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Episode Date: September 2, 2017

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Hello, hello, hello, we are one day away from the big shoe here in Los Angeles. It's finally happening. It's big show eve. We are so excited. Can you believe it? Can you believe it, girls? We're having a live show tomorrow.

And then we're having a big scavenger hunt. So we're going to have a great fun weekend. And Monday, we're going a big scavature hunt. So we're gonna have a great fun weekend. And Monday, if we're gonna sound, you know, like, ugh, and then the shots of sunset, also is pregnant, everybody. Ugh. I have a feeling, you know, we should just, well, we'll figure it out.

I don't know, like, I just realized, like Monday's a national holiday. Oh, it is?'ll figure it out. I don't know. Like I just realized, like Monday's a national holiday. Oh, it is. It's Labor Day. Oh, well, let's just skip a shawse. We'll have the live show to post Monday. Yeah, we'll post a live show on Monday. Well, we'll, we'll, it might work out well because New York is an on next week. It's off, but then below deck comes back next. We'll figure it out. Yeah, I mean, we'll, so there will definitely be content up on Monday, but this way we don't have to we don't we can take like a day off after all this craziness with this live show. And then you guys get you guys get some time off

from us promoting it. Isn't that nice? Oh, yeah, I know you guys are going to get like five minutes of your life back at the beginning of each. So I know it's like when football season ends and your Sunday's come back, I don each show. I know. It's like when football season ends and your Sundays come back, I don't know if you know about that experience as like, but it's like a very real potent thing. I don't, but I remember when Berder Sheerat was canceled, that was on Sundays. And I was just sitting at my meanwhile's house like, now what?

Like I literally had nothing to do. I was so upset. My fancy football draft is tomorrow. And I'm very excited for it. I've not done any research, but I'm hoping this year will be a strong one for my fantasy team. Yeah, last week in in Vegas, there was the fight, like the big fight between so and so and whoever.

Yeah, homophobe one and homophobe two, yes. Oh, really? Actually, I don't know anything about this McGregor guy, but I do know that like Floyd Mayweather is, I think he's at home, you know what? I'll walk that back, because I don't know for sure if he's a homophobe. I think maybe he's not, I can't tell, it's hard to remember.

He definitely is beating his wife though, so there's that. Well, I feel like he can't be a homophobe if your name is Mayweather, because that's like such a gay name, you know. Like, that's like a gay character name, Mayweather. Yeah. That is intrinsically a homopho gay name, you know. That's like a gay character name made by there. Yeah. That is intrinsically a gay, a homopopic comment that you made.

Oh, it is? Well, it's pro homo. It's pro homo. I'm complimenting him. I am. Well, I'm, okay, good. Yeah, and one of them, I was at a mall and they were getting their robe diamond,

like diamonds on the robe, a diamond school or something and I was at a mall and they were getting their robe diamond, like diamonds on the robe at diamond school or something. And I was like, wow, I mean, this is, you can't be home of phobic if you have like a diamond robe. You know what I mean? Yeah. So anyway, I was there and I had no idea what was going on and people were explaining to me why it's such a huge deal. And I put so many down and I lost. Yeah. I played board games last Saturday night, and I missed the entire fight, and I did not feel bad about it, one Iota.

I've liked the last time there was a major fight like that, was the night that you and I and Sylvia went and saw Avengers 2, Age of Ultron, and there was a big Mayweather fight that night also, and we went to that movie, and the movie was terrible, and then also. And we went to that movie and the movie was terrible. And then I just remember we went to the restaurant next door afterwards and looked at highlights of the fight. Well boxing just makes me feel like I'm not even a human. I don't get it. It makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm like, why are we hurting each other like that? I don't like it.

My college essay, the essay I wrote to get into college was all about going to a boxing match and getting caught in a riot at the match. Oh, yeah. So I am like, I'm indebted to boxing for helping me get into college. Oh my God, I want to be a part of a riot. Yeah, I also have a very specific story about a time I encountered a Vanderholy field, but I can say that for bonus episode. Yeah, because this is an intense episode. So if you see any way, if you see any way to just slide into that, just feel free. You know, I'm going to talk about the Maryland Monroe

machine that fucked me over. Yeah, I've got a lot to segue into to get the fuck out of this, because it's the same thing over and over, and it is dark. This episode of Real Housewives of New Zealand, this, I'm sorry, Auckland, specifically Auckland. This is gonna be an interesting one to recap because it really went in a direction that none of these other housewives or any bravo shows

has really ever gone to. I mean, this was very, very intense and it's weird. I mean, I, like, it's going to be interesting for us to recap it because, you know, there, there are ways in defined comedy in this horrific situation, but it was also really, really terrible. I did malls's lifetime podcast once and it was about the Mary Kay LaTerno thing and I'm like we're going to be making child rape jokes and it ended up becoming serious but I remember at the beginning she's like if this is going to trigger you and I was like oh I hate that

word I hate it but there you go if it's going to trigger you, please turn it off now because I think everybody can relate because especially as white privileged males, this isn't really a rare thing that happened. And it wasn't really a mean-spirited thing that happened. And so we all know that that's out there. And it's like, oh, it's like you think of people that you know where you've heard that shit before. And it's like, oh, my God. Yeah. Exactly.

I think that's what made this episode so crazy was that it just was a perfect example. Something that probably happens to millions of people around the world. And that's actually one thing that was really surprising to me, which may sound totally naive and very like sheltered white boy. But for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, this is the famous episode of Auckland, where Julia uses the N word. And she says it right in front of Michelle's face.

Michelle, if you're not watching, Michelle is black. So that's, it doesn't even matter if Michelle is black or not. It's totally unacceptable, but it makes it almost even worse, right? So, um, I don't, oh, so what was surprising to me is I, I sort of always thought, I never, I never really thought about it, but I sort of, I guess I, I feel like I had an underlying assumption that this was sort of more of an American, an American, popular, like scenario. Like I feel like an American. Because the American,

the American, yeah, overseas people are like, we don't have racism the same as you guys. Like you guys have it different because like slavery and stuff. And that's great. Or just figured it'd be different words. I just thought though,

I almost thought it was like a word that people in different countries didn't really know, or use like that, you know. So it was weird to hear it in New Zealand being used in the same way that we've heard it hatefully here in America. Yes. Well, all that said, this is not a very special episode. This is still a funny fucking ridiculous show. There's still lots of ridiculous stuff, but it was almost one of those things like we still

have to, just a warning. We have to tread very carefully as we rehab this. Oh, yes, because my opinion keeps changing as I watch it, because you know, and then I have to rethink my opinion, because I'm like, well, that's a good drink too. So yeah, it's going to be a lot of that. But there's also going to be a lot of making fun of, you know, kuku birds on off. Right. So, and you would never know that the

episode was going to like take such a turn so making fun of, you know, kuku birds on off. Right, so. And you would never know that the episode was gonna, like, take such a turn so quickly, like within the first four minutes, because it opens up with the woman getting onto the boat and the music being like, Mama, ee, ee, mama, ee, mama, ee, ee. I was like, oh, okay, this feels festive for the N word episode. I wrote, mama, mama, ee, ee, times three.

I love that we both recognize that music. It's like, what is this? Like, it's like their version of like, okay, Nama. I go, yeah, it's like the inward, okay. So, Gil does, Gil does excited. She's so excited that she says, I want to get on there, have a glass champagne, Lens, sun, enjoy Australia, you heat. I was like, okay, well, your enthusiasm is just really bursting through the TV. I know, I like when you're like, have a glass champagne, lean sun, enjoy Australia and heat. I was like, okay, well, your enthusiasm is just

really bursting through the TV. I know, I like when she goes, enjoy the old Australian water. It's like, it's trying to come up with something to say. I also love the dumb things that some of these women just declare as if it's fascinating for the people at home. Like when they cut to Julia going,

I absolutely love boats. I love water. Oh, got onto a beautiful boat. Like yes, we see you on the boat. We were all wearing high heels. Yes. We see the close-up of the high heels. This show is shot very well. It is shot very well.

Yeah, especially considering this entire vacation has been overcast, they've done a nice job of trying to make it look pretty luxurious. Yeah, it's like a steak, it's like a steak ad in a casino. It really is for the like look. They're like, it's a cheesecake factory. How glamorous. So Louise and Anne are on some deck and they're choosing each other with, they're toasting each other, I should say.

And like, she has, like, you're a great roommate. We do make each other laugh, don't we? I've titled this scene Louise Theater because she's doing a play. She's totally acting in a play. And I love that they give the backstory. We're roommates, aren't we? It's wonderful.

And I was like, oh good, she's playing Miss Marple today. And I'm like, Kling, I love champagne. It's like, okay, that's your backstory. She's like, we do make each other laugh old friend. It's like, okay, guys. And then she starts talking about some of the issues with Angela and everything.

And Louise is like, I'm hoping that all the sort of argy bargey that we've had to put up with this over. I'm like, I know, enough with the argy bargey already we've had to put up with this over. I'm like, oh, I know, enough with the argy bargey already. She had a whole monologue. She's like, I'm very nervous that the girls, gilder and what's a face might have problems or Michelle or the other lady who's going to be on this trip or the other lady and the other lady. We shall see over breakfast or lunch or another scene that shall change.

Once our chairs are rolled out of the ways, by young men not getting paid in black shirt and black pants. It's like a chemist marble. Too much argy barge am I right? Now let's clean shampoo it. Oh my god it's a shark head. This play is called argy bargie and she was being so fake when she said that shark thing She's like is that a shark? And I'm just ignore her. She's like no whatever What do you see? What do you see is an in alligator a cheetah a griffin a mouse a pizza a dog a a dog, a cat, it's like no! It's a whale! It's Moby Dick!

Moby Dick, you say? You know what I call Moby Dick? I call him Young Fearballed of the Restless Nature. He's a wonderful whale. We listen greatly. I call Moby Dick the opposite of Moby Pussy, which I would love. Moby Pussy. So meanwhile out on another Sunday, Michelle, Gilda and Julia are just hanging out, having a great time, but you know it's a really good way to ruin a good time on a lounger. What? Dropping the N word.

Oh my God. to ruin a good time on a lounger. What? Dropping the N word. Oh my God. And we didn't see this, which was weird, but we should have known it was coming. Well, we did because people told us on Facebook, but we should have known it was coming right now, because they're playing some girl power song from Ladies of London. It's like girls, girls, girls, lovely time girls. And Misselle's like, we were all having a perfect day. A lovely time, hippie-ness, friendships, I had a turbine. We were sitting on the hood of the bed thing.

We were having champagne. This boat was on water. The sun was out. We could hear the engine running from the boat. It's like, oh my God, just get to it. And then she goes, then it all went to custard. I'm like, that sounds delicious. What's wrong with that? No kidding. Sand is like having a fit.

Apparently, so Michelle was helping Gildi get on to this, like, sun lounge or thing. And Julia cracked a joke. And she said, don't treat Michelle. She said this is a gilded. Don't treat Michelle, she said this a deal that don't treat Michelle like your house and word, which you know, maybe you got to like work on your material, you know, maybe haven't seen Michael Richards comedy routinely, but it doesn't, it's just not, it's not a word that really plays well. I don't feel like anybody expected Kramer from Sline fell to end up well. Like he never really had that hope like Kramer, he's going to do great. But I didn't see it going down like that. Yeah, exactly. And I did not know that Julia would be following in his footsteps. So she makes this like really terrible joke, you know. And then you

hear the housewives of warning signal, which is boom, just that single drum. And then it custed, so this is Michelle tells us this is in her interview, then it custed Julia in her interview and she just sort of sighs, she was like, well, Michelle was helping Guilda, onto the sunlanger, when I made a terrible joke. I said something to Guilda about Michelle not a boat inward, but it came out wrong. I'm like, what? What? How does that come out right?

I don't know if it was the tone that I said it, or that I said it outside, or that we were on a boat. I still don't understand what I did, but it must have been beed. I liked that they were doing these monologues, because Michelle had a whole monologue, and then she has a home monologue it's like this whole law-nordor thing like each suspect gets there the crazy thing is that Julia says it came out wrong yeah it came out wrong because it came out ever in the first place yes and Julia's apologies are all like that yeah oh my god that I used to wear it that is used every day in old boating terms.

It's like oh god. Yeah, she goes it's an old boating team. I should never have said it. I'm like, what? What? I've literally never. And of course, of course, I am not the nautical genius that Julia is, the lover of the sea that she is.

But I have never heard that. And if I had even like, and I'm not saying it's not there because it probably is there. But just because it's all doesn't mean it's therefore acceptable to say she's like, well can I still say, Dramblifig? That's when you put down the anchor. Oh my god. Does anybody have a new rock boating rulebook? I don't have definitions of these things. You know, she, it's, I think what was to me, what was really fascinating about this episode

and what I actually think was helpful about this episode too, is that she really was a great example of like, when white people do this shit. You know, the way she apologized, seeing how she did it wrong, you know, there are a lot of people who don't realize, they realize they've done something wrong, but they don't know the proper way to be contrite about it. And Julia is an example of what not to do.

And if you want to look at this and see it. Like she just figures, well, other people have said it, nobody yelled at them. Not thinking like, well, it was a white boat with white people on it, on white water, under a white sky. It's like, oh my God, even crackers. You know, in a very perverse way, I mean, I do see what she's going for with the joke.

It's sort of like what Bill Mar did when he made his joke a few months ago. Like, we see what the joke is, but sorry, it's like, it's just too tast too tasteless and like there's just, you can't, you can't, it's just not all jokes need to be made, you know, just listen to our podcasts. I don't even listen to all our jokes. Yeah, I don't, yeah, exactly. Half of them don't deserve to be on the show. Do you remember when Don I miss Scott in trouble for saying like, Nappy-headed hose and he said the N or something and when I'm and he didn't say the end word but he said the nappy headed hose about like a

college basketball team. Right. So I'm in the bathroom at Cracker Barrel. I was visiting Texas. I was in New Bronfels. So I was in the Cracker Barrel. And when you're being, they have newspaper things and frames for you to read. And so I'm being and reading the thing and it was that. And the guy next to me goes, and he's an old guy. He's probably like in his, you know, late 60s or mid to late 60s. He goes, when did it become a crime to call an N word and N word?

But he said the word, you know, and I was like, whoa, I was like, you can't do that. You know, like you can't do that. You should not ever say that. Yeah, because it- Hello. And by the way, the reason why you shouldn't say it is because it is so incredibly hurtful to like every black person. It is so mean, it is so cruel,

and if you can't understand that, then like you have to just really look inside yourself. I'm sorry. Well, my point- my point in telling that story is that people who are older and from a different generation things have changed so fast and things have changed for even us, like gay is so quickly, that some people are just like, what?

Like they don't even get it. You know, like I remember recently, I said, Tranny, well, not recently, but like last year, year I said Tranny, which was a term everybody used and Somebody said you can't say that anymore because it's offensive to trans transgender people and I was like But it's not about transgender people. It's about Transsexual, you know drag queens and stuff and they're like no, you can't use that and I've been to a couple drag shows since then like a lot And they joke about it too like well, we can't say that anymore. You've been to a couple drag shows since then, like O'Waart, and they joke about it too. Like, well, we can't say that anymore.

You know, it's like caused a rift, but our generation grew up with that kind of sensitivity, which is good, you know? Yeah, I actually think it's good. I think that when people say, when people get mad about like, oh, you can't say this anymore. It's like, oh, you used to be able to say this and now you suddenly can't say it anymore.

I was like, well, yeah. Because, and my reasoning of it is, you know, when a lady gets married and she changes her last name, if you call her by her previous name, they get mad. So they'll get mad. I'm like, no, that's not my name anymore. Well, they may not get mad. But the point is this, everyone here,

in, I might say here, I mean the world, you know, people are fine with changing names. People are fine to call it with someone changes their name. They'll say their new name. If someone changes their lesson, they'll say their lesson. If someone graduates from a program becomes a PhD and now wants to be called a doctor son. So people are fine calling someone doctor, someone's that have missed their son.

So why is it so hard if a group of people say, you know what, this word, it actually really offends us now. We prefer not to be called that. Could you not call us that anymore? Why is it? Why do people say, you know what? This word, it actually really offends us now, and we prefer not to be called that. Could you not call us that anymore? Why do people say, oh, suddenly, I can't keep up. Oh my God, I always got to change it. It's like, they don't want to be, someone doesn't want to be called that. Don't call them that, it's that simple.

Yeah, or, you know, like, faggot. Like, we say that word, I say that word. I know. And I hear people who aren't gay say that. And they're like, what's the difference? Well, it's a difference because I wasn't brought here. I say that word. I know. I hear people who aren't gay say that. And they're like, what's the difference? Well, it's a difference because I wasn't brought here. You know, like, it's a difference because I wasn't kept out of schools and had to use separate

bathrooms and et cetera, et cetera. There is a difference, you know? Like even if you don't realize it at first, you have to think a little bit more strongly. Like, if you just want to think that everybody's being a big cry baby, then that's fine. Everybody has the right to feel things, you know, and say that they're fucking offended. And it's the first time that we've really been allowed to do that to be like, I'm offended. And it's not just black people or gay people. It's everybody.

It's like everyone's a cry baby and it should be. Yes, because we're new. It's very new in our culture where we can just say, this is how I feel, you know, and I'm pissed. And we're all on the internet now. And so we're used to reading each other's unfiltered opinions. And we're like, I mean, I'm so into the internet because I'm like, oh my god, like seeing what people still find

it totally acceptable to say. And the ways that people can act on the internet. Those are people you're seeing in real life. Like we all like to think, oh, it's just some made up name. No, it's not. It's people who've learned to shut up in real life, but that's what's really going on, you know?

Yeah. The point is, if a group of people finds a word offensive, because it brings with it associations of being discriminated, it brings with associations of violence associations of many terrible things. Then like, is it really that hard to use a different word? It's really not that hard. We are perfectly fine to use different words in all the parts of life. Why can't we do it with this sort of stuff? Well, the same word, you know, and I hate sounding luxury. I hate it. And I do get like that

when I'm like Ronnie's explaining, but I had to learn it, you know, my mouth. I just say anything, and I like to offend people. I was saying the say word for years. Yeah. Not even realizing it was that bad. I knew it was a bad word, but I didn't realize it was that bad until people were like, I love you, but you have to understand that is really, really offensive. Yeah. That's like the lowest words you can call a woman and at first my feelings when I hear you say it,

because it's like, you don't have respect for me. And now, I'm mortified when I hear that word come out of my mouth. I'm like, oh my god. Yeah. Language, here's a thing also, language changes. You know, in terms of its meaning and its associations and connotations, and a word maybe totally benign at one point

of time in history, but it changes. And like, just get over it and change with it. You know, people. Well, my first, yeah. And my first thought when she's, when we found out what it was, because there's been a lot of build up. And so when I found out that she said it like that, kind of what she thinks is a joke, I wrote LOL because I mean, of course it's Julia. And I wrote it. She's the widest person in the world, you know, she's older. She probably has never known a black person before. And I just, but no one's really shocked, are they?

It's like, yeah. You know, you have to train a puppy. Yeah. Well, the thing is this, you know, part of the reason, the part of the thing that was sort of like crazed about this whole situation was that there's also a way, when, if you have told a joke that went too far, and that's actually like one of my fears of this podcast, sometimes we get so into like making jokes, I'm always afraid

that I've gone one step too far and said something really like way too below the belt that even though it was a joke, you know, it was too tasteless and I'm going to like screw up everything, you know, like that's, and that can happen, you know, sometimes the impulse to want to make a joke and go for the low-hang fruit because you can see the set up, you see the punch line, and you're not thinking about, is this tasteless, is it not? It's like a good set up and punch line, you see it right there because there's a math, there's a science to a joke.

And sometimes that science can be indiscriminate about who it's going to fend. And so sometimes We've all done it. We've gone taking a joke too far. I said something too far and it's pissed off someone and That's happened to me. I feel like terrible and I wasn't like oh my god. I'm so sorry I thought I was make I was trying to make a joke it came out wrong and like I won't say I came out wrong But like I shouldn't have said it like this was like I I'm so sorry. Like that's the, I feel like that's what the response should always be like it. Oh my God, I'm mortified. I'm so sorry.

Are you okay? What can I do? Like I'll never do that. You know, but Julia was a problem. I do. Well, I, I use city, you know, snarky sarcastic jokes as self-defense. You know, like psychologically, I understand why I do

what I do and where it comes from and that it's not from a good place. Like, I get that about myself because I've kind of been confronted with my own voice doing this. And I've kind of like tried to maybe tame it a little, but mostly I can't because it's just my personality. But just that she would even think that that is a joke. Like, you know, I would, I've never said anything like that is a joke. And that word is tricky for older people, or a lot of everybody, it's tricky for a lot of people

because you hear it so much, you hear it in modern music, you hear it all the time, but it's like, you know, saying faggot or whatever. A gay guy saying it is a little, you know, you can without people yelling at you. Even though some people don't like it, but people get it. But this one you hear all the time. And so they're like, well, why can't they say it?

Why can't I say it? And why is one word okay for them? And it's not okay for us. Because that's a very specific experience. Yeah. And when it's come from the mouths of white people, it's come with associations about everything I was saying before, hate and violence and discrimination. When it, you know, like the classic comparison is, you know, you can make jokes about like your family

like, oh, my mom is always like this. My mom's always having me. And if I were to be like, yeah, your mom is a bitch. You'd be like, wait a second. You know, it's like, yeah, exactly. Like the perspective of like context of where the words are coming from and who's saying them and who's receiving them, it all matters. It just language is not existent in a vacuum where everyone who says the words it all has the same meaning and associations.

Words have specific definitions and dictionaries, but they have connotations that are very deep and complex. And it's just one of those things. Like we can't say the N word and that's fine. And by the way, why do you want to say the N word? But the thing is, we all can remember the time when we learned that you can't just say the N word. I mean, one time I was with friends, I was like 23 doing a musical and one of my best friends at the time was a musical director, Dennis, this black dude.

And I was singing a Missy Elliott song. And I was, because I loved her, like I listened to her every day, and I said, N word please. And they were like, Ronnie, really? And this was, this was almost 20 years ago. Like this was 19 years ago. And they were like, really?

And I was like, what? It's just in the song. It doesn't mean the same thing when you're like singing a song. They were like, uh, yeah, it does. Yeah, they were like, yeah, it does. Now, granted, that was my teen years ago. But I think I think the reason why I mean, it that's always an interesting gray area, right? If you're just merely residing lyrics, it's no big deal. But I think at this point, oh, it was a big deal. It was huge. Right. Why people have misused the N word, not even misused, but like, why people have used the N word in such a hitful, nasty, vile ways and they continue to, that even if you're merely repeating a lyric, it's just like, we've lost the right to say it in

like the context of like quoting something. And I'm fine with that. But um, we weren't first of all. We weren't in that time. We weren't you know like I learned things from like hidden figures. I watched that on a plane and I was like that is not that long ago. It's what the I mean using the N word is it is like look at Charlottesville two weeks ago. It's not like it was in the past tense. It's the present tense. It's still happening all the time. Well what were you going to say? I'm sorry to interrupt. No, when I first learned about the word because of of course, that's what's most important. When did the white people learn? But when I first learned, I had never, I truly had never even heard the word. It was fifth grade. And it was, it was like, I, it was

before classes were had begun. I was like in, I was like in home room with my friend, research ace, who's half black. And there was a globe. And we were playing this game that you spin the globe, and you put your finger down and wherever you finger lands is where you're going to live when you grow up. So I spin the globe and I land a Niger and I had no idea how to pronounce it and I pronounced it the exact wrong way and of course I pronounced it the wrong way to like the one black girl in my class and everyone was like oh my god, Ben, I put out and sit the wrong way to like the one black girl in my class.

And everyone was like, oh my God, Ben, I can't believe you said that. I was like, what, what did I say? I literally, I think I even said it again, because I was like, it's the country. And they're like, no, Ben. And it was like, it's a miracle that she didn't seem to get upset.

And like, I didn't get in trouble. No one got in trouble. But I literally had no idea. And of course, I said it to a black girl. I, it's like a state of me all these years, because like, how are the odds? What are the odds? Yeah, I mean, if you can get me paranoid like that,

like we're paranoid about being insensitive like that, that's a great feat. Like that's a bad word. If you can make me like, oh my god, because I'm even aware of right now sounding like Ronnie's planning and also sounding like Julia sounds later where she's, where she's like, well, I'm not racist at all I have black friends, you know, it's like of course, you know, but the thing is also one other thing before we start getting back into the recap Another thing about making a joke like that is

With any comedy that you do you always have to know your audience and you have to know who you're speaking to which is why When someone makes a really tasteless joke on like the view, let's say, they'll get like a whole bunch of backlash as opposed to a tasteless joke on maybe a podcast or with a group of friends because if the whole group, if you know the whole group and they know you and they know your intentions or whatever, like if you make a bad joke, they'll clock you for it and you move on. Or they may laugh, you know, but when someone doesn't know who you are, you don't know who they are, things get misinterpreted, not that there was any misinterpretation in this case. But the point is, if Julia was going to make a joke with the N word, she needed to be so close with Michelle.

She's so close and like this had to have been like an ongoing joke that they had about the N word even. Like it's, and even then it probably still wouldn't work. But the point is when you are just like new friends and you're on TV, uh-oh girl. Well, like I said earlier, every white person has that time where they learned that it's a bad one. This one is extremely dramatically, violent, like, uh, verbally violent. I mean, it starts where she's like,

what, where did you just say to me? I'm wearing a turban. Like how dare you? She's like, you don't even say that as a joke, baby. And then when, when, when, when someone says someone says baby in a turbine, I'm like, yes, bitch. It's like someone from the 50s, you know, like never even have a job. Baby. Yeah, that's a good whenever that's a great time to have a turbine on because when you're wearing a turbine and you're a lady, it means you're ready.

You are no one's gonna mess with you. Yes, but by here's it. So here's where Julia's first, or I should say her second misstep is, that now Michelle is like, do you inside that lid? And Julia just smiles, and she says, sorry.

Like, oh my God. Well, Julia would smile if she was like, at a location where there was a terrorist attack. Like, she really just does have that crazy nervous smile. But she was like, you know, you're right. Like not taking it is that big of a deal. Like, oh, I'm so naughty. And Michelle just started getting mad.

And at first, I thought, okay, she's just going to yell at her. And then this will be a fight for some other dinner party where she's really let it build up or whatever. But nope. And then Julia's second mistake is going to Andrea. I mean, Angela. Angela, Angela, sorry. Yeah, because Michelle, so Michelle is shocked, like the band, Michelle shocked. She's shocked. And because no one's ever called

her the n-word in all her life. And so she and Gild are talking about it. And Gild is starting to cry, which I thought was like, not fake. I felt that was real. Because you know, don't forget, Gild is also a minority on this boat here. And so she's probably had to deal with discrimination in certain ways. So they are like upstairs and they're like fuming slash emotional etc. and downstairs. Julia is like, goes up to Angela and she's like, oh, I have done something so stupid. Oh, I have to tell you, I'm just making the silliest comment upstairs. So, and even Angela's like, I, you have to apologize. Angela, well first, she's sitting there lounging and the lounge like she's being filmed in a movie.

She's posing, you know? And then if she listens to the story, she does these different facial poses, like with her hands, like the fingers on the chin, like, and then she like moves it to a cheek. Like, she's so ridiculous. She's very excited because this is her E. Like the fingers on the chin like mm-hmm and then she like moves it to a cheek So ridiculous she's very excited because this is her e on the moment She's like finally it's happened. I can be the lifestyler. They've always dreamed of being all right Let me help you and then so that's just like size now

So she's like, I know that you would never have meant to say it how it seems like There's only one way. If you said, and she's so condescending now, I know that he said that word, but it's not a nice word. It's like, oh my god, Leah didn't just crash your car, lady. You know, some smile like questioning. Oh, she's so condescending. And then when she says, all you can do is apologize and be the big of piss in. I was like, this rubs me the wrong way. I mean, I don't know

that, you know, I won't totally conquer for this, but like the implication is that that Michelle is being crazy and that it's up to Julia to be the bigger person. I was like, no, Michelle is there's there's no way that you can be the bigger person in this situation unless she's talking about be the bigger person for herself. Like, you want to be petty right now, but be a bigger person and don't do that. But if she's saying, Angela just wants someone to be a bigger person so she's not the only plus size model.

I mean, that's really all she's trying to say. She read it on her own Instagram and she's just repeating it. Oh, I just love the way Gail does her Gail doesers reactions like oh, she's just a fucking idiot. That's it Oh my god, I killed us so good. She's like oh she didn't mean anything by it. What a stupid idiot No, she's just dumb Now this is where I started getting like Because Michelle starts getting so worked up Then she is just like spit mad now.

Like now she's just going fucking crazy and she's getting it in her head. She's like she knew what she was saying when she said that to me. She knew what she was saying or is she thick and she's like extremely thick. She's thicker than Angela's granny panties. Yeah.

And she's, you know, guilders like she's just dumb. She's just dumb. she's just dumb. It's like no, she knew what she was saying. Um, but and if that's just her mentality that she would think that that's okay, then that's a problem too, which is, but she's now making it. Now she's just going crazy. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know. I, I, I... Raising kids can be one of the greatest rewards of a parent's life. But come on, someday, parenting is unbearable. I love my kid, but is a new parenting podcast from Wondry that shares a refreshingly honest

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I'm a show. So Julia goes up and decides she wants to apologize, even though Angela had even said, maybe now it's not the right time. Oh my God. But Angela is downstairs like, you hurt her. You ruined her life. She might need to have her seasonal colors done there. It's an emergency calls by you. Someone's about to realize they're a full. So. So then and I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like,

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I'm like, this doesn't help. So now she's pissed and she's behind a bulletproof wall and Julia's just like shaking, you know, like, yeah, by the way, yeah, I misspoke. This was not when Julia went up to apologize. This is when this is when Gilda and Michelle were coming downstairs as you described and they saw Julia talking to Angela. Yeah. So Julia says, no, it was completely unacceptable. And she's like completely unacceptable. Did you just say completely unacceptable? Because she's just like going crazy. And she's like, you're an ignorant little bitch. I stood up for you with that gold digger comment. But you know what, honey? You are a gold digger.

You were with a man for his money. And yet trash, just going on and on. I was like, oh, no. So then Michelle goes downstairs to gilder. And then Julia starts to ball. And here's the other thing that really annoyed me. Did you notice this? Any time that Julia was telling her story to Angela or someone else, she'd just be crying,

bawling, sobbing. But then she'd see Michelle and it was like a stiff face and it was like, I'm very sorry. I'm like, why don't you show? I do, I'm believe it or not, I actually do believe she's sorry. I think she really was like, oh my god, this, I'm an idiot. She was more fun. But why would, but it but it's like it's it was a strange thing that She really showed this likes that she like cried and from these women But then wouldn't cry in front of Michelle and I'm not saying that like it's like oh she needs to be humiliated But like it makes it look makes her look insincere if you know what I'm saying, you know, yeah

I showed the real contrition to I took it is that she's probably got a little fear in her and she's trying to act brave and I think that she knows that she can't get her foot out of from health with this one. Like she's not gonna get forgiveness, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's true. I think that's I think you're right. Yeah, especially when she sees like how pissed Michelle is now and like Michelle's going off into turban I mean turban's really are terrifying you guys yeah be be yelled at by somebody in a turban and don't pee your pants I dare you. Yeah, she's hot, she's real hot, she's seeming I'm talking about the iron that Leah's using back at the villa. How did she get all the wrinkles out seen? Leah

is steaming despite the fact the air conditioning zone and killing her slowly? I won't turn it off because I wanted to open a rope So now so now is the time when Julia goes to Apologize to Michelle and have to look us to what made it come with you No, please please don't I wrote a book about this is called so you call the black person an enbored. It's like a picture for a smiling, throwing leaves. Good news.

You're whispering by Angela Stone. So Angela, when Julia leaves, Angela reposes like back to her posing mode. I mean, she really is a crazy robot lady. She is. So now Julia goes to apologize. And Michelle is really livid. And here is another example where Julia has maybe a slight when slight opportunity to turn things around.

And if you just decide she's going to just make it worse. Because then Michelle is like, you're going to call me a house in wood. And then Julia goes about inward. But anyway. Oh my god. I learned what to say house inward long time ago. I'm not I'm not a total eagdream it's. I mean it's I think it's a much nicer term. You know because I love boats so I love a boat inward. I mean a house. No well, slavery is still legal on the seas, isn't it? It's like, oh, Julia.

Good Lord. You know, I love, I love boats. So, yeah. Oh my God. It was so, that moment was like shocking when she said that. And not only did that, she said it, but she said the full word again. Like, yes.

And now it's like, okay, so now everybody on the boat just says this all the time behind my back. You know, it's like now she is going to get her feeling certain by anybody who's been on the boat and just laughed at that term. You know, it's like she's just making it so much worse. And it's almost like she's, it's almost like she corrected Michelle almost as if to imply.

Like, no, what I said was actually not as bad as what you're saying. It's like, what? Oh my God. Seriously. Seriously. But then since Julia,

the Swiss of Auckland, they can still all drink champagne. They're like sitting down drinking champagne. Yes. But now here's, so now here's the classic thing. Now Julia starts getting mad at that Michelle is yelling at her. Like she's like, she is the victim here. And she's, so Julia goes, oh, I didn't come up here,

so you can just yell at me like this because I didn't know what I was saying. Yeah. And she's just also been totally told off and called a gold, like everything she's ever been insecure about, which I'm not saying Michelle didn't have the right to do that.

But of course, that's how to stab Julia, you know? So now she's like, oh my God, I said I'm sorry. And she won't even listen to me. And now she's being mean to me. And like she is kind of a victim in a way because she was just like totally eviscerated, even though she deserved it. So now she's like upset and she's like, oh my God, Michelle will not take a sorry. She's like, I said, I'm sorry. She's like, you think you're, you think you're funny? You're not funny. You're not funny. You're not funny. She's like, you think you're funny? You're not funny. You're not funny. You're not funny. She's like, well, it's my first time.

It's my first time with the mic. Well, then it was because Julia was saying these things like, I didn't know what I was saying. I didn't know what I was saying. And then, you know, Michelle was like, get out of my face because obviously I'm a freak. I fuck over the board. And then this was great because Michelle was like,

oh, like, please, you know, you're sitting here saying you didn't know what you were saying and yet you're able to clarify between like house and word and boat and word. And yet you still say you don't know what you're talking about. Please, please, you know, you're sitting here saying you didn't know what you're saying and yet you're able to clarify between like house and word and bow and word. And you still say you don't know what you're talking about. Please, please. I know. It's like, oh, will I had respect? At least I put you on a yacht.

You know, it's like, oh my God. She's so stupid. So then Michelle is like screaming herself raw at this point. Like she's really screaming her guts out. And she's calling her a whore. I put calling her a horror I put calling her a horror etc because I couldn't write it all down it was like pure rage flowing out and threatens to throw off boat and she's like can I have the crack a booey to hold on to

until someone rescues me not better didn't make it better sorry so Julie it does start sobbing sorry sorry and then Michelle throw champagne right to her eye like hard. It was, you know what, that champagne throw, we've seen champagne thrown before, but this one felt different to me. Because normally it's been, you know, whenever we see champagne thrown in someone's face and then someone throw the glass, because Michelle later on just threw the glass at the floor, when we've seen that, it's been at the height of some petty bullshit, like Lisa Renner throwing a glass or it's a trendy glass or like, or like, Tamrat throwing red wine in Gina's face.

It's in the context of something really petty, so it's funny, but this one, I felt like the hurt was so real. The hurt was so real, so when that wine was splashed on Julia's face and Julia's mortification was so real, you know, so real. You know, you could tell, like even though we are totally eviscerating her, you know, you could tell she felt terrible and was just like, ugh. And to me, that splash was like, I am so hurt right now.

And it was such a really mortifying moment for Julia, like really humiliating that it just was like, ooh, this is really, this is really a new love for this show. Yeah, it's like I'm not only humiliated. It's like I'm not only humiliated, someone deeply, deeply hurt. Yeah, it's like, you know, every husband before the wife goes on a housewife show

is just like, don't make me look stupid. Like I think that every husband has probably said that before shooting starts and it's like, oh good. Now I'm being called a total whore and I said that every husband has probably said that before shooting starts and it's like, oh, good. Now I'm being called a total whore and I said that in word. Like I've done everything to be embarrassed today. So she's sobbing. Then that champagne glass, it was hard and it was like a power wash. It wasn't just a toss. It was like that girl's tax probably fell out. She probably got some champagne up in her, you know, I juice or whatever's, you know, in the balls of your eye. And so she's terrified, she's terrified, basically, but I love when they keep cutting to her in the interview room. And she's like, well, it seems that I've caused a

rift, which is totally my fault. And I hope that I can say sorry in the right words to make it okay. And then they they cut back and they're like coming up Louise disapproves. It's like oh jeez Yeah, because then Julie goes downstairs and She goes downstairs and it's like crying to Angela and then Ann and Louise come in because they've heard a ruckus I imagine and They hear what happens and what's great is that Louise and Anne don't even say anything nice or comforting. They're just like, they just sort of look at her with just, just proving eyes. And then Louise tells us, she goes,

I mean, the end word is worse than the seawood back to your point, Ronnie. You got Louise on your side. I don't know what made me so like, there was nothing funny about what she said. But when she said it, I just thought it was hilarious. I don't know why and I love that thing It's still make it all about their smottiness. She's like I don't know what Julie's education is I don't know what her background is, but she runs it them out. It's like poor person It's like you have to forgive the poor person But Louise I mean she was on point. She was like, you know, for a white person to say it, even in jest, is unforgivable.

I mean, black people can say it, Kanye can say it here and there. I was like, you know what Kanye is? Or who he is? I just sort of made me laugh at your reference Kanye. Oh my God. And then Am's like, well, we so will, well, Sam Plane. Ah, ah, ah.

So Louise is like, let's cut our all losses just throw Julie to the shark. It's still following us and it has been since it beat me the first time. So then they go back to the Sheraton and which was also kind of hilarious that they're saying in a Sheraton, I don't know why, but they're back to the Sheraton and then Louise is saying out and I was like well up to the incident we were having the best time. Were we not still narrating? She's like, for this scene, we shall be in bath robes, but I'll do my hair straight with a part. I'm like, what do you got a new hairdo for this scene? Come on, Louise. She's like, it's the, it's the N word scene. It's gonna be a turning point

I'm putting on my best Tylenol PM commercial seriousness face Michelle was too upset to loan me her turbine So I'll be using Felicia Goulanteire So I'm like what can you do some people? She's like I said She's like I said that this morning. Oh yeah, I was just like, ants' mouth shocked at all. She's like, you never say that word in front of a black person.

In front of a black lady, is she called her in the car? She's like, I always knew I could wear a fur coat, my animal fun, razor charity, because I knew that Julia would do something significantly stupider than I did. So Angela is just exhausted from sobbing in vodka. I don't know what that means. But I did like that Louise is so tired from act one of her show that she's just letting her earrings do the work.

She's wearing the big, you know, Linda Dano earrings, and she's just like, she's poor. So earrings are like bam, bam, bam. Like you go with your earring acting. I approve. So then we go over to Angela over at her villa where Leah is ironing and Angela's on FaceTime and we get to see Angela's husband. And he looks so, so bored.

And she's like, oh, husband, good to see that he got to work now that we're one car down. It's okay, Lee. It's okay. Anyway, while you're at work, guess what happened? Someone said something that was so terrible. I can't even tell you on the phone, but you would be horrified. He's like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Um, this, I don't know why I haven't seen this before, but this is when I realized that Angela is basically Lisa could draw in the comeback. Yes.

Because she even has the exact same husband. He just looks at her like, all right, I'm going to sit here on this fucking phone, staring at her until she's done yammering at me, and then I'm going to fucking hang up because she's midi it. And I knew that when I married her, and she needs to do this, and she's totally acting, Iing at me and then I'm gonna fucking hang up because she's midi it and I knew that when I married her and she needs to do this and she's totally acting I'm not gonna look stupid I will just stand here like he doesn't

say anything and she tells us I tried to explain to care about the ladies I think it's a little bit too much to explain over the phone because he's just staring at her like can I go he's like he's, he's like, please, whatever you tell me, just remember, I'm at work. And this is on FaceTime and A, and we can see it. So just don't say anything. He's like, did Julius say the N word? How did you know? Cause he's an idiot. He's like, please don't put on the cupcake costume again. Okay, please. That's a last. Also worth noting, Angela's phone has 4,000

unread emails. and her wallpaper is, but he's someone who makes everybody feel like somebody. Oh God. It'll be somebody that makes everybody feel like somebody. This is really, really immediate. Am I fucking love it? Like she's got some kind of psychological issue. I'm not sure what it is, but she will kill somebody one day.

So meanwhile, back in the old ladyhouse, Louise and Anne are like hanging out and Anne's bustling out a whole bunch of essential oils and vitamins and Anne's like, how do you think I got to be? How do you think I can look this good without having anything done, huh? And he's like, on a worse mind case. Don't you think it's a croque? It's a croque, a croque of dial. Ma-ha-ha. And Anne's like just looking at her like, all right, this is going a little bit too far. Because Louise really is me, Dan, you know.

She's so mean. She's like, look at you sitting down on a chair. It doesn't have wheels on it. I'm impressed. It's like, geez. Is it strange for you to be sitting on a chair that's not rocking? And Anne's like, oh, it's so wonderful how we can joke.

Ah, ah, ah, but she's not laughing now. She's doing that serious look that she gets. So, and then back at Angela's villa, Angela is making some crazy vitamin cocktail, which I thought at first was for her, but she's like, Alia, how are you feeling? And she's like, oh, you're gonna say, what a bit of a code because of, you know,

the air conditioning, you know, so. And then Angela's like, oh, you know, say, quite a bit code because of, you know, the conditioning, you know, so. And then Andrew's like, oh, yes, yes, well, you know, just because I'm on holiday, doesn't mean the work stops. My brain actually needs attention 24, seven. So have these vitamins be safe? And she crushes them up and puts them in a bowl. It's like she's giving her cereal, you know, it's like, here's your ad roll.

I mean, your fruity pebbles and my brain needs attention now. The air conditioning has to be low. So my brain is cold enough to understand the snaps, the snaps need to snap against each other. So I can make other people realize that they are people too. Unlike my car, which is a car, which is now crashed, which is not taking people anywhere Not your fault darling even though it is Hell yeah, I have some vitamins vitamins will always keep you in chip shop shape Unfortunately, they don't work for cars. They've been destroyed by liars She's gonna have to wheel poor Leah around on a dolly's rest of the time. She's like only our ironing hands can move So for such a dark episode who would have thought there would be such a hilarious

interlude which is when the women uh... save for michelle and gilder they hop on a helicopter and fly over the rain forest and land at a place called silky oaks lodge uh... and which is with the supposed to be this yoga retreating and all the women show up there were all wearing like high heels and just walking through mud there's nice, beautiful high heels getting just sullied by the Australian Earth. Well, I'm glad we knew what was going on

because every single one of them was like, we're in a helicopter. We're in a helicopter. We're in a helicopter. It's like, oh, we know. Yeah, even Louise was like, I put on a rather nice outfit, but then I had to change into yoga clothes. And they just show her in yoga clothes. I'm like, I think on a rather nice outfit, but then I had to change into yoga clothes.

And they just show her in yoga clothes. I'm like, I think we probably could have figured that out by the transition. It was done with yoga clothes in the silky oaks. So yeah, they're silky oaks. This is so Angela. Like if you see a silky oak, it's probably infested with some kind of bug. I know. It just sounds like a sick tree, you know. Yeah. So Angie, this, so we meet, well, there's Angela, and then there's Angie. So Angela is our Angela. And Angie is the woman who's running this yoga thing. And she's like, my name is Angie Queen. I'm an intuitive life and laughter couch. Spiritual Master, laughter, master,, yoga laughing master, laughing yoga, laughter master, there's the tree laugh pose, it's like a laughing master.

Fucking kidding me. So is everybody ready to give themselves permission to laugh? The reason is already like glouring at her. I give myself new permission. I was on a game show where I was famous for not leaving at all You are the weakest link goodbye. I'm sorry. Is this an acting workshop? I don't think so We're gonna be working on your yogic laughing chakras like this lady She's just making shit up and I like that am is like this is bullshit

And does not approve because women is like now. how do you say hello in New Zealand, right? Higher, here, here, higher, higher. And then it's like, higher. As if she thinks that's how we speak down in New Zealand. It really would have been more professional, she'd said, go to have to leave in the ladies. Oh, we're just gonna be racist for this entire episode. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah.

So then it goes into this weird thing where Aunt She is like, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, how are you? So I shouldn't touch with her laughter, Chakra. How are you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I like how the women are all just like staring at this woman. Like she's crazy and Angel's already like, ah, ah, ah, I'm already laughing. It's hilarious. It's making Louise. Angelous friend is exactly what I expected. Just roll

her eyes. Poor person. Silky-X doesn't make sense, but it is like acting classes. You have to let yourself just be free, swallowing your pride and just do it. Do you think it was easy doing an oil change commercial after I was on prime time now but I did it oil oil oil oil oil oil oil jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy jiffy shell shell shell shell stupid baby baby baby baby

and then it spilled that was quite a thing to get over and I liked a anime j- crack a joke because Angie was like Get on your Yamaha And then goes oh what about your ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha And everyone's like a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam trip. I need to recover and be alone in these stiletto high heels on a beach and Guildel's like, I feel so much she's stupid. And then we cut back to the laughter and then they the laughter lady's like, I see a dog Naysa Batchie, Julia. Could you tell because she was about to cry the entire time. Because she called someone the N word a day ago.

She's just like, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, no! No, all right, maybe it's time to have this talk. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, we are not laughing about that. No, no. I've been wanting to participate, finding something I can repeat over and over that doesn't have the word in and in it.

What about white pow pow pow no no no no Okay, okay, okay, okay It doesn't count where there's 12 of them So she's like I'm sensing a wave of a mission what's's blocking your life? And she's like it is a wave of emotion and Louise is like I think she finally understood what she's done Laughter is the best medicine even for idiots and so she's like I said something bad to someone unintentionally unintentionally and hangers She was oh I thought she goes this was the part when she said she's a dumb blonde well

well you know what actually answered something that I thought was was something that was on my mind a lot because I felt like everyone was consoling Julia this episode and then goes oh she was so hurt as in Julia she was so she was so shocked what about Paul Michelle what about worrying about how Michelle's been affected by it I'm like yes, yes. Thank you, Anne. Thank you for being being a little woke there, Anne. Yeah, I wonder how she felt about this when she saw the scene on TV of Michelle walking through her room calling her an old lady and like making fun of every artifact in her house. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, And she liked it a lot because she had that breakthrough. And Angie was like, it's nice to be taken seriously and it's nice to be popular. Who are you referring to? It's like, what are you talking about? Someone else got in trouble for saying the end word.

So now she's like a normal sized model. Like how her brain works is beyond Craig Gray. She's just happy because she knows she knows she's not the bond of the totem pole anymore. She's just like she's like doing a ha- this is the happiest day for her. She's like, I'm not at the bottom anymore. I'm not the base anymore. Now I'll crush the pyramid from the top. She's like always dreamt of doing in high school. Yeah, so Angela is now like she's, I'm connecting with my base chakra and Louise just rolling her eyes and then so so Angela's like well As I am the only official lifestyle is here at the table. Let me go talk about how we can heal from here So she says she starts saying things like we don't condemn Julius comments at all and going forward

You have to think before you speak and never ever go there again because it's not acceptable My thank you. Thank you, Yonla. Angela Yonla. That's going to take three Instagram posts to write down, Angela. Like when you are forced to sit at a table and be lectureed to by Angela, you really fucked up. Yes, everyone hated it. Louise is like, I thought Shakira was a singer.

I was actually excited to come here. Well, I think Louise actually, again, said, I think Louise seems very smart. And she says, this is going to be one of the great learning experiences of Julia's life. Possibly a definitive learning experience. I'm like, yeah, because she called them on the N word on TV and it will never, ever be able to hide away from that. Also, it will define her forever. Like someone will always bring up this clip in a fight. Like for the rest of her life, like in the old person home, she'll be like, I didn't get my orange juice this morning. They'll be like, you said the N word like on TV. Okay. So you can wait. Yeah. So, um. So now it's time for you to explain.

Well, look at me. I'm sorry you're right, Angela. I'm just a dumb blonde and Angus. Julia called herself a dumb blonde. Well, she said it. And like no laugh, she just looks totally dead serious. Sorry, go ahead, babe. No, I was gonna say that then,

so now it's like cocktail time I thought it was like the next evening, but it may have been the next day But so guildel walks out and she's like well, I haven't been able to be fully crazy this season yet So here I am dressed like mermaid pirate Someone will make fun of these drs Yeah, they all they all walk out to cocktails by the beach and they're all coming out one by one. Like it's a great showdown. So so Gilder looks crazy. She's wearing this like crazy blue and piratey thing or boobs are out. Julia is dressed in her finest leopard print bikini,

you know, her giraffe walk is in full effect. And everyone just starts showing up on and I'm taking seats at these Shes lounges. You see this pad in the lot in Africa. It's me drawing to say sorry, bikini style. So I'm surprised that the producers of this show, because they even got like a drone shot from above of everything perfectly laid out. I mean, this episode really was beautiful. And they're all lying down. Why didn't they make Julia sit closer to Michelle? They were at complete opposite ends and then they've got the mountain Angela sitting there

and she's like isn't this lovely sitting in the sun which you probably don't feel lovely because of the mistake you made in the words you said but sometimes you have to just say I've made a mistake and I'm sorry every day for the rest of your life until the sun burns you and roasts you and you die. I think the producers didn't have them set next to each other because I think even they realized the gravitas the situation. This was not some petty fight. This was like, this was really, really bad. I think we should just separate them because otherwise it's going to just get too dark.

So luckily we had Anne there, because Anne was like, Oh, Angela looked very nice. She had a nice bathing suit on to show off the plus-size model figure she's got. And then she started shitting out of her poopies. And we cut to Angela, who's taken Julia to lie on the sand, but she put spray tanoron and it's leaking all over the upper part of her white bathing suit So nice not to be mocked now that on the one that everybody loves the most So there's just a huge amount of tension and

Michelle Michelle is basically like, I can't talk to Julia right now. It's a way to go home. So then they go home and we see Julia with her husband and she apparently called him all like a lot after this. And she is saying, I'm feeling very, very sorry that I use that word for like the 10th time. I'm like, okay. It cuts to her saying it in the interview room and then cuts back to her husband. I liked that her husband. She's like, it was so nice to be, it was so lovely to be able to call you.

And he's like, it all time to the night. Wait till you see your telephone bill. She's like, how could you think of a T mobile bill of their time like this? But I have to speaking with Michael, I feel so much comma. Like comma. Oh, comma. Okay, got it. When she said, he's like, you've got to make an apology. Wait, what did she say? Oh, she says, where's pop out of my math? And I say stupid things. And he goes, yes, she goes, what did you say? Yes. And he doesn't laugh. He's like, you need to do an apology. Okay. I have a business bitch. Yeah, exactly.

So and it was interesting. You could tell the producers really wanted to put this, this whole chapter to bed because it's just like too dark. It's too dark. So they kind of like rushed through it because then all of a sudden, Michelle and Guilder were at a cocktail party. And Michelle was like, well, Julie's reached out and Gild was like, middle, late, they never write. And Michelle was like, I just want to move on. Okay. And then they're like talking to random people at the cocktail, be like, at the cocktail party. I mean, like, you'll never guess what this stupid white woman said to me, they like, did you call your boat, Edward? Yes, how

do you know? We've had her wine before. They were just saying to bring up the anchor. Gilda's like Michelle says, I hope she does the right thing. And Gilda says, she's not the person who does the right thing. She's needy-it. Gilda seems like an amazing friend. I just, you know, I love it. I love Gilda.

Yes, she's there for you no matter what. So, well, so far at least, we haven't seen Michelle fuck up yet, but she was even there when she had to pick out bikinis with Michelle. And you know she was just like, this is stupid. I drove into country for this. Stupid. So then it's now, now we like sort of like fast forward the next day. And it's time for dinner.

And now it's time for Julia and Michelle to meet up. So they sit down and it's like very tense and very awkward. And by the way, I have to commend the producers of this show because they did have a tough, you know, lined toe, you know, with this show totally keeping it right. And I thought they did a pretty good job of like maintaining the gravitas in the situation where it needed to be, you know. Yeah. So consistent so the way it comes over and he's like, well, I'm the captain. So if you need anything, it's like, oh, just like Julia's terrified as possible.

So it's like very tense. And Julia's like a apologizing because she's saying it was a stupid, stupid, throw away comment. It looked like she was trying to remember flashcards. Like, okay, now I say this, now I say this, and now I look sad. Then mentioned the farmhouse, because not a lot of people have those. So I mean, Julius off to like a measured but solid beginning, okay, being contrite, saying

she didn't mean it like she shouldn't. Yes, Michelle. Michelle is not making it easy and she shouldn't, you know, I'm not saying she should. Right. She's like, well, why don't I just get started? Because Michelle's just glaring at her with a smile. And she's like, yes, get right to the point. How about that? And just watching her fumble through it. Oh my God.

She's like, I didn't understand the significance. And Michelle's like, how could you not, how I didn't understand the significance. And it feels like, how could you not, how could you not understand the significance of that word? She's like, I'm the least racist, racist, best never. I mean, I grew up with Poland, Asians, cheeks, you know, Mexicans, Spanish people. It's like, oh, good. About 10 words. Oh, she died. Say it game. No, but she's like, Julia says, she's first, her first mistake is she starts going, you know, I mean, I hate nothing to do with it.

If Nisa T, I mean, I would have said to anyone, it did not be you, I could have said to anyone. It's like, how is that to make her feel better? I would gladly say Boat 10 word. No problem. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like it's okay in white company to say shit like that. And it's not.

Like you are not getting the significance. It's not just that you hurt her feelings. It's that you think that's okay. Oh my God. Exactly. And she's like, you know, I've written three children's books about teaching the Mayori language. So I just hate the thought that Michelle thinks I'm racist. I'm like, I can't but you wrote these books and then you still said that

You still said that And she can't even do the regular thing where she goes or I have a black friend because she can't even do that She's just like I've known Polynesians before like wait a minute and Michelle's like well Do you have any black friends now? She's like, but I went to the US to play with black people. Like, do you know any black people now? She's like, I bought a CNC music factory type when I was 19, maybe. But a real thing.

I mean, what a talent. But I think that like, I think that Julia's thing, and I'm not going to get too much soap boxy here because we're running long. But I think that Julia's reaction is something that a lot of people, a lot of white people have a similar reaction with which is that they're like, I'm not racist. I don't, I think black people should be treated equally. I think, you know, I don't think there should be discrimination. I'm four black people.

I love black people. I have like friends and I don't, I'm like all four equal rights, et cetera. But I think what people don't realize is like when you say something like boat and word, not understanding the significance of it, maybe it doesn't make you like like, like like totally, that's the right word. Like actively racist, I mean, the unword, so probably, yeah.

But like, you know, not understanding the significance of it and not understanding how it can be hurtful or whatever, it's an ignorance that's tied with racism. And people just, they don't, people seem to not be able to understand those cadences where it's like, look, you can't, like, you're being ignorant right now, you're being ignorant. And the fact that you're not willing to accept that you're being ignorant is actually where you start to become more racist. Am I making

sense? I feel like I'm not exaggerating myself very well. And I want to make sure I are trickling myself. You're making, you're making sense. But I just want to say, um, and this could get me in trouble. But I just want to say for the other side that what you were saying does make total sense because it's not necessarily racism. It's literal ignorance. And you know, some people are just not taught yet. They haven't been through the whole thing. And it doesn't mean there's necessarily necessarily hatred. There is a disregard for other people's feelings or any kind of empathy which has to be corrected but you know it's

being corrected we are correct yeah yeah slowly but I mean that's a thing though that's that's that's why but I think the reason why it like always is seems almost kind of sending is when someone if someone says boat inward and then says on the least racist person you can meet it's like it's it's probably frustrating I imagine, because it's like, well, no, don't say that, because you obviously need some work. You need to learn.

And by you saying that, it's almost like, the suggestion is whether the suggestion is true or not, the suggestion is, I made a dumb joke. I don't need, it was a stupid joke. I don't need to fix anything else, because I'm not racist. Well, she's most degraded. And don't need, it was a stupid joke. I don't need to fix anything else because I'm not racist. Well, she's most afraid of- And that's the way it comes off. Whether or not that's what she means, that's how it comes off,

which is why it's important to be smart about how you articulate yourself because people will hear things in ways that maybe you don't intend. I don't think that Michelle ever even called her a racist, did she? I think the thing is that Julie is thinking, well now everybody's going to think I'm a racist. Right. And Michelle's, besides thinking about, maybe she thinks that too, but she probably thinks, like this girl just has a total disregard for me, that she would, and my feelings, that she would think that that's funny, you know. Right. So I get it. And, you know, I'm also from a place where So I get it and you know, I'm also from a place where it's, we don't look at race the same way just because it's 80% Hispanic and I grew up with so many Middle Eastern people

that we all make fun of each other and we make, we used to make jokes at each other all the time. Like I've been a waiter my whole adult life. Like we all fuck with each other and they say gay shit to me and I don't get offended because I'm from a place where you know I was at a dinner party in Texas I've told this story before but someone said how when are we forgiven like we said we're sorry like how long does it take and I was just oh no. And that's not a mean awful person. That's just someone who was raised in a different time.

Right. Yeah. Oh my god. I know exactly. I wanted to stab her with a fork. I was like, oh. Yeah, context is everything. Yeah, I'm just saying that when you say,

I'm the least racist person, it's a frustrating thing to hear because it's like, yeah, but like, you, like, right now, it's stopped talking about what you, stopped trying to clear your name and try to like understand really why, like, why this was bad, you know, and she knows she did something bad. That's good. She knows she did something bad, and she, she does want to apologize. She is mortified, and that's all good. And when we, when we all get mad about stuff like this, I think it's really important to realize that a, we have the right to have feelings, even if it's annoying, no matter who you are, or feel hurt. And b, we can't get so mad that

it's watering down what real people who really use that word still and Really have the hatred behind it are still out there, you know, yeah, and you don't want to water that down Because the minute you start calling someone like Julia racist that Kind of waters it down. I mean there was just really bad shit that happened in the country. Yeah No, I agree. I think though. I think that all of it is like, it requires a patience to have to, it's frustrating from what I gather from talking to black people that I know since I'm white. From what I gather, it just gets frustrating

to have to constantly be educating white people over and over and over again. Constantly having to be the level headed one who holds the white person's hand to explain to them why what they're saying is ignorant or whatever and like, you know, an ass hurt point you just want to be like, ah, why can't I be mad for once? You know, why can't I be the anger? Well, last year on my birthday, we all went out and it was your boyfriend and his friends and it was the day that the

Colin Copernick stuff happened birthday that day. Where did that? Yeah, you were like, do you want to come out? Yeah, and Angie was there. We were having a great time and Angie loves, you know, her hot topics. And she said, what did you guys think? Because that had happened that day. I think of the day before. And I said, I think that he's right. But I didn't like when he said, I'm ashamed. He said something like I'm ashamed of my country. I can't be proud of my country. And I said, this country has done a lot of shitty things and continues to. And I'm always bitching about it. But that rubbed me the wrong way. And then everybody did school me, but in the kindest way, because I am that, like,

I'm just going to say whatever is on my mind, but I definitely walked away from it with a different perspective. Like, of course, I'm going to think of it like that because the country didn't do that to me, you know? Right. Yeah. I mean, well, that's the thing is that, I mean, that's, that's in the best possible scenario, you know, because we know who you are, and we know, like, we're not saying that what we were saying is right versus wrong, but like, no one got offended by anything you said,

because we know who you are, and we understand the context, and we were able to have a discussion and get to, we talked it out from different perspectives, and we had a whole column-counter neck moment, and it was good. And no one's had to school white people more than like three or four gay black men. I mean, they're like, okay, like pull out the syllabus. Let's go.

And they were very kind about it. And they listened to the other side too because, well, it wasn't the other side, but they listened to a point of view that maybe they don't hear in their social circle or whatever, you know, and I was like, this is good. Like it's important to not be able to get furious. Yeah, but I think that honestly, like, considering what Julia said and, you know, how hurt Michelle was, I actually think Michelle

was more or less pretty calm at this, at this like apology dinner, though she did start, she did start to go off on Julia and she was like, this is not how you make friends. Saying these things is not how you make friends. So then Julia goes, can you just not lecture me if you don't mind, which is like, see, this is your problem, Julia. This is your problem.

You just want to like apologize, say your apology and then everything's fine, but you have to be able to like, you have to face the consequences of what you said. Like you, you made this woman, like furious and angry and you hurt her deeply and you just have to sit there and take it on a chin girl. Well, if we've learned one thing in America, it's the right way to say sorry, because whenever some celebrity gets in trouble, they just have to go out there and be like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, totally wrong. And like we've had that experience. Wasn't real housewives of Sydney?

Didn't they have some kind of problem that got too dark to even arid in America? That was Vancouver, I thought. I thought there was something racist that happened on Sydney and they're not going to air it here because it was just too much. I think they thought Sydney was just too trashy. Oh, okay. Or something like that. Either way, so Julia then tells Michelle, you know, the other girls wouldn't have reacted like you did, which is horrific. And then Michelle was like, well, they weren't called the inward. So good. And also they're not black. It's like, yeah, the people on the boat have never gotten mad. It's like, geez. Yeah, that's why this whole, that's why this whole apology thing like, I'm not like that was always still nice at the end, but she

was still holding her crown. She's like, well, thank you for taking my apology. And she's like, I never said I for KFU. She's like, well, but thank you for letting me be able to move on. Yeah, you know, because I have contacts and my husband's gonna kill me if I have to buy another pair. And Michelle's like, you're gonna go home and you get to watch roots 12 years of slave. And joy was like, haha, wait, are you serious? Do I have to watch those movies? She's like, precious. That one looks good, but somebody through TV, I didn't really

like that one. Talk about offensive. Oh my God, it was, um, yeah, definitely, definitely very intense. Um, but I think a helpful episode. I think actually in the end though, I do actually feel, and I'm hopeful that Julia did learn a lesson because that's all you want at the end of the day. You want people, if they mess up, you want them to realize what they did was wrong and that you want them to change and just know, like, don't do it again and then grow from there. Well, I know that a lot of people watching the episode probably learned because they were

probably like what the hell is she's this mad about because I even had a flicker of that. Like okay, maybe this is a bit much and then you, you know, just think it through. And then people are listening to our episode thinking these guys are just fucking social social, social justice. Yes, like social justice warrior in everything. And I kind of feel like that too in a way, but that's good. My name for me. I'm I'm used to just being able to like spout my opinion as offensively as I

can or I feel like. And then just saying it's a joke. So it's new to me to kind of sit around. I think that there's like, you know, maybe we are being social justice warriors fine, but I think that really all we're trying to say is, you know, don't hurt people's feelings. Like, you know, like there is a line, obviously, like there are some people are way too sensitive, but there's certain like pretty clear things that you shouldn't say. Like, don't

say the N word. And if you say the N word, know that you're going to make someone really upset, like you'll make a black person really, really upset. And don't then feel like, you know, it's, it's like, like, that you're the victim because you call it because like you feel bad because you call them as like, it just doesn't work that way. So call a social justice warrior. We are just saying, but for you to speak, one more thing. One more thing. I've I've been read a lot of news and conspiracy, but most news comments with people fighting and I always think, Oh God, like the white Christian male is always bitching about now, it's only okay if you can be racist against

the white male or whatever heterosexual male. And I always think, Oh, that's so stupid. But you know what, you have a right to have your fucking feeling cert too Like you have the right to be like why are people always attacking me? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. It's not attacking you You know it's attacking the way that we treat each other and we should be treating people We should all be treating each other right. I mean there's a lot of comments where people are like Christianity's fucking stupid and religion's retarded and anybody who believes in that shit is retarded. And we're even allowed to make fun of that fairly freely on this show. But that hurts people who really have true strong faith, you know, and being raised like that and then feeling

like, oh my god, now people all over the media are mocking me, that's not fair either. And it's not really. And you have the right to bitch about that too and have your feelings or two. We all do. And if someone says, and if someone says, you know, this like, this really, really upsets me, like a really deeply upsets me. And then if we were to say, oh, sorry, that like don't be like, oh, you're such And then if we were to say, oh, sorry, that like don't be like, oh, you're such pussy is forgiving into it for being sensitive. No, we're just being courteous, being nice.

We're thinking about the way someone feels, most of the time, most of the time, goes, we do go after a lot of people. Yeah, I'm not gonna absolve myself of any past sins. I'm just saying, you know, conversational in real life, just understand we're all different and we're all pissed and we all have a right to be. There's a lot going on that we should all be pissed. And I think this time in our history is where we're kind of in the teenage phase, where we're looking

around at everything and being like, this is all lies. Everything I've been taught is a lie. And this is a bunch of bullshit being fed to me. And you should feel like that because it's true So hopefully once we all learn that we can't emote we won't repress shit and we'll start taking care of business like you do in your 20s girl Yeah, exactly So yeah, that's fun. We haven't had a big big old serious episode in a long time, huh? Yeah, and it's good. I like that. I like being able to do that once in a while. Are you smoking cigarette out of your door?

Yes, because we keep saying we're gonna end it and then I start going off on something. You know what? Normally we do crap in mailbag on Fridays, but this felt like one giant mailbag in a sense. So, uh, let's just like table the mailbag to next week because this was like a serious episode and it's drained me. Yes, let's go and have a glass of champagne. So let's have some champagne and Ronnie I'm gonna see you tomorrow at our live show. I can't wait. This is gonna be amazing. Oh and by the way people when you come to the live show, be like super-amped and scream and be crazy because, when you come to the live show, be like super

amped and scream and be crazy because we think there may be some, like, there may be some, like, important people in the audience. We want to really impress them. So, oh, nice. Yeah. I want to make who they are. Yeah. Well, I told you who they are. It's not like celebrities. It's not like celebrities. It's just like, you know, people who write people like media people, you know, if're Important people I'll I'll negate everything I just said Like hey welcome welcome to our podcast. Did you hear our episode about the end word yesterday? Oh my god Thank God we didn't save this for a life. So could you imagine? Oh?

My god. Oh my god. Okay, everybody. We will see you later. Thanks so much for being with us and for letting us have a day like this every once in a while. We sure love you. We'll see you tomorrow. Some of you. Bye, everyone. Hey, prime members. You can listen to Watcher Crappens Add Free on Amazon Music, download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen Add Free with Wondry Plus in Apple Podcasts before you go tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondry.com slash survey.