Watch What Crappens - #120: Who You Gonna Call? Ghostwriters!

Episode Date: March 27, 2014

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all the time. It's just one of those days when I'm just lovely and plucky. Sorry, I can't sing well today because I am getting over a cold. As if I weren't getting over the cold, you'd be hearing freaking, you know,

I don't know, Nathan Lane over here. The blind guy. You'd be hearing that blind guy who sings really pretty Italian songs. I normally sound like Andrea Bocelli, but when I have a cold, I just sound like an old cast member from MASH.

You don't sound like you are worth spending time in my husband's living rooms. Maybe I need to go on to a master cleanse. If you come over for a buffet, we will put you in the basement until it's time to sing, and then we will kick you out! I haven't...

I cannot believe that Lisa has not called me during all this time when I've had a cold. Not once. Are you my Hollywood friend? Are you my real friend or my Hollywood friend? Gigi called me. For the new code to the Wells Fargo account. Please, we use Dutch national account.

We don't have ATM cards. We just have blocks of cheese. It is still a horse and a wagon but it does not depict the past the vault is made of wooden shoes and it's in the middle of a dike we're turning into the good wife now and like finishing our opening 30 minutes into the show that's okay sometimes i like your opening more than the show itself like uh what was it like two weeks ago when katie was on and we talked about richard marks for 10 minutes you did i don't even i didn't even know who he was remember oh yeah sorry people that's my that's my i will apologize for that for talking about richard marks for 10 minutes

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Let's visit. So you want to go over some gossip first, Benjamina? Yeah, you know, let's go into the big gossip of the week. One thing that happened is that Lady Gaga released a new video, which is notable because several of the Real Housewives were in it. Did you see it? Well, I started playing it, but it starts out with all these men fighting over money,

and then they run away, and then lady gaga is dressed as a bird and she's in a grave and she's been shot with an arrow yeah she's like crawling out and she's being all dramatic and i was like birds men with money and then i looked to see how long the video was and it was like 11 minutes or something yeah and i was like t T-L-D-R bye-bye yeah, it's not it's not one of her greatest videos it felt very disjointed, but I'm not here really to review the video, I'm here to talk about the housewives in it, so

most of the Beverly Hills housewives were in it Brandy and Joyce were not in it according to the gossip rags, Brandy had a prior engagement, she was like on a different coast to do some book signing which, I't know i don't know if i totally believe that because i think that brandy would have dropped everything to be part of a lady gaga music video um and then joyce wasn't in it and because she said she didn't want to be a part of it which seems also a little crazy

um how dare you joyce was very busy working on the netherlands very busy working on the next episode of Siberia. She was working on the next Miss Universe of the Planet Solar System Galaxy. Siberia adjacent. Yeah, she said she was working on her charity or some shit. Yeah, she was working on her charity to make people skinnier. So anyway, Lisa and Kyle looked excellent. So, anyway, Lisa and Kyle looked excellent. Actually, no, they all looked really good in the video.

And Yolanda looked great. I mean, she is a former model. But Lisa and Kyle looked really good and in one scene, they were sort of enlisted to be kind of these secret agent types in black latex and they were marching through an office with Lady Gaga,

and honestly, they looked hot. And Lisa looked great, but Kyle actually looked fantastic. I mean, in that look... Yeah, Kyle looks really good in the previews. You know, that's... And what we've always said is the best look on Kyle is the total bitch face. It really is! Personality-wise

too, you know? Beating the crap out of each other. Beating the crap out of each other beating the crap out of people yeah that's how i like that's that's when kyle is at her best and in the lady gaga video and one of the scenes she's just like what they're they're all just like wearing pink or whatever but in this other scene her hair is wearing this like black leather thing as opposed to a big poofy green thing that's too long for her and she she looked awesome she really did um yeah i saw pictures of but i didn't make that far in the actual viewing well that's okay also uh andy cohen is in the video and he plays zeus and he's like shirtless but you only see it from like neck up and he appears in the sky and a few like quick shots it's like so random it makes no

sense and honestly it was like it was sort of weird having the housewives there. But having Andy Cohen there just made the whole thing feel like a stupid version of one of the Bravo summer promos. You know? It's like God by Bravo. Yeah. I thought that that was a joke because I saw a screenshot with him kind of as God. And it wasn't a joke. So, wow.

Yeah, it's strange. Poor Lady Gaga. She is not the star she once was, I suppose. But she's got a hot boyfriend. She does? Who's she dating? Some dude off of Chicago Fire. He's real hot.

How is that show even still on? I can't even watch that show the the previews are stupid for that show i know well you know i hate the nbc announcer you know that's every nbc drama i never want to watch because the announcer because he's so serious he's like really oh yeah that guy you know i'm talking about i don't watch commercials because i've moved to all internet viewing so no actually i don't he's awful he's always like it's it's not even like a classic like voiceover where it's like it's an episode you can't miss it's like there's like this weird familiar familiarity or something like that where he'll be like jesse's in the fire or something like that like who's jesse you know it's like and i i can't describe it all i can say is that it's like overly serious and it makes me never want to watch any

nbc dramas this fall on nbc but they don't do it like that he doesn't do it like this fall on like the classic promo style he's just like he's like the fire is coming i don't know these are this is i'm pulling these examples out of my ass i have to i'll listen to a promo and next week i'll come back with better examples it's really hot the fire is coming it's fire and you know but nbc always has the most serious promos like even for their sitcoms they every sitcom they put in slow motion and then they have they're like with friends like these you don't need anything else. And it's like, no, it's a sitcom. Make it funny. Make it a funny promo. Well, I wonder why they're doing so well. Oh, poor NBC.

You guys had cheers in the Cosby show and friends. So you win. You win forever. Yeah, well, and the voice and the blacklist are doing well. Anywho, other Bravo gossip. Is there any? Yes, I think there is. Well, there was a funny article posted on our Facebook

from Star Magazine that is all about Kristen. Yes! I love this. Seriously? Vanderpump Rules Drama. Vanderpump Rules Drama. Kristen Duarte's Drunken Meltdown. See the exclusive

pics. Is that how you say her name? Duarte? Duarte? I don't know. I'm making her fancy. I think you're giving her fancy syllables, and I don't think she deserves them. Well, actually, it is more fitting to pronounce it doubt, because you know that she's filled with it over everything. I call her dute. Like, what does that street sign mean? Seriously? Seriously? Can you pronounce my name correctly? Seriously?

How am I supposed to drive straight if you keep putting signs in the street with words on them you're not supposed to read while you're driving seriously seriously seriously i'm a distracted driver so this is all about how she was on a date with her bus boy who looks 10 years old old? I mean, Kristen's not, like, haggie yet, but, I mean, why would you date someone? Look, if you're about to enter 30, that's when you start feeling old. Like, everyone who's 30 is like,

oh, I'm getting so old! You know, even though that's stupid. Like, I'd kill to be 29 again, but you know that feeling. That's not the time to date someone younger. You want to date someone a little bit older so you look a little younger. Kristen is already looking like a crumpled paper bag so anyway she's standing next to this 10 year old irish kid who's busting tables like yeah at sir and um it just said she got really

mad at him at some bar because he was really drunk and flirting with her friends like hugging people yeah and she's like seriously seriously happy saint patricia top of the morning to you seriously cena tried to comfort her best friend but to no avail instead kristin turned to alcohol shots and marched over to tell james she was leaving hoping he would beg her to stay the witness explains he just pushed her away she threw a fit stumbling out of the bar red-faced and teary eyed mumbling seriously you know the thing is this it's not so much the story that's worth noting it's the pictures because there was someone at this bar at mixology 101 by the way which is a shitty place nice views but like shitty drinks um so someone was taking pictures of kristen secretly as she was having

this meltdown and so the real joy is watching these pictures and there's one great shot of her where you see her like mid you know seriously and it's it's just it makes me so happy it was like again an extra episode of vanderpump rules yeah and you see cena trying to calm her down and she's like seriously seriously seriously i love you these pictures are really funny someone just sitting behind them so the pictures are taken from really low so she looks just even worse worse you know that never works out she's like low angle seriously seriously kristen doubt yeah um oh and by the way you can find that on our facebook page if you want to see those pictures oh Oh, yeah.

Facebook.com slash Watch What Crappens. I forgot who posted it. Sorry. It's over here somewhere. But thanks for doing that because that was awesome. But anyway, last week, Kristen tweeted, you know, I really agree with Brandy on most of her points, but not all of them. And someone was like, that's really disgusting that you're talking about a woman who's employed you. And then Lisa replied, yes, truly disgusting.

That was funny. I like the idea that maybe Kristen has her own little news outlet. It's like Kristen News Nightly, where she sits at a little table with a piece of paper. She's like, today in Kristen News, Brandy said some things that i like really agree with seriously seriously in other news the weather's warm like are we ever gonna get non-warm weather seriously seriously seriously i only look like i have five chins because i'm dating a 10 year old seriously i like the idea of just having so much contact with waiters on twitter like you know you have bad service you can just find them on Twitter and be like, that was disgusting. Say anything to any waiter in the world.

Seriously? Celebrities. But you can talk to everybody now. I mean, you can go on Yelp if someone was rude to you in a store and be like, just because I'm Lebanese doesn't give you the right to follow me around the store. Here are the stars. Well, they thought you were a shot of Sunset. Well, it was a donut shop, to be fair. I'm so jealous.

I'm so immediately jealous. Have you been watching The People's Couch? I watched The People's Couch one time, and I thought it was super cute, but I haven't watched it since. Did you finally watch it? Yeah, I didn't watch all of it. I watched about two-thirds of it about two or three weeks ago.

No, actually, I'm sorry. It was like this week. The time goes by so slowly. So I watched it because people keep saying, you know what, it's actually a really funny show, blah, blah, blah. And I had seen in its first run, I was like, it's okay. I have to say i don't love it and again it's not coming from a place of jealousy that we weren't selected because

again i would much rather not be doing it rather than like forking over hours of my life for just like 200 after a month worth it man let's do it come on you're like this is good yeah but um i will say my real issue with it is that it feels very canned i actually when we were like when they were you know casting or whatever i went and looked at some of the episodes online from from england uh because that's where the show originated over over in big britain and it was like really funny because i felt like it was natural i felt like the people were just sitting there watching and having real reactions whereas i feel like with this one it feels sort of scripted you know or if they had a funny joke they made them say it again or do it over and especially you know those gay guys

were so nice to us on twitter but i don't think that they're like that funny i hate to say it um well they were making me laugh when I saw it, but I hadn't, you know, I only saw one episode, but it was the one where they were watching House of Cards, which I love, and they were showing a big plot point in that, which I won't say, because I

know everyone watches it at different times. But, I don't know, they were making, I don't know, it made me laugh. I know they're like very nice, and they have like sort of genial comments, but I don't know they were making i don't know it made me laugh like i know they're like very nice and you know they have like sort of genial comments but i don't know it wasn't like it was not it was not killing it for me and across the board there wasn't a huge amount that was too funny although i will say this i had the direct tv guy over uh when i was watching this because he was repairing something and he like would not do his repairs because he kept getting sucked into the show.

So I guess people like it. Yeah, I think maybe it would be more fun if it was, you know, real. Like if people were given the videos and they were just being recorded on their webcam or something. And so they would be real reaction videos instead of because the way they do it is they give them clips. They don't sit there and watch the whole show. So if they haven't seen the show, they're just making up reactions. They're like, oh, it's this one scene from House of Cards, which if you don't know House of Cards, who cares? It's not really a big deal to see something like that on TV.

Right. So some of them can't because they're just like, have a reaction. They can't watch 20 shows a week. I understand that. But there's also, again, there's still like, there is a joy of seeing a real reaction. And that does come through on the show sometimes. You do get that. And that's when the show is funny, is when you get the genuine surprise or like a genuine chortle.

But you get the sense that the producers egg them on to be like a little frenetic. They almost do like little skits where they're like, like, let's pretend to be so-and-so. And then they're like, they're dancing around the room all of a sudden. And it's like very, very like overly excitable. And whereas the British version, and I hate to be someone that's like, well, I like the British version better because in life, I actually tend to always like the American versions of shows more than the British ones. But the British ones, it feels so much more low-key. And that's what makes it funnier.

I really recommend that people look it up on YouTube. I feel like Brandy has manipulated you into saying bad things about British people. Oh, my God. You're so right. I'm like, the British version was just never there for me i i don't know i liked it but i haven't watched it again so what does that tell you it just i found that it was it was too mothering just mothering me all the time uh so kristen and the people's couch and what else um i don't think there's anything else that's worth there's really any right um as we move into let's start i guess with beverly hills sure let's why not we've been dancing around it for the past 45 minutes need to talk too much about beverly hills because let's face

it nothing new is happening on that show we've said the same things a zillion times so we don't have to talk about that much but i okay sorry i'm like i'm like already like jumping at the bit chomping a bit go ahead you chomp chomp chomp i'm i've got the chompers going i need to chomp the chomping is happening um i kim richards really pissed me off this episode she really did i mean she's been like really annoying this season and even last week she was annoying but this one it was just it really infuriated me, because I think there's a lot of talk about, you know, how Lisa didn't go to her thing, and yadda yadda yadda. And it was so annoying to me, especially when it got to this whole thing about, like, wanting to be friends, and she was saying how, like, thing about um like wanting to be friends and she was saying how like well you know lisa you know you like you would never like text me you would never do this i don't like i don't remember you

ever doing this and lisa said well i did text you when i heard that your your son broke his arm or whatever i did do this and she's like i don't remember i don't remember that at all meanwhile 10 minutes earlier kim proudly announces you know there were two years of my life i don't remember at all i'm like well okay two two things on that point first i think that there are a couple reasons because if you notice kim really started breaking down at that part like she wasn't just saying nah lisa she was saying you're a liar that never happened pointing her finger and calling her a liar over and over and freaking out, like starting to freak out. So what really happened was I Googled Kim's son and Chad Davis came up and the article, it's like the third article down. If you

really want to know what that was all about, basically Kim wasn't letting up on Lisa and Lisa basically threatened on national TV to out her son by bringing her son up. So that was the first truly cunty thing that Lisa has been caught doing in my eyes. I mean, she's been caught doing a lot of shady shit. But this week, she really whipped it out. I don't know if they wore her down or what. But here's the deal. So over the summer, it was all over the gossip rags that one of the children,

and they would not name the child, which I think that's funny, that all these housewives gossip rags suddenly have morals it's like oh let's protect the children especially when none of them are really children but anyway there were news reports that one of kim's children was found wandering around the streets naked mumbling you know like talking to himself and mumbling girls oh so we all assumed it was one of the girls but it apparently it was Chad because it happened over the summer. And Lisa was saying, well, you know, I heard he broke his arm, but then I found out it was something else. This is what Lisa said. So Lisa was basically saying, listen, bitch, when your son was walking around the street mumbling on bath salts or whatever the fuck was going on,

I called you and supported you. Now you pretended like I wasn't even there. And Kim was freaking out because, because a of course it's kim and you're of course you would call and support her because she deserves it she's entitled yeah um but the fact that lisa almost brought that up kim almost fucking lost it and then immediately started backtracking and saying how much she loved lisa so i thought that was a pretty hilarious by the way i don't think i actually don't think that was like very cunty of Lisa. You know why? Because it was her way of letting Kim know, like, remember when this really shitty thing happened and I was there for you?

But she didn't but she wasn't actually saying it. And it was so the way she actually said it was so under the radar. Like, I didn't even think like, oh, there's something there. There's something there. I was like, oh, the kid broke his arm or there was a confusion well yeah but she did in a way that was like is doing stuff like that in a real but that's not shady to do that like if you're in a situation if you're in a public place and so and you need to like remind someone of something but you don't want to like say what it is like there's a you sort of can be like evasive about it etc and that's what lisa was doing she

wasn't i don't think that was a threat to be like i'm gonna out you and it was more like uh excuse me remember when that thing happened to your son the thing i'm not gonna talk about you know but she didn't say remember when that thing happened on your son but i'm not gonna say what it is on national tv that would have been bad that's like the fake like fake modesty um well i think she was being totally shady i think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree because that was the first time i was like oh wow lisa now that said i still was rooting for her because i was like finally she's gonna stand up to these bitches it's like you want to play bitches like i kind of like that aspect of it but yeah yeah but but that being said also

just to get back to kim's awfulness on this episode, was that she once again was doing that thing that we've been complaining about all season long and maybe even last season too. That she is really running afoul of the rule that she's supposed to apologize. She called out Lisa on this episode because she was like, you know, like, you were always, like, whenever we went to Paris, whatever, you were always saying, oh, where's Kim? Oh, we're going to miss the boat because of Kim, da-da-da-da-da, which is your way of pointing out that I was drunk or I wasn't there, and that's, like, not nice. But it's like, you know what, Kim? No, no. You don't get to be mad at Lisa for that. You have to apologize, because Lisa was reacting to the version that she knew of you being drunk all the time. And you know what? You actually pushed Lisa to that

place as you pushed many other people to that place. That's why you're supposed to apologize if you follow the 12-step treatment. Well, not only that, you know, she's going after her when everybody asked where Kim was. You know why? Because when someone says they're going to be somewhere and they're not there, it's natural to say,

where are they? You don't assume they're drunk in a ditch somewhere. That would have been more offensive. You know, I mean, look, someone made a comment to me that was extremely on the money this week. They were like, your humor, you know, you go from mean to horrible and you just crossed the line making fun of Kim and her disease. And you've talked about your own mother on the podcast and that is cringeworthy. And look, that's so true. And it really is true. It really is a gross part of my personality where I maybe go a little too hard on people that could use a little more understanding in their lives. I get that. And I do get that Kim's issues probably hit a little bit too close to home to me because of my own family issues and stuff that I have dealt with. So I'm going to publicly admit that and publicly admit if my mother ever does

hear about any of this, sorry, mom. Okay? So there's that. But the reason it does hit close to home for me is because I know this story. I've heard it a million times. I've heard these excuses. I've heard people who use their disease to fuck everybody else in their life over, over and over again and it's like you're sober for one week and everybody has to buy you a fucking cake and throw you a parade and no it's not about celebrating you bitch it's about like you should be lucky that everybody's taking you back and being nice to you you should be like and making an effort instead of acting like you're on some fucking throne somewhere because you you've you've refrained

from having a drink yeah i mean i like you know what if you if you can get sober you should be applauded i think you should you you deserve the the metaphorical pat on the back and in a big way like that should be really celebrated but at the same time it doesn't mean that you are entitled to a whole bunch of behavior too like you know um I think we talked about this a few weeks ago. You had like a certain rant about along these lines, but like there's this whole thing about I think when you are, when you are an addict, you become very selfish and it's not saying that you are selfish. Like it's like the addiction causes you to be selfish.

You know, when you are drunk all the time, you are not thinking about other people's time, necessarily. You're not thinking about this or that. You're really only thinking about yourself. You might not be able to control that. I'm not saying it's like, oh, like, fuck you, because you're selfish. But that's one thing that happens. Kim needs to be in a place where she has to understand why Lisa would be making those petty little remarks. Yeah, maybe they were obnoxious, but you have to remember Lisa's still entitled to be like, oh my god, I've been waiting for this woman for hours. Lisa all of a sudden is supposed to be like, oh, never mind then.

She has an addiction. That's not the way it works. You're supposed to apologize. Lisa didn't even make... She didn't care. Lisa never make, she didn't care. Lisa never brought it. Lisa didn't care. First of all, but Lisa made little jokes that you're like,

I think when they went to Hawaii, you know, like where, remember, remember Kim was took so long in Hawaii. Like there were definitely little jokes, but at the same time, Kim should be like,

well, I get it now. We're around to put her on camera, even though they knew she was wasted. Like, that's the thing. It's like, I get that that that may be seen as cunty but you know how about signing up for a reality show and then hiding in your room doing drugs instead of being on camera like you're supposed to because your sister got you a job like that's shittier i'm just saying

in this situation i it wasn't lisa attacking her saying oh oh, you should have been here, you should have been that. When Kim started going off and being like, well, excuse me for missing a couple of parties. Lisa wasn't saying anything about that. She was explaining her own thing. It's like, she's yelling at nothing. She doesn't even know what she's doing. She's yelling and screaming because she's talked to her sister and these other women and she's gotten herself and and you know we've seen kim getting mad at lisa for ages like ever since the beginning because lisa's intelligent she makes little comments and kim has no sense of humor yeah even though kim acts all goofy and crazy and we all loved him at least i loved him until this season yeah now i'm realizing it was probably because she was drunk

like she was acting wacky on camera and saying crazy kooky things because she was drinking all the time yeah now he's just trying to keep that up because that's her persona like last week when kyle was saying um i don't actually remember her ever being like this before yeah yeah that's it but you know that the other thing is it's incredibly disrespectful for Kim to say, so I missed a few parties. Like, so what? Well, one of those parties was actually a wedding. That's not like just a something. And to go back to the whole RSVP gate about the graduation party, the way it goes, I think, in life is that if you say you can't – if you decline, you decline.

And you're under no obligation is that if you say you can't, if you decline, you decline, and there you're no, you're under no obligation to go once you say decline. So even, even though Lisa, if Lisa had come back early and went to serve, for whatever her motivations, whatever her reasons, she already said no, and she already sent a gift. And I think that's, I think that's fine. I think as we all know, people who live in Los Angeles, at least, when you have flown across the country or even halfway across the country, you get to L.A. and you land. Sometimes you just want to go to dinner, and you don't want to go to a party off in, like, you know, wherever Kim is.

The Val. Yeah, that's like a pain. Yeah, and also Lisa had just been spending three days marching with children with cancer. So I think that kind of trumps your disease, stupid. And anyway, half your family wasn't even there. Get over it. I don't know.

She's just, she went from being a fun girl to just being a total bitch. I don't get her. I've seen it from the very beginning of the season. And they showed the clip, you know, where she's, like, pulling her underwear out of her, you know, meat factory or whatever. And Lisa's like, we don't need to see that, darling. And closes the door. And she has a fit like lisa yeah but ever since she learned that word she's used it like once an episode big mistake closing the door on me i'm like no it was not a big mistake it was a sanitary move one of my favorite moments of this episode was um andy saying well lisa you know do you feel like

you've been dismissive of kim and she's like you know what maybe i just don't get her you know maybe i just don't get kim i don't understand when she's talking about turtles and then kim goes kim goes when have i when have you ever heard me talk about a turtle in the show by talking about turtles that was the first thing you said you know she's just dumb she's just dumb and forgetful by way, what did you think about the Carlton and Kyle friction? It's just so funny. I mean, that part was so stupid.

Carlton was trying so hard to make a storyline for herself, and it just didn't work. And you've got two morons calling each other bigot and anti-Semite, and it's like, shut up. You people do not even... There you go again. Labeling. You're labeling. That's what you do you label you label

yeah well how many times have you called her a bitch that's also labeling i mean i would i would hate to see her at like kinkos or something like that she's like oh look there's that machine labeling again that's what that machine does it labels oh these are doritos well i'm glad you labeled them so that i could know, you poor little darling. You should be able to live a life as whatever you'd like to be. You could be a potato chip, you could be salsa if you damn well wanted. But no, you're stuffing Doritos because Lace has labeled you! I can't believe that when I asked to find the size of this shirt, you told me to read the label.

Don't you know I hate labels? How could you label this shirt how could you do it and then it just takes one of those kids to drink rat poison for her to change her damn mind where's the labeling where's the labeling by the way i loved her like very serious discussion of how she did the black magics as a child it's was a very dark time for me, and so subsequently it was dark magic. It's like, shut up, Carlton. My eyes started rolling back in my head. I don't need anybody explaining their religion. Nobody.

I don't want... She is kind of silly, I will say. It was fun. I did enjoy watching Kyle and Carlton go after it. I mean, Carlton had one sliver of a point that she could have made, which she should have made all along, which is that I wasn't offended that you said it was Jewish star. I just think that you're rude. You're just rude all the time.

Now, that's a good point, because Kyle is rude all the time, and so is her sister. But Carlton waited all season long to just articulate that very simple fact. Well, if anybody ever goes on The Housewives and you need reasons to get Kyle, So is her sister. But Carlton waited like all season long to just articulate that very simple fact. Well, if anybody ever goes on the housewives and you need reasons to get Kyle, I'll give you some good ones. Come over. I'll give you a good game plan. I'll get you all set up.

I should have a consulting firm for these women. They really need some help. They really do. The first lesson for Kyle is bring your bitch mode back because when she was going after Carlton, it was like, yes like yes this is the best no one fucking cares about you and shut the fuck up that's kyle that's kyle crash i love it yeah labeling um now the other thing was there's a lot of uh joyce and brandy stuff going on which was it was like silly it's like watching two chihuahuas, but except there were ladies. Hold on one second. Remember what you're going to say, because I have to interject.

There was a point in that Carlton fight that I wanted. Okay, so there's some stuff happening on Twitter this week where Camille, and this was posted on her Facebook, said, thanks, guys. Camille was saying somewhere on Twitter, on Twitterverse, that she was never

really friends with Allison, and Kelsey made her invite her to that dinner to put her on TV, because she, you know, he wanted a plug for Medium or whatever. But Allison Dubois is really friends with Carlton and her husband.

And they have a picture together at the Abbey and Carlton has said yes I would consider her a friend so who knows maybe they're going to bring a little Allie back for a good dinner or two that would be that would be amazing oh my god if she could if she came back I think that's what everyone's been waiting for I don't I know that she said that at one in one interview that she would never do the housewives again but come on now yeah that was pretty that was pretty great we've all seen the future on that one alice in dubois and it involves some paychecks okay uh so you wanted to talk about brandy and joyce and yossi you know, here's the thing. I continue to... I don't love Joyce by any means.

She says stupid things and ridiculous things all the time. She's talking about how she understands what it's like to have paparazzi attention because she's in a show called Siberia. So that is hilarious. That being said, Brandy is making me team Joyce because Brandy, as silly as Joyce is, Brandy is ten times worse. And Brandy is making me team joyce because brandy as as silly as joyce's brandy is 10 times worse

and brandy is like really mean and i have to say i agreed with joyce when she said stop being the victim it's true because that's all that brandy does she plays she lashes out and then she acts like the victim well yes that you know and that was this whole thing every time somebody does something wrong on this show they've got some horrible victim complex you know kim's got her i blow out of my life victimhood and then you've got brandy who really is a functioning drunk at the moment yeah and drunk and her thing her excuse after being completely rigged across the coals all season on twitter and the entire internet basically she's trying to come back so instead of actually being nice,

she still acts like a total C-word. But then she comes up with a disease, a disease called depression. Come on, really? So all of this stuff, which you haven't apologized for and still say that you're right about, was caused by depression, but you're still not wrong. But depression's a disease.

Which is it? You know, no one knows how to stick to it. She's a drunk. That's her disease. She's going to say it until the knows how to stick to it she's a drunk that's her disease she's gonna say it till the end of time even even if she has a fucking martini in her hand and a meth pipe hanging out her mouth she will she will be consistent but brandy i mean you can't say everything was caused by depression which is a disease that's ruining your life but you don't regret anything and you don't apologize for anything. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly correct. I mean, I'm depressed. You see me like going into the mail, you know, the post office and

telling people off because there's a long line. Yes. Yes, you do. But it's not because I'm depressed because I'm an asshole. You know, Brandy, the thing that's really killing me is that Brandy said something or had some line of logic that was so flawed, so beyond flawed. And I can't remember it for the life of me. And I'm like, so mad that I didn't take notes this week. Abby has yet to make one argument that makes any kind of sense. I mean, it was really bad. This was she said something that, oh, it really, really pisses me off that I can't remember it. It was so hypocritical. It was, it was like, but to get back to your point though about the depression

i loved how when she was saying i'm not a victim i don't act like i don't play the victim i don't play the victim and then they show the scenes for next week and you see brandon being like i was depressed right away they talk about all these little digs that lisa makes poor little kim and then brandy's sitting right there and andy's like well do you have a problem and brandy's like listen i'm not doing coke i'm not shooting up i'm not doing crystal meth in a bathroom it's like everything she's basically accused kim of doing who's sitting right next to her i just have a couple of drinks every once in a while and that's fine and then the other good part was that uh the other excuse is that she

was so depressed and going through such a hard time about being cheated on 10 years ago yeah and it's also hard and do you know what it's like joyce to have paparazzi following you 24 hours a day first of all you're not julia roberts okay so stop it um and then joyce is like uh yes i do they do that puerto rico and brandy's like uh yeah because you call them and joyce you know joyce's arguments which i this is one thing i hate about her are always you are no you are but the thing is that she's actually correct you know she's actually right like i believe 100 that brandy calls the paparazzi i do too and she's like well my publicist says that you're the one who called the paparazzi and that night that they caught you falling down outside on the tmz that they

they caught you because you got drunk you forgot to call them and meanwhile yolanda's like well that's what children do that's what children do you see her she's such a child and i love that lisa's in trouble for being dismissive but every time anyone that yolanda doesn't like talk she's like oh you'll be quiet over there. No one listen to you. She's like, it's okay. I can take it. I can take it. You know, I have no problem hearing things from stupid people.

It's okay. Keep talking. Yolanda's pretty evil, man. She's not, I mean, she's not even fun bitchy. She's just gross. She is. You don't want to get on her bad side for sure. So basically what we learned was that Brandy is calling the paparazzi all the time.

And she doesn't think she has a problem. And she says she's never gotten a facelift, which is hilarious. She's never had fillers. No, no, no. She said she does have fillers. Wasn't she saying that she has? Oh, no, no. Kyle was saying that she doesn't have fillers.

And Kyle's a liar. No one has crazy angles saying that she doesn't have fillers. And Kyle's a liar. No one has crazy angles like that on their face without fillers. Unless they're implants, which technically she would be correct. I have a big chin. That's not filler. That is the filler God gave you. I have God filler. It's obesity. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, what else happened in this episode? God filler. I'm just kidding. Yeah.

What else happened in this episode? I don't know, but we should move on anyway. Cause you said, Oh, we're not going to talk about this for that long. And now it's 40 minutes later. I can't believe the same issues over and over.

And I can still get pissed off. We still get so fired up because they give us like new evidence to get mad at them about over the same issues. It's like, you know, it is, it's like in Judaism, you read the Torah over and over again, every single year. And it over the same issues. It's like, you know it is, it's like in Judaism, you read the Torah

over and over again every single year, and it's the same thing every single year, but you take something new out of it each time. That's what this is, except less spiritual. Let's end it with a reading from Lisa's blog, which was posted on our Facebook. And by the way, let me just interject, I apologize to all the

Jews of the world for comparing the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion to the Torah. He is apologizing to my mother for any comments I may have made. But I just apologize to everybody. We're sorry to Jews, gays, black people, Mexicans, my mother, white people, waiters. The Beverly Hills Chamber of Commerce. Okay, so Lisa in her blog this week went off, which was nice. Instead of being the victim, she kind of just told everybody off, which was really hilarious because, of course, she does it with a lot of wit.

So I won't read the whole thing, obviously, because it's three pages, but I'll start at the end. Actually, in retrospect, when I realized I have no chance of guarding her old socks, that is a comfort if our relationship ever went forward. Talking about Kim, of course. So, my friends, if I'm ever remiss in closing the bathroom door when millions could be watching, please close it for me. Please don't feel pressured to come to an event for my children. If you are participating in a charity on the other side of the country and have no idea what time you are returning, a gift is more than sufficient.

Please snatch the bottle from my hand if I am inebriated and potentially making a fool of myself in front of the world. Additionally, feel free to mock my illness, my accent, or state I have never been to a grocery store or that I have more attitude than a superstar when I spend 80% of my time working my ass off. Don't worry, as I will not take offense or call you on it. Also, please check my blog, Kyle, dated February 4th,

where I only stated, when Kyle once again raises the subject of Nipplegate, I know where this is going. Oh dear, what a cardinal sin to have ever written that. And there we have it. A ridiculously complicated scenario conjured up at... Wait, what was that last part?

I was like, honestly, Ronnie, I was like so invested in that. And then it cut out for me at the very end. I was like, wait, no, stop. There we have it. A ridiculously complicated scenario conjured up out of diddly squat. Oh, and one more request. Please, dearest friends on the reunion couch, do me the honor and get the hell off my back. Have a good week. Good for her.

Bravo, bravo. Bravo. And if you ever fuck with me again, I will talk about your son having a mental breakdown naked in the streets. Toodles. God save the queen. Okay.

Let's go on to New York. On to a jew york speak apologizing to jews yeah oh wow so book gate continued to have its ramifications not a whole lot happened on this episode it was more like the this is the the the uh the episode where everyone talks about the big fight afterwards um but i still enjoyed it i enjoyed watching carol uh go lose her shit at aviva's place and go up to aviva's husband be like your wife is a mean person good for her and then like there's this girl this new girl who i i thought was just in this episode but apparently is going to have a larger role this season who was trying to calm her down or whatever. I don't know.

I I'm team Carol. Like. In the previews, this woman and she is awful. I guess she's like the new friend of, for the season. Yeah. A major bitch on wheels.

And we'll say anything mean to be on camera, which is going to be great. And, um, especially since Luann is Mac next week. So I want to see this one go up against Luann. Yeah. I think she's the, the image consultant, like Aviva's, which makes sense since Aviva's image is still terrible. Yeah. And continues to plummet.

Yeah. But yeah, Carol not only went up to her husband and said, your wife is a horrible person. She also went up to Harry and was like, Harry is so nice. She's like, Harry is so nice. Harry. I understand the divorce. Bye. Harry. I understand the divorce. Bye. I get it now.

I get it now. Meanwhile, Ramona's like, oh, I didn't expect this to happen. I thought they just had to talk. I thought they had to talk. That's all. The last thing I wanted was for there to be a fight. I just wanted people to talk. I mean, what's the big deal with that?

Oh, now I understand. Carol doesn't have anything in her life. She doesn't be a fight. I just wanted people to talk. I mean, what's the big deal with that? Oh, now I understand. Carol doesn't have anything in her life. She doesn't have a husband. She doesn't have any children. I mean, her work is everything to her. You know what? Like my mother always said, if you can't,

you never want to rely on a man to ghostwrite a book for you. You have to ghostwrite your own book. That fight between Aviva and carol was hilarious because carol is the that person i never thought i would see lose it yeah thought she was going to be kind of like the lisa you know like the i guess the cooler lease oh you know what i mean like the more like young and hip that's hilarious to say that about carol but version of lisa where you just couldn't get through the through the armor but right you can piss her off you can i mean never underestimate the ability of aviva drescher to make the most mature women go bonkers we could we could actually make jesus christ into a horrible reality star

just pit him up on tv jesus he'll get real pissed at her and ramona would be like don't make him mad he's making a whine and we have to be nice to you but carol has also really already got this housewives thing down like she knows exactly how it works she's with av, who's accusing her of having a ghostwriter and hurting her reputation. So her very next scene is shot yelling at her. Yeah. She's like, who keeps changing this?

Who keeps changing this? I'm like, Carol, it's the ghostwriter. And she literally said, who keeps changing this? I wrote this. I wrote this. who keeps changing this? I wrote this. I wrote this. Who keeps changing it? This Madden script keeps getting changed. It's almost like there's a ghost, a ghost that can write that's making changes.

So I have a friend. This is a good time to interject this. I have a friend named Ed who runs TV Fishbowl. And we've just met on Twitter talking back and forth normally during Big Brother time. Because that's, for some reason, the internet's on fire for Big Brother. And only Big Brother. Have you noticed that? But anyway, so we kind of became friends talking shit about Big Brother online.

And so I like to check out his site, tvfishbowl.com, every once in a while. Well, he got an interview with Aviva. Ugh. So, of course, I—sorry, Ed, but I did not listen to it because I try to pretend I have taste, even though everyone knows I don't. So I didn't really listen to it. But there was a follow-up article about it, which I am guessing he got from this interview. Carol Radziwill, celebrated author or seriously delusional? And then this is a quote from local news producer.

While writing is a component of our job, our main focus is putting the package together. The writing is often left to someone other than the producer. someone other than the producer. So basically what he's saying is that being in the news is no writing experience. It's producer experience. And that all of her good reviews on Goodreads are faked and paid for. That seems just a tad contrived. I think so, too. It seems really out there.

I get getting things from your sources, but... And let me tell you something. He just said, like, come on! Yeah, and here's the other thing. As someone who used to be a segment producer, it was, like, all writing. Like, that's what I would do. I wrote segments every single day i mean

i get it's not like poetic you know yeah it's a different type of writing but yeah so anyway i just wanted to post to point that out because aviva is still going out there you know saying whatever she can to whoever she can about what a fake and a phony carol is and that she's buying her own um she's buying all her reviews so that's kind of hilarious yeah i mean that's she's that's actually dangerous what she's doing because she could probably get sued well carol has threatened it two weeks in a row now that she's saying you know she could sue her so i would love to see that i would absolutely i would love that our first like housewife well i wouldn't be it would be our first housewife lawsuit between two active members, right?

Not just a threat of a lawsuit. I think there must be something in the contract saying they can't sue each other. Because I figure they would have by now. Don't you? I think if I were Carol, I actually probably would do something like that. It really is absurd what

Aviva's doing. There are people who use ghostwriters, for sure, and there's that i mean that it really is absurd what what aviva's doing you know you know there are people who use ghost writers uh for sure and there's nothing wrong with that but it's but not not every author uses a ghost writer and when carol asked aviva if she used a ghost writer it was it made sense to ask that because aviva even though she's written an essay and went to law school and by the, legal writing is not the same as writing a book. Like, I'm sorry, even though there's John Grisham, it's like writing a legal brief is definitely not the same. I took English class in high school. And I do the crossword puzzle every day. And when I need to get somewhere on the subway, I read the map. So I've learned better phrasing from that.

I've also written thank you cards. I've put together phrasing from that. I've also written thank you cards. I've put together e-vites. Let me tell you something, Carol. I write a very, very good grocery list. It's very literary. And you know what? If you don't think that's writing, then I'm sorry. I guess I'm just down here and you're up there.

I love that she keeps saying that over and over again. I know, really carrying on the torch. So, the other things in this episode are Ramona crying. I seriously, okay, look, I did not fast forward through Ramona's college thing, but I will from now on. I mean, that's ridiculous.

I do not want to watch it. Dry up on your own time, okay? It's like I don't want to sit there and watch a grape turn into a raisin. I do not want to watch you shrivel up do it off camera please just you know it's gonna be all season long because they're only at the prom now which means that there's gonna be like two months of like buying college supplies and buying boxes and goodbye dinners and etc etc um i would like to take a moment to say good boy bueller Bueller. Good boy. The mailman came. Bueller was looking right at him out the window. And instead of barking, just did a very simple on the couch. You're learning episode was sort of a curious sequence. Kristen and Heather and their husbands did a Spartan race up in Tuxedo, New York.

And the long and the short of it is that Kristen was just doing it to be because her husband's company was sponsoring it. And so she's like, OK, I'll do it. And she kept on saying the entire episode, like, you're not going to abandon me, right? You're not going to abandon me, right? He's like, no, I'm going to run with you. I'm going to run with you. And of course, the moment they start running, he completely runs off and she's alone. And by the time it's over, she's furious and she's crying. She's like, I don't want to fucking talk to you, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I have to say, I empathize with her. I actually totally get it. But then I went onto our Facebook page and people were like, oh my god, she's such a whiner, she's such a whiner.

Maybe I'm a whiner. But I personally, like, if I were doing something that I didn't, if I didn't even want to do this thing, I was doing it to be, like, nice to my significant other, etc. And I was like, just please stay by me because it's going to be, like, two hours ofudging through this and if i'm just doing that alone i would be pissed i would i can see myself especially because you're probably super hungry and angry at the end and cranky and like hurting i can see at the end being like fuck you i went with my friend kelly he's always tired how are you kelly tired i'm so tired okay so that's this girl. I love her. So we go to Runyon together a lot, and when it comes to exercise, she's never tired. She's always like,

Come on, Rondo! Why are you all the way down there, Rondo? Hurry up! Like, she's grating. But she keeps me moving, right? So we do Runyon last week, and she's like, Let's do the new way! Or, let's do the long way! And I was like, What's the long way? She goes, Oh, it's just a little bit longer than the other way.

It's not a little bit longer. Do you know this way? I think so. When you go all the way to the left? You don't enter on Fuller. You enter on that other. Yeah. It just looks like a mountain, a hill, basically.

It's not even a track. I'm like, what the hell? And you climb up it. And it's like, oh, okay, this isn't so bad. It's really steep. It's twice the height of the other hill yeah it's bloody hell and it takes like 30 to 45 minutes well at least when you're me it takes like 45 minutes it's hard um i was not prepared for what it was it was grueling it was hot i was turning purple i'm out of shape i almost killed her i mean the things i was saying to her people were passing by me like going god because i was cursing her out i was yelling i was picking up rocks and

throwing them at her that's a good way to deal with it it's like oh randall what you're throwing at least that's exercise good for you but uh is it leah black are you hiking with leah i mean i don't see exactly what i'm talking about but uh she uh my point is that it's not fair to put somebody who's not in that kind of shape in that situation and then just be like what what are you whining about not cool yeah i think you know if she had said hey listen i'm gonna be slow you go ahead that's fine but that he was like i'm not gonna leave you and that it was like his own pride whatever like yeah it sucks for him that he had to you would have had to like slow himself down but you know your your wife is doing this

for you as a favor this is not what she wants to do and it's not really competitive it's supposed to be like you make it through together as a team and um he he full-on loved her like i i've been in those situations before like not in a doing like a tough mud or anything like that but you know like if you're doing something as a group and then the whole group goes up and leaves you behind that's like shitty that really really is shitty so yes she may have been whining but you know what like i would be whining too yeah i didn't mind that she was whining i totally fell for her and i actually felt good because i was like skinny bitches cry during exercise too that's crazy we've got something in common but another thing is he was really rude how he was talking yeah very rude he was like he's like

stop feeling that way or you don't feel that way or something like that he's like you should be empowered you should feel empowered she should she should have felt empowered that she did it through but that was not what he should have been telling her right then and there. Yeah, and I feel like a lot of, especially supermodels, like, this girl is so pretty. And she married a guy who's older and homely. And an asshole. But you know what? You want to be treated like a queen if you're marrying a homely guy. Like, if you're marrying Brad Pitt and he goes off and sleeps with Angelina Jolie, of course.

I mean, you married Brad Pitt. What do you expect? It's like, if you're married to Eddie Cibrian of course he's gonna cheat on you you can't marry someone that hot but when you marry someone homely and they're still really mean to you I mean that's just a double loss yeah he's like very condescending to her and he should be thank his lucky stars because she's beautiful and she also she also seems super cool and she also uh she seems to express the way she feels very well and so he really like there's no reason for him to be treating her that way because he should be so lucky that he has her not like jill zarin yeah and she's also nice and funny and seems

like a good mom i mean i'm i like her so far and you can see little glimpses in this episode of her becoming a shitster which i really like as well. Yeah. Such an innocent way. So she's, she's showing us that she'll, she'll put the effort in what she needs to. Absolutely. By the way, what did you think about Sonia's interns this week?

That's the only thing Sonia did, right? It says she hung out with her interns. I'm sure we all want to sleep with the adorable blonde 20 year old intern. Cause he's the cutest ever. And I love that. Is he just like, he has that don't give a shit voice where she's like, okay, hot gay intern.

What happens? What kind of company is this? And he's like, the kind of company that's always busy answering letters and emails and constantly doing busy things. She's like, what? That's exactly right. You sleep on the couch.

And afterwards we go out and we go to a gay bar and we get fucked up. It sounds, you know, it really sounds like an awful job. You know, one of my friends, his friend actually applied to be her intern. And they sent her this whole email. I think I once mentioned this. And my friend was like, I'm not sure if you can read the email on the air because she's still thinking she might do it. But that was like nine or ten months ago. I bet I could probably read that now, right?

Yeah. Do you think my friend would get mad? Why don't I try to look it up? Don't put any names in it. Yeah, I'm going to look it up. It's not safe if you don't put anybody's name in it. To you-know-who who's probably listening, if this compromises your friend, I'm sorry, but the statutes of limitations have expired on this. I'm actually – someone on our side is saying, oh, you have to go look at the Aviva blog because she's crazy.

Instead – and this is just a part I obviously can't read and talk at the same time. I'm not multi-talented like that. But it says, instead, it escalated to the physical. Carol pushing me in the face. Not a nice thing to do to a girl on a staircase. Even a girl. And new lows and insults. Okay, maybe not a new low.

Last year, one of the housewives did call two of the others white trash, but still pretty low. Anyway, Carol did call me in nothing. That's something. Don't you agree? Aviva. Jesus. You're kind of proving Carol's point here. If you don't have a ghostwriter,

get one. You fucking nutcase. Okay. So are you ready to hear this email? It's actually very long. Okay. Just read it. What?

Just read fast. Okay. This is written by someone who went to interview With Sonia So I walk in and she's in the foyer in her robe And lightly shakes my hand Then goes on complaining to Tyler A young college guy Her main assistant

One of four interns in the house About her elevator not working Her maid or someone Pushed some emergency alarm And it wasn't working She didn't think that was funny This lecture lasted about five minutes She's going on about the elevator Finally, wait, hold on a second. Looking at framed photos on the wall and a table of magazines open to various interviews, spreadsheet it. Finally, wait, hold on a second. Academy is a new scripted podcast that follows Ava Richards, played by HBO's Industries' Myhala Herald,

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chair that says, Real Housewives of New York. She futzes around as she talks, total stream of consciousness at all times with her. It's hard to tell when she's talking to me directly, if she's talking to me, someone else, or just thinking out loud. She leads me into her bedroom and adjoining office where two other interns are working. One is at her desk arranging for something to be delivered that was late. The other is putting together a photo book on her website, I think. Sonia asked me to cover as she talks to the intern who is wearing expensive 6-inch suede red heels

matching lipstick, scarf, and maybe about 20 years old. And instructs her to choose photos with action, telling a story with a melange of pictures. Some red carpet, some action shots, some randoms. She then is futzing around her room looking for items and talking into the air. I'm still not sure who she's talking to. Her room is ornate, lots of wood, floral, red, gold, cream, as you see on the show. All lovely furniture, expensive. She

has a lovely red armoire with gold peacocks painted on, but the handles have scraped the wood terribly. The room is cozy but shabby. There are two wall chandelier type things in the bedroom that look out of place and dated from the 80s and could be easily straightened, but instead she'd look a mess. I'm sorry, she could be easily straightened, but instead just look a mess. The bed is impeccably made.

She finds my resume, which looks like it has been through the wringer, and puts it together with a folder, grabs the post, and tries on four different pairs of sunglasses, and then finally takes me up to the next floor so we can have our interview on the terrace outside her daughter's room there's still more you are you still listening you still on board starts and sounds as crazy as a viva i know

so when we get to her daughter's room she asked me if i could carry a large cushion that is for the patio lounge chair outside so i could sit on it. So I lugged this huge cushion onto the terrace and throw it on the chair and sit back. So we are sitting up on the terrace. It's a beautiful sunny day. She is on her phone half the time arranging all these events, talking about her charities, about her divorce settlement, lawsuits with the L.A. production company, about the show and her plans for the season. She remembers she needs to send her urine to the doctor, and texts her assistant to

do it for her on the way to wherever, OMG. She is in and out of her conversation, simultaneously sending emails on the phone and taking breaks to get the sun and relax. She says she can't believe Heather said she doesn't know hard work. I say that Heather just had a different perception of work, and that just because you're not clocking at the office doesn't mean you aren't working. from perception of work, and that just because you're not clocking at the office doesn't mean you aren't working. Sonia likes that. Anyway, it's hard to say everything that went on. It's so bizarre. I wish I

could tell you guys in person, but basically I told her my strengths and blah blah blah blah blah blah. Well, we basically just saw all of that in action in this episode. Oh yeah, by the way, here's a P.S. P.S. She doesn't even really want to put out a toaster. She said she was talking to someone about actually putting it into production, but that the show made it seem like it was more of a thing than it was. She doesn't even really want to put out a toaster. She said she was talking to someone about actually putting it into production,

but that the show made it seem like it was more of a thing than it was. She just wants to party and be fabulous and be a philanthropist. Problem is that she seems to be broke. Also, her new thing will be a diamond jewelry line with some department store and maybe Prosecco. I'm sorry if that was too long. No, that's funny, and that's good

insight into her crazy-ass life. I mean, she does seem like a fucking Looney Tune. And I love that we're actually getting to see all the interns. And that interviewing the new intern was hilarious when the interview was over. And she's like, well, I'm scared, but I'll try. Sonia is a freaking nutcase. What is she doing being friends with Aviva? Is that just some setup

i'm confused i don't think sony even realizes who she's talking to half the time i think she just sort of sees i think everyone looks sort of like the little cloud and super mario brothers that the guy throws spiky balls down from yeah she's she just thinks it's a lock of two it's a fucking nutcase so did you watch watch what happens last night? No, but Bethany was on, right? Bethany and Ramona were on. I did not watch it because I gave up cable. Sorry, everybody. But I tried finding it online, and of course they don't put it anywhere online because Bravo is dickish.

So I watched some of the after show stuff, which they put those clips on, and it was funny. He said, so do you guys have any regrets from the past uh you know from your years on the show like anything you wouldn't have done and ramona's like i regret that jill zarin is a liar and that she made up made things up and that she told people lies because liars are are liars and i don't like liars i like people who are the truth and i like people who tell that who tell the truth about themselves and who will come on camera and be themselves and not are liars like Jill Zarin. And he's like, okay. Bethany, do you have any regrets?

And she's like, no. And what else? It was mostly for me, it was just a showcase of how crazy Ramona really is. I mean, we see her on the show, but when she's out of context talking about herself, like she's on the actor's studio, inside the actor's studio, really cracks me up. It's like, Ramona, you didn't learn any lines to do this. Like, you didn't have to go to school to learn to be a housewife. Like, get over yourself. Like, get over yourself. She's like, well, you know, sometimes with the new girls, it's really hard. And I have to give them advice. And I'm like the mother of the group. And I like help everybody.

And, you know, I'm like their mentor. And like the housewives guru. Because no one, you know, they don't really know how to do it. And you have to, like, really be yourself on the show. And you really have to put your real life into it and be yourself. And so, like, I like to mother everybody on the show. Yes. She likes to mother everybody on the show yes she likes to mother everyone on the show like she's inspiring everybody to do their best housework she's like the nelson mandela

of real housewives she's like well you know last season nobody really knew each other and so they couldn't really do anything on the show because you know no one was so awkward but this year we decided to work as a team and so we're working really good together as a team and i'm like what is that conversation weird like okay well let's just ruin each other's reputations and uh rip each other's lives apart and make each other great okay we we all this teamwork let's just all do it together by the way i really enjoyed how your your ramona impersonation was starting to veer into, oh, well, you know, Peter. Peter always say, you have to mother people, you know? It was.

I don't know how that's veering in there, except that she lives her life in front of the cameras, very honestly. So I think that way we're alike, but otherwise, I think you're crazy. You know what that is? That's day class A. I'm sorry, but that's just what it is. It's day class A i'm sorry if that's just what it is it's day class a sorry calm down are any trouble here so i'm sorry i'm sorry sorry um so let's move on to what do

you want to go next southern charm or atlanta i'm good for either let's talk about southern charm why not i continue to enjoy this show quite a bit are you i don't know exactly why i'm watching it and mostly because people on our facebook are telling us it's so good and um i i don't know i i don't i don't know i'm kind of i'm perplex with this show. I'm perplexed whether or not I like it. I did play Candy Crush the whole time, which is not fun. But it's interesting watching men act like fucking idiots instead of women. So that's a nice change. Here are some reasons why I like it. Aside from the old money thing, which I've talked to to death.

It's weird that I like a show so much that doesn't seem to have any sort of catfighting, so that's strange. I enjoy watching Thomas Ravenel. I think he's funny. I feel like his political career is going nowhere, but I enjoy that he holds out hope while still doing ridiculous things. I like that he's boning a 21-year-old girl who looks like Parker Posey playing Amy Adams. I like that.

I also, I continue to love Whitney's mother, who is the funniest. What was she saying this week? I don't know. She was just trying. She just took him to some charity function, just being generally waspy. Why would you open a restaurant? It's so pedestrian and banal. Say, here's my son, the filmmaker,

rather than, here's my son, the maitre d'. I did not send my son to Oxford to be a maitre d'. I love this woman. By the way, I really do feel like um every single episode i really believe more and more that wendy is gay um yeah i you know i don't i don't care really i would hope that a gay person would know better than to wear a balding wig i just i don't know like you know it's it's not for my it's not my place to say it's really isn't. But I've said it. So there. Yeah, I don't really care about who's gay because I figure everybody is so weird now with internet porn that I don't even think anybody's gay or straight.

I think they're just like internet. I think everyone's just internet. And that's their sexuality. Internet. And that's their sexuality. Internet. I don't remember what else happened on this episode, actually. There was a pregnancy scare with T-Rav and Catherine. Well, the news about them. Oh, I'm sorry.

You were breaking up. I know. Just that Shep, the girl that Shep is interested in has a boyfriend they've loved the same girl basically on the show all the guys have all slept with the same girls and they just kind of pass these children around they're all super young and i think that's the part that's creepy it's like what is this 50 something year old man doing with this 21 year old girl right you know sleeping without a condom and then she's like but I think I love you it's like oh

by the way when she went to her grandmother her grandma's like old school style she's like oh hi girl how are you know and then she's like I think I might be pregnant she's like oh oh oh looked like a frightened owl

I like when she's like how old is he 50 well that's a good age i like him older i was like oh whoa that's older than her how much can you date anyway you're like 80 she i was gonna say she's dating dating Abraham Lincoln, but that probably would never happen. Her date is going to be intro'd by Al Roker. It's like, congratulations, it's your 110th.

Our date is sponsored by Smuckas. Smuckas. I was going to say, you know that Meemaw hat? If you opened her fridge, it would be all things that she's pickled herself. Pickled cucumbers, some pickled apples, some jams, some jellies. Got some pickled pickles, too.

They started out as cornichons and now pickled them into dills. It's a pickled cornichon. Got some pickled corn on the cob um yeah okay so another thing Whitney kind of confronted the punk girl like the fake punk girl with oh yeah that was he was so sly he was like he's like yeah I'm so sorry I'm so sorry for my

assistant asking probing questions about uh your money but um you know I will say though people do have questions so if you want to clear the air like now would be a good chance but I'm so sorry for my assistant asking probing questions about uh your money but um you know i will say though people do have questions so if you want to clear the air like now would be a good chance but i'm so sorry for my assistant i'm like you little nosy bastard but he did get her to admit that her money is coming from her rich boyfriend who looks like ben kingsley yeah she's like i don't see age i don't see age yeah you know what you see you see like balls the size of a bowling ball bag in your face i like that you took it from just not just a bowling ball but a bowling ball bag gave an extra extra level but actually makes sense because like the testicles will be the balls and the bag will be the ball sack.

Yeah, all over your face. Don't tell me you don't... Okay, look. Even if you don't see age, you smell it in bed at night. You smell it when it's silently farting. You know that smell that over-perfumey old people smell? Yes, I'm quite aware.

Kind of got it because I use deodorant is my old person poor person smell yeah so i smell like suave cucumber um what is that cucumber and something not cucumber and raisin i'm still thinking about damn meemaw i got pickled raisins yes that's my old person smell but yeah you may not see old person, but you smell it in bed. So shut up, lady. You're in it for the money. And I don't blame you because you have a gorgeous house in Charleston.

Keep fucking old people. It's working for you. Even old people don't like me. You know, I have the same haircut as that girl. You may not know this, but when I wake up in the morning, I have the exact same haircut because my hair is like, it's like short on the sides, but then long on top and parted to the side. And in the morning when I wake wake up it's not parted to the side it's going in every direction and it looks exactly like jenna's hair yeah i can see that you actually do have her

haircut i'm gonna i'm gonna take a picture of it next time and i'll do a side by side um well i love that she's like well i mean i just i'm not with him for his money. He just happens to have money. Isn't that always the case? I'm in it with him because I do investments. I like investments, and he likes investments too. That's all. Older because they're short-term investments. You only have to be nice to them for about 15 to 20, and then they're gone, and you have everything. Yeah, I'm not really sure about that girl, but so far the only girl you can really respect on this show is Cameron because she works and stuff. She's good. She's hilarious, too. Her commentary is good. I love Cameron. I grew up with so many rich assholes who still have to do nothing with their lives that I don't i don't know i don't i'm not so into it and 20 year olds dating old people you know what i know maybe that's how charleston is because

there's more men i guess than there are women but guess what there's other cities move there that aren't built on slavery okay by the way i have a complaint about the show this is a classic ben mandelker nitpick okay the opening credits it has this like little song. It's like, He's immature. It's like, He's a man, I'm a lady, going out dancing. And then it's just like, the music just sort of fades out and feels very strange. And I wonder if anyone else notices that and it bugs other people too. Anyway, I'm like Sonia Morgangan right now rambling into thin air yeah this is one of

those shows that i i mean i'm actually back at candy crush i redownloaded it if you can't tell but that's how i'm judging shows like how much i look up from the candy crush the only thing i watched all the way through this week was atlanta and beverly hills and the other ones i kind of candy crushed my way through it so why don't we talk about atlanta then since it had your full attention we got gossip on our page from cindy c and actually somebody else talking about how she may not be pregnant by the end of this episode we find out that the 21 year old is not pregnant but she actually is expecting right now and she's with thomas and she's having his baby like this week. Oh, she also has a mugshot that someone put on her Facebook page, which was cool. So there's that.

That totally working out for both of them. So good for them. T-Rab is on the move. Here comes the political career. Here comes the presidency. I actually I think people should vote for him because, you know, be a hilarious, hilarious time in office. Yeah. Why not? You know hilarious, hilarious time in office. Yeah. Why not?

You know, we put Billy in there. I think Bill Clinton really opened the doors for just sexual debauchery. And I don't think the other presidents since him have really taken advantage of that. No, they have not. And the truth is that there are so many sheisty politicians out there that do things way worse than snorting some cocaine or maybe using taxpayer money for it. Way worse. Way worse. Yeah.

I forgive them. I forgive you, Thomas. T-Rav, you a good man. So let us discuss Real Housewives of Atlanta. Okay. The trip to Mexico continues on. I have to hand it to the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Okay. The trip to Mexico continues on. I have to hand it to the Real Housewives of Atlanta. They have brought it all year long.

It's been a good season. It is one of their best seasons yet. And the fights don't seem fake. They seem like they're coming, like everyone really is pissed off at each other all the time. Yeah. They're all loud mouths. Nobody is shy. And even the husbands are in it, which is just hysterical. is pissed off at each other all the time yeah they're all loud mouths nobody is shy and even

the husbands are in it which is just hysterical and everyone on that show all the husbands are so shady they're all using their women for money and they're all going to probably be in jail at some point yeah exactly i think it's it's so funny because the show also really plays by these rules these very old-fashioned rules of like men only talk about men's stuff and women only talk about women's stuff and yo man don't talk about my woman to my woman don't don't talk to that woman whatever it's like it's very very like oh these are like like it's very played by the the old rules of like gender roles etc etc and on the one hand like i'm actually a little conflicted because on the one hand,

I will be someone who will say, you know, a man should never talk to a woman that way. That's totally rude, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is the same thing. But at the other time, when I see someone being like, that's a man discussion. Are you a man?

Are you a woman? I'm like, shut up. That's like so old fashioned. Like, that's terrible. You shouldn't be talking like that, you know? But what can I say? I'm just a walking ball of contradictions. I think there's a difference when,

when it's like Beverly Hills, when, uh, Joyce's husband kind of stuck up for his wife or whatever, he wasn't getting in anyone's face, you know, or like when Ken did it, he wasn't really up in anybody's face necessarily.

Like they were kind of okay about it. But when you're Peter, Peter does it in a way, first of all, he's drunk, so you don't he's bleary-eyed, he's always bloodshot, doing drugs, and drunk. Okay, so that's pretty obvious from being on the couch. I mean, imagine if you could smell the guy. So he's right in front of your face

and he's like, no, no, listen here, this is what I'm trying to say, this is what, it's like that guy's just kind of, you don't know what he's gonna do and it is kind of threatening having his ass in your face. And he's like, no, no, listen here. This is what I'm trying to say. This is what – it's like that guy is just kind of – you don't know what he's going to do. And it is kind of threatening having his ass in your face. And he is always – and he's always starting shit amongst the women. He really is. Now, this is a part where I get conflicted because on the one hand, I do want to say like, you know what? He loves gossiping.

He loves being like a lady, which I think the reason why that bothers me is more because he is the first one to make all these pompous statements about, like, men, you know, like, men gotta handle it the men way. We gotta do things the men way. We gotta stay together. We don't get involved in women's affairs. Women just natter away. I'm like, no, Peter, you natter away. You get involved.

And I love that by the end of the episode, all the women were calling him, like, basically a bitch and saying that he's away like no peter you natter away you get involved and i love that by the end of the episode all the women were calling him like basically a bitch and saying that he's like a woman and they call him patricia now like i love that because you know that pisses him off yeah and you're not only nattering and gossiping with the women you're living off a woman's salary who's doing this for a living while you're selling everything and spending all of her money and like not able to make anything on your own and you've been divorced like 20 times and you have like 30 children shut up yeah i mean you just have to point to the whole cordell stewart thing when he went and visited cordell that was truly him

getting involved in the ladies issues i mean that was above and beyond you know than what he normally does to be honest you know one of the one of the big fights in this episode was that greg was did not like that peter um sounded off on nini about that charity situation a few weeks ago i have to say to be honest that i didn't think peter was that bad in that situation i thought he was just telling you need like you know i think it's i think what you're doing is like not right you know i thought he was he was i don't think he was really up in her he was like standing next to her but i didn't think he was like up in her face in the classic style up to her and been been like no you just in the place for that that's ridiculous you know if he'd done that then that would have been one thing but she was the one who came up to him and was you get like lumbering in his face i mean that

woman is like a green giant and she's like in her face you know of course he's gonna get a little defensive and he stayed pretty calm yeah i listen i hate peter and i'm i'm actually on his side on that situation well it's really hard to be on any side in anything because nini is a horrible human being she is she really is really hard to root for nini in anything it's like oh you got a sitcom hope it gets canceled you got on dancing with the stars hope you break something like there's no one i don't think has any goodwill towards me i think the fun in watching nini is hoping that someone finally takes the baseball bat to her yeah well that'll be marlo but you know i have to say with peter because peter is obviously one of the dumbest house

husbands that there is out there and uh he to me it was like it was all it all came together in this one moment this episode when they were on the beach and kenya was doing an impersonation of nini i think and she's like she starts strutting around and just like this one little moment peter just goes you're funny did you catch that when he said that yeah i forgot about it till right now right now. I wanted to record it, but it wasn't clear enough. It wouldn't have recorded properly audio. But he's just like, you're funny. She's really funny on this show. She is really so funny.

And that's why she can get away with anything. I mean, her whole like, listen, I got 99 problems, but a dick ain't one. Yeah. Kenya's killing it this season. Last season, she was, like, crazy and hateable. And this season, she's not necessarily likable, but she's been so slick. Like, she knows that she's like, well, I want to, like, win this one. So I'm going to be nicer than Nini and let Nini be the one that people hate.

And it's working. She's really good at manipulation. I mean, she's the first person you know i've said that i've said it before but she's the first person who's ever gotten neenie you know looking like an idiot without even knowing why you know she's really got she's really manipulated neenie into a corner and it is awesome i mean sheree has broken her where she's made her sheree and kim have both broken her but it's not hard to make me mad, but it is hard to like,

get her to look like a total fool without even understanding what just happened. You know? Yeah. Well, more importantly to get the audience to turn against you. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the Kenya. I mean, she's doing a great job. Nini's horrible. And she has been for the past few years. Her ego is so out of control what is her new thing to oh it's dancing with the stars i already said it oh celebrity apprentice brandy is going to be on and who else uh kenya oh lord kenya okay that's what i'm thinking of

because we're talking about kenya my brain um so uh um the other thing i was gonna say is so kenya decided to do a uh like a redo of couples night which is hilarious and she's like she's like okay everyone like this time the questions are not gonna be bringing the drama they're just like nice questions it's like the plot the first question was like what's something that annoys you about other people here in this room it's like who do you hate and why if you can have sex with anybody's husband right here right now who would it be and then and then actually so the nini at one point she's like well todd or she's like candy you said this or that whatever i forget what it was that she had a complaint with candy about the menopause thing right no nini went straight for phaedra and was like i don't like fakeness phaedra i'm no not phaedra it was candy she said because candy made a comment about like menopause she started oh

sorry oh ignorance you're right that's right sorry with porsche ignorant and i don't like that comment you made about whatever it was. I don't even remember. It's like Nini. If you just let Nini go, she'll just tell everybody off. And then she moved to Todd. And by the way, when she says ignorance, I'm like, oh, she's going to grill Portia for thinking that the Underground Railroad was a real railroad. No, no, no. She's going to grill her about something really small and stupid instead. Yeah. And aren't you the one who keeps calling people queen as a criticism? Like, let's not be throwing the ignorant guy.

And I have to say, actually, that, I mean, I guess what Portia said was sort of ignorant. But I would not have used ignorant in that way. I would have said I don't like people who generalize, you know? said it was sort of ignorant um but i i would not have used ignorant in that in that way i would i would have said i don't like people who generalize you know what you say i forgot what what porsche was accused of saying she's like she's like well my ideal lover would like i like it wild because i don't like an old guy who's gonna be like slow and then then everyone's like well of course nini got really defensive because greg is like 105 years old and so nini's like we keep it freaky whatever um i like all this dialogue i'm just like creating for these women that was never said like we keep it freaky child um but

so then so she goes after sip the stripper and stole stole some man who had multiple children from his wife. I mean, that's not something to make fun of. That's ignorant. Shut up, Nini. So then she goes on to Candy because Candy made a comment about, oh, you're still getting your period. And then Nini is getting all pissed. Somehow that qualifies as ignorance.

And she's like, I still have my flow thank you very much like nini like you're a lunatic right now but then what i liked was that todd made a very reasonable statement where he said you know sometimes it's about delivery you know sometimes if someone says something nicely you'll have a better or whatever like like sometimes if you if you talk down to someone people are not going to respond as well. That was essentially what he's trying to say. And he's like, well, it's not, it's not my fault if you can't interpret me correctly. Like, no, that's exactly your fault. It's not up to the audience.

You're supposed to deliver your message to the audience interprets it correctly. You're not supposed to leave it up to, you're not like E.E. Cummings leaving your words up for interpretation. Yeah. This isn't poetry, bitch. It's a housewife. Yeah. And that, by the way, was my way of making something a little highfalutin in this low-down dirty episode. Turn this into a literary show. Thank you. I know. Well, I'm just

like a Carol Radzowal. You know, I heard E.E. Cummings had a ghostwriter. My God, do you have experience as a writer? All you do is write letters in strange ways that doesn't make you a poet so then everybody starts going off on everybody where did this even lead i don't remember didn't it somehow lead into phaedra well because then what happened was the men and the women separated the men went up to their room to do whatever and then it was like um kenny was like i just want to leave everything in mexico

so she basically was like so phedra let's talk about the elephant in the room phedra which was a really funny double entendre um elephant in the room fate yeah so uh uh so then phedra is basically just comes out swinging she's like like, Kenya, more whore? Get off my man, basically. Kenya, poor whore. Poor whore. She had all sorts of different variations. Poor whore, more whore, more poor.

And then they start to fight, right? Yeah. And then they start doing this thing like, you will never understand because you're not married. Which was kind of patronizing, I thought. Yeah. But then they just yelled. Well, the best part in all this was watching that marriage just get worse and worse.

Because it's horrible. And supposedly the only reason they're married is because he's one of her henchmen and they can't testify against each other. So it's really funny watching her keep that personality in check And supposedly the only reason they're married is because he's one of her henchmen and they can't testify against each other. Right. So it's really funny watching her keep that personality in check and not going godfather on his ass because you know that that's what she's about to do. And you know when they're in private she beats him. Like there's – because she is just seething and he knows that she's not – he's like a little kid. He's like, you can't beat me in the grocery store, so I gonna throw things on the ground you know you need a little bit of laughter in your life you know the laughter yeah he's like hey hey come on why are you so mad baby come on baby why

are you so mad at me baby come on baby let's go to the coffins which are caves that are on the ground so she well first she sees him with kenya or whatever and goes off storms off to her room and doesn't have a key so he's like what are you doing, storms off to her room and doesn't have a key. So he's like, what are you doing, baby? And she's like, I don't have a key to get in. She talks so slow. She's like, I don't have a key to get in the room. And he's like, well, go get one.

Yeah, real chivalrous. He not only leaves her sitting there, the mother of his children. He not only leaves her sitting there uh the mother of his children he not only leaves her sitting there he doesn't get her a key and at first refuses to even call somebody to get her a key yeah what the hell and you know apollo i hope you can hear this because this is why you're going to prison um phaedra never would have turned you in had you acted like a decent husband but phaedra has all the evidence in your name and everybody knows it and the second you misbehave she's gonna have your ass getting slammed in the slammer bye fuck with the godfather no don't you dare don't you dare thrown in jail right um so let's see so um let's see that so that basically those are the two

fights the women fought and then the men fought, right? Okay, so what happened was essentially Greg said, I got a problem with you. I got a problem. And so this whole thing with Peter, he said, if you got an issue with Nini, come to me. Don't get in Nini's face.

And then they started to fight and yell because Peter is incapable of just saying okay all right okay even though peter was in the right that was hilarious they were just two old men fighting over a lawnmower bumping their pot bellies together what you ever say something about my woman you say it to me oh man come on now man that ain That ain't right. Dude, what up, man? That's a me. You say that's a me, not my wife. It's like, oh, my God.

And they just circled each other doing that, making no sense for five full minutes. And poor Greg was just getting more and more mad. Yeah. And by the way, I love it. He goes, don't check me, Todd. But the funny thing was the whole thing was like if a woman has an issue with the man, the woman talks to the woman and the man talks to the man. So what happens? The woman come in, this whole thing, like everyone's like, why are you guys fighting?

And then what does Nini do? She goes right up to Peter and starts being like, you're a bitch. You're a bitch. So she completely violated everything that Greg was apparently fighting for. She's so hilarious i love that part where she's like no peter you are a bitch you need to mind your own business which i do you know i do agree with her yeah i agree i mean i agree and it's sort of hilarious because calling someone like peter a bitch is like really one of the worst things you could call him because

that's like it it's it calls his masculinity into question it calls just everything and uh so i did love peter getting cut down that way but um nini was wrong yeah um well that's one of the most fun shows on tv i laugh every single time and i don't have too much to say critical about it because I just laugh and laugh every time it's on. And it's the best one to go on like Tumblr or something after because everyone is making the funniest gifs. You know, making the funniest pictures and stuff based on that show. It's so good. You don't even have to make anything up. You can just quote them for hours and hours.

See now, Riley, she loves Tumblr. I'm like, see now, Riley riley why you like tumblr so much oh i'm so i'm so modern i'm like wow tumblr came out 20 years ago i'm like wow guys look a picture that moves so are there any other shows on the old brahms yeah i mean i watched the uh blood sweat and heels reunion which was pretty, but at the same time they kind of were going over stuff. They didn't get anywhere. It was just yelling.

The most interesting thing that came out of it was to learn that Brie used to have a very hardcore Long Island accent, and she lost it, so I thought that was cool. You know, it's weird. I would be interested to see how season two shapes up. Because now they really all hate each other. Which is always the best place to be in after season one of a show.

Well, I mean, I know this sounds weird. Because we talk about Housewives shows all the time. But they don't even like each other. They have nothing in common. I don't want to watch them anymore. Like, I was done after the second episode. Did they get picked up? Probably.

I mean, the show does really well. I mean, that's why they had a reunion. I don't get it. The weird thing is that of all the people on that show, the one who comes off the best is Melissa Ford. Who would have ever thought? Yeah, she comes off as totally classy and wonderful. She's great, and she kept her cool the whole time.

Of course, no one was really going after her all that hard, except calling her basically saying like, she's still taking money to be a hoe. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. All right. Well,

I think that pretty much sums it all up. I don't think there's anything else really to, to dive into one of those housewife awards. Oh, they were already, they already happened. Oh yeah. They weren't on TV.

I don't think, I think maybe he just announced them on watch what happens or something. There's a whole, do you want me to read them? No, put them on our Facebook page. Um, yeah, someone do that. We'll, we'll share. We don't even want to do it. Um, but yeah. Okay, cool.

So I'll see you next time. Are there any shows that we should be watching this week? Is there anything new coming on? Cause I don't even want to do it. But yeah. Okay, cool. So I'll see you next time. Are there any shows that we should be watching this week? Is there anything new coming on? Because I don't see the commercials. I don't think so. Let's see. Million Dollar Listing is next week. New York.

I'm not going to watch it, though. Well, I'm also, by the way, I'm going to Chicago on Saturday. And so I actually don't think I'll be able to watch any of the shows. And, Ronnie, you may have to get a co-host to fill in for me next week. What? No. No. So you can just do that.

Okay, great. Thanks. And I guess I will speak to all of you people in two weeks. Yeah. So do your little outro, Benji. Yeah. So dear little outro, Banjin. Okay. So everyone, thanks for listening. Be sure to like us on Facebook.

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