Watch What Crappens - #490 SouthernCharmSav: Conflicting Engagements

Episode Date: June 30, 2017

"Southern Charm Savannah" ended its first season with quite a few surprises. First, Lyle popped the question to Catherine, and the results were not quite what he was looking for. Even worse..., he totally undercut Ashley's masquerade fundraiser, leaving her to stew in her mask. So rude. We break it all down PLUS it's Friday, which means it's time for Crappens Mailbag!! Happy weekend y'all! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.Our Patreon Extras: https://patreon.com/watchwhatcrappens See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:19 A podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to watch. I'm Ben Mandelker from BSIBLOG.com and the Bantre Blender, and joining me as always is the hilarious and wonderful and extra Southern Ronnie Carrom from trashtalktv.com and the Rose Pricks Bachelor podcast, what's up Ronnie? Well, hello, boeim. Hello, hello, today's a special day, you know why? Because it's Friday. Fuffa Friday, and not only that, today is the day that our tickets for our live show at the Terram Ballroom
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Starting point is 00:03:25 It's going to be amazing. Make a roach or bad of it. Come, come from far and wide. Come from next door. We don't care. We just want you to be there. As Alita Adams once sang, just get there. Didn't she sing that?
Starting point is 00:03:37 Get there right away. I don't care how you get here. Just get here if you can, okay. You can do it by trailway. You can do it by railway. You can do it by trailway, you can do it by railway. You can do it by Uber. You can do it by lift. I don't care how you get here. We'll sing that. We'll sing that there. If you get there. Hooray! You can say away into my life.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Take me up on a coffee ride. I don't care how you get to crap ends. Just get there if you can. And what ever happened to Alita Adams? These things will be wondering at the crap ends I just come. We will actually get to the bottom of it and we will have the answer.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Maybe we'll have Alita Adams there herself. You never know guys. Maybe Alita will be our special guest. And we'll be like, what did you think about Real Housewives of New York tonight? She'll be like, I just wish that they would get here. We'll be like, that's it. All she has to say in life is that she just wants people to get there. Yeah, just get here. Just get here. We'll be like, what do you think about Ramona? And she'll be like, she could carpet ride into my life. We'll be like, yeah, we get it, Alina, we get it. We're with you. Just get here. Just get here. It should be great to remain. Just get here. So today, in the meantime, we've got a little bram bram bram bram. Yeah. Is this the same lady who
Starting point is 00:04:59 does the ladies of London music? What do you think? Probably, Bravo just has her on hired to do all the generic songs in all the franchises. Cause I couldn't even pick this song out of a lineup. I don't know any song. Yeah. I love it. I love it. If it was a ladies of London,
Starting point is 00:05:17 it would have, the lady from ladies of London, it would have been like, I don't care about it, Lanter, I care about Savannah, Savannah Benchgoose Think you get to do before you walk in the South Don't don't think you get to do before you walk in the South Crabin marshes crab in marshes So they had an article about have this season was so
Starting point is 00:05:43 Controversial because of racial remarks made by Nelson. And so they kicked Nelson off from being the narrator, which I miss that. I miss Nelson being like, and then my friends went to about with the juggler. I miss him being the narrator because now it's Ashley and she's like, despite my reservations, I've reconnected with my childhood friends. I need Nelson back. I want Nelson back as a narrator. Yeah, I like it. Nelson really did grow on me over the course of the season. I think it's
Starting point is 00:06:12 because I just felt a huge amount of pity for him. Which is weird because I shouldn't because he's the one who's the most racist and terrible. Yeah, but his racist statements were made trying to be like a bro with a guy like hello my Ann worried about then he used a Yiddish version of that. Yeah, so like try and be in with the boys. So I would I would file that under ignorant. Yeah, and I grew to really appreciate his fluffy hair and you know his mom he and his relationship with his mom and I don't know I just grew to really like Nelson. Well, we have to take responsibility for the words
Starting point is 00:06:48 that we say, Nelson. He's like, Well, I'll tell you about responsibility. Come to me. Just like, all right. Hey, your fancy talk isn't gonna run circles around me, young man. He's like, oh, mom, I love you.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Let's go, Jelly Bean, start together. Work, work, work, work work work work as Rihanna says say I'm not racist so we're already crazy and this is first season finale who knows maybe it's a serious finale I don't know how it rated but it opens up with Catherine Catherine visiting Brandon her gay and having some love. And he's like, now, listen, Catherine, I don't feel your heart is in design. And I'm not just saying that because you live in the studio apartment with black furniture, okay? I don't think your heart's in it. Pop, you want some samples? And Angel just got its wings.
Starting point is 00:07:40 And get one of them trays. I don't care with silver trace something to put cheese on Yeah Girl I like when he's like now you know I'm an international designer. She says as one claims And he's like uh-huh and he and and so she's like yeah, you know I think I just needed to take a step back I'm like sick it take a step back from what what are you doing in your life? That you're like stressed from, like too many trips to the miniature golf course. Well, he had a blue ball and I had a pink ball,
Starting point is 00:08:15 which made me think about, I forgot. He's like, uh-huh. You know what I think you should do? Be less getter brain. He's like, well, I would love to do that, but I need to focus on I forgot I forgot I've just been you know doing all this stuff and I don't want to be you know 45 and be like what did I do in my life? I just I want to know I did something other than just take trips to Bevmo over and over and over again
Starting point is 00:08:44 By the way, we should go to Bevmo. By the way, it's like good idea girl. She's like, when you get 30 things get real and he's like, well, when you get 40, it's real, real. Then there's some pops up. Re-Re, I love her. I'm that racist. Better work, work, work, work, work. I love that song about the burning bed with the eminiums.
Starting point is 00:09:07 So then, yeah, so basically, Katherine doesn't know what she's doing with her life, etc. And then, Lyle, he goes to visit Chuck, Katherine's dad. He's like, I'm real nervous now. I'm gonna ask Chuck for his daughter's hand in marriage and nervous and stuff. You don't mind if I sit here in the 11th room and wait for you for 30 minutes to pull bed, drag, do your future father a lot of possible after it says yes, which hopefully should work because I'm an office rat. And so basically, Lyle asks Chuck for you know approve of all to have take
Starting point is 00:09:46 Catherine's hand of marriage and Chuck is like well Of course Just Josh and yeah, of course take her take that crazy old bitch Now you know this means we don't have to pay a phone bill anymore. Don't you son? Why the bed it? her son, like, why the baby? And then big cat comes in. I love that the mom is big cat. And she comes and she's like, hi, hi, what's going on? Well, I just want to ask your daughter's hand a marriage. She's like, I think I'm going to cry. We don't have to fund that at Trojist Studio apartment anymore. I thought about this and I thought about this while I masturbated over and over again. I thought about it good
Starting point is 00:10:27 It's a funny honey concentrate now And last but not the government over here to tuck seed out to take her to prom that blow job She gave me was amazing It's a long time coming in yet Wow girls, I feel like a bill you bucks. Now, you're like good. Let's hope that translates the money because we are dumb with her bills I only want to take up skirt photos of one girl for the rest of my life Keep a talkin' son. So then the music is like dumb.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Like is it a detective show in the 70s? Is fucking Linda Carter gonna come out here with Lamy Anderson trying to figure out, you know, how to get a Dorum locked And he's just leaving. You couldn't even bother to include Angie Dickinson into that analogy. I know also that was so an 80s show I'm so embarrassed So Hannah goes over to visit Lui and They just start to fight. Well, I love that the camera guys are like, guys, Louie is totally irresponsible. You can tell because he's wearing a rubber band as a bracelet.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Let's get a close up about that. Okay, guys, there are overbanz to remind him that there are more tables one fold Oh She's like wow here. We are in a couch without a table unfolded in front of it. Isn't this nice Louie? Tell me where your appetizer is gonna go hmm Not sure about that. So let me guess you don't have a bag of potato chips. Okay, people are hungry. Huh? Let me guess, you have it even labeled anything on your cute little chalkboards, huh?
Starting point is 00:12:33 He's like, well, I was thinking we could have. I can make you some chicken alfredo to not take care of you. And she's like, uh-huh. Yeah, right. What's headed to bro going to think about that that making chicken out of her favorite bus boy. Love afraid. I just don't be offered to check. Hannah's like, look, I'm just looking for answers, Louis. I had a conversation with my dad and like, he wants us to work out.
Starting point is 00:13:02 And he has faith that you'll take steps that I need to happen I'm like your dad basically screened fire And told him to run out of the theater before his skin burns off like that's what your dad told it And Hannah you were the theater and you're not just a theater. You're the theater playing the mummy the new mummy Get out get out. It won't get better It's like Tom Cruise was so unprepared for this film. Ha ha ha ha. Tom Cruise has been secretly directing Hannah's life.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Good. And Louie's like, look, I don't want to talk about this anymore, OK? You're not my mom. I don't want to be your dad. And I'm not perfect. And you're not perfect. Like, someday, I'm going to get a parking ticket.
Starting point is 00:13:44 She's like, God, Louie. Why are you such a bad parker? I tell you all the time you got put money in the meter. He's like, it was a theoretical, but theoretically, why don't you put money in the meter theoretically even? He's like, look, here's things I plan. Socks. Okay, I plan socks.
Starting point is 00:14:01 He's like, oh, you're so immature. And he's like, you make me seem like an adolescent and that is outrageous. I'm going my room, I'm gonna slam my door. But he's like, you know, you're always freaking out about all these insignificant things. She's like, they're not insignificant. Folding tables are important.
Starting point is 00:14:21 I had to pour potato chips into a bowl by myself because you are off god knows where lewis he's like oh sucks to be fair lewis doing that classic thing that guys always do the women being like uh... you're always freaking out about it in significant things which then makes the woman feel crazy because she's like uh... there's the the fact that you don't see the significance of them makes me mad and now i'm mad and now I look like the crazy bitch. Yeah, but then she's doing that thing
Starting point is 00:14:48 that girls do to their boyfriends where she's like, I would love you better if you were just what I wanted you to be. True. True. It's like a little toddler, you know? Like you're a mom and then you have this little toddler throwing food at you and you're like,
Starting point is 00:14:59 oh, you're so immature. It's a toddler, okay. Yeah, so what we're saying is, they seem to be a little toxic So she's like she's like, you know, it's always I just always feel like with you It's always like one step forward and two steps back and it's like I think you fail to see the steps forward and MC SCAT Cat He's like well one step for man and then like 20 steps forward for mankind or whatever is soft She's like, okay.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Well, you found the moon, so it's great. What, you think they landed on the moon without socks? I mean, come on. He's like dinosaur socks, okay? Yeah. So Catherine, happy at, oh no, sorry, were you gonna? No, I was just gonna mention that like, she starts to cry and he hands her a tissue
Starting point is 00:15:42 and I could just imagine being like, so does this kind of the step me giving you the tissue? Anyway, he's like look I'm prepared with the clean x. It's like dammit! That's a fabric sample, Louie. Ashley's like I started fabric samples. You're not even in this scene, Ashley. Please leave. Just because you work at Costco on the slide does not mean you are the queen of samples. Well, excuse me for wanting free bigs and a blanket my entire life.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Excuse me for enjoying the $1.50 hot dog and so it'll deal. So now as you were saying, Catherine, call the sample not lunch Hannah. Please leave our scene. You know what, I will leave this scene. Okay, because I can see I'm not getting through to you. I hate when she buss in during our arguments. I started scenes. That was my line, Miss 30-year-old.
Starting point is 00:16:51 There everyone's just overlapping from all the shows. Well, this show needs it. I mean, this season finale, I was like, what? You're fighting about your stupid relationship. I, yeah. On a couch of somewhere, I don't even know where you are. I didn't even write it down. Where are you?
Starting point is 00:17:08 What's going on? What's happening? What's your brand here? So, Catherine, Hannah, and Happy, go shooting for them. I'm not shooting them. Go shopping for a masquerade because remember when Ashley was like, we should do a masquerade. Like a fundraiser for everyone who got affected by the hurricane. And they're like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:25 And then Ashley went and followed through another like, we actually have to do this. They're like, is this a Heidi party? Heidi. Heidi. So Ashley's hosting a masquerade ball from seven to nine. And I'm like, that's very short for a masquerade ball. It's like a, it's, it's borderline happy hour.
Starting point is 00:17:48 I'm not talking about you happy, but it's almost like happy hour hours. Two hours? It should really be from seven to midnight if you ask me. I mean, what ball does not have a strike of midnight in it? Does that barn not have a time limit? Or does that barn have a two hour time limit? They have a cow's called for a curfew. You know she didn't wanna pay all those cater waiters more than two hours.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah, that's true. Production was like, okay, you've got $20 for your stupid party. She's like, how am I gonna afford my mask? Okay, so she, okay, we'll talk about her mask when we get there, but I'm still horrified by her mask. It was also probably a misjudgment to do a mask grade ball. Maybe it probably should been something more casual and like a silent auction or something like that, but I get the sense
Starting point is 00:18:32 that this was thrown together very quickly, like within two weeks, which is also not a great idea for a fundraiser, but whatever. Also, if you don't know anybody who could possibly come to this, maybe you shouldn't have it. She's like, I'm going to invite the 10 people that I know. And then even the people that were there were like, hi, nice to meet you. Twitter people. I mean, clearly production, egg turned into it. I was like, yeah, you should have a, we should have a ball and we'll have everyone come. It'll be a great scene.
Starting point is 00:19:02 It'll be a season finale. You'll be the hostess of the season finale party. She's like, great. No mask, no problem. They're like unhappy guys. I think I'd rather get my own mask. I love how snotty happy is. Like every episode she always has some snotty remark. That's just so brilliant. And so stupid. Like, meeting stupid as in, like a snotty remark about the mask. Like that's just so brilliant and so stupid like meeting stupid as in like a snotty remark about the mask like that's that's her battleground right there if you think I'm gonna trust Ashley to pick a mask for me you've got another thing
Starting point is 00:19:36 coming hello I'm the share of this group and I'm bringing the mask. I like that they were in a store called Blue Bell. A, that's an ice cream. That's an ice cream. I was misspelled, what was for that? That's ice cream from Texas. And B, it's spelled like blue from blue cheese. Yeah. Oh my God, I would go.
Starting point is 00:19:59 You saw that happy is sort of, she unleashed one of her pandid remarks on our Instagram, right? No, what she's saying. I put up a picture of, this is jumping out a little bit, but I put up a picture of Ashley in her mask looking furious. I thought it was actually kind of an amazing image, and I put up and I just said, mask a rude, and then someone posted something like, you know, well, you know, they, like these people should not have R.C.P. for the event and then gone to this impromptu party with everyone.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Someone was just like going on about etiquette and I kind of agreed with them and happy was like, is it wrong that we went to something when we think our best friend is about to get engaged? Is it wrong? I was like, I love happy. I just, I really, like, truly love her. Um, yes, actually, it is wrong. Yes love her. Yes, actually, it is wrong. Yes, it is wrong.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Yes, it is wrong. You should have texted Lionel and said, we have the finale party tonight. You don't get to just change the night of the finale party. He's like, all right, everybody, we're going to have a finale party. I want instead. No. The finale party is already on the production schedules. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:04 So that's where you go Well, I I have some very distinct opinions about this, but we'll get to that because right now we are at blue bail Blue bail and Catherine's like let me read this invitation To raise money for her okay, I'm This too much. She was like, well, I just was invited to play Candy Crush on Facebook. I'll be back. Is that like, are we supposed to go somewhere on Crush Candy somewhere? Are we making like some public box? I don't get it.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Where's Brandon? So next up Ashley's driving around in her car and she's like, Ashley is driving around in her car and she's like, Hi mom, how are you? How are you doing? And she goes, she goes, I'm making the world a hell for your place. How about you? Good mom, you're so inspiring.
Starting point is 00:21:56 So I found the house for me and Izzy. So I gotta be sensitive to the stupid husband because he's probably gonna feel bad about it. And like, you know what I mean? Just making the world a nice low fat chicks mix. Heba, G-washed. Mama, I already told you. Or I will, here I am.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Huck in the world. One human spirit at a time. It's like mama. Mama. So then, you know, she's talking about how she's planning this ball and we get a flashback of Ashley at the venue. And she's all excited. Like, oh oh everyone's
Starting point is 00:22:25 gonna be in tuxes and ballgowns and Nelson goes penguins everywhere and I know what he meant like took people in tuxedos but I actually sort of felt like he was secretly expecting there to be real life penguins. Yeah he was thinking of that scene in Mary Poppins but they're just like dancing around with the penguins. He's like I love her. Happy feet. I Love you Mary, and no, I didn't mean you brand in. Well, everyone think I'm guy What's up my M word? That's for Mary. Oh great you that can be insult to oh Jesus. Oh Jesus, man, the guys hate me mama. She's like, we'll talk about it at the jelly bean store.
Starting point is 00:23:09 You just just stop saying things Nielsen just stop talking and Ashley's like, yeah, being an adult sex sometimes. It would be nice just the universe handed you an instruction book on how to do this before you learned to walk here. So then the bros get together. I just have to say this one thing. I'm so sorry. I just wrote that she's like, okay, anyway, mom, bat the party. Oh, mom, there's a tree that went down.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Oh, this hurricane. Like people are like displaced. The only thing on this, this happened to people on the show is like a tree. So the bros now going meet up and I like that when Louis arrives, Laugh goes, big Lou! I don't know why I just thought that was funny. And then getting back, getting back, he's like, wow, not hair, Laugh, Did you curl it? He's like, y'all curl it. That's a cute. So the guys are just talking about stuff.
Starting point is 00:24:09 So Daniel, he feels a drift in life, you know, because he's working at the dad's law firm and blah, blah, blah, blah. And Louis, he's like, I think Hannah's more scared of commitment than I am. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then Lyle is like, he's just listening. He's not telling the bros that he's gonna marry Catherine, but you know, he's sitting on this information.
Starting point is 00:24:30 We can see he's sort of like, he wants to tell them, but he doesn't. And Louis is like, well, I don't know about when we're gonna get married. And Lyle says, if you like it, put a ray on it. He's like, thanks Beyonce. He's like, who's that all my women who independent throw your hands about me am I right all the ladies in Mercedes who
Starting point is 00:24:55 bought that for you Bill's bills bills I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous.
Starting point is 00:25:20 I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'm at the end of their plans, but still I'm lonely. Like, okay, fast forward. Masked grade ball set up. Ash is like, hi everybody, it's me, Ashley. Oh, you're all working great. Good to see you. I'm so excited to throw a great party. Let's put some tables outside. How about that? Let's enjoy the city that race does. Okay, Bob, I'm going to go get ready. I've invited tens of people. So everyone's getting ready. Daniel's doing push-ups in the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:25:49 And Lyle goes over to Captain's apartment. He's like, Kidding, Kidding, you hear Kidding? She's like, Lyle, I'm getting dressed. I'm getting ready. What's going on? All right, what's here?
Starting point is 00:26:00 So he's nervous because he has a whole plan that he's gonna like take her on a boat and he's going to propose to her and take her on a boat and do and then like meet up with people on the dock with the boat lands and he's told that they're taking a boat to this thing or whatever and she doesn't really know what's going on, but she's like, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, she's like, well, do you have your cup links? Should we get Louis to do the winky dinky dance? And he's like, I love your place, but it's not big and a thought to two of us.
Starting point is 00:26:31 And she says, well, then thank goodness, it's just me. Yeah. This poor guy is like not taking the hint at all. Yeah. So then Louis and Hannah, he goes outside to call Hannah and he's like, I'll go to throw a walk. And she's like, well, what's happening over there? What are we doing here?
Starting point is 00:26:51 Okay, look, we'll go. We'll just bring our mask. And if we can make it to Ashley's thing, we'll go. Yeah, because he says, look, go and be it, be it whisks or whatever that place was. Be there at six. I'm gonna propose a six. Be there at six. And then, propose six. Be there at six.
Starting point is 00:27:05 And then, you know, we're going to mask right afterwards. And she's like, oh my God. Okay, all right, we'll do that. Which, already. So here, the hair's starting to stand up on the back of my neck because we know this is not gonna work out. And I think it's so rude because say what you will about Ashley.
Starting point is 00:27:21 She put together a ball. It's only two hours long. Like what the fuck? Can't you propose it, she's putting together a ball. It's only two hours long. Like what the fuck can't you propose it like 930? Still works. Yeah, no kidding. Use the stage at the paid for barn. Yeah. Like why do you got to have a separate boat?
Starting point is 00:27:33 Yeah, exactly. Do it at the ball. Ashley will be so flatter that you used her ball to have this special moment. She's like, look at the S. We brought everyone together, you know? Yeah. And he's like, well, Ashley's Vodre is in his potent as the rest of my life. Like, well? Yeah, and he's like, well, as Liz Vudres, that isn't his potent, is the rest of my life. Like, well, yeah, but you're like planning the rest
Starting point is 00:27:50 of your life to see some finale, you get a free yacht, and you're ruining the finale party, and your show needs all the help it can get. So you're kind of fucking all of this up, especially when Catherine said, fly out a million times, she's not into this. It's funny, you know, I may be because I just don't pay attention because remember I kept on saying,
Starting point is 00:28:08 why do we always see these scenes where they go bowling or play golf, you know, miniature golf? I'm like, they have such a nice, low-key relationship going on. I had no idea that I was being set up for something. Because they keep describing it in different ways. This whole show does, okay, basically what happens,, we haven't talked to anybody, but it looks like this is what happened. They were like, let's do a Southern Charm Savannah, and then somebody just called all the
Starting point is 00:28:33 old friends. It was like, you want to move back in town? Yeah. So they all moved back in town. I was like, sure, I'll come out of the table. Hey, Shok, we died again. And she's like, whatever. Okay, we'll pretend to date for a while.
Starting point is 00:28:44 So one of them is saying like we've been together This is we've was six-tayed and the other ones like we've been together two weeks Yeah, so it's hard to know what they're talking about. I'm sure he thinks this is gonna be like a big romantic season finale proposal And she's more likely to say yes, and then just tell them off later but nope. Yeah, so they so he starts driving he and he and Catherine are driving to this this woodsy area, this park or wherever and he's nervous and she's even she's like feels sick. Maybe she has a like she has a feeling of what's going on or she's ever heard something.
Starting point is 00:29:20 She's like my tongue, her. Can I have some thumbs from my top? Oh, I just got it Oh, wow, I need to take a step back from that that was a little intense all that deductions So they arrive at this doc and Catherine's like she's she's actually really eager to get to the ball So she's like all right. How much minutes do we have? And Laos goes wait I have something I need to talk to you about Katherine, this is real serious, Katherine. She's like, no, you go look at the boat, I have to shit, okay? Now just go look at the boat and she can just keep saying, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:30:02 And I was like, it went to commercial. And I was like, oh, OK, I get it. Provas make it look like it's going to go down and flames. I get it the old misdirection. And then when we come back, she's like, lyle, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, oh my god, this wrongs you. It's not that I'm complaining, but don't we have somewhere to be? And then they cut back if she's taking him off camera. Yeah, where, of course, they're still mics, but no one ever realizes that.
Starting point is 00:30:53 And she's like, no, dammit, no. And he's like, oh, I'm asking you right now to be my wife. What's your answer? She's like, no, dammit, I said no. She is fully crying. And at one place, her does this thing that's like a croaking and weeds mixing one. He's like, I wasn't a barrio.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Oh, God. And she's like, I cannot believe you would do this to me without talking about finances. And those are all their stuff. But this is not the top. And he's like, I'm'm in it cause I love you. I want to fucking marry you. Like I won't spend the rest of my life taking up scutt files of you.
Starting point is 00:31:33 And she's like, I love you too. And little piece of me is coming down my leg. And I got to the bathroom more time. And she's like, and then she's like, How could you do that to me? He's like, Cool to love you, Catherine! Oh, that was so sad. Because she basically,
Starting point is 00:31:52 I mean, it actually makes sense. I mean, he didn't go, they didn't have a proper conversation. And I think that he thought that he was being really romantic, catching her off guard.
Starting point is 00:32:00 And again, the producers probably got into his ears and said, this would be really good. And she's into it. And she's like's like WGF this is a private moment we shouldn't be doing this on cameras I it could sort of tell her real southern bell was coming out at that moment you know and guess what I loved it I loved it because she was so cold it was amazing yeah well the girl is not going to be forced into marrying her, you know, or marrying him. That's bullshit. But I do
Starting point is 00:32:29 love loud. I do think you're right to say totally tricked him because they even have that scene where Brandon's like, Oh, you don't know what the cheese tray is. Are you going to marry loud? And she's like, Oh, God, get off my ass already. Yeah, but what if we got a ring, you're going to marry him, you know, the ring don't mean to think if they didn't got that swing, she's like, Okay, gay person. No, we'll get married. Yeah, but what if we got a ring? You're gonna marry him. You know, the ring don't mean the thing if the thank got that swing. She's like, okay, a gay person.
Starting point is 00:32:48 No, we'll get married one day, but not now. Yeah. So now it's like so awkward because now all the, it's awkward in like two different ways because all the friends are at this bar expecting to see these two to show up, to show up and they're engaged.
Starting point is 00:33:04 And on top of that, they're doing this while simultaneously blowing off Hannah. I'm not Hannah. I'm sorry Ashley which is awkward for that and it's also awkward for Ashley because she's sitting there and no one's at her Gala and it's not like these people would then make the Gala feel full but it's like it would have made the Gallup feel cool, you know? And- And then there's the added part of everybody not inviting Ashley to the thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Like, we got all our closest friends together, but not you Ashley. Exactly. And so the mask rate is starting and the only one there is like Nelson and his girlfriend and like a dog. And so, and meanwhile, everyone's still waiting on the dock. And now it's 8 p.m. and everyone's starting like a dog. And so, and meanwhile, everyone's still waiting on the dock. And now it's eight p.m. and everyone's starting to get annoyed. Everyone's starting to get mad. I'm getting mad.
Starting point is 00:33:50 And Daniel's like, I think we should go to Ashley's thing. Like, this is fucked up. And then some of the girls are like, this is our best friend. This could be the biggest day of our life. We have to be there for her, you know? And I was just like, oh my God. I felt bad even for the sunset
Starting point is 00:34:02 because Lyle and Catherine are on this gigantic boat. It's sunset. It's supposed to be all romantic and the sunset It's like I'm so embarrassed to be going down right now you guys. I'm so sorry I'm sorry I have to go I have to it's like I'm on a set schedule. I have to go. I have to go Well, it's like I'm literally sorry for making such a beautiful sky right now, but Lyle I did everything I could do. Okay, I gave you all my all I just there's one what can you do? Um, the sun also sets the sun. Okay, how we're gonna pay for her five unborn children to go to country day? My priority is her. So then they they show up in like a little like inflatable, I forget what they call the dinghy or whatever and
Starting point is 00:34:47 And Louie starts yelling. He's like, keep show me the ring keep show me the ring The ring and Daniel's like, don't be that guy Cooper's like, okay, where's the ring? Louie's like, I am that guy and I was like one step forward 10 steps back For mankind Like you just Reese you stepped off of the moon 10 steps so literally floating in space right now So Lyle and Coup they get on the dock and all fake smells and everything and I was like surprise It's a surprise birthday party everyone everyone I did this as a surprise birthday
Starting point is 00:35:28 Awkward and then captain's trying to party she's like yeah, I'm gonna motorboat my friends boobs birthday And I mean it's a rented for please don't and cathartic I mean cathartic has that cold southern fake thing down and such a it's it's perfection I think it's like I think it's great to watch because at one point someone says to her something about how great Lyle is about whatever and then she goes yeah I didn't know Lyle had it in him like I said he's a keeper I was like oh my god you are calling the keeper and you just denied his engagement. Oh, it's so it's so, but then the happiest credit.
Starting point is 00:36:09 She's like, um, I think that we need to go like now. Like now we need to go. She's like, we just waited around for nothing. And once again, no food. Poor Ashley is like walking the red carpet alone. She's like, ah, So Ashley is it her ball? I mean before Ashley, I'm sorry before before Ashley though for the Asheseen. Now Lyle is like totally deflated and just goes up to Catherine and is like, oh I think I'm gonna go out because
Starting point is 00:36:38 I'm so little rattled and she's like, go, it's fine. I was like, oh, she's so, I just love how she was just like this. Like fun, go like, you know, happy, go lucky, gal all season long. And how she's just like cold as ice. I was like, well, you know, I love that moment. Yeah, well, you got those with those two have been through. And she's like, oh, now you're just going to sweep all that out of the rug because we're on TV. And I'm going to look like the bitch.
Starting point is 00:37:03 She was going through her mind. She basically turned into Laura Lennie at the end of Mystic River, okay? Celebrity Beef, you never know if you're just gonna end up on TMZ or trending on Twitter or in court. I'm Matt Bellasife. And I'm Sydney Battle, and we're the host of Wonder Woman's new podcast, Disantel. Each episode explores a different iconic celebrity view, from the buildup, why it happened, and the repercussions.
Starting point is 00:37:28 What does our obsession with these feud say about us? We're starting off with a pretty messy love triangle between Selena Gomez and Justin and Haley Bieber, a seemingly innocent TikTok of Selena talking about her laminated eyebrows. It snowballed into a full-blown alleged feud. But it doesn't seem like fans are letting up anytime soon. Despite both Selena and the Bieber's making public statements denying any bad blood. How much of this is teen jealousy and lovers quarreling, and how much of it is a carefully crafted narrative designed to sell albums?
Starting point is 00:38:01 Follow this and tell wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon music or wonder ya. You're like, oh shit. I know I was trying to remember how that ended. It was so sad that movie. Yeah, well, because Laurel, it's not really that much of a spoiler, but you just find out you just, it's not a plot twist. It's more like you sort of just realize, oh, Laurel, then he is one cold evil woman isn't she?
Starting point is 00:38:29 I feel like that's the end of every Loreline movie. True. Every Loreline movie ends with her going, well when I was in the theater, it's like shut up Loreline. So over at the ball Ashley is trying to do a day of the dead thing which is commendable Yeah, but she's wearing a gigantic target Halloween mask of a skeleton which I love it quite a bit like a mine and gigantic Calendar skeleton a mine calendar that she painted with a Which is not really, that's not really appropriate, but in the salary, you can paint your own day of the dead mass before you
Starting point is 00:39:12 need to walk. I mean, that shit was hilarious to me. So she's like, where is everybody? They also, they were coming, but I mean, if it was tables turned, it would be a big deal. And then she starts getting herself worked up as she does. She's like, and now, now where are they? Where are they now? Um, now we're now I'm pissed. It's like she starts talking to herself and getting herself more and more worked up.
Starting point is 00:39:36 Yeah. And she goes, I don't even know what's going on because there hasn't been a problem. I don't know what games are being played, but it is not cool. And then her dad George Lucas arrives and he's like, hi, can I take that skeleton back to set? She's like, dad. And people here, I'm keeping it. I would love it if George Lucas was secretly
Starting point is 00:39:54 a super fan of the Southern Trump franchise and organized like a walk on roll during the season finale. He could just like make it look like there's a hundred people there. He's like, look, we just fired the directors of the new Star Wars movie. So Ashley, now's your chance. He's like, look at all these stormtroopers at your party. Wow, my popular girl.
Starting point is 00:40:14 So thanks, Dad. It would be sort of an amazing twist if like the Ashley's Gala for like 45 minutes, George Lucas shows up and the entire cast of Star Wars and they decide they're gonna Shoot a scene there and then they all leave and then everyone shows up late and like what do we miss like oh nothing just a new scene from Star Wars That would that I think that'd be exciting Um, so the other thing is so Ashley calls Daniel and Is like where are you guys? And so Daniel, so now Daniel doesn't help the situation.
Starting point is 00:40:48 He's like, so like we went to like our good friend's birthday party and we thought it was supposed to start six, but turns out it started at like at like eight thirty or eight. So you know, just because of the timing, so we're going to go over now. I'm like, that is so insulting. Like why would you, you're kind of lying and You're like why are you covering for a Lyle? Lyle puts you guys in a terrible position
Starting point is 00:41:11 where you had to bail on Ashley because he made you feel like this could be like the biggest moment of their lives and Why why are you covering you should be like sorry? Lyle said that he was you know And pop in the question we wanted to be there for that and then go over to you guys and then he was two hours late and now we're all fucked. I totally agree with you at the same time as you would not have been okay with them being like, well, it was an engagement party and that you weren't invited to and we're still late. She probably would have been even more mad. She would have been like, you know what I'm going through with Dennis. Yeah Yeah. Well, I still feel bad for Ash.
Starting point is 00:41:46 I think I don't think she deserved that. Although she's just getting engaged because I got engaged to Danis. And that's why she asked me about it. Why didn't she ask for my advice? I suppose she's going to go to Dubai now too. So that's great. Have fun in Dubai, Daniel. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:00 But to be fair, I mean, Ashley, next time, like, attack on at least one more hour to your event. Geez 9pm is early Yeah, I mean, I know they're probably an extended way to your late to your thing Yeah, she's like I feel lied to you. I let my guard down and I trusted everyone which you know like thank God You thank you so much for the gift of letting your guard down. I hate when people say that and down. I hate when people say that. And it's like, fool me went shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. And you know, it's never gonna happen again. I was like, I like that you took the real saying and the George Bush saying and put them all together until when yeah, big saying and worked out pretty well. And
Starting point is 00:42:37 the Nelson Nelson's like, bye, Alicia. Yeah, I was like, bye. Hey, guess what? Felicia was just here. I said, bye, do, guess what? Felicia was shot was just here. I said bye to her. Do you see? Bye Felicia! Love you in the cosme show. I don't blame Bill. I don't blame you for anything. They made it possible he did. He made it. There's no real proof. Is that a picture? Say I don't blame you, I don't blame you for anything. They made it possible he did. Say I don't blame you, I don't blame you for anything. They made it possible he did. Say I don't blame you, I don't blame you, I don't blame you, I don't blame you for anything. They made it possible. Say I don't blame you, I don't blame you, I don't blame you, I don't blame you, I don't blame you for anything. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it possible. They made it. They made it. They made it possible. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. They made it. So, it's a man of out.
Starting point is 00:43:06 That's a big slap in the face. By the way, don't let this happen to us, please everyone. We don't want to be Ashley's at our live show at Downtown LA, so please buy your tickets. And if you're planning to pop it out. I'm so sorry. If you want to ask anyone to marry you, just do it at our show. But please come, don't Ashley us literally just come up on the stage and do it okay? Just do not be late to the goddamn show please show up so then it's 9 p.m. And
Starting point is 00:43:35 Ashley, you know, she does have a pension for for dramatic staging because this barn has this like arch This this entryway this arch and She actually stands right in the middle of the path that comes out of the arch and happy and is a awesome show up and And she's smoking and posing with her head out This you look so sexy. She's all femme fatale smoking just waiting Just fucking waiting and you know she still had to wait out there for 45 damn minutes. Yes, yes And so then she's like done. You're not welcome. You're not welcome done done done this fucking waiting and you know she still had to wait out there for 45 damn minutes. Yes. And so then, as she's like, done, you're not welcome.
Starting point is 00:44:08 You're not welcome. Done, done, done. And Ozam is like, do not speak to her like that. Do not speak to my fiance like that, which is admirable, but like I would have maybe come in slightly more humble. Yeah. And then you're totally like, you know what, Asim? How about you don't speak to people like that?
Starting point is 00:44:23 How about that, okay? You don't speak like that. He's like, you do not speak to her like that. She's like, you are Asim. And then happy's like, not well. Why don't you call Lala? Okay, why don't you call Lala and see what happened, okay? Oh, now I'm supposed to call Lala.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Now who's this bitch who's gonna judge me? Is that someone else from high school who didn't think I was good enough? Can I at least just get an ordeal before we leave? I have not had even a can of pay all season long. And I keep getting invited to these damn parties. Literally no one is engaged, especially me because I can't yet, because you know what my mom's gonna think.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Like we're gonna have to get reengaged just so my mom gets over not having the crucifix in the hallway, okay? So then Ashley and Osam are fighting and then happy is like, what has he done to y'all? Like, just like, now it's not the time to fight. Although I did like happy is like, wait, no, happy wasn't the one, Hannah was. So next the next people come and Hannah is like, oh God. Okay, party's over. Just go. Not only did you embarrass me in front of my friends and family, but the entire community and also the team mobile community, the team,
Starting point is 00:45:32 the team mobile customer service lady, I called to make sure my phone was working since it wasn't ringing with people telling me they were going to be late. So. And so I had a hat. I thought a pretty decent attempt at being humble. She was like listen we try There's a whole thing can we at least help you clean up? Can we help you clean up? And then Ash is like no, but I would have been like yes, but you're cleaning it all up Clean it all up. You are claiming every glass with your rented fur. She's like come on. I understand
Starting point is 00:45:59 She goes please understand she goes. I don't I don't I don't just go Okay, just go go I'm a she is she goes fuck off and she closes the barn door and then locks it like she puts the big lock down and now we're all gonna burn to death in here everyone whoops a candle fell how do I open this thing? Carrie would you stop doing that? she's like you are as you are her final words. And then when they go visit her grave, they're looking at it and then all of a sudden some carry on luggage pops through the grave. So one week later, Ashley's at her house and Dennis is feeding their dog at the stove.
Starting point is 00:46:46 I mean, gross. So he's holding the dog to the stove and Ashley's like, Hey, mom, she calls her mom. She's like, mom, how are you? Her mom's like, I'm just saving one human soul at a time, honey. How about you? So I'm just making sure you got my angel, is he from school because I want to dump Dennis and I just want to make sure if a fan catches on fire like the golden lady warned me about that is he won't die.
Starting point is 00:47:10 She's like, Oh, God, I know. And the staff is common to pretend everything's okay. Smile. I mean, you learned to pretend everything's okay. Okay, smile before you learn to walk in the South. And you learn that if you don't like someone, you're just sleeping a different crib than them. That's what you do in the south before you even learned walk. But it's not how I live my life.
Starting point is 00:47:31 I'm like, yes, it is. You've been married to this guy since you were like 19. What are you talking about? I know, I know. So yeah, so we're with, I'm trying to remember. So basically the credit start rolling. Yes, and she's starting to have a higher season while she's walking upstairs. Yeah, so she's knocking on the door He's like no, don't come in here. She's like Dennis. We are talking so she goes in there without cameras and the cameras just on the other side of the door
Starting point is 00:47:56 And he's like, but I don't want to move She's like ignore things won't help Dennis He's like, but I don't want to just be your friend. She is, but you are just my friend, Dennis. It's been 12 years and it doesn't work. Let me go. And he goes divorce me then. And that's the final line of the season. It's just like a cliffhanger. I think he actually said, I just want to be your friend. We are friends. That's the problem. But either way, yeah, she goes to, he's like, divorce me then. As if as if it's a shock, I feel like that would be more effective if they were having a different sort of argument that was not
Starting point is 00:48:29 about divorce. And then he says divorce me then and be like, Oh, but here that she's like, I would like a divorce. And he's like, well, then divorce me then. It's like, is that a thing? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. That was the most awkward end of a show ever. And they're not having a reunion either. That's just how it ends. So weird. And also, I like that this show, you can tell that they're not really reality people in this town because Catherine refused to get a free engagement party slash wedding on TV, which is very rare for anybody on reality shows. And then Dennis was like, you are not using me for your season finale seed bitch. You are not, I'm not letting the cameras in here while you dump me for your show.
Starting point is 00:49:12 You asshole. Exactly. Because that is the biggest dick move in the world to be like, I'm just gonna talk about how what a cuckold Dennis is this entire season. Well, I'm blatantly cheating on him all over town And then I'm gonna dump him on cameras of finale piece. It's like oh Asshole you're such an asshole
Starting point is 00:49:32 He's like well guess what you may try to divorce me, but I got the gola ghosts on my side Hitting gola ghosts wait where'd they go? I already excoriated them Is that why the shoes are off the hallway steps? They took the shoes. They organized before they left. They didn't want to get blamed for any more fires. Oh, Lord. And that was that. That's, you know, who knows if they're gonna get a second season. I don't know how the ratings were. Maybe they will. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:06 I can't tell. I've had a hard time gauging audience interest in it. Some people seem to really like it. Some people are like, eh, I actually wound up really enjoying it. So I wasn't passionate about it, but I enjoyed it, and I would definitely be happy to see it for a second season. What about you? Um, I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Yeah, all right. I thought it was fine. I ended up liking everybody on the show. I think they need to, you know, put Ashley, I mean, as crazy as she is, Ashley Nelson, keep those kind of front and center. I like Catherine. I mean, I actually liked all the people on it.
Starting point is 00:50:39 Mm-hmm. I just, this one's more thrown together. I mean, the regular Southern charm, they seem to actually know each other. They come from these Southern lines that as offensive as they may be in the modern age, at least makes sense, you know, whereas this one doesn't make as much sense.
Starting point is 00:50:59 It's kind of like they all came in town for a couple of months to shoot a show and didn't really. They all just serve some like average people, like perfectly fine, average people, there's not that swirling sense of wealth. One thing that makes the original Southern term so fun is that they're so wealthy and they act like idiots or assholes and it's kind of hilarious watching these really wealthy people act like assholes.
Starting point is 00:51:19 In a way that's sort of the flip side of watching the really poor people on Radar Pump Rules Act like assholes. So here these people are kind of just in the middle. They're just like I don't know people I might Encounter or hang out with normally. They're just they're almost too normal Yeah agreed what are you gonna do what you I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna open up the crap and smell bag instead mailbag instead. Oh, man, man! Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. So, guys, crap is mailbag is this fun feature we've been doing for a while now, where if you're a Patreon supporter at the crap is mailbag level, you can write in a question
Starting point is 00:52:02 or a comment or whatever, and we'll read it on the air You just go to patreon.com for its actual crap and to get her done to get to get in the mix, okay? Either did yeah get her dead So here's a question from Jess Dang who is one of our one of our crap and listening crap and spotlight people And she's also a fellow board gamer just like me Who says hi guys as I'm sure you know and listen to crap and spotlight people, and she's also a fellow board gamer, just like me, who says, hi guys, as I'm sure you know, Neenie leaks is coming back and making $2 million
Starting point is 00:52:31 per season, apparently Bethany is super mad because she wants to be the queen of Bravo and the highest paid. Who do you think is the queen of Bravo? What do you think about Neenie coming back and about her payday? Also, do you think Kenya will show her marriage on the new season?
Starting point is 00:52:46 Interesting questions all around. Who do you, it's the first one. Who do we think is the queen of Bravo? Well, I first have to say, I don't believe for one second, Neenie is getting $2 million to come back. There is no way in hell. Neenie totally is desperate and coming back
Starting point is 00:53:04 because she owes like $2 million in taxes. Nini totally is desperate and coming back because she owes like two million in taxes. I think she's releasing those statements herself to be like, look, I can pay my taxes two million dollars or whatever to get people off her ass. And I think as Bravo has her in a desperate place now and they know it and there's no way she's getting two million, no way. Yeah, I agree.
Starting point is 00:53:19 I mean, I think she's probably still getting a large amount of money. But I think that Kenya has taken away some of Nini's leverage because Kenya has proven to be her own kind of force measure. So I think that I would have a hard time believing that. And I don't know, I don't remember what the ratings were for the last season of Atlanta. I think they were really good because I felt the buzz
Starting point is 00:53:49 on the last season of Atlanta was unlike when a season we've seen in a long time. I mean, everyone was talking about that season with the lesbian stuff and the, I mean, and the season finale. I think it had huge ratings. Yeah, the, which shows they don't. The ratings, yeah, the ratings held and she's desperate.
Starting point is 00:54:08 So and so is Kim, by the way, you know, because Kim's husband keeps losing his damn job. So she needs the money to you. That woman just leaks money. And the other, um, the other rumor, this was on a blind item site. And I'm so far, sorry, I forgot which one. I'm assuming 20 days and nights, whatever that one is, but someone posted it on our Facebook and the blind item is this lady,
Starting point is 00:54:29 this housewife who is constantly being accused of hiring her dates or boyfriends. Recently, just had a fake wedding and there's no paperwork anywhere saying that she's actually married. So, you know, there you go. Yeah, so the question is, do you think Kenya will show her marriage on a new season?
Starting point is 00:54:48 Hell yes. Yeah. Did you hear that thumb? By the way, I accidentally hit my pop filter. Do you hear that when I hit it? Yeah. You do? Sorry everyone.
Starting point is 00:54:57 I was an accident. Anytime you just don't want to hand at you, okay? Well, if anytime you hear this, that's an accident, but it's, it sticks out and it's easy for me to bump into, I apologize. Um, I do think, um, in terms of who, uh, who is the Queen of Bravo, I think it goes back and forth, I think Bethany is still the Queen. You know, I think Bethany, she is still the most massively successful. She's still seen seems to be the one who could pull rank. She's the one who I think truly has Andy's ear more than anyone else. She's the one who has the most spin-offs.
Starting point is 00:55:35 She's had her own talk show. She has an empire. I think Bethany, and on top of that, I also feel like Bethany brings it in a way that Nini is not always reliable for. I think in one of Nini's, I think in our last season or so, Nini was checked out. And Bethany's checked out this season too, but even when she's checked out, when she's just shows up in a scene, she's still, there's always something crazy that happens. Whereas Nini, I don't know, she just sort of became nasty and egotistical without really advancing.
Starting point is 00:56:07 They felt a similar check out. So like Neenie had a couple of seasons where she just because we love Neenie. I mean, we loved her. And then she was, she got so far up her own ass and she refused to film with anybody and she wanted everything to be a solo scene. And it was just boring. And then she would just fight with people and be mean, just, you know, to do it. So she could, you know, take that paycheck home. And Bethany has kind of done that as well. I think Bethany had that season last season.
Starting point is 00:56:34 But Bethany, I don't know. I don't really love her at the moment either. So I'm confused. I don't think there really is a queen. I think that they're all so good. It's so brandy. Yeah, I think that if you measure like who brings what to the show, it would be hard to guess in each season because like New York, Durinda brings a ton to New York. Ramona brings that on to New York.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Someone has been there every season. Luan, I mean, you could look at, you could make an argument for Vicki Gumbelson, you know. You could make an argument maybe for Tamra, but I think that, um, I think the thing is with Bethany versus Neenie is that when Bethany checks out, it annoys me when anyone checks out. I get annoyed when Bethany checks out because I also feel like she has so much potential to be so good on the show and same with Neenie that annoys me when she checks out, but when she checks out I almost understand it a little bit more because I see her in her mind saying you know what I have a full business empire that I'm trying to run and expand and grow. I've got these other business opportunities. She's a very smart, shrewd woman in terms of I think it's like a business woman, etc. Whereas Neenie, I think Neenie is smart woman, et cetera. Whereas Nini, I think Nini's smart too. And she obviously has an acting career of some sort.
Starting point is 00:57:49 But when she checks out, I'm like, what do you check? You're checking out, you think you're better than this. I don't think you're better than this, Nini. Whereas Bethany, I'm like, okay, I get that. You have something bigger and better than the show. Does that make sense? Yeah, also Bethany tries to still be funny. Like even if Bethany's like,
Starting point is 00:58:06 I'm only going to do my solo scenes with Skinny Girl. Like she'll still try and be funny in some way. But Neenie's just like, you can sit here and watch me get my makeup done at Cinderella. Yeah, you know, well, although except that when Neenie made her, her return last season, not last two seasons ago when she showed up on that trip, Neenie had like, she had taken some humble pie and she's like, I'm gonna be funny and laugh and you're gonna remember why you why you loved me all the way back in season one and it worked. I was like, oh my god. This is the Neenie that used to love. I used to be obsessed with this Neenie. So if she can bring back
Starting point is 00:58:39 classic Neenie and not Deva Neenie, I will be more than happy to revise all my opinions on this subject. Oh man yeah I don't know I think there's so many of them are queens I can't just pick one I love my housewives queens yeah okay we'll do one more and we're gonna do this one more because I think this might be the last one in the mailbag and also on top of that. This is from... I always forget I have Shavan. Shavan is pronounced Siobahan. I mean that's spelled Siobahan, but you know Shavan. Shavan. Shavan, Brian. She says Shavan who's also by the way very active in our crap its community, but that being said she says hi guys, being my first mailbag, welcome to the mailbag Shavan, I just have to say that
Starting point is 00:59:25 the joy, you too, and Matt when I first heard listening really got me through one of my darkest times. You made me hysterical, historically laugh for hours when I felt like I had nothing to be happy about. Most of my friends live in New York and these shows aren't the same without having someone to laugh with or argue with. I remember recently Ben said their goal was for it to feel like you were watching on the couch with your friends and you three delivered big time and continue to do so. Now with all that sap is stuff out of the way. By the way Shavan, thank you.
Starting point is 00:59:57 You're so sweet. Thank you for being like an active support of the podcast for years and years now. But she says, now with all that sap is up out of the way, I like when they do Housewives Theater on Watch what happens, which two actors would you love to see recreate an iconic house I've seen and which one? Like which great actors would play the infamous last dinner scene from New Jersey season one or the Alessandro Baud dinner party? We can get a picture shark cat to play her again.
Starting point is 01:00:24 So which I would say, of course, you know, Patty Lupone did a great job on watch what happens live and I would love to see her do that real housewives of Beverly Hills dinner party from hell. Love it. Yeah, that would, well, I would be happy to see Patty do anything from the real housewives. With someone else, it's like a diva too, like trying to think of like Glen Close or someone that she really hates.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Well, how about like, you know what I would like, you know, we always joke about big business. You know, we have certain movies that we always refer to. I would not be mad at maybe recreating some of the famous scenes from the O.C. Ireland trip with Bett Midler and Lily Tomlin. You know. Get her four to key to us. I just don't know who would play who. Like is Kelly Dodd Bett Midler is Kelly Dodd Lily Tomlin. I don't know. I would like to see Bett Midler play Shannon B.
Starting point is 01:01:23 Dore in that season, because she's nothing like her, but I think that's what Bet Midler does best. When they're like, okay, Bet Midler's gonna play a semi-meek, neurotic, you know, blonde person. And she's like, here I am, boys. And she just does like her, for the boys character, for everything. What if there's like an outrageous fortune reunion where we recreate Lizzie's dinner party where Heather DeBro tried to gaslight a Shannon Bedore and Shannon Bedore was like, that truth will come out! Just bebbing their Shannon, Shelley Long is Heather DeBro.
Starting point is 01:02:04 Barely makes sense, but I'm a Shelley long. Shelley Long is, I mean, that's like the perfect role for her because she can only really play Diane from Cheers. And that is Heather DeBro. Yeah. I also, the funny part about Diane from Cheers is that she was always poor. She just acted like Heather DeBro, but she was poor. But Heather DeBro, I guess, was poor at one time and is now rich. And that's why her new money is so fucking obnoxious to watch her act all stoddy.
Starting point is 01:02:30 I also would really like the famous season two real house as a New Jersey fight at the brownstone scene. Maybe like a Linda Fiorentino as tree. And then I don't know who would be Danielle stop or maybe Linda Fiorentino's Daniel stop but I sort of like the idea of Linda Fiorentino being like did you forget from Paterson bitch and that cold Linda Fiorentino way maybe a Kathy Moriarty could be Danielle stop although actually makes sense of Kathy Moriarty were tree and Linda Fiorentino were Daniel stop Yeah, I'm then Liza Manelli is just Ashley yeah
Starting point is 01:03:11 Or Jacqueline Oh, my god hair pulling away your whatever. I would be very much for that. I'd be very very much for that Oh Lord Oh lord. Fun things to think about and if you want to have your question read on the air then you too can just go to patreon and subscribe or not subscribe but like contribute at the mail back level. So thanks everyone who contributed this week. And with that, the episode and the week is over. Go get your tickets.
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