Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Jason Kelce

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

Jason Kelce, the powerhouse center for the Philadelphia Eagles, recently hung up his cleats after a legendary career. Off the field, he continues to engage fans with his podcast "New Heights," where he dives into sports, culture, and life alongside his brother Travis Kelce. He's on the show with his pal Santino to sip on some of the good stuff and share some stories and some laughs. Enjoy!! #jasonkelce #andrewsantino #whiskeyginger #podcast #newheightsshow ================================================= Sponsor Whiskey Ginger: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/whiskeyginger SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS SQUARESPACE Get that site up and running now! 10% off your order https://squarespace.com/whiskey BETTER HELP Get the help you need from a licensed professional 10% off your first month https://betterhelp.com/whiskey RABBITHOLE $5 OFF YOUR ORDER https://rabbitholedistillery.com/buynow USE PROMO CODE: RABBIT ETHOS Affordable Life Insurance ONLY $10 A MONTH https://ethoslife.com/whiskey ======================================= Follow Andrew Santino: https://www.instagram.com/cheetosantino/ https://twitter.com/CheetoSantino Follow Whiskey Ginger: https://www.instagram.com/whiskeyging... https://twitter.com/whiskeyginger_ Produced and edited by Joe Faria IG: @itsjoefaria Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ginger. I like gingers. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Junior. My guest today is one of my favorite people on earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean it once again today. It is the real Kelsey brother. Or Kels. I should say Kels is the right way to say it. Well, depends on who you ask. For me, it's Kelsey. It's the real Kelsey brother. Jason Kelsey's in the house.

Ladies and gentlemen, we don't want Travis around here anymore. This is the real big dog. I wish that was the case. The adult size man. And he flew in, he came straight here. So thank you so much. Cheers to you. Let's have a little cheers. He has coffee, water, and whiskey. Cheers. My big dog. A lot of liquids. Feels so good. And I went to the gym this morning, so this feels like I deserve this. Like it's a reward. What did you do? I just went there. I went and looked around for an hour and a half, and then I took off.

I don't ever do anything. I just go make sure it's still there. I go, still a gym, and I got to go. Is your workout regimen the same now that you're retired? So far, it's kind of been the same. So I was doing, for most of the off-seas, I've been doing similar to what the team's been doing. And then I just reverted back. I shouted out my strength coach in my retirement speech from college, Paul Longo. Yeah.

And he used to do this block 620, which is you do a weight that's pretty heavy that you struggle to get six times. And then you do a weight that's really light that you would struggle to get 20 times. And it's kind of like a strength and hypertrophy block. Wow. That we would go to every year after the season was over we go to that and i just feel like i always felt like after i do that my body feels really good yeah so i'm in that block right now so i haven't fully transitioned into like full-on non-athletic lifting i'm still kind of doing that yeah i think part of

that's just like that's what i know and i've always done yeah it's gotta be uh i haven't done a lot of running on the field which is new were you a big cardio guy when you were playing or no i hate cardio yeah me too yeah it's the worst thing in the world i would much rather i've always been good in like you know all out or like walking like that's my those are my speeds. I cannot pace myself. Yes, exactly. Sprint or walk. Yeah. So I do hit interval training pretty good.

I love that. Yeah. Like Tabata, like 20 on 10 off. That's my jam. But like, if you're going to ask me to like coast for like 20 minutes, I'm going to.

Nah, I don't feel like it. It's not even fun. I ran for years. And then when I had a back injury, I stopped running and I miss certain things about it. But the monotony sometimes of my brain was like, you have to run because you run a lot. So you, you should just keep doing it. And then I just got kind of sick of the,

it was a little bit mundane. It was kind of the same nonsense. And I hate treadmill. Treadmills are like, blow those things up. I can't, I hate those. I'll do like hills walks on treadmills. Treadmills are like blow those things up. I hate those things. I'll do like hills walks on treadmills but I don't want to run on them. No, I don't want to just run. It's not fun. See, out here, everyone, this is hike country. Everyone likes to hike out here. I like it but then I'm that douchebag who like runs the hill

and everyone's like this guy. But I like it because I just don't want to walk it. Yeah, I try to show off a little bit. No, I just, every time I go on a hike I'm like I get the little kid anxiety where I'm like, because I just don't want to walk it. Yeah, I try to show off a little bit. No, I just, every time I go on a hike, I'm like, I get the little kid anxiety where I'm like, can I just run? I don't want to, I don't feel like walking up slowly. I want to go, it feels like my body's like,

you got to just go, just get up to the top already. Listen, running hills is like tremendous for you. It's great. But you look like that guy. If everybody else is walking, it's... Yeah, you're a dickhead. Yeah, a little bit. Also, whenever I see someone running downhill, you know, you see these people running on a downhill? That's...

Yeah, I've never done that. You know the word for that. Stupid is the word. Yeah, stupid as shit. Whenever I see someone running downhill, I'm like, dude, not good for your knees or your back. Don't do that. Run up.

Good chance you're going to fall. Walk down. Yeah, 100%. I want to say, retirement speech, fantastic. I knew you were going to retire. I didn't add no inside information, but I felt it in my bones, something in me, and now I think the second half of your life, how exciting. This new stage of you in the media, and I don't know what's next to come. You don't have to give me any leaks, but I'm excited

for you to see what's the next chunk because a lot of guys look i'm friends with a fair amount of guys who used to play different sports and it's interesting to watch what some guys get into professionally if they stay in the sports world and they go into coaching or training and and then some guys that go way in the other direction right like i have a couple of friends i know sell real estate yeah just completely get out they go way, way from sports. Do you already have a goal in mind, or are you kind of going where the wind takes you?

I have short-term goals. Obviously, I just signed on with ESPN for Monday Night Football. Huge, I know, huge. So my short-term goal is really make sure I'm prepared and do that at a high level. I've talked to a lot of guys. I mean, a lot of this is talking to people that do it, right?

I do the podcast, but this is much different, right? You're live live and the the time segments that you have to be in and out of or or tighter so there's less freeness or there's less freedom yeah to to say and like really go into like nuanced detail on something like that so are you afraid if you do that at talk if you're like talking a little bit too much shit yeah yeah well or talking too much shit or talking too much talking too much i mean like if you're just going into a diatribe and you is that a because on the podcast we can say whatever we want do whatever we want there is

no length of cutoff time well that's the beauty of the podcast you can go into really like big detail on like complex things and go and give a a a good synopsis on the entire picture yeah in the pre-shows and stuff like that, because you're handcuffed with the time constraints and you know, everybody needs to be able to get in things. So you want to be respectful of all of it. So you're trying to get in and out of things a little bit quicker. I do think the best shows feel like they're more conversational and it expands a little bit into that, but it's still,

it's going to be a little bit more condensed than what a podcast would be. Well, like what they did on, you know, Charles, Shaq and Kenny, and it's just like, but what's going to happen with that? Now the future of that is in limbo and it's so weird, but that is why what's so annoying to me is that's what people like. They like that these guys are friends. They like that they have a relationship. They like that they goof with each other.

What people kind of don't take to is when it feels extremely so professional that these two things have nothing to do with each other. Yeah. It feels so overproduced that it's like pre-planned and it's weird. Yeah. You want those authentic reactions happening out there. You want, you know, and that's why, you know, listen, Chuck is the magic as well as Chad. Unbelievable. But Ernie is like the guy that really kind of lets them do what they do and brings it all kind of a structure to it. Right. I think, you know, obviously Scott Van Pelt on Monday night, I think he has that same ability to kind of bring that structure.

And hopefully we can kind of, you know, be able to be ourselves and Scott kind of wrangle it back in a little bit as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring you down to earth. Yeah. You're not scared, though. You're not nervous. No, I'm nervous.

You are? And I think it's good. No, seriously. Yeah. You should be a little nervous. Every game I ever played in my life that I played really well, I was nervous for at least a healthy amount of it. Like not like to the point that you think, you think that you can't do it, but there's like

a healthy amount of respect for what's your opponent. The guy that like, whenever I played a really good player, I always felt like I played better because all week I like was really into preparing for this guy. I studied it more. I was more like, I perseverated about it when I was sleeping. Like, I'm like, man, if I do this, I need to make sure I do this. Otherwise, he's going to take care of that. And like when you put more effort into it because of that nervousness, I think it usually results in a better product.

Now, once you're out there, you can't be nervous. You just got to go. But I think it's healthy to be nervous with where I'm at right now. Hopefully, then I prepare more. And usually, the more prepared you are the less nervous you are when you're actually out there totally we you need to have a hand signal uh you know how carol bonnet like tickled her ear to say hi to her family yeah we need to have a hand signal for you on monday night football when we know you're in your groove oh there we go yeah or when we know

like you've cascaded over the the nerves when you're just killing it yeah we got to have something that's like your your you can think about it something that coins for you that's very much yeah just a little and then someone's just like we got a drug test him we have to have something that's like your, you can think about it, something that coins for you that's very much. Yeah, just a little. And then someone's just like, we got to drug test him. We have to see what he's up to. He's flicked his nose like six times on the show. He keeps rubbing his gums.

What is he doing? No, but I'm excited for that too for you because I think that's it. a big deal that a lot of athletes now have become the new faces of sports talk, whether it's podcasting or live broadcasting. And it's what, in my personal dumb opinion, it's what we've always wanted. You're like, I'd rather hear it from the guy that did it. I don't want to hear it from, no offense, but sometimes there's guys that talk and you're like, well, you didn't do it. You didn't do it. You don't know what that is. That's upset. It's like, I don't, that bothers me sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes you want to

just hear what the guy who did it did. Yeah. I mean, listen, I, I vastly prefer listening to like coaches and players, but I will say I do think some people that are really good that didn't play offer a perspective that sometimes players and coaches don't have because we did play like, you know, there's, it's always interesting. Like when the fans have perspectives or like sports media has perspectives that end up, you know,

being kind of more true than what like the players or coaches think because they're looking at it from a lens that's removed from, you know, personal, you know, that attachment. Yeah. The attachment to either the team or certain players or friendships or, you know, just the attachment to how everything's happened, right? When you're detached from that,

you look at things from a little bit slightly different lens and usually it's more wrong. The vast majority of the time, it's more incorrect. But sometimes it's a perspective that warrants you to say like oh man you know that's a good point that they're bringing up there i didn't think about it that way and it makes sense as a fan uh we won't we won't dive to keep going into

football there's so many other things i want to talk to you about but i do want to ask you because people get asked as comics we get asked this all the time you asked me on your show yeah least favorite city to go play to. What was a bummer every time you went to go play, when you were like, God, I don't want to go play over there? Man. See, we get asked that question, and we're always like, I don't know, there's a couple of cities, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, so the NFL, no matter where you play, is going to be packed, right? Yeah. In the places that aren't packed, you kind of love playing there because they're packed with Eagles fans because they travel well. Yeah, they do. And they buy up all the tickets. Like, whenever we play in L.A., it was almost every single game.

It's all green. It's a home game. Yeah, it was all green. So crazy to see that. So I think I'd probably go just from, like, which stadiums, just, like, I didn't like physically the most, which I hated MetLife. And we had a lot of success there. We a lot of games that's great the state the field was absolutely atrocious for years they just redid the turf it's a little bit better but it was it was really really bad

because turf sucks turf sucks but in particular they had they had like bad they had turf but they had bad turf that's so funny funny. Even the turf is bad. Yeah, you would think this beautiful, I mean, it's not even that old. No, it's relatively new, right? Yeah, so I don't know how they messed that up that bad, but it was really bad. They just redid it. I think it's a little bit better. Then Green Bay has awful infrastructure, but it's the coolest place in the world.

From like 1612. That's why it's the coolest place in the world. From like 1612. That's why it's the coolest thing ever. You're walking down a hallway that you can't walk side by side with somebody because it's so narrow. When they designed it, it's like you're walking out

single file. That's cool. You can't walk side by side. That's right. I'm just fine. Normal humans are just fine walking out of there. I mean, Dallas,

I never liked, Dallas just feels the least like you're at an NFL stadium. Feels like Jerry Jones' house. It feels like you're at this, like, it just feels the most different. Right. It's like this, you're more of like an entertainer rather than like a football player. Totally. Did he ever come down, I feel like he's the kind of guy that would like come downstairs and say hi to you guys. Jerry?

Yeah. He never said hi to me. No. We got close a couple times. He seems like he would go to the opponent's locker room and be like, you boys all right? He's got that very George Bush, like, is everybody all right down here?

I can see that. Is AC okay? There's that Texas in him. Yeah, he has that, like, he's being cordial, but he's also being condescending. He's like, yeah, you like your facility? Yeah. Yeah, could have made it better, but you know.

Yeah, we decided not to. Yeah, we decided not to. Yeah, we decided not to. We decided against it. I will say, probably the best visiting locker room. Really? It's enormous space. Like, it's a good visiting locker room. What about Buffalo?

We got our asses kicked there a lot, unfortunately. We won early when they built that stadium, but then recently Dallas has definitely had the upper hand at home. Somebody told me, and I can't say the player's name. I can say it to you off air. Or actually, here, just blank this out. Yeah, he was, it's so funny, I covered my mouth and you said it right in the mic.

No, he's going to blank it out. No, but he said to me about going up there to Buffalo, he was like, I was like, how is that? How's Buffalo? I've been to Buffalo one time in my life. And he goes, facilities are better than you'd ever imagine. I was like, really? He's like, yeah, the training facilities, the work.

He's like, all that stuff. And I said, wow, that's interesting. And he's like, well, to keep a guy there, you've got to give him something to be like, yeah, this is nice, right? The food is good. We'll fly in whenever you want. But I thought that was like, because we get that same thing. You know, you asked me on the show, and it's a tough question of where I don't like to play.

Because it's not the people. It's never the fans in the city. Sometimes it's just like the way that the place is laid out and the way to get to the venue. Because then the venue doesn't yield good traffic in terms of people coming and wanting to go to it. If it's in a part of a city where people are like,'re not fucking going over there yeah that does actually feel the worst when you're not in a city yeah i think when you're in the city and anything like i know chicago right now is talking about taking the new stadium outside of the city we'll see if that happens i hope it doesn't yeah i don't think it's going to i don't like when it gets outside of the city

it just feels like you're detached from everything well that's and that well and the other hard part with chicago especially is, it's such an iconic, like on the lake, by the park, it just kind of like does something for the city. It's the same thing with why Wrigley is in the middle of the city. And I think when you do remove that, I get some of the reasoning for it for them. Of course. But also, I don't know, man, there's something. Yeah, you're going to get, it's traffic. You're going to get stuck gonna get stuck it's gonna be a nightmare it's part of it whatever yeah like i i

i've told this story but one time i remember when i was touring with rogan years ago and we were doing arenas and we went to play chicago we played um the united center in chicago and i remember feeling like it just it was just powerful because it's home for me. Yeah. And we're sitting on, we're sitting, we're sitting on the highway and it's crazy traffic. Right. And it's also rush hour and Joe's getting a little antsy and I could tell like, you know, he's kind of like talking to the driver. He's like, Hey man, can we not get off? And you know, like go around and then, you know, and the guy's like, sir, you know, blah,

blah, blah, blah. And then we're sitting there, we're kind of quiet, we don't say anything. And then finally Joe goes, man, is this just Rush Harbor? Like, what is going on? And the driver turns and looks back at him and goes, they're going to see you, sir. I was like, right. Perfect.

Right. I mean, and it was so, he wasn't being rude. He was like, sir, this is you. Yeah, you did this. You're the reason we're here. Because I used to think about that all the time. Whenever you'd see, because a lot of kids will wait by

why can't I think of the name now? Crypto. Downtown. Staples Center. They wait where they know the players come out of. Would you guys have kids waiting to see you guys to come out and all that? There really wasn't a spot like that in the Eagles stadium. There was a couple hot spots that? There really wasn't a spot like that in the Eagles stadium. There was a couple hot spots,

but it really wasn't that big. Because there, downtown, if you've ever gone after a Laker game, it is kind of cool to watch. People line up to see them come out in their cars. A lot of guys would run out their window and do the whole thing. And I remember feeling how that was such a cool thing. Absolutely.

But as a kid in Chicago, they wouldn't let you anywhere near it. Especially in the Jordan era. You couldn't even go. Yeah, nowhere. There was like a fence with a fence and a fence. And you could maybe kind of see some of the cars coming. But I see it in L.A. and I think, I know Los Angeles,

and that is very deliberate that they're like, make it so they can see them come out of the thing. Make it so they can take pictures. Right. It's very interesting how that works. The old progressive field now, I think it is, but when it was the Jacobs field growing up, Travis and I,

my dad, we would go wait. There was that little fence that was right where all the players parked and you'd have a ball and you'd beg for autographs afterwards and like,

maybe one guy would come over and be the biggest thing on the planet. Yeah. No way Omar Vizquel came over here and was signing balls. Yeah.

Even if he didn't get to your ball. Didn't matter. He just came over here. He signed that kid's ball. Yeah, he was just right there. That kid right there has one. What was was like when you were a kid who was

was there an athlete that you either got to meet or got near that was like a one of those moments for you i mean omar omar like the indians of the 90s were the team in cleveland like yeah the cams are pretty good that browns left so that was unfortunate unfortunate. But the 90s Indians were like the team for Cleveland. And anybody on that team, they were so starstruck. Kenny Lofton, Omar Vizquel, Manny Ramirez, Jim Tomey. Stacked. Jim Tomey was probably the iconic guy from that era. Yeah.

For whatever reason, he just has been. Manny was certainly up there. But Manny's career post that got even bigger when he left it was like then he became this other thing he was like his own thing

for me I met Frank Thomas as a kid and that was like I wasn't even a White Sox fan I was a Northside kid but meeting Frank Thomas was still I remember it pretty vividly because wasn't even a white socks fan i was a north side kid so but meeting frank thomas was still i mean i don't i don't i remember it pretty vividly because i they would play this golf tournament uh michael jordan hosted a golf tournament okay and uh the day before was the practice round and

that's when they would talk to kids yeah so if you could get to the fence they would chat with you on the day of there was so much media stuff, they wouldn't let you anywhere near it. Yeah, sure. And this guy, I remember running up to the fence, and this guy, he goes, just some older dude, some older white dude, and he sees me kind of like looking. He's like, who are you looking for? I go, somebody famous. And he goes, you see that group behind us? I go, yeah, kind of, far away. He's like, that's Frank Thomas. I was like, yeah, right. You was like, you can't even, we can't even see who it is, but I'm like, no, it's not. He's not there. No chance. And he goes, he goes, let me tell you something, kid. One of you idiots better run home and go get a baseball card because that is Frank Thomas. So sure enough, my buddy, Matt Mitchell

and Matt and I were like, do you think he's full of shit? Or do you think we like, you know what I mean? We were like, should we just go get a card maybe just in case? And he's like, all right, I'm going to go. I'll go. I'll run and get a card. He ran, got a card, and I waited. Because in the back of my head, I thought, that guy's a liar. He's fucking with us. We're kids.

Sure enough, dude. He got it. In comes Frank Thomas. He got it. Yeah. And forever. Oh, what could have been? I know, an idiot.

He signed his. He signed his. But Frank came up in a golf cart and was the whole golf cart you know he's by himself still yeah i went on set with him uh and i was on set with him alex rodriguez uh big poppy for like a uh they were at the phillies for one of the playoff games and i was still amazed at how gigantic that unbelievable he's enormous each of his legs was you know like a like two human torsos. And he was half in the golf cart, half out.

And he had a huge, that beautiful Frank Thomas smile that he's got, like, ear to ear. And he goes, he gave just a little wave, and then we didn't say a word. And then they hit. It was a par three. And then he turned back at us. And it's so funny. Neither of us said anything. We were too nervous.

But we kind of just were, like, doing the, like, maybe if he comes over yeah and he just came kind of lumbering over and he's just he's just like motioned his hand like he already you know he knew it was yeah he was like let's do it i'll do the thing because back then when we were kids there's no pictures yeah you didn't take photos it is so funny that that's got to be a easier thing for athletes now because you take a billion photos yeah a billion fine great but also what would you rather you want to sign a million autographs or you want to sign you know take a million photos i don't you know i don't know i think um because usually it's one of the two right they don't ask for both yeah usually it is one i think i would you i would rather do the autograph thing yeah and i think maybe that's just because when I was a kid, that's like all I wanted.

Me too. So like I just identify with that more. Yeah. I don't have a problem with the pictures. Like, you know, I think overall, whenever a kid comes up to you, for the most part, you're just like, you know, every professional player for the most part was a kid at one point. Yeah. So it's like this ultimate moment where you realize you're like going to be interacting a child right and like they look at you the same way i looked at albert bell

potentially who was he asked who my favorite player was it was albert bell which not a lot of non-indians fans know albert bell i don't think no i do but albert bell and then travis was carlos by air anyways um that is like the coolest thing ever yeah travis liked who carlos by air good you remember him? No. I forget what position he played. How very Travis to be such a position player. He had a chain, and he had the whole, like, he almost was like a dance getting ready to hit the ball. Right.

He had a style to him. His style, right. If you saw him play, you'd be like, that's why Travis liked him. This makes a ton of sense. Right. You liked a traditional, by-the-book, hard-working guy. Travis liked the guy that had the first guy with an earring on the team. That liked it. You liked it. Traditional, uh, by the book, hardworking guys. Travis liked the guy that had the first guy with an earring on the team, you know? That's right. Yeah,

exactly. Causing all the trouble. The guy that my dad, I can hear my dad now being like, and why does he got to wear the jewelry? It's going to hit him in the face when he runs. That is so funny. But that's, that's how my dad was too. With we played sports, my dad, he loved the book. For him, it was like, you wear it the way it's supposed to be worn. We were not allowed to wear it. I couldn't wear anything with my own vibe. Absolutely. I couldn't do it.

If you look outside the rest of the team, that's selfish behavior. My dad would be so mad. Guys would wear stirrups. The whole deal was, if one guy wore stirrups and the the whole deal was if one guy wore stirrups we all had to wear that was like the whole thing right yeah and uh i remember my dad there was like you know some guys were trying to fight against it a little bit and my dad was just like you do whatever the coach says this week that you're supposed to be wearing you don't try to be the guy who's standing out with the thing you don't stand out you blend in yeah it's very much it's like army mentality because

he was an army kid so it's like it's very much like you get in line and you shut up yeah and if the coach like even in basketball we weren't supposed to touch the backboard in layup drills yeah and everybody wanted it was like such a thing because we weren't allowed to dunk yeah so they were like no touching the rim it was like look i could have if i wanted to so guys would So they were like, no touching the rim. It was like, look, I could have if I wanted to. So guys would touch the backboard and my dad would be like, if you touch the fucking backboard, I'll break your fingers. It was such a, I had that. Was your dad like that to you guys?

I was about to say, my dad's biggest one, I still remember watching games, was when guys would show, which is so funny now. Yeah. Because like guys either showboating before they scored or even dancing in the end zone it would drive him crazy yeah like just give the ball to the official what are we doing what's the what's with the show and now travis is like the and he's never said one word about it and like he is completely flip-flopped right you know he's all about the showboating now well because times i think at some point it It's much different now. It's just so different then.

But yes, my dad with the dancing thing was like—like when Terrell Owens, it was like my dad was like, this guy, he wants his own thing! I actually heard a fun argument. I think it was on—I think it was on All the Smoke. I think they talked about this on that pod that those guys had said from that generation when they, when the old joke was the no fun league, the NFL, no fun league, when they took away dances, he was like, we paid all these fines and then now they reinstituted celebrations.

He's like all of that money that we paid should be calculated and then donated to charity or charity. And I was like, that's actually clever. Give it to a charity.. You owe that to somebody. I could be wrong, but I do think, supposedly, I do think the fine money does go to charity. It does it? I'm kind of sure on that. You do. I have no idea.

And the only reason I think I know this— I hope it does. I'm pretty sure that that money does go to charity. I don't know if all of it does, but I think that there is a charitable component to the NFL fine system. You don't think Roger Goodell has a Scrooge McDuck mcduck room at his house i'm not gonna say he doesn't i'm not gonna say he doesn't there was a weird thing there was a weird thing where during covid yeah they increased the fines on like very frivolous things and it's like are they trying to like even out the the money here right like what's happening what was the most ridiculous

fine thing that's so like you can't show your knee right but like your sock has to come up to your pant sure okay if there's any space technically that's a uniform violation um but like if there's like this much space you it's just normal that like hey my pants came up to my i'm playing a sport yeah my sock came down uh so i got fined one time i'm telling i'm talking to you like what's going on man like i've been doing this with my pants forever like why am i all of a sudden getting fined right and like we're just they they really want us to make a push to what's that fine cost i think i forget i don't want to say because i don't want to like yeah yeah it's you know i ended up getting it reduced but still had to pay the fine which was some thousands of dollars but it's such an innocuous number too yeah i mean it's it's just weird that like that

has no bearing on like player health and safety how and it's very it's obviously not on purpose right so like what are we doing this for just like i don't understand the reasoning for it that's the opposite of like what the nba was like when the nba went with length of shorts at first they were like i remember when they were talking about the length of shorts changing when I was a kid. And it was like, that was a big conversation. Like the Allen Iverson era of like,

they were huge. And then the NBA realized fast. They were like, these guys are going to do whatever. We're never going to be able to tell them what to like. It's just never going to work. They're just going to wear whatever they're going to wear. They'll just,

because if you make them shorter, they'll just wear shorts that are two sizes too big. Yeah. Or they'll wear them too short and then they won't, they'll just like have them halfway wear. They'll just, because if you make them shorter, they'll just wear shorts that are two sizes too big. Yeah. Or they'll wear them too short and then they won't just like have them halfway down. It's like you can't control it. They find a way away from the rules. A hundred percent.

And this is where like, uh, when early on in traveling with, in the NFL, they used to, used to be very buttoned up. You have to wear a suit and tie on every single plane. Right.

And you can't wear jeans. You can't wear tennis shoes. And like, now it's gotten to the point that like, cause like, let's just let them wear track suits. Cause like nobody abides by the plane. Right. And you can't wear jeans. You can't wear tennis shoes. And like, now it's gotten to the point that like, cause like, let's just let them wear track suits. Cause like nobody abides by the rules. Right.

Like people are coming in with like half of them got jeans on half, half of the guys got tree, which I love. Like I do not want to wear a three piece suit on a plane for no reason. No, I never understood the point of it. Yeah. But a lot of the teens have caved.

Cause they're like, this is just, what are we doing this for? Well, my dad was in sales. It serves no purpose. Yeah. He used to wear suits. It's a business trip.

We're here for business. Like, guys, I don't need to put a suit on to know that I'm here to win a football game. I'm also going to the hotel to change anyway. I'm going to wear this for four hours, be uncomfortable on a flight, and then change out of it. I never understood that. Looking uncomfortable on a plane, I was always like, that's the only time I want to be at max comfort is on a flight. Exactly.

Max comfort. Should be max. Every, like, those seats on you guys' planes, because you took commercial, but it's commercial custom, right? Like, it's your. So it's just a regular commercial plane, but they. Make all the seats first class. No, no. What?

So we're in regular seats, but a whole row, especially for a veteran player, I'd have a whole row. But they're regular seats? Regular seats. Some teams have their own, though. Some teams have their own planes. The Eagles do not. Philly should. All the coaches are up in first class, which pisses off some of the guys.

That would piss me off. They should be in the back. They have that little report card, and they keep trying to get that as an A in any way they can. Oh my God, it's only going to be an A if you give everybody first class. Right, right. Make everyone have it. I don't know what you want me to tell you. You guys are doing a great job.

The food's fantastic. You're going out of this world for services. But if the coaches are up in first class and the players and coach, they're going to be pissed off. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. So you don't get to lay, lay out or do you just lay down in the road?

I mean, honestly, it's fine. It works, especially if you're not on like a, a long flight, like West coast flights. I do think first class,

especially for bigger guys like Jordan, a lot of six, nine, his knees. Like it's just a very uncomfortable. Yeah. He's got to sit in the, you have to lay in the aisle.

This year they did offer that I think on a West coast trip. And a lot of guys didn't take it. I think Jordan was one of them. So I don't know. But with Chip, they gave us first class. Then they took it away with Doug. And it's still taken away with Nick. Wow.

So that's like one of the hot topics. Yeah. That's a big deal. That's locker room chat. Yeah. Locker room chat. Yeah. I can't believe the coaches ain't playing tomorrow.

Why are they up in first class? Yeah, it's true, though. Yeah. You guys, was there text messages? Was there, like, a good text stream with players? Like, did you have a good text crew or no? So there's different ones. So you have, like, your position group text crew.

Right, right. And then even within that, you have, like, the starting five or whatever. We're texting all the time. Right. Then you'll have there's like the leadership committee which really gets started by the coach right and then that turns into like a whole text thread then uh is that kind of that causes break off texts right there's a couple yeah then there's those are my favorite back to the position group or back to like hey we're all veterans so like

you know me fletch and these guys are in a text group because we've been there the longest right so yeah there's and you're taught this group is talking shit about that group and that group's talking shit about that group and you're joking about that guy. Someone says something in one group that you go, this dude. What's this guy talking about? What's this guy's deal? What's this? Yeah.

What do you want? More homework? Shut up. Well, there's always the, the big thing that's like always talked about is like the schedule. Yeah. And it's like all the, you know, older guys, we want to get in early. Because most of us live away from the city. We want to beat rush hour. We're not going out the night before.

So just let's go in, get it done, and be done for the rest of the day. I go home and play with my kids. That's what I want. But everybody else, let's push it off to 9 o'clock. So there's always this give and take of what the older guys want, what the younger guys want, what the coaches want. And it's fun to watch that.

Yeah. To watch it go back and forth. Who's going to win out here. And usually I'm like, listen, whatever the fuck you guys want to do, I'll be here. Yeah. You fold at some point.

Like, I don't give a shit. I don't care that much. Well, cause you are, I mean, uh, your,

your family man persona precedes you because your wife is arguably, uh, more famous at this point. Yeah. She's become, she should be. Well, I mean, yeah, for looks and talent and all that stuff. Definitely, without a doubt.

It is funny. She's become like this. Does she like it? Because it seems she seems very humble, like you, kind of a family person. It seems like she doesn't really want any of the nonsense, but she's cool with it. So is it annoying to her, or does she want any of the nonsense but she's cool with it so is it is it annoying to her or does she like some of the attention i think um because she's gotten a lot

people now are like she's become just as big of a fixture of this i think it's both i think you know when so we did the documentary a couple years ago yeah and that definitely um um, I think that she's a little bit uncomfortable with, I guess, you know, how much it's become. Yeah. It's big. And our family's out there and like people know what our kids look like. And I think we're both a little bit like we've tried to retract from that a little bit. Um, but I think, you know, she enjoys the fact that she, you know, gets to go and do charitable outings. She gets to give back to the community. She gets to, you know, she enjoys the fact that she, you know, gets to go and do charitable outings. She gets to give back to the community. She gets to, you know, do clinics with little girls with field hockey and like all these other things.

I think she enjoys that aspect of it. And I do think some of the other stuff she's kind of a little bit more hesitant to. And like, you know, I didn't really sign up for this. And I'm like, yeah, we're gonna be all right. You know, it's good. We're getting through it. Yeah, it gets to be too much at times. And it's hard to always be available.

You know what I mean? But I think more often than not, it's such an awesome interaction whenever you're doing that stuff. And the vast majority of people are beyond just like you know respectful and appreciative and you realize that you know we're we're in a position of great fortune to be able to you know be where we're at and um and it's all because of these people that are really really big fans so yeah yeah that's i mean that's that the nature of all of it is like being as famous as you are, it's tough because it comes along with it. But I don't think it's deserved. And I've always said this is when someone's like, well, that's what they get for being famous.

And you're like, that's not what anybody gets. There is no that's what you get. That's a weird phrase. It's part of the territory. Sure. But it's not a that's what you get. Yeah. I don't like that because it makes it feel like you deserve to be annoyed.

It's like, no you that's crazy talk yeah that's like the same in my mind that's the same line of thinking when someone goes well she wore it out to the club yeah she wasn't gonna get harassed it's like yeah she didn't want to be harassed like yeah because you're drunk and annoying she got harassed but most people are cool right like most fans that we meet in our world are so cool and so yeah it's totally fine it doesn't bother me but there are days like that where you just describe you're in a weird space maybe and then someone catches you like a woman pointed at me and her finger was quite close to my face and she was drunk and we were walking to meet someone for lunch and she was like, you're famous.

And I didn't have any response. And I just go, yep. And I just kept walking. It just felt weird. It was weird. And so then they were like, what's his deal? He's an asshole. It's like, what?

Doesn't have the time. How could I have done that? What else would you want me to do? So, but it is, I just see from afar. It's interesting now because your family is just such a fixture and a part of it's been crazy yeah well and your brother's really screwed up exactly yeah what a jerk travis and taylor have taken it to another level and that's a whole nother yeah side of it right i mean like kylie and i think we have a bad and then we go hang out with like one of them for

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your brother came up because of something which i'm sick of talking about him uh but yeah i think i met your brother five years ago or whatever and he's the same guy to me he was then that he is now there's no question which i think that's the only version of that that is good where it's like yeah it's easy to change when you get in these wild situations. And some people do and some people don't. And I don't blame people that do either. Some people do change because they have to because life is so different that you're like, privacy becomes a key and priority. But he's been the same.

And I'm sure with you guys, it's at least what it seems like is things are the same. Yeah. I don't think that anybody is is changed really yeah that's good i mean you're you're listen we're always getting older and wiser and evolving our opinions and whatnot but you are yeah i don't know if he is i think he's kind of staying the same age he is he's like a forever no he's getting there no he is he's he but i do agree i think trav is he's a very comfortable person in almost any scenario. He's such a unique individual.

I've never seen him uncomfortable anywhere. Yeah, he moves pretty seamlessly. Yeah, and I haven't seen him change one bit. That's good. I think it's a compliment. I think that he stayed true to himself. Yeah. He's still humble.

He treats everyone with the utmost respect, like they're equals regardless of who they are. Right. I mean. When you told the story about, you know, when he got in trouble in college and you like went out of your way, has he ever done anything like that for you? Either in the more latter years, maybe? Has he like flipped on something where you're like, wow, Trav really helped me get out of something that I... I love that you're asking me this question.

Well, because the brother of it all, right? My brain always goes to like, as we get older, right? Like my sister and I have gotten significantly closer as we've gotten older. When we were young, you know know i hated her i i loved her but i hated her and we always battled and then we got older and we both realized that we're so much more in common than we ever thought and she's been such a great thing in my life and as we've gotten older it's become more and more apparent as we've grown through heart trouble and problems

and family stuff and you know what i mean yep and i see that with you guys and i'm always like what it has has that flipped back to you see travis remembers that that college situation differently than i do i don't feel like it was as and i think he was the one going through it so he sticks with him more like there was something sure i think he overstates i think what i did more than what i feel like i did i'm trying to remember like trav i would say that the biggest thing that just stands out is i asked travis's opinion on a lot of things because travis um and i really mean this has probably like some of the best instincts just in general

of anybody I've ever talked to. And nine times out of 10, I'll come at something and I'm trying to think it out and I'm going somewhere with it. And he just says something so point blank. I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's all it fucking comes down to. Right. It's like, and he's just, he has the ability to just think of things and like cut away all the, you know, bullshit outside of what you're trying to figure out. It's just right here, man.

And he's helped me make a lot of big decisions in my life that way. And I think. Was retirement one of them? Retirement, he hasn't ever pushed me in. I think that he's fully known when I... Like, he knew I was going to retire this year. That was the first time that he felt like I was going to retire, I think. And I think part of it, just like your sister, like, we think about things differently, but we also...

We think about things... So we know how each other think. So it's very easy for us to talk about something and have this back and forth dialogue. But at the same time, he just has like this ability to think about things from a different perspective that I'm not usually focused on. And it ends up steering me in the right direction almost every single time. That's so nice. The vision is so different. You know what I mean?

almost every single time. That's so nice. The vision is so different. You know what I mean? Like you both are, it's just so funny to be so successful and so unique in the ways

that you guys are successful, which is, that's what's so interesting. Same sport, but not. You know what I mean? No, absolutely. And I think that

the way we think actually helps for specific sports. I've always thought, like center, it helps to be like an analytically type thinking person, right?

Yeah. Like it's like, listen, we have three guys guys over here we have too many guys over here so we need to point the protection this way or we need to call this in a run game to account for that right like it's like a math problem almost that you're solving like that's you're you're you're taking in space and numbers and leverage and you're computing that to try and put the team in the best situation from a blocking schematic standpoint travis he thinks about things and it's still analytical but he thinks about it more in my opinion from like an artist standpoint like he's like creating and like he's doing things that like this isn't been talked about before He just knows to do this based on what's happening. Yeah.

And, um, and my dad still, like, even when we were kids, he would tell this story all the time, how he thought Travis was smarter than me. Probably still does.

He's probably right. We both got the same Lego set when we're kids and I opened the box and I opened the instructions and I put the thing together piece by piece following the instructions. And by the time I got done, Travis's was already done and he just looked at the box and put the thing together. Right. He didn't do any of this. Yeah. He didn't look at any of the instructions, just put it together. Right. So, um, you know, it's that right lane, right brain, left brain. I don't know if that's a real thing, but he's much more of the creative minded, totally like instincts. Like that's how he's lived more of the creative-minded instincts. That's how he's lived his life, his whole life, and he's hounded that to perfection. Oh, yeah.

And I think receivers and tight ends, people that carry the ball, it benefits them to think along those lines, like even soccer players. I think if you think about the game more like that, you're going to be less predictable, and it pans out a lot of times. If you're trying to be too analytical, it'll slow you down and you're going to get too bogged up. Right. Football is a unique sport where there's still positions where I think

analytical, like evaluative, like thinking helps between like center quarterback, you know, baseball, like pitcher catcher. Like there's certain sports where it benefits you but for the most part like if you're thinking too much in sports

like you're screwing up bad news yeah yeah like golf is probably one that like well they say that i don't remember who said this but they said to be a great golfer you need to be a complete and utter moron or a genius it's like you need to be so stupid and just deaf to fear or you are so overt yeah that it's like you know almost a sickness and i guess the example would be like bryson de chambeau uh completely he is so analytical he's just he like down to like the it's stuff that you couldn't even imagine it's almost like too much because you're like trying to make you're trying to you're like a robot yeah he's got that like very like and do you know that the ball flight on this is a four tenths slower than and you're

like holy shit and then there's guys i'm not gonna name because i'm not gonna take shots anybody but there's guys that are not uh they're more uh you know just going with the flow yeah and and i think their brain doesn't get in the way they're're like, yeah, playing some great golf. Yeah, just doing some technical golf. Just like, yeah, I guess I know this. I know how this feels, and so I'm going to do that that way every time. Just going to hit it like this. That's the problem with me is I'm not that dumb, but I'm not smart.

I'm not smart. I'm not done. I'm right in the middle. That's why I'm an okay golfer. I'm not great. I'm not terrible. I just got fitted for clubs for the first time in over a decade. I've been in the same clubs for over a decade and it's the first time i've ever hit on a track man and i was like what the fuck is this yeah for people that don't know track man does all your statistics of your swing and it gives you everything fitted by these tailor-made guys and they're and they're like okay the launch angle is this we're gonna take the club move it here i'm

like is this real like this is all that goes into it? I thought, because the last time I got fitted, they had, like, tape on the ground. And you would, like, hit the tape. And I'm like, yeah, we're going to change it here. And then I come into this, and I'm like, how the fuck is this machine doing this? There's so many numbers. And I'm like, what does all this mean? I like that you just had, like, the brand new guy that's like, throw tape on the ground.

Hit the tape, sir. Someone else is like, what the fuck is with the tape? He's like, don't worry about it. I don't know. I'm trying something new. TaylorMade, did you go down to the kingdom down here, or did you go? So I got a buddy that was working for TaylorMade where I was going to get fitted out here. Last time I was in LA.

The kingdom is the best. I didn't make it. Oh, you got to go. If you ever get a chance, it's down in San Diego. We're talking about TaylorMade has this fitting facility, I should say is what it's called. I don't even know. There's maybe like six or seven bays. And they blessed me. I was able to go down there and do that and go get fitted. And shout out to TaylorMade.

It is incredible. I play the P7 MCs. P7 MCs? Yeah. 770, 7090s are like the more standard one. The 7 MCs are just like one above the Tiger Blades. The Tiger Blade is the hardest club to above the tiger blades. The tiger, tiger blade is like the hardest club to hit for sure.

The TW or whatever. Yeah. And I was like, he, and then like, I want to hit that so bad, but there's no chance. What are we talking about?

Why? What do I, what do I, why, why do I need that pain? No. And then, uh,

it's, it's the next level. That's, um, they're, they feel a little bladey. They're not as cavity backed, but they are a little bit there,

but they're beautiful. But when I got fitted, he was, you know, it is funny because I'm never nervous playing golf, but I was nervous there because, you know, there's a professional fitting you, and you don't. I feel, I was like, God, if I make a bad swing, he's going to be like, all right, let's, you know, let's try it. And it's not, it was a little nerve-wracking at the beginning. Then when I calmed down, we finally got it right right but it is incredible how much tech that goes into dialing you in it was crazy how just changing like the the like the lie yeah yeah like i was hitting like everything like not dead center they fixed that oh yeah everything i'm like peering it i'm like

how the hell yeah it doesn't work like this and also it feels very placebo effect because you're like, is this going to be the same when I leave? Exactly. Or is this going to be, am I going to get out there? I have a feeling it's not going to be the same. Of course not. That's how everything is. You're like, well, back there I was doing the thing. I was just murdering a dead sea.

Little baby draws all day. Yeah, just a little butter draw on the top. Are you playing a bunch now? I've played more up to this point than I've ever played. Yeah. And I'm doing that uh tahoe event for the first time you are you got it that's awesome embarrass myself no you're gonna be great um put in a call for me will you i'm trying to get into that are you i keep saying i want to get in

it so bad we gotta get you michael pena has said multiple times he's like i gotta get you into that thing i was like i know i'm gonna i want to get in there i can't believe i'm not famous enough you got to be a little bit above me. Stop. Give me a little bit more time. I'll be there. I've taken your brother golfing a few times, and it is always funny to watch. I actually haven't been golfing with Trav in a long time. He's good.

He hits it way too far. Comically far. And a lot of times it goes in the wrong direction, but he is good. Sounds like me. Too far in the wrong direction, but it's good. When it goes. Yeah. Too far in the wrong direction, but it's good. When it goes straight, it's like unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Yeah.

But percentages are low. Yeah. We had a guy one time that made me laugh so hard. It's like, it's a rule kind of that you don't bother celebrities and you leave people alone and you don't, you know, it's just kind of like, don't take pictures and just everyone gets to play golf and leave everybody alone. And this older gentleman and, you know, you know, your brother, you know, he's like the sweetest guy on earth. And this older man,

he comes walking up and he's like, I don't ever do this. It's like that phrase. Yeah. Yeah. And then he goes, but Mr. Kelsey, I am such a fan. May I have a photo? And I kind of gave him a look like come on man you know like you know you know the rules yeah you know that you're not supposed to but he was an older guy so whatever let it happen and then travis goes of course bro and doesn't even think twice because your brother doesn't think twice and he goes to get out of the golf cart and the guy takes a photo with his phone of just travis in the golf cart he doesn't want a photo with him. He just picks up his phone and goes like that, and he goes,

thank you, Mr. Kelsey. So just that. And Travis and I drove away. We were dying laughing. He goes, I thought he wanted a photo. I go, that would have made sense. Yeah, that would have made the most sense. He just took a photo.

Has anybody just taken a photo of just you before? Yes, and usually it is an older person. Yeah, right. They just take a picture, and they go, thank you. See you later. Which I respect because I thought, I know my dad. He's not that old. My dad's going to hear this and be like, I know Donald.

But I know my dad. He probably— He doesn't want a photo of himself. He's like, I don't want to be in that photo. No, it's going to look stupid if I'm in it. He'll be like, let me get it near you or I'm taking it of you. I get the old man mentality of like, I don't want to look at myself in a photo. When was the first time, because we said we'd get to whiskey when was the first time you you got drunk do you remember the first time you got drunk when you

were a young lad a trouble boy high school we talking freshman year sophomore sophomore year sophomore year um what is that 15 16 right around, right around then? I think I was 15. I might have been 16. Yeah. It was right in between. So I was 15 at the start of the year. November 5th, I would have been 16. 16, yeah.

So I don't remember what part of the year it was in. Right. But I remember there was a house party that one of the guys was throwing. And the first beer I ever had was a Milwaukee's Best. And I was like, what in the fuck is this? Like, people drink this fucking shit? Why? Does it make me fly?

Yeah. And I was like, I'm out on this. And then somebody handed me a Natty Light and I was like, oh, I get this. There it is, baby. Dude, I wish I had a photo to show you on my phone a natty light and i was like oh yeah i get this dude i wish i i get it about a hundred i wish i had a photo to show you on my phone because i would show you when we were in college uh that was natty was uh uh 8.99 a case in arizona you could buy a case for nine dollars and we had so many of those that my my roommate at the time mark he was like um we had a bunch of holes in the wall

from parties and he was like oh man if the landlord comes by and then evan and mark got this brilliant idea they were like we have so many cases in the garage what if we cut up the natty and put the cases on the wall as wallpaper we had wallpaper of natty ice natty light cases all it like lining our living room love it right and then people come over like this is sick and i'm like do you see the holes behind it it's gonna cost us a bunch of money yeah so that was the first time you got lit up at the at the house party yeah and we so i mean this is a little bit somber but there was a big uh drunk driving accident when no right before i got into high school yeah uh and three of like the local hockey players that were like heroes in our community ended up dying in it and uh the

biggest thing that my parents wanted to avoid was drinking and driving so their big rule was like listen we know you're in high school we know you're gonna have a couple every once in a while we we do not want you getting in a car with being under uh the influence or with somebody else being sure we will come pick you up like nobody's gonna be drinking at our house but like if you're out doing whatever we just curfew and then you don't drink and drive those are the two things then you're good yeah and you probably broke curfew though for sure a couple times yeah yeah where are you at i like, I'm just around the corner. I'm coming. The other side of town.

Yeah. I'm already here. We're getting there. I'm right outside the front door right now. You know that. Yeah. Yeah, no, that was the first time we, actually, that's the same guy, Matt, that we used to get autographs with.

Matt and I got drunk. We stole his father's, a bottle of, it was scotch, I think it was. Yeah. And, you know, just vomit everywhere. Yeah. Because we had no idea how to drink it was yeah and you know just vomit everywhere yeah because we had no idea how to drink it you don't know how i still don't know how to drink bourbon bourbon yes scotch not uh scotch not my what's your go-to liquor go-to liquor probably whiskey whiskey is it i would say whiskey but i don't i'm not whiskey predominantly especially if i'm drinking it out of a glass yeah just straight whiskey right uh or bourbon or yeah

yeah the whole genre for sure um but i'll drink tequila i'll drink vodka all that stuff like what's the no-go what's the no-fly zone what do you not absolutely not drink i don't know that there is like a no-fly really yeah i'll drink I'll drink. See, mine is spiced rum. Spiced rum. Captain Morgan and I, we had a breakup years ago, and I'll never go back. The smell of it. I was like that with tequila for a while. The smell of it.

Sometimes my dad likes rum and Cokes. Like in his summertime drink, he'll drink rum and Coke. All the other times, either winter, he likes martinis. Yeah. But rum and Coke, if he's sitting by my pool. I do love a good rum and Coke. Oh, man, he loves it. And the smell, when he cracks the bottle, I'm always winter, he likes martinis. Yeah. But rum and Coke, if he's sitting by my pool. I do love a good rum and Coke. Oh, man, he loves it. And the smell, when he cracks the bottle, I'm always like, can't do it.

I was like that in college with tequila for about four years. Yeah. And I eventually, like, got it back. But Jose Cuervo drank a whole bottle of that too quickly one night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It teaches you bad. Yeah. And just the smell of it would just ruin my night.

Yeah, that got me that was for a long enough time where now it's okay but i don't want to be near it enough where it's got the remnants in the back of my mind yeah yeah the danger the danger uh the danger of going back to that time the flashback so i do want to ask you a question yeah it was because so i know you're a whiskey aficionado bourbon specific i'm not that i'm not as smart as many of my fans are smarter than I am. You said rye. Rye is like typical Irish whiskey, right? Well, so no, rye.

So this, so rye, which I'm not a huge rye guy. I know that's a, I like it just fine. Sure. A lot of people, a lot of people criticize that. It's like, well, rye should be kind of a part of your palate if you do like bourbon. If you're into it, you should be. Yeah, it's just a different chemical makeup,

just a little bit different of a blend, right? But I like bourbon. Maybe it's the corn in me. Maybe it's like the old, the Midwest kid. I don't know what it is. But like with Irish whiskey, which I don't particularly love i know and i should i know the internet's calm down the internet starts to shoot at you sometimes when people are like what

are you what are you talking about i don't know man i like what i like leave me alone yeah i like american air though i like american kentucky bourbon i really like i like bourbon from kentucky i just i've always been something about it always hit me in the right way. Like scotch, I've tried a million different kinds of scotch and I like it just fine. It just, it's for you. It's, and I, like you said before the show, when you asked about, um, ice or not, rocks or not, I've said this a million times, the, the, the master distiller at Buffalo Trace, I asked him, I said, Hey, can you clear up this, you know, controversy? And he says, how do you like it? I said, I kind of like it neat. And he's like, great, then that's how you

drink it. I said, I know, but what's like the right way? He's like, that's not a real thing. There is no right way. How you like it is how it's, there is no like, you're supposed to drink it with it. That's not true. So I love that. And every time I take that to people, there are some people that have kind of snobbish thought about it. But, uh, the way I used to love it was my grandmother and my grandfather, they always drank, um, Canadian whiskey, which tough. That's a whole nother thing. Real tough. Yeah. They drank Canadian whiskey, um, Manhattan's, uh, and, uh, my grandmother always would say, she'd go a couple, a couple of cubes of ice is all the water I need for the day. Like, that's the water.

It's going to water it down, and I'll have, like, a little bit softer of an evening. And I thought, well, that's probably the smartest way. If you want to slow down the hits, put a little bit of water in there. Yeah, just a little touch of it. There is, like, some video I watched on YouTube one time where it's, like, a guy drinking scotch. Yeah. some video I watched on YouTube one time where it's like a guy drinking scotch. Yeah. And he said that like the correct way to drink it is to have like a small amount of like cold water in it. Oh, really? Just a little while. I know this makes it more palatable and you get more notes in it.

Sure. I was like, all right, cool. But I feel the same way. Once I've learned that there is no real rules, it's the same way I felt anxious about wine. Like, I don't know if your wife likes wine, but every time we go out and she gets wine, I feel dumb. Because someone's like, how do you like that one? I'm like, tastes like the one I just had. Yeah, dude, I have no idea. Tastes like the other red one I just had. And by the fourth one, I'm like, this is delicious.

This is absolutely delicious. Where is this from? What region? Like, I know. I like when I walked into a liquor store. Yeah, these grapes got way more tartness to them. Yeah, is this notes of pine? They're like, no, of course it's not pine. I'm so dumb when I go to buy wine.

I'm so bad. I go right up to the front desk and I just go, tell me something that's within this price range. That's all I need. I don't know anything about it. Well, there are so many good wines though that are like very affordable right yeah well i mean everything that she gets at the house i'm always like this is great this is fantastic yeah it's she knows how to pick it i think it's like with bourbon i think it's easier to know there's a much bigger difference right right right you know shitty shitty bourbon you

know pretty quick right away and i'm not throwing anybody under the bus but typically when you go to just like a regular bar and they have their front shelf or bottom shelf or whatever you want to see. Yeah, they're well. The difference of non-aged bourbon, non-aged whiskey, it tastes pretty, I hate to say flat, but it kind of tastes quick. It tastes like it's just in and out. There is not like a long depth of flavor. It's like ethanol heavy. It's like all you're getting is the alcohol.

It's gas. You're getting that gas. Put that gas in. Which, hey, if that's what you need, you need, right? Yeah, like when I was a kid once, my dad is from North Carolina. If you're going to throw in a bunch of Coca-Cola, you know, it's... If you're going to drown it, yeah.

One time I had moonshine. Have you ever had... Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, real moonshine from like... West Virginia. Yeah, from like Toothless Ruthless. Yeah. And honestly, it is unbelievable that people can consume it.

I'm shocked people can drink it. Yeah. And also, after like this much, just like two fingers of it, I was like, holy God. I don't know. I was ripped. I was like, how do you drink this all day? And those dudes can drink that and go to work. Yeah.

Just be like, love it it's rubbing alcohol essentially right yeah it's clean your arms with it and then take a shot of it yeah it's insane yeah i was just at so old smoky distillery which is a moonshine company down in tennessee i was just there oh nice doing a thing with them and um the the uh i didn't know this but apparently moonshine you make it the same way you make whiskey. You just don't age it like it does. It doesn't age. Yeah.

That's the only difference. Yeah. And that you don't pay taxes on it. It's illegal. But that part's good. Yeah. That's the part I like the most. Right.

That's why it's usually clear. It has no, there's no color. There's no colorization because, you know, all whiskeys are clear until you've thrown it in a barrel that's been charred and toasted. But yeah, when you get that though, the alcohol content is so high, right? It hasn't, it's barely been touched. You're really drinking it right from the source. And there's people that can handle it that really like it.

And I, it's violent to me. We have a, so I did not experience this, but we have cousins in West Virginia. My dad growing up would go there onto the farm. They have a farm out there. And he's playing pickup basketball one time. There's no running water, right? This is like true well water, like outhouse in the back. Oh, yeah.

Right? And if you want water, you've got to go to the fridge. You've got to get it out of the jar that's in the fridge, or you've got to go to the well. Fill up that jar. You better replenish that jar. Yeah. You better replace that jar, kid.

So he's going there. After he's playing basketball, he runs into the house to get some, what he thinks is getting water out of the fridge. Oh, shit. Grabs the wrong jar of clear liquid. And that was his first encounter with it. Like taking a big old swig of moonshine without asking questions. Your dad goes permanently cross-eyed. Yeah, like what?

Yeah. Wait, is he, now he's from West Virginia, your old man? No, we have relatives from Western PA, West Virginia, that we've kind of lost touch with, to be honest with you. We had some cousins in West Virginia that we went to a couple times at Farm, and it was like,

it was just awesome. I just never forget driving there in the middle of the night, and it was just the the blackest of black that i had ever seen yeah i'm like there's like no street lights no nothing and i'm like where the fuck are we going like all you see are two headlight beams and you're driving into the abyss i love that and we get there and um that was my first like time ever experiencing anything like that and it was i don't know it was awesome i mean they took, it was like winter, either that time or the second time. I still remember

that they had like a, an old tire tied with a rope to a four-wheeler and they would just take us around. We would be sitting on the tire and they'd be like whipping us around the field. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So it was, it was fun. It was unlike anything i had ever been to uh they had a bunch of animals and you know dogs and everything so it's just like where the hell are we at right now you need that by the way those winter experiences that's the one thing that if i ever have kids i need to put them in a place that does still get winter because the days were like we would go anybody we knew that had a car that was only rear-wheel drive,

which so many cars back in the day were, and we'd load up and just do donuts. Spin that thing out, and if you hit something, you hit something. We never hit a car, but you hit a curb a couple times, maybe a pole. Yeah, we're fine. We weren't going that fast. But those days were so much fun. It's like those winter days of causing trouble in the snow. Yeah.

So imperative, man, to your growth. Yeah. The tire, I mean, come on. Yeah. days were so much fun it's like those winter days of of causing trouble in the snow yeah so imperative man to your growth yeah the tire i mean come on yeah by the way so dangerous so great there is something in travis we were just debating seasons on the last episode he but winter really i have that like you fucking crazy like winter in the city sucks yeah like it's an inconvenience yeah it is but to your credit like football football when snow comes down it's like you're a kid again yeah and i feel like snow just in general no matter where it's at like if it comes down like shit just like changes your attitude something yeah shit like even in philly you'll see people like if it's bad enough you'll see people like on skis going down broad street

like the whole city is shut down because it's too much. And it just turns into this equalizer of like, hey, we're going to negate whatever anybody had planned for the rest of the day. We're all just going to be big kids. Yeah. And there's something beautiful about that. I think there's something about that that's important. I agree.

Well, because look, I've been living out here. I've been living in Sunshine for a long time. And it's great. But the thing that bad weather does is it bonds you to your your peers yeah inherently this kid's from minnesota he knows it's like you know you live in the shit together and so it helps your community kind of come together and it's the same way in football or anything when you go through adversity with other people it just brings you closer you're going to be closer yeah right that's when we had to deal with that?

I climbed Mount Kilimanjaro with Chris Long. It was terrible. Especially last night. I was like, why are we doing this? Was it just you two? You and Chris? No, no. Sorry.

So he has a whole foundation, Waterboys. Okay. And they do—well, they used to. I think they're still doing it, but they would climb Kilimanjaro every year with a bunch of wounded warriors and a bunch of NFL guys. And you'd make the trip up there. Guys would climb Kilimanjaro with like missing limbs. Yeah. I climbed with a guy with a missing leg.

And he probably beat you. He did. Yeah. I got visibly like, like, like, so the last, the last day you're there is like the big one,

because then once you're above, I think it's 18,000, your body's officially like no longer replenishing the oxygen, unless you have like a oxygen deal. Like you're above, I think it's 18,000, your body's officially like no longer replenishing the oxygen unless you have like an oxygen deal. Like you're losing oxygen slowly. So you're slowly essentially dying. Yeah, you're dying. So the trick is like once you get above that, you want to go as fast as possible. Get to the summit, take your picture, do your stuff and get down.

Yeah. And, you know, we're moving slow and the big guys consume more oxygen so like all the big guys like we're gassed and these dudes that don't play sports but they're in the military for years have they're just crushing us yeah guys without legs he's i'm like god come on you guys that guy's in a wheelchair and he's on top of kilimanjaro i can't get all the way up that's's something I never, like, I can't. I don't know how people do that. You can do it.

Well, when we used to go, we had family that lived in Breckenridge, and their house was almost at 11,000 feet. We would sleep at 11,000. That's really high for a room. So high. So those first couple of days, even that, like I'd have crazy nightmares or bad dreams or bad sleep. Sure. skiing the next morning and i would be yeah i'd be like dude i am a c-level guy like this is bad so 18 000 to me is that seems like i mean i could do it i just feel like i would

need to train for it yeah did you train or no i did zero training ah what they said like especially training your boots because you don't want to like get blisters or whatnot because when you get blisters you're you're oh it's over yeah but no i didn't you didn't train and you got yeah this is like you're like well you're a pro athlete well i'm a pro athlete but we also it was a very like you know white collar climb like we had people helping us they carried you yeah like there was a lot of assistance here like i was carrying my bag and then there were two guys that were like locals and they're hauling gallons of water up to the

next stop right chief and cigarettes on the side i'm like yeah this is right when you see the sherpas that are like smoking a butt they're like come on let's go come on guys you're taking forever what's the name of the foundation just so i know again water boys water boys go check out chris long water but But, um, I want to thank you. I could talk to you for hours, but I know you got to get on. I appreciate you so very much.

Um, everyone is already aware of it, but, uh, go watch new Heights. Uh, incredible. Uh, can't wait to see you on Mondays.

Uh, we end the episode the same way. Look in that camera right there. And you say one word or one phrase, uh, that's going to cement the episode we used to be a phrase then it was a word some people like for you know like a a little something or some people like one solid word so whenever you're ready in that camera so we're telling

is it one word or one one you can pick it's can pick you can pick it used to kind of like an example yeah some people say like uh keep on keeping on Some people have a little coined phrase. Some people say stuff like tequila. It could be one word like that. Just something that you think would end the episode properly from your perspective. End this episode. Oh, my gosh. Something in your heart and soul. It can be very meaningful.

It can be stupid. It doesn't really matter. I'm going to steal this from a good friend of mine. Do it. Life is worth living. In here, we pour whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey.

You are that creature in the ginger beard. Sturdy and ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse. Gingers are pugilist. You owe me $5 for the whiskey, $75 for the horse. Gingers are hell. You owe me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse. Gingers are hell no. This whiskey is excellent.

Ginger. I like gingers.