Who Are These Podcasts? - Ep74 - The Minimalists Podcast

Episode Date: September 17, 2017

Two guys quit their jobs and got rid of most of their stuff. That's the whole story. And yet, there's a podcast, multiple books, a documentary, and an ongoing tour all about it. Mark joins Karl to share his disdain of these two gentlemen who he affectionately refers to as "asshats." Seriously people, if there's something we're missing let us know. It's not that complicated, right? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Who likes these partners, not WWE TV? Who likes these partners, that ones beyond me? Who are these partners, double your weight to pay? W-A-T-P W-A-T-P W-A-T-P No Markets, W-A-T-P W-A-T-P Hello and welcome to another episode of Who Are These Podcasts. We listen to podcasts so that you don't have to. I'm your host, Cara, with me today, back once again as our friend Mark, Mark, welcome.

Hey, Carl. Great to be here. I'd like to remind our listeners you can visit us at whoarethese.com, our Facebook page or on Twitter at whoarethesepod. If you like what you hear, don't forget to give us a positive five-star review on iTunes. Today we'll be reviewing a podcast called The Minimalist Podcast. Mark and I both listen to the show. We have not discussed it with each other beforehand. Let's get into it, Mark. The reason why we're doing this show. We have not discussed it with each other beforehand. Let's get into it. Mark, the reason why we're doing this show is this was a suggestion that came

from you. Yeah. And honestly, the suggestion was not brought from, you know, it didn't arise from having listened to their podcast. These guys, they have a book called Josh and Ryan. Josh and Josh and we're gonna have a book called the minimalist. They're like kind of like a phenomenon on right now, right? And they put a little documentary out on Netflix. Yes. That was, frankly, one of the doucheyest things I've ever seen in my life. I watched it this morning.

It's called minimalism. Yes, so I go in with a severe and admitted negative prejudice to these two ass hats. Yes. I watched the documentary this morning. I wrote some notes down about it. Have you seen the doc? It is the worst thing. Okay, so I wrote some notes down about it. Have you seen the doc? It is the worst.

You're seeing a thing. Okay. So I don't disagree with it completely. The thing that they do, that they love to do, they're bashing consumerism. And so they show the Black Friday shopping mobs. And listen, I also think that's fucking ridiculous. You would not catch me on Thursday night at midnight, try to get the latest deal from Target.

Well, hell no, because we don't have computers have computers. Exactly. You know how to order online Amazon exists. The point is that it's not even that the tenant. That's what's so insidious about these people's particular form of evil. It's not that the premise is bad. Yeah. We could all, sir, you know, stand to lose some of our stuff, get the clutter out of our lives, lower our debt, make our lives more simple and find joy in a more simple way and not try to force it out of buying stuff. However, you can't buy happiness, this is the basic life. But these two ask clowns, they have six figure jobs and they hype it in

their freaking problem. Yeah, what do they just like cell phone sales people. Yeah, like a manager of a variety. Oh, okay. Whatever. So then there wasn't this glamorous. You make it out to me. The point is they had enough money to do whatever they want. So they ditched their stuff knowing full well, they can get that shit back whenever they want it.

And there's thousands of thousands of people in this country who don't have a pot to piss in. A lot of these two secondies, books, talk about how minimal they are. A lot of times I get. The one guy, I get them confused when they're talking. I can't tell them apart. I don't know if it was Joshua Ryan. It admits in the podcast that we listened to

the one episode, episode, any four about budget that he was laid off from his corporate job. I was laid off from several jobs. Well, no, I know, but my point is that they did. I don't blame them. I mean, I think it was more of like, oh, shit I can't afford all this stuff about buying more so that like I'm gonna start this new movement

We're gonna do this whole thing. This is the thing about the the documentary that I thought was at odds with itself Well, I should say the this guy's these guys philosophy There's some cognitive dissonance there because they're saying that it makes you happier to get rid of all of your stuff and And not live in this materialistic world, but you need things and just get rid of all the non-essentials Get rid of all the junk in your life and you'll be happier. So one of the big segments on their show is they take voice call Questions and then they answer those questions. So I'm gonna explain to you why this is an odds with itself. Here's our caller, Jesse, who you might remember, who's a real bright bulb, and he has this question. Another question I had was regarding in terms of paying off debt. What debt should be paid

off in one order? An example is we have a a hard note and a car something that we need I'm in order to work so should we focus on things like hard notes, car note and student debt or things like parking tickets that may have gotten out of hand and other forms of debt that have just kind of collected along the way from being in a place where we couldn't really afford basically living expenses. Well you don't need to have a life of piffety of minimalism to figure out how to give financial advice to Jesse. No, exactly. I mean, this guy's calling the right show.

If he's looking for financial advice. So here is part one of their advice for Jesse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude, pay after your parking date. You gotta pay your parking tickets. Here's the other thing. This is going to be hard to hear Jesse, but you gotta get rid of your car, man. for Jesse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, pay after your parking thing.

You got to pay your parking thing. Here's the other thing. This is going to be hard to hear, Jesse, but you got to get rid of your car, man. You got to get rid of that car and buy something that does not have a car payment. All right. So, you got to pay. The first thing you got to do is stop being a criminal. You owe money to the government.

Or at least just stop being a criminal. Or at least just stop being a criminal. But I want to give that to them. So, all right. Dynamite advice. But then he says, dude, because he mentioned he's got a car note, got a car payment, because he isn't he's the first job. So I want, wait, what?

You are paying for a car. Are you fucking asshole? You got to get rid of that car. So here's the second part of that where they explain how to do this. Right, well, guess what Ryan is debt free. And he has a 2004 Toyota Corolla with 300,000 miles on it.

Roof leaks, radios broken, AC doesn't work right now. You'd be lucky to get a thousand bucks for that car right now Oh my god, and so here's the thing someone would buy that car off of you. My point is Jesse Buy the equivalent buy the beater buy the junker car Yeah, Jesse you want to be happy in life buy a car that leaks on your head and you can't listen to music. Then you'll be happy, asshole. Don't you get it? And so your mechanic. Yeah, I mean, this guy's fucking answering to everything. It's just by the worst piece of garbage possible and use that instead.

You know, somehow I kind of detect a little duplicity in their message and the fact that they're hawking this book and it's the best seller. Oh, well, that is a whole thing Do you want to let's get into that well actually before we do that? Let's take it back to the intro. Okay. Let's go back to the intro I understand who they're listening to here. Um the second clip I gave I think it's called cracking themselves up Okay, so I actually put this as a teaser last week when we were teasing this podcast how they start the show off by just cracking themselves up.

And what I wrote down here in my notes is that because their whole thing is that this makes you happy. Like this is a religion to them. And they're overly happy in the way that like a Mormon or a Scientologist is like, this by the way, it's great. I can't wait how amazing it is. You should do what I do.

You can find this book in the picture. You're in a legend of light in the picture. Exactly. I'm like, it Oh amazing it is. You should do what I do. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it friends were talking. Yeah, exactly. So my theory on this is that because these guys are so far down this whole of like we are the face of this movement, of this religion, of the pseudoscience, they have to act like they're having the greatest time in the world. Everything is so fun.

So here is them cracking themselves up at the beginning of the pod. And because I find this podcast to be mostly boring, I went ahead and sweetened it for our list of theirs. 94. It's hard to believe this is our 94th anniversary. What? Are we celebrating every week?

We that couple, Josh. I think you know. Yeah, hey, Bax and I. Hey, Bay. Happy 94th week anniversary. We celebrate by try masters. Max and I were in our 27th try master. Jesus. I'm not doing the math right. I know what a Is it is a trimester three months? What's a master? It's one third of a master I thought a trimester means

It's three mess It needs three masters, right? No, but everything. The whip of hell is a master. Oh, no! Oh, no! You better not cut any of this, Sean. Oh my god, this is so good. You people are idiots!

There was nothing good about that and Sean should have cut all of that out. So like, they separate things into like necessities and wants and like junk. Is weed junk or is weed in a necessity? Obviously in a necessity. These guys are fucking high. This is from that same clip. I just pulled a small portion Sorry, that was so long, but they just were cracking each other up for the first two minutes of this pot and Here is an unedited clip of how hard this guy is laughing and I swear to god This is exactly how it came across on the podcast. Yeah, what the hell is a master?

He better not cut any of this shot He couldn't breathe he was laughing So I hope he was going to die I thought he was going to die of that. He's going to die of freaking mercury poison. This guy has been living in a Russian nickel mine for the past 20 years. This poor guy. Do you want me to play that clip that you have about the his mercury poison? Yeah. Anyway, I was in the sauna this morning because I have mercury poison. Like really, really bad mercury poison. Yeah, what is it? So it's it's so so how do they measure it and where you add on the scale?

So I'm at 96% tile so only 4% of the people in the United States According to the CDC have more mercury in their blood than me humble brag I just by the time he's done going on about his murky poisoning, all he wanted to do was take his temperature, you know, just let get it out of the way right now. One more thermometer, he should be good. I get it. So you're saying that that would go in his rectum?

You know, I heard that. I just made that up in my own hands. That was you, but hey. Getting back to these guys telling each other jokes and cracking each other up, at one point, this guy, who have done, they've done 93 podcasts before this podcast. I mean, that's more than I've done. It's pretty minimal. I'm still bad at it, but you'd think these guys to be better.

This guy decides to tell a joke that he doesn't remember. The joke about why the ducks have web feet. I don't remember the punchline. It was so bad Mark, dude, there is this joke. I can't remember what the subject was or the setup The punchline, but dude it was so funny Man, when you have nothing in your house, everything's great. It's amazing how much fun we can add a joke book Dude, I get better this documentary so that you understand what they're telling you. Is they're saying that people are miserable

because they work jobs that they don't like and they work jobs that they don't like in order to buy things that they don't need. And so the secret happiness is to quit your job and to not buy things. And to live in the smallest place possible. That was a big topic of the documentary. These people who buy these tiny houses

or these very small apartments in Manhattan where they have one room and the bed folds down from the wall and then you pull that back up and then you have like this table that comes in. It's everything you do is just in this one room. And that is happiness, Mark. Being as confined as possible.

That's why prisoners are so happy. It's the best. You know, I honestly, one of the infuriating things about these guys is I don't disagree that you should be willing to prioritize what's important. And you know, like having a smoresmaker and a waffle maker and a frickin' pit cell maker on your kitchen counter isn't gonna make you, you know, any happier because you have more stuff. Well it depends do they match?

Are they stainless steel? They're non-stick. Oh okay good. The point is that I don't believe them there's this is gross insincereity behind everything they do like on that documentary. Yes. Do you see the part where they they they interviewed the world traveler? Oh, Colin. Yes. Colin. In fact, I have a note about him. He owns 52 things. Yes.

He owns like a Japanese chef's knife and five artisanal T-shirts. Everything is on his backpack. I mean, he just travels the world. He owns 52 things. And one of them is the sneakers with the toes. Fucking in it is the most obnoxious thing. I hate people who buy the sneakers with the toes.

Guys got like 500 million dollar trust fund. Yeah obviously. I don't screw Colin. Yeah screw Colin. Well they go all over the place too. They don't focus on this documentary. They talk about how consumerism is bad because it makes you unhappy. But it's also the cause of climate change, which is going to end the world. You know, they think that fashion is now 52 seasons per year.

Remember that part? They talk about how the fashion industry makes something fashionable and then a week later it's not fashion volume or so you have to go buy. I must know nothing about fashion. I'm wearing cargo shorts. Well, and I'm cool. Definitely not. Yeah.

But yeah, exactly. That's the whole point. Like, who are they talking to? We're not idiots. We live in this world. No one is throwing away a t-shirt they bought last week because it's out of style now. And the point is that we all can agree.

I mean, anyone listening to this can agree that, yeah, buying a car loan that you can't afford, probably a bad move. So they go into this financial advice thing. Oh, yes, they do. And this episode has very little to do with minimalism. It has a lot to do with extremely, like if you go to a community college

and they take that personal finance class, that stuff, and then it just hawks you supplements for two hours. Well, here's the thing. I totally understand why debt is a bad thing. I totally understand where these guys are coming from. They're not bright individuals, and yet they're acting like experts. I'll play a couple of examples of this.

So this is just an example of what these guys think is happening in the real world. Now, there are people who make $10,000 a year, have massive amounts of debt, and can have a good credit score because they're playing the game. Mm-hmm. Nope.

There is nobody in this world that has $10,000 a year as a salary, and has a good credit score, Mark. That's true. That's impossible. That's a positive. That's a penalty, the family dollar card. Honestly, homeless people in this small city of Rochester

make more than 10 grand a year, just standing on the corner of 490 and good men. I don't agree with that. There's no way someone's making it. Like you're either making nothing or you're making like 12,000 dollars a year. I mean, something. No one's making $10,000 a year and has a good credit score. They're probably a heroin addict.

And then this genius explains there was a question about credit scores. and I bet you didn't know this but I don't want to spoil it. A good credit score is better than a bad credit score. You ready for this? It's better to have a good credit score than to have a bad credit score. So if you were to list them in sort of descending order, no credit score is best. If we're going and then after that it's having a good credit score is better than the third option Which is having a bad credit score? You know, I got a fundamentally disagree with this guy I think if you have a good credit score and no debt. Yes, that's better than having no credit score So then the guy talks about so they're very much against any type of debt

Did you know that the word mortgage actually means death of your soul? Death contract? That's where the word comes from, man. It's a death kind of business. This is this guy explaining how to get a mortgage according to this asset. Personally, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want a mortgage either.

And again, I'm not criticizing anyone who does have a mortgage, but you need to be able to afford the, not just the monthly payment on the mortgage, but for me, if I were to ever decide to go that route, I would want to be able to put 50% down. I can't afford that right now. So, I'd be cool putting 10 grand down. That's a weird rule right there.

Yeah. If you're gonna have a mortgage, I'd put 50% down. Where does that number come from? And how does that play into any of this? Well, you know, then instead of buying a $250,000 house, maybe he plans to buy a $500,000 house, which puts him in the same situation.

Yeah, and I don't understand that at all. And again, I am all for this idea of not spending money that you don't have. But the fact that these guys get rid of shit and then applaud themselves as heroes is a little bit concerning to me. One thing that I did learn is this. And by the way we are not scientists. So they're not scientists. That's good to know. I would not have known that otherwise. I also learned this. Donald Trump is a tampon.

I didn't know that. That was interesting. It splints the hair color. And, you know, they've done some work in the heavy machine industry as well. I hate using a jackhammer. But sometimes, sometimes it's necessary. So, I guess I'll leave it at that with my two cents. I guarantee you that guys never been with a 15 feet of jackhammer.

No, I've never used a jackhammer before. I mean, I have been doing collar jobs. I've gone through some physical motions that have been similar. True. You've been, you actually called the jackhammer by our group of friends. All right, so I want to get into this whole,

they've turned this into their work and this is now their business thing. All right, so this is talking about their tour. And then down to Texas, Austin, Texas is sold out, Dallas and Houston, there are still some tickets left, Nashville, Washington, DC, Atlanta, Tampa might be sold out already, and then Detroit and Milwaukee, a bunch of different cities. Less is now tour. You can just go to Lessonsnow.com and we're gonna give a live talk about minimalism and then we're gonna record a live

version of this podcast. Dish out a bunch of free hugs. Answer all of your questions while you are there as well. All right that's one of the things that pissed me off about the documentary. These guys love to hug. Oh, I'm a hugger, come here. Come on, bring it in, I'm a hugger. Okay, we get it. Well, I'm not. I know, just want to say that I'm supposed to.

Just say that I'm supposed to. You're weirdo. Well, the documentary is pretty much just following these guys around on their book tour. And they go in front of sometimes seven people, sometimes 30, it's very impressive. It's like spinal tap, but inverse. Yes, this is true.

What is crazy to me is that people are going to hear them talk. They've put out two books. They have a podcast with 96 episodes now. Two hours long each. Two hours long each, answering people's questions, talking through all of this nonsense, they write essays, they have a blog what is the concept that people still aren't grasping here get rid of shit you don't need is the whole fucking thing how

minimal how minimal is a two-hour podcast yeah it seems it seems maximum yeah max the maximalist so so this is funny so the second part of the show is all about cutting expenses and like you were referring to before Mark There are three categories, right? You have your Essentials your non-essentials and then what they call junk and they say get rid of all of your junk Get rid of most of your non-essentials and just keep your budget down to essentials. But right before that, they are talking about this. I got up there and said,

advertise, been suck and drop the microphone. Speaking of advertisements, sucking, if you want to support the podcast, keep it 100% advertisement free, you can head on over to patreon.com, slash the minimalists, or just go to theminimilists.com and click on the donate button. So where in my essential, not essential, a jug categories? Do I put the Patreon account for these assets?

I'm gonna guess that's a jug, right? Well, that's an essential. I'll be cutting that out of my budget. I'll write up one morning and you'll forget to not have stuff. I'm already saving ten bucks a month by never contributing to their fucking Patreon. This is hilarious. This guy doesn't understand how the basics of economics works. We're doing a bunch of bonus episodes, and those are free for you all as well. A bunch of bonus episodes for exclusively for our Patreon supporters.

So Mark, if you give them money, you'll get free episodes in return. Wow. Isn't that amazing? I'm gonna open up a grocery store. It's gonna be the first of its kind. Free food for anyone who will go in and give us the money that it costs to pay for it. I think you've had enough. Completely free food for the street, my friend. That is gold. That's gold. There's a fucking business model right there. Totally. These guys are fucking idiots. You literally just said free for people who give us money on page.

And by the way, let's go back to that advertisement, Free Thing. 75% of the non-talking to Travis portion of this show was them talking supplements and like and like medical services and all kinds of weird, science,ological crap. And let me tell you, that was one of the things, now I'm in advertising.

I've mentioned this many times out of this podcast. That was one of the things that the documentary was completely against advertising. It's such a terrible drug on society and they talk about how advertising is everywhere. It's on TV. It's in books. It's in movies. It's in the cab that you're riding in. And then they say it's even in the bar. I don't know if you remember this, but they said that guy that you're having a conversation then they say it's even in the bar. I don't know if you remember this but they said that guy that you're having a conversation with at the bar could have been planted there from an alcohol company and is an advertisement. How do we get that job?

When you see someone in a bar who's hockeying alcohol, they're wearing fucking flashing necklaces, they have fucking ridiculous usually. Usually they're a hot chick. They have fucking samples for you to try no one is sitting there going No, you hang on here off in like no The party company on they were hired by Bud Light to fucking hack Bud Light We know that I thought that was hilarious would you really think that there's sending people over to the blossom road pub to talk about That there's some in people order the blossom road pub to talk about Fuck it out. It's obvious, you're an alcohol company's fuck you. So this is getting back to this whole thing that these guys have done, this cult that they've created.

It's a fucking racket. And this is just more explanation on that. And all by the way, if you're a Patreon supporter, it would be the first to hear about new tour stops that we're announcing. We're headed over to Australia and New Zealand really soon. But the first people to know about that are gonna be the folks who listen to this podcast and support us on Patreon because the tickets will be available to our Patreon supporters

before they go on sale to the general public. As anyone else see the irony in this? This is a show about budgeting. And before they get into this part about budgeting, they say, if you give money to our podcast, you'll be the first to know when you can buy tickets to our tour stop in your city. You get a personal seat license. Yeah, like, dude, can I give you money so that you can tell me when I can give you more

money? That's amazing. You can take it to the bills game! These fucking guys, this is such a racket. Are they not seeing this? It reminds me of, do you remember a guy named Don LaPrie? Oh, I remember the name. He's a multi-level marketer from the 80s, maybe 90s.

He was out in foam worship all the time. He was one of my favorite guys. Let me play this clip from a download free in commercial. This is what these guys are bad enough. The second way to make money that I stumbled onto was placing tiny classified ads in the newspaper. If you create and test one tiny classified ad

in the newspaper that makes just $30, $40 profit in a week, it could make you a fortune. Okay, I remember that guy. Yes, so here is the racket that he had if you don't know. Back when there were newspapers and classified sections, you would place an ad that said, why don't work from home and earn thousands of dollars a week? Send me $10, you know, a self-adjusted ad down below and I will send you the secret to making money working from home So he gets people to then send you know four people to send ten bucks and

He sends them back a thing that says put a classified ad in that says you can work from home and make money Do you see how this is circular logic Mark? Yeah, this is what these guys have done. They're saying all right Here's what you do here's how to not work anymore. Quit your job because your frustrated is no fun. Just be a minimalist, live with very little. All you have to do is preach to quit your job and live with very little. And that minimalism is the way to live your life. Like, uh, okay. Dude, I feel like that time when I was a kid and I was in like Spencer gifts or Chess King at the mall.

And there was a mirror on each side of the video and I could see into infinity. Right, that's exactly what it is. It's not, it doesn't work that way. They even illustrate that point because the guy talks about when is a good time to take on debt. And the other guy says there's never a good reason to take on debt.

debt is bad, there's only bad debt. And the guy says, well, wait a second, what about one of the brain surgeon? School's expensive. So wouldn't it make sense? So this is what this fucking ass hat says about brain surgeon and the fact that you don't have to take on debt.

Is there a brain surgeon who made it through all of college and left debt free? The answer is yes. It's not unequivocally yes. Yes. So you have a recipe. All right According to this logic mark. Let's say you're a Cuban and you want to get out of Cuba Are there Cuban to escape that country and became professional baseball players mark? Just the right answer is yes So if you know what I save Cuba and pitch up the bullpen for the Cincinnati Reds that's on us all because it's been done before

There's a fucking recipe for it follow the blueprint this fucking idiot man I just thought that was so funny it's like well you know there is a time when you take on that and if you want to get an education and better yourself no fuck that here's something that I believe completely right here's what I'll say I Do want people to feel bad Yep, yeah, it worked Listening to this podcast and watching this documentary today, but here's the thing has made me feel bad Carl I just don't believe these guys. I don't believe that he drives a 2001 Corolla with a leaking roof and 300,000 miles on it

I don't believe that these guys are out of debt I don't believe a goddamn word they say because you just can't live like that. So you're what you're saying is the priest who preaches God all day and then goes and fucks children is a little bit of a hypocrite. These guys are the pedophiles of the minimalist world. Thank you! That's what I was trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Oh boy, here comes the lawsuit. So the guy talks about how wanting things is what leads you to unhappiness. And you only want things because marketing tells you

you want them. Marketing and advertising is the devil in the world. And when it tells you you want something because it's the cool thing, then you want it and that's what makes you want happy. And then this guy says this. Okay. I really want to Tesla Model 3.

Yeah. Like 30,000 bucks. You got to put thousand bucks down. I don't even think if you get one right now, you can't even get a tool 2018. Okay. But my point is, is like, if I did that, I got the thousand bucks.

I've started saving for one. Mm-hmm. I got a thousand bucks, I could put down, and then I could totally take out a loan. This is where I start to believe you, Mark. How does this guy not able to afford a $30,000 car? They are living off of this book and this tour. How are they able in that case to go on this tour

with all these stuff? You've been in bands, I've been in bands. Just going to frickin' suracuse costs a couple hundred bucks in playin', right? No, these guys are raking in a lot of money from this racket. Obviously, they have a Patreon, they have tour stops, they sell books, and they're selling out tour stops, apparently. Because Barnes and Noble has like seven seats in the community.

So this is, right after he talks about the Tesla, and this is something that just irritates the shit out of me. Yeah, like that's my plan. It's in the next two, maybe two and a half years, I'll have the money saved up to buy this car. More an important word though, plan. Yeah. Oh, fucking douchebag.

These guys are just fucking blow hard. They think that they've invented something that's new. So wait a second, in order to make a major purchase, you're gonna plan on how to save the money to make that purchase That's good man, you know who's smart, you know who'd love you know who'd love these guys. Oh Travis and other fuck face from the show We did like oh yeah the millennials yeah Those guys yeah because it's more pointing out the obvious It's like you are the last person to get there and you're like guess what I just figured out everybody

I got a podcast about it It's like yeah, we know it's not good to buy things that you can't afford and then pay them off in installments to have Interest rates. I'm gonna do a book we got it. I'm gonna do a book about not masturbating with 30 grit sandpaper Right and then I'm gonna do like a documentary on it. Yeah, and and you know what? Cast and people you can call it and ask me questions about like what proper grit to use. Right. Astrobating.

Exactly. They're going to call you up and be like, so I've been using a more fine sand paper lately and it's still just taking all the skin off my cock and you're like, okay, all right, it's up college. No, they could have be called. Thanks for calling it. And the book's going to be called The Sensual Abration. I like it.

So you're going to be like, color, here's the thing. There is no type of sandpaper that is good for Mastermaining. I know you've tried them all, you know, just like there's no such thing as good debt. There's no such thing. Right. The best sandpaper is no sandpaper. Exactly. And even their intro song, Mark, it lacks nuance. Like these guys just have no way of talking in a way that's provocative or profound it's just feeding your greed, or I bet that you'll be fine without it. Is that like Bob Dylan just sped up? Probably. Could they fucking be any more obvious with them? Like, I could have listened to that theme song and be like, okay, I get this whole podcast. Yeah, we got it. We get it. And by the way, I do want to point out that I have two iPads and my MacBook Pro that I'm using right now because I took notes on multiple devices.

You look like the douchey's EDM DJ. I'm seriously never seen. Well, the reason is, Mark, is because I wanted to watch their documentary, which I was able to watch because I have a Netflix subscription, and I own an iPad Pro that I was able to watch that out have a Netflix subscription and I own an iPad Pro that I was able to watch that out with my Netflix subscription and take notes with my other iPad while I watch that. Can I ask you a quick question, girl? Yes, please. Are you? Is your bank balance going up? My bank balance is going up. Yes. Okay. Good.

I just figured out. I know. Exactly. I didn't buy my iPad Pro and then pay it off over 10 years. I bought it because I had the money for it and it adds value to my life. I know, exactly. I didn't buy my iPad Pro and then pay it off over 10 years. I bought it because I had the money for it and it adds value to my life. So I guess what it really comes down to is, yeah, don't do stupid things with your money. Don't think buying things will make you happy. And that's true, because if you have a job

and it makes you miserable and then you decide you're gonna try to compromise by buying expensive things that you think will make you happy that now you have to go to work and you can't lose this job because you have to pay for your shit. That's true. We all agree on that but that's so obvious You don't need someone to explain this to you, but you know what you can't get there without supplements Well, that's your joke. What's with with the len? What were they talking about? Yeah, I can't remember Like this guy I think it's the thupp supplements that gave him the mercury poison and the strontium poisoning this guy's got more lot of supplements. I think it's the supplements that gave him the mercury poison. Yeah. And the strontium poisoning.

Yeah. This guy's got more heavy metal than Judas Priest. Mm-hmm. And at the end of the day, I think one of the most responsible things you can do with your own money is not let a couple of con men talk you out of it with a seductive idea. Again, I agree with the basic premise here, but the idea that they've turned this into some type of a cult where if you even decide that you want to have a car payment and drive a nice or car, you're an asshole. I tell people like you're a fucking idiot that I don't know why you would ever do that.

And quite frankly Mark, my car payment does not give me any stress in life at all. In fact, I'd be much more stressed out if I had that shitty Toyota Corolla. It doesn't matter how many of you you got in fuel pump. It doesn't matter fucking AC at all. I think that would have been a lot worse. Yeah, wheel bearing just went. But again, remember that these guys are loving life

because of this cult that they're in. Dude, I love me some jokes, man. That's one of my favorite ice cells. I'll be using that on many WAT phases. I love me some jokes, man. So one of the things I notice about this show is, you know, we played it at the beginning where they're just cracking each other up.

There is force laughter going on between these two buddies, even buddies for 20 years, they're just such good friends. This is a compilation I put together of nothing but force laughter and it's prevalent throughout the podcast. lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol reached a new low. Yeah, that is really what the show is. Is that these guys trying to make a scene like they're having so much fucking fun. Life is so great because they have a shitty car that they drive around and don't have a car pavement. What do they live? San Francisco? San Francisco or is it Portland or what? They're in Montana. And this is the new one. This is another thing. They talk about Montana. And then they say, but we're moving

soon. We're moving to a new city. But they won't say where but they won't say where Because they wanted they want to put out a little teaser. Let's give them a little bit of a teaser They go all right. Here's a little bit of a teaser. It's a new one of the 140 cities we recently visited Okay, whatever gets a shit. Why would I give a fuck where these guys live? How can I possibly care about that? You know, you tease it. People might want to take a minute for dinner. Until they realize that these guys don't spend money

going out for dinner with friends, right? Going out for dinner is one of the fucking big no-nose according to these guys. That's the other thing too. Let's say that everybody adopts this lifestyle. And again, I think that we overspend I don't think money buys happiness. But let's just say that, okay, let's cut out all the non-essentials.

So everyone who owns a restaurant just is out of business and has no way of making a living anymore. Nete, that got us really far. Great job. Like is this supposed to be how everyone is supposed to live in order to be happy? Because if everyone quits their day job that makes them miserable and stops spending money. Isn't that what we had in medieval times? I've been to medieval times, man. There was like a gesture. Well, that is pretty fast. Yeah, that's pretty fast. But I really, you know, I think they're charlatans and I I just don't see the veracity in what

they're doing and how they're trying to sell it. Luke comes down to that. So the whole thing is that they're minimalist, the documentary is called minimalism, and then they have a friend who has a side thing, and I feel like this is not the best name for it. Tracking, it's going to be really important, but I'll have Beck start to, so, and she'll probably put this on her blog minimal wellness calm as well So I get the minimal I guess the I get the minimal is the thing the connects on this stuff

But minimal wellness is not a great name for a blog Which you agree? It depends if the poster three lines. Maybe we can work with it All right, here's another thing that just irritated me anyone who's Listen to my show over the years would know why this pisses me off. We're on the NPR1 app for those of you who are sophisticated and have the NPR as your your main place to go. Oh fuck them. Yeah. Oh people who like NPR are so sophisticated. Oh, love it. Can you turn up the NPR show? I don't know what to tell you. know what I do, but I only watch the fun drives.

So we did on WATP episode 14, we did, wait, wait, don't tell me. On episode 18, we did ask me another, both MPR podcasts, both awful shows that suck. And the advertising support is all vodka and beer, which means their listeners are alcoholics. Well, well, well, it's like fucking full of yourself. Are you sure? There's not a plant in the bar who's secret job it is. Exactly.

That's all one random guy in some beer. I know. Could you imagine that business model? Listen Bill, we've been paying you 60,000 a year in order to get people to buy one extra bud light at the bar. This is not working out for us. I don't know if you understand on this work. Oh, shit.

But you know what, one other thing that bothered me about the format. Okay. I want to talk about the format. Good. These guys aren't radio guys. By their background, they're cell phone hawkers, right? They sold to the droid. So, they come to this book and then they decide they're going to do podcasts. They turn the podcast right away into a morning suit Hmm, how do you mean right away with the false laughter with the big intro with the the 20 minute aside that has nothing to do Okay, so this is what I wanted to talk about this podcast is supposed to be about budgeting and At the 30 minute and 40 second, they finally get to this part. I wish you probably... Let's move on with it.

We should probably dive in then to this episode about budgeting. I'll tell you what, I've got a pee really quick. Let's take a quick bath and break. Hey, Sean. Dude, no, I was gonna recommend something for Sean to do, but you, what was your recommendation? I wanna hear yours first, and then... I was just gonna slide over.

I was gonna tell him to put some cheesy elevator music in like Have some good music Okay, couple things first off over 30 minutes in they're like okay, we're gonna get this thing started now So to your point what was all this nonsense to begin with? Second thing is they're doing a fucking podcast. Why do they have to have music playing while they go, guy goes and takes a pee. They could hit pause. Pause it. And then do this thing called editing, and to the fact where you should have done with the beginning segment when they were cracking each other out. But instead what they did was they hot some music. Like this is awesome music, we're gonna play this music while I pee, and it was shooting music. And he goes, and this is from

so-and-so, you can get his EP, it's available for sale here, and it's like whoa. That like whoa, I was sitting next to you at the bar and you're talking about that bud light now great I don't understand what these guys are trying to accomplish because Obviously they own computers they own iPhones or some type of smart phone They tell you to go buy music. What is it you're supposed to take out here? That seems like a non-essential to me, right? I just can't wait for the full minimalist line of products. Yeah, right again. Do you want to be a minimalist? You need to buy your T-shirt. The minimalist T-shirt. The shirt would be seven-hours skews. And the T-shirt is going to send true's life.

I'm going to get my minimalist handbag. That's what everyone's using. God, I want a couple of frauds. So, the guy says at one point during this show That he has a Twitter account for his daughter. I think it is or is that would be Ella friend's daughter something like that Mm-hmm, and he says well, I don't I don't have Twitter on my phone I write it in the notes section and then when I get to a computer I type it into the computer just like someone in federal prison does what the fuck Who doesn't have Twitter on their phone? That's the whole point of Twitter.

You can download it for free. It doesn't even have to go on the junk category. All right, I know that you guys know the- No, you know, I bet he doesn't have a smartphone. I bet he has a flip phone. I think they do have smartphones. I think they definitely do. He's writing it down in the notes section.

I doubt he's typing 6666 in order to get it. Oh, I'm just thinking that smartphone is shooting strontium 19 right now's brain. That's true. That's a good point. No, I just I thought that was hilarious because these guys are all about getting rid of unnecessary things. How about things that are time savers? Like instead of typing that it did notes that retyping it to Twitter, you get the Twitter app on your phone.

I don't know. Fraud. I'm crazy. Mark, I think you have one more clip on here. Oh yeah, I'm gonna play this last clip that you wanted me to pull for you where they call out every single person who could possibly be listening to the show. If anyone out there needs to be shaken a little bit more, I don't have time to read this right now, but there is an essay on our website called 11 Signs. You might be broke. And here's the thing. We're all broke or broken at some point in our lives.

And that essay, it's just the minimalists.com slash broke. We'll put a link to it in the show notes as well. Some of the key indicators that you might be broke. One, you're living paycheck to paycheck. Number two, you have credit card debt. Number three, you have student loan debt. Number four, you have a monthly car payment Again with the monthly fucking car payment your broke if you have a car payment Mark

If you see the people who blew up the street for me over here they Don't give a fuck I see a new Porsche coming down the street every day and I don't think those people are broke The only reason they would ever miss a car payment is if they get their credit card expires and so they get sent a new one. Right, they don't put a change in the auto pay. Yes, Americans must black car right to apologize for. Yeah, so their whole definition of broke is, I don't know. You know, it's sensationalistic.

It is. It's overwrought. It's designed to scare the gullible. Yes. And it's irresponsible. Mark, let's talk about something more fun. Beer? Exactly.

Mark is a beer aficionado. I don't know what you call yourself, but you write a column about beer. You've been doing it for many years. I was at the store today buying some beer. How do you feel about this time of year? We're in the fall season now. The fall season is almost infuriating time to be a beer lover. Okay. That's

interesting because I feel I feel very different. I love me some October Fessel though that Sarah Nakal was pretty awful. But I even like the pumpkin beers. Oh go fuck yourself, Carl. Okay. That's what I thought you would say. Seriously. Like the end of fall starts in June Yeah, because they start pumping out the pumpkin spice earlier in earlier every year and then then for the next six months The bars we go to you know the shitty bars that that try to keep prices low by buying the remainders and leftovers from the Distributors like it's the next June and there's like pumpkin beer from the year before I hate pumpkin beer So I'm at wagons today and This is a grocery store. It doesn't give give you free stuff you have to pay for it and they have southern tier pumpkin. It's a decent beer if you like

that sort of thing I assume you don't. It was a four pack for $14. Is that that seems fucking nuts to me right? I cannot wait for the craft beer market to collapse. Yes is that even possible? I want the whole bear stern's treatment to nuts to me, right? I cannot wait for the craft beer market to collapse. Yes, is that even possible? I want the whole Bear Stearns treatment to happen to the craft beer market as fast as possible. I just think that's insane that you can sell four bottles of beer for $14. That's fucking garbage. I mean a pumpkin beer, they're just adding spice to it. It's not, they're not making it for fucking pumpkins or anything. And you know, and this is the weird thing about this point in the show.

Yeah. You bring it around to making me say that Josh and Ryan, Yeah. When you think about things like $14.4 packs of craft beer, maybe these guys have a point. It's true. You know what? I am going to be a minimalist.

I'm going to be down to 52 things that I own, but all those 62 things, at least three of my iPads and my new Vive VR headset We'll definitely be a good and this and you'll play the VR. Yes. Let's go play VR It's fucking sweet. All right, so we've reached that that part in our show which part Josh Let's give him a little bit of a teaser okay let's do that all right so this is the part of the show the people love I get more notes they're like holy shit I just fast forward and I skip through and then I get to the teaser because that is do you know what this part of the show is? I do and I was the possibilities are endless the possibilities for shooting on a next show

They're just endless right. What this is what happens people listen to the show like all these guys are gonna Have a witty take there's gonna be something interesting and I'm not really but maybe next week they will my god You have the formula down I do right yeah, it's like Jerry Springer You'd watch Jerry Springer like I don't know what that many fights then they'd be like tomorrow on Jerry Springer Holy shit I have to see that it's like this surf rock band. I know right Oh, fuck you in between songs I'm very recorded jokes and I just skip through the songs to the jokes. Oh, there you So this is the part of the show if you're not familiar where we play a clip of the podcast that we'll be listening to next week in reviewing Because we want to get people excited about it. You know, it's why I call it the teaser

Because it teases people market gets them excited about it. That somebody doesn't exist yet, but will Next week, I am dripping with anticipation. I can tell So we've gotten actually we've gotten a lot of podcast suggestions recently. I want to thank Andrew Derek who wants us to review his podcast, which is noble of you. Thank you Derek. Derek rocks We have Matt. We have Scott a lot of folks have reached out recently and we encourage everyone to give us your podcast suggestions. We actually had, we had an interesting comment on our website that I wanted to talk about real quick. This guy says, at first I hated this annoying show, but I keep listening because I am a Saddle Messochistic person. The auto quality needs to be better, but the layout of the show is great. I'd like to hear your reviews of God Awful Movies and Zombie Takeout.

Would leave a review on iTunes, but I don't use the sheep ecosystem. Keep up the fun. So thank you. iTunes is in the junk category. Yeah, oh definitely. iTunes is not an essential. So thank you for those suggestions suggestions and here is said teaser. You know who was legal in New York in 2003? Lane Meister. I checked.

We're good. Doesn't matter when the movie was filmed. It's about the release date. That's the one that can't really get us out. I checked that too. And quick, quick, quick sitting 81. So my right is my bad friend Eli Bosnick. Eli, how are you this fine afternoon, sir?

Well kind of bummed out. I just found out my crush is like way way too old for me. So I don't really know. I guess we can talk about the movie, yes, but it. Yeah. All right. So this is called God Awful Movies. It comes from the suggestion on our website.

We're going to be listening to episode number 108, Hangman's Curse from September 12, 2017. Basically, these are three angry atheists who review Christian movies. And I will tell you, they have hundreds of reviews on iTunes and they're all extremely positive. Now, they do correct themselves up as you can tell from that clip. There's going to be a lot of laughing at each other's jokes. Do they apply tenuous, tenuous ignorant theology? I have no idea. I have not listened to the show yet. I'm just going on the seven seconds I listen to and our friend Scott's suggestion on our website. So we'll be listening to that.

It sounds a lot like how did this get made with people who aren't famous or talented. But I don't want to jump to any conclusions. Far be it for me to discuss something of that matter. I mean, to each their own is what I always say. Live a life. Well, thank you for picking me for this one and not that one. Yeah, you're not into the Atheus movie review?

Yeah, as an Atheus who hates hates other atheists, I would say no. All right, fair enough. You know what? I'm actually in the same boat. I feel that atheism has turned into a religion for some people. And the whole idea that I don't believe in any type of religion that's been man-made on this planet is because I don't want to deal with any of that nonsense. Well, actually, you know what?

I'd be left alone of all of that shit. Carl, I do believe in one religion. I've become converted. Oh, my religion is now minimalism. So please join us again next week because it might be the episode where we find out once and for all, who are these podcasts? Sleep well, everybody.

Party in the mush, this, of morning radio. And now to show these clothes right now. I'm going to be a little bit more about the music. I'm going to be a little bit more about the music. I'm going to be a little bit more about the music. I'm going to be a little bit more about the music. I'm going to be a little bit more

about the music. I'm going to be a little bit more about the music. I'm going to be a little bit more about the music. You know, who are these? Podcasts. I don't know. I don't get it. Makes no sense.