Watch What Crappens - #48: Hermione Way

Episode Date: November 28, 2012

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and that is Miss Hermione Way from Startup Silicon Valley. And we're also joined by Nadine Rich and that is miss hermione way from startup silicon valley and we're also joined by nadine rajabi who is a co-producer of the show you can find her at nadine rajabi and hermione at hermione way let's get on with it how's it being famous suddenly hermione you know it's weird i keep getting recognized in bars and stuff um but it hasn't got me laid a whole not a whole lot more than i thought it would just a little bit more well i would think that if anything is going to get you laid it's those tetris pants oh yeah i think those pants are more famous than i am i am people like oh my god you're the girl from startup silicon valley and yeah they like the pants i'm

not sure so much sure they like me. I think that you need to start a legging company just like Lindsay Lohan where you just have crazy leggings. I'm telling you, it would be your next step. That's the next thing you should launch. It's your next startup. Yeah, totally agree. You're wasting time with that scale, girl.

You need to get you some leggings. And there needs to be an app so it can show me how I look in all of the different leggings before I buy them. That's actually a good idea. You can just put your own body type and try on clothes. We just did it! We solved this show! Get me a VC. Get me a VC. Well, I have a butt, so I've decided that when I get uber famous, I'm going to have a butt off with Kim Kardashian.

Oh my god, that's going to have a butt off with Kim Kardashian. Oh, my God. That's going to be some work getting a butt that big. No, I've got a butt that big. Seriously. I think my ancestors were black. You do not have a butt that big. Okay, now I'm going to have to go back and watch the show and concentrate on your ass. Thanks.

Hermione, Matt was saying that our show is one of his top three favorite bravo shows yay well at least you have one fan well i'm totally obsessed it's just um i was mentioning this earlier but i used to work at napster when they first launched and now i work at yahoo and it's just for me i get it it's kind of more insidery for me but how do you think that you guys um are able to attract people outside of the tech world like it's just obviously more insidery for me but how do you think that you guys are able to attract people outside of the tech world like it's just obviously there's a lot of drama going on but was that ever a concern for you to pull in people who maybe are not understanding all of those terms i think from the beginning it was hard because you know silicon valley hated on this show they thought it was

going to give them a bad name they thought it was going to be all about partying and not enough about business. And in fact, there's a lot of business in the show. But it's hard to cater for both the Silicon Valley audience and the middle America. And I think the show does a good job of trying to serve both audiences. I think so, because I don't know what any of this stuff means. I'm really stupid, and frankly, I don't care. I don't even notice any of these terms. I was just reading a recap that you tweeted, because I was stalking your Twitter feed right now.

And one of the... I'm just looking it over right now as I talk like a grouchy zombie like Matt calls me. One of the things he mentions is he's rating you guys on a scale of realistic Silicon Valley lingo. And all these words that he's bringing up, I don't even notice

them on the show. I just want to see someone cry or get a drink thrown in their face or see who's going to be me to Sarah. Wow, you got that. Can we just get to the point? I'm a hater on Sarah, and I'm glad that she's not on this call because Hermione is the star of the show. There's a new hashtag, Team Hermione.

Nice. So you guys didn't make up after all of this? No, not really. Good answer, good answer. Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of gone beyond repair now. But, you know, we're civil, we're civil. Yeah, well, I imagine it would be hard once you, you know, you try and make up and then you see each other talking crap about each other on TV.

Yeah, and it gets worse and worse. Hermione, what's been, you know, I spent a lot of time with Hermione. So for me, you me, putting this together, what's been the biggest shock when you're watching this episode versus when we're actually going through putting the scenes together as far as the interview bites and all that stuff? Are you shocked at what makes it and what doesn't make it? I think there's a huge amount that didn't make it.

That's what surprises me. There were so many other storylines, and the whole Ryan that didn't make it that's what you know that's what surprises me you know there's so many other storylines and you know the whole Ryan thing didn't make it and just so many he had a whole dating life by the way you guys that we could not put in the show because there just wasn't enough room or time too many men

there's too many men there really was there's two breakups in the show and none of them were in there what the hell, you guys? Well, how many episodes are you doing? There's only eight episodes that I see scheduled, but I'm wondering, did you guys have enough footage to do 12 or 13? We had so much footage. Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. So is Bravo just kind of trying it out? Because they do that with all their shows. I remember when they started. They do eight and then it goes from there. No, first season they do eight, and then it goes from there. But yeah, has it been – you've basically known what's in the show and what's not as far as how these things are put together, haven't you? Yeah, I mean, I think it's a pretty fair representation of our lives for those three months. And I think I'm just as trashy online as I am on TV.

And I don't think I've changed much. You know, I'm just still the crass British girl. And how did the... Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Maddie. I was just going to say in the latest episode that aired this week titled Restart, you were mentioning, you know, how it was Christmas time.

And obviously this was shot about a year ago And now it's finally just airing. And, you know, obviously, things change every single week, every single day in Silicon Valley. It's been an entire year since this was shot. I was just wondering what it's like for you now. Do you sit down and watch it ever? Do you watch the episodes as they are on Bravo? And, you know, is it weird for you to look back and see oh my god how much has changed in the past 12 months um i have to have a very stiff drink when i watch the episodes i should be off this call right now how's that um no i mean nadine and the crew did a great amazing job i think it's an amazing show

and um yeah i invite some friends over to the villa we sink a few bottles of wine and we watch it every Monday and um you know the the premiere we had like 500 people come come watch it um so we do a little celebration every week and but yeah I mean life life moves on and everyone says to me like oh wow so you know has your life changed since you got a tv show and it's like a little bit but you know we we still have a startup we're still struggling we're still you know facing all the problems that a startup faces and it's still very similar to having a startup isn't it it's just a new venture that you're still trying to get people to watch and

you're still you still have to be invested every step in the way of the way it seems like you know with so many different competing shows and stuff. Yeah. I mean, we're trying to do as much online media as we can. I was even thinking about doing a sex tape. Add a girl if you've got the Kim Kardashian butt. Do it. That's my age.

Well, I was thinking we could do a Silicon Valley take on it, and I could be caught in bed with my laptop. Well, you're really going to need a good mom to market your porn for you because that's that's the way it works um so can we talk let's talk about silicon valley here for a second so a lot is made between the battle of silicon valley versus la a very san fran versus uh you know southern california thing has always been in existence and i was just wondering this show tries to make Silicon Valley seem incredibly sexy

I love that just ice cold pause like go ahead of the nightlife and the action that's going on but I just want to know yeah pretty much defend Silicon Valley and tell me why. Is it really sexy?

Well, I think it's the sexiest place on earth. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here. Because money is sexy and power is sexy? Or why? I'm just curious. Of course. You know, humans are built on finding power and money sexy, whether you like it or not. And there's no other industry in the world where you can go from an idea in your head

to global, dominant, billion-dollar company in such a short amount of time. And that, for me, is sexy. You know, Silicon Valley, everything moves so quickly. There's such a fast pace here. And if you're not cut out for it, then you're going to get left behind. So you've got to be incredibly strong.

You've got to be incredibly lean. You've got to get ready to pivot all the time. And you've got to keep on top of your game. Silicon Valley is like a big game. And you've got to be in it to win it. What's your take on a lot of these companies moving down and opening up headquarters in Santa Monica or El Segundo? I mean, there seems to be somewhat of a trend of the Southern California swing. You know, it's not just Southern California. It's I mean, there seems to be somewhat of a trend of the Southern California swing. You know, it's not just Southern California. It's global. London is trying to be the next Silicon Valley.

Chile is trying to be the next Silicon Valley. Even Kenya and Africa calls itself the Silicon Valley of Africa. And, you know, I think it's cool to build stuff and be creative these days. It used to be cool to take drugs and cigarettes, but it's definitely a global

revolution happening where entrepreneurship and technology and geek culture has now become mainstream. You only have to look at some of the top TV shows in America, Shark Tank, and what's that geeky one with those geeky guys and that blonde chick?

The Big Bang Theory, yes, exactly. It's the number one comedy in the United States. Number one. It shows that people are interested in geek culture. I think so. And of all the nerds that I've known, they have probably the craziest and the most sex that I've ever known. Oh, no doubt.

Speaking to nerds being sexy, I think that what you're saying you know the money and the power is is very sexy but all the nerds i know are very sexual i mean all the really pretty stupid people i know are very bad at sex they just like to read magazines and kind of lay back yeah yeah i think there's definitely uh you know people are very adventurous and creative in all areas of life in Silicon Valley San Francisco so how did this show come about

were you guys did somebody come to you guys or did one of you come up with the idea I mean who came up with this and who came up to you guys to get this going I'd love to hear Jane's story but um actually my my story relates a lot to um hollywood and uh la so when i moved to san francisco

silicon valley i noticed mass convergence between hollywood and silicon valley uh celebrities are investing in startups ashton kutcher lady gaga uh since the film The Social Network there's a lot been a lot more interesting content coming out of Silicon Valley and celebrities are really using the apps being built in Silicon Valley to communicate with their fans and I googled events that were connecting Hollywood and Silicon Valley because I got excited about and nothing existed so I bought the domain hollywoodmeetsSiliconValley.com. I started throwing events, and that's how I got introduced to Bravo. And, you know, I actually wanted to produce content around Silicon Valley.

And when I met with the casting directors, they said, you're far too fucking crazy to be behind the camera. You've got to be in our show. That is the best compliment you could ever be paid. Well, Hermione's an amazing blogger. She's got another whole, like a everyday career and an everyday life. Like, you know, and this is what she does. Yeah.

So it's like she knows how to be the producer and on camera and everything, you know? So, Hermione, you were basically pitching ideas to them to do some basic show about Silicon Valley, and they ended up recruiting you? Yeah, pretty much. That's cool. But I did hear the Nadine Sider story. Was it sexy doing a reality show about Silicon Valley for you as a producer? It actually was.

Here's what's crazy is that I've been working with Bravo for a long time, and when I saw the basically before they go into series they do these casting tapes where basically they'll go okay well here's a cast that we're gonna do the show about and you know we're gonna start following them and I've seen so many casting tapes it's unbelievable and I watch it so it's not a casting tape it's like a pilot I keep calling it casting tape it's not a casting tape. It's like a pilot. I keep calling it casting tape. It's not a casting tape at all. It's a pilot of like,

this is the group we're doing a show around. And I saw it and I was like, Oh my God. Like this is, I thought in my mind, like one of the best cast I've ever seen. Cause, and you know,

this speaks to every in the cast is the smartest cast I've ever worked with. And they were actually doing things to change. I don't know, change, like, the world. They're not just, like, listen, I love the housewives more than the next person. Like, I'm obsessed with the housewives. But, like, they're not just being housewives. They're actually, like, doing things to, like, you know, like, Hermione and Ben are, like, you know, have a health and fitness app that's going to go change people's lives. Like, you know, it's David was basically quit his job to like follow his dream.

It's like Dwight like had an ongoing thing. And, you know, and obviously you guys will see what happens towards the end of like what happens with this company. But it's like they're actually doing something instead of just sitting on their ass and like, you know, washing a chicken. Actually, a lot of our users

were actually saying to us, you know, obviously we all talk about the housewives. They're rated so well. And so that's like kind of the bread and butter. But a lot of our users agree with us and they love these shows like Silicon and Tabitha and Million Dollar Decorators where it's people actually with jobs and careers, not just lounging around by a pool doing nothing.

It's a real work-life balance. And I personally find those shows, including Silicon, to be the more interesting shows on Bravo now as a result. And I would love to see that trend continue for Bravo. It's really awesome. And what's tough is I've come from a crazy Persian family. And I've got this older Persian aunt, older Persian aunt and she watches Housewives and she watches Startup. She's like, I don't get it. I'm like, just sit down and watch and you'll understand. So it's actually introducing to a lot of people to something that they're not used to seeing. And it's like, but this is where we're at.

And, you know, it's inspirational. And it was so funny because I was telling Hermione like one of the days, I'm like, God, I want to do a startup. It's like everybody, like it just inspires inspires you to, like, do something. It definitely does make me feel lazy. I mean, today I was watching last night's episode. And it starts with you guys kickboxing. I was like, are these people fucking kidding me? I was sitting there trying to have a nice lunchtime binge.

And you guys are kickboxing, selling shit, trying to raise $500 million. It was like watching a zoo. I know. It's addictive, though. That's the problem, you know? It's a place where anything is possible. Well, let's talk about this last episode. I'm kind of really curious about the presentation

that you and Ben had with Javelin, and I was wanting you to take the reins and make him sit down. And I wanted you to take over. I know that in the episode you were saying, you know, I will have my turn, but I think that a lot of your fans were sitting there going, Oh my God,

stand up, push him out of the way, take the reins. Yeah, I know. And that's, you know, the breakdown at the end of the episode was real because,

you know, you got to remember that we have only just started working together and living together and getting to know each other. And because I guess he's got more technical experience than me, he takes the reins, but like, you know, I've,

I've got to where I am without him. And I, I, you know, I've been doing, I've been leading my team in the boardroom for so many years that it's really fucking frustrating having him come in and be done. So maybe you're right.

Maybe I just need to stop blaming him and take the reins and get up there. But it's really hard as well because I'm not as technical as him. Putting that aside though, putting the technical stuff aside, can you talk a little

bit about being a strong powerful female in an industry that's probably, you know, dominantly, predominantly male driven? And it's just, you know, I see you on this show and I see Kim on this show and I forget about Sarah because she drives me nuts. And I just see you and Kim as these women who must have faced so many obstacles and uphill battles. Can you talk about that for a little bit? I mean, you know, I do like to say that every tech event I go to is a complete sausage fest. It is 99 men. But I kind of think you have to act a little bit like a man to succeed still. Unfortunately, you still have to sort of, you know, put on like a little show of confidence and overconfidence.

And you sort of have to, you know, dress like you mean business. And, you know, I don't know. I feel like it's very much still a man's world. And I feel like I'm quite a manly woman, if that makes sense. Like I've got lots of male traits, but I have to be like that to keep everything together and get men to respect me. But does that give you like that? You know, I think it's so horrible when men call women bitches, because it's kind of just like, I feel like a lot of times they see women that are powerful and they immediately give them that title. And I just, I wonder if, you know, is that something that you've come across or do you just

know the way the industry is and you just have to put on a pair of balls when you walk into a room and just own it? Yeah, I think especially in the technology industry, you know, if you do come in as a dumb blonde, you'll get shot down very quickly. You know, these are the most intelligent men or people in the world. And if you don't know what you're talking about, fundamentally understand it, um, people won't take you seriously. So you, you have a sneaky way about you because like the way that you're talking now is one thing,

but your ass will go to sleep under a table in a meeting too. So, I mean, I think that you have an extremely sneaky way that doesn't, I mean, and I think it's smart, but it doesn't have really to, if you were a man,

I mean, they would have pulled out a fire hose on your ass. But they didn't because it was so charming. Like, you had a way of pulling it off. Do you tend to use that a lot in what you do? I mean, what do you want me to do? Put on a burka every morning? No, no. I'm not criticizing it. You want more Tetris pants all the time. Bur No, no. I'm not criticizing it.

You want more Tetris pants all the time. Burka's off. I'm not criticizing it. I'm just saying it's really interesting because the difference between being a man and a woman, I think that it would suck in a lot of ways to have to fight as a woman. It would be a lot harder. I mean, I do see what you're saying. I'm just saying that I think you get away with a lot more and you have a certain charm that can come across a lot better

because you're a woman, you know? Power to the woman, yeah! No, I see exactly what you're saying. I can normally get a little cheeky smile and things will go my way. But yeah, the sleeping on the table thing, it's Dave McClure. I mean, this is like a guy that wears flip-flops to the office.

There's no way. There's no way I would have done that at Javelin. Okay, speaking of slobs, I was going to say, speaking of slobs, we have to talk about Dwight. I need to know how disgusting that apartment really is. Well, I quite fancy Dwight. I'd like to spend the night with him, but not if he I need to know how disgusting that apartment really is. Well, I quite found it.

I'd like to spend the night with him, but not if he was taking me back to that disgusting apartment. Or the Four Seasons, without other disgusting being. But, yes. You said it. He was just trying to get you in trouble. You know that, right? I'm not trying to get her in trouble.

I'm trying to win her over. Yeah, that guy's really cute. I really have to respect a man who just doesn't manscape. He doesn't clean the pizza off the floor. Ronnie, he is way too furry. He needs to manscape that back. You know what's funny? It actually didn't make the show,

but we actually shaved his back, and it might be in a deleted scene. I'm not sure, though. Well, I could have done without the shot of the razor on the sink surrounded by hair. How about the Birkenstock on the kitchen counter? Every time I see it,

it makes me nervous like the place is going to go up in flames. I get very... I panic every time I see that. I mean, he must get laid right now. Oh, yeah. He has swagger. He has swagger, and I'm like, you know, it's a panty dropper.

I'm telling you. He's got Kim, who's gorgeous. He's got her in the palm of his hand, I think. Looks that way. Well, I don't know if she'd say the same thing. Of course she wouldn't say that, but she buys him shit. No, Kim is going know if she'd say the same thing. Of course she wouldn't say that. She buys him shit. No, Kim is going to eat him up and spit him out.

When a woman's buying your lunch all the time, that means he won. Sorry. Well, let's talk Kim for a second here. So in the most recent episode, Kim finally came to the conclusion that it was time for her to move on after about two years in the industry. A lot of times that's typical for people to move on that are of this age and in this industry. But what's your take on a job like that where there is security and there is safety and really rolling the dice and shooting for your dreams? I mean, I'm in the USA where the jobs market is depleted and it's, you know, the rate of unemployment is increasing.

And, you know, we are at a time when people need to be inspired to quit their job. And they didn't even have a job in the first place. But instead of getting Social Security, you know, they can. If you're sitting at home with a laptop and a Wi-Fi connection, there's a reason why you can't get online and start a company, start monetizing what you love. You cannot be building the next Google or Facebook, but you can jump on YouTube and Facebook and Twitter and build a brand. I think we are at a time when Americans need to be thinking entrepreneurially again. Your country is amazing. It's home now.

It was founded on people who were risk takers. I think if this show can inspire people to bring back the risk and quit their jobs or start monetizing what they love online, then job done in my opinion. Well, you are inspiring me and Ronnie to quit our jobs and just make Watch What Happens a global brand, right? Right, Ronnie? This is my job. Screw you guys. I'm out of here.

I'm going to go sell some shit on the street. Ronnie, was there any backlash? Sorry, guys. Was there any backlash from Dave McClure after the episode aired? Me? Towards him? Yeah, no. Did he comment on sleeping under the table or the episode at all?

He loved it. He absolutely loved it. Dave McClure is a complete media whore just like me. He loved the attention. He tweeted it out. He shared it on Facebook. He's a charismatic guy. He's just trying to He shared it on Facebook. You know, he's a charismatic guy.

He's just trying to go big or go home. Do you do everything with your brother now, or do you have your own ideas and startups that you're working on by yourself? I mean, I know you blog. You've mentioned a few of your jobs on the show. But startup-specific, do you have any of your own that you're working on? Yeah. the show um but startup specific do you have any of your own that you're working on um yeah so i well my whole career without him so i got my newspaper my london-based um company and then startup world this this uh global startup competition i'm trying to get off the ground

to help other people i did and then a blog for web so i have a whole bunch of different things and this is really the first thing that I've done with him. And actually, it's the first time I've had a co-founder. I've always been by myself. So, yeah, we do do some things apart. And how's it going? Are you guys still working on the same startup? Yeah.

No, not a startup yet. No, the stresses of building a startup does not go away. You know, we're struggling. We're, you know, it's hard, you know. We're building a product that needs a lot of capital and needs a lot of money up front.

So, you know, it's like millions and millions of dollars here. In addition to all the money though, I mean, it sounds like, I mean, there's so much pressure on you. And if you have this many businesses running at one time, you mentioned in this past episode that you're only sleeping about three hours a night and that's really not healthy. How do you juggle all of this? Like, is it, is it, it has to be your job and that's 100 of your life how do you how do you have a life i mean the thing is is if there's one criticism i've got from you know people and uh venture capitalists and advisors that i need to focus i need to like

quit all my different projects and focus on one thing but you know life doesn't work like that you you get you know passionate about one thing and then you you want to do that and then you get passionate about another thing you want to do that um so you know i just um i just try and drink a lot at a girl her mind is really good at drinking yeah so we have some questions from our listeners. Is that cool with you? Yeah. Cindy asks, ask her if Sarah is still a huge bitch and if she's sleeping, if she's seeing the adorable Jay. Okay, well, we already got the answer for the first part. So are you still seeing the adorable Jay?

We are friends. We are friends. We are friends. Maybe friends with benefits, some might say. Oh, nice. So he's not gay then. Because you know everybody online. Everybody thinks he's gay.

Well, you know, people don't know until later in life. So he could still be gay. Oh, my God. Maybe. But that last episode where he went home without sex and you were like oh well i wish you know blah blah blah i heard the entire audience scream at the same time who's gonna leave i know what the fuck why didn't he oh god, yeah. I was like crawling up the walls, you know. And the girl's gone. But no, we're still friends.

He watches the show and we're texting and stuff. So I think he's gone back to LA now. But he's a really nice guy. A lot of the readers like to tease your brother about his 43 businesses. What are they? Like what are his more successful businesses because they are they're rude i know i think my brother needs to get rid of a little bit of his ego you know uh just leave it in the closet somewhere um yeah i don't know he likes to show up he you know he

did he did the thing about ben is he did have a lot of success very young and his whole life you know you gotta you gotta remember my brother was the geeky guy at school was very you know full and short and he he was the geek he was the one that got bullied he was the guy that couldn't get the girls and when he made all this money very very he that was that was how he presented himself to the world it was all about status and companies and that was how he you know operated and so now you know he has this mentality where he feels like he has to impress everyone and he does you know he does have a lot of companies but it's all like share shares it's all shares on paper money money on paper yeah um so he needs to understand that he's actually a really nice guy without all the 43 companies like he is he's such a sweetheart

he seems like it he doesn't come across as an ass to me and i'm a horrible judgmental person and i think it's really cute but i respect any man with money that still does like sit-ups and stuff because i'd be 500 pounds you'd have to cut me out of a trailer if I had that much money. I would never leave. He works that medicine ball. He works that medicine ball. Curtis Jensen said ask her to keep it down. I'm her neighbor.

I don't know if that's real or not. Really? I think that is real. I think I do have a neighbor called Kurt. Oh my god. That is hilarious. That is the funniest thing ever. Oh, Cupcake. Yeah, there's a lot of these about

not gay Jay, they call him, which is hilarious. Do you read the recap on TV, Gazam? Are you concerned that a life expectancy calculator is already in a crowded market? Are there life expectancy calculators? Do you understand what that means?

No, they're just saying, is it too crowded a market for that? I've just never heard of that before. Right, you're right. There are a lot of competing apps and there are a lot of startups in this space. But I think it validates the market very young in terms of the mix of technology and healthcare. As always, Google wasn't the first search engine when it launched. It was one of about a thousand.

Cool. Can't let that stop me. What TV shows do you watch? Do you watch anything? Are you one of those people who doesn't have a TV? I feel like you are. Well, I watch everything on Hulu because I'm addicted to the internet.

I love House. I love Californication. I love Grey's Anatomy. A little bit of Big Bang Theory. Breaking Bad. They're good. So yeah, I do watch a little bit of TV,

but I don't get a lot of time, but yeah, it relaxes me. If you were to be on another reality show, is there any other reality show you would love to be on? Like I could kind of see you and Ben on The Amazing Race, I'm not going to lie. I would love to do that show. I'd love to do dancing, whatever it is,

dancing something. Yeah, dancing with the stars. Yeah, where you get to dance with all those hot guys. Oh, yeah. I think Honey Boo Boo would make a really good duo as well. She'll be there. Don't worry. She'll be there in 10 years.

Hermione Boo Boo. Honey Boo Boo time. She'll be doing another kind of dance and it will be involving a pole. So what is next for you guys? Nadine, are you, how far into the season are you guys with editing and stuff? Are you finished?

Yeah, we just actually just turned in our finale today. So it's, we're done and, and we're probably just wrapping up this week, but we're going to do two back-to-back episodes. So we're going to do episode seven, episode eight. One will be on a Monday, one will be on a Tuesday,

because we didn't want our finale to air on Christmas Eve. Yeah, Bravo did a weird thing this year with Christmas, huh? They started everything in the holidays. Weird. Yeah, so our finale would have fallen on actually on christmas eve so we're doing it the tuesday after our seventh episode airs just the day after but um it's a really cool episode seven and eight be paired with uh real housewives of atlanta on a sunday and then real housewives of beverly hills on monday so it'll be a monday or tuesday so after whatever falls on tuesday so okay but um but there's a lot coming up for Hermione for sure,

and next week is a big episode for Hermione, and it's probably one of my favorite episodes of Hermione, and you guys probably should talk to her after that too. Can you just give us a little bit of a taste of what's coming up next week? Well, Hermione has a birthday party, coming up next week? Well, Hermione has a birthday party and she might, she basically gets,

I don't want to give away the whole thing, but she gets a present from a sex shop and she decides to put it on and there are investors at the party and you can only imagine what happens. Well, Ben, well, I saw a bit of the preview and Ben freaks out that, oh my God, maybe we're going to lose our

potential investment. And it's like, Ben, get the stick out of your ass and have some fun every once in a while. No kidding. If nothing's working, start slapping those investors around with a big dick. Exactly. Put a strap on on and get some pasties and get the party started. Yeah, that's called thinking outside the box. Okay, buddy. I was crying

laughing watching Hermione. Here's the one thing about hermione is that hermione doesn't care and that's what's amazing it's like she's such a free spirit and she's gonna do what she's gonna do and it's like she's so entertaining to watch and she's so and like that's the greatest thing about the show it's like there's nothing and that's what i like about bravo there's nothing that's scripted there's nothing you never tell them like it's it's a follow doc. You really follow their lives.

I've been on other networks where we've had to script things and this is definitely not that. Bravo does not do that. Like you said, it's all about the casting. I really think that this is one of the best casts we've ever seen for a Bravo show, especially for a first season. I think that makes all the difference in the world.

We want to see these people. We want to see them in the business world. We want to see them in their personal lives. And I think that's why you have a hit on your hands. Yeah, it's very nice to watch a show that's not just a bunch of old rubber ladies beating each other up for no reason. That's the last change. No, it is good. Later in the season, you'll see.

Ben and Hermione definitely have a lot of ups and downs. And we talk about Hermione's startup world a little more and introduce that and you know and the coolest thing is you know here's ben and hermione that went in just with the concept and they go in and pitch and then by the end it's like you know they they have a prototype their product it's like what other show have we seen that progression? We didn't even start on the idea until we started filming. It literally went from idea to product on the show. So if there's anybody out there wondering how you can get an idea off the ground in Silicon Valley and go from idea to actually having a physical product, they should watch the show.

Yeah, it's true. Cool. Well, we love your show. And you guys, thank you so much for coming on and talking to us i can't wait to see what you i can't wait to see you whip some faces with a big you're gonna die to cut it back hey can i ask one question yeah did you have to fuzz out the toy? Oh, you're asking me? Yes, we did. Really? Oh, gosh. You know, there was a lot.

I wish that everybody could see the raw footage of, like, everything because from the sex shop of them buying the sex toy, which we had to, like, you know, fuzz out a little bit to, you know, to Hermione putting it on. It's like... I think that Ronnie and I maybe are owed a secret deleted scenes DVD in a few weeks.

I'm just going to say. Here's a thing. We would enjoy that. I'm like, it's actually kind of funnier with the blur. Well, but if you have any footage of a naked, not gay Jay, that would be nice as well.

Thanks. Send that over. So we're going gonna get out of here guys thank you so much for being with us we will be watching your show everybody thanks for listening and check out startups in Silicon Valley thanks so much for being here you guys we'll talk to you soon good luck with everything cheers bye cheers well that was fun but we still got some housewives to talk some shit about. We definitely do. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you, Ronnie.

I think that the real housewives of Atlanta has officially jumped the motherfucking shark. Okay, I got yelled at the other day by one of my very critical friends, Darren, who yelled at me for using the term jumping the shark incorrectly. Now, he says that the show has to do something crazy that it normally wouldn't do, and that's why it jumped the shark. I just think it means it sucks now. Well, I mean, yeah, it's done both. It now just sucks, but a few crazy things have happened. I honestly think that the casting of these two new morons has taken the show in a bad direction. Really? Well, I think it's black people's fault.

No, I'm just kidding. I actually love these girls. I think they are so hysterical. I love me some Portia. Listening to Portia call, say that she had a fraudulent slip was hysterical to me. I'm still laughing about that. There's no doubt she is the Alexis Bellino of Hotlanta. But did you notice that she was on screen for all of four seconds because she's

so boring and dumb? I think she's hilarious and she just doesn't have enough drama yet, but I think she'll be in. I mean, just to listen to her and her husband talk, and you know, the listeners are commenting on the page too about it, and it's cracking me up, the husband. No, you can't let one bad apple spoil everything.

Or whatever he said. I just want to sit there and listen to them take a knife to English and just stab the shit out of English. I kind of have a feeling that they are the dumbest people in the entire city. They're pretty stupid, but they're so well-meaning and cute. I mean, Atlantaanta for some reason when atlanta has drama i just feel uncomfortable i mean last year when they took that trip and charre had that weird meltdown with marlo and that was the best thing ever with the two of them squealing like hyenas all that with no words that was it was amazing which was funny but for the most part it just made me

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Black is beautiful. Are you still there? I'm here. Oh, I lost you for a second. You're like, they're not crazy. How dare you? Click. I was just saying, though, but I got the impression from um on the last episode that you were a hater

on on kenya and i was liking her for being crazy for a hot second but now i'm like oh she's just gross oh i think she's disgusting as a human being but i think she's just wonderful to watch on tv i think she's hysterical i mean she gets so offended at everything do you ever watch boardwalk empire no i gave up well the way i'm about to give up on atlanta no no you will not sir there what there's a character this season on boardwalk empire played by bobby conneval i think that's how you pronounce it right that hot ass guy bobby conneval love it and he is from italy and he's just kind of an idiot and he doesn't get american lingo and so he keeps getting super offended at things that people say and then he murders them like his first scene is when his car was

broken down and some old man comes out and and he's like oh your your tire's broken let me go to the glove compartment and i'll get some uh wd-40 or whatever and bobby conneval says what's that and he said it's oil. What else? You know, and he goes and gets it. And Bobby Carnival kills him and screams, what else? I'll tell you what else. It could have been a tire iron. He starts freaking out. It sounds like Teresa Giudice.

Well, all I could think of while I was watching that, because that's what I caught up with on Thanksgiving. All I could think of while I was watching that was, oh my god, that's a white Kenya with a giant penis. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's just too much. It's too much, but he does have a giant one. They show it, you guys. So if you haven't been watching this season of Boardwalk Empire, you should watch it,

because he will have a belt around his neck, walking through a whorehouse covered in blood, with his wiener showing for like a solid minute. Oh my god. Everybody, get on your dvrs right now so you guys are very welcome for that okay what else about atlanta yeah we need to talk about her desperate i want to talk about kenya being all like spirit with like oh i need to get a ring on it. I need to make some babies. Oh, she is too desperate. You know, Glenn Close did not screw Michael Douglas. Well, Glenn Close didn't get together with Michael Douglas and talk about a recipe for Bunny Stew first.

She waited until she was fucked over, and then she scared him. Kenya's doing all the scaring right up front. And he's not even that hot. No, the man is wearing a towing shirt he's like a lot towing company his jerry curl is dripping down that shirt yeah she's just desperate she's like you've got a pulse you've got a job i don't even care if you're wearing your towing shirt during dinner what are those crickets he's like oh my god let's discuss how she cooked him dinner and she is one of those crazy women who is like oh my man's not gonna do me and give me babies unless he knows that i'm a good cook so

let me pretend to throw some nasty ass fettuccine from ralph's in a frying pan before he comes home because he's gonna fucking believe that i cooked this shit that was that was pretty funny you have to admit i mean i do that before my comeicks come over. Don't get it twisted. But, like, I'm not trying to get a baby up in here. But I love that she tries to pull it off with a tiny little pan with a fork in it. Right. There's nothing else. There's no other ingredients anywhere.

There's no cumming. There's no nothing. It's just like, oh, I put two strings of pasta with a fork and a frying pan. Who are you, dumb bitch? Yeah, she's pretty horrifying. But most of all, the conversation was horrifying. I mean, that whole, well, you know, you know, I'm ready to make some babies. You know, it's time to put a ring on it.

I was like, oh, no, please stop it. Well, let me ask you this. Do you have to have your boyfriends go before a panel of your family members to find out if they're worthy of your love? Are you kidding? My family sees me standing next to somebody, and they start giving them money and gifts to talk them into staying. Oh, shit. You should take me home for Thanksgiving next year. My family is even impressed that I speak to anybody at all much less anybody

who'd want to have sex with me they're thrilled it could be it could be a carnival barker and they'd be like oh my god you've got eight fingers welcome to the family oh my god okay let's talk about a few of the other things that happened on um this episode i would like for a second to talk about my now arch-nemesis Kim Zolciak. I have been up this woman's ass. I have loved her. I have loved all of her crazy storylines from the beginning. But last week when we were taping

Watch What Crappens, I kind of lost my goddamn mind on her. I do not give a motherfuck. I do not want to waste another fucking hour of my life watching this bitch move out of her house and claim that she is homeless. I cannot handle her. Not only that, but she is being so horrible about it.

Okay, Kim is, like, refusing to pay her rent, first of all. So she's being evicted. So instead of just, you know, first of all, you shouldn't be getting evicted. That's ruining your husband's reputation. You already had a shitty reputation. I mean, I guess, Mary, you already ruined his reputation but yeah exactly and um i forgot what i was saying but she's a horrible person so she's getting getting evicted and now she's telling everyone that she's leaving because the house is haunted or as nini would say

that house is hunted hunted not haunted hunted like get out your shotgun and put on your elmer fudd gear because it's hunted kill the wabbit kill the wabbit kill the wabbit yes she's um ridiculous i have no pity for her and i'm glad that she's looking like a total asshole on national television yeah she is not doing herself any favors but while we're on the topic of kim we do have to bring this up so obviously if you make it to the end of this last episode, which I don't know why you would because it was so boring, you see the preview for next week and Kim loses her shit. She kind of attacks the cameraman.

She walks out when all the women are giving her shit for backing out on yet another event. I think that they were in talks in next week's episode of going on vacation. And Kim pulls the plug because she at that point is like 36 weeks pregnant, something along those lines. I kind of get that she doesn't want to travel while she's pregnant, especially with Scary Women and Nene who has choked her out multiple times. But Kim now has officially left the show. That's been all over the gossip rags all this week. But then I thought Bravo was going to be done with her.

And yesterday I'm seeing they have greenlit a second season for Don't Be Tardy for the Wedding. Obviously it's getting a new title, but they are still keeping Kim in the mix. Well, did they already shoot this show? Because you know how Bravo does shit. They'll shoot things and then a year later they're like, oh, we greenlit a Kim show. That's what I'm not really understanding about this. Is this something that was already shot i don't think that kim's second season has been shot yet so i think that they needed a cooling off period between her departure from atl before

they were going to decide if she was going to get the go for another one but i think at the end of the day bravo was like look don't be tardy for the wedding had a shit ton of you know numbers the ratings were great it's like people want to see this crazy bitch I mean I don't want to see her just complaining nonstop but you know in the press yesterday Kim's like oh yeah you know everybody loves to see our crazy lives unfold me with the kids

and my you know husband and all this and I'm like do they really anymore like you already walked down that aisle you've already had your epic fights with Nini like what is left except for you sitting around yelling at sweetie and being a crappy mom like what else is there she's always been a scummy white trash but she used to be shit but she used to be very funny i mean i used to love watching kim i i didn't turn on kim until probably around this. Around Tardy. I stopped watching that

Tardy for the Wedding bullshit in the middle. I hated it. She made me so great. Her attitude. It's like, bitch, you a hoe. You have sucked some dick to get where you are. You need to get off your high horse. Please, get back on your knees and keep working and get off your high horse. I do not

pay to watch you act better than everybody else. I don't pay. Like, this is a Broadway show and I bought a ticket. Well, where do you think that season two can go? Like, if they have not shot it yet, like, are we just going to watch Kim, like, trying to mend fences with her white trash mother who she kicked out of her wedding? Like, I don't give a fuck. I don't know she's already been so critical and mean to them that i would hope they would have more self-respect than to even speak to that trash again i don't know it would probably be about her raising bait you know

raising little babies she's got two she's gonna have two now so i think it would be more interesting actually if we saw her kind of transition into more of an nfl wife and to see her interacting with some of Croy's teammates' wives. I mean, I think that that could bring in a new dynamic. I don't know. That's a great idea, but she's not going to allow that. She won't even talk to the women on her own cast now.

Right. It's like she's not willing to share the screen with other people, A. And then, B, I just don't think that the Atlanta Falcons organization, I think they're already ashamed of the fact that Croy is married to that ho-bag. I don't think that they would ever let cameras near that fucking training facility. Yeah, I would hope not, because she's a joke.

And it's amazing, because it's all just a little tiny switch in her attitude. She's always thought she was great. I mean, the woman thought she was going to be a pop star, for Christ's sake. I mean, she's delusional enough to make it as a housewife. Yeah, but it kind of worked when she was with Big Papa, and she didn't know if she was going to get the next rent check in the mail.

But now that she knows that Croy has a steady paycheck, she has become a straight-up nasty bitch. And just watching her spend all that money, you just know she's spending more than she's making. I don't know. I just feel bad. I feel like she's going to break the poor man and then leave him. And he's going to be stuck supporting her brat kids. Oh,

there's no diggity doubt about that. I mean, he is going to crawl back to Montana, you know, with all these wounds that she's left him with, and probably a few diseases on the side. And, you know,

he's going to have to play back together when she's out banging the next NFL, you know, tight end or whatever position he is. Yeah. I hear that. I agree with you. Anyway, what else happened? Fails.

Okay, what else happened on ATL? We haven't talked about Kandi. We haven't talked about Phaedra. We haven't talked about Nini and my arch nemesis, Cynthia. Well, this butt dial thing is a bunch of bullshit. You know that that was a producer giving her tape because Phaedra butt dialing and just happening to be talking shit during this message about what's her buns that bland ass

cynthia that is not true you know that her mic was just on and she didn't know she was being recorded and some producer sent that to nini oh they sent it to nini it was never a voicemail between uh phedra and some other like third party it was just like the mic kept running which it always does and they clipped it up and they gave something you know to cynthia to talk about because bitch has nothing else going on yeah they're trying to make the drama happen which is just not really going to happen i mean unless you get kenya around everybody more she'll bring the drama but like i said i like this one to laugh my ass off yeah but that's the problem ronnie what is well that's the thing it's kind of like you know if we can see them blatantly manufacturing this drama like

it's just it's upsetting to me it's like of course this is reality tv so i should expect it all to be in the hands of the editor of course the shit is half scripted but at the same time it's like i already know that but when you make it apparent to me it just turns me off yeah i know that i'm stupid but don't call me stupid okay pretty much pretty much like my day is already fucking tough enough for then you to for then having them like call me an idiot to my face like oh my day already sucked fuck you well let me look over this um let me look over the comments real quick on this um apollo being a barber is hysterical um we could talk about this for an hour we will not but um what does this man not do last week we found out that he is a certified personal trainer slash nutritionist slash bodybuilder and this week

he's a motherfucking barber what is this did he learn all these skills behind bars in the slammer i love um another thing someone's saying kristin is saying phedra completely ignoring the issue at hand and talking about the bug bite on her tit did make me laugh hilarious that was funny she's like well i don't remember making that call i don't remember bud dialing i don't remember saying the f word you know i don't talk like oh look at this i got a bite on my boobie i mean she is completely ridiculous but i mean you're right at least we do get some comic relief on this show because of her because without that it's just like too much kim being a bitch but um you know again there was no butt dial but phaedra did say that shit about cynthia and guess what cynthia deserves all the shit

talked about her times 10 yeah who gives a fuck if cynthia shows up to any of their events because cynthia sits there with her asshole of a husband, Peter, and nobody gives a fuck. This is another one Lumina put on here. Dear Lord, on the coming attractions, Portia said you don't feed the homeless on Thanksgiving. There's the other 265 days of the

year. And then a record scratches and Nini does that cross-eyed cocked head thing and I'm like oh nini just slap shit out of her nini it does not put up with his bullshit oh no she doesn't you know i'm actually enjoying nini i was huge hater of nini last year and i thought after her ego last year i thought she was just going to be unbearable this year. But at least she's trying to be funny. I mean, last year she was just pulling a Kim.

She was too good to even be there. And this year she's at least, you know, she's the highest paid housewife still, I believe. Oh, she definitely is. And look, I mean, she deserves it. She did, you know, she put ATL on the map. She was the star of the first few seasons. I mean, obviously her and Kim kind of shared the spotlight. But now, you know, last season, even when she was being a complete monster it is

the nini show like reality check it is the nini show but i mean it's a smart move on her part to play nicey nice this season because a she needed to make up for last season and b as much as i love the new normal on nbc the ratings are not so great. It's only averaging about 5 million viewers, which is really only a few million viewers more than the ATL Housewives. So it's like, if that show goes away on NBC and Ryan Murphy doesn't have another role for Nene, bitch needs the Housewives. Yeah, and that

was very smart. Don't quit your job until you're sure you've got a new one. That was actually pretty smart. I still haven't even watched a new normal. How terrible is that? I've become brainwashed by all these reality shows. It's all I can watch. There's nothing wrong with it. You're only missing Ellen Barkin as an amazing Emmy, about to win the Emmy next year, racist.

It's fantastic. I saw Lucille Bluth first. She didn't annoy me as much on talk shows. Oh, snap. So let's move on to the B8. Well, first of all, so sad that Miami wasn't on this week. I hate you. I cannot live without The Real Housewives of Miami.

You know, I was a hater from the get-go. I hated season one. And you and Ben finally made me see the light. And at this point, I was ready to cancel Thanksgiving in order to get a new episode of Real Housewives of Miami. That's how I was like, I will skip the pie. By the way, I ate carbs. And I love that somebody tweeted me like, Matt, enjoy the holiday. You can finally eat some carbs.

I did. I gained three pounds. In one day or like a couple days? In like five days. But anyway, I mean, I really don't want to talk about it. I actually went to a diet for a whole month and then i was like oh i'll take thanksgiving off and i'm still off i'm still off too i'm sitting here right now with a glass of wine and a bag of potato chips it's disgusting

it's all i think about is fucking food now it's all i mean it's like it's suddenly back i was having freaking vegetable shakes and coconut water for a month and all of a sudden i'm like oh i need food next time you do that please do it as mama elsa i need to eat some food marisol i am too old to be skinny but okay so let's talk for a second is it not the saddest thing on the face of the earth that I cannot now at this point in my life go a week without Leah Black in my life? Yeah, people are really turning on her ass. A few of the people were saying, you know, that we're that because we interviewed Leah that we're being too nice to her and that she was being a total bitch at that party. And, you know, I think that they're kind of right in a way because this is very unfair you know we're not exactly objectionable what am i trying to say objectionable is not a fucking word i'm turning into porsche now objective objective thank you um we're not very objective nor should

we be look i think leah is a squawky old busy-bodiedbodied, pompous-ass jurist who fucked a lawyer, which is totally tacky, and she's ruining maids for the rest of us because every maid is going to be expecting shit from us. My maid wants guest quarters now. Yes, totally. Fuck that shit. Romana expects me to unchain her ass

and put balls in her hair every night now but you know i do forgive all that because i think she's just hilarious and i'm someone who really likes hanging out with weirdos as well and i forgive my weirdos for their bullshit behavior too i mean it's just look we talked about this last time we we taped an episode um none of us condone the fact that she is friends with that nasty bitch drag queen. And none of us condone the fact that, you know, she has a lot of, how would you call it, friends that are unsavory. But at the end of the day, we still love her. And guess what, people?

Her PR team got her on the show. So, you know, if Marisol's PR people want to get her on the show, we'll be nice to her for 45 minutes and pretend to care. I like Marisol. I would talk to her. I would just feel bad because I know that you and Ben would be like, so, imitate your mom. Do it. Okay.

Get to the point. Yeah, so we are unfair with Leah, but I like her. Sorry, suck it. Okay, well, let's talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills before we wrap this bitch up. Of course, we had to have another dinner party that ended with tears and screaming. But before we get there, we did have a little stop at the DMV. One of Kim's twin, I don't know, daughters that all look like her finally got her driver's license and was then able

to drive her mom's Maserati just like when I got our licenses. Yeah, no kidding. It's so obnoxious to watch. First of all, Kyle, I don't know why I ever liked Kyle because she has no personality to speak of at all. I mean, does that woman have anything to talk about?

We have to watch you take your goddamn brat to the DMV and especially after Lisa's already done it with Leech, Cedric. Yeah, I guess. Which was a hilarious scene when they were laughing about how dirty and gross all the poor people were. Loved that scene. We'll never forget it. That scene was amazing. And they jump into Lisa's blue, like, convertible.

And it was hilarious. But I don't. Kyle, actually, totally boring so boring it's like no one yes kyle we know you got a new fucking leased car from your husband okay we saw that already stop i don't know i think she's just kind of rubbing it in people's faces but i don't know that she's really snotty i just think she's personality free. More and more, like, the more I watch her on screen, the more I'm like, no wonder Kim is so fucked up and demented. I'm like, if I had to grow up and be sisters with Kyle, I would be a fucking mess too. Yeah.

I mean, it just proves that more and more each week. But before we get to the getaway up where, you know know what was it called i have never even been there oh hi oh hi whatever i've never been there but before we get there we do have to talk the beginning of the episode featured the the confrontation adrian and lisa sat down had a glass of wine and adrian kind of apologized and lisa definitely did not apologize no no lisa not only didn't apologize she kind of lectured her which i just loved i thought it was great i mean lisa is definitely not a fake bitch you can say whatever you want about her but adrian does not deserve an apology and she should have been groveling off the cameras the day of all that bullshit at the reunion

exactly she waited like six to eight months to finally you know get down on her knees and you know apologize to lisa but she didn't even go about it the right way and i loved when you know she was just rambling and dancing around the you know get to the point bitch and say i'm sorry and they cut to lisa in the confessional and she was like i'm waiting well we both work and we were both mothers and, you know, as busy women, as two busy women, we should really, you know, find it in our hearts to forgive each other. I think Lisa's just like, what? What are you talking about? So are you sorry? Are you not sorry? Exactly. That had nothing to do with the malicious things that Adrian said about her. And I was just

like, get to the fucking point. And again, I agree with you. i don't think that lisa owed adrian shit for her to make a rhyme between her last name and the word hoof if that is all that is really upsetting you you are a petty fake bitch yeah she really is especially adrian's old enough to know that in the 20s hoofers were dancers and they were not ugly horses they were gorgeous dancers and lisa's old enough to know that reference too. It was nothing offensive and it's so annoying that Adrienne tried to make it that way. And what makes me even more annoyed is that her husband is buying into all of this, Paul.

It makes me crazy that Paul is so upset over stupid rhymes. Like, what a blowhard. When did Flintstone become such an asshole? Well, I think that like, I mean, obviously this is before his marriage to Adrian completely felt a part to ship, but I just think that she's very, very controlling. I mean, that's obvious the way that she acts on the show. I mean, she's awful.

And I think that he felt forced to defend her. And I understand a husband defending a wife, but when your wife is that fucking wrong, you need to pull her aside and go, are wrong get your act together and i just think that this whole you know parade of adrian like pretending to apologize first of all we know that she is not really wanting to forgive and forget she really truly does hate lisa and um she doesn't want to apologize to her and that's fairly obvious but i just don't think that Adrienne is going about this the right way. I think that she is now hated by viewers and by her cast members. Oh, yeah.

We've got this one girl on TV, Gasm, who's a commenter. And God, don't worry. I'm not going to trash a commenter. But she's always on my ass about making fun of people that she likes. She's like, why are you mean to Taylor? Why are you mean to Adrienne? I'm like, bitch, you are the only person in the world nice enough to be sticking up for these evil, horrible women. And I try not to comment back because I have so much time to just rant on about my opinion and this show and, you know, all this stuff.

But I just need to shut the fuck up. But how it I guess my point is this girl is so nice, but I'm like, how can you stick up for Satan? I mean, she she even looks like Satan. She looks like the villain from Harry Potter, the snake guy. I don't know how anybody can back Adrian. I truly don't get it. But like you said, I think it was completely delicious. They were clearly there for no more than 10 or 15 minutes.

Lisa just pounded that glass of Pinot Grigio. She had a delicate, not delicate, but she had like a concise speech prepared for adrian and she really let her have it i mean she really didn't need to embarrass adrian because adrian does enough of that on her own but her like really just you know great delivery of you know exactly how she felt just i i felt like it just made adrian look like a fucking fool oh it really did and when they showed the clip first of all ad Adrian was wearing a Miss Piggy dress from The Great Muppet Caper. So when they showed that reunion clip of her in the Miss Piggy dress, really going after Lisa. I mean, I forgot how hard she went after Lisa, accusing her of selling stories.

I remember that it came up and that there was a fight. But I don't remember that she just kept on and on and on about it. I mean, she really went off. So it's good to see her get her due. And, you know, even though Brandy is a total bulldog for Lisa because Lisa is, you know, helping her out financially. She's helping her out career-wise. You know, she's the new Cedric. She's the new Leach.

And it is a little bit obnoxious to see her go after somebody else. But to see her tell Adrian to go fuck herself or whatever was just wonderful oh it was just wonderful and we all know how this story is going to end she will like you said be the new Cedric and she will eventually bite the hand that feeds and start fighting with Lisa

and it will make for great TV but in the meantime as long as she is putting her vitriol is that a word vitriol? vitriol yeah as long as she is pointing that towardsriol, is that a word, vitriol? Vitriol, yeah. As long as she is pointing that towards Adrian and getting the other people to chime in, it is hilarious. Well, I will actually make a prediction, a disagreeable prediction, because I don't think she's going to bite the hand that feeds her. From what I've seen of her just around town, she's maintained some pretty wealthy friend highfalutin friends and she doesn't act like an asshole i've you know i've seen her around i've never seen her acting

like i mean there's no doubt that she's uncouth and she is a rougher around the edges but i mean in this past episode we actually did see her kind of admit to a lot of her flaws and, you know, say that, you know, she's Alexa pro hooker and, uh, you know, a cum receptacle for all the men of the South Bay area, which, you know, is true.

So I, that I called her a cum receptacle. Yeah. That's a, that's a great, totally caught me off guard. Sorry. Sorry.

If I made you, uh, clutch your pearls for once but no i i really i hope that she doesn't bite the hand that feeds because i do like her teaming up with lisa i think it is fun but i will say you know she's no innocent she is kind of an asshole she did a couple things in this episode that were like wow brandy she's just it's like she has no not filter but i don't even know what it is like she's so insecure that she just keeps fucking herself over like when lisa's saying oh you're so beautiful all

the girls just don't like you because you're pretty and she's like well the only pretty girl like me you and who was the other one camille yeah cross the return of camille please but and then when she was talking to Kim, her apology was not an apology. She was saying, she said, well, you know, I don't want you to think I'm judging you. Well, you said at least I'm not doing meth in the bathroom all night, bitch. So you were judging her. It does not get more judgy than that. Because you called her a slutty cokehead bitch.

Like, I'm sorry. Like, that's not just like me standing in front of a party, which I often do, and giving you a cross eye. Yeah, and she's like, well, you know, I just, I don't want you to think I'm judging you. It's just that I've been through the same thing. I was just trying to help you. Yeah, that was really helpful. What she should say, you know, what kim honestly needs to hear is look um you were really i was feeling insecure i didn't know any of these ladies you hid my crutches and were really

mean to me for no reason and i got super defensive and turned into a total vile bitch i'm really sorry but you made me feel so bad you know i'm kind of owed an apology too but kim it's like oh i was an alcoholic so everything's forgiven and that always makes me crazy with fucking alcoholics because trust me i've had plenty of them in my life and i totally carry you know what how come nobody's buying me shit and stroking my hair just because i wasn't wasted half of my life you know well that's that's a thing prize um i'm watching this episode i'm going the entire time i love kim i love kim i love this woman she makes for great tv i am rooting for her i'm rooting for her go make some chicken salad with your hands and then we get to the end of the episode and i think that she is kind of

taking brandy's you know quasi apology slash compliments about her daughter's well and i'm thinking okay these tears are happy tears i'm finally in a good place slash please pass me you know uh you know a vodka soda under the table but in reality those tears were coming down because she still is so fucking angry at brandy and all she should be angry at is herself and her fucking sister kyle well and let's look at why she's angry with brandy, not just because of the mean way, the mean stuff that Brandy said, but if you look at it,

Brandy outed her on national television and forced Kim to give up drinking in the first place. But isn't that in a fucked up way, like really great that she exposed Kim and it made Kim get her life together and it made probably Kim's kids end up not fucking hating her for the rest of time? Maybe, but you know,

just because you run, run somebody down and kill them and then you decide to go to AA, you know, that you're not going to necessarily thank that person, you know, for ruining your life just because you went to AA. I mean, I don't know if that makes any sense,

but I think that Kim is just basically blaming Brandy for having to sober. I think she's mad that she has to be sober. I feel like she's totally being forced into sobriety and she doesn't like it. Look, I don't blame her. I don't like sobriety either. I think it's horrible. It's a horrible way to live. It's not a real way to live. Just like not eating carbs is not a real way to live.

You need some alcohol and you need some bread in your fucking lives. Yeah, totally agreed. And look, I really like him. But when I look at somebody refusing still at this point when she's supposedly sobered up which i'm still not quite sure about but i'm rooting for her because she's still crazy sober which i love but you know for somebody who's supposedly sober and got all their shit together to still not be able to take enough responsibility to say you know what i was a real bitch to you at that party for no reason. I ganged up on you with my sister. It was

uncalled for, and I'm sorry. She's never going to say that. But that's the thing. That's why I can never totally be behind Kim, because I've known too many people like that who fuck up everything, fuck up everyone's life, fuck up their own life, and then they're like, oh, well, I went to an AA meeting, and then we're all supposed to buy

them Christmas presents and, you know, call them every day to make sure they're doing okay you know what fuck off that's your problem you need to take care of your shit and stop blaming everybody else for your shit because you did it okay well let's talk for a second about uh you know when this goes down adrian kind of starts to get in the mix from the other end of the table and brandy is having none of it. And classy Brandy, as she always does, then decides to get ghetto, and she says, shut the fuck up at the dinner table to Adrian,

which, by the way, was the best part of the entire episode. Well, a couple of weird editing things were happening last night. That was a really weird one, because they were doing soap dish editing. Do you remember that movie, Soap Dish? Of course I do,

but I feel like they totally pumped up Adrian's mic and drowned everybody else out when clearly she was having that conversation with like lisa and kyle at the end of the tape well they they did some tricky editing soap dish editing where something would be said and then they would do shocked close-ups of everybody at the table which was so soapy and hilarious. And they did it for that. And then Brandy repeated it, which I love. She's like, shut the fuck up or whatever. And then as Leah Black, she said that. But they also did it when Lisa said, oh, why are you always taking the piss out of me, Kyle? You know, now you've got someone else here with an accent.

Why don't you make fun of her for a while? Cut to Kyle looking all shocked. Cut to everybody looking like that was the most offensive thing ever said you know how dare she right and what what are all these people are too good to hear the f word at the table give me a break and then next week we see taylor and kyle flashing their vajayjays at the camera um we've seen kyle almost attack an old woman for thinking her husband was hot we've've seen Kyle jump somebody and beat the shit out of her and call her an alcoholic in a limo. And we've seen Taylor kill her husband.

By proxy. By proxy. But still, she was the one behind it. There's no doubt. Yeah. So there you go. They're pretty horrible. So I think it's funny that they're so judgmental.

And then next week they're total harlots. I know. Well, they're so judgmental, and then next week they're total harlots. I know. Well, they're complete hypocrites. If anybody is a complete hypocrite, it is Kyle and Taylor. And they're going to prove it once again next week where they're going to get sloppy drunk, show their badges all over TV, and act like young teenage morons. young teenage morons and i just love in the preview where they show yolanda sitting back and going like um how do you people deal with each other because you're all some crazy bitches and i'm like um did you see what show you were signing up for no kidding where the fuck do you think you are lady yeah this doesn't just because it's 90210 does not make it classy honey and you

weren't married to fucking chloris leachman look-alike who dates like teenagers and has a sex chamber stop acting like you're so above it all you i love her she is above it all she actually is classier and richer and prettier than all these other scats whatever she's another skank who married well i'm so sick of these women acting like they've got class because they married rich dudes like please lady all you've ever done your whole life is walk around in bikinis because god gave you some prettiness and then you married rich dudes stop acting like fucking mother theresa over there okay step down oh snap well i love yolanda and i just want to see her kind of i don't know

i just want i really would just like yolanda to be mean to taylor all season long essentially and i would really just like her in the next episode to put her finger in Taylor's face and go, you are an ugly drunk woman. She probably will. Well, my favorite quote, I think, from the whole thing was Taylor saying, you know, Brandy, it's like we can't even invite her anywhere because the effort comes out.

I mean, she's just toxic. Bitch, you are toxic. Look at all those fillers in your face. If you died, you would not decompose. You are the Look at all those fillers in your face If you died you would not decompose You are the toxic one You are literally toxic She is but I You know I hate her

And I really question why she's even on this show She has no more storyline She has no money She cannot afford to live in this zip code But you know I think that other people agree with us And it will be fun to watch her embarrass herself as a drunk skank for the rest of the season. And hopefully all the women will turn on her. And it will be amazing TV.

Oh, yeah. Because before the season started airing, all the news reports were that Taylor is just a fall-down drunk. Oh, and that she's more fucked up than Kim is. Oh, yeah. The show has been shielding it. There was a clip of her with Faye Resnick out at some club, and they came out, and TMZ was standing outside. And Taylor was dead. I mean, Faye Resnick was literally holding her up, and Taylor wouldn't leave, and she's trying to get her to leave.

And that was, I think, in the first season. Please refer to her as the morally corrupt favorite yes i'm so sorry don't forget her title it's like the countess luann de la seps it's the morally corrupt don't fuck around my other favorite part of this episode was kim even though i'm going off on kim for not taking responsibility i still fucking love kim and what all those moments of her trying to figure out what was happening with Brandy. Well, Brandy, but she said, interesting. I love that the editors will put in a solid minute of Kim just staring off into space and you can see those little mice running around inside of her brain.

Gasping for air. She can't even put the sentence together it's so sad but i fucking love me some kim richards and by the way who did she like hang out with like how did this whole ohai situation happen because kim has doesn't have a pot to piss in clearly we we saw her making chicken salad with her bare hands for her daughter's prom last episode. But it's like how did she lock down this gorgeous place in Ojai? Well, I think she was making that chicken salad like three hours before they were ready to film. And the producers were standing around her living room all awkwardly while she was like making them look at pictures of her children. And then she was probably like, oh, I want to be high. And they were like, oh, hi.

We know people in Ojai. Sure, we'll hook that up. And she's like, wait a second, what are you doing? What's that? Chicken salad? And they were like, yeah. And then it all happened. And suddenly she's planned a trip to Ojai.

We all need a producer in our life. I am convinced that whenever the producers are at her house, they put a little black piece of gaffer's tape over the red record button on the cameras. And so she has no idea that they're filming her in all of these awkward long silences petting food and staring

out the window. And then it all just gets revealed when they edit it together and they're like, oops, sorry, we actually were recording all of that awkward shit. I'm convinced. I just wish. I think that Kim, she's one of the only ones who doesn't have a business yet, right? On the show.

Her business is taking money from Maurice in order to pay her bills. That is considered a business. I think that she should start a speech writing service. Hey, everybody. Thanks so much for coming to get high in this pretty hotel. You know, we don't need to be at the Olive Garden to make olive branches for each other. So everybody take a branch and let's not be mean to each other. Except I don't want to sit by Brandi.

She's a cunt. But everybody else. Jesus, Kim. Focus. Focus, Kim. Focus. Focus, Kim. A mess. And then Yolanda could not handle any more of it that she just grabbed Kim by the neck and pulled her into her bosom just to stifle her fucking ridiculousness. Here, honey, come over here and let me give you a hug and shut you the fuck up.

And I love that she's so friendly with Yolanda and they're like the two most boring people together they won't that's never gonna work i don't care they're my two favorites welcome to my home oh so pretty here wow what a pretty house yes this is my home oh look my son got a haircut oh wow that's handsome you're a nice lady yeah you're nice i love how you made kids and stuff. That's great. Hey, I made kids too. Oh, this is wonderful. I drew this house. I draw lots of things. You got any napkins? I'll show you. I can draw

stuff. I can draw Emilio Estevez surfing. Don't ask me where I learned it. It's a story. Like, what are these two gonna talk about? Who cares? Who cares what they talk about oh my god i love them oh my god well we said we were gonna do 10 minutes on each of these shows and it's turned into a lot longer okay well we've done enough thank you all for sticking around and

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