Werewolf Ambulance: A Horror Movie Comedy Podcast - Episode 81- Saw (2004)

Episode Date: May 9, 2016

Well, we had to do it sometime. In this week's episode we're discussing the 2004 granddaddy of grisly 'what would you do?' movies, "Saw." Special topics for you to consider include: several people who are wonderful but specifically Danny Glover and reggae fusion artist Shaggy, terrible parenting, possible career paths that Jigsaw could have explored, bad accents, whether or not "Saw" is actually just kind of a bunko "Se7en," things that could have gone wrong that would have foiled this entire film's plot and the return of "Mailbag!" What are your thoughts on "Saw"? Did you like it? Did you like any of the sequels? Are you secretly (or not-so-secretly) a huge fan of yuck-out torture horror? Let us know at facebook.com/werewolfambulance, on Twitter @werebulance or on Instagram @werewolfambulance. You can also email us at [e-mail] and maybe you'll hear your message on a future edition of "Mailbag!" Please also check out our awesome-as-always sponsor, Cryptocurium! You can find them at cryptocurium.com, where you can also sign up for the monthly Parcel of Terror to have amazing handcrafted stuff delivered to your door.  Werewolf Ambulance is a horror movie comedy podcast. 

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making these movies. It was like, you're in a room, would you cut your hand off, you mother fucker? You know? Why do they call it torture porn? Is someone masturbating this? I mean, I guess if you're enjoying it, you're probably stroking a little bit. I don't know. It's, uh, the experience I had watching it now is totally different than the experience

I feel like I had watching it in like 2005. Did you see it in the theater? No, I did not. Okay. But, well, we'll get into it. But, you rented this on Amazon, right? Yes. Why were we forced to rent the unrated version? I don't know. I guess rated version, the R version, and it was like six minutes shorter than the unrated version, so I don't even know what was made up in it, but you're saying it was only you were saying earlier? I was reading something they were like 24 seconds of extra stuff or

eight seconds of extra stuff. There's just like little shots of like a little linger on some gore and stuff. That's dumb. I don't remember being any different than when I saw it the first time in 2004. I did see this in the theater. Oh, did you? I was real big into reading Roomorg magazine back then. And they were hymn the, and they were hymn thiole. And they're like, it's got a, Zialo? Zalo. There you go. You know, and it's hearkening back to Argento and all the stuff and I was like, is it?

It is a little bit, it's got a little bit of that like, there's the scene where Carrie Elwis is accused of the crime and then I'm like, oh by there were a lot of things in this movie that I feel like are just mistakes. Well, apparently they had a really short shooting time for this. Okay. Well, they were all busy doing other things. Oh man. No, they weren't. So everything had like two takes and it kind of shows. It does. One of the first notes I have is, hi-carry always, your US accent is better than it was in days. And then the next one I said is, maybe not. His accent is terrible.

I don't know why they don't just let him be. It wouldn't be fine if he was British. This is, yeah, this is like the Arnold Schwarzenegger effect of last week. I have no problem with them if they have an accent. Come on. Isn't that what they assume about the viewing? I mean, is that really it? I guess we'll think that he's like upper crust or something if he's British?

Yeah, they won't want to identify it. Why would we want this doctor who is clearly very wealthy and well to do to be perceived as being upper crust. Yeah, and a piece of shit to his family. So I definitely want to identify with this guy, so that'll be a good time. Although, like, he's really not, like, okay, here's the problem I was having with this movie and this may be because I've seen the sequels and I thought that going into it, the premise was on its face that loud, it sounds so ridiculous. It was stupid. I like want to put it back in my mouth. He like... Zip was up, I zippos. Was punishing people who were bad, who had done

done bad things and you made them think about the bad things they had done. Which I think is more the premise in later movies. Or the premise of seven. Or the premise of seven. Well, this movie got accused of kind of ripping off. But 7 is a great movie. Yeah, fantastic. David Fincher, amazing. This is- What's in the box? Oh. Fuck one of the paltrow, though, am I right?

Fuck your outfits and your food. You know what I'm saying? Doop. What a dumb, dumb. Seriously, what a dumb dumb. Oh my god, anyway. In watching this, going into it, I kept thinking like, these guys do something bad. But like, Carrie always doesn't actually cheat on his wife. And what's the other guy, the photographer, Adam? He's not really even a bad guy. I mean, Carrie Owest, he took a phone call

while he was supposed to be helping Jigsaw, right? And so therefore, he has to die. Yeah, like that's just so dumb Mm-hmm I concur But America did not because this movie did really well And like the girl that gets the trap put on her face She's just a drug addict the guy who gets put in the wire the barbed wire. He's just suicidal like depressed people are not bad people Drugs are not bad people like

I got really angry watching this movie about how they were not bad people. Dramedics are not bad people. Like I got really angry watching this movie about how they were not bad people and shouldn't be punished but then I guess that's not even really the premise of the film so I don't know where I was like assigning it. I think that's loosely the premise of the film. Is it thou? Yeah. But then why would you menace a child? You know what I mean? why thinne? that daughter. Because you've got to learn a... I don't know. She's just a child. It's not a well-executed premise of the film, but I think it is... When she's a terrible actress? The child?

She's just a child. I mean, the mom's also awful, but... Yeah, and so it's the movie. Yeah, him and James Juan wrote the movie. I mean I should say for the record that like I kind of hate but like All right, I'm gonna say I hate it but it's not for me like their sub-genre of horror that they've made on to themselves. They have made an empire out of like the conjuring and insidious and saw and Annabelle and those are different aren't they sort of a different genre than this sure but you're talking about just like they're building of the but they all have a similar thing to me of where they feel too clean okay they're all very clean and very like there's no like crusta the theyreau's theyreau's theyreau they're like uncrustables mom can't have a to be a toa notree so much I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the thable thable thable the same san-I I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thable. th th th they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're to to to to try to to tttttry to tttry to to tttry tttry they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're a frozen peanut butter and jelly sandwich. What are you telling? When, what world do we need that?

Don't, don't Google it. I don't even want to see it. I don't even want to see it. I'm not trying to be Gwinnith Paltzor about this shit, but just make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You see that I would eat. So, but it's like, it's, to me, it's like, you could get a nice hearty peanut butter and jelly sandwich, or you could get an uncrustible. I understand. I understand.

They're like, there's not a lot going into them. Well, this movie has a very complicated plot. And I kept thinking, there are so many ways this could go wrong. Like, what if Adam just drowned the first scene and then nothing I'm like, at what point would Jigsaw get up off the floor and be like, Oh, fuck did he die? He's like, also like this cancer patient just laid there unmoving for hours and hours? It's actually the thing that ruins any possibility of this movie

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And he's a shitty, shitty human being in that movie. And like Danny Glover kind of got like locked in as being a shitty person. But then like, I'm like, no, it's a guy from lethal weapon. And I love the guy from lethal weapon, but it's still like, he's still like, uh, I think he's a good guy, IRL, though. Roll into unions and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, big, big lefty. Yeah. Um, so there's no way tobacks. There's when he's at the police station listening to he's flashing back carry a ways is flashing back to

himself in the police station listening to this woman testimony or statement about what happened to her even though he's a suspect in this which is not how this works. Yalo. She's flashing back within that flash I cannot. I love that reverse a trap thing I think that's totall. It's tholy. It's the the tho. the most the most the most. the most. the most. the most. the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the. th. the. Yeah. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah..................................................................................................... the.. the. the. the. the. thing. I think that's totally terrifying. It's gross. Probably the most, the scariest thing in this movie. Sure. Also, she has it on for wait more than 60 seconds, but.

Oh yeah, she's gone for like 25 minutes. Yeah. And also they do that thinne, a thr nails video just to show you how scary this is like that's scary enough on its face you don't need to be Trent Reznor about it I mean it's cool in a nine-inch nails video and it was at the time but it's not in this movie. It's some dude from a air conditioning empire and is yelling that he wants to fuck me like an animal I'd rather see that the rin' true there. You got a little Resner... Little Resner. Did you guys know that? Trent Reznor's grandfather is like the king of HVAC in the western Pennsylvania or was,

and he can find his stuff in a lot of old buildings. Okay, so Carrie Always and other guy, what is, we'll call him the doctor? Because in every movie where someone's a doctor, all you get is reminders that they're a fucking doctor. Yeah, you want Dr. Lawrence Gordon or whatever. Oh right. Dr. Lawrence Gordon and this guy, Adam, are locked in a room in like a grosso bathroom, chained by their ankles to a pipe with a guide, presumably dead on the floor between them, and there's poison in his blood and there's a gun.

You know what? A tape recorder and like I'm already saying this and I'm like I wish I wasn't. I immediately thought like oh this is one of those fucking like puzzle rooms that you have to figure way out of. Yeah. And it is but there's just so many thing guy's hand or what if Jigsock coughed? What if he had a little fart? What if you get? What if he doesn't go to the bathroom? Nobody goes to the bathroom the whole time. I don't know. How long can you stay still for? You don't have to do it now? Not even a minute, probably. No. I think I just try it. I just keep crossing and I'm crossing my legs. I. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. the th. the the th. tip. tip. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. tode. tode. tode. tode. tode. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. together. the the together. toge. toge. the toguu. togu. togu. the togu. the togu. t togu. togu. togu. today. today. togu. that says poop is so gross for something that's also so funny. Because he puts his hand in that toilet. Yeah, for the weird sight gag of him digging around and like it's got that a that

harketing back to train spotting. Yeah, oh that scene destroyed me. But it's like one of those things of like when a shitty band covers a good song and you're like, oh you shouldn't remind me that there's good songs. You should stick shitty dog. I also have the note, there's that little heart on the turlet. Yeah. And I was like, oh, is candy man men here? Because everybody wrote in shit. They wrote in shit. They wrote in the sweet sweet written and poopies. What a dildo. And then like I don't know there's

just so many things wrong with this like Carrie always is talking. He first of all the other guy has never heard of this crazy murderer that's like taking over the city never heard anything about even though they're showing us all these newspaper clippings which by the way are all about like kids playing with clay and there's something about like um I forget what the other it's something about the ACLU and there's something about like the newspapers they didn't even write the actual story things, oh really? That's hilarious and it's so dumb but anyway they... He's like, oh God I just can't. He's like talking about how this guy isn't a murder,

these people end up killing themselves, but like, no, fuck you. That's what murdering is. I mean, he's like, he finds himself locked in this room and he doesn't think about this until 20 minutes in. He's like, oh, I was a suspect in murders that happened just like this. That's weird, right? What if that has anything to do with it? You're a doctor, Carrie, always. How about the razor wire killing?

I hate that. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it as a kill, though. I think that's pretty cool. What was it? He was basically in a cage of razor wire and he had to get out. he thrown. they. th. th. to to to get out. It was a guy who like had tried to kill himself and if you really want to live you got to crawl through this razor wire to get out how much do you want to live? What? Obviously if you wanted to die I'll just

wait. Yeah it's really sad. Also like you know who deserves us bullying them the suicidal? That's like who we should definitely take our rage out on. Yeah it's this weird like this this this weird like being grateful for your life. It's some pro-life bullshit. I don't know. How about that jigsaw puppet? That has made so much money for Halloween stores across the country. And it's just this, um, you've never seen the Dario Rdento film Deep Red? Profonderosa? Did you say ponderosa? With the salad bar?

So, did you have this where you're from? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know if they were nationwide. Or if they were regional. You've got to said that, like, I may have been from space. Do you have ponderosas where you're from? No, just sizzlers. So.

So. says where you're from? No, just sizzlers. In Deep Bread there is a puppet on a tricycle that comes out and like precipitate someone dying. Okay. And like the first time I saw this like, you're just ripping off Deep Red. Yeah, but obviously that puppet has far surpassed the puppet from Deep Red. Yeah, I mean, for a long time, that was the ubiquitous, if you went into a spirit Halloween store, those were everywhere. There's a really good video online of a little kid dressed up in that outfit riding a tricycle at a horror convention that's pretty cool.

Yeah, I'm like, your parents are fucked up. Yeah, yeah. Your life is basically over. You're never going to go to college, Jimmy. Or maybe you'll be sick. Maybe he'll be like, he'll be like 15, and be like, I'm going to be a fucking accountant. I'm done with that shit. Yeah, that is probably, it's like buck and rebel at some point, hopefully. So in the Turlet, he first goes into the shit end of the toilet without checking the top of it first.

Why would you not check the clean water part first, you dumb, dumb, dummy? Maybe that's why he deserves this because he's a dumb, dumb, demy. You're up to die because you're not willing to investigate the smart option first. Literally about as not lazy. Is this moving? I mean, it's just so lazy. Yeah, go on, sorry. Some justice crusader, menacing a child. He's basically Batman. There's a, he pulls out a trash bag that's got two saws in it.

And something else that he throws into a bathtub that isn't revealed until later for some dumb reason. I forget what it even is. It's a bunched hethat he had taken up to Caryelis. Right, right, right, right. Because he's been stalking Carrileus, he was paid by Danny Glover to stock Carriolus, because Danny Glover's convinced that Carriolus is the killer. See, that's the killer. All because of a pen light or something. Right.

I mean... Where he was set up by the Jigsaw. Jigsaw. Is, um... But I think the assumption is that Danny Glover has lost his mind when his... His partner died. Do you notice that they're named Tap and Sing? I didn't.

Yeah, Danny Glover is Tap and His Partner is Sing. to like a Tap Dancing Singing Duo. Oh my God. Why would you do that? That's just stupid. I was like, what? Why would you name them tap and sing? That's ridiculous.

It is ridiculous. It didn't even occur to you. No, I mean someone has to do it. I'm that dense that it's just going on. Oh, come on. I don't know. Yeah, so he lost it, he kind of like lost it when his partner passed away. Was killed by... He passed from this. He's just passed from this plane.

Rest in power. I hate rest in power. Me too, I think it's just a thing in Dildo say. Sorry if you say it. Just be nice. Just be nice and say rest and peace. Just be nice. This is a very mean movie. This is a very mean movie. Is it? Yeah.

All right. Do you disagree? I think I don't think it's mean because I don't have any connection to anybody in the film. I feel really sorry for the drug addict girl. Yeah. Because that's like a really, I mean like... She's a reoccurring character in all the films, right? She, spoiler alert, ends up being like his protégé. Oh. She's also in the blob. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the original. Or no, the one that we did with on Mike Bukowski. Does she have a cool name? Is she like, thi? the th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. to to th. S, to to to to to to to the the to to to to to to to to to to the the the the th. She's the th. She's, th. She's, the th. She's, th. She's, th. She's, th. She's, the the the the th. She's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. I, thi. I thi. I the. I the. I theeeeeeeeeee. I theeeeee. I the. I the. Sree. S. S. I mean it's Amanda. Pretty sure it's Amanda. Also like why have I seen the other, why don't I? Maybe I deserve to die because I've seen these other movies.

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You know, but now I might be misremembering. And she's now Sodoku. Yeah. Soto. Why is he jigsaw? They call him the, the police call him the jigsaw pieces. He takes little jigsaw pieces out of people. Why?

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That's absurd. There's so many absurd things in this. Like, it seems to be well thought out, but then it just isn't. Like, at one point, they turn off the lights to off, like that's not, you can still, the sound is the same, whether the lights are on or off. You're not a three-year-old. Or like an infant, you know, when you cover your eyes and they, object permanence, I don't know, it's just, I couldn't.

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because he thinks he's this killer or he thinks he's being set up by the killer. Right. Or which is it? Does it matter? He thinks he's the killer. But he isn't the killer. He's not actually cheating on his wife. He's just thinking about it. We see a scene in the hospital where there's a resident who's obviously DTF with Carrie

Oas. As you know, post-Princeceau, I think a lot of us were. Oh yeah, I still am. Cario is if you're listening. I just winked. But I can't really wink, so I just actually just blanked. We'll face squeeze. And it's beautifully subtle the way they interact with each other. You can't really notice that.

It's fucking ridiculous. No, I mean, I think, yeah. He like walks by and he goes, huh? And he goes, hey? So they meet up later in a hotel at a flashback. And I can't, like had they done this before or was this supposed to be their first encounter? I don't think so because it was like, he was telling her about like you called wrong, you know what I mean? So it seemed like she didn't, like they didn't, like rules weren't established.

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bar fight and I was heartbroken until I found out it wasn't true. I love that he doesn't have the accent. He doesn't? No, he's not. Yeah, he has an American accent. Oh, Shaggy. Oh, my god, the illusion is just destroyed for me. It's really fun. I like that in the song it wasn't me. All the words you know are not shaggy. There's some other guy. It doesn't matter. Does anything matter? Does anything matter? Does anything matter? I'm pretty sure if she caught you banging on the bathroom the the the the Yeah, yeah. Or does she have object permanence and once you walked out of the room, she's like, oh who was that? It wasn't me? Yeah. And that's her shagggy guest. He just told her it wasn't him. He said it wasn't me. And she was like, oh, he'd be like, who the fuck was in my home? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Can we talk about Dr. Laura's Lawrence Gordon MD's? He's a doctor.

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It's fantastic. That's funny. I love it. So Danny Glover's hired this guy to spy on him. He's been taking photos of him. But that's it for Adam, right? That's pretty much it. He's like kind of a loser, I guess.

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They're for your answering machine. Yeah. Or if you're like a reporter. He tells Dr. Lawrence Gordon M.D. that he has to kill Adam by 5 o'clock or whatever. Why? Why? Why? Why? I don't know. By 6 o'clock. Oh, I'm sorry, by 6. Please give him that extra hour. So they wake up at noon? Do we mention they're both chained to pipes too?

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Yeah. Why? And then he has been told by Jigsaw that he has to kill the wife and daughter to get the antidote to the poison. Why? What the fuck did they do to anybody? Well he has to kill them if he if Dr. Lawrence Gordon doesn't kill Adam. Why? So if he doesn't hit that six o'clock timeline, that deadline I mean? Yeah. He has to kill the kid and wife. Why? What are what are what are the the the the the the th are tha tha tha tha? What are tha? tha? tha? tha? thiii? thi? thia? thi? thi? thia? tha? tha? tha? tha? thi? thia? thia? thi? thoomomomomomorrow. thoomomorrow. thoomom? Why? Why? W W W W W W W. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Whythe kid and wife. Why? What are the things that do with one another? It's the stakes that are making Dr. Lawrence Gordon have to kill Adam. I mean there's no other stakes for him. I see.

Oh right, that makes sense then. Yeah, that's that is, he does cry into the cell phone. Yeah. That only makes incoming calls. Yep. Zip-Hindle. So, but why should Adam have to die? What has he done wrong? I guess I'm just really hung up on the social crusader of all of this when it really doesn't matter? I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

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Danny Glover, so it's kind of like a, you know. Yeah, it's a step down. Okay, Um, he jigsaw gets caught by the police, but traps the arresting officer in one of his own games while showing another game of eight including the officer's son in progress on TV monitors at another location. It also provides some of the backstory for his reasons to becoming jigsaw. After the financial success of saw, a sequel was immediately greenlit. The... Oh, somebody else wrote it too, by the ide. The idea of being jigsaw seems exhausting. Why would you ever want to plan all this? I can't even like plan like, do you know what I mean?

When faced with the prospect of planning something complex, I'm like, ugh. Well, it's like, I don't know how much comic book, but you're not a big comic book fan, but like comic book super villains are always like, he's a brilliant. And you're like, yeah, why don't you use your butt hole, Adam splitting butthole for good and just like make a billion dollars, but no I can't. Like Jake Saw, you should be a fucking wedding planner, dog. You would make this shit. I know, he's coordinating so well.

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Saw 3 and you can see why I'm angry, okay. The story follows Jeff Denlin, a man who after his son is killed and a hit and run, is put through a series of tests by Jigsaw in order to try to get him to let go of his vengeance for the man who killed his son. Meanwhile a bedridden John Kramer who is jigsaw has his apprentice, has his apprentice Amanda kidnapped Jeff's wife, he was tasked thi to keep him alive for one final test before he dies. Had these people not suffered enough? When if this becomes a really weird school of therapy? Excuse me.

That's what it seems like, that's, it's just, I guess I had a misconception about it going in and now I feel very strangely about it, where I thought it was like bad people being punished. But I guess maybe that was seven. That was seven. It's just teaching life lessons. So your therapist is, are they youngian or are they taking more of like a Freudian approach to this? It's cognitive behavioral therapy. Oh, okay.

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I wouldn't take your passport, do you solve this? Yeah. And you're like, what? Or like when they find the guy with the drill bits going into his neck or whatever, and they're just like, we'll put the sheet back over him. What? That's not how a. They're right next to his fucking hand he's just shooting them. Which is great because later in the film he cannot shoot a man lying on the floor. Like what?

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And I always feel like they made a fuckload of money. So like, I don't know, on my table of movies would I reach for it? Not this one, no. But I might like watch Saw Six on a sick day just to ruin myself. I wonder if we should have done later in the franchise. Yeah, maybe we'll do it later. Oh, okay. I mean, we're gonna run out of movies at some point. Yeah, let us know if you want us to do that. So what's your, what you're n your number on it. Of which one we should do? No, oh, my numerical rating. Oh, uh. You didn't get that from me saying number? Wow, he just made the jewa noise for a really long time.

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No? No. Because of the guy's just going, oh God. Oh God. Oh God. Though there is something really awful about the idea of being locked in a room with a corpse where no one will ever find you and you're going to starve to death at the end. And a shitty toilet. And a shitty toilet. And you're changed so you can't even poop on the toilet, you're going to have to poop your pants. So like, I guess, I don't know.

It's a concept that you could really do a lot with if you weren't a dildo, you know? Yeah, I think these are just, and on some level I go back to it again. I don't like it, but it's for somebody. Sure, and a lot of somebodies, because they liked it a lot. Yeah, and they went back. I think it's like those paranormal activity movies. The first one is pretty D's though. Yeah, we should do one of those. Yeah, let's do paranormal activity soon. Or, you know, there's a lot of film genres that are just not for me and that's fine. Yeah.

That fucking hardcore Henry movie that I want to punch in the face. Like all these things are out there that are just not for all. I've started to feel like there's less and less for me. Oh no, buddy. Yeah. Is this podcast ruining things for you? No. I just don't like many things. Oh.

But you found some things via this podcast that you would have never known that you liked? True. Theon maniacs. That's the one. That's bummer. We know it's not a bummer, Katie. Oh, man, we got to do better. We owe it to Jason to do better. My segues are fantastic.

Let us know if you like my segues. Yes. Cryptocurium's parcel of terror. Tell me all about it. Our friend and former podcast guest on the alien episode, Jason McKitrich runs Cryptocurium and he does this thing called Parcel of Terror which is a monthly subscription box you pay $35 and Jason sends you this awesome box fill with amazing stuff of like

magnets for your refrigerator that are universal monsters or Slasher like Jason Borhees and Michael Myers and Frederick Kruggersen and all these people. Frederick Kruggers. Oh yeah, I'm a full name with him. And these awesome stickers that are covering our computer and wall plaques. And we, we, we, we post the stuff from Crypto Karim so you can see the stuff that he's got going on.

And you should, you should get invested in this and give him your their, to get these awesome things. If you don't want them, you can re-gift them out to the world and like spread this awesome art. Handmade, hand sculpted, hand painted, just fucking amazing stuff. Yeah, crypto-cure-em. Go to Crypto-cure-em. Sign up. You just said the whole thing. But I got to talk about a thing that I liked after having to talk about saw for 40 minutes. That's true. In the vein of talking about things that we like. Yeah. I would like to do

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I'll put the, we'll put the link up everywhere so people can see that. Yeah, so thanks Jim. That really, it's a great crossover of things that I love, which I really appreciate you sending me a month ago. If you want to be featured on Mailbag. Mailbag! It's a Wearable Familance at Gmail. tho. And guys, I put it on my phone now, so I see it.

Speaking of seeing it, whoa. We're going to try to do something next week Katie. We're gonna try and do a very special episode. Yeah, we're gonna try And do a swear innuendo gross free episode Will we cover a kids movie? I just feel like we don't know how to be funny without being vulgar. Let's see data's dick? Dada's dick. You know what I mean? Titty shit? Yeah just like combining words that shouldn't go together? Yeah, they shouldn't. Dato. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Dat. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. Da. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. they? D. they th. they th. th. t. t. t. t. t. to t. tie. t. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. try. try. try. try. try. Yeah. try. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. try. try. try. try try try try try try. try. try try try. to to to to to to to to to to try shit? Did you say titty shit? Yeah, just like combining words that shouldn't go together? Yeah, they shouldn't. It's a Cleveland steamer, isn't it? Oh, God.

You said it first. You said it first. I said titty shit. Is it the quick definition? Yeah. A Cleveland see. Look it up on urban dictionary. You, you won't hear such gross jokes when we do. Gotta get it out now. Coraline.

Coraline. So if you have kids, maybe they could listen to this episode. Yeah, and you want to listen this, not to swear. And to be also to be funny and adult, adult worthy. Yeah, so we're gonna try and appeal to the entire family. Also if it fails entirely, we'll be doing paranormal activity. My favorite thing about this is that this is just restrictions that we put in ourselves for no fucking reason. The more we're talking about it, the more I'm like, why are we doing this? Kids are great. I have the greatest baby niece.

I'm excited to watch Corlain. I read, I actually read it last year. Oh, did you? I just picked it up at like the half-priced bookstore. I've never read it. Oh, nice. And I love John Hodgman. He's like my hero. Keith David. They live and the thing and Yeah. Requiem for a dream. Oh my god yeah. Man speaking of movies that are butl bummers. We should do that. That is a horror-orific movie.

Tune in next week for Coraline. We're following Saul with Coraline. Or if it doesn't work out again, I'm just going to say, it'll be paranormal activity. And if not, we'll see you next week after that for paranormal activity. Right? Do we decide to do that? Yeah, yeah. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you think.'s on Katie's phone now. It's on my phone now. What if we don't get any more emails I don't have to make shit up? This one's from Brian from Wings. And t-shirts

are on their way soon, soon, soon, right? Soonish. I mean, whatever. Wear Wolf Ambulance soon. Yeah, which is within the next 30 episodes. So, thanks so much for listening? Thanks, I guess. If you made it this far, thank you, honestly. Bye. Game over. the game over. Alan, would you like some cookies? you