Watch What Crappens - #2551 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S01E01 Part One: Swingin’ Ick(Tok)

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

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Guys, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is upon us. It is a Hulu show about the secret, not so secret lives of Mormon wives, and they dropped all episodes at once, which means it's kind of rough for us to talk about because we're watching it not all episodes at once. So we haven't, I don't know how it ends. So we don't have fully formed opinions on the entire thing, like a lot of you will, which puts us at a weird disadvantage. Also as weeks go on, you know, listenership drops,

because you guys are excited for it for one weekend when you binge it. And then after that, it's like, who cares? So we don't know that we're gonna do this whole thing, but we definitely wanted to recap the first episode because wow, what a show. What a show, Ben. What a show.

Listen, it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what MomTalk thinks. And honestly, this episode that Ron and I are recording right now is to prove that we can change people's perceptions of what two gay men can be, and we're gonna do it through mom talk. So are you all with me?

Put your hand in the middle. Three, two, one, mom talk. Mom talk, mom talk. Oh my God, this show is great. I'm fighting the patriarchy with stationary dances on TikTok with my friends. Also, I'm gonna fight the patriarchy by letting all of my friends blow my husband, and then I'm gonna blow their husbands too.

I'm gonna fight the patriarchy by letting the men fuck whoever they want. Sound fun? This show is great. It's hilarious. I was cracking up through, I watched the first two episodes. I was cracking up through all of it. It's so amazing how like it's so it's wild. It's a really wild show. It's hilarious how they really feel like what they're doing

on mom talk is so important. And then also funny how they're all like 12 years old and they all have kids. And they also talk about how they want to change our ideas of like what being a modern woman is in the Mormon church. And yet for all their interviews, they're dressed like they're pioneers. So I'm like, it's great. It's a great show. And they all look the same for the most part. There's so much to unpack here, as they would say on Yobrah. There is. Let's start the unpacking, shall we? So we see someone in a pink dress sitting for an interview. Turns out to be Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

I'm waiting to see. Which is one person, by the way. Taylor, Frankie, Paul is just one person, it's not three people. Yeah, it's not like three little boys in a house who are being called for dinner. Taylor Frankie Paul, Taylor Frankie Paul, Taylor Frankie Paul, God damn it! It is a girl.

In our preview, we discussed that she kind of dances teeth forward, she's very teeth forward. She is very young and has already gotten reality star Chompers. She's got like, she's got season two chompers. And that's how we know that this cast is dedicated. They showed up for reality TV with season two everything. Season two faces, she even has her season two boobs. She just got new boobs, but then she said herself. She got season two teeth. Whitney, her bitch flower has already bloomed. That usually doesn't happen until season two.

I mean, this cast is really, they've come prepared. Well, in some ways, they've already had their season one. It just didn't happen on Hulu. It happened on TikTok. Whitney, in her season one, she already finished the season by moving to Hawaii. And then she starts season two of her life by moving right back, because there's a TV show that's going to be filmed.

So whatever plans they had to move to Paradise and avoid troubles at home. They're like, but there's cameras from Hulu there, so we're going back to Utah. So they kind of are already in, like they've already had a season of their lives under their belts. Yes. But we're old-er, so we don't know any of that. We didn't follow it. I never heard a mom talk. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And everybody, they show us these headlines all over the screen. They're like, oh, swingers, soft swingers,

which I love that fucking Utah even has soft swinging. Like, were soft drinks not enough? You had to like, make swinging more boring too. You know what I mean? So yeah, we see all these news things. And then the producer is like, so Taylor, tell us how a couple of Mormon moms getting together, make TikToks, suddenly turns into this crazy swinging sex scandal. And then Taylor's like really uncomfortable and we start to hear that Sam Smith song, which was in my head for the entire rest of the day up until this very moment as well.

Yeah, they're like, Sin, it's Sam Smith, which, you know, I don't know if I think was it on the Grammys or something they did a performance of this and it was like, Sam Smith, which, you know, I don't know if I think was it on the Grammys or something, they did a performance of this and it was like Sam Smith in a bodysuit with fire everywhere and horns. It's like Satan, you know, they're like Satanic. Yes, we're gonna really get a, we're not only doing soft swinging, we're doing like soft heavy metal, Sam Smith's new album. doing like soft heavy metal Sam Smith's new album. So Taylor's like, it started so innocent, you know, me and all these moms, we were just like filling the same thing.

Oh, and also we get the filling and building on the show because we're in Utah. Going to jail. Yes, going to what? Going to jail. That's when you get arrested, you go to jail. Yeah, you go to jail. That's when you get arrested. You go to jail. So yeah, they, it's like the,

this is like Whitney Rose like on crack with the fillings and hillings. So basically this Whitney is like, I grew up in a glass box thing that everybody looks this way. And we see them in there there like these blue coats, which I don't know if that's like a Mormon thing or that's just an outfit they put on for the show. Someone on Reddit, Hi Reddit, said they think that is a nod to the Handmaid's Tale, which the Handmaid's Tale isn't really about empowerment. So I'm not, this one they're really trying to sell for empowerment and that's not really what, well, I guess Handmaid's Tale ultimately is, you know, they are definitely fighting it.

So I don't know, how do we look at the Handmaid's Tale? Okay, discuss. So then, Michaela, so we're just interviewing all the different ladies, you know, and Whitney's like, I just grew up thinking everybody in the world is Mormon. And then we see a girl named Michaela and she's like, we have so many rules to follow. No swearing, no piercing or no, you're allowed, I guess, one piercing, no caffeine, no alcohol, no tattoos, your body's a temple. And I was like, Oh God. So it's like Weight Watchers basically, you know, minus the tattoos part. And that was Michaela spelled M-I-K-A-Y-L-A.

And now we go to Macy spelled M-A-Y-C-I. She goes, we're not supposed to have sex before marriage, which oops. And we go back to Michaela and she's like, yeah, have kids by the time you're 21 or in my case 16. And we see a photo of her at 16 having like a baby and like a baby Bjorn and little teenage Michaela is like, oh my God, what the fuck am I supposed to do the rest of my life? Yeah, she's so pretty to be having a baby. I mean, it's just you feel for her.

I'm like, just come on, do something else. It's no baby, no baby, other things. It's too young. No offense, Meemaw, because my Meemaw had my mom at 16. It's rough. It's a rough road. So although it doesn't seem like it here, she's like, it was great. So then Taylor's like, yeah, the moms like love the foundation of our church, like love, family, service. And they're like, yeah, we're supposed to be like examples

of higher living. But for a lot of us following the rules of the Mormon religion, it's just, But for a lot of us, following the rules of the Mormon religion is just, it's impossible. And Taylor says, we were raised to be these housewives for the men serving their every desire. Well, I'm like, fuck this. So I created Mom Talk, the ultimate expression of rebellion. Yeah. And then it's just girls dressed in lululemon doing dances. We see a lot of them.

Fighting the man. One lulu outfitmon doing dances. You know, we see a lot of them fighting the man. One outfit at a time. She's like, yeah, it started as a group of Mormons, like making TikToks. And there was just something so freeing about it. It was like a dancing, which is freeing, but you couldn't like dance freely because like that takes too much space. You just have to dance like in this much space, mostly with your arms. You have to stay vertical. Yeah. It was very freeing dancing in such a confined ratio. So then we meet Jesse who says, when it comes to the Mormon scale,

there's definitely a wide range. Like some are more Mormon than others, but in mom talk, I don't feel like we should be judging people whether they go to church every Sunday or not, wearing their special underwear, reading their special books. Wow. You're really turning everything upside down. And Jen's like, yeah, we're a new generation of Mormon women. We have a platform that the generation before us didn't have. And then we see a TikTok of her dancing with her husband, presumably. And they're like, yeah, we're powerful women. We're

changing stigma of gender roles in the Mormon culture. We're gonna let our husbands have sex with more women. I was like, wait a minute, guys, you're going backwards in the Mormon culture. I know you're doing it like on TikTok now, but Mormon is the religion of polygamy. You guys are like, we're gonna really change things. We're rolling it back to polygamy time.

But now you don't have to marry him. You know what, in the olden days, if you made a TikTok, you had to be dressed like Sarah Plain and tall. But now we're wearing athleisure. That's right, we're changing it all up. Guys, we didn't have TikTok back then. Shoot, we didn't even hear TikToks. They weren't allowed watches.

Very puritanical back in the day. Back in 1862, what they would do is they would take some logs and they would just put them up in a frame. That way it was like a nine by 16 window surrounded by logs. And you go in between them and just dance. But now we show we can do it on a phone. Yeah, and so they're talking about like becoming famous overnight basically and gaining zillions of followers.

Macy is like, I think I have like 1.5 million followers or something like that. That's how I could afford these contacts. She's wearing like these piercing blue contacts with these little tiny dots for pupils, which she can kind of peek out of. And it just makes her look terrifying. Not that the blue eyes look so crazy on her, but I guess it's that your pupil never moves. So it's like no matter how bright or how dark it is, your pupils are just always the same, you know? And it ends up being terrifying because they're kind of presenting Macy as kind of one of the dorkier ones. Or like, I think that's what they're going for. That's what I'm getting is that she's kind of one of the dorkier ones, she talks her teeth a lot lot and she's like more innocent, but I think

she's going to turn out to be kind of evil as it goes on. I feel like Macy is going to be the one who's friends with everyone. She's like the go-between between the two groups that kind of start to split, like start to happen by the end of episode two. By the way, I cannot but wonder, do we think that like Lisa Barlow is at home right now doing mom talks of herself? She's like, yeah, I'm like a cool mom talk as well. Hey, doing a little dance for this for you, Jack. Yeah. Well, this is the time that yeah, everybody was doing those on the Instagram, all the way because it was during the pandemic, you know, so everybody started doing these online. You'd be like, Hey, I wonder what she knows that old. Well, she's doing a tick tock. She's doing a tick

tock dance. That's what she's doing. Hey, Mom Talk. So anyway, Michaela says, well, yeah, I probably have like two million followers. I love that. I love Mom Talk. Yeah, I probably have like two million followers. And then it just turned into,

this whole group is swinging with each other. Yeah, just note natural progression. Like we went viral. We all started fucking each other. Wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Rewind. I have the video up in front of me so I can see everybody because there are like so many white people. It's like when you are standing in the grocery aisle trying to pick a flower and you're like, these are all the

same, but you know they're not. And like some of them have like slightly different graininess, like how many times have I Googled Bob's Red Mill in my life? That's what I felt like watching this show. Yeah, like the line between Demi and Jen is very difficult. Like which one is which? Yeah. So then Taylor is explaining it. She's like, well, we started having parties,

like really wild things ended up on Reddit because like one of the moms from MomTalk, like, oh my God, my blood was boiling when I saw it was on Reddit. Like, I mean, so finally I just had to get on TikTok Live and like there were like 50 or 60,000 people there and I exposed it. Okay, and then we see clips of her.

She's like, okay, so we would like have parties where like 50, you know, wait, I'm sorry. We would have like parties where there was like a group of us and then we would like get intimate with each other. And like it happened several times and we've all made out with the husbands and no one was innocent. Everyone's hooked up with like everyone. Well, you know what?

Yeah. That is not fair. And I can see why the girls are all mad at her. And she's telling us it was more like orgies, you know, and it just kind of blew up. Yeah, it kind of blew up. But I don't think that's fair where you go have orgies and then you go out everybody the orgy like it's supposed to be sick. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think it's up to you to do that. And yeah, I totally understand if I was like in that orgy and I'm like, I don't want like, I don't think our brand needs to know about our orgy Taylor.

So then everyone's phones start ringing and it's like, all of a sudden my phone started like blowing up and I'm like, what's happening? And then Whitney's like, Utah is like a small town and we couldn't go anywhere. Rumors being made about my family and Taylor's like, it was painful. It was awful. And then Demi goes, and at this point, I'm like, can mom talk even survive this? So they're like, if you think that was crazy, wait till you see what happens now. And then we see montage of what's coming this season. One is

the girls are at a male strip club and then someone's making out in a hot tub and people are crying. Then it cuts back to Taylor and she goes, holy fuck. And then we get the opening curse. Yeah, that curse. I love. I enjoy the show. I just curse. You guys, you just tuned in and saw Mormon say the F word.

Yeah, we're changing everything. I don't know. Can Mom Talk even survive the F word? It's an existential question for our times. Fuck the patriarchy. Yeah, I're changing everything. I don't know, can mom talk even survive the F word? It's an existential question for our times. Fuck the patriarchy, yeah, I said fuck. So then we go to... I did notice by the way that several of them would say fa. Like they wouldn't actually say fuck.

They would be like, I'm like, what the fa? So we see the opening and here are their names. Whitney, Michaela, Jen, Jesse, Layla, Demi, Macy and Taylor. Sounds about right. Jesse, Jen, I remember, cause that's Jen Affleck. And then there's Demi, I remember. I think Jesse, Jesse's the one with the

Jizzbill boards, I think, right? I think she is. I think so. Yeah, because it would be either her or Jen or is Jen the one? I don't know. I think Jen is the one who dresses like a little old fashioned doll, but is 22 years old. So the first scene we get is a coffee meeting. It's the housewives, we've just fought for a season, let's regroup and see who's still friends. So we have Taylor, Frankie, Paul meeting up with, who's this Macy? Okay. So they meet up and we see a little bit about Macy and her husband looks like a doll, a living doll. I don't even know if he's living actually, cause I just see his picture here, he's not moving. And he is like, he looks like a tooth commercial

and an eyebrow commercial. He looks like a commercial for general whiteness. Like if you were trying to sell whiteness to somebody, you'd be like, hey, do you need someone to offer you like free checks from a bank? It's this guy. Yeah. So basically, so Taylor sits down with Macy and Taylor's

like talking about, she's also talking, introducing herself to us. She goes, I'm Taylor, Frankie Paul. I'm 28. I am from Salt Lake City, Utah. I was like a really wild child. Like I did it all, you know, partying, drinking, saying the F word, nothing was off limits. One time I played an R rated video game while drinking a Coke. So, watch the far out, okay bra? So she's like, right after high school, I got married in the temple and I was like being pressured to about the church and my mom, you know, because she knew that Tate and I were having sex before marriage. So, you know, I just like had a hard time like finding my voice.

Yeah. And then we see a photo of Taylor and Tate and he's in a beanie and then she goes mom talk. It started with four girls, Whitney, Macy, Michaela and I. And when we see like some momTalk stuff and she's like, ever since this swing scandal though, I've been like really trying to keep it a low profile and I haven't seen the girls in months. So I'm like really excited. So it's the classic like, oh no,

the prodigal daughter has returned. No, she's been outcast, but can she come back to MomTalk? Will they welcome her back? Will MomTalk survive? So Macy is talking about being from Orange County, and she's like, yeah, I tell everyone I'm from California, so they know I'm cool. Okay, here's kind of how I know

who this whole cast is right off the bat, because I love to read signs as they come up on TV, and this is one for the coffee shop that they're at. It says, maybe coffee is addicted to me. And I feel like that describes this show. It's too intense. It's like, you can have caffeine, it's not your fault, it's the coffee's fault. So yeah, Macy, I was gonna call her Casey, is gonna get in trouble. She's like, yeah, basically I've been married to my husband for five years and we have two kids

and I'm a bad bitch, that's who I am. Sounds like a wow. Like wow, you're a bad bitch. So she's like, it's just, it's so great to see Taylor. I haven't seen her in so long because I've been busy doing bad bitch things. You know, and since all the drama came out, like being a swinger and exposing everything, I'm just like excited to get together and start mom talk back up like the bad bitch I am.

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because I'm literally not gonna stop talking once I start. So how are you and that white guy you married? And she's like, Jacob? This is your window. She goes, Jacob? Oh my God, like I feel like Jacob like never initiates like sex. Do you talk to him about it or do you just bore me with it?

No, it's like really like, it's like in depth and like maybe I feel like I should, but like, what do I do? Or like don't just like put on lingerie and like walk around the house. Like, I'm like a bad bitch. Bad bitches shouldn't have to do that. Yeah, I'm like a bad bitch and he's just a bitch.

Like, I don't even understand. Like, who doesn't want this? Like, what am I supposed to do? Walk around in laundry? I just don't get it. Okay, check out a site called shonkody.com and realize that your husband is at least 50 of those guys. Then get back, then question it a little bit more later.

Repression! So Taylor does the, okay, I think I don't want to talk about this anymore by saying, I feel like you should talk to him about it and be like, this is how I feel. Cause they can't read our minds. Unfortunately, solve that. Should we talk about me now? Yeah. Just tell them how you feel. You. You want more sex. He needs to understand how you feel. She's like, okay. He can't read our minds and he shouldn't have to because he's a man. We should read their minds. Okay. So why don't you ask me about me?

You know, it's a huge turn on to guys talking about your feelings. That's what you write down. Total hard-on makers. So Taylor's like, oh, Dakota, he's like my new boyfriend. We met on good old Instagram. He's very charismatic, he's charming, and he's very attractive. And then we see photos of him, and he's, you know, literally every other guy on the show. Generic, very generic.

Yeah. And his eyes were like bugging out. So Taylor's like, he asked me to be his girlfriend. And then we got into like a big fight the next night. Wait. So when you fought, like, what was he getting mad at you about? Oh, um, well, cause I drank and then I like, I, I drank some more and then some more after that. Did you get drunk? She's like, yeah, it was my fault. Like I a hundred percent admit that. Okay. So this? She's like, yeah, it was my fault. Like I 100% admit that. Okay. So this is this is this girl. She's a train wreck. And she fucks up on purpose so that she can go, Oh my God, totally admitted it's my fault. She's like a Jax in the way that

she loves to confess. So she does a lot of bad things so that she can confess. Yes. And we know she's a train wreck because of her hair in the interviews. This is before episode two when she was pregnant and her hair is just more conservative. But here the hair is just like, it's up and going in all these different directions. I've been trying to place what it is. Is it like Rae-Anne from My So-Called Life? I don't think it is that. It's just like, it's going in all these different ways. It's like combed over.

And it's almost like if someone took the Kate Gosselin. It's just like, it's going in all these different ways. It's like combed over and it's like, it's almost like if someone took the Kate Gosselin and let it grow free, it's like, this is what it would ultimately turn into. So she's like, yeah, like he's like, I think I'm just scared to like you, you know, because like a lot goes with me, you know, like there's me and then there's my kids and then there's my situation. And then there's my situation and then there's my situation and then there's my situation that just came out, right? Which I was totally responsible for and totally rained that down on everybody myself. Whoa, totally take responsibility for that. Sorry. But also this

guy I can already tell is a complete douchebag and probably a user and abuser because he contacted you on Instagram because you're fucking famous. You've got 2 million followers. He's contacting you to hook up with you and then guilting you for the life you lead. When he's seen your life very plainly, that's how he hooked up with you in the first place. Do not trust this man. No, don't. And she's like, there's like a side of me that's like, should I be single? For me to like grow out of my 20s, like having fun.

Like I just got out of this relationship. Like I got to get all that out of my 20s, like having fun? Like I just, I just got out of this relationship. Like I got to get all that out of my system like that. I've been wanting and Macy's like, yeah, I think the question is from like one bad bitch to a lesser bad bitch, but a bitch nonetheless, like, do you want to do this? It's because well, we have a lot of trust issues. I won't lie. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, does he have like a lot of trust issues, I won't lie. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, does he have a lot of trust issues because of your past? You being like a SLUT, you know what I'm saying? And she's like, yeah, he has trust issues,

but I have trust issues too, like with him. And we just ignore that. And she goes, and then, which I wanna know that. What are the trust issues with him? What did he do? But the friend's just like, yeah, you're a slut, right? So she was like, yeah. And we have trust issues because like we started off on a rocky start because like, okay, look, we posted this TikTok together and then things came out on Reddit. Then we see their stupid

TikTok and all these girls come on a Reddit and they're like, oh my God, he was just banging my roommate. So. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of girls are saying like, oh, he was with my roommate last week or this or that. It's like, ugh. Like now I'm like, I don't know if I can even trust you. You know? I'm like, yes, that's when you can say, I can't trust you.

Oh yeah. Like he's literally already cheating on you and then getting on there to get some fucking TikTok follows. This guy's a douche. So then Macy, of course, never want to ask an important question. The girl just told you, she met a guy on Instagram and then a Reddit spread started breaking out

talking about how he's fucking everybody in town. And Macy goes, oh, so you like drama in your relationship, huh? You like it? No. Yeah, you do. I don't like drama, Macy. You like it. You do. No, but. I don't like drama. You like it.

You do. No, but I do. You like it. I do like that he's jealous though. Like, cause when someone's jealous, it means that they care. Yeah, you like it cause he cares. And she's like, mm, yeah, I guess I do. But like also I get scared cause like,

I'm three months out of my situation and I'm a month out of my divorce, which I also kind of caused. So like, do I need to chill? Because, like, he even asked me yesterday, he's like, are you open to getting, because she did cause, doesn't she tell us at one point that she, because when I said I caused that as well, I was like, did she cause her divorce? Did she say that she cheated on the husband? Or was she just like, fuck this, and she left?

I honestly don't remember, because there was like so much that was dropped on us. I'll take that back, because I don't know. But I just like the idea of this girl like lighting fires all over town and then being like, oh my God, there was a fire, which I totally caused that totally take responsibility. So it's been like really hard for me to get over the trauma of everything that I just did. But Taylor, so like, what did you say? I was like, yes, I was like, of course I want to get married.

Like I want to have more babies. That's like, I will do that. Like, that's my plan. And he's like, um, good to know. Yeah. Well, you better like make sure that he's the right one. Cause you're like TikTok famous. You're like a beautiful, you've got teeth, like brand new tombstones.

I mean, you've got like brand new tombstones. I mean, you've got everything. Yeah. And also like you can get anyone you want. Cause again, you're a TTF, TikTok famous. Okay. So I'm like, don't settle. Okay. I have, okay. So I haven't met Dakota yet personally. And like, I need to meet this guy.

Cause like, I need to see how his personality is. I mean, like spoiler alert, he seems kind of bland. I'm just going to say that bad bitch, sorry. But like, I want to see, guy because I need to see how his personality is. I mean, like, spoiler alert, he seems kind of bland. I'm just going to say that bad bitch. Sorry. But like, I want to see, like, I want to see like you, like what you see in him, you know, cause none of us can understand it, especially not Reddit. I'm sorry. Am I being too honest right now?

I just feel like we're just kind of similar. She's like, yeah, I feel like we're similar. Um, no. Yeah. We're like totally the same. Yeah. I don't think so. We're like literally like we look the same.

We don't, I'm hotter. Yeah. We're like the same. I'm a better dancer. Like we dance the same. Yeah, I don't think so. We're like literally like we look the same. We don't, I'm hotter. Yeah, we're like the same. I'm a better dancer. Like we dance the same. No, I'm better. This is getting a little tense. I feel like you're about to say some honest truths about me. So let's talk about someone else.

Yeah, let's talk about Whitney. Okay, I heard Whitney, she's moving back. She's like coming back tomorrow. Did you know that, Taylor? And Taylor's like, why would Whitney come back? Because you're on a TV show, what the hell do you think? Of course, Whitney's like, should I stay in the witness protection program

in this glorious vacation town I moved to? Or, no, do I stay in literal paradise of Hawaii? Or do I go back to cold, cold Salt Lake City so I could be on TV. TV it is. So Macy's like Whitney is part of the OG mom talk. And then we see a montage of Whitney and she actually says, yeah, Whitney likes to be like leader of the clan type. Leader of the clan.

What an awesome word. Less phrasing to choose What awkward. I know. Let's phrasing to choose for this show. I know. So, Macy goes, I honestly thought that when she left to Hawaii, I was like, I feel like she's going to get a FOMO and want to come back. I mean, hello, do they have a Kuchina Toscana in Hawaii? I don't think so. And Taylor's like, wait a minute.

So, are they moving back or are they just visiting? She goes, yeah, they're moving back. They bought a house sight unseen. I was like, what is this, teenage marriage? I honestly, I don't even know the real reason why they went there to begin with. Maybe she'll tell us. And Taylor's like, yeah, So I will be seeing her then. Yeah. And by the way, she brought up the video again. And then we see like the famous TikTok

live that Taylor did that started all this drama. Yeah. And she's like, TikTok live swinging confession video. Tate and I are getting divorced. And I don't know what you would call it. It's like soft swinging, but you don't like fully switch. Cause we had an agreement, like all of us. And I don't know what you would call it. It's like soft swinging, but you don't like fully switch because we had an agreement like all of us and like I stepped out of that agreement. Like, you're not supposed to actually stick it in the bum or the front front or the back. But you know, you're gonna have to come back another day to find out where it got stuck. Do we ever find out what I'm no she's like what I'm trying to say is we all made an agreement to go to Carvel, but I went to Ben and Jerry's instead. Okay, everyone was going soft. I went hard ice cream.

So Taylor is like, you know, I at least want to explain that to people. Like my husband wanted to share and he did want to open that up. So it was like, I caught feelings for a man that my husband welcomed into our house. Oh, so she does kind of talk about it. So yeah, she's like, well, he started it. So then she started having, but do we know who she started? Maybe I should just keep going through this. I don't think so, not yet.

So Taylor in her videos, like, yeah, no one was innocent. Everyone's hooked up with everyone in this group. No, that's not fair. You went to this orgy, then you took it too far past the rules of the open relationship, and now you're gonna out everybody else? That's not fair, ma'am. Nope.

Yeah. Boo. No. I'm not inviting you to my next orgy. Well, Macy is like, well, you know what, Whitney? What happens orgy coming next year? Oh my God, could you imagine? Way too lazy for that. We would just have, I think we would have the best orgy. It just, we probably wouldn't

be having sex. We'd just be all hanging out watching TV together. Yeah. But yeah, I think someone even says later in the show that, ew, swinging. I barely have enough energy for my husband as it is. Gross. I wouldn't do that. So then Macy's like, yeah, Whitney was like, I'm freaking pissed. And I was like, whew, because like, she just kept getting tagged in your video. And I think that's why she was upset. By the way, Macy just has this smile,

this really tight smile where she's like, she's telling her tiny little pupils that never move. And she's just like, Whitney hates you. And the reason is because she was getting tagged in videos. Mm hmm. So you're messing your relationship, right? You just like the attention. I think so. I think you just like it. You know what? Taylor used to be the face of mom talk. But once the whole controversy blew up, no one really knew what mom talk even stood for anymore. I mean, no one really

understood knew what it stood for in the first place, but now no one knew what it really stood for about anything. So it's just like a bunch of, it's like, is it just like a bunch of swingers or are we just like a bunch of Mormon women fighting the patriarchy? Was it ever, was it ever that clear? Was it, is there maybe a middle ground that we could explore? Cause I'm not sure if it was either one of the, it was probably actually the first thing,

just a bunch of swingers. Yeah. So now we see all the moms in someone's house making content. All right. They're creating content guys. They're making a TikTok. So Macy's like, yeah, mom talk is essentially a content creator house, except for we don't actually live together. It's not like a Snapchat house. It's like a TikTok house, but like not a TikTok house because we don't actually live together. It's not like a Snapchat house. It's like a tick tock house,

but like not a tick tock house because we don't all live in the same house. Yeah. Yeah. So these are like the, um, this is, this is like the hoy Ploy of mom talk. So, you know, you've got Whitney and you've got Taylor as the two people vying for mom talk. And now these are all the, these are the plebes that have been recruited onto the platform. And she's like, yeah.

You could say that, like, a lot of us on MomTalk look similar, but it's mostly because our forefathers have determined to keep our jeans clean. So, that's been pretty fun. We all have a similar style or similar look, to keep our jeans clean. So that's been pretty fun. We all have a similar style or similar look, but we're just going off based off of what's trending in our group. So, for instance, if Jesse wears a white shirt,

I'll wear a white shirt. It's just what's trending, guys. So we see them and she goes, she also goes, yeah, especially in Utah. Cause like, what can I say? There's a lot of white bitches here. So then we cut to all the white bitches doing a dance and stuff. And it's, they have some twerking in here. And I just, I guess, you know what, know your audience, you know, because there are like millions of people obviously here like, oh my God, I'm totally signed up to these white girls twerking and they're

doing great. But you know, for some of us who don't understand What's happening on our television screens? It's like do we need more white girls twerking? I feel like there's always that one stew on below deck There's that one white girl who's like I twerk and it's like having 20 of those on one show and we see them all trying to twerk and Poor Michaela. She's all the way in the back. When we did our trailer breakdown, we saw the scene and Michaela, like everyone's moving to the right,

she moves to the left, she is chronically out of beat, she cannot keep up and you just see her just trying to like, be like, wait, what's twerking? I just got the electric slide down last week, I can't move on to another dance step. They're like, please try Michaela. She's like, sorry. So then Macy's like, yeah,

when we appear in each other's videos, we get more likes and then we get more followers and we all benefit because we make more money. And which is why the most powerful one, the one with the most followers is the most powerful one. And I believe that's Taylor, Frankie, Paul. So she may have fucked everybody over, but they all have to be nice to her

because she has the most followers and they all want to get on her channel, right? Yeah, and so now they're all just like hanging out, being girlfriends, just like having that natural banter that comes from being in MomTalk. And like Demi pulls down the zipper on Jen's shirt and they're like, oh my God. And they're like, oh my God, your boobs.

They're like, your boobs are boobin'. The breasts are breasting. The zipper is zippering. I love this slang. And she's like nursing, that's why. One of the girls is like, oh my God, I'm like shocked at how low garmenting or like the breastfeeding garments are.

Like you have a little cleavage. Well, yeah, it's an entrance and an exit. You gotta whip that thing out. What do you want, a turtleneck? Yeah, it's an entrance and an exit. You got to whip that thing out. What do you want, a turtleneck? So they're all like, guys, let's go and get comfy. Okay, should we go to the white couch on this floor or the white couch on the second floor? Let's go to the second floor white couch. Okay, let's do that. So they all go actually to the living room and

they sit down to chat. And then Michaela's like, so, so as anyone talk to Taylor, yeah. Oh my God, she is like holding people at arm's length distance right now. So then we cut to Taylor who's going to her mom's house. Um, her mom's a character. Her mom, her mom was like, Oh my God, I'm going to be on Hulu. How can I look like Abby Lee Miller? Okay. Someone teach me all the rules. She really is Abby Lee Miller, like, at a con, like, ready to go. It's like a pashmina and some gold earrings

and then Abby Miller coated. She really is. So Taylor's like, yeah, I'm coming over to my mom's house today because I've had a secret and I've been holding onto it and I'm like so nervous about it. Like, cross my fingers, my mom doesn't kill me. Cross my fingers.

It's like huge, this is a secret. But I just want to say I totally take responsibility for whatever I did. Yeah. Her mom also, by the way, looks incredibly young. Like at least, at least in this scene, I was like, real, what? This is the mom. So Leon's like, Hey, what's going on? And she's like, Oh, nothing, mom. They're just like driving me nuts today. My kids. Okay, here's, here's a granola bar. Bye. So they basically have some small talk and everything. The mom's like, do I need to watch the kids again? You're going on a date? She's like, yeah, Dakota. And then the mom's like, Oh God, so you're starting to see Dakota more.

She goes, yeah, oh my God, mom, I didn't tell you you asked me to be my girlfriend. Sorry, my bad. Totally take responsibility for that. So funny story, Dakota and I made this TikTok of saying, should we date or should we not? And of course my mom goes on and gets in there and she's like, literally puts in a red flag emoji and it gets like a ton of likes. So I go and delete it and then she goes,

where'd my comment go? It had so many likes and I was like, oh my God, get off my TikTok mom. I demand to know where my comment went. And I was like, well, I made a TikTok and I asked people if I should like delete your comment or leave your comment. And then people were like, delete your comment. So I fucked my boyfriend on TikTok.

I'm sorry. My bad. I'd let the story get away from me. And then my mom said something weird, something about how Dakota is at the bottom of the pyramid this week. And I was like, I don't understand what you've been talking about, mom. Yeah. So I grew up in a brutal, honest family. So like, you guys are going to get to know my mom. Like I love her, but like she will be at the top of your comments. So she's like been very against Dakota. Like we shouldn't date, we shouldn't do this, we shouldn't do that. We shouldn't just like have a baby after knowing each other for like two weeks, yada, yada,

yada. You know, she's gonna tell the truth and she's gonna tell me how she feels. So she's like, so mom, do you still like watching my kids? And she's like, it's hard. They're hard. They're challenging, okay? But it could be with you more. And she's, well, I haven't 50% of the time,

like divorced parents do. I think she meant like with you and not with her. Yeah. It's like, you could actually take care of your own children sometimes. Taylor. She was like, I am an old lady. I am 37 years old. I can't do this. She's like, yeah, that is really old. I meant like early bird gets the worm meal special in 30 years. Need help.

Mom, do you think I'm a bad person for those mistakes that I did? I don't think you're a bad person. I just think that you've done bad things because you're a bad person. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're a bad person. I raised a little devil. I'm sorry, God. I don't think you're a bad person, but your grammar is terrible. So, have you talked to your bishop or the church about anything? Oh yeah, you know,

as we do. Like, you know, fuck a few people, talk about it on TikTok, go straight to the bishop. Like, did you see my TikTok? So she's like, no. And she goes, how come, Taylor? And she's like, I don't know. Because like, if they're going to like excommunicate me, I don't have time for that, mom. She's like, well, when you're out there soft swinging, what do you expect? You can't just soft swing without repercussions from the Lord. So, listen, I want you to go talk to the bishop and the entire temple about soft swinging. Okay. She struck him with her motor vehicle. She had been under the influence that she left him there. In January 2022, local woman Karen Reed was implicated in the mysterious death of her

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You can listen to Karen exclusively with Wondery+. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. So now we go back to the other girls talking on their white sofas and Jessie's like, you know what, with all the soft swinging, what does that even mean? Do you guys know what they did? And then Demi's like, I think they just did everything but sex. That's what I understand. And the girls are like, oh my God.

What does that mean? Like a world two. What does that even mean? And someone's like, yeah, oral. And she goes, yeah, it's like swapping in front of each other while you're standing next to each other. And they're like, oh my God. And these girls are like the clean girls. So they have like the dirty girls

who are the TikTok girls. And then they have like the clean girls who are like, oh my God, that is disgusting. But this is like the majority of them. So who, first of all, I feel bad for all these girls because they weren't included. Like they weren't, no one was like, you guys are hot, my husband wants to bang you, you know? And I feel kind of bad because, look, whether or not you want to go to a party, we all want to be invited, right? So I kind of feel bad for them about being excluded from the key party. But also who are the people who did the swinging? Was it just Taylor? Like who was it?

Yeah. I have no idea. I think the implication was that it was like Whitney and her man. And I don't know. I don't know who else, because Michaela is, Michaela was one of the founding women of this group. So I'm not sure which of these women are part of it, which one aren't. It's sort of like traitors where they're all just pretend like they're like, who here is a faithful and who here is a swinger. But I thought it wasn't Whitney because Whitney was like,

that ruined my reputation. I can't believe you would do that. Now everybody looks at us like we're swingers. And I was like, but are you swingers? Are you? Listen, I'm sure Whitney was not a swinger based on her totally not guilty conscience activity of moving to Hawaii.

Well, it's interesting, isn't it? Because she moves to Hawaii, which is like a vacation kind of a place where I'm sure like a lot of people go to get laid, which is, you know, it's not like you're moving to, I don't know, Alaska or something like that. And also she has this other guilty habit of changing her look in every scene. Like she's always got a different color hair, a different haircut. She looks like a totally

different person. She looks like she's in witness protection. And same with her husband. Like one scene he has like blonde long frosted tips and then the very next scene has got like no hair. Yeah, super weird. So then Jesse is like, scene, he has like blonde long frosted tips and then the very next scene, he's got like no hair. Yeah, super weird. So then Jesse is like, I just love that it's like, okay, we can do everything but sex, so it's fine. But it's like, no, you're still sucking someone's dick. And Macy's like, oh my god, oh my god, that is, you are like a bad, you're a bad bitch

too. And Jen's hiding her face in her hands. She's like, sorry, Jen, okay, I said it, sucking dick. Jen's like, oh my god, stop, please. You don't understand, I'm dressed like an 1835 doll in my interviews. I can't be here, be associated with the word sucking dick. So then we meet Jesse, and Jesse, Jesse's the one I said looked like Larry David's wife from Curb Your Enthusiasm. When I said that, I didn't know that she was RFK Junior's wife, did you?

Cheryl Hines. Cheryl Hines is married to RFK Junior. Yeah, the guy who was running for president, yeah. Cause then when he dropped out and then he said he was for Trump now and then everybody was like, fucking Cheryl Hines, dying of fire. And I was like, oh my God, I didn't even know that. I was like, why is everybody yelling at

Cheryl Hines the day that I saw her on a Mormon wives preview? Pete Slauson Cheryl Hines is like, oh my God, I'm married into the Kennedys. I can't believe I'm part of America's Camelot. And it's like, oh, you got RFK Jr. Sorry. The one that Landon from Southern Charm is stumping for. Yeah, you got the wrong one. So this girl, Jessie J, she owns a hairdresser. She owns a hairdressing company, like a salon hair extension company and a hair school.

And I'm guessing that they do Botox and Restylane because girl, this is like me, this is like me owning, this is like me being a Girl Scout and then coming to work like dressed like a Samoa. Girl, you're using too much product is what I'm saying. Too much product. So she was like, I'm a hairdresser and I own a hair salon. And then we see her doing a TikTok where she's like, we have a billboard for my company and people are talking about how they think it says jizz because it says JZ. I think her last name is Z. I don't know what her last name is, but it's like,

but it probably starts with a Z. So it says JZ hair. And then on several of the branding, uh, some of the things that are branded with it, she actually has like the long slash mark, the vertical slash mark, it's like J slash Z, but the long slash mark just looks like an I. So it really looks like Jizz hair. And she's like, if you're, if you drive past this billboard, and that's your first thought, your mind's in the gutter and you've got to get, got to get it right because that's not what this is about. And I was like, yeah, well, I definitely thought Jizz the first time I saw, I was like, did she name her?

She might've done that because I mean, listen, that is kind of what made them, you know, they gave them this show, got them this show, you know, just, just as far as hair show, you know? So Jesse's like, okay, I have to know, cause I've heard, you know, her side of it, but did any of you guys swing? Like, were any of you involved? And Demi? Is it Demi? Or like, I feel like it's like Damie. I feel like it's like a it's like a weird pronunciation of Demi. Right? She's like,

Damie. She's like, Well, I was at the parties and I like, I didn't even know what was going on. Like, guys, I had no idea that that was someone else's dick in my mouth. I was shocked. Like you never even picked up a vibe, Demi? Nothing? And she goes, no, Brett said he picked up vibes from husbands because they were asking weird questions like, so are you the jealous type? And then Brett said that he was like, well, I don't share if that's what you mean. And they were like, yeah, good answer, Brett.

Good Brett. Brett's so good. Brett is so good at this. So then the producer asks if Jen was part of the swinging group and Jen is like, not a part of any of it. Uh, cause Jen, of course, even if Jen were part of it, she would never ever admit it because we later find out that she is married to the second cousin of Ben Affleck and she would never ever bring that sort of shame to the Affleck name.

And then Jesse is like, Jesse, the hairdresser girl is the one who's like, hell no, I'm too lazy for that shit. I'm not doing that. I really want to have sex with my husband. Okay. I'm not having sex with four other guys. So then Demi is like, yeah, me and my husband don't share, like no sharing. But Taylor admitted that they definitely thought that we'd be fun to swing with. So I mean, I'm hot.

My name is Demi. Demi Engelman. I'm 29. I've been married to my husband, Brett, for almost three years. He's like 46 and I'm 29. So there's a bit of an age gap. Okay, so this, yeah, I'm about to shame this because she said in some TikTok,

this is something else I just read in the comment. First of all, this is Angie Harrington's ex-husband. Did you know that? I was gonna say, wasn't one of them linked to Angie Harrington? Yes, so is this guy. So apparently, I guess him and Angie were friends with her parents

and they went over to her house and he knew her when she was like 10 years old. Wow, sorry. I think like when you get older and there's an age difference, okay, you know, like don't shame her, I guess. I guess a lot of people are in stuff like that, but 10, you knew her when she was 10? Oh, come on.

Yeah, it's really weird. So Demi is like, you know, the last party that we had gone to, Taylor was being kind of flirty with Brett and to this day, it pisses me off. And they're like, oh my God, what'd she do? What do you mean? What's happening? Oh my God, damn, Demi.

And Demi's like, Taylor was just being extra flirty and friendly and she came up and she was like, Taylor was just being extra, extra flirty and friendly. And she came up and she was like, she kissed me on the head, but then she kissed Brett on the head. And then she's like leaning over the couch and she starts like laughing and like starts saying things like, and then she starts, he starts laughing.

And then that's when I lost it. I was like, guys, just wait. I'm ashamed to say this, but I said, oh hell no. Oh my god, you're such a bad bitch. I know, right? So like, Brett was like so drunk. He was like a borderline blackout. And then he's just sitting on the couch and then he goes,

we might have to sleep over. And I was like, oh yeah, he's definitely fucking. You may not be in an open relationship, but I think your husband might. But Brett, yeah. No, but he think your husband might. Brett, yeah. No, but he was so wasted. He had, I don't know, like maybe two beers. It was just like a lot.

It was crazy. It was like he had a beer and then got a Starbucks after. I was like, rehab bitch? I mean, macchiato, more like macchiatno, Brett. Keep it together. So then we go back to Taylor and her mom, and Leanne is like, oh, honey, I love you, but you just always don't make the right choices.

She's like, yeah, but like, mom, like, I feel like I fell, sorry, mama, I'm sorry, I don't know where my pronunciation is, but I love you, but I feel like you've never gone through a divorce and like, you've never had like your entire, like, I don't know, I guess sex life online for the entire world to see. You did that. What?

What are you mad at? You're like, God, mom, it's not like you've ever had to suffer through the experience of like people watching you sing, I like big butts and I cannot lie at karaoke. But honey, you were the one who signed yourself up to sing that song. Whatever. Well, sweetheart, I just don't know signed yourself up to sing that song. Whatever. Well, well, sweetheart, I just don't know how you choose these guys like Dakota.

Well, what's wrong with Dakota? Dakota has an addiction. Yeah, but like, that doesn't define who he is as a person. I mean, he can't even choose South or North. The man has no direction. So America, Dakota, he has this pretty crazy backstory. He's a recovering addict. I mean, he almost died from fentanyl.

I was like, whoa. She's like, America. It's pretty intense there. Did Dakota almost die of fentanyl or did he not almost die of fentanyl? Vote now. Yeah. Well, sweetheart, you have two kids and you really have to think about that because they're trying to heal. No. I'm sorry. think about that because they're trying to heal. No.

I'm sorry, they're trying to heal. Sorry. And you should be healing too. And she's like, you got divorced and you need to let that settle because ultimately me and your dad are gonna be the ones that have to pick up the pieces. And Taylor's like, I mean, I just like,

I have to say something, but I don't like know how, I'm going to say it. So hold on a second. Say what, honey? Guys, America, should I tell my mom right now that I'm pregnant or should I not tell my mom right now that I'm pregnant? Honey, you're pregnant? I don't know.

Damn it. Are you for real? Just Taylor, for real? No. God, for real? Oh my God, this is gonna be rough. I'm gonna put a shot collar on you that I have a little- I'm sorry. I am, I'm having to, I have to remember that I'm in Utah.

I'm sorry, from the top. Are you for real? For real, for real? Taylor, for real? She's like, yeah. She goes, oh my God, you're so stupid. Why would you put yourself in that situation? She's like, well, She goes, oh my God, you're so stupid. Why would you put yourself in that situation? She's like, well, I didn't purposely do it. She's like, oh my God, you're always screwing up everything.

That just pisses me off. I'm so tired of this. You know what? You're just like, hmm, that's what you say. You know what? It's just like, I don't even know anymore. At the end of the day, I do know my mom loves me and wants the best, but emotionally,

I would say I have like good days and bad days, and I'm still struggling with the gossiping and the judging, and I'd rather her just support rather than tell me what to do, because correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like it's how it should be. No, because she's the one raising your children while you're out. She just said that you're out.

Like she just said, you're never even there to raise a kid. So you're giving, you're basically telling your housekeeper like, oh, guess what? You're going to be working on Saturdays and Sundays now and you still don't get a raise. Bye. And then you're wondering why she's crying. Exactly.

You know? Yeah. So Leanne just walks off. She's like, I don't even want to talk to you. So she, she, she heads off and she's just getting tanned. Also, see how addicted she is. She doesn't even know if she's pregnant or not and she's not going to get a test or anything.

She just wants the drama of it. She's like, maybe I'm pregnant. Uh-oh, my bad. I take full responsibility for it. This girl, oh my gosh. Now we go to Jesse's house and the girls are like, yay, girls day, which I kind of feel like is every day for this group, but that's fine. Like literally every day.

And they're all just like having fun and Jessie is talking about like how Whitney and Jenna are the best dancers and Michaela is like, oh yeah, isn't Whitney coming to something? And Jesse's like, yeah, she's coming back from Hawaii. Whitney's coming back from Hawaii to Utah. She's coming back from Hawaii. They're like, Whitney's coming back? Why did Whitney leave? Oh my God, she was on a plane?

Whitney's coming? Can I serve alcohol on that plane? Is that scene? Oh my God, how did she get here? Oh my God, Whitney. Oh my God, Whitney. Oh my God, I think I'm gonna leave my husband, guys. So then they're like, why did Whitney leave?

And everyone's like, we don't know. But I heard it's because her husband, Connor, got caught on Tinder. Dun, dun, dun. Oh my God. So then Macy says, Whitney and Connor are married. They have two kids. And I was on Reddit one night, and I saw this post that someone made about Connor being on Tinder and Whitney was like trying to hide behind the Suriname scandal to hide her own personal scandal and I was like, what? Like, what is this? I mean, I'm a bad bitch and

even I can't figure this out. And then we see a post that's like, what's up with Whitney? She randomly started posting pictures in Hawaii. I'm guessing they moved since she found her baby daddy on Tinder. So she's making him leave Utah, the tea. And then we see Brittany in a completely different look. She's brunette and now she's doing a TikTok and she's like dancing but the caption says, oh my God, everyone now thinking you're a swinger. During her arm dance or whatever. I told you about this yesterday, but one of the funniest things I've seen about this show is Whitney posting that song. She's doing like a fun TikTok dancing around and you just see a baby in a little tiny plastic box, like a little plastic crib.

Nick U or something. Yeah, I'm like Nick U, and she's doing a dance. And then the caption says, Oh my God, just found out my baby has RSV. She's up there moving her ass. Cause what happened was I was at, I was at like a family thing. I was at like, I was with all my cousins and I opened up Tik Tok to show them something. But my Tik Tok was on silent. And so I opened it up and show them something, but my TikTok was on silent. And so I opened it up and the very first thing was Ronnie and like a filter that gave him like a little wig and Ronnie just moving his hands around like this.

And I was like, Oh my God. So I took a screenshot and I was like, Ronnie, what is happening? I mean, I figured out that it was, I mean, it was joking. I knew you were doing something like that, but it was so funny. You on there doing a Whitney dance? It's so stupid. Because it's so disturbing that that's how it is. It's like my baby is dying in the hospital.

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