WAR MODE - Nick Bryant

Episode Date: April 17, 2022

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Larry King Larry King was the fastest rising black star in the entire Republican Party of the United States during all of the 1980s and he was also one of the most evil individuals in this country in terms of being a dealer of children, a thief, 40 million that they documented he stole, and in terms of using and compromising and corrupting, one after another politicians. Thank you. This is especially an exciting day for me. Alan Bear was a shit fuck.

Larry King was the same time a shit. the way King was more violent. Oh, you know, what did me do shit on him. You know, I mean, I even said to him, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, cared for glad, but, you know, I mean, you know, I even said to him, you know, you stupid fucker. But the FBI's inquiries were secret and evidence of King's sex ring was quickly covered up. Welcome to warmode. The FBI, all-enforcement treated the victims. They treated the allegations they made about them into offenders. The media started discrediting the witnesses.

They treated the allegations they made about people who abused me almost like a joke. The witnesses came across in the media in the Omaha World Herald as the criminals. You do not want to have an investigation of the Franklin Public Committee. And I said, well, why not? It will reach to the highest levels of the Republican Party. This operation, which was, again, quite large, claimed to have clients that ran from the White House to the Capitol Hill to the State House to the churches and it's within the media. King's partner in sex crime was powerful Washington lobbyist Craig Spence.

He took youngsters like Bernassi on midnight tours of the White House. Didn't care, no one in sex, nasty. Who, who can control about three or four key elements. You can totally own a state, you can make right, wrong, and make truth, false a truth. If you control the media, if you control the justice department, you control the police, you own the system. Jerry got the media, if you control the justice department, you control the police, you own the system.

Gary got the fear. It was one piece of evidence I know he got. It was like addresses, telephone numbers, names. He even said he got one step ahead of him this time. He said if they, if they knew you had it, they'd kill him. I thought I was gonna like come out with something funny or cool to say, but pretty much just us. Yeah. Find ourselves in New York City.

We're lucky enough to interview Nick Bryant, author, sophisticated, whatever you want to call it. Overall, decent dude. So here we are with Nick. Nick, thanks for joining us. I'm really glad to be with War Mode. I've been dreaming about coming on War Mode for years. Yeah, yeah. This is the highest IQ podcast. We're probably gonna do for the rest of our lives.

Well, what do you want to talk about, Franklin Scandal, Confessions of a DC Madam? Whatever you want to go with first. It's up to you. Well, Franklin Scandal was what got everything started with me going down this very dark road. I came across, I was pitching stories to a Rolling Stone editor and he said, pitch me really dark stories. And I just kind of threw my arms up. I said, do you want an article on Nazis? Run article on Satanists? How dark do you want to go? And he said, Satanists.

So I started spalunking. And I met up with Satanists here and there and then, but when you write something you're always looking for other subject matter that's tangental. And what happened to me is I came across a cult called the Finders that was busted in Tallahassee, Florida. Two finders were busted in Tallahassee, Florida with six kids and it was a concerned citizen that said, you know, there's something very wrong with this picture. And the kids were taken into, they were taken into protective custody and then the finders were arraigned

on multiple counts of child abuse and according to the Tallahassee police report two of the kids had been sexually abused and I was reading this US customs report on the finders and then and then the US Customs executed a search warrant on the finders warehouse in Washington DC and they came across all kinds of crazy stuff including kids sacrificing a goat child pornography. They came across information about how the finders should go out and find babysitting jobs. Now was this the were these the kids they found the part that like people were like these are almost like feral kids. Yes, yeah, okay and

and tel has four and then the last page of the US.S. Customs Report says, the CIA has basically quashed this case. There'll be no further investigation. And I kind of pride myself on a guy that kind of knows how the world works. Yeah. And the CIA helps, you know, multinational corporations, take over countries that have socialist leaders, or, I mean,

the CIA goes to bat for, and all the sort of things that the CI does. But that took me by surprise. And why would the CIA go to bat and clash your investigation into a bunch of very, very strange people that are doing nefarious things to children? We weren't around, we were like adults around then. Is this the time of the satanic panic? Like is this the...

No, the satanic panic was more than 90s. And this was in 1987. So yeah yeah I guess this was just like the kickoff kind of like the McMartan thing like this is before all that okay. Yeah and that started my Odyssey into this dark realm and I was doing some internet surfing and I came across a story that was kind of like the Finder's where kids had supposedly been flown around the country and abused and there was blackmail involved and boys-town students were part of those kids and there was a big cover-up. And there was a book about it called The Franklin Cover-Up and I read the book and and then I

also watched Conspiracy of Silence documentary that was going to be shown by the Discovery Channel in the UK that had been quashed. And I knew that, I went to Nebraska thinking that something had happened. I kind of thought that it was probably a pedophile ring in Nebraska, with some affluent people. But when I got to Nebraska, I, the fear that I encountered was amazing.

It was like I was, it was like I was writing a expose on the KGB in Stalinist Russia. And, before you went there, like when you were, was this before you interviewed all the saint and stuff? No, I, I interviewed the Satanists and then... Were they talking about anything like this or was this a whole different world when you were... This was a completely different world. Now, the Satanists that I talked to, some of them were, you know, intelligent and some of them were kind of super. One guy even threatened me, I don't know. I try to get loud with you.

He said I was... They got the big man on their side. Yeah. He said that I was messing with dark forces. Yeah. I mean, you got... I can't watch scary movies. Let alone interview a fucking Satanist.

So if that guy told me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me that I I I that I that I that I told me that I would go home and be afraid that I fucked with dark forces. He struck me as a very marginal individual, and I'm six foreign. Right on. And I'm not bragging. Yeah. Yeah. You got God on his side.

I wasn't really worried about him. But in Nebraska, there was this palpable fear that I encountered. Through the citizens of like the area? People that had been involved in the Franklin scandal. And I talked to a state senator who had been involved in the subcommittee, a subcommittee, and in the subcommittee, the Senate, the Nebraska Senate formed a subcommittee. To investigate the Franklin Senate was called the Nebraska Senate formed a subcommittee to investigate the Franklin Senate was called the Franklin Committee.

And I talked to a senator and he was very frightened. And he had had a pretty heavy duty life. I talked to someone very high in social services. They were the first ones try to blow the lid open on this. And she was just terrified. And then I talked to one of the victims, and then I talked to one of the blackmail photographers. And I also managed to garner a lot of documentation on the first trip. I was there about two or three weeks.

And when you bring it up to like someone, like someone like that, two or three weeks. And like when you bring it up to like someone like that senator for instance and you start asking those questions like does this guy just tell you to shut up or does he just completely change the subject or like what's the what's that guy acting like when you're starting to ask him about the Franklin scandal? Well, I mean they look to the left and they look to the right. and then then they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they try try try try try try try try try tell. tell. tho. th. th. tho. th. th. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. the. the. the. the. to. the. the. to. they're the. the. the.to the right. Yeah. And then they talk, but they're very, very difficult to open up. Yeah. And they also are adamant that it's off the record. Right.

I talked to a lot of people off the record. Right. And by the time I left, when I was in Nebraska, I was being followed. Really? Which I caught someone following me and then on my... You gotta read the fan scandal dude because the balls on him. Like when you're driving down that one street and then you see the car and you're like all bugging out all paranoid like I'm there with you man. Like dude he goes into a shitty neighborhood and just starts calling some dude out by a street

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Like a serious one from like a real person? want one of those. I was, okay, I was staying with an old friend of mine who lived in Omaha and when I told him why I was going to Omaha, you know, he kind of questioned my sanity, but by the time I left he was completely down with it. He started getting phone calls from the Nebraska State Patrol. I didn't, this was 2002 I didn't, I didn't even have a cell phone at that point. And, but he started getting calls from that, I, I, I, I, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he th, he th, he th, he th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, he kind thi, he kind thi, this was 2002, I didn't even have a cell phone at that point. And, but he started getting calls from that. And then I caught, nailed someone following me. And then my last night, I was waiting for him to come home from work.

We're gonna cook something. And this woman, this freaky looking woman was knocking on the door. And at this time I was pretty spooked. I really was. You know, I was really, I was really, at this point, I didn't know what she was up to. I didn't want her fingerprints in my friend's apartment. I didn't, and she wanted to give me a book and I didn't want my fingerprints on her book. So I mean, that's high level of like thinking people are out to get you if you're thinking that far into something. Exactly, yeah.

But I was inundated by terror. So, I mean, and the thing that I think was really that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's ifying was just how people would react when. And like how was it a humongous story when it broke like when that BBC movie came out and the book came out like everyone in that area knew like that's Boys Town and that's what went down there was it kind of pushed under the rug? Well it was pushed under the rug because of two very corrupt grand juries. Yeah, which we can talk about a little later and then Alicia Owen's conviction. But yeah, it was frightening and then my buddy came back from work he had a bag of groceries and I'd gotten the woman to leave

and my buddy were in his spot he walked right through her, or walked right by her in the lobby of the apartment building. And she was freaky looking and he came in and I said, man, did you see that woman? He goes, yeah, she was really freaky looking. And then I just continued to watch the History Channel, I think it was, and he started making dinner. And then she came back and started knocking on the History Channel I think it was, and he started making dinner and then she came back and started knocking on the door and my buddy and I huddled right and he looked at her, I looked at her,

and we huddled and... Is this lady coherent at all or is it like fucking like crazy babble? Um, um... I don't know what exactly was going on in her head. I do not know. But when she said you're in a great deal of danger and they're going to kill you. There's the... Yeah. That kind of makes you... You get the feeling when you're reading the book that there's like a slow role of paranoia. Yeah. You know what I mean? And after that my friend didn't have any doubts about

you know. He didn't question my sanity. So that was my first time there and when I left the next day my grandma lives in Minneapolis, I'm from Minneapolis and I drove from Nebraska to Minneapolis and I drove from Nebraska and and it was really foggy and I was really Nebraska and Minneapolis and it was really foggy. And I was really freaked out. And then when I got back to New York, I had a mentor who was a journalist for many years. He was retired at this point and really good guy. And we were walking around Washington Square Park. You know I was looking for snipers on the roof.

My buddy was just trying to you know show me out and he said to me and he was I love this guy he's since passed away but he said and you know he was a journalist that had pursued some you you know, fairly heavy, heavy stuff. And you know, he said to me, we sat down, he said, you know, if you decide to pull the plug on this, you know, I won't lose any respect for you. Do you think there was anybody else that did that? What's that? That started down this road and turned to the writer? Oh, absolutely. Like other journalists or writers? Yeah, a bunch of people had. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. there there there there there there there there there there there there thi. there was there was there was there there there there there thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. It thi. It is thi. It is thi. It was thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a the is a the is a the is a thee is theeeeeeeeeeeee is thi. It was thi. It yeah. A bunch of people had gone to the camps office and looked at stuff. And you take some heat. Yeah, you like the heat. And most people are going to fold. Yeah. Yeah. With heat. But I kind of felt, you know, this thing was so evil. Yeah.

Yeah. These kids being molested and this being covered up and then I would ultimately realize why it's all getting covered up. I just thought it was so evil to that I just had to do this. Yeah. I got to say man I liked your book because for the main reason that the one thing with the kids getting sexually abused, what happens is they internalize it and they internalize that shame, you know what I mean? And then on the outside world, you have the Omaha News Herald and all this stuff, and they're like blaming them. Like they're the victims, but now they're getting blamed as like these perjurers and stuff. And it's like, you don't get that, in that, in that, in that, in that, in that, in that, in that, in that, in the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.e, thii.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. their, their, the victims, but now they're getting blamed as like these perjurers and stuff. And it's like, you don't get that.

In most books, it's like, oh, here's the perpetrators. It's like, well, this is about these kids and their perjury trials and all this other stuff they had to go through. You know what I mean? It's really messed up because they're feeling the thea. Children's issues. Um, I, before this, I'd written a book on lower socioeconomic children in America, and then I'd written a number of journal articles on lower socioeconomic children. So I'm very sensitive to children's issues. And for me to see that these kids have been trafficked and had been covered up by the

government was anathemat to me. Yeah. Just anathema. And I felt I had to do something. And if, you know, I've never been suicidal, but, you know, if some negative fate fell me, I was cool with that. Right. Yeah. as. You'll get, you'll get, you'll die on that. that. the the the kids. the, you'll, you know, you'll get, you'll, you. the, you. the, you. the the, you. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the kids. the kids. the kids. the kids. the kids. the kids. the kids. the kids. the kids. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. th. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. me, I was cool with that. Right. As long as... You'll die on that hill. Yes. Yeah. And I... So I didn't...

I mean, don't get me wrong. There was fear. Yeah. You know, there was a lot of fear. You're a warrior, dude. Well, courage is taking action in the face of fear. It's, I mean, having courage implies that you have fear. And especially for defenseless kids that are like getting shattered constantly.

It's like, it's brutal stuff. Yeah, it's like, people want to just shut it out. Like, ah, it doesn't happen, you're nuts. I get fired up because here's these elites that have had They've reached well whatever you want to call it. I mean who knows what their real life is their real life, but they've reached these like, you know high points in life where they're powerful and everything and then the potential of that kid is stolen. Whatever that kid was gonna be is now you just killed it. Yeah, you might the friend. And dude, you're the the the the the the the the the the the th. You're the th. You're the the th. You're th. You're th. You're the the th. th. You're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who the. Who the. Who the. Who the. Who the. Who the. Who the. Who the. the. Who the. Who the. Who the. Who th. Who th. are resilient, man. Like, it's pretty crazy. Paul Bonacci's got a wife and kids. He's got multiple personalities. Anyway, sorry. I mean, but a lot of these kids weren't that fortunate.

Yeah, right. A lot of those kids are dead. Yeah, yeah. It's because that network, these kids came from dysfunctional, lower socioeconomic backgrounds, for the most part. Yeah. And like with Nikolai Kamen who I talk about in the book. Nikolai was, his mother was schizophrenic and he had been to foster homes where he'd been molested probably at certain about the age of six and then he ended up at Boys Town at the age of 11.

And then Lawrence King, who was one of the pedophilic pimps in the Franklin Network, started flying him around when he was 11. And pandering him to very sadistic pedophiles. And the Epstein girls, some of them were pantered to very sadistic menophiles. And Nikolai reached a point. He had, I believe he was 14 and he said to his, the people that oversaw him at Boys Town. I said I can't go on these trips anymore. Someone who'd been very sadistic to him. And he said I just can't go on these trips anymore. Someone who'd been very sadistic to him. And he said, I just can't

go on these trips anymore. So Boys Town, the icon of love for... Yeah, there's no such thing as a bad boy. The icon of love for neglected children, put him on a plane that flew him to Atlanta. Yeah. And then he was deposited in a psych board. And when he originally told me that, I had a hard time believing it, I really did. But then... I mean, that in and of itself is so satanic.

The inversion of boys down like that is insane. Yeah. But I... Over the course of my investigation, which was seven years into this, I came across a couple of feds who helped me and they corroborated. Whitehats? Oh yeah, I like hearing about the good guys. Because when you go down these rabbit holes, like everything's fucked. Like you can't win, every person high up in the government is like somewhat blackmailed if they get to that point. It's kind of hopeless feeling. Well, it took to took took to to took to took to took took took th took th th th took th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi their thi their thi their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to thi toeeee thi toee thi thi thi toee thi thi thi thi thi thi thi is somewhat blackmailed if they get to that point. It's kind of hopeless feeling.

It took me two years to cultivate their trust. And I had some information that they needed. And they had some information that I needed. Right. And I really respect them because they were putting their careers online, in the very least. I mean, their house payments, their car payments, their children's college payments, or the children's college fund. And they helped me with stuff like that,

with dates regarding Nikolai. So I could put him in the book. Okay. And without, without their corroboration on Nikolai, I never could, I never would have used him in the story. And he's such a, it's amazing. That kid, like some other ones that I've met, had the worst childhood anyone can can imagine I mean before boys town And during boys okay

This whole childhood was no yeah, I mean his whole childhood was One protracted nightmare, but he's really a sweet guy right now. I mean he you know I see actually I just talked to him a couple days ago and and he turned out. I don't know how that happens, but he turned out to be a real resilient then. Yeah, I mean? I mean, I see? I the th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th. th. th. I th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I the the the the the the the the th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th. th. th. th. th. th th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the that the the the the that the that the the the that th't know how that happens, but he turned out to be- People were just resilient, then. Yeah, I mean, humans are very resilient, but most kids that went through what he, I mean, he's even a productive member of society, he's got like a full-time job. Jesus. Yeah. Most kids that went through what he went through, there was a Boys Town

student named Rue Fox who was the Nebraska State Investigator Gary Carradori he had a leads list and it had 60 victims on it. So it was my job to find these victims and I found Roo Fox and he had had the same kind of childhood that Nikolai had molested in foster care homes and he had been viciously molested by Larry King well he was that boy. Larry King seems like a bastard. Yeah yeah well he's he's he's pure evil. Yeah. They're shit in the book where they're wearing like black robes and stuff. So with King, after King molested him, he needed like 12 stitches. Jesus. Yeah.

So with Rue, he did 10 years for armed robbery. And I eventually found him. He was hard to find. I hired a, I'm really good at finding people, but for him I hired a private investigator. Okay. How long it take you to find him? With Rue, off and on for like three years. I mean I wasn't dedicated like eight hours a day to find Roo but if I you know had some extra time there'd just be people I'd look for. So that's how you did this you got Gary Caladori's leads list. Okay I got you. And it gave me as I said 60 victims and when I found Roo the, I called him up and I said, I'm a journalist, I'm looking into possible things

that might have happened to you at Boys Town. And he goes, are you a cop? And I go, no, I'm not a cop. And he said, are you a cop? And he said, I'll meet with you, but if you're a cop, I'm going to snap your neck. Yeah, right. So I met with him in this really dive bar. I ordered a cranberry juice, which didn't even taste right to me. Yeah. And then Rue came in with two buddies. And Rue was, he was in prison for 10 years and he lifted a lot of weights. He's like a pit bull in human form. And then he had a couple buddies with him and it goes, you come back here.

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This impenetrable armor, because of... Yeah, like a little mec suit he built. Yeah. A little 12-year-old in there. And just to see him break down and cry, and I tried to stay in touch her through. I helped him get into a rehab. But he split, and I've never been able to keep contact with him after that. Yeah, the crazy thing is like, so this all this goes down, and all this goes down, how many years did it go on do you think?

Were they before the, before the, um, Franklin scandal financial thing broke? Before the credit union broke? Yeah. I think that that pedophile network was probably around for 12 years. Holy shit, dude. I mean, Epstein's pedophile network was around for more than 25 years. I remember the Epstein thing on VH1. VH1 did that like a montage about this rich billionaire named Jeffrey Epstein and all his planes and his islands and stuff. So the Franklin network had a lot more kids. They were getting a lot of kids from Boys Town.

Yeah, they had a source. And other institutions. And then you teach these kids how to scavenge, and like any runaway that's fallen through the cracks, I mean, it's gonna be assimilated by it. Yeah, yeah. But the thing about Boys Town is, they teach the kids to talk like white people. I mean, that's, yeah, right.

Yeah, and they teach them deference, they teach them respect, because you cannot take a pluck, you know, a 14-year-old off the streets who's feral and put them in a room with politicians. A senator. Yeah, right. Or someone in the cabinet. They have to be taught deference and respect and Boistown conditioned them. Okay. So Boystown was a good place the the the the the the the the the tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha their tha tha their their their their their their their their their sa their respect respect respect respect respect their respect. their respect their respect respect respect their respect respect respect respect respect respect their their their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're tha te te. te. te. te. tea tea tea tea tea tea tea tea.a tea. tea tea tea te. deference and respect and Boystown conditioned them. Okay. So Boystown was a good place and then you and then there's other kids that you can get that you can teach that too and then there's other kids that just have a really bad time. Yeah the kid that the kid that spent time in the psych ward said Boystown wasn't that like it was bad But it was better than being in the psych ward right that was that was a Nikolai

Nikolai yeah, and but he was in a psych ward for two years Yeah, it's fucked up dude. I mean out of point he told me that, you know, even the people in the side war didn't even know why he's in the side ward. Yeah, yeah. And then it's, and Roo ended up in a psychiatric hospital after King molested him. And that's so nefarious because you're putting these kids in mental institutions because you're fucking them up to compromise their credibility. Yeah.

And they get them on drugs? Yeah, and if the kid comes out and says, you know, I was molested by this guy, well, you know, he's in a psych ward. So that's very, very nefarious. And, but that's, that's how it worked and it took three grand juries to cover that pedophon network up and it produced that pedophol and that put a phone that produced a lot of child pornography too. Oh really? So I'm always like baffled by the amounts like when they bust them with the amounts these

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they're expunged by the network and basically what you have is a, for the most part, a drug addict. Yeah. That is really screwed up because they had a dysfunctional childhood and they've been molested repeatedly. And they're going to end up in jail like, like David Hill and Tony Harris and some of those other kids I interviewed. How did it, how did it, like, did it start in Boys Town? Like what, do you know what, like, like, what kicked it off or like how it all started th th th th th that is all that is all th th that is all th that is all th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that is really, that is really, that is really, that is really, that is really, that is really that is really th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is, is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really is really, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that is all that is really that is really that is really that is really that to My fears are every now. Who knows what? My fears it's every now? Who knows what?

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come from? Well, you know, it's kind of like how drug addicts can just find each other. Yeah. I mean, pedophiles can find each other. And I think King, okay, two guys ran that pedophile that word. Larry King and Craig Spence, not the announcer Larry King, we're talking in a different Larry King, and Craig Spence. And both of them were in Southeast Asia at the same time. Really? Spence was a ABC reporter, and King was in the Air Force with a top security clearance. And my surmise on this, which is my surmise, I don't know whether or not I'm right, is that

they were molesting, probably molesting little boys in Southeast Asia and then they got turned by the CIA, the CIA, or some dark malignant corner of our intelligence that does this type of stuff, said, you can come to work for us and you can molest children and we'll pay you good too. Because when King came back to Omaha and Spence went to, um, came back to Washington, D.C., their careers just skyrocketed. Yeah. And I think that that was, I think the reason behind that was,

they were probably getting a boost from intelligence. And what was the name of the bank? What was it called? The Franklin Federal Credit Union. And is that how he like paid for all of his stuff, like through the credit union? Like how was he getting the funds to do all, like get it started or whatever, just from the CIA or whoever was running? Well, the Franklin Credit Union, one of the, uh, it was supposed to be a credit union for lower socioeconomic people in Omaha.

And he got an infusion of money from Warren Buffett's wife. Interesting. And then he just, and then he was hawking CDs at really low interest rates. And then- It was a Ponzi scheme. Right., it was a Ponzi scheme right and They would get new CDs to pay off the maturing CDs. Yes And he was

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to them and say that they were trafficked and they in Social Services believed these girls and they went to both state and federal law enforcement and told them we, we think that we have that that we have, we thin, we thin, we th th th th th th th th th th. th. th th th. th they went to both state and federal law enforcement and told them, we think that we have a pedophon network in in Omaha. And the feds in the state just completely ignored them. They did absolutely nothing. That's wild. So when King came up 40 million dollars short, a number of the senators thought, there's no way that he can, why hasn't he been audited for yourself? It's really wrong here.

So they formed the Franklin Committee and it was initially just for King's financial malfeasance. But as soon as they formed that committee, the social service people came to them, the social service personnel and said, King is a thief, but he's also running a child trafficking network, an interstate child trafficking network. So then the committee started digging into that too. The guy was so wild, like in the one book, in the other book, you talk about how him him him him him him him him, the the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, the social, into that too. The guy was so wild. In the one book, in the other book, you talk about how him and Craig Spence were like wild

narcissists and like Craig Spence is dressing like Edwardian dandy and like they're doing coke out of Goldspoons and stuff. So like Larry Kingpright thought he was untouchable. Well they both were untouchable. Yeah. They're untouchable until they're not in touchable. Epstein thought he was untouchable. Dude, Craig Spence had secret service bodyguards 24-7. Is that the guy that you guys were talking about in the Opperman report? Um, yeah, probably.

Perhaps, yeah, Craig Spence was, he lived in Washington, D.C. and he was the other manager. Yeah, I have a better word of thisthis pedophile. It was King and Spence. And Spence had a mansion in Washington, D.C. that was wired for audiovisual blackmail. And he was a CIA asset. And a lot of the parties went down in DC and his house. And they would generally start out like as straight political parties, where you'd have politicians and journalists and power brokers, etc. And then like at 10 o'clock or 1030 or something, something inappropriate would happen.

I got a quick question for it. I've been reading the books and everything. I painted this guy's house in Philly like super rich rich dude, and I was like, what do you do? And he's like, I'm a power broker. What is that? Powerbroker is a guy who has lots of juice and can get things done. Like, I walked in, he had a Chuck Close painting on his wall. It's like weird flex, okay, okay, what is it's just the most vague idea, like the most vague word for a job. Well it fits a lot of people and Spence would have these parties and then as I said at 10 or 1030 something

somebody'd fire up a joint someone break out a lot of cocaine or something essentially inappropriate what happened and then and then it would slowly become an or thii. And if you stuck around you'd be compromised. And then it would slowly become an orgy. And if you stuck around, you'd be compromised. Right. I don't even know how people would drink at these things. Because I feel like you get, if you're drinking and you're at this and you get too drunk, you're done.

You're just getting blackened. You're done if you're in the room, I would assume, you know what I mean? Well, you're getting plied with alcohol, which is going to lower your inhibitions. And that's what people like Craig Spencer accounting on. So they can get you to the next level where they can get you on videotape and then blackmailing. Because if you get, if you're a politician and you're molesting underage victims, and someone has footage of that, you're you're done. You're done, you're don. Yeah. But in a lot of cases, people that are compromised, it really helps their careers. It goes either way, right? Like you can, once you're compromised, then they're like, all right, we own him. Yeah, I've known politicians that are compromised

that just keep going up the ladder. Right. I mean, Dennis Hastert is right. Yeah, exactly. He was a, his, he had been molesting the little boys for four years, and he ended up being like, wasn't one of the guys and confessions of a DC madam, like a super Republican anti-gay marriage guy. And then he ended up being like heavily. Well, that was Larry Craig.

Larry Craig, yeah. And he was a very conservative guy from Idaho. And he had actually been in Washington, D.C. for 25 years, first as a federal representative and then as a senator. And Henry Vincent, who ran the escort service, we wrote a book together called Confessions of a DC Madam, the politics of sex lies and blackmail. And Henry Vincent was giving him escorts or providing him with escorts. And then at Kirby Dick, he's a renowned documentary maker. He made a documentary called Outrage.

That looked specifically at Craig, and Craig was getting prostitutes from people other, male prostitutes from people other than Henry Vincent. Yes, he was thirsty. So he was getting a lot of male prostitutes. And he had the worst, or close to the worst voting on gay rights of any senator. And what ultimately happened to him, I think he left his protective net because he got busted trying to pick up a vice squad in an airport bathroom in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Right, right, right. The old foot tap. And, and... Cruising. And, but here's a US senator trying to pick someone, to thi to thi to anytry and to any to to any to to any to to to any any to any to any to to any any any to any to any to to any any to any to any to any any to to any any any to any any any any any any to any any any any any any any any any, and any, and any, and any, and any, and any, and any, and any, and any, and any any any any to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi to thi thi thi the the thi the the the their their their their the the, their their the, their thi The old foot tap, you know.

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were like this and I you know you know you get the idea like oh it's a couple of bad apples but now I'm like I don't it was explained to me, Rusty Nelson, he was one of the blackmail photographers for the Franklin scandal. He explained it to me this way. It's like you're on a yacht. If you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht, a beautiful yacht, on a beautiful day, and you can have anything you want. But if you decide to get off the yacht, then the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown. So there's zero incentive to get off the yacht. And I don't know why Dennis Hastert was taken down, but he was the speaker of the house for seven years, which makes him constitutionally the third most powerful man in the country. Yeah, it goes to the top. And he was a pedophile. And he was one the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. the the th. th. th. the the th. th. the th. the the th. th. th. thi. Uh, the th. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th main drives behind that war, that crazy war that we went to in Iraq. And, uh, he was, he was a strong arm politician.

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three years ago and that never happened. So another April comes by and it's all I didn't tell. Now you know, see, ten and pedophiles are real. Yeah. Yeah, that was like the whole thing like once I start looking into all them that like the hazards the pedestal there are collections like these people like they don't care who sees what they're doing. Well do you think that the government or like whatever you want to call like the power the establishment look at this as a necessary evil these pedophile rings because it's like why I don't

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was too important to be left to politicians. So they started making their own funding mechanisms. And I think that the blackmail became part of that too. And then if you look at the mind control experiments, they were absolutely brutal and sadistic to a lot of people. So we're talking about an organization and I'm sure that there are very, that there are good people that work for the CIA, but there's a very dark corner of it that is very nefarious and evil. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I just like, I try not to get too bummed out

about it. It's horrific when you're reading the Franklin Scannone. You read it. The cool thing that the stuff that I love in your book is there's a chapter in the Confessions of a DC Madam called the Mighty Warletter and you start talking about mockingbird media. I love that stuff. You know what I mean? Like how they just go, like I want to read that book half in the great now that's in there. Like if you could talk about that stuff, I'd be bumped. Well, in addition to the CIA thinking that they had to start their own funding mechanisms and blackmail people, they also felt that they needed to act, they needed a conduit to the media. They need to be able to manipulate the media. And that was called Operation Mockingbird. And the first publication that was infiltrated was the Washington Post. And the Washington

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Have you ever talked to Doug's Valentine from the Phoenix program? Yes. You should get him on your podcast. I will. Yeah, he's a good one. He's a good guy. Yeah. But that's why there was so much malfeasance in Nebraska is because of these blackmail parties that were going on in Nebraska. If the dominoes started to fall in Nebraska, they would have fallen all the way to Washington, D.C. So when you're out there in your seven-year journey or whatever, when did you realize that? Like because they knew day one, you're, you're sniffing the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their fausanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceanceance. the way to Washington, D.C. So when you're out there in your seven-year journey or whatever, when did you realize that? Like, because they knew day one. They're sniffing around. They know the dominoes go to D.C. But like, when did you sit there and go like, oh my God?

There must have been a moment where you're like, this goes to the top. It was my first bigger and malignant than I ever could have imagined. And that's what really got me, I mean, being followed and getting a death threat, I mean, gives you pause for sure. Yeah. But realizing that this is part of our government was devastating to me. I mean what they did to Henry Vinson was devastating. The financial stuff with his mom and all that. Yes. Like that's their real weapons on normal folks. Well look what they did to Alicia Owens. So there were two very corrupt grand juries. And there was a very corrupt grand jury in Washington. It took three corrupt grand juries those are very corrupt grand jury in Washington.

It took three corrupt grand juries to cover up that Franklin network and many of your listeners probably don't know about the machinations of a grand jury but with a grand jury a single individual is chosen and he's a special prosecutor and he determines evidence that has shown to the grand jurors and witnesses that are called. And grand jurors are just people that have shown up for a grand jury duty and been funneled into a grand jury. So. There's nothing special.

Well, it's when someone's not even as fair as a regular trial. When someone thinks of a grand jury, they think like the gods of jurisprudence have spoken and, you know, thrown down a lightning bolt. But actually, grand juries are infamous for being corrupted, and there was a New York judge that said a special prosecutor has so much power over a grand jury that they could get, the grand jury that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. That's a famous line was Epstein grand jury? Yeah, they the grand jury found that Epstein had Melissa the single child. Yeah, okay. The two grand juries in dudes getting three hand jobs a day. Yeah, okay. Okay, bud

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local media. And it's a hoax. The total media, the media is completely usurped on this. Well, one of the pedophiles was the publisher of the media is completely usurped on this well one of the pedophiles was the publisher of the Omaha World Herald. Yeah which is which I'm Spurgan man I'm most likely this is amazing I'm actually talking this dude anyway go on whatever so that grant those two grand juries found that none of the perpetrators were guilty and that the guilty parties were the kids that would't recant their abuse. And Alicia got indicted for eight counts by a federal grand jury. So Alicia Owen was looking

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So Alicia had this kangaroo court that convicted her of perjury and she was sentenced to between nine and 15 years for perjury and she was throwing in solitary confinement for two years. We're talking a kid that's 21 years old. These are unheard of sentences for perjury. The authorities really wanted to destroy her. That's why she was in solitary for two years. And that's the amazing thing about Alicia. She's got a lot of friends. She's gainfully employed. How long was she in prison?

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And the mainstream media. What happens after the grand juries, like, after she gets sentenced, like what happens? Well, there's the grand juries that indict her, and then she goes to trial. Right. So she was facing two trials, a state trial and a federal trial. Yeah. The reason why... taxpayer money, funny. Well the reason why she had to be found guilty was to sanctify those grand juries that said there was no child abuse. So she had to be found guilty and was done in her trial when you read the Franklin Scannotn. the the thenenenenenenen ccala then then then then th. th. thin th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. trial, when you read the Franklin scandal, was so

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outside world, they're going to have a 48-hour special, and it's going to be about pedophilia. Whatever you do, don't watch it. And the jurors are like, Dan rather whatever he's out there I tell me the CIA is tied in with the media and this is happening on the same day on CBS Yeah on CBS the same day that and it was talking about how Alicia was a liar And they're called me a lunatic for this and it's like just a coincidence guys that they're gonna to have a special on the day that the jury is deliberating on Alicia and they're like, don't turn that channel on guys. And it was Robert Wadman, one of her perpetrators, and he was talking about how ghastly it was to be accused of such a heinous crime. Stack of mother fucker, anyway, whatever.

And what's kind of interesting is Alicia was watching this in jail, and there was a prostitute that was next to her and she said you really pissed somebody off. Oh yeah. Holy shit. Yeah Robert Wilming was a cop. He was actually the chief of the Omaha Police Department. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah there be in bad in Omaha dude. Got a good one. Yeah, take a break. It was. The rest of this is on patron if you want to listen to it. You know, you know the deal. If you just Vinmo, you mean a dollar. Just a buck. If you send a hundred bucks, I'll remember your name and write it down and it's

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