WHOA That's Good Podcast - Answering Your DM’s w/ John Luke & Mary Kate: Forgiveness, Laughter, and Parenthood

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

Sadie welcomes her brother and sister-in-law, John Luke & Mary-Kate Robertson, to answer listeners DM’s. Listen in as they share the story of how they began dating, discuss forgiveness & laughter in marriage, and their new season as a parents.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to the WoW That's Good Podcast Fam! Today I legit have fam in the house! Normally it's my mom, normally it's Christian, but today we are blessed with the cutest married couple with a little baby besides my other sibling who's married with the baby. Marry Kate and John Luke! Welcome! We're married with the baby. Merry-Kate and John Luke, welcome. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Hey, good to be here.

Yeah, we're so excited to be here. I think it's for having us. So exciting. OK, so it's kind of funny because I know y'all, because y'all are obviously my family and friends, but you guys are a big deal to the world Because we posted y'all's picture and DMs were flying. We're like, where are you guys on the everyday? Okay, where are y'all for us? But you guys are awesome. Everybody loves y'all

But I want to treat you any different that treat everybody else So what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given and generally you have been on our podcast? Yes, don't repeat yourself unless it actually is just the best piece ever. Okay, well, that was the best piece ever. Yeah. Yeah. This is specifically in this season of life.

Mark Twain said, if you have to eat a frog, best do it in the morning. If you have to eat two frogs, best do them one after the other. And the whole idea behind that is, like, first thing you do every morning, you do the hardest thing, you have to do that day. You have to do two more things, do them back to back. That way you get them

out, you get them all the way in the morning and then you're rest of the day, you're free. That actually never heard that could. That's so good. And especially in this time is when I've really, really impacted my life in sense of like with coronavirus and with being so like up in the air on things and so many hard decisions I have to make. It's just been so freeing for me to like wake up and like, okay, I know exactly what I'm gonna do this morning. Horsing after you today. That's so good, I love that.

And for those of you who don't know, Johnny Grant's a summer camp, got camp yoga. So you legit, if you wanted to take it seriously, you could go like eat a frog in the morning just to be like, I am committed. Uh-huh. But don't do that. It doesn't make me think,

do you remember that snow come from Debbie's, we used to get called Frog and a Blender? Yeah. Yes. It's so good. It's like cherry, baby. It's something that makes it brown. Yeah, it's like green apple and cherry.

Yeah. Frog and cherry. Yeah. It's so good. Okay, did you think of one? Okay, I thought of one. It's actually a Bible verse, but Lisa turkers. I think it maybe it was like an Instagram caption or a book or something. I don't remember. But she brought up, it was Galatians 6 and it's in the message version.

I think it's verse 5. But it says, each of you must take responsibility for doing the creative best you can with your own life. That's cool. And I think it was just saying, like, God has you where you are for a reason and has given you all you need. Yeah.

To do what he's called you to do. Like, you're not missing out on anything. You're not missing any of your tools. And when she said that, when I heard that verse, I was feeling really bad with my health. And I was like, Oh, I just don't feel like my body is working at like how it should be for me to be able to do everything I need to do. And it just was so freeing to be like, No, God's given me everything I need to do. Like, I'm not missing out on anything. Like, he's got me right now. Give me what I need to do.

What he wants me to do. That's so good. And it was just very freeing to not be thinking, oh, she thinks should be like this, like this, like no, I'm good where I'm at. I love that. I feel like we get caught in that a lot. It's like, oh, if things were like this, then we would be doing that. And so they're like, no, right here right now, like we have what we need. That is so good.

And it's really cool because asking people the best piece of advice they've been given, you always see it, like like lived out in their life. You could almost guess what people are going to say. Now that I've done like three seasons, we stopped counting seasons so the third season has like 30 episodes. But now that we've done this, like when I hear people, I'm like, that makes so much sense because I see that in your life. I'd generally keep doing a lot of hard things.

Just running a summer camp at your age, like that's crazy, dealing with a lot of people, and that can be hard in different ways, and fun, but hard. And then Marikate, like, even the word creative was in there, and it's so cool, because like you take where you're at, and even just like your life as a married woman, and a mom, and like thrive, and like creative ways,

and it's super cool to see. And so I love that. Plus I was thinking like we should start a point system for That's good and if you actually use a Bible verse you get like 10 points That's also I love that okay, so this is kind of on the same Waveling but a lot of people were DMing because this is asking asking questions from DMs where the DM people lead the Podcasts and so many people said what was the best relationship advice that y'all got? And so anything come to your mind?

I think for me, early in our marriage, one thing that a lot of people said was just forgive, just at any point forgive. And being married, like you realize like that is such a just constant thing of just like forgiveness and the small things, forgiveness and the big things from like Lingman's hell on the floor to

Everything else that goes along with marriage. He's just a constantly like forgiveness giving them a bit from the doubt Recently with camp and everything going on Jeff Bethkey is doing his family teams stuff One of the things that he talks about is like seeing your family as a team. And that's something I've been thinking about a lot lately in our marriage, because I think for guys, especially, is very easy to compartmentalize the team you're on, whether that's work or sports or whatever,

your team work and not seeing your wife as a part of the whole team that you're on. In the sense of like the things that you would do for your team, giving the benefit out, like addressing conflict, working through finding solutions the best thing, you don't think about that mindset when you think about your marriage,

but it's all really the same stuff is like, giving your team the benefit out, working through conflict, finding the best solutions and to accomplish the goal that you're trying to accomplish, which is to love each other as best as possible. That's so good. I'll take that for me in Christian's marriage and we love being a team. So that's awesome. I love that. Make it anything come to mind. I had two things. The first was like, right before we got married, pastor growing up the whole like Marriage triangle thing with like God at the top. I just still think that is so accurate, right? Like God at the top us each out of corner at the bottom and like the closer we're getting to God the closer

We're getting to each other and my pastor had told me he was like look if one of you like starts You know getting further away like if you start to feel, the best thing you can do is not run after them, but just run after God. And the closer you get to God, the closer you're going to get to them. And I just thought that was huge. And then probably like a year into our marriage, either you or your mom, I can't remember,

was just talking about, and it's so cliche, but it's so true, but just learning to laugh. And like, just learning to laugh at each other and not take every single thing so seriously It makes things so much more fun. That's so good learning to laugh sometimes like the clearest Shays things the short ones are really the ones that impact you the most because like you can hold on to that It's like in a moment like I can't you don't learn to laugh and I'm better that sometimes because I can be so sensitive Which I really think that you're kind of like got it halfway out of me whenever you're calling me sensitive Sally for a year.

But that was brutal. But no, sensitivity is hard and learning to laugh is huge for that. So that's awesome. Something that people asked a lot was how in wind did you all meet? And I had the honor of sitting this all play out. So y'all tell the story of how and when you'reall met, but that's not how and when y'all started dating. So you can kind of go into that too.

Right. We met. I was in, I guess, we were both 15. We were both 15. And this year, so I'm the director of Camp Shokka now. Mm-hmm. Been here my entire life where me and Sadie went grew up. But for a couple of years, it went through rough patching close

down. During that time, I went to a different camp called Kings Camp. And that's the camp that Mary Kate went to. Isn't that crazy? The years that it shut down is the years that you all met. I never came up that. Yeah. What did you do? You think? It's cool. So we met then and we were assigned to the same like Olympic Day team type thing. We're both on the red team And so we kind of talked then and then our first like real conversation was we were partnered together for the wall sit competition Oh brutal So we're like sitting on the wall next to each other and that's when we first started talking and it's funny Now I'm thinking about it because I was like let's just like talk about something like yeah

Just talk this is horrible like let's get our minds off of it And I literally said so do you have any siblings and you're like yeah, I do I've got like It's a lot of three sisters and a brother and so oh my god about you there that is so crazy That's a miracle on itself that young man at a wall sitting, going to just, and made it because that would be my worst person impression. I feel like, oh, that's awesome. And then, so I don't know if everybody knows this,

but after that Mary Kate ended up coming to her high school and she went to a different high school. And then we met and her little sister and we all became like best friends. And so it's just crazy how life works out. And then young kind of tell when you all started dating because I'll never forget the day that you were. Well, we were when she transferred.

I transferred like a year later. A year later. And we set things to each other in class, became friends, relationship, kind of built up, built up. And she was friends with Sadie. And so we were just hung out like a lot and really saw each other a lot and started liking each other and then we Officially started dating on how Sadie pronounced at the time the itdies of March March 15 The itdies every year

We always celebrate the itdies like guys That protects like it will be like silent for a year and we'll be like the itdies It's like the three of us in my sister So funny we all do talk regularly. It's just yeah, it is a march doesn't always it's not always happening for us That's so funny. Oh my gosh Okay, so this is an interesting question and I really want to know what y'all think because I mean you're in high school So this question could be true, it could be not true. But somebody says, a lot of people say that like when you know, you know, is that a true statement or what do y'all think about that? Like when you know, you know, like

you just know he's the one or you know she's the one. I've always said that. I'm kind of one to kind of throw that out there because that was true for us. Yeah. It was like, oh, you know, you know, but I think there are things that play into that. Yeah. I think you have to be actually very self-aware. Yeah. And like, know yourself in that and then also be really sensitive to the Holy Spirit. And that like, you're like, already has to be close to him. Because I think some people can be kind of in denial. Like, oh, yeah, we're totally getting in here. And it could be a really bad relationship. Yeah. We had no bad signs. Like all of our family was really happy with like us together.

Like there was no red flags. That's so good. I love how you said that. Because I think people think that you know you know is like a glance. So it's like a magical like, I just know he's the one. It's not like, I know he's the one because I feel a piece about this

and my family loves him. And like, there are actual things that are great about our relationship that make me know he's the one. Like, that's so good. I think for me, you could say like, I saw Mary Kate and I was like, she's the one. I absolutely loved her and wanted to marry her,

but like in the grand scheme of things, how do we have not met? How do things worked out differently? For both of us, there would have been someone else. Like it's not like saying we're looking at each other and be like, oh, they're the one, as if like we're the only one person that we could, should, would marry in our entire lives.

It worked out that way. And obviously super happy and excited about that. And also, yeah. Super happy. I'm excited about that and also Since of what make it said we never used that like she's the one to push anyone else away or in any kind of defensive way Yeah, like it wasn't like someone was saying like I don't think this is a good idea. Yeah, we were saying oh She's the one yeah, it was always like oh,, oh, she's the one. She's the one. It was always like, oh yeah, I think she's the one. Everyone saw it.

Everyone agreed with it. Everyone was like, oh yeah, this is really awesome. Yeah. Everybody listened to what they're saying. Like, their community loved that person. And that's huge. Like, if you're like sisters, your brothers, your friends, your parents, or at peace with somebody, they pay attention to that.

And if they're not, pay attention to that. Huge red flag for sure And conversations worth having and so that's awesome and so now you guys have a baby Little John Shepvy boy. His name is John Shepvy and he's the cutest little snuggle bug I love him. He's the snugglers baby and people are asking what's that transition like from being newlyweds To being married a few years and then having a baby. And how do you, I'm sure this was a young mom that asked, how do you guys have intentional time together now with a baby in the picture?

I'm all about that sleep training. I'll just say that. He goes to bed at seven. I mean, he's been going to bed at seven for a while now. And so we have the whole evening together. And like no matter what goes on, I mean, every now and then of course, I kill have a bad night or something.

But I know that no matter how tired I feel during the day, how maybe we haven't gotten to talk much that day, like after seven, we can do whatever. We can hang out and see each other. And it feels like it's just us. It is, it's just us after seven, so it's fine. I love that you'all do that. I think the best advice for that,

if someone told us that your baby's life revolves around you, not your life revolves around your baby. Yeah, that's true. Or more so your family. Your family. Yeah, and that's where that whole family teams are. Right, and so like we structure his schedule around the time that we want to spend together

in our schedule and not the other way around. That way when we're looking at when are we going to have time together, we're being intentional like, okay, he's got to go to bed here because we have plans that we're going to do. That's so good. I feel like we factor all three of us into like, I love that. I love that. And operating like a family team, like what's going to be best for everybody. I love that. So what's the thing you've seen in each other is parents that maybe you didn't see before, like that you've fallen more in love with each other. You're like, well, that's really cool

that you're like that as a mom or you're like that as a dad. I think just sometimes John Luthor randomly be like, oh, I can't believe how much I love him. Like, he'll just randomly have these like outbursts of just like how much he loves John Shepherd and that's in really sweet. That's so sweet. I love that. I think for me, it's just her consistent commitment to him

and just how much she loves him and is so excited for him and is like for everything, like his outfit, does he mean walking thing, his like everything, he's like her little best friend. We're best friends, yeah. You're just such a good mom, like so consistent and everybody in our family sees that, you're such a good mom. Like so consistent. And everybody in our family sees that.

And you're such a good dad, Johnny. The Josie, Sean Johnson and Andrew, their videos are hilarious. They're all so cute. Yeah, so cool. And have a baby. And the other day, she was videoing him crying. And she was like, why are you crying?

You're just like, I just love her so much. I was just making me think of that with the random verse of love. Okay. So what is y'all's ideal date situation? Like if it was like y'all's perfect date, what would that look like? I can think of something that y'all have done

that made me laugh so hard because me and Christian would have never done. And I'm wondering if you're gonna say it. Oh, I'm glad. Yeah. You should just say it. I'm gonna say it. You say no went to the bookstore and just like picked out books together. We do that every Valentine's Day.

That's every Valentine's Day. That is delicious. We go to the bookstore. We go to like Barnes and Noble and we each get a book. That is amazing. Every Valentine's Day, they go to Barnes and Noble, get a book and that is like, they love it. Because like, you'll book them to read so much.

Like, it made a Christian with the Barnes and Noble We would be like in the faith based fashion like look at this book I just found a bob goff and Jinson Frankland and then we'd get like way too many books that we probably read half of a couple Like you know, but y'all get like books that like I wouldn't think of getting y'all get like fiction I wouldn't think of getting it. You know, I get like fiction. It's awesome. It's funny because our Valentine's Day, it's like we go to Barnes Notebook and then we just wonder around by ourselves for like two hours.

I know. We realize this past year it's kind of ironic. Yeah, because we're really not together. We're not together at all. And then every once in a while we'll come together and be like, hey, okay, I'm thinking this one. Okay, what do you think? Yeah, yeah.

So, is it safe to say are y'all introverts? Yes. Both of y'all. Definitely safe. I would definitely say y'all are introverts too. And somebody actually asked her like, what's it like being introverts married? So that's what it's like.

You individually go to get the person at one individually go read books. That's amazing. That's exactly what it's like. It's so funny. All right, now I have to ask this since we talked about introverts actually. What's y what it's like. It's so funny. All right, now I'll add to this since we talked about introvert extrovert. What's yours any other numbers?

Seven, for me, which a lot of people say I'm the only introvert seven they know. It's true, but you're such a seven. No question that you're a seven, but you're definitely introverted. That's a really cool combo. Are you eight when you're a six-wing? I used to say I was a six-wing, but lately I'm definitely eight definitely eight wing. You've been honing in on your eight.

I like to think of it as like my actual arm seeing wings. Like this is my wing getting very sharp. I think yeah, I think it just like with my friends I'm seven wings six, but then like with work and everything I've just like had to be more on the eight side. I understand that. One time I had tested eight and everybody was like you're

not eight then I looked at what was going on in my life. I was like, I'm just like had to be more on the eight side. I understand that. One time I tested it eight, and everybody was like, you're not an eight, then I looked at what was going on in my life. I was like, yep, I've had to be that. Like sometimes you have to be an eight. Yeah. I have a little eight that you got to come into at some points. I'm a two-some-I-eight, it's where I go to when I'm stressed. You're aware of your eight, too.

So I am. I am. That's awesome. Well, we had the same Myers-Briggs one time. Really? And I remember reading the description. And it said, it called us like extroverted introverts. Oh, cool.

And I was like, I've always thought that's like perfect. Yeah, y'all are. Because I feel like that's exactly how we are. Yeah, because y'all can hang into like big group, really fun, fun, and you said like that. But like y'all also are like more introverted. Yeah. It's really funny too, because so I'm a six on the Instagram and Christian's a three, but when we did the Myers-Briggs, so the six is a loyal sell on the Instagram and his

Myers-Briggs name was the loyalist, which is kind of cool. Yeah, it's cool. Some of those weird together, like in your relationship you see. All right, last question I'll ask. And this is just because we ask like what are relationship questions you have and I feel like this question could just actually open up the door to a lot of get advice but Grace sent in did you feel ready for marriage and once you got in how do you get you set that like being married and I feel like me and Christian could probably talk about this in a lot of different angles and

so what do you guys think did you feel ready ready? And then if not, or if so, what did that transition look like once you were in there? I don't know if ready is necessarily the right term to use. I think this kind of goes back to like saying, like, oh, she's the one. In the sense of like every day it's a choice. Yeah.

And so when you feel like you're getting married, like you are deciding they're the person I love, they are the person who's gonna be married. And then you're getting married, like you are deciding they're the person I love, they're the person who gonna be married. And then once you get married, it's that daily choice of growing closer, sticking to it, forgiving, love like doing what you have to do to like stay married and build your relationship

and love each other. And so I don't know in the sense of like, like when you say ready, it's like you prepare something to get ready, but there's nothing to prepare, except for your own relationship. Your heart. Yeah, your own relationship with Christ and your own heart. Yeah, that's really cool.

I feel like it's similar as whenever you decide like to have a baby. It's kind of like, well, I guess someone's ready as well, ever be. Yeah, like I don't know if we ever feel like prepared enough for some things, but it is like that daily choice. Yeah. For sure. That's so good. I don't know if we ever feel like prepared enough for some things, but it is like that daily choice. Yeah, for sure. That's so good. I was thinking that because, I mean, we're all young.

Like, how are we all young? We're in 19. So 19, we're 21 and 20. And so relatively young from a world's point of view. And it's not that you'd say like, we're gonna look back in five years and be like, whoa, like it's crazy to think like, we didn't know it all.

You're never gonna know it all. But if you're ready in the sense, like you said, like I'm ready because my heart is like, in Christ, for Christ, this relationship is in Christ, for Christ, that's what like, our purpose is to do and we're just committed to it. Like this is a covenant relationship, you understand that, then you're ready.

And then you figure it out as you go. Yeah. Learn a lot and you grow a lot. No, it's crazy. Even Christian had to be married for six months. We've grown so much and learned so much, even in six months, you know, because you're just going to, especially like merging your life with another person. It's so cool. Y'all have so much good advice. I know some of people are going to be so blessed. A lot of of you are going to be so blessed a lot of introverts You're going to feel very seen and heard and also I want to shout out everything that you'll have gone on your life John Luke does run a summer camp camp shioka. You should totally come to camp next summer It's gonna be too legit to quit. There's middle school high school things for kids one of the day campers age

What does it start five to 18 five Also, we always need, well, you know, I don't mean counselors. Yeah, summer staff. 18 to 24 year old. 18 to 24 year olds, if you're interested in an volunteering at a summer camp, call the number. Go to Instagram, camp shoga, follow along. And Mary Kate has her own stuff going on. She has a wellness page. I don't know if you've seen it. Mary Kate, what's your bonus page again? Mary Kate has her own stuff going on. She has a wellness page. I don't know if you've seen it. Mary Kate, what's your bonus page again? Mary Kate Rob wellness. Mary Kate Rob wellness.

And it's actually really, that is full of good advice. Because Mary Kate got me this essential oilless kit and I was like, oh shoot, like I love this but I don't want to do it with it. But I look at her page and I get some facts. She also post secutious pictures of John Shepherd. Do you still do your blog? Not so much sometimes.

But she has a blog and you can get caught up on all the history of the blog. But they're also just an adorable family to follow. So go follow Jelike Amerike on Instagram and thank y'all for sharing your time with us. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. So good guys, it also fun. Thank you so much for listening to the WoW That's Good Podcast.

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