Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Jak Knight
Episode Date: December 28, 2018Santino sits down with Jak Knight (Big Mouth, Netflix) to talk about black Twitter, late night TV and The Comedy Store vs the world. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...
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My guest today is one of my favorite people on earth
Don't be flattered I say that for all my guests
But I really mean it with you
Is Mr. Jack Knight
Jack Knight, thanks for coming through
Hi
I'm excited, we were talking off camera
Before this got started
Yeah
About the Me Too movement
You had some comments, go for it
I'm one of those people
who are like super,
I'm as with the Idris Elba comment
where he was just saying
if you have nothing to hide,
you'll be totally fine.
I feel that way,
but I just want to see.
That's what a white dad says,
by the way.
That's a very white dad
when it's like,
well, if you got nothing,
let the government
have your computer.
Right, but everything,
I'm a big believer in karma.
I'm a big believer
in everything circles around. And so all these women and all these gay people who are
talking hell of shit it's gonna come and hit y'all coming back it always starts with white men you
think so it goes to black people then it's gonna go to white women then it's gonna go to black
women who trickles down and then gay niggas is next and that's gonna be so funny is that that's
all gay people me too when gay people are getting me too too i'm from seattle
man these gay niggas be pushing each other so wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute so you think
it starts from the most privileged to the least privileged will eventually get me tooed as well
yeah it won't be as big of an article right but within the community that that it is people will
know so white dudes yeah white women no black dudes black dudes just because you're still a
dude just because you're still a dude Just cause you're still a dude
White dude
Black dude
And Me Too is about the
Whoever has the power
Right so white dude
Black dude
White woman
Black woman
And then like
You know
The miscellaneous
Then
Okay then genderless
No like they're in between
But we don't really like
Non gender specific
Yeah
Then
Then blind
Gay people without a right arm
Yeah Yeah yeah Then Then parapleg without a right arm. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Then paraplegics who are mutes.
Then firefighters.
They fit right in.
Yeah, they're right down there.
So it is funny because I was talking about this with Moses.
We were talking after I did that podcast.
And it is funny to think how many people who are pointing a lot of fingers, they point
fingers because they point fingers
because they got something to hide.
So the first person to throw a stone to me obviously lives in a glass house and they
don't think about it.
I don't know who I was... Somebody on Twitter, there was a comedian on Twitter who was talking
crazy shit about not performing where Louis performed.
Those people, those comedians?
Yeah.
One...
Why do you need to say...'s my point Me and Sam Jay
You know the
No I love Sam Jay
Very great comedian
Close friend of mine
We always talk about this
If you can't hoop
What you do is judge the court
Right
Right
If you can't
Like if there's people
Who can't go to the comic store
And do the OR
Right
That can do festivals with me
And do other alt shows with me
And I do more alt shows
Than I think you do
Yeah you do
Yeah I used to But I quit Yeah but I do hella alt shows and so like when i do the i could do both and when
people like oh you do the fucking comedy story i must all you had to do was run up there and say
gay or like no you don't you gotta talk to an australian that's fucking hard yeah you gotta
talk to a tourist at at 1 a.m in the morning right see i think that's that's a huge misconception i
used to do a lot of alt shows i've talked about i think on this podcast before i do a lot of alt or Eastside shows when I first started because that's all there was.
I wasn't at the store.
The scene's dying, though.
Well, let me tell you why the scene is dying.
And that's exactly, that's a perfect way to talk about it.
Because I did it back then because that was a great outlet for young comics who were writing a lot to do shit.
And I stopped doing it because I felt there was such a click, a bullshit click mentality that wasn't predicated upon how funny you were.
It was all about
localized status
it was another high school
back of the room laugh
exactly
big issue
but it was another high school
of the kids in high school
who weren't good at being in high school
well that's the irony right
none of these people
were cool in high school
so now they're cool there
and I'm not talking
everyone in that community
I'm just saying
it started to become that way
for me
about five or six years ago
so I quit
I quit going
you just stopped doing the spots
because I've seen you at shows.
We've done all shows together.
We've done all shows together.
I just stopped asking or talking.
You know, like,
that's an old show right there.
You know, like,
I used to go to Nerd Melt.
Right, right, right.
I used to do all that shit.
And I still love a lot of those people
that I started with.
Great comedians in there.
But it started to become
such a clicky thing
that, like, the irony was
they were talking shit
about the comedy store.
Like, that was the click.
But I was like,
no, bro,
this is such a high school league click thing over there it is
a click just like any fucking any business has a click of moving up but you had to be funny as
fuck to kill on those stages yeah to get to the stage to kill on the stage but like in in defense
of what they were kind of saying the comedy store does allow a lot of uh bullshit motherfuckers off
the fraternity aspect of it.
Truth.
But I think they're
cutting down on that.
They are,
but I got passed
because I followed...
You're one of the bullshit
motherfuckers that know it.
But no,
Adam passed me
because he put me
after Rogan doing 30.
Yeah, good luck.
So it's like,
if you can't follow Rogan
doing Rogan,
that place is built by Rogan.
And the cheap shot that someone could say is,
and by the way,
I'm not taking shots at anybody in the community whatsoever.
I'm just saying it's got different for me and it got weird for me.
And the comedy store is a way better home for me because,
because of that reason,
right?
I'm not like Joey Diaz,
right?
Joey Diaz,
cocksucker,
motherfucker.
Dude,
I love him.
His energy is unbelievable.
It's so hard to match. the to me the hardest and most impressive thing in the world is when a comic
who's nothing like joey like ali wong or someone like that who is the opposite thing right i love
when people who can take something so insanely its own energy and then change it to theirs come
on man because i gotta say a lot of the other shows I did around town, it felt like I was listening
to the same comic set after set after set.
And they all kinda had the same style.
But it makes it easier for the audience to consume.
Totally.
So that's why everyone kills, no one's really killing,
everyone's just kinda riding away with whoever.
Everyone's doing well.
Yeah, no one's really killing.
And that's why, I mean I'm not as high
in the lineup as you, but I'll go after a Faheem
or I'll go after an Eleanor who are just up there with right and i gotta like okay let me flip this back down and hit like the
cool black angle and then right fucking i also do the cool black angle but you do it better than me
honestly you are my first black guest and obviously my last you know i don't you didn't you didn't get
byron on this no dude i'm hey listen you know what's so funny is out of all the friends i have
in this business I'm going out
to people that I
am really interested in
and
and a lot of the people
I've reached out to
either don't
don't have time right now
or
they really want to do it
but it's just like
everything is kind of
you know
it's kind of hard
it's a weird time
in comedy
but I'm gonna get
everyone that we love
that you know
I know
and everyone loves you
so it's like a very
you'll be fine
we'll see
no
like I've never
heard a bad thing about you I could tell
I'm gonna email you a whole list of shit that I've heard I plant
mics all over the place and I find out what people are saying
about me I'm fucking them up
but what I do want to talk
to you about actually one of the
dudes in here was talking about it earlier
was black Twitter the idea of black Twitter
and it's prominence right now and
what's going on.
All the jokes, every single joke from late night is stolen from black Twitter and it's really fucked up.
It's fucked up.
How come no one's talking about it?
How come it's not getting more heat and more weight?
The people who talk about things
and the people who circulate the ideas
and circulate the articles and the split-siders
and the vultures, this is my point.
And this is no shade to anyone who did the Netflix 15 15 that i did sure you did them i did them yeah
tim dylan and sam jay weren't on any list for the netflix 15s what do you mean by that they
weren't like oh any of the um it's all narrative built right everything is narrative built and it's
like fucking sucks because this is the one place you're supposed to go to destroy narratives it's
comedy totally that's what the whole thing is built on top of. That's why we do it.
That's why Lenny Bruce is butt ass naked from the cops
four. Right.
He died booty naked just so we can talk shit
about narrative. And then you're going to add more narrative
with these other articles and shit. And so the reason
why no one brings up these black Twitter arguments is like
okay if we bring up all these facts
then Zach Fox, Javon,
Jaboukie,
Nonu, all these amazing black Twitter writers, they're
going to take their jobs.
Right.
So if they write the articles about black Twitter writing all the jokes, the niggas
who are writing for Vulture, the niggas who are writing for Splitsider, they want to write
for Colbert.
They want to write for Seth Meyers.
Of course.
So if they bring light to the people who they're stealing the jokes from, that means they're
knocking themselves off the position to get to the job right and it's just it's just some white supremacy
shit because in reality every if every colbert joke is just every punchline is some shit from
the gay community every punchline is some shit from the black community every punchline is some
shit from the black female community and then and once you once you bring light to that thing
the people who bring light to shit are white right but but how
then then explain to me this when it is an inherent black joke the the a late night show
takes it and makes it white and their spin because they soften it or they cut the edges off you mean
like they just you still gotta talk to this crowd you still gotta talk to the people who go and see
ellen in the middle of the day they're not gonna understand the very deep cut of a black twitter
joke well it's too meta right it's too meta, right? It's too meta. So they got to say the easiest black Twitter thing.
But what we have to do now as a comedian,
and you know this just like anyone else,
is like we have to play both.
We have to be able to go to the motherfucking middle of Omaha
and still be like funny,
but then also not be hacked, consider, to black Twitter.
Well, I have to, I guess.
Well, you have to.
Well, not everyone has to.
Everyone has some semblance of a duty
to try to do that
but my biggest thing is like
you know a lot of my humor
tends to be
I tend to get a little bit
racial
but like
anybody who knows me
knows the reason I do that
is because
I know how uncomfortable
and weird people get about
racial topics
it's so weird
but I need to feed that
I need to feed them that
because I feel like
it's important for us
to joke about these things otherwise we corner ourselves into a place where you're like i only
tell these kind of jokes i i don't i don't uh i don't i won't touch on oh i don't touch that stuff
so but why that's the that's that to me that's the whole freeing point about this you can say
you can talk shit about a white dude just as much as i should be able to talk shit about you
right if it's a if it's a if to talk shit about you right if it's a if
it's a if it's a good point right if it's a funny point but the problem the problem with you're
saying is there's been so many people with your skin tone has made garbage jokes about it totally
and so you're living in there i have to fight out of you're living in their rubble unless your joke
has to be fucking brilliant right to dig out of their rubble to whereas that's why i do so many
fucking gay jokes or bitches jokes.
I'm not a woman and I'm not gay.
I like the challenge as much as...
I mean, I've sucked as many dicks as the best.
Time has yet to tell.
Time has yet to fucking tell.
But I think it's a duty for you to kind of push the limits of things like that.
Just because you're not gay and you're not a woman doesn't mean you can't joke about these things
as long as the angle is right.
My point has always been, if the angle is good,
if the joke is clever and if it's very funny, it't matter by the way when i do racial shit some of the first
people or maybe the only people that laugh are usually black people and black people come up to
me after shows all the time that are like yo that was so funny because you don't get nervous you
don't you don't uh give up yourself there's a lot of white people who tell black jokes you can feel
them either there's hatred behind well they probably don't like black people to begin or or
or there's fear behind it right
and so if you
if you go into
that's why I see a lot of
white comics
or black comics
go into black rooms and bomb
cause they come in there with fear
and black people are like
when you show fear
to black people
it's like discomfort to them
right
it's discomfort to black people
that you're uncomfortable around them
black people sniff out
sniff out fear
and that makes them uncomfortable
and it's not like
they're not sharks
they're not tigers
they're not lions
they're human beings
no but they can tell
when someone is not in and they're like why are you uncomfortable with me bro what's wrong with you that's racist right and so they're not sharks. They're not tigers. They're not lions. They're human beings. No, but they can tell when someone is not in.
And they're like, why are you uncomfortable with me, bro?
What's wrong with you?
That's racist.
Right.
And so they're like, why the fuck are you in here being uncomfortable, bro?
Because it is.
It is.
When you see a black comic bomb in a black room who's trying to do black jokes or black
center jokes and they bomb, what's the root of all that?
They're just bad.
They're just garbage.
They're just trash.
Yeah, they're garbage.
Black rooms are very, people always try to like, I was watching the Charlie Murphy.
When he got booed?
No, the unsung thing.
Oh, I was like.
But that was a part of it.
But it was a Hollywood unsung and because of the Chappelle show, Charlie Murphy had
a giant white fan base in the first.
Massive.
And white audiences are patient.
Patience is a part of white culture. Patience is a part of white culture.
Patience is a part
of white culture.
We're not supposed
to get upset.
But also patience
is a good virtue for comedy
because you need to
get to the next thing
and the next thought
on stage.
But black people
don't have time for that.
They have a babysitter
and they go
go do the thing bro.
No but I think it's also
even more than the joke
even more than that
being hilarious
is culturally culturally the way that black people tend to like humor, in my opinion, that I dole out is quick and funny and very real.
They want it fast and real.
So if it has any kind of like hints of being like inflated or fake, I think black audiences, in my opinion, just don't like fake,
cheap,
kind of like corniness.
And white audiences
are willing to sit through that shit
if you have something else.
Or they fucking love it.
Or they fucking love it.
Or you murder out in Omaha.
No, but I think that's,
but it's interesting,
the black Twitterverse
and stealing jokes is wild.
I think there's no doubt about it in my mind
that that'll take over comedy
within the next five years.
Do you think there ever will be
a black late night host?
Yeah, there's one now.
You know what I mean on the prime,
on the main networks,
on ABC, NBC, CBS.
I bet Money Charlamagne
will get a show on prime time.
You think so?
Yeah.
They're queuing him up.
He's on Colbert literally like every month.
Who's the black dude now that's on?
You're talking about Yeah but
I mean on prime time television
I mean on like ABC
NBC CBS
Right yeah
Cause Trevor on the
Comedy Central show
And that's not traditionally
A late night show
As much as that is
A political
Satire show
It's a comedy
It's a news parody
Right yeah yeah
But
But I don't know if
The medium itself is dying
Late night TV
And then the medium That is talking to Is not Black people don't give a fuck're ever The medium itself is dying Late night TV And then the medium that it's talking to is not
Black people don't give a fuck about late night TV because we weren't
You weren't raised on it
We weren't raised on it other than Arsenio
And Arsenio got lucky because all of his friends were the most famous
Did you like Arsenio?
I was too young
Do you like the idea of what Arsenio was to the black community?
No
What about Oprah?
No
Has there ever been a black TV host
that you're like,
that's actually kind of
more in line
with what I like?
This is my point.
There has not been,
so I'm older than you.
But I don't ever remember,
unless it was a comedy show,
unless it was like a,
like what Chappelle did.
Chappelle's show hosting
was probably the closest thing
to me caring about hosting.
That's what I mean.
Yeah.
But that could have been
just as much of a valid show. a reading rainbow okay and it was education
yeah yeah okay i like to learn but i wonder in my lifetime in our lifetime there'll be a black
late night house on hunt because because i argue that maybe it is dying a little bit late night
but there could be a resurgence if it's if it's opened up the right way and i'm not trying to
attack oh these is a marrow yeah but these is a marrow is such a that's again that's very meta if it's opened up the right way. And I'm not trying to attack. Oh, Desus and Mero.
Yeah, but Desus and Mero is such a,
that's, again, that's very meta,
and those guys are dope,
but their show is still for a very specific audience.
I'm saying take a original voiced non-white person,
put them on late night TV,
and let them run a show the way they would run the show.
And I wanna see.
I mean, let me put it this way.
When Johnny Carson did The Tonight Show,
in my opinion, the reason that he was so successful
and was such an icon is because Johnny kind of broke
a lot of these rules that were set up before him
by the other hosts of The Tonight Show.
He wasn't really standard.
He wasn't really typical and normal.
The only thing that was normal about him
was that he was smooth.
He was like this smooth cat who was easy going
and he made you look good all the time.
He was the closest thing to, I the time he was the closest thing to i
think conan's the closest thing to him at alleying right i mean conan's incredible i i in my opinion
he's probably the best he's to me he was always my favorite he was the most fun have you done
couch with him no never couch i only did the only i did couch on cordon and i did stand up on conan
you've done you did stand up on no late nights none
i thought you did for some reason no no but do you ever want to no no never no that was funny because i did it i did it once and i don't know if i would want to do it again not for the fact i have any
anything against it but like i just don't know if i want to do it i sent in a thing and they're in
uh you know jp and all the people like wanted me to do a late night of course and i sent it in
and they're like let's move this, this, this.
And I was like, no, nigga, what?
Yeah, they wanted to reshape the jokes.
They wanted to reshape the jokes, the ideas, what I was saying.
I was like, I came here to say this, though.
It's hard because I think the idea when we started in comedy, it was always like, get a late night set.
That's the thing.
And now, for a lot of people, late night sets are not their shit.
That's not their shit you know and so um i i just think like times have changed so much that now whatever's
happening with netflix and whatever's going on on the internet and trying to break these rules
and these grounds of what stand-up is i think that's that's you know predominantly going to
be the future for young comics to go they're not going to go i want a late night set they're going
to go you i want to be on that one show where they do that thing.
You just gotta get it where you fit it.
Everything's becoming so tribal.
Like, uh.
But it's almost a good thing, dude.
It's a great thing.
Because it used to be so narrow.
There was a funnel.
That only one or two get to get through a year.
Yeah, it was a weird funnel.
But now you find so many outlets like you,
I'm hyping you right now, Big Mouth on Netflix, right?
Thank you, thank you.
Yeah, yeah, I mean you're writing on that show yeah and
that's an incredible outlet for you to tell great comedy through an animated series and it doesn't
kind of curb you right you guys are allowed to say whatever the fuck you want if anybody's seen
the show it's a dope show you the the topic the exploration of sexuality is so funny and freeing
as a comedian to watch and probably to do because we all think of this shit we don't want to talk
about we it's just want to talk about it.
It's just uncomfortable to talk about sexuality
when you're a kid,
which by the way is my biggest opinion
about why the country is all fucked up right now.
We don't want to talk about
the social psychological sexuality of humans.
Sexuality, race.
We don't want to talk about it.
Gay shit.
We don't want to talk about it.
If we instill all these ideas,
I mean, it's a joke I tell, but it's like i grew i grew up with i grew up with trans kids from
seattle like in second or third grade motherfuckers were transitioning in second or third grade so i
don't really know did you ever feel like a weird world like you were left out no i was just doing
my shit you never felt you know okay there was a there was gay kids there was trans kids right
we bully them the same way how many black kids were in your school?
I fortunately bounced around to a lot of black neighborhoods,
so I never had to compromise myself that much,
but I knew how to finesse with white kids. Were any of the trans kids black?
No.
No, right.
That's a white thing.
Well, being trans is obviously, it comes with money.
I mean, I don't mean that.
You can say whatever you want.
But I'm saying all the kids that were trans,
they usually came from very rich households, and all the kids That were trans They usually came
From very rich households
And then the people
Who became trans
Later in life
Come from poorer households
Because
So trans at a young age
You think comes from wealth
And at a later age
Comes from their sexuality
Their choice
There's so much freedom
In liquid money
Yeah
There's so much more like
Yeah you run out of shit
Yeah
I was thinking about that
Fuck it I'm a girl now
I'm saying you probably are
I'm not gonna say What I'm saying you probably are.
I'm not going to say what you are inside yourself.
You get to just choose faster.
Bro.
Right.
Bro.
We get to do anything faster when you have money.
Yeah.
I was thinking about that the other day.
I was like, the way that one of my richest friends ever, his parents had more money than you could ever imagine.
And I noticed one day when I was walking through their house that they had a lot of things.
We didn't have a lot of things.
We never had things like like it would be like like a desk with like trinkets or like
ornamentation never had any of that things yeah and it always blew my mind because I remember
thinking yeah what does that cost like that's money I've never had the opportunity up until
now when I'm making my own money but as a kid and as a young adult I never thought about also buying
something I didn't need you know what I mean right like when you get money you have the ability to just buy
shit that you like art is ridiculous art art is the biggest joke in the world because you're like
you have so much money that you'll go i could buy this thing that i think is neat and then look at
it sometimes yeah sometimes yeah i'm washing dishes right just because i'm washing i just
now i'm like buying i'm just now buying art and i'm
just now like getting trinkets from my house and i was sitting there my homie's staying with me
right now and he was like why are you buying all this art why are you getting all these like little
things in your house i was like because of women yeah and i was like it's women and i was like oh
show that you're not just a blank to show that i'm not like because in my in my real life i would
have a couch a tv and a place to do push-ups sometimes when i'm mad right get yourself
get yourself a pull-up bar and that would be like my entire apartment that's every dude yeah but
like bitches need things to look at because their brains is small i i think women like shit in your
home because it lets them know that you have it together right because but why would that just i
have money yeah but see but that but but your monetary value means nothing to a woman if
you don't look organized if you don't look like you can compile it in a way that matters to them
then you're then you're confused and you're not in a good direction there's something deeper than
that what's the deeper thing of that there's something well women are women are nurturers
right women are these women love making a home that's instinctual i'm not being sexist that's
a real thing women have this nurture they love this
to nurture
and to grow
and to kind of
build something
internal
so I think
that is an innate
function that women
have that they like
to see that someone
can be organized
and together
and successful
like oh you put
your right foot forward
like oh dude
he took his off time
not to go kick it
with his friends
but he went and
go do some shit
for the house
that makes it look
presentable to strangers
I have a coffee table in my living room
and I have a bunch of magazines.
And every time women come over,
they go through the magazines.
What do you got?
Yeah, that's important.
I have two hip hop magazines.
The Source and XXL.
No, no, no.
Ebony?
Deep Cuts.
What is it?
It's like this, one of my friend's magazine
and it's like this Vince Staples one.
That's when it's called a zine
That's what we call a zine
In my generation
I don't
I can't
It's not something off the top
I'll show you that you know
And then there's one
That's like a National Geographic
Of like some Africa shit
That's dope
Just be like
Yo
And then there's one about like
Then I have like a script of Big Mouth
Ah
That
That I did not write
Right Right Right But that's good bait Just like Nigga I know who did this If it was you then I have like a script of Big Mouth that I did not write
right right right
but that's good bait
I know who did this
if I put my script on there that's corny
that's corny
you gotta have somebody else
I put my homegirl Emily Altman
Emily Altman's on there
so you can kind of brag a little bit
I got female writers in my room
that makes you more appealing
where do you get most of your dating done?
Is it online?
No, I think that's gross.
You're human.
You're human in a way.
Yeah, we're both out and about.
You're a family man, of course, but I'm out and about and I hang out with musicians and
shit.
Yep.
And so when you're a comedian around musicians, you just kind of do well.
Yeah, it clicks.
And I'm very patient when it comes to women.
When it comes to women.
Do you like to cipher through?
How many girls are on your call log right now?
I got a roster.
What are we talking?
How many?
Starting five?
I got a starting five.
That's good.
No more than five, otherwise you're taking on way too much.
I got a starting five and two are outside of Los Angeles.
Oh, right.
So two are playing overseas.
I got New York and I got London.
I just move it.
And then I got one that I'm like,
oh God, if you were just to be here,
I would kill all these people.
Would you ever think about flying this girl here
to be here?
No.
No.
Because she doesn't like that.
Oh, she doesn't want to be here.
Yes, I would.
If I'm like,
I'm going to fly you out to LA.
Are you going to spend a weekend with me?
She's like, no, I'm good.
Nah.
I'm not like that Yeah
And that makes me like
That's when you like them way more
Right
But if a girl is like
Hey can I come over right now
Do you wanna hang out
Do you wanna see a movie
Do you wanna get food
I like you
That pisses me the fuck off bro
Yeah you're over it
This is a story
And I
There's no way she's gonna fucking watch this
I was
I just got out of a relationship
I told you that
Like a couple months ago
Yeah yeah yeah
And I was doing the whole rebound girl
Run through a bunch of bitches thing And I was talking to this couple months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was doing the whole rebound girl, run through a bunch of bitches thing.
And I was talking to this one girl, and she was just very pretty.
And I was like doing the thing with her.
And she was like, here's the thing about when women don't want to be a rebound.
They know they're the rebound.
And they're just like, eh, I like fucking him.
He's a cool dude.
I'm going to hang around.
And you say, hey, I'm not really looking for anything.
And then two weeks later, they you said That I'm not looking
For anything
And so she was just
Well cause two weeks
Is enough time
That they think
Maybe that you might be
Are you ready to open up
Something again
Nah I'm fucking
Yeah
Nah but that's what
You need to say
Nah I'm fucking
Nah I'm fucking
And so
Dear Jack
Do you wanna hang
Do you wanna really get deep
On this relationship
Nah I'm fucking
And so this is
True story We were like she kept being
like oh i could be friends with your ex-girlfriend if you want me to or oh i can i like i heard that
you're out with zach and i can like come out with you like she kept trying to like put her position
herself right into my life right i missed her like no you're good we're chilling we're chilling we're
chilling yeah and we fucking one time and then she like we're going at it and it was fine and
great and we're doing the fuck we were doing and she like, we're going at it. And it was fine and great.
And we're doing the fuck we were doing.
And she just stops in the middle of it and holds my chest.
And she goes, Jack, what do you really think of me?
Oh my.
In the middle of fucking?
My dick is inside of her.
No condom.
Oh my God.
That's the first thing you should have said out of your mouth.
My dick is inside you.
No condom.
And so, no, my first thing was like, it seems like you want to talk.
She did.
And I go, And I try to like
Pull myself out
And she's like
No no no
Keep going
Keep going
No
Cause she knew
It looked crazy
Right
So she was like
Oh I can realize
That Jack thinks I'm crazy
I'm gonna
I mean
Yeah having a full on chat
While we're having sex
Is very unusual
And so I
I'm Mr. Like
I ain't gonna slow the stroke down
We gonna keep it going then
Let me smash this up real quick
Yeah so I keep going
I go like five more
Six more strokes
And she goes
No like but for real I'm like Oh this this up real quick. Yeah, so I go like five more, six more strokes. And she goes, no, but for real.
I'm like, oh, this is a thing.
Oh, my God.
And so I'm just annoyed and petty.
So I go out to the living room, butt ass naked.
And I'm like, come on, Harry, we'll talk about it.
And I just turn on The Shining.
Do you have The Shining available, Ruffin?
I just went to Netflix.
I wanted to watch it.
I turn on The Shining.
And I just play The Shining.
I just go sit down.
And she's like, you want to talk? I'm like, no, no, we're going to watch The Shining. We're going to watch The Shining. We're going turned on The Shining And I just played The Shining I just go sit down And I just
And she's like
You wanna talk
No no
We gonna watch The Shining
We're gonna watch The Shining
We're gonna watch The Shining
And I made her watch
That's great therapy
And I made her watch The Shining
And then she left
In the middle of The Shining
She didn't finish it
She didn't finish it
No way
And then she texted me
She was like
I think we should take a break
I'm like
K
K
K
Cause it's like
Sure
There's some people
People
Women think that you owe them the full explanation
It's like no I owe my girl the full explanation
I owe my mom the full explanation
I owe my homegirl the full explanation
We just fucking shorty
Don't make you a part of these plethora of women
These are top shelf women in my life
They deserve the full
What do you think she really wanted to hear?
What do you think she really wanted to hear? What do you think She really wanted to hear?
She wanted me to
To be her man
She wanted to
Go to things with her
Go to fashion things
With her
She worked in fashion
She wanted me to
Go to fashion things
With her
And she wanted to
Like get me out of my hole
And do the whole thing
And it's like
When
Women are like
Like ADD
When they don't get to
Finish a project
With a man
Like if there was a
We're all projects too Right you're undone I'm undone And the fact that't get to finish a project With a man We're all projects too
You're undone
I'm undone
And the fact that she couldn't finish my project
That means I'm just an ain't shit nigga
Is that your twitter handle?
Ain't shit nigga
I'm gonna change it
If they personally can't change you
That means you're an ain't shit nigga
No you just might not have the tools
There's another woman out there that could but also there's a plenty there's plenty of
mature smart dope girls that know that they know they know that they can differentiate yeah that
thing is not the way to do anything you can't be someone and ask to have a real serious
conversation unless you're my wife or my or my or my girl let me tell you you know and then it's
like oh well we'll have a long-term conversation. Women don't move like that.
Whatever they are, they is.
Yeah, that's true.
Whatever they are, they is. Look, if my wife ever stopped fucking to have a conversation, I would stop.
If she goes, can we talk?
I would say three words.
You know better.
You know better.
I mean, come on.
But she would also,
but the truth of the matter is
when you find a wonderful woman
that knows that your balance of relationships,
then all that stuff kind of comes at the right time.
That was that girl being foolish.
There's no excuse for that kind of shit.
The only time we should say something serious
when we're having sex
is if you are uncomfortable
and you don't want to do this shit anymore.
Or if perhaps something emergency has happened.
Some emergency happened.
If it was like, hey, I just shit myself.
Like, okay, let's have a real talk.
Hey, my boyfriend's coming home.
Get up.
Have you ever been caught with a girl while another dude came home?
I've been caught with a girl with a man on the way.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Phone kept ringing.
Phone kept ringing Phone kept ringing
And then the garage
And you knew he was coming
No the garage opened
What
And you just hear the room
She's like
The garage opening
What did you jump out
The fucking window
No it was enough time
For me to get out the door
That's like Biggie's song
You know
Which one
Oh god what is it
The tin cracker mammoth
No no no
No come on man
I'm not that white
That would be great
No no no
That's like the Biggie song
Where he's talking about
Fucking Sit down I got a story to tell i got a story to
tell isn't that what it is yeah she fucking with dude from the new york knicks and he came home he
comes home and uh he he fucking get the ski mask and he puts the heat on him and then he makes him
rob he robs the dude and fucks his girl that's like maybe one of my favorites so i remember
listening to that story and being like god i don't don't like it. He didn't do it, but it was like wild to think
about. Have you partaken in
being a side nigga? I've never
had anything like that be my thing.
I've never, because you know what? It's trash.
But you know what? I'm not a fan. I will be on
the evening news as the cat who
called out the window and fell. You know what I mean?
I'm that guy. Pure white booty cheeks on the fucking ledge.
My white orange ass on the ledge dangling.
And the dude is waiting for me to fall just to break my neck again. I don't want to do that shit. That it's just your pure white booty cheeks on the fucking ledge. Yeah, my white orange ass on the ledge dangling. And the dude is waiting
for me to fall
just to break my neck again.
Like, I don't want to do that shit.
That's not on me.
But I will tell you,
the fear,
the phrase the fear,
you know what this is?
The fear in sex?
This is something I learned
really recently.
The fear is something
that is so powerful
and driving.
It's such a driving force.
It's remarkably why
a lot of people cheat that don't even want to cheat. It's why people do weird. It's remarkably why a lot of people cheat
that don't even want to cheat.
It's why people do weird shit
because of the fear.
So there's this thing like
The fear of?
The fear in general, right?
So sex and fear
have these similar things
that happen in our brain, right?
Like the sexual drive
and the fear of something
negative happening
or the fear in general
of something going awry
is what drives us.
It's the same kind of drives
for emotion.
Does that also go in love
Yeah a little bit, but I mean like it's more like it's it's more about lust than love more than anything else right here Here's a good example. You ever you ever choke you ever choke a girl you ever had a girl choke with permission, okay, right?
Can I just choke you make me a joke oh sorry left or right
But I never asked, by the way.
Women just go to choke.
I've had my whole hair ripped out of my fucking head.
Yeah, they think you can handle it.
Nothing been asked.
Yeah, it's rude.
It's rude.
It's rude, right?
Knock on the door.
Knock on my forehead and say, can I pull your hair?
Give me a little kiss on the forehead before you rip my fucking hair out of my head.
No, but the fear of death, right?
I've talked to many young women, friends of mine, who have said that the reason that they like choking specifically is because of a little bit of a fear.
It's almost like an overpowering.
You're overpowering.
You're a man.
There's a good chance you could probably choke her out and kill her.
You won't, but she's hoping you don't.
But there's the fear that you might.
That's hot.
It's very hot.
For those women that like it.
I'm not saying all fucking women.
I've been there, but it's like for the experiences I've had, it's closer towards the orgasm.
Sure.
You get in the rhythm, she's in the rhythm, and then you fucking put that shit right in her throat.
You ever stick a finger in the booty?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But do they freak out?
You ever have when they freak out?
No, they like it every time.
Isn't that funny?
Why don't we all admit that we like that shit?
It's timing.
Yeah.
Men have garbage timing.
Yeah, men have garbage timing.
And then women tell the world why women are like oh men come fast
or oh men this that
it's like
because a lot of men
have shit timing
men have shit timing
it's also why
a lot of women
not a lot of women
my thumb will go
in your booty
you don't even know
it's been there
until it's in there
yep
until we're done
and then I gotta pop it out
before you step away
wait that's why that did that
men do have shit timing
that's why like you heard I remember hearing how often they are men are well we're just like, wait, that's why that did that? Men do have shit timing. That's why, like you heard, I remember hearing how often they are.
Men are very.
Well, we're also like, men are so bad at foreplay because men just want to fuck so bad.
So like a lot of men that don't want to go down on women or they go down for like 40 seconds.
It's because men are such bags of horny shit that they don't think maybe I should focus on this before I get.
Maybe I should let her eat before I fucking gorge
because I eat way more food than she does.
Right, right.
Maybe I should just fucking share a little bit.
But I think as men get older, that goes away.
It's just when you're young, you don't get it.
You don't fucking get it.
But this is my,
as a young nigga who still feels exactly what you're saying,
nut, nut, nut.
Nut.
Be a real nigga stay awake
be like you know
that was just
me figuring it out
that's why I always say
stage one
I always say
I had to figure out
the pussy right quick
give me like five more minutes
if you nut too fast
you gotta make a little excuse
you gotta do a thing
but a lot of men just like
I gotcha
and then get out
no
no no no
I always go two to one.
Yeah.
They come twice.
I come once.
I'm out.
That's sweet.
Two to one.
How old are you?
25.
At 25.
I grew up with all women though.
At 25, how many times can you fuck in one night?
Now?
You like a girl, right?
Let's say you like a girl.
She comes over.
You're hanging out.
Is she good at it?
She's fantastic.
Oh, four.
If she's not good?
Two.
But you always do two?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't like. There comes a breaking point. Two. But you always do two. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like.
There comes a breaking point.
It's a transaction, my nigga.
Yeah, but there comes a number in your life when oftentimes two is a lot.
I'm sure.
Two becomes a lot.
And hopefully at that time I have a wife.
That's right.
But even still, you love it.
Yeah.
But it's even like, I remember feeling, I remember being like 24, 25.
And I remember thinking, I could fuck for 12 hours straight.
Yes.
I wouldn't even need water.
But now I'm getting older, I need water.
Like, I need fluids.
I can feel myself cramping.
My knees hurt now.
This is new.
Do you ever cramp when you fuck?
I drink a lot of water.
I do.
I cramp.
I've had two calf cramps fucking.
It's the most embarrassing shit.
You're like, I'm sealing out, and my dick goes soft immediately because my calves just tighten up.
And I know they're cramping because I didn't drink enough water.
Haven't had enough sleep.
And that's the problem.
You get a ride to dick until you see back to normal.
I know.
I got to get.
I know.
You got to flip them.
I know.
I know.
I know.
You know the trick.
We've been trying a bunch of new shit, though.
We've been trying a lot of new positions.
I was messing.
One of the rosters, my power forward, is a 266, 280 pounds from Detroit, Michigan.
Your power forward.
Yeah, she's 34, and her knees pop.
And there was this one funny-ass night where I was sitting on the bed, and she was like,
oh, I'm trying to blow you.
I'm like, oh, tight.
And she gets down on her knees, and both her knees pop as she's pulling my pants down.
And she stops.
And she goes, should I stand back up?
I'm like, no, I didn't hear it.
But I clearly did because I'm making mention of it.
I'm making mention of it.
But I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.
I didn't know what happened.
But watching her be embarrassed about it is like, when men get cramps, it's like, women
get, our bodies is breaking down the same way your body's breaking down.
Don't be embarrassed.
We're just doing more shit.
If a girl farts while you're fucking, are you good?
I don't give a fuck.
Yeah, see, I love that about you.
I've had a bitch take a full shit.
In the middle of fucking?
Yeah.
She's like, hold on, hold on, hold on.
You better make me shit.
And then went to the bathroom and shit and came back?
Went to the bathroom and shit, came back.
Maybe that's because the dick was so good you made her shit.
I know what it was.
Yeah, you know exactly what it was.
But to rewind back to what we were talking about earlier,
it's like I don't know how men or women can be a part of infidelity
and just go to bed.
And go back to sleep.
I don't have that heart.
Right.
I truly don't have that.
Did you almost get caught by the guy?
No, I made it out.
And I never talked to her again.
I was very mad at her
I didn't like
Do you imagine she talked to him
About me
Yeah
No
I'm sure she just brings it
A new nigga
And does it again
I'm pretty sure
They're married
It's a rotating door
Yeah I'm pretty sure
They're married
She was very slick and charming
She was smooth about it
Smooth as a motherfucker bro
Let me ask you
Producer's wife
I want to know more
About your youth
When was the first time
You got liquored up
That's something I talk To everybody about When was the first time you got liquored up? That's something I talk to everybody about.
When was the first time you got drunk?
My grandpa at 14.
Your grandpa, and you were 14 years old.
My grandpa and my great uncle took me to Red Lobster,
and they brought their own bottle and their jacket.
It was like this whiskey.
No, it was cognac. I forgot what the name of the cognac is. It doesn't matter, it was like this whiskey, no,
it was cognac.
I forgot what the name
of the cognac is.
It doesn't matter.
It was like some
old black man,
sweet old black man
cognac
and they kept pouring it.
That's a new brand,
by the way,
old black man cognac.
Old black man cognac.
And it's just,
all old black man cognac
is just ashy skin cells
falling into a cup.
And then the cigar smoke
just fucking bloated.
There they go. There they go. there they go every day they go yeah
i'm about to call mashallah ali right now we want to get this shit popping boy that's like my buddy
uh ep his dad his dad is uh he's from the deep south and his dad owned a a little restaurant
and it was customary for him to always serve pie like after your meal yeah yeah and that was his
his sweet potato is probably the most common his outgoing phrase was always you want your pie it was customary for him to always serve pie, like after your meal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Sweet potato, whatever.
Yeah, sweet potato is probably the most common.
His outgoing phrase was always,
you want your pie?
That was always the go-to.
You want your pie?
But it came so, it would over time come,
and now it's, you want pie?
You know what I mean?
Only locals know, pie.
It is a pie.
That's all it is.
I would love to talk About the South of course
But
There's
I was on the road recently
With my homie Zach Fox
And we were just like
Every
It was like one of those
Beautiful times where
Big Mouth was popping
And like people had
It is popping
It's still going
Yeah of course
But like people came out
To see me
This is my first time
In my career
Where that actually
Kind of happened for me
Where people came out
Just because they knew
Who you were
Instead of just being like
Let's go see a comedic show
Tonight Yeah and that was like a thing I was like oh fuck This is weird That's great It's weird You know when it first where that actually kind of happened for me. Where people came out just because they knew who you were. Instead of just being like, let's go see a comedic show tonight.
Yeah, and that was like a thing.
I was like, oh, fuck, this is weird.
That's great.
It's weird.
When it first happens, you're just like,
this is fucking, y'all got out your house?
Yeah, they paid.
And put a jacket on?
Paid to see you.
And got your girl.
That's crazy.
Wow, got a babysitter?
Yeah, me and Zach did the whole tour of it.
It was sold out.
And there was little rooms like Union Hall and shit.
Sure.
Yeah.
And there was this one girl at, there was one dude at Union Hall and shit Sure Yeah And there was this one girl
There was one dude at Union Hall
And he was very very nice
And he was just like
I remember you at
Anderwein's house party
Dope
And I remember you
On the Comedy School 30
And at midnight
And I've been following your career
This whole time
I'm very happy to finally
See you and meet you
I'm like this is
And I'm Mr. like
Dude this is fucking great
Give me a hug
I love that you're
Fucking talking to me right now
And then like his friends were there
And there was a girl That was kind of giving me the eye i was like
oh okay whatever that's a girl give me the eye and he's like come on come to my party after this and
zach told me like oh i already know that party we're gonna go afterwards we go to the party
uh he's not there yet the girl that he was that was giving me the eye was there
and she was like you know we kind of start dancing we start talking we start drinking
she was like oh come in the bathroom and i'll do coke So she was like Just come to the bathroom with me
I was like
Oh I'm gonna watch you do coke
And hopefully
Like we make out
Yeah maybe I'll get my dick touched
She full blown
Sucked the nigga dick
In the bathroom
Coke dick
Coke dick
It was like
Right away
Yeah
And there's a piece of me
I'm like
I'm getting my dick
Sucked in the bathroom
I need to get my life together
That sounds great
Where else is it supposed to happen
Right right
And you know it's New York
They don't care if your dick
Gets sucked in the bathroom
Nah man
New York is for coke
And dick sucking
And I'm just like
This is tight
I'm on tour
But then I leave
And go back downstairs
And bro shows up
And he's like
Oh my god
You really came to the party
Dude you gotta meet my girlfriend
Shorty came out after me
At the party
It was her
I met your girlfriend bro
My dick was in her throat
I met her
So Zach's standing behind them
And I'm standing
Looking at him And looking at her And then they start making out and then she turns
and after they make out she turns and looks at me and goes oh god and I'm just like I don't like
this I don't like this at all and like I start thinking back to future and young thug and Migos
and all these rappers I think talk about him like, you're bad people.
You're bad guys.
It would be great if right after she did that and he goes, I like that to you.
And then you walk up to him, you shake his hand, you go, it was great meeting you, man.
How'd that dick taste?
I think that's so fucking weird.
Maybe that's her thing.
Maybe that's his thing.
You don't know.
He could have been like, hey, I want you to go suck. That motherfucker was like 22, 23.
He doesn't know.
He doesn't know.
He doesn't know.
Yeah, well, maybe he does.
Maybe he does and you never fucking know.
You guys had fun on tour though?
Are you going back on tour in 2019?
I'm working on a bunch of shows and so I just want to make a thing now.
You guys want to make a thing?
I just want to make a thing.
What do you do this Christmas?
Do you go back up north or what do you do?
No, I went for Thanksgiving and now I'm working on a cartoon and I'm working on a show
and I'm just like
trying to make sure
all the work is done
because you know
everybody shuts down in this city.
But you're not going to shut down?
I'm just going to make sure
everything's done.
That's dope, man.
I just want to go
and I'm making like
a lot of premises
and I just want to like
because you know how
at the beginning of the year
everyone's New Year's resolution
is to be a comic
and everyone's New Year's resolution
is to go see comedy.
So I love to be prepared
for January, February.
There should be a lot of comics resolution to quit.
You know what I mean?
More people should be quitting.
More people should be quitting a lot of things
that they're trying to do.
A lot of people are quitting.
Great, get out.
It makes me so...
Get the fuck out.
You know what I was talking about the other day
and I think you fucking agree with this?
I think that comedy in the entertainment business
values niceness so much that it allows
people who are annoying and dumb to run over you.
Oh, big time.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Are you kidding me?
And now I'm not even, in the regular world, I'm not considered mean.
In the entertainment industry, I'm considered mean.
Well, how is that?
Is that because you think that or because someone said that to you?
Because people say that to me.
Because if you walk up to me And you say some dumb shit
Like say you and me
In a conversation
This is a comedy story
We can use a comedy story
As an example
We'll be having a full
Face to face
Looking eye to eye conversation
And motherfuckers will come
And people will just come
And grab you by your arm
And turn you into
A whole nother conversation
Like that ain't rude as fuck
Right
And so I'm Mr.
Nigga what the fuck
Are you doing you corny
And I'll make fun of you
In public in front of everybody.
Yeah, because what they did was rude.
But then they'll run with that and it'll go here, here, here, here, here.
And you're the bad guy because they did some rude shit.
But because they know that reputation matters so much in this industry, they can just be rude.
Yeah.
It's so crazy.
That is funny.
People are allowed to be rude when they meet someone that they're a fan of because if they don't get in return what they want, then you're the bad guy.
How come you didn't stop and say hi to me, man? I've got to go. Oh, okay, too big? Well, no, man. I'm also a human. I have a full-on life.
Life without you, bro.
Yeah, that's crazy.
It's insane. actually this happened to me tonight and you know it's just he didn't people don't mean this but sometimes when people say hi to me or they recognize me they'll say something and you and
usually it's cool most of the time people are so cool most of my fans that say what's up are cool
but i think some people get uncomfortable when it's time to leave like it's time to leave like
you know you they want that moment to last longer yeah it's a little weird and sometimes people
people don't know how to exit the best way to exit is just to go all right man take it easy or peace
or later or see ya
or whatever the fuck you say
to other humans.
But people do this sometimes.
They'll go,
all right, man,
well, good luck.
And you're like,
no, I don't need luck, dude.
This is it.
You know how you recognize me?
It's because I didn't
fucking need the luck.
What the fuck?
Good luck is such a weird,
it's such a backhanded compliment.
I know they never mean it that way, but it feels so weird when someone says good luck.
It's almost like saying, well, I know you're struggling.
It's like, no, bro.
I'm fine.
And you want to be a dick.
Yeah.
And be like, bro, but don't wish me luck.
That's a weird, it's such a cheap, weird thing to wish.
You wish someone luck when they're about to fight.
Like, hey, if you're going off to war, I'd be like, good luck.
Yeah.
Don't die.
They don't know yet.
Yeah.
Don't wish me luck when you already know that I've done the thing that you like and i'll hopefully continue
to do the thing but it's like luck is a weird thing to say good what you're trying to say i
also don't believe in luck i don't believe in luck but like to say good luck what they're doing
is like you crawled into the trenches into the trenches in in syria right you're just like hey
man good luck it's like bro oh! There's a drone over us.
Can you shut up?
Don't good luck me, bro.
I think the best way to say what's up to somebody
always is, hey, I like your shit.
Here's what I kind of like about you.
Can I get a picture maybe or whatever?
That's straight.
And then be like, all right, man, thanks for the time.
And most people are cool like that.
I think because of how, like, dude,
what I've seen in the past couple of years,
which is crazy, is people are so connected to you, they can get access to you right now.
They have you right now.
And the engagement with fans has grown and grown and grown and grown.
It used to be like, nah, I don't really have time for any of that stuff.
Now, if you don't have time to say what's up to fans, they're gone.
They'll leave.
They want to know that they can be like, hey, man, I love this about you.
I love this thing you don't have to say yes or hi to everything and everybody but well i think it's i think it's
strange now that people are so connected they can get with social media we've literally become
people's imaginary friends yeah we've literally become like that's why sometimes they think it's
more than that sometimes that you're like no i i i get that i know him i know i'm friends with jack
yeah and it's like because that's why I don't tweet like that.
Because it's like, especially when you're not a, not to be this guy, but like when you're
not like a white dude and there's not like a bunch of things, there's not a bunch of
y'all.
There's not that many weird, cool, like in my pocket type of black dudes that are on
the.
Who is the other young black dude that's in a category with you?
If it's a casting session. Bring out the cool young black dude that's in a category with you? If it's a casting session.
Bring out the cool young black dudes.
I mean, there's very many actors that are way better and more cool.
No, but I'm saying, who do you go in with?
Who would you be in the room with?
That you would know?
That the people would know?
Sure.
Who's always with me?
It'll always be internet dudes.
Internet dudes.
Internet dudes are always there.
Who's internet dudes?
Like Batch King Batch? It'll always be internet dudes Internet dudes Internet dudes are always there Who's internet dudes? Like Like
Jahan
Like Batch
King Batch
The Batches
The John
Jahan Jones
I'm drawing a blank
I'm sorry
I feel very rude
Oh come on
I'm sorry
What's your
The black community is going to be so mad about this shit
Very mad
What's your
What is your
What's your
Opinion of
Lil Duval He's he's great he's great
i love him is that funny because i i like i was curious to know because it's like he he reaches
so many fucking groups of people right like he's not just he's he's the epitome of light he's
everything he's everything people think he's funny they think he's entertaining they think he's he
think he's smart they think he's mean they think like i i've never seen
somebody's you always leave with an with an emotion yes and an emotion right and that's what
blown away that's what this generation is right well that's he kind of encompasses that but
ironically enough he's much older than most of the people he appeals to like 44 45 isn't that wild
but he looks so young i think i think song, I'm Living My Best Life,
is maybe one of my favorites.
Ain't going back
and forth with you niggas.
I needed you to say that.
Thank you.
I'm not gonna say it.
I got you.
I got you.
I know what you're
accusing me of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Smile, bitch.
I think it's such a funny
fucking great song
because it's like
everybody feels that way.
Regardless of your race.
No.
I feel the exact same way.
I'm not going back and forth
with you motherfuckers.
That's the exact same way that we all feel. It forth With you motherfuckers Like that's the exact same way
That we all feel
It was a beautiful song
Oh it makes perfect sense
And this is why
Like I never
I never like
I never
Care about
What's popping now
What's popping later
Right
Lil Duval had
One of the best
Comic view sets of all time
Right
And he's a hilarious comedian
And then disappeared
Not disappeared
But like disappeared
Quote unquote
Right
And then came back
In resurgence
Right
This is like
All you gotta do
Is make sure you happy
You traveling
You staying smart
You doing this
Motherfucking thing
And you making good art
That's why I was like
Right
When I see all the internet shit
When I see all the internet dudes
In the lobby
And they're like
Making money now
I'm like
Cool cool cool cool cool
But I wanna make
Always Sunny
Right
That's what I wanna do
Do you get
Do you get hated on
On the internet
Do you get thrown shade on the internet?
It's not like that for you.
No one shits on you online.
No.
That's great.
Everyone's pretty like,
either they don't know
or they're like,
that nigga's doing his own thing.
Right.
You don't get bothered.
No.
Is there somebody that bothers the shit out of you
in your community
that you're like,
I'm so tired of this?
Yes.
Go ahead.
If you can't say it,
you can't say it. you can't say it.
I understand.
I can't say it.
I can't say it.
But there's a comedian.
We'll talk about it offline.
There literally is.
Offline.
I'll say this.
There's a lot of comedians who just say memes as jokes.
And it's like, don't treat.
Audiences are the sheep.
And we're the shepherds.
Whatever you tease the sheep, other shepherds got to deal with.
Right. So if you up there being a hack and you just doing memes and you just up there ruining
the black community and making us feel stupider and just because you want to get the bag right
quick you making brilliant black comedians jobs so much harder because they want to come because
now the crowd's coming in like i want to hear the thing i already know right and it's like bro
don't ruin art just because you garbage go do another thing who do you think is the best leader
in black comedy right now che yeah michael che michael che yeah michael che sam jay
do you think che do when you say that are you making reference more to his online stand-up
or his and his and his late night because to me all three are important to me
his Instagram is the best thing he does
see I think
I think
right
because it's the most free
but I think
what he's able to do
on SNL
to me
is
probably some of my favorite shit
I've ever seen
because all white women
Meg's
it's great
beautiful
but also he says
he says
funny
questionable shit
that doesn't always land with the crowd because it's sharp and sometimes it's mean.
But it's out there though.
But I love that.
It's supposed to be out there.
It's the same way that Norm MacDonald was when he was on the show.
And honestly, man, I'm such a Norm fan.
Norm did the same shit.
Norm said jokes that he knew were funny and so did everybody else.
Bro went crazy on OJ.
But sometimes.
There's a whole reel of norms oj
shit that's why he got fired because he wouldn't stop talking about fucking oj but i mean like he
he made sure that it was like if it's funny it's funny it doesn't matter yeah and and if i'm gonna
say something about it i'm gonna say something yeah che does the exact same thing and i think
that's like it's gonna all circle around i'm not really fearful of of that type like uh i was
talking to this nigga in in new york was like, oh, how do you deal with
everyone kind of low-key
hating you?
Do they?
Yeah.
Really?
Not everyone,
but like the Megs.
A lot of the Megs don't like it.
And the blogs
and the fucking,
the articles.
Yeah.
It really keeps this thing all alive.
But that's what happens
when you're on NBC.
That's what happens
when you're on a network show.
You think?
Well, yeah, man. they love Kate McKinnon they
love Addie Bryant they love all these other white women yeah but they don't
but okay but but but like Michael Che pushes the envelope on purpose these
other people don't push the envelope like that I mean I'm not take
discrediting their work I'm just saying like Che says things that he knows is
gonna get a rise yeah but like the things that he knows is going to get a rise.
Yeah, but the thing that he says, my frustration is coming from the thing that Che questions,
the thing that Che is attacking is patriarchy, and that's what you guys kind of champion.
Well, that's what they are about too.
Yeah, so it's like just because he's attacking your patriarchy doesn't mean he's not attacking patriarchy in general.
It's because they're white though.
Yeah, but it's like if someone attacks black male patriarchy, I mean he's not attacking patriarchy in general right it's cause they're white though yeah but it's like
if someone attacks
black male patriarchy
I'ma still laugh
there's a lot of
black female comedians
and a lot of women
there's a lot of gay comics
that'll go up there
like black men do this
and that's trash
and I'll laugh at the shit
right
cause I know we
be doing trash shit
but white women have this
holier than thou thing
that they ain't never done
no trash shit
it's crazy
right of course
yeah it's crazy everyone's done trash shit yeah literally everybody i think
white women are genuinely the only group of people on earth gay people take their l's trans people
take their l's white men take their l's they you know tiki torch it out after a while but they take
their l's everybody takes the l but white women are like, no, we're perfect. And it's crazy.
They're literally like, we ain't done nothing.
I think that's the solution for all this bullshit to be real is that everyone needs to admit that we're flawed as fuck.
I mean, there's an article out that's out right now.
I'm going to send to you after this.
That's about some of the biggest leaders of the women's movement, of the women's march that are now getting.
Me dude.
Well, they're getting looked into for some bullshit for some anti like some fucking racist ass what's the anti-semitic used
to be with uh not what's uh anthony bourdain oh dude i know come on man that whole thing crazy
that whole thing i broke up in a hotel with joe rogan in chicago and he texted me he said
wait wait wait wait huh say that sentence again
huh say that sentence again separate rooms
separate rooms dog
say that sentence again
come on man he's too rich
to share rooms
I wanted to snuggle bro
but no
not at all
you're shining his bald head
and you just woke up
you're like
Joe look at this
he was making me shave his toes
and he was
no
no but he
but he texted me
hit me in the room
and was like
you won't believe this
Bourdain killed himself
and then we had
a forever conversation
about that whole thing
about
and I don't want to get
into fucking that
and feed into Hirsch bullshit but man, what a fucking scam.
What a bad person.
What a scam.
What a scam.
What a beautiful soul that she was attached to, but what a bad person.
That she ruined?
A dude that she ruined?
I mean, that was him.
You know what that's like?
That's like he was like a perfect cut of meat.
You know what I mean?
He was the perfect cut of meat.
And then she left us with like a sizzler.
You know what I mean? Yes. It's like that's what you did to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had a perfect cut of meat and know what i mean he was the perfect cut of meat and then she left us with like a sizzler you know what i mean yes it's like that's what you did to us yeah you had a perfect cut of meat and you gave us some bullshit i'm very gave me a skirt steak i'm very desensitized
from death from like personal experience but like the only feel i had a lot of people die
yeah seattle's more suicide than like killing killed but like i have a lot of friends who like
killed themselves same in your personal family have you had a lot of people die i've had a lot
of people more get killed in my family and more friends been killed by killed themselves. Same. In your personal family, have you had a lot of people die? I've had a lot of people get killed in my family
and more with friends
that killed themselves.
Damn.
And so like,
I'm very desensitized.
I think it's funny.
I think death's very funny.
Can be.
And people don't really
fuck with that as much.
But the two deaths this year
that like kind of like,
I was like,
bro,
if they can't do it,
I can't.
Let me guess.
Anthony Bourdain and Mac Miller.
Oh, I was gonna say Mac Miller, yeah.
Both of them motherfuckers. I met him. Rocked me. I knowourdain and Mac Miller. Oh, I was going to say Mac Miller, yeah. Both of them motherfuckers.
I met him.
Rocked me.
I know.
I liked him a lot.
Rocked.
He came to the comedy store one night.
Did he?
He was there with Chance the Rapper's little brother.
I was doing the 12 o'clock spot.
And it was one of those beautiful nights where it went like, you, then him, then Eleanor,
then me, and we're all on fire.
And it was packed as fuck until like fucking 2 a.m. in the morning.
It was one of those beautiful comedy star nights that I will tell my children about.
Hopefully he'll remember that shit forever.
Hopefully he knows that.
He was cracking the fuck up the entire night.
Someone tapped me, they're like, yo, Mac Miller here.
I'm like, I'm about to sauce.
I'm like, I'm about to fucking sauce.
I know friends that know of him.
It's like weird circles.
He came up to me and we drank all night.
This is one of the things he always kept talking about he kept talking about groucho marks uh-huh he kept talking about uh mel black but uh saying it's like mel brooks no mel the
dude who made looney tunes oh oh oh um uh black black or black black i don't know i'm drawing
a blank on it uh i'm trying to blank. Joan Rivers. Yeah. Penny.
Jesus Christ.
Penny.
And we just talked about old comedy the entire night.
Wow.
Yeah.
He knows all of it.
Yeah, no.
Well, I can tell you.
Baby's Kids.
We talked about all that shit. He was a big comedy fan.
I met him.
We did Punk'd and he was one of the hosts that came along and glommed onto us a lot
in a good way.
Positive.
He loved our energy.
Me and this other kid, Nick.
And, man, he was so much fun to fuck with and to fuck around with because he was down.
He just was really into it.
A lot of the best hosts that we had back when I did Punk'd, many a moon ago.
Many a moon.
It was, bro.
But the people that liked us the most, that we liked the most, they were fans of comedy.
They loved comedy, you know?
It's a beautiful art.
And I was nothing back then.
I was bullshit.
He was great, man. I got nothing but good things to say about that kid
except for the fact that it's a fucking...
It just makes me annoyed and sick that people die from drugs
when they're young because it's bullshit.
But he didn't... It was fentanyl.
Yeah, that shit's
fucked. It should be in nobody's hands.
It's a garbage cut of cocaine.
It should be in nobody's hands.
That shit shouldn't be out of the world.
It's crazy that it's in it.
I don't know what it does, necessarily.
I'm not that well-versed with...
What fentanyl is?
Yeah.
Well, first of all, it's pharmaceutically made, so it's regimented.
It's legally made.
They know what they're doing.
Of course they do, man.
What do you mean?
They gave the black community HIV.
We'll be right back after this, Chris.
I did a joke on Chocolate sundae oh and uh and chocolate sundae
for those that don't know is the name of a show at a club here in Hollywood and it's chocolate
sundaes because it's sunday night and chocolate because black people everybody's black but it's
a very very fun show it's one it's a phenomenal show I would say one of the best shows Ron that's
where I met Ron G one of the best shows In the fucking city
And one of the jokes I told
I think that it's very funny
That the karma has happened
That we've gone
From the crack epidemic
To the opioid epidemic
And how like
The
How the opioid epidemic
All kind of
Coralined with the
Hip hop
And how hip hop
Went from a thing where
Hip hop came out
Of the crack epidemic
And now led to
The biggest artist in the world
Telling white kids to do opioids
Yeah that's wild
And it's like
Take pills
That's karma bitch
We got you back
That's payback
Yeah that's what I was
As I was saying
Everything circles
Everything fucking circles around
And so that's why
It was
It sucked that my joke
Worked against
One of my favorite white musicians
That did suck
But the joke is good
Because the joke is good
Because it's true
Here's what's so funny.
Half a million views, baby.
Go check it out.
Pump it.
The hip hop that was birthed in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s, the growth of hip hop
then was kind of on the shoulders of marijuana and liquor, right?
That was kind of the thing always of smoking weed and having some drinks.
And that's when weed was a drug.
But that's also when
the music kind of tonally
was similar to party shit.
It was that kind of vibe.
I say a hip, a hop,
a hippie, a hippie,
to the hip, hip, hop,
but you don't stop.
But it's so funny to think about
that now that pills get into play
and what happens is
fucking mumble rap
becomes a real thing, right?
Garb, and I'm not,
you clearly understand
I'm separating.
Huge mumble rap fan, yes. But you know I'm separating people like mac miller from that category they're not
even close but i'm saying that's funny i wonder what the next synthetic drug is going to be that's
going to introduce its way into music and influence how music is then made right because it depends
music does follow that cocaine in the 70s influenced so much rock and roll cult culture
and art and music and comedy itself all follows policy oh sure so
whatever this whatever the the people pulling strings to the top wherever they want to go with
this country if they want to keep giving pharmaceutical country like shit or climate
control whatever the fuck they want to do we're gonna talk about it and that's what the art gonna
be yeah i don't think we have as much control as we try to pretend that we do we don't no we have
to talk about what anyone like as much people like like as much as uh um try to pretend that we do. We don't. No, we have to talk about what that is. Anyone, like as much as people like,
like as much as
Kendrick Lamar
or Drake thinks
that they have party,
no, you're just commenting
on a thing that
a white old fuck
writes on a paper.
That's a great album name.
White old fuck.
White old fuck.
White old fuck paperwork.
It is true though, yes.
It's a comment,
but I'm saying we have a duty to do
it a lot of people in america can turn a blind eye to like what's going on and say fuck this
shit or this is boring or this is annoying or i don't want to think about it we really can't get
away from it dude even if as a comic you don't want to talk about that shit you still can't get
away from hearing it as a comedian which i think is a good thing as a comic you're forced to talk
about shit that's going on in the world because you're in it if you didn't you you wouldn't have a long you wouldn't have a long-lasting career in
comedy any good comic one of the greatest quotes i ever heard about lauren michaels for saturday
night live he says you want to know what's going on in a war in the world watch snl and listen as
people can talk shit about snl as much as they want i love that fucking show i've always been
a fan of that show that's a fact i've always been a fan and i think what that says says volumes
because that show does its its best Yes, it's opinionated.
It's slanted
but it doesn't matter.
They are showing you
week to week
what in the world
is kind of going on
and they give you an angle.
I don't even think
It may not be the angle
that you fucking love
but it's an angle.
That's what I like.
I don't even think
the show is as left leaning
as it tries to make
that stuff out to be.
Well, well, well.
Of course not
but people who are on the right
would want you to believe that and so that gets inflated right so then because snl gets attacked by people
like trump the president tweets about that that's hilarious to me uh well snl is in a weird position
where the left and the right attacks them a total of course because the left is like why is there no
transgender nigga babies with fucking like and why aren't there by the way good question Chris
and why aren't there
Sam
huh
huh
but I think
but I think the truth
of the matter is like
yes they're both
gonna get mad
at both sides
but the right media
tends to do this thing
where they go
because Trump said
whenever Trump
says something
about a thing
right
it's the world's news
right
it becomes the world
it becomes
it becomes bigger
than itself
and people are like
why are you
talking about him
because he's the fucking president yeah man well i'm bored of
hearing about it right yeah because you've never had a president who talked this much
ever ever ever i don't even think we could have somebody that jimmy carter flies commercial
today i know it's that's how that's how humble that said next to him in 24 f last week bro and
he was hugging my shoulder space come on Jimmy he was holding the fucking arm yeah
you know what side
is yours
bitch
put your fucking
peanut farm
yo I'm so happy
that you came through
tell me this
tell the people at home
where they can see you
they find you
and what you want them to know
you can see me
at the comedy store
I'm traveling
a little bit less this year
but you know
watch Big Mouth
and all that good noise
and follow me on Instagram
I'll probably be posting
a couple shows
Twitter Instagram at Jack Knight it's Jack Knight But like you know Watch Big Mouth And all that good noise And follow me on Instagram I'll probably be posting A couple shows Twitter
Instagram
Twitter
At Jack Knight
It's Jack Knight
And then Instagram is
Jackknight123
There's a couple clips on there
Why did you do that
Jackknight123
Because there was already
Other Jackknights
Because I'm a child
I think my
My email is the same thing
Is it really
Yeah I don't know
I'm not gonna change it either
Because Neil Brennan
Made fun of me for it
I'm like
Fuck you
Fuck you
I'm gonna keep it Yeah keep it Are you doing any shows fun of me for it. I'm like, fuck you, Neil Brennan. I'm going to keep going.
Are you doing any shows coming up that you want to plug or promote or no? Are you good?
New Year's Eve.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, bro.
New Year's Eve, I'm going to Chicago and No Name.
My city.
Yeah, No Name, the musician, and a couple of other musicians, Tierra Whack and Shmino and Saba and all
the best musicians I think
that are out right now are doing a New Year's Eve show
and me, Teddy Ray,
Sam Jay, Langston Kerman, Punky
Johnson. The best!
A lot of my favorite comedians in this generation
are all going to be opening for this musical show
and when I was a kid I would always see
Mos Def hanging out with Chappelle
and I think that's, you know, I think I'm not either close to either of those two would always see Most Deaf hanging out With Chappelle And I think that's
You know
I think I'm
Not either close to either
Of those two human beings
But I'm hanging out
With my Most Deaf right now
That's dope
Yeah
Where is it?
Tell them where it is
Tell them where they can get
Tickets and all that shit
If it's already not sold out
The 30th isn't sold out
The 31st isn't sold out
But I think it's at
What's that major
What's that regular theater
In Chicago?
The Chicago Theater?
It's not just Chicago Oh the Vic Oh the Vic Yeah we're doing the Vic That's that regular theater in Chicago? The Chicago Theater? It's not just Chicago.
Oh, the Vic.
Oh, the Vic.
Yeah, we're doing the Vic.
That's where I shot my special, man.
The Vic.
Great special, by the way.
Showtime.
Vic.
We're at the Vic.
At the Vic.
Go check them out at the Vic on the 30th and the 31st.
You know, at Chito Santino.
The Slugger Santino will be in Bakersfield on the 19th.
I've never done that room, never been up there.
So come out and have some fun.
Then the next weekend, 24, 25, 26 26 I'll be in DC or Arlington whatever
same shit over at the draft house doing my fucking thing so come out I'm gonna
invite Trump let's see if he comes oh shit and then a dead crow February dead
crow in February yeah yeah Jack Knight Andrew Santino thank you so much for coming. Goodbye. Whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey.
You're that creature in the ginger beard.
Sturdy and ginger.
Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse.
Gingers are beautiful.
You owe me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse.
Gingers are hell no.
This whiskey is excellent.
Ginger.
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