WHOA That's Good Podcast - Relationship Goals: Part 2

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

Sadie welcomes Michael Todd, Lead Pastor of Transformation Church based in Tulsa, OK for a bonus episode, part two of their conversation, Relationship Goals. Listen in as they welcome their spouses and discuss trust, forgiveness, and vulnerability within relationships. Pastor Todd also discusses his new book, Relationship Goals —based on the viral sermon series about dating, marriage, and sex.  . Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We were like, come back for another week. We got to get more advice out of this book, out of this message that you have for relationships. I just think there's so much richness in it, but this time we're like, okay, Mike Todd has a big personality and his wife Natalie is amazing. Let's get them both on and let's record this thing.

So we actually ended up doing a Zoom call and so hopefully we can put out that video soon for everybody to see. But at the same time that means that the quality of our sound might be a little off, but that's just because we're on a Zoom call. So I hope you enjoy this because the quality might not be good in the sound, but let me tell you the quality of advice is rich. So give this a listen and I hope that it blesses you in your relationships. Shout out to Mike Todd, who not only crushed it on last week's episode of Othetskope,

but now it is back teaching us his own skills and his beautiful wife Natalie. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Oh, we are so excited to be here and we know that being with y'all is about to be fun. Two weeks in a row. Let's go. Go for it. It's the best. And we also added Christian because Christian was the background last time shot you down now he can do it in real life But thank you so much. Let's go man. We're so glad to be here last time We had so much fun. We got so real and we decided oh, I'm telling you girl This is the best podcast in history Tell it real and we are hot humble opening transparent

With our spouses and we gonna see people win in relationships. So let's go. Yes, we are Natalie, just so you know, the podcast is all circled around, well, that's good. And we ask people with the best piece of advice they've been given because a lot of times when we ask this question to people, it's people who we've received advice from. It's like all of these people who pre-it your pastor or give so much good content. And we're like, what advice were you given? I inspired

you. And so that's what kicked this off last time. But we ended up getting all the way into y'all's story. And it was just so cool to see what God's done in y'all's life. And he was talking about how y'all are about to celebrate your 10-year. So congratulations on that. But I would pick up right there because you kind of talked about some of the things that you all went through. And then it was 10 years of kind of voting trust back. And so I know a lot of people have similar stories. Everybody has a story in a relationship.

If they have a relationship of something not going right at some point and having to build that trust back. And so for y'all, what's some advice that you give people on having to build trust back after a season that was not so good. So for anybody who just skipped part one and you came to part two, you're missing all the juice.

All the juice is in part one. I go back. Go back and listen to it. But along story short, I cheated on that. I broke churras before we got married. We were in cycles. I was dealing with pornography. It was just all of this stuff.

We lost our virginity. She lost her virginity to somebody else. And then I came back insecure. And so we had sex. And then it was just like, it was horrible. I mean, it's so awkward. It was horrible, but we made a decision. And we repented.

And that word repented, all it means is to turn. And we turn towards God and turn towards each other and decided, okay, if we're going to do this, we're going to have to do this with accountability. We're going to have to do it one step at a time. And let me tell everybody, moments of pleasure that are out of God's will will produce years of rebuilding. I mean everybody to hear me say that look at my like like like years of rebuilding. Yeah capital Y for years of rebuilding. It was like two and a half years of rebuilding before we got married. So it was probably like 2007-2008 when everything ended. Like there was no more crap happening and we're just

trying to like build back trust. And then it was like two and a half years of just trying to learn how to build vectrust and communicate before we got married. And then got married. And I would say over the past three to four years, I've finally gotten to the place where I can like three leaf all with him, even in our intimacy in the sex life, because that when you experience sex as such anytime before marriage, honestly, you automatically get all these insecurities and comparison comes up and that the other person, well, what did they do with them? And if I'm good enough,

and do I know what I'm doing and all the different things? And so when you get married, you're expected to like all of sudden be a freaking sheet, so to the the sudden like, do all this crazy stuff? And it's like, I was never supposed to do this stuff before, and like, now I'm supposed to. And then he had, you know, pornography in his background.

So I'm like trying to mentally compete with that as well. And so there's just a lot of things I had to get over and the person that he had done these things with, these things, six, with was still in the same city as I was and was kind of close around. And so it was just a bunch of mess, girl. Right. So anyway, but past three or four years, I've finally gotten to the place to where like sexually it doesn't, I'm like back to the original of how God wants me to be and how you

should be when you go into marriage where it's like free and there's no judgment and you literally feel no shame. And so it has it comes with consequences. I mean, and that's the thing that that's the thing why we wrote relationship goals. That's why we're talking about it. So open and so I want you to notice all that when he has not done Anything to break trust with me since then like yeah one not one thing has he done And so just to let everyone know in in relationships that it is work I mean he had to have his work and I had to do my work to allow him to grow and allow him to prove himself to me again I had to open up just to receive it.

That does work as well. And not try to ward it over his head. And so practically, you have to realize and this is how hot we are. Like we became pastors five years ago and my wife didn't feel fully comfortable to trust until four years ago. Yeah.

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Bunny Studio. What your family pedigree is,, when you break trust in relationships, I've heard it said like this, trust is lost in buckets and gained in drops. Yeah. So you gotta think about that. And that's where I think me and Christian talked offline and he was talking about some of the things

that happened before you guys got together and how he said, the biggest thing that I didn't think is, I wasn't thinking about my wife when I was making these mistakes. I wasn't thinking about what I wasn't either and that's why trust was something that God had to build back into our relationship by us going to him. And I just wanna encourage anybody

that's listening right now, man, you're only going to be able to trust the others at the level you trust God. And a lot of times we're trying to find security in a person, not only couldn't find security in me for many years of our relationship, because of the hurt, the damage, the trauma, but she had to find trust in God and safety and God and then God dealt with my heart. And we did a lot of practical stuff. I don't know if you want us to go into that,

but I mean, it was a long journey of us getting to the point where we are today. No, that's so good. I mean, for people listening and hearing that and even people hearing like, it's a lot of work and we don't know that. People say, like, relationships is work and it is work. Like, you know, obviously we look at y'all and we can be like,

oh, but it was so worth it. But in the back of your mind, like, what is those things that you think about and say, like, it's worth it because like, it's a lot of work, but it's worth it in our marriage. It's worth it to our kids, worth it for our church. What were those things going through your all's head? As to why it was worth it to like work through all of that and all those years. I think looking retrospect now, I believe it was so worth it because in my family line,

I'm like, I want to say the first in my immediate family for sure that is married and my children came after my marriage and I've been married one time and I plan on staying married to this guy until I'm not on this earth anymore. Oh you stuck baby. And I'm actually breaking generational curses off my family, those patterns and for my children just to stop, like, stop here, you know, for my own kids, any, you know, lies, you know, cheating, you know, families being torn apart, things like that. It just had to stop. Stop with me. So I'm not glad that it happened, but I am, you know, thankful.

I can appreciate that it happened. And it was all for a reason. And God was able to turn that mess into a huge lesson and a blessing for me. Come on, lesson and a blessing. You rhyme and I love you. I think it was worth it for me because now we get to teach it to people. The only reason I say that is because God, he, Natalie, said he took the mess and he turned it into a message. and God takes people through things so that others don't have to go through it. And I think that's why, again, relationship goals is a message that I believe in. If anybody's watched the series, I was so passionate during the whole series.

That's why the first book and the first product I've ever put out in my life is relationship goals because I know my life would be different. If somebody would have told me the truth that I'm telling people in this book, if somebody would have told me how important this was, if somebody would have told me how important purity was, if somebody would have told me how your mistakes today show up tomorrow. Like if they would have really helped me understand, it would have saved me so much hurt for myself, but the real thing is it would have saved me from hurting others. And now when I look at it, I never would have wanted to hurt the way that I hurt her. I would never want anybody to hurt

my daughters the way that I hurt their mother. And I didn't know it at that level. I didn't know it. And I just think that of the Bible says that my people pairs because of a lack of knowledge. And I think this is one of the things that especially people that believe in Jesus and have faith. We don't talk about enough. We don't talk about, I mean, I had that one rule, like I said, again, don't have sex until your marriage.

Well, mess that up. How do I move from here? How does Jesus redeem me? How can I start running a new play? And I think for me it's worth it because now we get to help people from our mistakes when in relationships That's so good and for everybody listening I mean our main audience is like 18 to 25 year olds and so I'll just say to everybody like if you haven't watched relationships Series his relationship goal series online like Like go do that right now.

I've watched it like five times and it definitely, I've originally I was really shippled up, I've made all my siblings watch it. I made my whole family watch it because it is just so much good advice. Not only like rooted in the word, but also just somebody's story to you

and that's so valuable. And so, as a matter of what kind of upbringing you have, maybe that's been an excuse in the past. I haven't seen it done, or maybe it's been a pain point in the past. I haven't seen it been done. I haven't been taught that. But like, past or mic lays it all out. And it's so good. But I want to ask you on that, and then we'll get to some fun stuff. But on that, it's like, I feel like a lot of times, you know, somebody goes to something like that or has a story. And then they feel like so shame from it that they don't tell anybody about it.

And like, you're saying like, no, that's why it's like worth it because now we get to tell people about, that's our testimony, now we get to see people turn to Jesus and all that. And it's actually crazy because last week after our talk, like Christian started realizing like in his own life, like he didn't want to share like part of his story because it like maybe shame that's held him back

and that's actually been some an insecurity that like, I don't know if share, like, part of his story because of like, maybe shame that's held him back and that's actually been some, and insecurity that like, I don't know if I'm ever going to share that because that was just like too far or whatever. And yet, like, he's been talking to you about it and it even seen a breakthrough from your leadership and sharing so vulnerably. And I see a breakthrough in his own life. And so what would you say to those people

who have been through something and they're like, they think that's like the one thing they want to keep hitting. But yet, that might be something that like God wants to use. This is such a good question. And this is what I always say. And it's played out in my life. God doesn't bless who you pretend to be.

He blesses who you really are. Yeah. I think that who I really was in that season of my life validates who I am today. Like when you put me today against what I was back then, it shows the goodness of God. And a lot of times, that's why we give off this false narrative, like always been saved, always been doing the right thing,

always doing, and people can't relate to that because they're like, well, might've been great all of his life. And I'm like, hey, nope, if not for the grace of God, if not for the mercy of God, if not for God giving me a loving wife to be able to support me and encourage me. And that's why the Bible says we overcome by the blood of the Lamb. That's what Jesus did. That's what he did on the cross. But then there's one more part to that and the words of our testimony. And I think that's where a lot of people are missing it. It's like my testimony was, hey, I used to be addicted to pornography. I had sex with people before I got married, but the blood of the lamb came in and he changed me. He renewed me.

He took everything that was old and it wasn't a perfect process. It was a progressing process. And I think my deficiencies when I share them makes God bigger. It shows people like, wow, if he could do that for past the mic, like I tell people they're like, man, you're leading a movement of all these people. I said, I have a six month degree

from Tulsa Community College. Do you hear what I'm saying? Like high quality, like I lead a organization that stewards and directs millions of dollars. I don't have a business degree. I don't have any of these things. When I tell those stories, all of that does is say, God must be in there somewhere.

That's not by might or by power. That's by the spirit of God. And so I think we do people with this service when we don't tell them the story that gives God glory. If you look through the Bible, he never used perfect people. It's true. Not one time did he use perfect people. Even after they were used by God

David the man that was Called the man after God's own heart. He had a man killed and slept with another man's wife After he would be gliant these out. I'm saying like but he wouldn't you done anything that compares to that I don't yeah, I ain't done that yet. You understand what I'm saying? And I don't plan on it. You hear what I'm saying? But all I'm telling you is if God's grace can extend to somebody like that, I'm okay too.

And Christian, I would just tell you, bro, that there are so many people, I know this is just a hot moment on the podcast, but there are so many people that need you to be transparent about your journey because they're locked up until somebody like them says me to like I did that too. And so I hope any encouragement I can give you as you get confidence and strength and knowing it. We can talk offline. But all I'm telling you, bro, is the stronger that you are in sharing what God's brought you from, the more people will be set free from what they're going through. So I believe in you know,

that's so encouraging. Thank you so much. So encouraging. So that was a good about that that we learn from y'all people like y'all and different ones like Pastor Louis and Shelley and just a ton of different people that better friends, it's like just leading together, like leading something together. And like y'all are leading a church together, that's like in the Narina, but y'all are also leading a family together and like leading a life together. And you know, I think sometimes like

people find differences intimidating, but like when you see in a relationship, it's like your differences that make you like so powerful. And so what are some of those things in y'all that are so different but actually like strengths in y'alls leadership? Everything is different. Night and day. I mean, love languages. My number one love language is his absolute last. Really? That's one. Mine, I have like score I think the high she can score like a 12 on it on level language test I scored a 12 in quality time and my a 1. Oh no. So if you can only imagine you know what I'm saying and what that has

forced us to have to learn. Like one of yours is, I think every man's either top two is always physical touch and words of affirmation usually. Glory to God. Not to. Let me baby touch you. And so I mean the touching part, I don't have problem with, but the words of affirmation, for me, I need those as well, but it's just not as, it's not as fluent to me, you know, to just shower him with words.

He is great with words. I mean, like, he'll just own a whim, just like, give me like a whole son and I'm just like, wow, you know, and so. But, yeah, I'm an introvert. He's an extrovert clearly. And. But I do think, again, God puts people together for a mission. And so if we were the same, one of us would be a relevant.

And I think that's one of the things that we have. You're like super direct and super bold and like cut dry. And then me, I'm just so soft and I wanna cuddle and I wanna get to know someone and I wanna like, oh, you need to do it. It's so good and I wanna encourage you. And I'm like, come on, do it now. It needs to be done now.

But we find out that we're better together. Like every meeting we have together, every adventure we go on together, every idea we better together. Like every meeting we have together, every adventure, we go on together, every idea we have together, when we're together, can't nobody stop us. Yeah, great to have you. Nice. And just creating a balance, it creates a blessing

for other people. When the Bible says two or better than one, like he saw this, he saw you guys together. And when we do that in loving submission is what I called it. It is like, we're loving each other, but we're sub to the mission. We let our personalities like,

hey, you should take the lead right here. Or, ooh, please coach me because I don't know how to be soft with this person. Or you know what I'm saying? It allows us to be effective in our ministry and our business in raising our family, all of those things. Kind of like having like two wings. So if you just have one, you'd be going in circles.

And so like, in mine, like we can have some direction. We can fly. We can fly. We can fly. I love it. Like we're not in all of John's fun. That's good. So something I love about following y'all is y'all

have so much fun. And like y'all as family, y'all as videos, y'all as kids are hilarious on Instagram. And everywhere you go, I mean, you know if you show up, like it's gonna be fun. I think a lot of people, especially like in before quarantine, it's almost like super cool to be busy to people, especially my age. But sometimes it's like you're too busy for your own good. Like you're too busy to have fun. And it's like then you're not really being yourself and all this sort of stuff.

And but what I've seen you'll do is like in the midst of getting more and more busy, you are traveling, you have a church, all this sort of stuff, you still keep the element of fun in your family. And how do you balance that? How do you balance like, continue on the mission that God's given you, but also like being yourself

and like having fun with your family and different things because I think that sometimes, especially in college and different things, like used to people get so uptight. And it's like, you just need a little bit, like to be released from that. And so what would you give people by sign, managing a busy schedule, but also having fun?

You want me to go? I'll say what I'm saying, then you can run with it, okay? I'll go. I love it, I love it, I love it, y'all work. And in our marriage, I'm kind of the one that fights for home, I mean, I tell Michael for years that he is like, diddy, you know, like he diddy,

he's like diddy for like Christianity, basically. Like, I tell him he's diddy diddy, you know, like he diddy, he's like, diddy for like Christianity, basically. Like, I tell him he's diddy for Jesus, basically. So, him being diddy for Jesus, like, lights camera action, I'm like, literally, get me a house and a big old field in the country. I mean, give me some, I don't know, some horses and some kids. Come to Louisiana. There we go, I mean, give me some, I don't know, some horses and some kids. Come to Louisiana.

There we go. I mean, absolutely. And so, because I live in the country, I'm a country girl. I live in Tulsa. It's a city, but, you know, anyway. And so, like, to me, that's success. Like, if my kids and my family, they grow older and they feel like, man, my know, my mom and my dad loved the mess out of us.

And we have the best family memories. And my siblings are some of my best friends because the culture of my parents put into me. And knowing that, like to me, that's success in life and that we loved others and we helped others. I mean, there's been more than that. And so for me, anyway, and that's why God put us together because he would be on the farm broke and we wouldn't have nothing. No, I'm just. But honestly, our purposes have aligned where there needs to be a push in our relationship. That's why God put us together because that's why I'm in there. And where there needs to be a slowing down and taking time and being intentional, that's why Natalie's there. And we started to value each other values.

And now our kids get to walk together in a single value that is now our family values. And on top of that, that even when you're busy and say you're doing a lot for others, or you have a lot of people you're responsible for, say even like my husband and with the church and everything, the thing that makes us so relatable is that we are real people.

Like, he really goes to the bathroom and has my daughters want to be in there with him while he's going number two. Like, it's real life, you know? And like, going to the bathroom, using one square toilet. Like it's real life, you know, and like going to the bathroom using one square toilet paper, it's real life out here. Real life. And serving that toilet paper. But no, that kind of stuff, it's so important

to just like stop, chill, take a breath, connect, you know, connect, look at your, you know, your husband, your wife, and the eyes, sit down in the floor and play with your kids because that's the kind of stuff that people connect with the most to know that you can have all this and still have all that, but it requires a sacrifice. And the thing that everybody that should know that's listening is fast doesn't mean you're going to be fruitful. Like usually the faster it is, the less nutritional value, and our

culture wants everything microwave, then wants everything quick, and fast doesn't equal fruitful. I think faithful does. Faithful equals fruitful. And so people could just be faithful in their jobs, faithful with their friends, faithful, and their family's faithful to the business.

I think God makes everything fruitful where He finds faithfulness. And so, yes, slow down, be faithful. Nothing's going nowhere. God is still in control. And I think it can help everybody in their relationships. That's so good. I love it. Y'all are awesome. I just have so much to give and say, I'll ask you a one more question to finish it. And this is kind of going back to the relationship topic. Something that I've heard you talk about is something that I'm sure you're talking about in the book, but you talk about how to end it.

And I think everybody needs a little advice on how to end it because, first of all, I think sometimes people need to end it and somebody needs to hear this, that needs to end it. And second of all, people need to know how to end it well. It's okay to just go there. I did this YouTube video like years ago, it was one of my first YouTube videos ever about a breakup. I was just trying to be vulnerable because I like walked through a breakup and that was very public relationship and all this stuff. Anyways, after I did it though, it was so casual. I have had so many people come out to me and be like,

that inspired me to end it with a person I was with. I knew I needed to end it. I just needed somebody to to say it or somebody to be real about it. And so I can't think of a better person to be real and encourage people on how to end it. But what do you say to people when they're like, I know I need to do this, but I don't know how or I don't want to or whatever it's going to be harder awkward. So I go, I do a whole like chapter in the book about needing to end it and you need to definitely go But I would say this as we close man You can literally just ask yourself this one question if you sit by yourself get a piece of paper

Is this person helping me? Like are they helping me be a better person? Are they helping me keep my word? Are they helping me reach the vision that I feel like God has placed in my heart? Are they helping me? Because a lot of times we tolerate a whole bunch of stuff because we like a person or they're cute or we take good pictures together

or the time we've been in a relationship. And if we put that up against all of the things that they take away from us, they've now isolated us from all of our friends and family. We're more negative now. We're doing things with our bodies that we never thought we would do. Like all of these different things,

you literally can sit there and be like, this is not helping me. This is not making me better. And I believe that the things that are from God, they always add to you. The Bible says the blessings of the Lord make it rich and add it in those sorrow. And I would just encourage people to really make a list.

Is this helping me? And then the other thing that I think that you can do to end it is realize that the sooner it ends, the better both of you are going to be. And that God can allow both of you to be blessed even not together. Like you're delaying what God has for you and for that other person by staying in something that you're only supposed to be in. So I would just encourage you right now wherever you are, whatever you're doing, if it's not God, You need to go ahead and end it.

That has good. That's so good. Somebody's like, whoa, wait, is that good or is that bad? That's good advice everybody. Take the advice. Thank you all so much for just being who you are, being so real, being so open. I love you. then who you are, being so real, being so open. If you- I'll be with love, you know. Like, if you have not seen the series, I'm not kidding, go watch the series, go get the book.

Follow along, transform it in like we do. You'll be so blessed by it. Thank y'all so much, y'all are awesome. I love everybody, this is your book and I'ma help you win in relationships, alright? That's right, and thanks guys. Love you guys. Love you guys.

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all of these like different questions, like, oh, you know, quarantine just kicked in right after you got married. Is it hard? Or like, what are the quirks that you realize or what's Something you didn't know people have been asking us out a lot. So first of all, we'll just kind of tell you about that and then give some advice Hopefully to some other couples out there who are struggling or it really doesn't you have to be a couple maybe are Shuggling with your fam or maybe it's your dog that's driving you crazy. We get it. Hopefully we can share in some advice But what's something you learned about me

during this quarantine that you didn't know before? See, that's the thing, because we're talking about that the other day, I really don't think that there's a quirk that I've learned about you since it started. Like I really, I really think that. It's weird. It is weird, because the weird quirks that I knew

I knew before the quarantine, I already knew. Like it wasn't, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't nothing new. I was something I did learn. It's not really quirk, but you loved chopped. I love the Jewish. I do not know how much you loved chopped until the quarantine.

I can watch the TV show chopped anytime, anywhere, any day, any hour. I'm down. She loves to chop. And then when I'm in the kitchen, I felt like I was in chop. Oh, yeah. I was like, I'm going to do this because this is going to make it taste better.

But we're doing they're doing in 20 minutes. So it would take us two hours to do it. And it's rough. And what's all learned about you is actually that I didn't realize how much you snapped before. You snack hard. I always say like, you, I was like, yeah, me and Christian don't snack because I didn't think we did. But that's just me.

You snack all the time. Every time I look at you, you're like getting a chocolate chip out of it. Like literally he eats chocolate chips, like chocolate chips from the who does need chocolate chips? Me. So I got light touch just but I don't like eat them as a snack. Well, you would if you thought about it. So we've learned some funny things about each other, but even like not really that much. A lot of it's just been growing and friendship, which is awesome. Yeah, we've gotten so much closer. So much closer. Some fits all kind of happened. And so that would be our first piece of advice that we can share to this quarantine.

It's like, yeah, you might realize some things about somebody else that maybe you love, maybe you don't really like, but you know, I think that was something really important is when you get to know something about somebody, whether it's something you like or not, like try to find a way that you can love them through it. The more you love people for their quirks and the more that you find them humorous or you laugh with them in them or you join them in them, it's awesome because you develop a closer friendship for it. Like, Mancreston literally just sat down to watch chopped. Where watching chopped as you speak. Maybe I need to eat more chocolate chips, but try to be in this time together. I think it can be really fun. Another thing that I feel like I've learned about you and I is that like we genuinely

like to have fun, but a lot of times you have to create your fun. And that would be like advice I give to anybody. It's like for like a wallet, Christian and I, kind of like hosting through this quarantine and just like, you know, trying to think like, okay, maybe it's going to be over soon, you know, but then we realized like it's not going to be over soon. And so like, let's make this the best time. You know, we're thankful for we're not sick. We can make this fun. And so we started doing like Tuesday cook nights.

So we go to the grocery store together on Tuesday and cook together. And it's been so fun. Yeah, it's been so fun. Tonight we made a little taco Tuesday. I mean, we made some, what we attempted to do beings in an hour and a half later Somehow they were so soft my fault my fault. I had the beans. I spilled the beans say he will always be upset about that

I will my chopped fill her chopped fill But yeah, I want to get chopped in the kitchen tonight. We did good, but it's just fun And so it's like create your own fun. It's a music music in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah It was it was a good time. And the last thing I would say is, you know, it's nice to like have a routine, but sometimes you have to make routine. That's good. And like, think about what you're making your routine about.

Like, Christian and I just started to do a devotional together. And we've actually never done that together. Like, yeah, we read at the same time, and we'll talk about it at times. And, you know, we talk about the by-law time. We talk about God all the time. But we'd never like say like, oh, let's do like this devotional book. And we got these books from she reads truth and now they have a he reads truth. And we're actually both going through the promises of God together. So every morning or lunch time, we do that together.

And it's so awesome. Because then we get to talk about what we just learned or what we could just study. And so it's nice. It's like whoever you're quarantining whether it's your husband or maybe it's your friend or maybe it's your dog or maybe it's your parents or whoever, like find like a part of your routine. That's fun. And like routines within that's fun. That's strengthening your faith. That strengthening is a person so that when you come out of this, you're closer friends, you're closer to Jesus, you know how to have fun and most importantly, well I think most importantly, you're closer to God,

but also importantly, you know yourself more than you came into this. This is a great time for us to get to know ourselves even better too. That's great, yeah, it definitely is. It definitely is a great time to kind of strip everything back and really look at yourself and look at your life and see what

you're pursuing and maybe what you're idolizing. And if that's something more than God, I think this has been a great time for people to have that revealed to them. And I think even for us, it sounds like everything's fine and David, everything's been great. But actually, we've had some actually really hard conversations during this quarantine that's made us so much better. And so there's some things that you'll realize about yourself that you're like, I don't really love that about myself. And I need to get better at that. And, you know, also refining those things.

I felt like a word during my quarantine has definitely been refining. It's like we went through a period of Christianity. It was like a week of like hard conversations, but we came out so much stronger from that. And it's just refining moments like let God, you know, mold you into who you're gonna become after this time. Yeah, I'm so good. Hope you like this OG advice.

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