Whiskey Ginger with Andrew Santino - Sam Morril 2.0

Episode Date: January 1, 2021

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I say that for all my guests, but I mean it once again today. It's Sam Morrell. Sam, what's up? Thanks for having me, man. Dude, thanks for coming on. This is your second time on the show. The first time we did it, we were in, just for laughs, Toronto or- Vancouver.

Montreal. Vancouver. And that's so, I didn't even, all those kind of blurred together, those Just for Laughs, because I was in and out so fast, but we did it live. I'm always in for like one day. I land, I do the show. I know. But it sucks because Vancouver, Toronto, pretty good cities, man. Oh, they're great cities. I mean, every time I go, I have a really good time. It just, now the busier that you get when you're touring, you can't spend a lot of time there. That's why those moments, I always say that to young comics, those moments that you get to do JFL or New Faces or whatever, and people are like, they don't care about it. It's like, dude, cherish it because you're there for four days.

You should have the most fun. I mean, when I did New Faces, me and- Were we New Faces the same year? I think I was 2000 and I don't even know, dude. I feel like we were. Maybe we weren't. What year were you? I think 2013.

Yeah, 13 sounds right to me because I think 13. 13 sounds right. It was Normand, Ian Carmel. Carmel, right. Yeah, yeah. Brooks Wheeling. Yes, that was it for sure. Yeah. right yeah it was like uh norman dian carmel carmel right yeah yeah brooks brooks wheel yes that was it for sure yeah well we also did we also shot our half hours the same year yeah but that's the first time we really chat i feel like right yeah yeah when we were in boston

that was a great crew too that was like a huge it was me you brooks again show list uh it was great well that was funny because that kind of your new york class and our la class have kind of had the same you know comedy growth as far as those things go yeah and then you you guys not to make a cheap transition but you guys have taken it upon yourself to now start your own specials and put them out and sam's got a new special out right now yeah called up on the roof and it's uh it's up on youtube right now and you're out. And Sam's got a new special out right now called Up on the Roof. And it's up on YouTube right now. It's your YouTube page? It's yours, right? Yeah, I just did it this time. I did Comedy Central's YouTube the last time, but it's just time to bite the bullet. Right. I mean, look, the other one did great. It got millions of views. I

mean, what was it? The first one got how many? Almost 5 million. It's like 4.6 or 7 right now. That's crazy. Can you imagine? I mean, that's, you know, if only everybody paid a couple bucks for that, right? I know. So my mom says that shit to me all the time. I know. She's like, imagine if people paid.

I'm like, I do. It's crossed my mind. Every day. Every day. Well, that's what sucks. It's like people don't know. Look, I think the new musicians learned this years ago it was like well you got to give it to them because they they need it for free and you need

to find a way to monetize afterwards because for us it's about butts in the seats on tour right um same thing with musicians but we just we thought we could get away with it for years and it just you learn it doesn't work it's like they just got to give it to them man you just got to put it out there yeah man and uh i i very wisely put out a special in uh february because i was like i'll tour off this and then uh you know yeah what happened dude yeah nothing but uh yeah so i was just like fuck it i'm gonna put out another one on roofs because i was doing roofs every i was literally doing roofs every night and I thought you know what this looks kind of cool you yeah it started because I was doing uh I did a show in a backyard in Brooklyn and I get there and like it's like this pandemic shows are like just a joke man so I I show up and the the guy messaged me he's like oh it was supposed

to be on a roof but but they threw a party. So we're now in a backyard. So it's like a turf war. It's turf war for space now, outdoors. So we lost to some young kids who had a party. So now we're in some woman's backyard who is piss drunk and heckling every comic. She won't let me use her bathroom. So I had to go up to that roof and find a corner and piss before i went on stage and and then i go on and she's i should see her it's

her place so she's just heckling every comic she's a drunk yeah and uh and then finally she's like she like i had to like negotiate the terms of going on and doing a set i'm like you know i just spent like 40 bucks on a cab could i just go go up? And she's like, all right, fine. So I went up and it's not going well. You know, they're not like a hot crowd. It's like a backyard. Like they're all kind of like they've been there for a while. She just heckles me nonstop.

And I just start fucking hammering her to the point that I was like mad I didn't have it on recording. And I'm hammering her so hard and it's going so I'm like, fuck is a perfect like this is a perfect moment this is I'm so glad I'm someone must be capturing this no one records it until she comes on stage and grabs the mic from me I saw it yeah and she just grabs and goes get the fuck out of here and that's when I realized I needed to record these sets so then it just turned into like a whole adventure and recording roofs and shit well that clip you put up on your you put on your instagram right so that or twitter yeah i saw it somewhere yeah i saw it somewhere i thought that was hilarious but that's like the sentiment

of why i didn't do a lot of shows i've only done four to date yeah um here in la i'm about to do a few more but uh out here it was like the city was shutting down shows, and then I did one of the car shows, you know, the parking lot car shows. Oh, I'm familiar. Yeah. I did it. Was that Matt Rife's show?

No, it was, God, I can't remember. It was at the Magic Castle. I don't know what's wrong with me, but anyway, she put on a good show. They did a great job, but I don't want to be performing to people in cars it just was not humiliating it's really genuinely and i say that like up top we all make a joke like hey in march i sold out six shows in philly and it's great to

be here in front of a honda civic you know it's like yes it's like it's like we um we we joke about it but the truth is the truth it is it makes you feel like shit you're like this is embarrassing like this isn't what i want to do there is no connection i'm okay with outdoors when i can see faces and hear laughs when i'm looking at like tinted windows and hearing honks i'm like i i'm good it's taken us back to like how we started when it was all hell gigs when it was like yeah i mean i, I was talking to Bert Kreischer about this where I said, man, do you remember doing Amber shows where you're just like, a lot of people don't know comics would do shows where we get on stage and it'd be like eight people eating dinner in a restaurant.

Like you ready for comedy? And they'd be like, no. And then we just bomb. It was humiliatingate but it's like kind of what it because i did one of those shows i remember i left tulane university and i i i told i remember i told these like frat kids i was like i'm leaving school i'm gonna be a comedian and they were uh and then i did an amber show and the only four people in the crowd were those frat kids who were like good luck like, like you fucking psycho. And I just had to bomb for those four kids. And it's like that level of humiliation, it's like,

it never like totally leaves you. You always remember it. And weirdly those skills, like they've kind of come in handy. Totally. Well, dude, when I was doing these shows, when I did the first couple of shows, Segura and I did the first show together. We had, we hadn't done an outdoor show and we both did our first show together. It was me, Segura Burr. Wow. Oh my gosh. I know. Erica Rhodes, Ian Edwards and oh shit. But anyway, I mean, I know a lineup in a guy's backyard and silver, like, like some, I know, a lineup in a guy's backyard in Silver Lake, like some random.

And I remember talking to Segura before we went on, and Tom was like, are you nervous? I was like, dude, yeah. Isn't that fucking... I haven't been nervous in years, but I hadn't been on stage in seven, eight months, and I just was so freaked out by it. And then the moment I got back on stage, that exact same feeling of excitement, anxiety, this like this bubbling, pulsating moment. And then right as I told the first joke, I felt like the old days again. It was like, but I liked the feeling. It was like the first time I got high, you know, like the first time you got high, you're like, how could I duplicate this high over and over? And then the more you do it,

the more you like lose that thing. And so it felt good to over and over? And then the more you do it, the more you lose that thing. And so it felt good to feel nervous again. Two weeks ago, I did a backyard show, and I did all new stuff. And it was so hard to get through. But I'm glad that that's happening again. Because usually, at the store, I get to work out half new stuff, half old stuff, and keep blending and blending but with this i was like i might as well just go do all new shit because what some so much of my old stuff you don't like anymore it's like i don't want to do that it's been months and it's

not relevant and there's nothing there's no there's no you know weight to it anymore so oh i was going to ask you when you said those ambush shows um did you ever do um captain brian's show and marco island off oh dude it's like the closer my last special is naples it's like oh that's right that's right yeah yeah it's a big i get so many messages about naples and uh but uh yeah oh dude it's i didn't do marco island i did the naples one but i heard i did the I did the Marco. I heard that one's even worse. I mean, that was a hell gig. Dude, the stage was next to a frozen shellfish buffet. So right

to your right, I'm not kidding, is like humps of shrimp and crab. We can't compete with crab. Who doesn't fucking like... How? There's not a person who doesn't like crab more than comedy. It's better than anything we're gonna say right snow crab or this shitty redheaded guy's jokes at at 6 30 at 6 30 i think the first show was 6 or 6 30 brutal and then and he had to do and

his thing was he had to do it early because the second show couldn't go after a certain time because of you know marco island you know uh island law and hell gig oh dude it was so rough that was one of the worst weekends i remember uh i was complaining so much on twitter about that club because i was just like getting drunk in the in the back just being like fuck this weekend and to the point that my agent texted me like you might want to dial it down before the check clears and i was like no it's it's more important to me like i need this as a human right now to just complain that they uh the only thing that the only really uh fun thing about it and i don't dislike that owner or anything i just i don't like that he makes you call you uh captain i don't like that. He makes you call you a captain. I don't like that. Oh, I know he didn't. I barely saw him. So he would not do it. He was like, I'm not calling you captain. No, I'm not going to call a man captain. I don't, I don't, I don't remember that,

but I think he was a nice enough guy. The only great thing about that club or the thought of the thing I remember is there was an Irish pub in the parking lot of the Marco Island. And I became friends with the owner. His son was this young guy who came to the show and I still talk to them today. Wow. And he was great because every night to go drown my sorrows, because I was by myself, I didn't have a feature. This is when I first was starting the road. I would go to that bar and get shit faced with him. And it was, that was a really, that helped a ton.

Cause otherwise I would have jumped off that balcony that they put me on in the 15th store. For sure. I would have died at the beach. I was miserable, dude. I would, I would eat shit for 40 minutes.

Cause they think like, they think they're doing you a favor, but it's like, no, it's like, like, look, accommodations are important,

but at a certain point, like if you're just eating shit on stage and then hanging on a beach like you're thinking about walking into the river or into the fucking ocean like uh like the writer in the long goodbye like why don't i just get fucking why don't i just why don't i just give myself to the sea it's depressing man so like i obviously like you want a good hotel but if it's just one of those gigs that you're like, this is a four star hotel, the crowd's going to hate you. It's not. It's miserable. Yeah, it's miserable. I did a gig like that in Bermuda where it was like there was a nice ass hotel.

And then there was a guy coming backstage who was like a fucking psycho and like aggressive as hell with Ida Rodriguez. And I was like, dude, you got to like we got to get security or something. It's not worth it at a certain point. Right. Well, no. And they think it like, they're always doing you a favor. Uh, uh, Rodriguez. I love Ada. We went to, um, this is great too. I had never done Cabo San Lucas. Uh, Cabo has a comedy festival. Dude, I had never done it. They had asked me a few times. And then finally it's a bad, it's a bad show. If they're serving drinks with umbrellas in it, that's how you know. I told my, I told my old bag. I told, I told my lady, I said, do you want to go to Cabo for free? Like, let's just go. So we make a vacation out of it. I said,

let's just go to Cabo for free. They said, they'll fly you down. We'll just go have fun. And it was so disorganized. And, and Ada knows that I didn't know this. I said, uh, they hadn't given me a schedule of shows and we arrived a day after I was supposed to. So when I got there, they had like a meet and greet and all this stuff and all these comics, not to sound like this guy, but they were a little surprised I was doing it. They were like are you doing here and i was like it's a vacation and then and then and then they didn't give me a schedule so sam for four days i didn't perform once i got a free trip and i went back home that's kind of nice it was awesome i'm sure they were livid about it but i showed up to one of the venues and there was no one there yeah and the poor girl that was like organizing and she was like are you wanting to

go on and i was like nah i'm good i'm good that's on you imagine that's on them if no i know it was i mean that's insane cabo san lu any time it's in like a vacation spot though you know it's like if there's a senor frogs nearby don't do a comedy festival what are you thinking yeah like yeah if you're if your late show is in margaritaville and jimmy buffett's margaritaville just bail i just bailed i bailed i was like i'm sorry i'm not doing this i'm just gonna go sit sit with my lady at the beach it turned out to be okay but i felt kind of bad because i was like these people paid me to come down here i should have done comedy but everywhere i went the show wasn't happening.

Or if it was, it didn't start for like two hours after it was supposed to start. I mean, those festivals, until they can get them right, it's so hard to organize. I mean, look, JFL is still a nightmare. And they've been doing it for like 50 years. I mean, I don't even know. I know. It's still disorganized. I landed and I'm just like, I landed.

I remember I couldn't get into my hotel. And I'm like, you guys got one fucking job here. Just get me in a hotel. I've been up all night, you know? I know. It's amazing. And it's like, we're all at a comedy shape right now, which is so sad. I mean, what you were talking about before is like, I mean, it is kind of like, why would I, that's why I put out a special.

Cause I was like, what am I going to relearn these jokes in like six months and then do a special? I was just like, I'm done with this shit. You, there gets to a certain point where you're like, I'm done with these jokes. Let me move on. And let me just like learn a new hour as painful as that is as well. No, but it's, it's, it's helpful. I mean, it's, it's worth it because it's going to help you get stronger during a time when I feel like a lot of people are getting, not weaker, but getting stagnant.

It's going to take a lot of time for people to like rev the engines back up. But you're already around the corner, which I think was smart about it. And it looked good, man. You know, I was kind of jealous of the New York scene. This rooftop thing was so cool out here. I did one rooftop show downtown and it it was great but everywhere else you go is in some guy's backyard and i feel guilty because i'm like these neighbors don't want to fucking hear me yeah it's and the houses are right there i mean in la you know everything's

on top of each other like new york so imagine being on, we're in some guy's backyard. All of these neighbors are looking out. I mean, I did a show. There was an old folks home in the backyard and they were throwing shit. I'm not kidding. They were throwing shit down at the performers. Old people, bro. Old people.

That's how, we're pissing off the geriatric generation. You're getting pelted with Werther's originals while you're trying to tell us this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just teeth, throwing their own teeth. It was terrible, dude. It was just a reminder of like-

Of Marco Island. Yeah, Marco, of Off the Hook, yeah. It belongs, comedy belongs inside. It's so- Oh, I mean, that's the worst part is when you're bombing outdoors, you're like, oh, I just told 30 minutes worth of jokes in like seven. It's crazy. Because those laughs are just like,

even when you're doing okay indoors, you can kind of do your rhythm. When you're outdoors, you're just like, what am I fucking doing? So yeah, I mean the New York scene, it was funny when I was in LA for like a while,

there were so few shows. And then you get back to New York and they're like, it's on 49th street. And I'm like, where are they? Like on the street. And I'm like, all right.

So we literally be doing shows like we're beggars. We're like, it's on 49th street. And I'm like, where are they? Like on the street. And I'm like, all right. So I, we literally be doing shows like we're beggars. We're like, it's so humiliating, but also you get a couple laughs, you get a couple new jokes. You're like, I guess it was worth it. You know?

Yeah. I mean, it is. I mean, I was supposed to tour with, uh, uh, with Chrissy D and do a couple shows on the East coast.

And I had to cancel because I got COVID and I zoomed in. Fuck. Are you okay? How was that? It was fine. I mean, and I had to cancel because I got COVID, and I zoomed in. Fuck, are you okay? How was that? It was fine. I mean, I'm fine is what I meant. It was, you know, it was shitty, but I'm fine. I'm fine.

I've talked about it ad nauseum, so at this point, I'm just kind of like it's in my rear view, but it sucks. It was shitty. I hope no one gets it. I know a lot of people in New York, I know it's getting spread around right now to the comedy community yeah yeah it's pretty crazy

dude apparently everybody has sex with akash singh well i was supposed to do chris and janice's podcast and they were like they have to do it in person and i was like all right they're being careful and they're like oh they're being very careful and then like a week later i'm texting janice like you all right, buddy? Yeah, dude, I feel, I know that. It's just crazy how it sweeps and how it works and like, you know, how you get it or when you get it. It's a whole thing.

And I, you know, I just think, I think it sucked. I'm glad I'm through it. It's not fun. I hope no one gets it. That's what I say. Cause like, I don't know what's going to happen. Some people end up in the hospital. people don't i did it i mean michael yo taking six months to like feel good again and chris christie like doing jumping jacks out of the hospital you're like how the fuck did that happen i mean same with even trump you're like

i mean how the hell he's not in shape you know? And it took Melania longer to, like, if you're looking at body types, you're thinking she's going to get out of there with more ease than he is. For sure, for sure. Well, but you don't know, dude, those Russians, she's, she's, she's strange bird, dude. She's been eating cotton for years.

You never know what her diet is. But I was, but I had to cancel these shows. And so I just zoomed into the shows but this was my favorite thing to do to chris because you know he was telling me afterwards at the first show i was like how was it you know because i couldn't tell via the zoom and he's like it was fun but the reception was hard it was so far away it's outside in these fields you know like margaret's he's doing all these drive-in shows but they let me zoom in and the best part was i could say whatever I want,

and Chris had to deal with it because he was on stage. So I did a bunch of, you know, there was a security guard down next to Chris, this big black dude, and I was like,

Chris, tell your N-word joke. Do all those N-word jokes that you like so much. And he was like, that's not real. That's not true. I'm like, do it. I was like,

did you do your Nazi set? Did you do any of that, the salute? So I would just do a bunch of like anti-Semitic racist stuff, and I would let him have to deal with it. And then I just clicked out of the Zoom. It was great to just be like, all right, man, take it easy. So he just held your, like the phone up?

No, dude, they had the computer set up where I was broadcast on one of the screens. Yeah, it was wild. But he had to stand on stage where I was broadcast on one of the, on the screens. Yeah, it was, it was wild. And then, so, but he had to stand on stage while I was being racist.

It was, it was so wonderful, man. It's nothing more fun than setting your buddy up. It was like, he, he loved it. You know,

Chris loves that stuff. He walks, he walks right into that fire, but, but, but that was the only one thing about, about the, doing the zoom through COVID was I was able to just let it, hang him out to dry.

But I am mad. It screwed up doing shows. I missed a vacation. You know, it put me out for a couple of weeks and, you know, it was so stupid and simple. And I wish, you know, I wish in retrospect I didn't get it. I just hope I don't feel anything in the future. That's all. Yeah, that's the thing.

It's like, is COVID like acid? Is it going to hit you back in like three or four years like fuck that's maybe i mean that's the scary thing is is just not knowing but uh what is shitty what a shitty virus this is you know like well yeah it's all but it's also like i i've started to look at it a different i've gained some perspective in the idea that like you don't know what anything's gonna be in three or four years. So this sucks. It sucks. I'm through it.

But like, you know, I had a family member pass away a couple of days ago and, uh, Oh, no, it's all good. But I think like,

um, you know, you never know when that shit's going to be. Was your family member, uh, Darth Vader? Is that who it was? Yes,

it was. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Sorry, man. Sorry. I hate to, I know it, I know that hurts your feelings, but no, no who it was? Yes, it was. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Sorry, man. Sorry. I hate to, I know it. I know that hurts your feelings, but no, no, it was, you know, it was like, uh, one of those

moments where you just gain perspective again of you're like, nothing's good. Nothing's guaranteed dude. And he, and he, and he didn't pass from COVID or anything. It was just dude, life, life, life is fucked shit, fucked up shit happened. So to sound like a cornball, you know, it's like you have to just enjoy it. And who gives a fuck? Because it's over at some point, whether you see it coming or not. Oh, dude, if I saw like just like a year ago that I was doing a rooftop special, I'd be like, what the fuck happened to the world? I mean, like we could be performing in like Mad Max in three years. I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, you're right. You don't know what's going to happen. You got to,

this has really taught me to be present and, and a little more grateful for the good things. I mean, uh, sometimes you don't realize how good your life was. You're, you're like, shit, I didn't realize I peaked playing strip malls, but apparently that was, uh, those were the good days, you know? Yeah the simple the simple getting on a plane going to a new city having a good time the routine i was watching boy dan show the other day just like a rerun and uh obviously a fucking rerun i don't even know why i said that but uh yeah but like that watching those shows i remember watching him and being like, I got to make the most of every city. I used to just stay in my hotel sometimes.

And then I realized like, why am I not trying to find a cool food spot or like find something cool in the city? And I got a little bit better about that. So now I actually really miss like that routine of getting on a flight, trying to write jokes, trying to come up with some new shit, experiencing the city, experiencing the people. And now we're where we are and we're not going to ever take it for granted again, I hope. Right. Well, dude, I mean, that I miss a lot. I've talked a lot about that on the show because my dad traveled for years for work and he never really did anything in these cities. And I was like, I made it a point.

You know, I'm a baseball fan. I go to a game in every city. I love that. I love that you do that. Yeah. So it's like, I learned early on that I was like, I'm either going to be bored and depressed or I'll be depressed, but I'll be walking around the city. You know what I mean? Like when I was eating- Top shelf depression. Around people depression. Champagne depression. You know what I mean? Like you might as well be out in public if if the weekend isn't good and you're new you're new on the road and it's so hard anyway it's like

might as well just go enjoy how shitty uh the experience is like really suck it i saw i try to suck it up and just do it even if i was having a terrible time and if you're alone it was hard when you're solo on the road man good god i mean that I mean, my friend Carmen Lynch is a great joke about, uh, they, they, money won't buy you happiness. And she goes, you know, I, uh, I cried in a Mercedes once. It wasn't that bad. She's funny, dude. She's very funny. But I mean, dude, it's true. Like you're on the road and you're alone. It could be tough, but then also there is some, like, there is a a piece to it like that you can just go anywhere like sometimes i bring someone sometimes i don't but uh i love i love experiencing a new city man or just like going to an old city and having a

routine there's something comforting about that you're like oh yes i'm gonna go to this restaurant again or i'm gonna right i'm gonna i'm gonna link up with this person again i mean there is something do you ever do you ever go you ever been to indianapolis do you ever go to uh or I'm going to link up with this person again. There is something. Do you ever go, you ever been to Indianapolis? Do you ever go to St. Elmo's? Do you know what that is? I don't.

This is like inside, inside baseball comic talk. It's just that there's like a steakhouse around the corner from the club in St. Elmo's. It's like really famous, old, old indie. So good, man. Anyway, whatever. That's like. You got to go to St. Elmo's.

Do they reference that in Parks and Rec or something? I feel like they- Maybe. It sounds familiar, huh? Yeah, I've done every club in Indianapolis. I think Morty's, Crackers, Helium, the comedy ad. I think I've done every club in Indianapolis possible. How can a city that's not that big have that much comedy isn't that crazy too much comedy yeah i yeah it's way too much i remember uh fuck man crackers i remember i had a guy i was there new year's and i was just getting buried by a comic all fucking weekend this guy he would do okay his whole set, but his closer would just fucking bury me.

The bit was basically like he would say, so I went to a Backstreet Boys concert recently, and I noticed they serenade a woman on stage with a rose and a dance. So I thought, how funny would that be if I did it to a guy? And he'd bring a guy on stage, and he'd do do the dance and it would fucking blow the roof off of course to the point and by the way the joke is how funny is being gay look at this shit yeah that's the entire joke but in indianapolis turns out i can't fucking follow that and like night one or two i'd be like oh yeah look i guess you know i guess it's a good bit and then like night three or four i'd be like yeah some of some of us write jokes. You fucking asshole.

You hack. So like night two or three were good. Night three, he was like, fuck this guy. It got weird. The last show, you're like, hey, man, can you take me on stage and dance with me? Because I need to transition. At least bring me into your fucking closer. Oh, dude.

But those experiences and that stuff on the road is what like i think helps you just learn the road for when you do it on you get more independent as you go along just it's just all that shit helps it just helps shape you honestly and it's good it's good fucking material when you um when you were living out here how long were you out here for five you stayed out here for how long what was the impetus to go back to New York? You just wanted out of LA? I think I was staying with Taylor, and I think she said, you're going crazy here. You're a New Yorker.

I'm sick of hearing you complain. Go home for a while. And she was right. I needed to. I think it's like, you know, it was good for me to come home for a bit. I'm still here. I'll come back out there, you know, maybe later in the month or something. But, you know, it was much needed and you know uh i think the pace of new york i need i can't drive so that's that's hard for me in los angeles i'm such a city kid i'm fucking

worthless i she's also telling me like well maybe you'll learn and i'm like well you have friends who know how to drive who get in car crashes because of all the shitty drivers in L.A. Like, how much do you believe in me that I'm going to just, like, put it together? Like, I think I'm just fucked. I think I'm just one of those dudes who can't drive. I'm too old. There's a couple of dudes. I've heard a couple of guys.

There was, for a long time, Jordan Peele. Yeah. I had heard that he didn't have a license for like a decade or something like even longer that he lived in la because he didn't want to do it he just was like i'm not getting a license i don't want one out here i'm not from here yeah and he did it for a long time i mean granted he's been here now forever but this was back in the day he just didn't want to like just didn't want to do it because he was like it's a it a, it's a, it's a ripoff anyway. Living here is a ripoff cars. Cars are expensive. Like all of that stuff is like, it's almost more worth it to just back then take a cab now take an Uber. But I mean, you know, I get it. I get it

when people move here from cities that are like, I don't want to, would you ever move back to Chicago and move to somewhere else? Are you staying out there for good? No, I mean, I've talked on the podcast about, I love Denver. Yeah, it's a great city. Yeah, I was just there and I looked at some neighborhoods for fun. I don't know, man. I'm certainly not going to follow the Joe Rogan train to Austin. That's like not my... Not your train.

I'm not going to... No, well, I'm not going to blindly just go there because he's there. A lot of people are doing it and I think it's whatever, it's your choice. But I just, I don't have any stake in Texas. So it's like, you know, I have stake in other places that, in fact, we were talking about this. I was talking about this to my wife's family, but like, she was like, what cities have you

visited on the road that you love and i was like that's interesting because there were cities that along the way i've gone dude i would live here you know like i would like like i genuinely i think i love vancouver it's beautiful weather is yeah the weather is a little too shitty for me but i love vancouver the air in vancouver is is weirdly like you like especially coming from new New York I'm just like oh my god what is that not rat piss and garbage that's crazy that's the hard thing when Taylor visits

New York is I want to like sell her on New York I want to be like look how cool New York is and then it really New York is like a shitty roommate who like doesn't behave when she like like every time I'm like how great is this like a rat run out of nowhere she'll see a dick on a train it sucks so i i'm really like i'm just like ah come on behave new york but uh yeah vancouver and toronto and montreal are like three great canadian cities

so good i love them i mean i loved uh i loved nashville when i went there i've never been in nashville i was booked for the first time in zanies this year, and I couldn't make it. You've got to go, dude. It's such a great city. You would go to Nashville? I mean, it's great. I don't know if I'd move there, but it's one of those spots where when I went,

I had such a good time. It feels like Atlanta. I loved Atlanta. Atlanta is so fun. There's so much culture. There's so much like, there's so much life down there. But I don't know, man. It's hard.

It'd be hard to just, you know, it's hard to pick yourself up and go to a place where comedy isn't part of the social zeitgeist. You know what I mean? Like New York and LA and Chicago, it's like embedded in the culture. And you go to those other places. I think it's just a little bit harder. It's still it's not it's not there the way you're accustomed to and that might that might be totally and also just picking up and moving and then you being like oh shit this isn't this isn't what i want like look atlanta is great but like they don't have clubs the way la and

chicago and new york have and like right Skull is cool. It's like 80 seats. Punchline's cool. It's connected to a diner, you know? It's like, the room is good, but you're like, shit, I'm in a diner. This is fucking, like, it's weird that that's your, that would be your go-to club, you know? Right.

Well, you get, you get used to that kind of stuff, I imagine, but it's also, you know, everyone always talks about it or it's been talked about now, but I think it has a lot to do with like your lifestyle and where you are in your career people forget they're like you could live anywhere right and just you're like kind of like well now more than ever but still i mean with like right with the internet but like uh i mean still man i la chicago you bring up is like some comics live there chicago is such a cool city but i think a lot

of people i love it a lot of people just look at those winters and they're like i'm good uh that's what i did that's why i couldn't do it i mean genuinely i i just couldn't do it i want to go back at some point or at least be there for a good time chunk of the year you know like the summer but it's it i don't know it'd be it just i don't know if I want to deal with it now that I've been living, you know, in 75. I got lost in Chicago once and it was so cold that I like couldn't look at my phone because of my fingers. And I was like, I can't, I'm not going to find the place.

This is like, this is like my revenant. This is like as bad as my life has been. And I could probably just find it. But like no stores were open. I thought I was going to freeze to death for like, you know, a minute. I used to, I used to have to bring a, I'd always have a lighter on me. I mean, I also, cause I smoked pot in high school, but I'd always have a lighter to light my car key on fire to get through the, the, my door jams would, my, the, the locks would

freeze up. So I'd, I'd have to light the key so I could wiggle it in the door lock to get it unlocked. Prior to, before I had a, you know, we had the whoop whoops on the car keys. You had to physically put the key in and I'd have to heat it up enough to get through the ice that was frozen inside the lock. It was, dude, I don't miss that stuff. I don't miss like terrifically shit winters. That's who the car thing is.

That's not even something I understand on so many levels. Like the winters, the keys, like I'm so inept with cars. I remember Taylor once got mad at me because she's like, she's like, you're not going to get out and do the gas for me. understand on so many levels like the winters the keys like i'm so inept with cars i remember taylor once got mad at me because she's like she's like you're not gonna get out and do the gas for me and i was like i guess i could figure it out let me uh try to figure out how to do gas so uh like i barely i've done the gas a few times but i don't really know how to work cars at all i'm i'm that's that's that's very funny though you're not gonna get out and do the gas for me it's like listen if you guys want to get paid the same amount as us,

fill up your own fucking gas. That's what I should have said. You fucking laid on the law, Sam. I believe Jordan Peterson said it best and just started a huge fight. Listen, you're like Rush Limbaugh says, if you want any respect as a human on this earth. The old, so are you big into that, by the way? Do you do all that chivalrous stuff?

Like will you always open the door and do all that? Not always, but usually. I mean, I had a habit I usually do, but I don't, I'm sure I slip up sometimes. Yeah, I don't. I mean, i guess define chivalry like she pays for a lot of stuff you know she's doing she's doing well uh yeah make them pay they should be paying yeah they should pay but yeah i hold doors usually unless here's my thing i'll hold the door if it makes sense to hold the door if it's like some log jam i'm not

gonna fucking just like be like standing like a fucking british you know like like you're the queen or something you know right i will i will hold the door though usually yeah i'm usually no i think it's uh chivalry within reason that's right like i'll do i'll do chivalrous stuff but um it has to kind of fit the scenario like i like i don't i don't believe in, always opening the car door for her. Like, I just, like, that's, sometimes that's just inconvenient. Yeah, it feels like you're showing off. It doesn't feel sincere. It's kind of like.

No. It's almost like you're rubbing their face in it or something. Well, it's also like, it sounds dickish, but it's like, if you're holding the door for a not so nice car, there's something weird about like holding the door for a piece of shit to get you like you can get in. I'll hold the door. If it was a really nice car, I'd open the door. But it's like, yeah, let's just get in and get this over with. I want to keep it moving. Are you are you excited that basketball season is going to loop its way around again?

It's so important to my life because I need a distraction. And like, I feel bad for these players they're like we'll give you two months to recover uh but i'm not not even right half of those guys they didn't even stop they just kept working out because they were like well why go home for seven weeks or whatever i'm so i'm so pumped man i'm like yeah and the games coming up like all these great games all these great storylines i fucking love it i love the nba did did you watch uh uh did you watch yeah because you and but for people that are listening um uh sam has a a podcast with stavros um love him how do you

say his last name it's the funniest he's the best like hulk is yeah he's hilarious i never know how to say his last name so so I just say stop. But you guys have a podcast together. How often do you put it out? Every week? We do one Patreon a week and one regular a week. You've been on it.

It's a lot of fun. I did it, yeah. We don't normally do guests, but when it's like a slow news time, we'll do guests. We just had Trey Wingo on, who's one of the coolest people. Oh, yeah.

Part of my childhood, man. It's crazy.'s crazy such a nice guy but it's who reached out how did you guys get him through instagram his son likes my comedy so he was like let's be friends and i was like okay so we just we just chat all the time he's just a great guy and uh awesome yeah i I love doing the pod with Stavros. And it's it's so it's got me like looking at news stories like I like now I'm like, I guess Larsa Pippen does fuck around. Like I'm looking at those stories. It's so funny that Stavros is obsessed with the gossip and all the dirt. And so we start like I'm like, I never thought I'd know this much about Tristan Thompson's sex life. But here we are. So it's kind of, it's kind of fun. I mean, Stav gets obsessed with like, he's like, we should do an episode of like the

most fuckable, uh, the most fuckable owners. And I'm like, all right. So we're just talking about like 28 men and two women. That's like what we're ranking. So who's the, who was, who was the most fuckable owner? Of course, Jeannie Buss pulled it out. Like there's no. Really? so who's the who was who was the most of course genie bus pulled it out like there's no really well yeah because we took into account like does james dolan still own the nicks oh dolan might

have gotten second i think because of my because i was like he's got to be in the conversation in case there's like a ticket link scenario right but uh yeah no dolan uh he does own the nicks yeah he's got he's got a slide up there for you i was just gonna say you got to be you have to be But yeah, no, Dolan, he does own the Knicks. Yeah, he's got a slide up there for you. I was just going to say, you have to be political when you choose who you want to fuck because you also want to put yourself in a position where it might actually happen. Like if Dolan gave you the call and was like, dude, you know, lifetime tickets, floor seats for the Knicks, you got to fuck me though. Are you doing it?

I fuck him? Yeah, you got to fuck him. To completion? Yes. That's going to be tough. I fuck him yeah you gotta fuck him to completion yes that's gonna be tough I mean look I think yeah I think I'd probably do it because I have some dark memories maybe some PTSD but I'm on the celebrity

road cam every night let's fucking dance dude that's just chilling watching a game with Tracy Morgan yeah that sounds worth it to me what if but what if that what if what if we sat behind we sat behind Tracy Morgan you know Anthony DeVito is like one of my closest friends yeah DeVito and I they gave us floor seats to a game once because we used to do a show for MSG and we're behind Tracy Morgan and for whatever reason Michael Beasley just fucking went off he had like 35 on the Celtics and Tracy Morgan just keeps turning around to us

with like just the most nonsensical like trash talk. He just turned and look at us and go real animals eat meat. And we're like, yes, we were just dying. That dude is a, that dude is a treasure that I'm glad is still making comedy. He's so funny.

He's so fucking funny. He's one of those guys that should never go away, man. He should still be putting out specials as long as he can. Yeah, he rules. Because you have to cherish those guys because one day they just give it up and they're overworked. And there's so much new shit out that you're like, I like to see new comics, but I do like to see the old generation still pumping out shit. It's just nice. Years ago, I watched Tracy Morgan at the Cellar. Louis had just gotten off stage. It was probably five years ago. And Tracy Morgan's walking in,

and they pass each other. And I just witnessed the interaction where Tracy Morgan goes, I hope you left some pussy on the bone for me. And Louis is like, I did. He didn't know what else to say like he was just like i i sure did for you what if you saw what if louie was doing rooftop shows now is louie still is louie bouncing around new york at all does everybody see him yeah i ran into him a couple times i i i think he's doing shows yeah i saw him at the stress factory he was doing shows and uh yeah he's no i mean catching him doing a rooftop show would be wild as fuck you know louis on louis on a roof would be fucking i mean it's just kind of like that now nothing

surprises me like i said like me and burr did i mean segura did stand up in the bed of a pickup truck it's like there is no rules anymore well that's so i'm sure now it's circling around like that and like i feel like all of us we do kind of romanticize the the struggle of this as well so i mean like yeah yeah there is something kind of beautiful about it like if you're like really in a stand-up you want to experience the shittiest moment of our lives and stand up and you can kind of like i mean that was the the roofs became fun for me i just kind of like once you lower the bar and you're like this is what those laughs sound like now, like a couple of those jokes I had before the pandemic. So I know what they, what the laugh they should have gotten in my head sounded like. And then you, even in my special,

I hear the laugh and I'm like, that's a bummer that that's the laugh it got, but I want it to be done with it. So, uh, well that's, I mean, you, so you didn't do a lot of on your special, you kind of left it as is it It's nice because it's edited. It's cut. But it feels more raw. It's pretty raw. I mean, we cut in some ugliness. Because there were moments like we cut in a whole montage of mics not working, which is like part of it.

It's like, you know, I felt weird. I didn't want to act like this was some glossy production when it just wasn't. So we kept in a moment where I told a story about a crackhead on the street and some woman at dinner overheard me and goes, you're, you're an incel. You're disgusting. And I was like, why? She goes, you're offensive. And I was like, I kept asking why? And she wouldn't tell me. And then we walked down the street and some woman goes, oh, I love your comedy. And I just kind of say, well, that's New York. They love you one minute, they hate you the next. So, uh, so it I wanted to keep all the ugliness in because that's what we're living through. There are some real highs and lows right now. Right. I mean, and honestly, it's just a reflection of what's

going on, which I think was great about it. Because people are putting out, Kevin Hart just put out a special and there's something about, and and this is my stupid opinion but the glitz and glamour of that of all these specials that are still coming out something is being lost because right you know you know like they say like great music and great comedy are a reflection of the time absolutely that's a great point i think with that with those glossy specials it's like they're not addressing the reality of the world. I mean, you don't have to live in it and talk about it all the time, but it doesn't present itself in a way that's truthful. And I feel that way about a lot of specials.

I mean, the way that we're getting now, I think we're starting to learn that the glitz and glamour and all that shit, the show-off special that everyone used to want, I think that's slowly going to go away because it just feels so fake. It's cool when you, the first time when you're in a theater and you're like, whoa, this is amazing, but then you're kind of like, well, this isn't what I'm even used to. This is so weird that this is what I'm doing.

I guess you see those specials like Dane Cook did The Garden and you're like, oh my God, this is insane. But then what does he do his next special? It's for like 12 people or something because you kind of go back to like what you really, like you kind of have that show off special, but then you're kind of like,

nah, this is what comedy is to me. Like this is what I love. So I also love the point you make about just reflecting the times. Like I love old movies. I love film noir. I love like those old detective flicks from the 40s and those were made because of like world war ii and and like a reaction to

those dark times and i kind of love that and everyone's talking about new york going back to being shitty but like think about all the movies that gave us right we got midnight cowboy taxi driver mean street right uh right all, great, gritty movies. I'm not saying it creates a safe environment, but it does create some cool art. Oh, yeah. Well, no one's going to write a movie about New York in 2017 when everything is fine. Do you know what I mean? No one's going to write that movie.

There's not enough. Not to say that you always need bad to make good, but you need perspective to kind of, you know, to learn. I will say it is interesting. Like things were going so smooth in terms of the economy was good. Culture was progressing. We were changing. Times were going.

And then this kind of threw in this crazy wrench where you're like, oh, things were kind of shitty. You just didn't realize it. You know what I mean? So it'll flip everything on its head. And then when we come out of this on the other side, it'll be better or worse. But the good thing is it'll change. I think we needed some kind of change to happen. There was kind of this monotony that was taking place. I'm not saying this is good for us, but we were going through the motions. I think you're totally right. I think a lot of us were going on autopilot for a while.

I mean, I was for sure. I think I was too. I think you get into that groove and you're right. I think sometimes like even with the protest, you're like, oh shit, this happens. Like things were going so smoothly that you forget that people are unhappy and shit happens. And like sometimes you're in this comedy bubble where you're just losing yourself in work that you forget to be a human.

And I feel like this pandemic has reminded some of us to like be present and a person. Totally. Well, speaking of which, do you want to talk about, Sam was very big. He led a protest of All Lives Matter. And that was yours, right? You were the big proponent of All Lives Matter. I was like, you know what? No one's talking about

this. The other one's getting a lot of press. Um, I went to a couple, I will tell you this. I went to a few black lives matter protests and I did notice there's a white guy climbing a tree at every protest, which I don't know. I don't know why, but it's fine. You always, you can tell me. That, yeah, that guy that guy that guy he worked out a lot in college he played he played a little bit of vision three ball you know and he kind of misses those days he's progressive he's woke he's aware but when he goes to those protests he feels like no one's paying attention to him so if he climbs a tree and does a couple chit-ups or something it gets attention it gets noise he might make the paper i know this guy by the way i know these guys yeah yeah i went to high school with these guys you know what i mean like

they're the first guy to be like at a stoplight you know when you like walking drunk through a city with a friend that's like i'm gonna do a pull-up on that on the you know on the yeah that guy that's the same guy that you're like why are you doing a why are you doing a fucking pull-up on the don't do that you look like an idiot but we all kind of stare and watch. Cause you're like, it is kind of cool. 16, 17. Yeah. It's great. If you can do it, it's a shit.

It's so funny about showing off. I want, Oh dude, you would love this. Um, uh, um, I am athlete is a podcast. Uh, have you ever seen, I am athlete. Do you know that? Oh dude. Um, uh, Marshall T.O. Chad Johnson, Fred Taylor. athlete do you know that oh dude um uh marshall to chad johnson fred taylor no no no no no no no um uh uh wait who did i say marshall uh brandon brandon marshall okay

marshall was like my favorite player to watch that maybe ever i mean in his prime it was like holy shit like he was just the most fun video game type guy, too. He was just the best. It's almost like the symbol of that Ram's helmet was built for him to spear people with. Oh, dude, he was beautiful. It was ergonomically designed for him to murder people as he ran through humans. But the I Am Athlete brought up a great point that I loved. brought up a great point that i that um i loved uh uh john cj and to were talking about how um unfair it was for so long that they took away end zone dances and i thought this was an

interesting point that he goes i lost millions of dollars they find us millions of dollars for doing these dances um and collectively you know he goes i you where did the money go not to any charity didn't go to the right place you know it went to the so what what a crock of shit that was because they they argued it should have gone to play 60 to their youth program or any of the other sponsorships and i and i totally agree with this cj said they should our fines should go to the charity of our choice i was like dude that's a great that's a great idea mba is the same shit they all do this where they're like they're like, it's like disciplinary action, but what, who are you helping? Also, I find it a little fucked up that

these players are getting CTE and long-term brain damage. They can't fucking dance like that. Yeah, no. Well, that's why they can now, because right there was so much clapback in the NFL. They called it the no fun league because they took away end zone dances celebrations um uh uh even jawing even people that were john too much they were throwing flags for for for uh for people talking too much shit you were like what it what what has this become this is an entertainment league this is more fun violent league other than like right mma right it's like the most uf the most violent league and and you can't talk the same shit I was just listening to this podcast called whistleblower about Tim Donahy you know who's oh yeah yeah you know the referee who the greatest ref of all time games but they're talking

about him yeah in the first episode they say how heheed Wallace, he just gave him two quick technicals and she didn't say shit. And then she waits for him after the game, like talking shit to him, gets him suspended like seven or eight games, costs him $1.8 million. And it was fucking, so I guess Joe Dumars, who was the Pistons GM, called him at the time and said when they found out about Donahue, hey, Ashid, you were right. I don't know if we got the money back, but like. No, that money's gone. That money is gone. That's the thing is they take that. Those those fines get lost.

And what CJ was saying was, you know, how unfair it is that now they have a celebration camera. He goes, can you imagine? I mean, like what like what a what a hypocrisy that we could for years then you told us no so you find us out the face then you took it away he goes um i don't know what the legal term is but he's like we should do a player's suit against the nfl to get that money back and at the very least it be given to charity which i thought was genius and he was like and he goes go in the books is such a shitty owner i mean it's like oh yeah it's insane i feel like he's like the dude that makes every wrong step and like like

look david stern for the nba that guy was mobbed up no question but he was like cool he was cool mobbed up where like he seemed like like smart as hell he knew knew how to grease all the right political moves. But with Goodell, it just feels gross. There's something wrong about it. Well, I feel like there's no true connection to an idea of an organization organically, right? So for me, he does whatever he thinks he's supposed to do. This is another thing that they brought up on the podcast was Belichick got fined, you know, the mask fine on the sidelines.

Coaches, I think, get fined $100K if they're in violation. Aren't they doing rapid tests for everybody too? I don't understand. Not only are they testing, listen to how crazy this is. In the locker room, on the airplane, and on practice days, they don't have to wear any masks. There is no NFL requirement. So what T.O. was saying was it's all optics.

It's optics. And it is. So the NFL can show fans, like, we care. But it's like, no, you don't give a shit. You don't care at all who gave everything to the game the guy played with a fucking broken leg like you can't question that dude's heart i mean i know he got a lot of bad press for his personality and being all about him at times but like he had heart but true but truth be told he talked about that too was like what did

i do wrong besides being um being a little bit like confident and boisterous, he talked about that too. It was like, what did I do wrong besides being a little bit confident and boisterous? He talked about the Dallas Cowboys moment where he stood on the star and spread his arms. That was hilarious, by the way. Well, it wasn't premeditated. And he actually talks about it. Would George Teague just fucking drop them? Dropped them. I mean, smoked them.

Well, he said it was because his, the receiver, one of the receiver coaches said when they were taking the tour, you know, when they do tour the stadium before and they, before they run practice, he was looking and there's, if you look up from the star in the stadium, there was a, you know, there's a hole. There's a, the roof is movable. And he said something to the effect of like you you know you break through the ceiling and show them it's your house and so subconsciously when when he scored that touchdown he goes i just ran to that star and looked up through the roof because of what he said to me

before the game it wasn't spitting on the star it wasn't you know fucked alice he's like it was just this um this moment that like i when he said that before the game it laid in his brain was like i'm a bus through this roof and it but no one those stories are too late to be told because the paper the paper was like show off asshole disrespect you know it's like they they they ruin the truth because they just literally like donovan mcnabb kind of under the bus, though? Sure. Sure.

That's because I don't care about all the flashy shit. I care when you're bad to your teammates. That's when I'm like – because I was a fan of T.O. for sure. I mean, his talent was remarkable. I just think there's so much more going on behind the scenes that we'll never know about. And the good guys are always going to look like the good guys. The bad guys are always going to look like the good guys the bad guys are always going to look way worse they're never like you know peyton manning could have been treacherous to people you'll never find out was he i don't know but will the league show that never in a million years yes so so again going back to this

these organizations the nfl does such a bad job of being original. They just will do whatever they think they're supposed to do. Whatever, you know, with the taking a knee shit and Kaepernick, it's like all this goes back to the NFL going, what does everybody want us to do? They have no opinion. They have no stance. They coddle. He coddles to everything. And then that's why people talk shit and they hate the nfl you know what i mean i just don't get when people like look whether you're for or against the

protests like it's it's a part of life it's a part of sports like it's always been a part of sports you know so i mean yeah of course you could say there's no place for protests in sports well i mean shit jackie robinson wasn't that long ago bill rus Russell on the Celtics dealing with insane racism wasn't that long ago. So I always say, like, you don't have to tune out for the national anthem if you don't want to watch it. You know, play it. By the way, I've never watched the national anthem. I've never watched it on TV. I've never stuck around.

It's going to be, like, for the troops and for a person's right to— I think that's what most people kind of are are for the troops and for a right to protest so you know uh shit man uh i i know you're no you're totally you're right i don't like when people say shit like well they should just do it in private and i'm just like well that's not a protest that's uh right the protest is meant to disrupt uh so right right so people can pay attention to it it's there's a moment that it deserves to you need to have your voice heard and whatever the way you get your voice heard people who disagree with it and people who agree with it and i i'm interested in both their point of views i i kind of just i'm like you know what i i think it costs you know people money i think it's cost

kaepernick money maybe he got a lot of it back with that nike deal but even with the nfl like yeah or the nba like it's although the the nba player who wants to really like cost himself money at this point like what if gordon hayward were just like all lives matter dude i i think they all fucking like that's how you really that's brave in the nba but in the nfl like right caruso caruso comes out with a hitler tattoo a nazi tattoo on his back american history x just takes it off except instead of american history x is just like lebron dunking on him every fucking play the worst scrimmage ever yeah no it's just uh uh i just you know i i i think that it's become this is the problem that i have. And we got political for no reason. I don't know why.

We're keeping it light though, I think. Yeah. Well, I thought about it the other day. Well, I don't really care. This is how I feel. You know, like I was watching, there's a commercial for a washer and dryer, Whirlpool or somebody or whatever. And the song that they're playing is old Dirty dirty bastards um hey dirty baby i got your money you

know um and i and i was sitting watching it with my wife's parents and we're sitting there watching the commercial and when it's over because they change the lyrics to hey dirty baby i got your laundry don't you worry right and i and i thought about it i thought this is a room full of white executives who who who think it's cute right but it's like the same people that are upset sometimes when culture goes too far right when they're like wet ass pussy is an offensive song but in 30 years if they could change it to wet you know wet ass pussy is an offensive song. But in 30 years, if they could change it to wet ass pants, and it's like, are your pants, you know what I mean? Like, whatever they can do to fit their agenda and their narrative.

Because I go, can you imagine if 20 years ago when that song came out, Baby, I Got Your Money, if those same people would have liked that song? It's about hookers. It's about being a pimp to hookers. And you're like, oh, now it's a whirlpool now it's okay corporate it's like america gets mad and this is what i'm talking about protests and stuff america gets mad at black lives matter protests in and in the sports only because it's so combative towards their towards towards what they're okay with right but in 20 30 years much like music they're okay with, right? But in 20, 30 years, much like music,

they're okay with it because it's cute now. You know, to say like, when your aunt uses the words on fleek or like, you know, that's lit. You know what I mean? Like they'll take, they're okay with it as long as it's gone through a certain amount of time. It's like a Brita filter. For them to then adopt it.

It's got to go through the proper routine. Yeah, you're totally right. Right, right, right. Baby, I want your laundry. It's so upsetting. Imagine being like a diehard Wu-Tang fan it's got to go through the proper routine yeah you're totally right right right maybe i want your laundry is so upset if you imagine being like a diehard wu-tang fan and you're just like they'll fuck it they'll never they'll never get his they'll never get odb's music and just seeing that commercial and just dying on the inside well that's what i love but that's what i love about the hypocrisy of america with stuff like that it's like we're only okay with with culture of and it it doesn't offend us only

if um it fits like what we're okay with because like wet ass pussy pissed off all these people but i'm they don't talk about music from 20 years ago that they're mad about because now it's tame you know what i mean like that shit was it was nothing now and now it means nothing back then oh they were so mad at eminem you know what i mean they're so angry at eminem and now he's old they don't care anymore uh saying with elton john they were like all right it's safe everybody we can all come out you know right yeah for sure right now elton john he you know they asked him they were like well he says fag a lot and aren't you offended and he's like this is we're making up stories and it's the same thing with what we do on stage it's like not all of this is real and not all of this matters this is we're just we're sparking conversation sparking ideas making you think about some shit that you may you might not think about

behind people's back who cares not it's like headline grabbing and it's and it's you know it's baiting people rather than like looking at them as a totally being like well maybe he's like the eminem i think of is like monday night football seeing al michael's like oh my god you're a legend like that's hilarious that's eminem like that childlike wonder as well so you know people can be more than one thing you can you can be like he's a homophobe and like all right maybe he grew up differently than you. Maybe it's going to take him a longer time to be like, oh, maybe I should say that word less. Or maybe he won't come to that conclusion.

But maybe like hammering people the way we hammer people and trying to shame them and having the views that you have is not the way to change their mind either. So look at them as a human. is not the way to change their mind either. So look at them as a human and don't just try to like, I hate this mob mentality on the internet where you just like, this person did this, attack. It's so fucking, it's so pointless. You're not changing anyone. You're humiliating someone. It's for you. It's not for them. Totally. Totally. I also think there's a big moment now that's coming around. And I think it's on its way, that we're going to start having conversations with people that we disagree with instead of just burning them to the ground. We're holding people accountable in a different way.

I think that'll be the new thing will be, well, tell us why you think that way. I think if more people are given platforms to explain why they said something or did something, we'd be better off than just trying to kill someone for saying something that we don't agree with twitter needs more characters before we can before we can attack no shit 140 characters that's why people are like like this person said this and then you fucking just slam them it's like it's like right it's also with our politics now it's like it's set up to dunk on the other person it's not you're not you're not gonna get not going to get retweets if you're just like, well, this person thinks this, and I think this, and we'll work together. Like what's going to get more retweets? Biden saying, this is time for us to come together or Trump writing rigged, you know? Right. Which one's going to get more eyeballs?

Which you and I both retweeted often. A of trump a lot of trump rigged i love the rig i'm gonna retweet it that's what i said that on stage i said everybody loves biden and you hate trump and i understand it all these people are so angry at trump but i will say all of my friends myself included i follow trump on twitter am i am i gonna follow biden no chance there's no way he's gonna say anything funny enough for me to follow so whether we like it or not we were obsessed with trump you we hate it everybody hated him that they said that all these people that said they hated him uh they still follow the dude and constantly constantly were invested in what he was doing and saying it's fascinating to think about from a social experiment like i would never follow biden i would never follow i just it would never be

it just wouldn't interest me. You know what I mean? Like you follow you follow what you hate. You follow the car crash is what you follow. I mean, of course, it makes sense. I mean, it's funny, like how like what we react to because you think because everything going viral now, you think, you know, you don't know what's going to happen. I remember one of those debates in like 2016 when it was Trump and uh he said something about carly furino remember her he's like something about how she's just look at her like something about her being ugly and and she and she goes great i think the american people heard him loud and clear and everyone responded i was like wow she got him and then the next day he's just like right he's just like fine again like it only the the the zing only works if it's mean it doesn't work if it's

like the dignified thing in the moment you're like wow but the thing that gets the stain power is like the insult line right what is it uh um is it better to be is it better somebody said this to me yesterday uh i don't know if it's from bronx tale he said is it better to be loved or hated and it says uh hated because they remember you longer or it lasts longer what's that quote do you know what i'm talking about when i remember for bronx tale oh god there's nothing worse in the world than a man's wasted potential that's the whole thing that's exactly right that and uh that and no interracial dating that's what i remember from bronx tale well yeah what are they doing in our neighborhood that's another one that and that's thing. That's exactly right. That and no interracial dating. That's what I remember from Bronx too. Well, yeah. What are they doing in our neighborhood? That's another one.

And that's something that I know you support heavily. I'm just trying to throw you under the brus with the All Lives Matter protest. And honestly, people do need to go to Sam's website. They were asking at the All Lives Matter, what is a jew doing here and i said why don't you guys back off um no you know now you and and honestly i i didn't know you were jewish and knowing that i'm not going to be able to put this podcast out i'm sorry about that we had a good talk though i don't want to i don't want to associate with you guys no uh what who said uh somebody said uh the other day they said um so something about how many jewish comics you know versus how many non-Jewish comics you know. And I said, well, I couldn't tell you because a lot of my friends that are Jewish, they try to hide it. I mean, some better than others.

And the ones that don't hide it as well, they need to take a lesson because I didn't know that you were Jewish before this, Sam. And now that I do, I, I, I'm a little upset. About 10 years ago, I featured from Mark Maron in Rooster Teeth Feathers, not bragging, but we were working Rooster Teeth Feathers in Sunnyvale. And it was a great weekend, a lot of fun. But I remember he pulled me aside, you know, when you're like a like a younger comic and you know a guy you respect kind of says something kind of you're just like uh he said you're a real hide the jew that's what he said to me and i was like what does that mean and he goes you don't talk about it enough on stage he was like annoyed and then i saw him years later at jfl and and he he said, we started chatting and, and he said,

how, how was your set? I said, you know, I actually opened with a Jew joke. Cause you called me a hide the Jew tonight. And he said, uh,

I got to you. I was like, Jesus. You're a real high. Well, I think I, I, I mean,

cause he, well, but he doesn't, I guess he does. Huh? That was a different insult in world war two, Germany. You're a real hide the Jew.

You just said that to nice families that hate Jews. Well, also, speaking of which, you are the only Jewish male comic I know with a World War II joke. Eat your heart out, Eliza. You're the only one, dude. You're the other one. But genuinely, I mean this. I do like you, even though you're Jewish. You're a great dude. You're a great dude. You're a great comic. And people do need to watch. Go watch Up on the Roof on Sam's YouTube channel, amongst a million other clips that you post. You're really great at that, man. You are good at putting new putting new content i'm always nervous so it's impressive isn't a joke i'm always yeah but

what who cares like that's how i you know what i've learned is like i'm no longer posting for my friends anymore i'm i'm posting for my fans so like whatever i think is going to be fun with my fans i don't give a fuck if any of my comic friends like it anymore i'm too grown for that shit i just see it's a at some point you're like fuck you dude this is for me and the people that like my comedy or what i do and all the nuances of it whatever it is that you you know need to put out there so for friends at a certain point you got to perform for you and and the people that come out it's you know some of those early on, remember those comics early on that just fucking murder at open mics, but they could not,

they couldn't do well on real shows. And at mics, they were like, this is the funniest person I've ever seen. And then you see them in front of a real audience and you're like, you can't do all sodomy jokes. You can't like, these are normal people.

You gotta, you gotta shift a little, you gotta shift gears. I still know some of those guys and they, and that's And I think that's a detriment is being a comics comic. It's a great thing, but comics aren't going to pay your rent or your mortgage. So at some point you have to go, I want to preserve my comedic integrity, but I also want to connect with fans. Too much inside baseball never is going to work with with audiences so i think you've done

a great job honestly doing that you're you're uh you're you're you've grown so much as a comic genuinely from over the years which is great to fucking see in this special is very very funny and it's good you you touch on some you touch on some personal shit which i think was uh i think that's huge not Not everyone needs to do that. I don't do it enough. I probably, like, I definitely, like, hide certain things probably just out of like, You hide the Jew. You hide the Jew.

Yeah. No, but you should, not everyone needs to divulge their deepest, darkest, not everyone is going to be. I'm conscious of it, like, sounding like a therapy session as opposed to a comedy show where I'm like, all right, is this funny enough? I don't want to just share shit that isn't funny. we've all done that where i'm just like did i just tell them something humiliating that had no joke like that's not what a show is right so i i'm always right i'm very conscious of that when you when you do that like one man show type of thing

and there isn't there isn't just a funny ending to it it needs something it's still comedy it's not just share sure yeah but you it needs it needs uh yeah you it still needs the the breadth of comedy in there and like dave chappelle has become so prolific and and he he's trying to get so many messages across that a lot of times i don't think he gives a fuck about being a doing comedy or being a comedian he inherently is but he's at a stage now where he's always trying to drive a message you know what i mean like it's it's very embedded in what he says and i think that's something that comes with time too it depends on what stage you are in your life and your comedy and all that stuff well you i think you hit it on the head um with doing this special now at this time

i think it's smart i hope people go watch it um yeah dude it's it's it's great dude honestly i i really appreciate it and it's good to know that you also you have a uh it's good to know that you have a father that uh that ran away from you i had a great day i always try to say i don't want to get like i hate when you get the oh and like and I had a great day with me. So I, and you know, my mom got married when I was like seven or so. And he was like, basically, you know, he's my dad. I love him. He's the best dad, but people, I want the jokes to hit. I don't want people to go, Oh, but it's funny to me. I mean, my fucking biological dad lives nine blocks to me. And to me, that's fucking, I've had to like dodge him before. It's so, that's New York where I'm just like, shit, do I have to do a stop and chat with my fucking dad you know does he still

he still lives that close to you does holy i kept in a burn i i made phil i was the dinner i know you know phil hanley and uh and phil hanley and i one of my best friends were at dinner and he i said you know he lives my biological dad lives in artist housing and I, I, you know, he's not even an artist. And Phil goes, well, he's an escape artist. And everyone laughs so hard that I made him retell the joke with the cameras rolling. Cause I was like, it's so, it's so funny to me. And, uh, you know, he is it look dude, that, that, that, that kind of truthful stuff to me will always be worth it like that's always worth that giving that out doing more exposing yourself a little bit in that regard to your your comfort level i think is great if you're able to talk about it and you want to it's funny man because

that shit that shit's funny and then you know who knows in five years we'll see you you'll have a cbs show of dodging my dad in new york it'll be a sam morel is dodging his dad your dad will be richard kind or something like that i'm hoping actually did i just i just wrote a really great show for you i want the old school jew and he was a cool he was like the coolest jew and you know yeah yeah yeah yeah he was man all right well we'll set it up i'll call some executives over there i'll call up uh i'll call up moon less moonves in the meantime check out sam special um he's the best i appreciate you doing this um again and uh we we end the show uh yeah man we end the show the same way uh one word or one phrase i'm gonna walk off camera and then you look in the camera and you end the episode saying one word

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