We Can Do Hard Things with Glennon Doyle - How to Let Go of Perfection this Holiday

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

Holiday Expectations are the joy robbers. Here’s how to leave room for yourself, and be sturdy this holiday season (and always). 1. How in our preparation for making things perfect, we leave no room for the peace and joy that is actually in front of us. 2. The opposite revolutions that Glennon and Amanda are having right now – and why they’re at the core the same. 3. The final frontier: How to be who we are wherever we are – and let our people be who they are wherever we are, too. 4. What it felt like for Glennon, Abby, and Amanda to watch Tish’s first live performance on stage. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And through the joy and pain that our lives bring, we can do a hard thing. Hi everybody. Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things during the most time of the year. Not necessarily the most wonderful time of the year, just the most time of the year where everything is just ratcheted up a few notches. Right. So our goal today and our intention is to bring us all together and just ratchet us down. is to bring us all together and just ratchet us down. Oh, I think I should have said, well, sister's not doing a good job at that because she came under the podcast looking fire today.

Yes, she is. So. You just, your hair is just on point, and I know I'm not supposed to objectify you. I think we can talk about our hair. Sister, you're so beautiful. You really are. Oh, okay.

You have a glow. You have a glow about you and I just don't know where it comes from. Are you pregnant? Oh. Oh. Not be glowing. Do you know what I realized this week? I have always I have blow dried my hair. Blow dry. Who knows what that is? It's blue dried or blue. I blew it. I blew it to the blue part is the verb. So you blew dry your hair. You're going to try it with an air dryer. Yeah.

Like six times in my life prior to this week, because I just never knew. That's why the beginning, remember, we do these clips and people would say, why is a man's hair always wet? In the clips and that's because I would have taken a shower because I if I take a shower my hair's wet because I don't know how to dry it. I did it randomly last week because it was freezing outside. Yeah. Uh-huh. And it's easy. It makes a big difference. I've gotten 43 years just thinking it was something

Possibly hard that I would never be able to do they only have at the salon and it can only happen Yes, and speaking of the person who has the most agency I don't know another person who has more agency than you. This is hysterical. Yeah She could make world peace happy. She could make a blow dryer. She could make a blow dryer She could make a blow dryer. She could make a blow dryer. She could mark it a blow dryer. She could sell a fucking blow dryer. She just can't use a blow dryer folks until I'm amazed by it. It turns out you could just do it. I always just assumed it would take like an hour and I was like I don't value that outcome. Right. Our cost to me. Exactly. So the ROI doesn't work for me.

But it turns out it can be done in like six minutes, totally different. I like to note that I think a little bit we're having opposite revolutions. Yes, that's correct. I am having a revolution of bucket with all of the things. No, really, like I'm not, I don't want to wear clothes, I don't want to do my hair, I'm not wearing makeup, I'm just stopping all of that. And your revolution is a little bit

that you're starting all that, because if I'm not mistaken, and I mean this with great respect, I don't think you showered for like four years. I think, yes, I think it goes the bigger truth here is that there is no free way. There's no liberated way. Correct. It's just each person's path because I think your path is attending less to yourself in the regard of like outer appearances, outer, etc.

Me, I never paid any regard to myself in that way. And so my revolution might be like, oh, you can actually do the treat for yourself of occasionally changing out of the clothes you slept in. you can actually do the treat for yourself of occasionally changing out of the clothes you slept in. Yeah, I think it might have a little bit to do with the time of life that both of you are in in terms of children. So you now have gone through the time

where you don't have small children anymore. Sister is just now getting out of small children's stage, where you're just like survival mode for those first many years. And it's like, do I have time for showering? No, I don't. I'm going to go to sleep because I need to sleep more than anything else. I think it's like you're remembering that you are your own person. And you're like trying to like feel into that. And you've gone through that stage because our kids are a little little older.

Yeah, and I love the idea of everybody's next step is different. Like we can all be moving forward in our evolution and they can be opposite things. I remember a decade ago I was standing in a line at Marshalls And if anyone has ever stood in a line at a Marshalls, you know that you age there. Right. Well, I mean, you spend the year there. And I was- Marshalls and Ross Dress for less.

Ross Dress for less. I just, like, when I think of my childhood, it's gonna be like, mom, dad, you are cats and Marshalls and Ross Dress for less. That's right. That's right. We spent so many years in that line. And I remember about a decade ago, I was standing in that line

and there was a woman in front of me in this dude kind of cut, you know. And she and I ended up having this conversation. And this is what we realized. In that moment, she was trying to work up the nerve to say something to that guy, because that was her next step to like get up the fire, to get up the like gump shiner moxie or whatever, to say something. I was struggling equally internally. And I was trying to get the inner piece to not knock that guy out. Yes. Her next step was try to be more lion. And my next step was try to be more lamb. And we were both moving in the right direction with opposite outcomes, which is why you can't ever judge what

somebody else is doing because their next step might be the absolute opposite of what progress is for years. Yes. I'm wild. I'm wild. Linear liberation. You're finding yourself on the loop that you're in. The exact same thing happened to me this weekend. I was out with John Eating Dinner. And we got almost to the end. And he goes, I just cannot believe that you have not said anything about that woman who's over there on her phone during the pandemic. And he was like, honestly, I have never seen such a thing out of you because usually I'll see something and it will upset me so much. And I'm like, she's so, and she's there with her partner. And oh my God, do you think they have talked to each other?

Do you think they hate each other? And I couldn't. Then I was like, well, now I can't be annoyed because you pointed out to me, but always I would identify every single thing and the one I was to be able to talk about. We're hyper vigilant because of lots of things. So what do you attribute that to?

And were you actually really thinking about that when the whole time and you don't? No. Whoa. Well, what is this? I don't know. Oh, what is this? I don't know. Oh, Cicci, I'm happy for you. GD, D. D. D. on this.

Because what happens with our hyper vigilance is it ruins that person who are withs experience because they're worried that we're worried about the person on the phone. Everybody's life is ruined. Oh my gosh. And now, so what I'm experiencing a little bit with Glenn and now is with some of her therapy

she's going through, I'm looking at her less. I'm less attuned because she is less vigilant. Like what John was doing is he's looking at you being like, oh, when is this gonna happen? When is she gonna say something? What, this is weird. Why hasn't she said something? And so it's gonna take some time for him to unwind

from your anxiety or hypervigilance in the social scenarios. You mean we're not pissed about this? We're not pissed about this. I know, it's amazing. I feel that way very much right now with you. I'm like, oh, I can just be here. I don't have to be worrying about your experience

and how I need to, you know, matrix this up for us. So we're both doing that thing. What's going to become less controlling of our environments so that we can enjoy life and everyone else can who loves us. So there's one thing that happened with me in therapy yesterday that I wanted to share because I feel like it might help everybody

at the holiday season, okay? Great. So I am in therapy, like pretty intense therapy again, which I'll explain to all of you in January. I want to give myself a little bit more time, but I have this amazing new therapist to I love very much. Okay. Hi, therapist. So thank you to all the therapists, by the way. Yeah. Thank you. The first responders of the world. So I'm in therapy. Yes, right. And now my therapist is a genius and a wise wise woman. And also she's a little bit like me where she lives on a bit of a different plane. So she has tried to listen

to a couple of our podcasts, but she doesn't know where they are. Because they're like in the cloud or something. And so she says to me, can you send me some of your podcasts? And I say, sure, but obviously I don't know how to send to our podcast. I don't know where they are. I don't know where they live. So I just ignore that request. And so yesterday I get on therapy and she says,

so I found one of your podcasts. I listened and it was great. And she was very kind about it. And then she said, I noticed, she didn't say this word, but what I'm going to translate to buzzy energy. I noticed her energy, what she was trying to explain to me is that she noticed that a little bit hyper kind of like high level energy anxiety that is not just pure energy, kind of a little bit like fear based or something.

I don't know, like, buzzy high energy. Yes. Yeah, like performing maybe energy, anxiety, energy, buzzy energy, not calm energy. And I thought that was interesting. So we talked about that for a little while. And then she asked me if I've been noticing that energy again in my life, and I ended up starting to talk about Christmas. And I said, you know, this time at last, last holiday was like a huge rock bottom for me and a lot went down. And so, you know, I mean, the holidays, man, it's like everything you love, I don't know, it's the most time of the year.

There's like more reflection, there's more distraction, there's more grief, if you've had grief, there's more expectation of joy. It's like forced joy, and if you're not feeling joy, then you're the, anyway. And perfection. Yeah, and perfection, right? So she was asking me why I feel all of this

busy energy stress anxiety in the holidays. And I explained to her that since the family comes to me, that since I'm a mom, I feel like this is my thing to like host and make perfect and make beautiful and make it the best thing ever. And yada every year has to be the best Christmas ever. I had just said it has to be like the best thing I'm making like this big thing. And she said, what if you are the thing?

And I was like, what? And she goes, what if on the podcast, like with your family, when you're on a stage speaking, when you're writing, when you're with your kids getting ready for Christmas, what if you are the thing? What if you don't have to constantly, buzzy, prepare up, perfect? What if the thing isn't like the perfect presence in the perfect whatever and what if in obsessing about creating that thing or you on the podcast like nailing it saying the perfect thing, getting all the words out right, making all your points. What if that's not the thing?

What if just your presence is the thing and all of that buzzy energy in perfecting the thing actually means that you're not there at all. And the thing isn't even there. Well, that's fascinating. If that's the case, then theoretically that would work in an ecosystem where everyone was allowed just to be their thing, right? Because presumably if you're the thing, then your daughter's the thing, then have these things, everyone's the thing.

And as long as everyone is permitted to be their own thing, then everyone can just enjoy and be. Yeah. And when you bring extended family, you know, my family comes, our parents come, there's descending on you a whole bunch of other dynamics that presupposes that you can just remain being your thing, even with those influences present. So I think part of, if I could take a wild stab in the dark, part of the energy comes from your inherent knowing

that what your therapist is true and your defensiveness of, I'm not going to let your influence rattle the preciousness of this thing. Mm-hmm. Yes. Jonathan and Hevar. I'm a podcast producer and someone who likes fancy things. But I grew up working class. My parents were immigrants with factory jobs. And because of that, I think about class a lot. And I want to talk about it. That's what we're doing on my new podcast, Classy. And what did you all eat? You know, trailer food.

And what did you all eat? You know, trailer food. I was like, girl, we're not doing that anymore. You'll hear from people who told me awkward, embarrassing, and strangely intimate things about what class means to them. She said, you know, for the house cleaner, I hide the tag on the $6 bread. And I just thought, don't you think she knows that you're wealthy? You're hiding the tags from yourself.

Classy. A new podcast from Pineapple Street Studios. Available now. Wherever you get your podcasts. I think that there has to be a third way because if my anxiety is you're going to be different, you're going to be different than what? Like I've created this perfect Christmas or this perfect holiday, which does not include you being you.

It's that thing we get back to on this podcast over and over again, which is the thing that screws us up most is the picture in our head of how it's supposed to be. So the thing that screws up our holidays is the picture in our head of how it's supposed to be. So the reason why you extended family when you come and you be yourself, and I'm upset is because you're not matching what I decided this holiday was going to be. Yes.

So maybe the gift we give ourselves is just like burning the picture and the only thing that I know for sure. I just feel like the reason that I try so hard to control environments and you try to control the environments and is because we don't feel safe in our own bodies. Like, we create these safe outer things because we don't know how to be safe inside ourselves. And I don't know exactly what I'm saying, but there has to be a third way where it's like what you're doing with the holiday expectation is like you're holding Holidays in the palm of your hand, but you are just making the hardest fist going everybody needs to be and do

this holiday perfect instead of just opening it up and having it all in the palm of your hand, going, everybody gets to be here and experience this holiday. And we have to make the holiday what it is. You can't make Christmas what is, I think that that's what caused so much suffering last year. Is we moved to a new house, we moved to a new place, we tried to make it this beautiful, outrageous experience. We thought we're all gonna get along. Everyone's gonna be, it's gonna be perfect.

Everyone's gonna, you know, and then it wasn't. And everybody is just who they are always. That's me. Yes. So there has to be room for everybody to be who they are and everything to be what it is. And this idea that I can prepare my way to perfection ruins it for me and for everybody else because what always happens in our family is that then everybody

feels my energy of like I need every this to be perfect. And then everyone walks on eggshells and I don't want that this holiday. So what I think I'm thinking is I am the thing. And if I'm going to believe that, then I also have to also know that you are the thing. And chase is the thing. And tis is the thing. And am as a thing is dad is the thing mom is the thing. Craig is the thing. Abby is the thing. And all of these things just have to coexist without trying to control or change each other. It's like, right? It's like a sturdiness to me.

Yes. I think it's a sturdiness because I think when you grow up as a matter of survival, you're not sturdy in your own way. You're adapting to the needs around you. You are acclimating and placating. And then as you grow up, you think you're not acting according to the dictates of your family of origin. But you actually are because you're acting in direct opposition to them.

That's right. That's right. It's like when you say that, you know, rebellion is just as much as a cage. As obedience. Yes. If you're rebelling against that, then you are still not sturdy

because you are waving this flag, if this is not how we do it, and this is how we do it, and I will defend the rights of this family to do it a different way. But that's not sturdy, that's not peaceful. And I think what you're saying is, when you say perfection, you don't mean so the bows

are all made of satin and everything is glittery. I think your idea of perfection is that we can be sturdy in our peace and our joy throughout this regardless of anybody else in this ecosystem and what they're operating from. Like that we can let them be them, and we can maintain the storyness of our own peace, and that that is kind of the goal.

Yeah, I think for like the rest of my life, I seriously think that this holiday, and what I'm working on in therapy, and is this new phase of life, which is it's so fascinating to me because it, for some reason, like the big metaphors in my books are often about yoga. And, you know, in love warrior, the big life metaphor for me was, I can stay in this room. No matter what's happening, it's like this hot yoga. And I was like, no matter what happens in here, I'm going to stay.

I'm going to stay. I'm melting. But I'm going to stay on this day. I'm matte. And that was like, you know, my 20s and 30s. And then in untamed, it was like, the metaphor was, oh, I can just pick up my mat and leave this room. I don't have to be in this hot room anymore with these people, like the doors aren't even locked. Yeah, I can stand up and walk out of here. I don't have to put up with the shit.

I don't have to, I'm free. And then I was telling Abby, I was in yoga again a month ago or something. And I was in this room and there was this love bug of an instructor from the East Coast and she just was doing very serious hard things. And I thought, this is not how we do it here, but okay, it was like very hard. And so at first I was trying to keep up,

and my body was like, no, no, no, no. So then I was like, okay, I'm just gonna leave. And then I was like, I don't have to leave. Like I can stay in this room, get my experience of yoga, which is just like sit here and breathe. I don't have to do the things that anyone else is doing here. I mean, it's a little weird, it's a little embarrassing to just sit on your mat and not do anything while the East Coast instructors yelling to do things. It's funny that you're East Coasting West Coasting West Coasting. I just felt like the energy of that. And I sat on my mat and just did nothing

and breathed for 20 minutes. And I didn't have to leave. And it was a sturdiness. I had no boundaries and I just was tough it out, do the thing forever. And then I was like, oh, I don't have to stay here. I'm out of here. And now I'm like, I can stay and be me.

Yeah. That's the next step. And that's what I want to do this Christmas because I've walked out of so many things. I've boundaries myself out of connection and out of peace because I'm always trying to make myself safe. I'm always trying to make myself safe from other people like safe from food, safe from people, safe from dynamics, safe from the past, safe from whatever. But what if I can be safe where I am?

Is that the final frontier for you? I think so. Is to just be able to be yourself wherever you are. Yeah, and let other people be themselves wherever I am. I think it's like, when you grow up like us, it's like, are they okay? Are they okay? And your whole life is oriented towards,

what do I need to do to make them okay? Okay, they're okay. If they're okay, we're okay. It's okay, because you're not really okay, but, they're okay. They're okay. If they're okay, we're okay. It's okay, because you're not really okay, but that's not the question you're asking yourself. You're asking me, are they okay? Then you grow up and then you're like, am I okay?

You used to police everything you did to make sure they were okay. Then your second step is you're policing everything they do. Because you're like, am I okay? Is this okay with me? This is not okay. Now I have to like be, that's not okay. And let me tell you, it's not okay.

And we don't do it this way in this house. Not so much with your words, but with your energy. Yes. Am I okay? And then the third place is I am okay. Yes. And it doesn't matter, I'm going to be okay. You're going to have to make sure you're okay because I'm not doing that job anymore.

And I'm no longer asking if what you're doing is going to impact it by okay. My job is to be okay. Yeah. It's good. So, having said all that. Thanks for sharing that all. I know. Because I think when you say things out loud,

it really helps orient the person you want to be. And I've noticed a big shift that's happening in you and it's beautiful. Thank you, love. It affects everything. It's obviously so seen in the holiday thing, but it is very much how I do everything. It's obviously so seen in the holiday thing, but it is very much how I do everything. I show up for work,

or the podcast, or anything, thinking I have to deliver the thing. It's this buzzy energy that always shows up when I think I'm not good enough, so I have to prepare this self that will show up, which is why, talking about therapists about this, which is why I have always been like, I have to quit soon.

It's like that thing that somebody said to me early on in my career in New York, I was supposed to go into this scary meeting with this scary people and I said, what am I supposed to do when I'm supposed to say? And Whitney said, you just have to go in there and be yourself. And I said to Whitney, I don't know how much longer I can keep that up.

So this idea of what if, oh my god, if I could just go, I saw my daughter, Tish had her first musical, before a performance, at her first musical performance, her first live performance at the Trimador in Hollywood. A week before the performance, I was like, okay, so do you wanna get your outfit ready? What are we gonna do to where?

She looked at me like, what? And I was like, I mean, do you wanna like go get your outfit ready, do you wanna move up? She was like, no mean, do you want to like go get your outfit ready? Do you want to go? She was like, no. She was confused about the question. She was like, I'll just decide that morning. And I'm probably just going to wear my flannel. I was like, okay, I watched this child 16 year old girl. Before the concert, we got to the thing, I was busy energy like holy shit, how is she going to do this? crowd there, she's 16 years old, she's never played before on stage, it's the troubadour. There's all these other acts

because it's this combo thing. A lot of these other acts are like costume up, they are backs ground singers, there are people, there are whatever. Performances. Tissues, energy is just, you were there sister, you were there. I've never seen anything like it. No, her energy was just the same as it always is. She was kind of a little bit lighthearted, a little bit serious, steady, steady. I was like, how is she maintaining this energy? She was sturdy as

shit. Yes, we're all up in this like balcony part looking down. She's about to go on. We've got chase on FaceTime at college. She steps on to the stage. She's wearing her docks, her drip jeans, her flannel that she wears every day, every other day. She, her hair is exactly the same as it is every day. She doesn't have a touch of makeup on. She's exactly her. She stands up there with her guitar and she opens up her mouth and she just gets spiritually naked on stage. Her voice is like shattered crystal. She's the realest thing I've ever seen on stage. Her voice is like shattered crystal. She's the realest thing I've ever seen

on stage. The realest most beautiful thing I've ever seen on stage. And she's exactly who she is when she's on our couch. And no one's there. And then she steps off stage. The crowd is going crazy because people lose their minds when they see the truth, when they are in the presence of presence and not a performance, but a revelation. She wasn't performing. She was revealing herself. And the crowd went crazy. We were stunned.

And we went to her after, of course, our, we were buzzing like nobody's business. We didn't know what she was until we saw her on stage. We didn't know. And she was completely steady afterwards. She wasn't even buzzing afterwards. We had seen this thing happen that we were so stunned by. And she was so steady as she was happy but she wasn't surprised.

Yeah. She wasn't surprised. I said, aren't you freaking out what just happened? Like, look at them. The crowd is freaking out. And she goes, well, that's what I knew. I knew that was going to happen. And then she carried on with her day.

And I looked at her and I thought, if I could do life like that, if I could not lose myself to do my job, if I could be the same everywhere and not assign more importance to any one moment than the other. Like, just show up and be myself everywhere. I could do this my whole life. Well, I guess the question I have is,

what do you think the reasons are that you have carried on this way for so long? Like, what's the root of it? Like, what's the truthy truth inside of it? The worthiness part. That's it. It has to be not thinking you're good enough, not really believing that I'm good enough to

just show up as me, but it's not knowing who me is for so long too. And it's the mysterious, could it be of this therapy time and this time of my life is what if it is true, that I could just show up as me. And by the way, this is what it's all, all, you know, chain not dressing up to the, not wearing makeup, like all of this is part of the experiment. Sure. I think it's really interesting that you've raised three children to look inside of themselves for their worthiness at something that you're, you've been chasing maybe your whole life. I think it's really fascinating. Well, I can look inside myself and what I find is 49 hours of preparation. I look inside myself.

I just find a lot of hustle. Anyway, I think it's awesome that I'm not gonna get to Jesus See with my, with my Christmas talk right now, but one of my favorite Christmas curls is the whole prepare him room. One, let every heart prepare room. And him and me, Jocelyn, thank you, Cissy. And I just love I keep thinking about this, all the stories about like they showed up at the end and there was no room.

They showed up at the doors, here and there and there and there was no room. There's no room, there's no room, there's no room. And I just think this holiday about that and about how in our preparation that and about how in our preparation for perfection, we leave no room for what is. And we don't leave any room for our own peace and we don't leave room for our people to be themselves.

We just like squeeze everybody out of the picture so that we can make this perfect picture of what somebody told us it's supposed to be. And so I just think this holiday, maybe we just burn the picture and we just prepare room for it to be what it is. And if you've had lost this year and you have grief, then you just make room for that. And if you have had divorce and you have had death and you have had pain and there's room for all of that.

And it's like, you know, the idea of Christmas is that everybody else was looking for this king in all the shiny places and the joy and the peace and the beauty was in the most unexpected, dark corner. So I think my prediction is that when we leave room for ourselves and our people and what is, that the magic just comes and we don't have to force it.

That's good. There's also a cost to that pursuit of perfection that we are very aware of now. Yeah, yeah, the guests. There's a real cost to you, to the experience. It doesn't make it shinier, it just makes it muddled. Yeah. I think that part of especially, I would venture to guess a lot of the folks listening to this are folks like us who have been conscripted into a hustle army and who, if things aren't going well,

we think it's because we're not enough. And if things aren't going well, we think it's because we are kicking our own asses. And if we want things to keep going well, we better sure as shit keep kicking our own asses because we are making it happen. And I think the prepare room is a little bit like, We could have some ease and have joy. What if we could have these beautiful careers and make time to blow dry our hair? What if we could, you know, be with our parents and keep our peace.

Yeah. What if there's room for all of it? Mm-hmm. Like, what if it's not our martyrdom that is making the world go round? There's a little bit of a Christmas message in that. There is, right? We are not.

Right, right. Our own Messiah. Yeah. or our family's Messiah. Joy to the world. There's a different God and it is not us. Let every heart. So that is our quality message. And by the way, I'm not just like thinking this I'm doing it. You know, I told the kids, everybody's getting like a third of the presence they usually get. I think you baby Jesus for calling that rule. That's the best thing that ever happened to me.

Yeah, it's done. Four gifts for a kid. It's amazing. That's the best thing you've ever done for our family. It was like a month ago that I was like tell us a few things you want. And then I bought the things and then it's done. And just so that those listening know there was instant panic, right, on children's faces. And it has since gone away because they they too understand that

excess of presence is in fact ridiculous. And so life is just expectations. Yes. What's your set your expectations? Yes. You get on board. And I find 30 gifts, you're gonna wish it was 40. That's right. It's four gifts, you're gonna wish it was 10. It doesn't matter. Yes. We're always going for more. They refine their gift choices then.

They were like, oh, I got to whittle this down. I got to prioritize here. And then they're not spending their entire December just wanting things, making up wants to have have so they can tell me what they are. I'm going to put a big bow on my forehead and I'm going to say, I, my presence is your present. I am it. I am it.

You know, you thought presence were the thing, but my therapist told me kids, I am the thing. You are. You are welcome. You are. You are welcome. You are. You are the greatest present to all of us. You are such a love. And you are too, sister. Pod Squad.

You are too happy. You are too baby. Well, we all know that. Yeah, that's true. That's standard. We are so grateful to you, Pod Squad, for doing life with us. We actually are going to come back on Thursday with beautiful and brutal holiday stories from you. We're going to celebrate together. We'd love to pod squad.

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Cause we're adventurers in heartbreak So now a final destination That we stopped asking directions And some places they've never been To be loved we need to be known We'll finally find our way back home And through the joy and pain That our lives bring We can do a heartache.

I hit rock bottom, it felt like a brand new star. A brand new star I'm not the problem sometimes Things fall apart And I continue to believe The best people are free And it took some time But I'm finally fine Cause we're adventurers and heartbreak

A man of final destination in life They stopped asking directions So places they've never been And to be loved we need to be known We'll finally find our way back home And through the joy and pain We'll finally find our way back home And through the joy and pain That our lives bring

We can do a heartache This world finished her rose and heart breaks on land. We might get lost but we're only in that Stopped asking directions Some places may have never been And to be loved we need to be known We'll finally find our way back home Through the joy and pain That our lives bring We can do hard things

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