Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Neal Brennan's Ayahuasca Trip

Episode Date: November 27, 2020

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest today is one of my favorite people on earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean it. Once again, today, it's Mr. Neil Brennan. Neil Brennan. So good to see you. Show the kids your shoes. Buddy, these are some World Cup.

Apparently, that's the EU flag. I got these in a store in Toronto, let's say, whenever the last World Cup was. When was the last? I don't know. Somebody died today, by the way. Maradona. Maradona.

Maradona. What is he from? That's all. Diego Maradona. He was a man of big appetites that means cocaine

hookers it's a nice way of saying hookers yeah he looked it's so funny when soccer players

are young like all pro athletes he looked like he was good looking he was in phenomenal shape there's no I would argue that there is no

better looking group of athletes than soccer players. Oh, interesting. World Cup, it's, you see women watch the World Cup? Yeah. Yeah. They're just, because they're not massive. They're just fit and cute and team players. That's true.

And they got a lot of lung capacity. You don't think, I guess, yeah. What about the women aren't watching the nba finals huh well they are but they don't they're and also they're racially ambiguous like the soccer guys are yeah yeah you don't right i just we both just went maradona he's not yeah he's he's south america yeah central america but what honestly that as well. Who knows? They're down there. Yeah, that's right. They're racially ambiguous, so they kind of represent like the... Like your parents aren't going to be that pissed. They'll be bummed.

They'll be bummed, but they'll keep it to themselves. They'll tell your sister, and if it gets back to you, then that's what happens. But they're not going to come out and say... He's got lighter skin than I thought. Huh, yeah. He's a lot lighter than I thought, actually. He's nice, good-mannered. You know what my...

This is a bad story. Somebody in my family told me, they go, yeah, this guy moved into the neighborhood, a light-skinned fella, very nice. And I thought the preface of the light-skinned fella very nice and i thought the preface of the light-skinned fella was like the weight of going he's you know yeah but we like we like him categorized yeah yeah light skin the light-skinned fella turned out to be not bad so we like we those we like yes there's a it it has to do with his, it's his skin. They took into consideration his skin color.

Right, exactly. Prior to even meeting. Yes. And then they go. And then, yes. I like this. I like, this is the one I like. Yes.

It is true. And they, but by the way, they'll give themselves dark skin credit for that. For sure. What do you mean? That's my black friend. That's my black friend down the street. It might as well be Yafit Kodo. That's my, that's, my... Yeah, no, we have

black friends. Or when people say my gay friend. My gay friend is a weird thing to announce. I don't really... For some reason, it bothers me so much when you say my gay friend. And I've said this before on stage. I used to have a joke about how

you'd never preface someone's sexual either preference or proclivity or you would never do that with anything else. You only do it with my gay friend. I would argue. Yeah. Gay people may do it. If they're all talking to, if it's gay, if it's gay on gay conversation. Yeah.

They may say a straight friend. My straight friend? Yeah. But because we're gross to them. Yeah. Yeah. They're like my straight, my yucky straight friend. My straight friend? Yeah. Because we're gross to them. Yeah. Yeah, they're like my straight, my yucky straight friend. I guess that's true.

Maybe they do, maybe, yeah, maybe they do say my straight friend, but I don't, I don't, Or they'll say and then be like,

he's straight. Or you go, well, I don't, They'll be like, then we'll do it. You know how they have conversations. They'll stand, they'll act it out.

This is straight. I'm a businessman. I'm going to work guess what sexuality is he's he's my my straight friend but i guess i've never i mean you know i've never prefaced it with that when i hear it it's always like oh you're wanting me to know that you have gay friends which i don't i would i would say they're giving a gay insight if i say my friend, it's only because it's like they, now the problem is he's one person. He doesn't represent the entire community. Right.

Unless it's Sean Hayes, in which case he does. And then he does. Sean Hayes is the leader of the gays, which is, I think that's on his Twitter profile, is I'm the leader of the gays. Kind of like how RuPaul for a while

was like the only representation I knew about trans. By the way, and who is it now? I guess, well, there's huge ones now. You don't know who they are. I don't. I'm not good at that. No, I'm not. But I know that there's big names.

No, someone told me the other day, Roxy. Yeah. There is one that looks like me that's i you know when you see when someone goes so-and-so it looks like you and then you look and you're like yeah pretty close acid betty acid betty is is uh her name that's your that's your that's my it just looks i mean it's it's funny cut to it if you have if you cut to stuff acid we'll put acid betty right here in the middle of us with a picture of of me. Just side by side. Yeah. And Acid Betty has your style.

When somebody says you look like somebody and it actually does in your mind look like you, do you admit it or do you go, I don't know? I have, not only do I admit it, I have a probably 30 pictures of people on my phone that people will email me. That you look like? Or they'll DM that I look like. Next time I do a talk show, I have. email me that you look they'll dm that i look like that next time i do a talk show i have i have who else do you look like i they're just regular people the guy who was like he stuck a finger up my booty yeah the guy alabama game yep everyone's like neil brennan that does look like you yeah and what am i gonna do of course it looks like me i know the look it's

like i know the look so i can't be like fuck you i i think guys are more accepting than women are of that looks like you well the only woman you can say that women look like is audrey heparin everyone else is an insult has to be a dead hollywood star yeah no no it has to be audrey heparin that's it because because marilyn moreau there's two she yeah yeah right she fluctuated right no it was more weight issue uh it was like you're too thick yes right audrey hepburn always uh size one or zero skinny and pretty right so it can't just be any and yeah for guys you can say anything because if it's an insult it's funny and if it's a compliment it's surprising you're

like oh shit yeah you expect someone to go you know like uh someone's like oh you know or like if you know what i'll get like if somebody has a it's an insult or a dig they'll be like shut up ed sheeran and you're like i look nothing like ed sheeran yes i understand what you're doing yep i'll play along for the joke it's lazy writing writing. Yeah, it's just very cheap. It's very cheap. Yeah. But I'll take it because I get it. It's a joke. But when someone goes, like, I don't see this, but somebody once goes, you kind of look like Michael C. Hall, Dexter. They're like, you kind of look like a redheaded Dexter.

And I was like, oh, that's kind of, it's funny because you settle in. You go, oh, wow, that's a compliment. He's a handsome guy. Yeah. I'll take it because I'll go, oh, that's a compliment. What do you give yourself. Yeah, I'll take it because I'll go, oh, that's a compliment. What do you give yourself out of 10? I'm like a seven. Yeah, I was going to say you're a seven.

I'm like a seven and a half if I'm really killing it. If I'm feeling- Are you better looking with a beard or? Better looking when I'm as low as you are. When I'm much lower to the face, it looks better. When my hair is cleaned up, I look better when I'm cleaned up. But now that we're going through this

and I'm growing my fucking beard out for the show i can't trim my face and do it they yelled at me when i cleaned up they're like it's not gonna match i was like no one's gonna know literally no one's gonna no one's ever been watching television and gone that guy's beard is shorter than it was two scenes ago nobody will uh the unless it's dramatic unless it's a tyler perry unless like it it if it's in the same scene people will notice of course kind of sure uh but even still it's got to be pretty obvious like the third lead yeah no one's gonna know i i also don't i don't think anyone's following this story closely enough to go like this is day two yeah and it's afternoon exterior day three the sun was up in the what did he trim he didn't have time to trim his beard

so are you is it oh is it like 1917 where the movie takes place yeah does dave this season take place in one long shot it takes place and we are we're doing bird man we're doing the exact same thing that's fucking cool it is kind of tight it's kind of it's ambitious for sure without a doubt but dave wanted to do that he said i want one camera one camera one shot no sound so really cool yeah and no rapping no no rapping so we've got some good we've got some non um you know this will be a fun game no i was gonna say i'll just name the names of the guest stars that are coming the amount of people that are able to get as a guest star is this season they'll be able to get whoever they want yeah i mean first

now people now they'll get in calls they'll get incoming they do there's a few people and i wish i could like leak names and just say them but it's funny to think how big sometimes that in my mind i'm like they have time to do that shit or they even like want to come everybody's got time i know well for tv because it's easy to jump in jump out like a movie is much harder commitment if a tv they're like oh i can you mean i can it's in la and i can come for an afternoon yeah fine i'll come in and leave everyone's got four hours for something they want to do the busiest person bill gates bill gates doing a podcast like come

on i know isn't that ridiculous he's like yeah i'll do it i'll do it bill gates by the way put out an article that said uh um it's like seven things that will forever change the world did you see that did you read that uh seven things will forever change the world recently because of covid yeah he put it out like last week the new yorker i think threw it out and it was basically about um you know look he was like uh office spaces and office rentals will yeah completely it'll be it'll be gone it'll be changing people realize they'll never they don't need to work where they live and live where they work yeah that was really interesting because we're doing that now but i'm like i want to know what i'm interested to see what the numbers are going to be when covid's over to see how many people don't live anywhere near where their job is.

I also had the thought today that a lot of people are going to have to stop being comedians. I remember when it first started, a few people said this is gonna this is gonna like kill off a lot of people's careers totally and i kind of didn't and then i'm starting to realize like oh yeah you can't my mom asked me like what what are comedians doing who need who need checks who need money for and i'm like i don't know i said that i had a discussion with a friend who is in that category a couple days ago and uh it's everything from uh uber postmates it's whatever the essential shit is that you can still do that's the only thing that there's also like but then they might have to move from la there's oh that's that's already happened yeah yeah but i'm not talking about uh tom and no no no no no i'm not talking about Tom and... No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm not talking about...

Rogan left because he couldn't afford it. He couldn't afford rent. Rogan couldn't afford it anymore. In Valley Village anymore. It was bad. He moved to Tarzana and got a studio, and his wife and kids couldn't do it. No, I do know a lot of...

Even with the Spotify money, he still couldn't make ends meet. I heard it didn't even come through. I think it was a bunk deal. It didn't happen. Yeah, I know guys that move back to where they're from and that and even there now they're doing moving in with their parents and they're still doing um postmates delivery like whatever they can do to pick up even checks back home because they're like well how long is this going to be

yeah i thought about that my dad it was like if i moved back with my parents fucking nightmare like a fucking nightmare that back with my parents, fucking nightmare, like a fucking nightmare. That would be my biggest nightmare. Also, the nightmare is going to be the amount of pilots that are about that

in the next pilot season. There is one. Isn't there? I mean, first of all, there's 10 every season. Yeah. Next time it'll be 40.

It's going to be even worse. Yeah. Well, I wonder what's going to collapse with the business as far as like that kind of stuff. It's like our people who used to get, you know, I said this, I said it before, I don't

know what show I was on, but I said this movement of like more diversity in Hollywood and like the push for more like black stories or people of color stories. I was like, great. Can we also use that same energy to take away all these jobs from these old, white, rich people who just get handed jobs all the time and they don't do anything anymore. I was like, let's do that. If we're going to really go through it, if the people at the top are chattering about being like, we want more.

It's like, OK, then fire these five dudes that I see all the time that I know do no work and get fucking huge checks. And I'd say to their face now, I'd be like, oh, I know do no work. And get fucking huge checks. And I'd say it to their face now. I'd be like. Oh I thought you were down with. Yeah. This whole movement. That you wanted to like.

Open up this industry. Because you're cool with firing down here. But how about all these dudes that I know. That don't do shit. And they're making six million a year. Sitting on their hands. Yeah. Get rid of them.

Well that's where. They would. You're asking for something that'll never happen. Which is people doing uncomfortable shit. Yeah, yeah. For the... I'm turning my phone off. Yeah, that'll never happen.

I know, but that's where you know... That's where I'll see all the bullshit. When you're like, we really want to promote and create diversity in the business. And you're like, okay. How about these guys that I know don't do shit, but make connections? They just connect this guy with this guy and they get paid fucking bank yeah how about get rid of that guy then because that guy's not a real job i was talking to somebody's cousin

something you brought you're talking about mike's cousin uh someone you brought up which is the in the the thing about covid that in the this whole year year is that it's not very interesting. No, it's boring. I told somebody, it's like a traffic jam. I don't want to see stories about this. Right. It's the same. It's just like I'm stuck in a thing with a bunch of shit.

Did you think people were going to have creative shit come out of this? Because I initially thought, you better be writing, dude, because when this is over, that's what I used to have. There'll be one good idea, but it'll be six years from now. It'll be like Chernobyl was 25 years later. Like, oh, that's great. It won't be bad. It'll just all be the same sort of thing right and it'll take a while for somebody to have a great idea around but it's not interesting like

that's the thing about it it's like it's it's life if life before covid was like at the volume was at nine right now it's at three yeah and you just think oh okay it feels uh the stagnancy is very strange and also the repetitive nature has kind of gone that's what i really want to get into with you is the the what it's done to the brain like what it's done for me mentally has been at night when i know i'm usually going to do shows plural when you're like i'm revving up to do three tonight or whatever after dinner now my engine is like at first i have high anxiety anyway just as a human i'm i get that second wave at 5 30 and i'm fucking good till two in the morning now that my body is the second wave of covid go ahead okay it's when it hits you twice maybe now my body adjust adjusted and i don't have the energy after dinner and it makes me miserable mentally it fucks my head up i did shows last weekend

last saturday yeah in san diego and it was so much better than not doing shows oh my god it it but it like reinvigorates your your physical and your mental gets like the spike, you know, the endorphin spike and that energy surge. It's so healthy for your body. But now after dinner, if I don't have, you know, I've only done like four shows. Now that I'm not doing shows, I feel fucking miserable. And I think it aids in the depression. It aids in the shit. So finding ways out of it has been like my big thing again.

Running again has helped me a lot with all that shit. You don't run, right? I have a treadmill that I do interval training. So I'll just do like. Do you have the one where you push it yourself? No. Do you know the one I'm talking about? Is that the slanted one?

Yeah. Divot looks like fucking punishment. People love it, dude. Fucking divot. People that have it absolutely are obsessed with it because it's your own body weight that has to get the momentum going. And the moment you stop it stops so you're not gonna get you know when you're on a treadmill and you get that like yeah yeah so you escalate you you you we talked about this off camera and i want you to talk about it you took ayahuasca

ayahuasca i didn't well i guess i did do it as a result of covid uh ayahuasca is a plant that grows around the nile no not the nile the amazon the amazon and um i've heard of it and i've like sniffed around because i've done every anti-depression thing you can do. Microdosed mushrooms? Did you do that? I'll get to that. Okay, great.

Microdosed? Absolutely. But like... Somebody sent me microdoses. In fact, via Instagram, someone just sent me candy microdoses. It was one of the greatest... Really? Whatever you call what we are, fame things.

Whatever that is. That's ever happened. Yeah, the microdosing in the mail guy sent me a bunch of microdoses and a bunch of shrooms like amazing anyhow good dude uh great man um so i've microdosed i've done t it's all in three mics i've done tms i've done ketamine i've just done all the shit so uh for some reason i never did ayahuasca and it was because you have to be off antidepressants you have to be off ssris the number one the which is zoloft it's most antidepressants are ssris the ssri stands for selective serotonin reuptake

inhibitor which means your uh brain something good happens your brain shoots out serotonin sure my brain it either dissolves quickly or not enough comes out or something's the matter so ssri means it's a reuptake inhibitor meaning it leaves it out on the field longer ah it's it doesn't it inhibits the reuptake so basically it's like shoot serotonin suck it back in suit back with ssris it leaves it out leaves it all on the field as it were um it all comes back to the 85 bears yes it should as it should ultimately greatest of all time um dude uh and so i, it's me, so I have to name drop. Rock sends me, Chris Rock sends me an article about ayahuasca.

And he's been on his own psychological inner, he's been working on himself. The long story short is, when I was was doing three mics he would call me every day and be like don't kill yourself don't kill yourself like just fucking which is his way of caring because he's a grizzly as i say he's a grizzled detective and uh that was his way of uh being uh thoughtful i would finally just be like what the fuck is wrong with you like i kind of beat him into doing more inner work so he read about ayahuasca it really helps with ptsd it really helps with depression yeah relapse with all this stuff and he's like we got to do this i was like okay so then i realized like i could go off ssri i'm not i have nothing to do you have to wane off

them yeah you can't do you can't because if you drop it well like yes if you just stop even if you wean or as you call it wane you just my it's just my favorite guy name that That's all. Is, you'll get these zaps. Yeah. That are like, they're like, they feel kind of like orgasms, but with nothing positive. Huh. They like, it's like a zap, like you're a little dizzy and your brain just fucking zaps. But it doesn't feel positive. No.

It just feels like something's changed. Hey, hey, hey, hey feel positive no it just feels it just feels like hey hey hey hey is it just feels like not like hey don't do that like i don't like don't sneak up on me like that it's like that kind of thing um uh so so i was like i can go off ssri so i i i i weighed myself off and and then probably four weeks before I also called, I got the number, the ayahuasca number guy, the ayahuasca guy number. Uh, yeah, it's it, he communicates telepathically and by phone. Got it. And, uh, I'm here for all of the, the shitty spiritualism jokes.

Yeah. Why not? Of course. Why not? Why not? Why not? Ed Sheeran, I'm here. And I forget the trans person's name, but I would call you that right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Acid Betty. Acid Betty, sorry, AB. I'm really happy that we're doing this because I'm trying to communicate that my recall is good. It's very good. And I'll get to why it's good. Okay.

my recall is good and I'll get, and I'll get to why it's good. Okay. So I've, so I go, I call the number of the guy and I got his number from a, he like a huge Hollywood person. Like that way. If I told you that this person gave me the ayahuasca number,

you'd bet me that they did. Weinstein. No. Like, not. Yeah. Yes. But Bob, not Harvey. Oh, cool. His brother.

Yeah, his brother. That's fine. So anyway. A person that I would have never guessed would do this. Yes. That's what you're saying. Okay. Yes.

Like, who you consider a square, a real square, but not. Turns out not. Is it a man, by real square, but not, turns out not. Is it a man, by the way? It is. Can I get two guesses? I'll write it on a piece of paper and give it to you if you want to show, make a Santino reacts video. So, Rock rented a house, this is six weeks ago. Okay.

For the ayahuasca, for the ceremony ceremony and saying like you got a group of people well yeah rock had rented a house in malibu just on some rich guy shit and then this and then it at rock's place and uh it was unlike anything i've ever done wait hold on step back real fast yes before we get to there i need to know because i'm ignorant to the setup like i've seen people i've seen i've watched it on television I've seen documentaries about it but like your experience

to me is more important because I see these and I'm always going it's almost like when you see someone do something you go well my experience was never like that

like the shaman first of all you cannot communicate what it's like first person I mean that's what I'm saying so give me the outside is more important

to me than the so like the shaman is there with you the whole time and he's from where where do you where does this he's a white guy right but he lives in southern california he lives in in uh joshua tree and you say hey man we pay you to bring it to us and you have to stay with us for 24 hours or whatever they take it with you oh he takes it with yes okay so it's like that. It's like it's a horrible drug. It's not a good deal.

I've heard it tastes disgusting, right? Yes. Do you throw up? Some people do. Did you throw up, I guess? I did not. Rock did. Bijan did.

See, like when you first did mushrooms when you were young, did you do mushrooms when you were young? Did you throw up from those? So I had friends that would throw up every single time. And I was like, I wonder why. So in my head, I bet I wouldn't throw up from ayahu and i was like i wonder why so in my head i bet i wouldn't throw up from i was because i didn't i don't have that reflex thing that i know people that when they take shit that tastes bad they're they automatically there's a weird thing in ayahuasca where when you puke you're purging you you bijan bijan i call it bijan i thinkichon sounds nicer. I know. Purged up

familial anguish. Like felt it and is different since. Jesus Christ. That's the shit where you're like, okay, I don't know what this is.

I didn't have that, but it is a bit, I compared it to like squirting. We're like, did you puke? Did you purge? And it's like, it's fucking doesn't matter if you purge it.

It's a thing that can happen. I don't think his, his experience is more valuable than mine. Of course not. Here was my first experience at, at rocks place. Um, the first hour was, you know how on mushrooms, mushrooms are great. Yeah, I love them.

So in mushrooms, you'll have three or four funny tangents a minute. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, bits in your head or that person, that association's bits, funny rhythms, whatever. The firing is so fun. You're like, it feels like it's snapping into new. funny rhythms whatever the firing is so fun you're like it feels like it's snapping into new ayahuasca was like 30 a minute to the point where i was laughing at how good it was where i was like i literally was like wow we're just like zoom zoom zoom yeah as if someone kept flipping over

pictures of something or like yeah but you're there technicolor 3d and then and then you're there, Technicolor, 3D. And then you're like, and then it would just go. And now it's this. Oh, fuck. And it was like, I was laughing. I was literally laughing at how impressive it was. Wow. Where I had the thought, if, if, ayahuasca is like a tenured professor at Cambridge

and it made mushrooms look like University of Phoenix online Arizona State Arizona State Arizona State so uh it was like oh mushrooms bless you sweetie but this is like I can't all right so I don't want to break away I have so many other things to ask you but I want to I want to try to focus my energy because i'm excited to hear your experience of it are you are you laying down on the floor the whole time we're all in uh we're all basically like we cleared out the living room of that we pulled the couches out and we all had cushions and sitting up because this is something that people that have used psychedelics or drugs over the years know i always mentally have to be in a group.

If I'm doing a lot, like if I'm, if I do a lot of much, not if I'm migrating, if I'm doing a lot of mushrooms, if one sitting, if I'm like, I'm going to knock out this,

you know, this eighth or half eighth or whatever, I have to be super prepared. I want to be comfortable in my clothing. It's called set and setting, set and setting. I need, I need all of these elements to be like,

so for me, I've seen ayahuasca often they make you lay on your back or on the floor and that gives me anxiety because you don't you're you're actually sitting up okay good because i can't lay down that freaks me the fuck out like i you we weren't supposed to lay down and then rock laid down and i was like well he did this big star uh yeah the the ceremony i again i use all the the queerest terms no but i'll but i'm but i'm into that because it is it is ceremony the only reason i do it is because it's so powerful it's real it's a real thing and it's powerful that i don't call it a drug it feels it's like

calling it a drug it's like cursing in front of your mom where you're like fuck i just shouldn't do that i don't know if something feels wrong or your grandmother um so i may like because we're about to do a thing i like brought all the lights down and made it made it uh you know i made it made it nice. Make it nice. Make it sexy. Make it sexy. I kept thinking of something

Charlie Murphy said one time which is a real nice environment. I think it was something about Prince or something. Is there music going on? There is not. So you all one at a time take the cup.

One at a time. You go up and drink. Give me a mount. I want to know all the amounts. I say four or five ounces like no i would say two oh it's like nothing yeah it's not it's the it's kind of backwashy including the taste and the consistency let's go three ounces okay um and the shaman though takes way? Shamans actually I've come to learn take not a lot because they have to kind of babysit. Right, because they can't get lost in the silence. Yeah, that makes sense.

So my first 45 minutes, I'm like laughing at how strong and powerful it is. What's the time frame between when you take it to when it kicks in? 45 minutes. So 45 minutes of stillness and then you're there. then like is it abrupt no it was like uh-oh it's shroomy it's a shroom on yeah yeah yeah we're like uh-oh which i love it's so funny the waves are so great we're like oh my god and it just starts to come in that's my favorite um and and I I

I heard your people it was actually an hour and a half hour and a half in people I heard talking because I from 45 minutes to

an hour and a half was when I that interval I was just like wow the whole time like holy shit

gee golly this is heavy and I heard people talking at 90 minutes they offer you a second cup okay is that customary it is customary I didn't take any because I was gacked

Rock didn't take any Bijan did and Bianca did because they didn't really feel they weren't really feeling it yeah i've heard that too some people don't feel the first yeah chunk of this bianca when she put it to her lips felt it on the second cup so it's just shit like that where i would if you told me half of the shit i now believe two months ago i would have like slashed your tires give me give me give me an example like what like did your spirituality level go through i went from being an atheist to i'm no longer an

atheist right there and i don't say that and everyone goes like welcome home i'm not talking about the corny bullshit you're into not me no not you no i'm welcome home i'm not talking about the corny bullshit you're into not me no not you no i'm talking about i'm not talking about church i'm not talking about my mom and i'm christmas no i'm not talking about that no no no just i'm talking about the after the after the second cup we all went back to our... There was a little alcove that I folded myself into. Wonderful. The rocks that I look like a bike under a desk. Because I'm very flexible.

You wouldn't know what to look at me. Look, I'm pretty cool about it, but I'm flexible. And I then spent the next two hours crying in gratitude for spending time with people. Yeah. Neil Brennan. Crying. A person cynics call when they want to feel less alone. Right.

Like crying. And I'm talking about try to blow your nose and you can't because it's like hard from the uh from from inflation jesus like crying bawling when was the last time you cried the same afternoon kidding uh no i don't know you know like enough of a while give me a real answer probably six months okay and i couldn't tell you what it's for but i'm just approximately that's important that's what i'm saying yeah like i don't i'm someone who doesn't know how to cry people die and i don't know how to cry it's the weirdest feeling i mean well the cool thing about ayahuasca is it was like there i was just thinking about stuff and i felt wetness

on my face i was like oh i'm crying and it was grat it's like in a romantic comedy like i'm neither happy dude it was it was that yeah um and so i spent the next two and a half hours in that world crying for two for yes in gratitude for time spent with people it's basically i basically had like a montage a really nice montage and a lot of it kind of bird's eye or drone's eye or god's eye view of the pacific northwest don't know why well you were there right so it just felt like you were on the you were on the beach weren't you on the ocean we were in malibu yeah so that's kind of one of the same yeah it's like your mind is like yeah it's giving you a satellite picture of where you were yeah so that was my experience and then that was the time number one that was but wait five weeks still hold on so so after the first round you don't take a second hit they do yes how much longer are they bianca was out i mean bijan one cup of ayahuasca

is about four hours bianca had a second cup and went into like nine hours holy shit she had a big second cup and again we talk about on my podcast but if you, Bianca had a whole litany. Ancestors talking to them. You need to value sexuality. You were a slave. Don't forget that. Jesus. Any, she had like what she would call mild OCD

gone fuck did you watch the real sports thing there's a real sports story about ayahuasca it's the first story up this month yeah hockey goon I love the movie goon no no not the movie but this

guy's a real goon did ayahuasca having all the CTE symptoms did ayahuasca No, no, no, not the movie, but this guy's a real goon. Oh, yeah? Did I... Having all the CTE symptoms. Did ayahuasca? Did ayahuasca. Gone. Really? I don't...

By the way, in the... When I... In the hour and a half, during the montage, one of the montages, I had the thought, oh, I'm going to be a zealot for this. I don don't know how i can't shut the fuck up about things i like i find a good ice cream i'm like dude you fucking so this is like oh like hey you want to change your life and actually change it what about the potential dangers are there uh no i mean the rumor is netflix did that unwell docu-series yeah a month or two ago and they found a guy who murdered his shaman but the guy was schizophrenic so if you're schizophrenic

yeah it's not good for you yeah like it's too much it's not for you but outside of that there's no health complications that people i have had no complications and that's one of the other things i like about it is that my brain isn't dim it's not dimmed at all it's not like weed or even shrooms i can get a little i can get a little spacey on shrooms microdosing at the end of the day with um with with ayahuasca. The dishes are clean. There's no. That's wild. Oh, man. There's nothing. No leftover.

To the point where when I talk about it, I don't know if you saw this. This is a perfect. This is so up your alley. A bunch of NBA guys went to meet the Pope. Did you see that? Yeah. One of them wore a tuxedo. Yeah.

Which is so fucking hilarious. Beyond funny. And he's right. Yeah. You don't wear it to a fucking fundraiser. Right. You wear it to meet the fucking Pope. I almost want to wear a tuxedo to talk about ayahuasca,

just so people don't, because the image is all these fucking goofballs yeah of course but that's everything right yes but what i'm saying is i feel like that's such a such a uh uh inhibitor for people that were they're like i don't fucking i'm not i'm not like those people but it takes those kind of people to try these things to get to a place like i always talk about this with weed right my parents have dramatically come around to marijuana for years right i've been smoking pot for and i don't really as much as i used to now but other than just lifestyles changed but 20 some odd years i've been smoking pot and how it was such a big deal when i

was a kid yeah my parents were so angry about Yeah. Knowing that my mother smoked pot when she was young as well. But like, as we've gotten older and the visual societal image has changed, it's not even, now it's, my mom will eat gummies. It's like. I did a joke where I'm like, I'm proud of weed. Where like, when I met weed, it was like living under the freeway. Yeah, it was so dirty. And now it's got its own store yeah like it's got stores up and down mount rose and sunset and all the big

street every city uh yeah that i again that's the problem with any of these experimental things right like even marijuana took so long to go from this um drug drug that losers use quote unquote to being now like an acceptable form of medicine for people and also recreational that losers use yeah but that's what i feel that that's how i feel like ayahuasca any of this stuff has to go through these like dramatic lengthy societal breakdowns before they even get considered to be like, okay, quote unquote. Yeah.

They have to get metabolized by culture. Meanwhile, because it's, what it does is supernatural. Right. That's the, like when you watch the, the goon guy on real sports,

A, it's totally convincing right well because you know that guy's not a good actor and b yes and b uh it's it you see what he was like right and you know what ct does to people right and then his wife's like yeah he's completely different um so that was the first time yeah i'll say rock didn't have as as profound a thing as i did or as bianca did or as bijan did let me say this too did you did you anticipate it or did it blow you away with it so so some people i feel like they say i went searching for something and i found it And then some people to me who have had significantly DMT too,

who have even more depth of an experience, weren't really kind of, they were kind of like, I'll fuck with this, but who knows? Yeah. And that exploded their mind. Then to me,

the gap is so much stronger. If you didn't, so did you, I didn't want to, I didn't. Yeah. I'm always looking. I fucking flew to China to get some

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No. So, never again? I don't think so. Wow. I don't know, but I don't think so. Is this the first time you've ever disconnected? Nah, I mean, I've gone off and on. I went off it for six months, four years ago.

Shit like that, where I'd go off and then something would happen. someone have it um the the amount of of uh of what it can do i just for me to feed so that was the first time is what i wanted is what i was gonna say so that was the first time so then i did it again two two weeks ago, a woman I worked with had recommended it years ago. And I was like, eh, I kind of waved her off. And then I texted her. I was like, I did it. She was like, all right, well, I'm a part of a church. There are churches.

It's legal in America. Right. It's a Brazilian religion a it's a brazilian religion called santo daime and so it's that and part of the uh ritual instead of like drinking the eucharist or eating blood of christ yeah they they drink actually the blood of christ they drink what it turns out is, they drink ayahuasca. So, and they give it to like 10 year olds. Crazy.

It's on national, you look it up on YouTube. It's crazy. Same dosages that an adult takes? I don't know. Wow. Look, listen, I'm not here to answer for them. I don't know what those people do. Well, you're the representation of the church. Yeah.

God, where's my tuxedo? So, I go go me and bajan and a friend of mine katherine go to santa clarita to basically a ranch house six flags close to a ranch house uh in santa clarita and we're a part of like a 30-person ceremony, which COVID-wise is the dumbest thing I've done. Yeah, bad news. By a factor of 70. Does it give you anxiety being with so many strangers? I feel like I like doing any kind of experimental drugs

when I know everybody. I'd just done it and I knew what it was going to be like. So you were cool with it? Yeah. The joke I made, it's all strangers. So the joke I made to Bijan was, real sex, take nine.

It felt like a real sex excursion where it's like, we like pony play. I'm like, what the fuck? It just felt like one of those groups. You say church, you say cult, it gets's into this thing you never know that they're like neil we take our clothes off when we do ayahuasca here and you gotta we all came in with covid mask and we kind of got the feeling like what are you doing yeah i think they said like

hey we did not do it whatever like you need it in case you part and off. So we took it all off and we took our masks off. Right. And we did a ceremony. This was a real ceremony, not like the first one. This was partially Shipibo tribe shit, which is you play music. The first guy played music. This was really tribal music. Like really.

And I'll play you the song. I'll send it to you. Don't play it. Because I sent it to Blake and he was like, this is terrifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody else was like, this is amazing. It's really. Drum heavy.

Drum heavy. But there's the female vocals on it sound like a dead woman singing. Oh, God. that that that i know would freak me out yeah hi when i'm high that would give me but that's it if the highs that you've had right you're right right it would give you this you're like yep because like bad music on mushrooms is it really is not good like when you're on mushrooms and you're peeking and it's like something very shitty and annoying no it's it runs counter to everything it's so wild so this was the right music right if and when you're there yes right and anyhow the first night i didn't i had three cups and it didn't work. Back to back? Like right away?

Hour and a half, hour and a half, hour and a half. Whoa. Didn't work. I took a thing called Hoppe, which they blow a pipe with basically fucking dust up your nose. And it's another kind of medicine, but even that, I couldn't part. It just made me sick. Turns out, the next day, everyone shared about their experience. Right.

So, I know I'm jumping around, but. No, no, no. I like it. And everyone's going like, you know, I think maybe you have a blockage and all this stuff. I was like, I, stop it. Yeah, don't. Don't, because A, and all this stuff was like i stop it yeah don't don't because a you don't know it's like like you don't know what i've been through like i flew to china right i've done a lot of shit try my foot my my my heart's in the right place like i am here for progress and the the shaman was like yeah you just didn't have enough i could tell by

your eyes being dilated your pupils are dilated i could tell you metabolize it too quickly so tonight i need to give you more this thing called vine which is it's whatever it's an app that's yeah it's just too yeah uh it's too long a story. But turns out second night. But hold on. Vine is liquid? Vine is. Okay. So ayahuasca is technically two teas.

Yeah. It's one kind of tea and another kind of tea. Right. When you combine. One has the DMT in it. The other one has the thing that your body your stomach like kills dmt yeah if you just drink dmt so the second ingredient uh deactivates whatever enzymes in your stomach that allows the oh so like body blocks it from metabolism yeah so it allows it it it allows the DMT in. Oh, wow.

I needed more of one of them. Right. So the second night, he gives me more of the vine. That's a lot. You've taken a lot at this point. I think I had three times, but it's still, I had five ounces. It wasn't, It's this guy. His brew was different.

It was thicker and it was it tasted not bad. By the way, while we're here, nothing in the world tastes worse than espresso. So and yet people have no problem in terms of tasting. It's the worst taste in the world. It's so bitter. You hate it. And when people go, does it does ayahuasca make you uh puke not like alcohol right millions of people puke last week from alcohol no one bats an eye right but there's another thing that makes me like hey hey hey i need to know about this

puking thing how many of you puke from for my call dozens of times you didn't didn't stop you don't even mention it yeah so uh so night two i have more and i the first hour and a half i'm like yep i got the right amount it's feel really good yeah feel really fucking good and then the second cup i i just go i i fucking blast off and the first part of it there was a like a relationship thing and so about like ending relationships or cutting up and uh that i did i ended up crying probably two hours there uh and yep about uh just morning relationship and then um to the point where i was mourning so much that i thought when I turn my phone on, that person's going to be dead. Jesus. Like that's how significant the mourning was.

Are they dead? They are very dead. I was right. And I'm a witch. They were not dead. So that was the first two hours. not dead um so that was the first two hours and now the interesting thing is you'll be having these crazy emotional deep experiences but you'll also be like i gotta fart in the middle of the shit yeah like i gotta all right arrange the blankets so you can do you zip out of your of this high

and to to fart or piss or shit you're not you don't you're not out you're just both you're right you're still there you're both you're just like all right like let me get the blankets right i mean honestly yeah uh that's the kind of funny part of it is like fucking at one point i was laying on the floor i'm like dumbass you have pillows right here like just like oh okay, okay, let me. See, that's what I would do. I would get too high. I'd overthink it.

If I'm overthinking stuff like that, I need to be, like, really loose. You're not overthinking. It's just stereo. It's like when you do stand-up, you're talking and you're thinking. It's, like, not. It's not new. It's not it's not new it's not impossible um this this place where i went the the place in in um six flags is so they hour and a half then they do a there's more kind of religion to it

um there were candles there was an altar there was but it's like more more idols than you praying to something no there is no ask for a guided no god no no guided meditation either no guided no okay but i was so overwhelmed me of course of course yeah uh and it's one of your dad's friends um how school yeah because what what choice yeah um it's how he gets his wife off his back that's what what else are you going to bring up in arguments i want you to go to church i do sweetie i i'm and i want you in the aisles doing the collection, Dan. What do you think? Where was I last week? We don't know. How about that?

We don't know. So what? So in the middle of this, I was so, and again, this is the feeling I had. This is, again, I had this not during the sort of religious part, the candles and stuff, and I had it during it, was this is an overwhelming spirit force proof. Right. Immutable. Sure. I'm as sure of it as my address. Which is, we're going to put it right here. It. Immutable. As, as I'm as sure of it as my address. Um, which is, we're going to put

it right here. It's right here. Um, so I, it was, I had the thought, oh, this is the first thing I, that's worth worshiping. This is the first thing I've ever felt that is worth worshiping and the worship has become talking about it to promote it well that's a whole other but a lot of my second uh journey was about like i gotta get the word out that's how i feel at one point i was i was like if i make a deal then i can and i was I was like, dude, don't do this. Yeah. Like, I just knew that I was a new. I know what a new convert looks like.

You're looking at him. Yeah, that guy. So. Because it takes a lot to get to the other side. Like, you have to be. Like, you know Shane Moss. You know who that is, right? Yeah.

And he does a psychedelic tour. Literally all about psychedelics and the Bahamas. Yes. He did have a. He had a. Like a mental collapse. he had a mental breakdown and then this is about coming out of it and then using drugs to like balance it out but he is a fucking scientist yeah and now decided all right now i'll talk about it and it took years to get there so you at the beginning right away i know that feeling of like

i gotta tell everyone about this yeah i because i feel and it's gotten like sort of the edges have kind of sure enthusiasm has again it hasn't waned it's been waned it's it's been a week and a half so again yeah uh there's only so many podcasts um but it was it it just felt like oh this is worth where it felt like the beef in raiders the lost ark when they take the cap off the ark and the angels are flying around before the melting it felt like oh that's what this is wow and i and i didn't see any shit it was just a feeling of uh timelessness uh joy beauty and sorrow now i'm, I rewrote two jokes the first time on it. Rock rewrote a script. And this time I said I had some of the funniest thoughts I've ever had in my life.

But you can't put them down anywhere. Yeah, I can. I mean, I couldn't explain it. Basically, some people do purge. So you're in a circle of it's 30 people you hear people purging yeah so one lady next to me purged and she as she was purging she went like wow so i started saying that she was the miles davis of purging and i kept thinking this i kept saying to myself this bitch this bitch fucked around and changed

music forever so you're still thinking like a funny person of course uh i started calling it the quasar because that's what little richard used to call himself the quasar i'm a quasar rock and roll is this all looping upstairs in your head it's just a thought like you'd have it yeah and then you're thinking about the thought and by the way anytime people would purge i'm feeling beauty sorrow timelessness and joy anytime a guy purged i would laugh because it was making me laugh just because you never all the other thing is the hoppe thing the dust thing makes you spit so the main shaman would be like you know guys and that's the key to loving yourself and it was that shit was making me laugh like i wasn't not me yeah i saw the same ecosystem uh

comedy wise right um a guy sang a song that was like no no dude that was unbelievably funny right where i laughed out loud at him. Like he stood up and started singing to everybody? It's so... The ayahuasca told him to go get his guitar. Of course. So now Bijan is out because ayahuasca told him that he needed to purge some feelings he had about himself.

So Bijan's outside. He purges a feeling he has about himself. Coyotes howl. And then the guy comes out. This guy's gone. And he gets his guitar. And Bijan said, he's just running into the walls and he gives the car like bang okay so like there's shit that's so funny so i'm yeah i'm having this timeless

beautiful love experience and then a song ends like one of the spiritual great songs and this guy i called him paul on my podcast hits his acoustic guitar like the beginning of hard day's night like gang and and kai is like no no you can't you can't do that right now it's i have a ceremony you have a whole thing so this guy had his own shit pop yeah yeah he was in it yeah um it like that but it wasn't dangerous and it wasn't it was and it wasn't he wasn't crazy it was just like some shit he went through yeah he was he needed to get he needed to get he needed to get it out yeah he needed to get it out um so that was incredible do you sleep is it is that at night this is not yeah you still we we had our first cup at this was the crazy part we had our first cup at like 6 30 and we finished

around 4 15 in the morning holy shit because there was do you feel sleep deprived when you're done do you feel exhausted no i feel you're gonna think i'm being grandiose but it it's how i feel i it's how i imagine people feel after they their childbirth not the not the mom but the dad the right the husband yeah the someone who's near it all yeah yeah and it's like my life just changed and like a thing in me is like different no but i i understand that i think the relativity is probably close you feel all the feet all of that energy and all of those new emotions take over the idea that you might be tired like it just kind of it's irrelevant it's like it's just irrelevant it's like yeah you're you're tired. But is there a come down or no?

No. Is it abrupt? We all like went to sleep various times, got up at 11. So no one had great night's sleep, but I wasn't a zombie the next day. Right. That's the other thing is like sometimes if I take too many mushrooms, the come down is really hard on like the getting my body to relax and to kind of click off the upstairs. I will say that it felt like the next day it felt a bit like I'd flown from Asia.

Right. Where you're a little like, you're like, I slept, but I feel a little jet lag. Sure. So it's jet lag. It's not, I wouldn't even call it hungover like that. It's not, I didn't have a headache. It's just, there's a little bit of a haze, like a little bit of a haze that's left over. Yeah.

The thing that I want, a couple of things I wanted to say. So the week, it's been nine days, right? Right. You can tell I'm lighter. Yeah, you feel great. Yeah, I'm lighter. You gave me a hug outside. It felt great.

Yeah. And that's from the second time. The first time, it was like somebody just put an obelisk or something, just like a thing in me that like, okay i'm not gonna be a dick at all because i had to direct three days the week after the first time so i'm directing a gatorade commercial so bijan was like are we gonna like not be capitalist after that i'm like well i got a gatorade commercial yeah so you're still gonna make money yeah um how do you think we paid for this house yeah exactly uh so i wasn't i just wasn't impatient i was just calmer i was more generous with my time my demeanor and same with

this one where i'm i'm more i'm just like your level yeah i'm more level I'm just like. You're level. Yeah, I'm more level. And what it does to the brain, what they know it does to the brain, there's a thing called the default mode network, which is basically, it's kind of what you're like. Yeah.

It's like, there's just the shit, like default. It's like your default. Yeah, like always going to get angry when that thing happens. Yeah. It turns off certain sections of the default mode network, like one of them being rumination. Oh, wow. Rumination being repetitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If they don't know, like, repetitive self-talk. Right. It changes it. It turns it off. And now there's a thing that they talk about integration meaning whereas black people and white people live together no it's uh it's integration meaning taking the feeling and bringing it into your life it's like you're downloading all this information right and taking it into your life and the and so now i feel like uh if

you may say oh you're better like you know after church it's like you're better after church for like one stoplight maybe yeah if that yeah it depends on where you go to eat after church that's more important that's correct you go to the pancake which pancake um uh not the one with the jagoffs this is all chicago jokes um the uh i don't the reason in my experience the region the reason most people's understanding religion the reason they want to be good people is because they don't want to do the time they don't want to they don't want the punishment right so they have to figure out you want to do the time. They don't want the punishment. Right. So they have to figure out, you got to do math about like, do what?

No, I'm not supposed to because I think there's a Bible passage. Right. Automatically. I don't even know. I don't even need to do the thing. I don't want to sully up the ayahuasca world right with it's like it's just kind of like i don't want to do that man right it's like at a certain point where you're like you just don't

want to play video games in your life or you just where you're like i I could, I have the drive technically. I don't want to have spent 10 hours today playing, trying to kill hookers. So that's where I am with that stuff. Where it's like, I wasn't nicer because hopefully God will hear. Like, I don't even believe that there is, I still don't believe that there is a man and the rules and a book and a thing um but i whatever that is is the thing that i i and it's not worship it's so much reverence and respect for whatever it is right Right. And I don't know what it is. Well, as someone who's never done it, obviously, I've always kind of felt the same way. You're kind of closer to where I am currently.

Like, you have always kind of been traditionally an atheist or a non-believer, whatever they want to call it. I've always been spiritual. I was never religious. Even when I was a kid, I was never religious. religious i was thrown into religion but i didn't enjoy it in fact i hate it i bitched about nobody enjoyed it and well some people find hope in it or they find a key and it works for whatever they're looking for yeah i get i yes and for me i i just there were, the only thing I loved was the idea of connection. I loved the idea

that like, because you learn when you make people laugh when you're young, you're like, ah, there is a connection to people. I can't,

that guy likes to laugh at the same thing I make him laugh at but they're nothing like each other. So you begin to understand how society connects and what kind of bonds us

and then as you get older then you're like, oh, there's kind of a pattern to all this stuff. That always my whole life has been reiterated to myself as spiritual. Something is connecting us and I don't know what it is and I can't even really put it in a thing. But I've always felt that way. That's why I think if I do that, it's going to make me understand it even more. Like even more, I may become even more linked and spiritual. I might join the church is what I'm trying to say.

We'd love to have you. But that's how I feel like that's because I've always, like this sounds corny. I don't care. I went with my college girlfriend to go see the Grand Canyon and I'll never forget. We didn't get a room, something fucked up and we didn't get there

on time and we had lost a reservation and we were broke we barely had any money so it was like this all this panic and concern over like what the fuck are we gonna do we drove all the way here like all this it was fighting and bullshit and um she had gone and this is the irony the whole thing we were at the fucking grand canyon i was at it and we're fighting i didn't even i didn't even notice it was there yeah and she had gone into one of these um motels to see if you know maybe we could get to stay there and we had she had walked up the thing because you couldn't drive there and so i kind of turn around and i'm not kidding it was one of those moments an experience where i saw the grand canyon and it all hit me again that i was like oh my god something is fucking something is real that's because it's so overwhelming and

that's a sobered experience whatever you want to say but those moments remind me of like oh there's got to be more shit i don't know what it is but there's got to be more shit. I don't know what it is, but there's got to be way more shit to explore because when you feel that feeling of a connection to either Earth or yourself or your past or whatever, something is there. I wish I knew how to articulate it. Yeah, well, that's, I mean,

everyone wishes they knew how to articulate it. It's brain dropping. It's inarticulate. It's a little tiny. It's inarticulable. Right. Until you do it and only you still understand which is why i i believe in something because only you understand the experience that you had you could be the

greatest order of all time you'd never be able to get it out you'd never be able to tell me yeah well i you get as close as you could but the thing about great orders is they make you feel like you're you've experienced it or just by someone being that good at something that excellent at something yeah that you're that you it feels like i mean i think that's why people like good-looking people i think that's why people like uh charming people yeah because it feels godly. It feels like you didn't. You're close. God likes you.

At the very least, God likes you. And what is it for me? God's okay with me? Looks like God's okay with me. God's third lead. We're buds. We're buds. God wants you to be third lead.

You know three is my lucky number. Yeah, of course uh I don't like that so that that that my I it's probably a trap but my trap is whenever I hear about somebody told me last week about you know a prayer sure of theirs that got answered and I wanted to go like this has got not this these are completely different things right i don't believe that uh any of my life's gonna be blessed in any way because of it i don't know i think your perspective will in turn manifest of course positivity so yes isn't that kind of one in the same?

Because you're not asking to receive something, right? And the idea of someone's like, I'm praying that my aunt doesn't die from this cancer or something like that. It's like, no, in this regard, because I do believe in these manifestations of like, if your energy is so changed now, it is inevitably going to change the way that people interact with you, which is inevitably going to change a host of things,

butterfly effect. Butterfly effect, yeah. So I do believe, in a way, the verbiage of asking for or praying for something, it's a little cheesy, but the understanding I have is that the energy you took from that that you are now putting into new things it's inevitably going to quote unquote bless you right and that's

the other thing i'm trying not to do which is profit from it meaning i'm gonna have really good ideas now. I think I could sell something. Don't you think that's part of the, that's the experience anyway. You were given this creative brain. Yeah, but I don't want to,

I, it feels again, this is one of the things where it feels wrong. No, but it's not because you were given the ability and the talent to do so. If, if that wasn't the case, you wouldn't. I'm sure many of those people that had experiences,

obviously different than yours, didn't get a creative flow of any semblance and have no – I don't think it can make an untalented person talented. That's what I'm saying. So then – But my point is as a person who was talented a month ago and now is talented, I would think – No, I still am. I did a show we're gonna check

check the meter check the talent meter i did good last weekend um i don't want to use it for that i want to use it for the i whatever happens happens yeah like i'm just not even gonna look at it it's it's it's almost like fucking wait until you sell a movie with ayahuasca in it. And you're like, look, dude. But I'm not talking about it. It's just like they won't even include ayahuasca. I'm just saying like I thought of an invention, like just thinking of things and or being funny. I don't know.

I'm saying not I'm talking more like the energy. I understand. And being more attractive and being more appealing. Right. And using it to make one million dollars making and using it for it doesn't feel like ill-gotten or it feels uh like that's not the point sure i'm sure it's not i can't it can't i i may it strike me dead if that's what i if that's my intention i would love right if that's my intention then fuck go fuck yourself right but that's not but if it comes along with it that's something if i make a couple zeros on that thing that's what happens that's what happens i

want to do it i want to are you down to do it again or no oh i'm scheduled to do it. I want to. Are you down to do it again or no? Oh, I'm scheduled to do it again. Oh, you're. How often now? I don't. I feel like I haven't even really done any more than scratch the surface of it. Oh, wow. Like, for instance, I'm in the morning thing crying and I have the thought, should I include my dad in this? Right.

And I was like no like another part of me was like or the the the plant or whatever it's like no not this time so there's stuff that i like of course there's a million unresolved things of course um i haven't gotten to the probable molestation that i'm gonna uncover get there get there get no but i but there are may yeah like i feel like the two successful uh journeys i've had were very much i call them like welcome to ayahuasca right intro yeah it's an intro montage i just checked into the hotel like and it's like, welcome to Iowa. And it's a fucking bunch of pine trees.

It's showing you all the stuff that they have there on the resort. That it's capable of. Right. And. If you're willing. Yeah. I feel like I found the right thing and I have a lot to gain from it how often would you like to do it i guess once a week really yeah but there's no sustainability to that though why not that

seems like i mean i don't know i'm not going to because it it's too much driving and it's just a lot. It's like a job. It's a transportation issue. But I might do it once a month. See, that to me is like when I was really like I want to do mushrooms a lot, I was like I think if I do once a month is about once a month is like a safe time to let me recover without becoming obsessed with something. Yeah.

Like I told, I told it was like, I'm the kind of person that if I eat lunch at a place, I'm like, fuck it. I'm eating dinner there. Yeah. Like if I find, when I found the dressing, it's sweet green, this spicy cashew dressing. I was like, oh, I'm just going to eat this every day for lunch. Yeah. And I eat it every day for lunch.

I'm just going to eat this every day for lunch. Yeah, and I eat it every day for lunch. And I've had salad every day for lunch since 1998. Yeah, since I've known you, you've only eaten it. Since 1999, sorry. So every lunch, salad. But dinner, you let it fly. Salad. Dinner, we let it all hang out.

Yeah. I kind of want to go. I kind of want to go with you. well now i i can go to that church one i can go to the private one and church it's like a literally a garage i'd rather do the private one i think my first trip in yeah that's what because i've been talking to bijan about what the best way would be um and he's like he thinks people should do a private first i just think it's i think because it is a vulnerable you're right it's a vulnerable thing yeah and i'd like to be around at least people that i'm familiar with yeah like did you ever

have a moment of maybe turning to someone and and expressing something where you're like i'm a little scared or i don't feel i didn't but but i know the friends did. Yeah. I know Bianca did. Yeah, see, and that to me is like something I would like a little safety net the first time to turn to a familiar face. Yeah. And go, hey, man, I'm a little nervous right now for someone to be able to be like, okay. Well, would you do it? We're cool.

Would I say that? No, would you? You'd be willing to do it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because I'll call the private. Yeah, I am willing to do it i'll call i'll calm

down right now and we literally could do it tonight i don't i i can't i could actually but um yeah we could do it tonight how much do you you don't need any preparation right oh oh well you the ssris thing there's a diet thing which, the main thing is just don't, you can't take SSRIs. There's some stuff of like, don't eat pork. There's, you know, there's a few of those that are contradictory. But you're vegetarian. Yeah, I'm fine. I'll be fine.

I eat meat, so that's not a good, what do they tell you, not to eat meat for a day or something like that? Something like that, yeah. You had a side of beef for breakfast, because Chicago. Yeah, I had a packet of bacon. How do you think I start the day? Actually, I did have beef this morning without a doubt. You grabbed it by the handful? Yeah.

It's just chunks of meat. Yeah. I'm trying to stop my... Yeah, like I want to do a... I want to do like a... Not like a party, but I want to do a thing where people I know that are interested that I think could benefit from it. I want to do a weekend because the second night is you can take some of the... It's still in your body.

So the second night is where shit gets really... Why don't you rent a house up in Ojai? I'll go. Seriously, let's do it. Of course. It's been a good year for you. Let's go. I don't know what that means. You know what it means. I, let's do it. Of course. It's been a good year for you. Let's go. I don't know what that means.

You know what it means. I do your books, dude. Oh, great. Thank you. Neil's doing great, so we're going to get up there and we're going to do it. I want to do it. I'm totally down to do it. I truly, genuinely, and being honest, I only want to do it with familiars.

That's all. You should. I mean, that's not the wrong. I don't think you're wrong. Yeah, because the church thing, in my mind, immediately I get anxiety. And I don't want to go into it having anxiety. So if I'm with people I know, I think my anxiety levels... Like, anytime I've ever done any drug of any kind, for the first time at the very least,

when it's with people I know, I feel great. Like, I'm just like, whatever. These are recognizables. I'm going to be okay like there's something about that safety net that feels good then after that you're like i'll go back onto that bridge and take drugs with that stranger and that doesn't matter anymore but in the beginning i'll walk into it all right we'll set it up um yeah because i'm i'm scheduled there's one that we're filming this on a wednesday there's one on sunday but it's

too covety yeah there's one on let's do a private thing for real okay i will let's do like a friendship circle private thing yeah a few people that we know yeah all right i mean because it's it it is it's it is great and we can live stream the whole thing correct i would love that we can somehow do whatever sagura, correct? I would love that. We can somehow do whatever Segura's doing. I want to do that. Yeah, they're doing lives. Yeah, we'll do an ayahuasca live.

I love it. All right. All right, Neil. Yeah, if you get a show, and where can they go? Where can they go? That's the question. Here's where, Neil, here's where you can go to see more of the live stream. You can check out Neil's podcast. Go on Reddit.

And also, if you want to there's on reddit yeah um but on reddit on the ayahuasca page on the subreddit there on the side there are two links to uh retreats and where you can do it so go to the subreddit uh the ayahuasca subreddit also if you just google ayahuasca retreat you'll be amazed in your area in your area yelp has a really good list of ayahuasca also if you just google ayahuasca retreat you'll be amazed in your area in your area yelp has a really good list of ayahuasca retreats you're kidding it's real uh trip advisor does and what how befitting trip yeah i know uh trip advisor has like a lot that should have been the original intention of trip advisor was. Well, there is. There's one called, I think, TripSitter. There's a website called TripSitter. TripSitter.

But, yeah, like, so it, the one thing that I will say, like, it's not a party drug. No, no, no. It's not a party drug. You are, if you have a relationship with your emotions or if you have any kind of interior life whatsoever, it's a great, great tool. Just use it as a tool. Right. Will you giggle? Yeah. Yeah.

But it's, like I said, the first hour is giggly and then and then you're then it's then you begin to explain it's then you're then it's the greatest of all start all right we're gonna do it also uh hopefully if we do it then what we'll have to do is do a second half of this we'll have to come back together and do this um uh in the meantime check out uh how neil feel which is neil's incredible podcast he does with bianca who he spoke openly about on this that he shared openly an experience about i don't know if sometimes people don't want to talk about i'm like she's probably cool because no yeah i know that's there's there's like certain there's stuff about people that i haven't included um

go uh go listen and or watch do all the Above Consume. There's an episode called Spirit Padre. That's about Ayahuasca. That's good. And there's one called Be Gacked. Be Gacked? Yes. Also about it. When you're gacked out of your pocket.

That was from the second one. Okay. Go listen to that. Go check this dude out. No shows, obviously, to promote because no one's promoting any shows. Netflix. Three mics on Netflix. Check out Three Mics on Netflix until he makes another one.

And in the meantime, we end the episode every way. I'm going to walk off camera. You say one word or one phrase into camera by yourself. Go ahead. Ayahuasca. In here, we pour whiskey. Whiskey.

Whiskey. Whiskey. Whiskey. You are that creature in the ginger field. Sturdy and ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is a curse.

Gingers are pugilistic. You owe me $ ginger gene is a curse. Gingers are beautiful. You owe me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse. Gingers are hell no. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers.