WHOA That's Good Podcast - Sadie Robertson's Great-Grandmother is an Absolute Legend

Episode Date: January 14, 2021

Sadie's Mamaw Jo is 89 years old, and everything she has to say is gold. She'll head out on a hike and become famous in China, she'll teach you to be a total savage at UNO, and she'll drop advice so brilliant it inspires a whole podcast. And that's just before breakfast. Check out her wisdom on love, dating, marriage, motherhood, aging well, faith, getting through difficult times, and what people who've lost someone need to hear. Bonus: Good and bad advice with Sadie's mom, Korie Robertson, on the WHOA That's Good Podcast.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, Memo, I will say you're the first person on my podcast to ever bring in a live audience. We have fans lining up at the store. Man! We got Corey Roberts in a Christian Hub watching it because I didn't want to miss the gold nuggets that you will drop. But for those who don't know you, and they probably do, because you're the reason this podcast even really started. Sure I am. No, you really are.

Okay. Which I told you at Christmas because years ago, a mom and I were at an event and the interview you were asking, what's the best piece of advice I've ever been given? And I said, something, you said to me whenever I came in, I remember I was telling you about all my problems and I was like, mental, what am I going to do about this situation? And I was trying to think of my revenge I was going to make and you said, well, honey, you are not kind because other people are kind to you. You are kind because you are kind person.

And that advice is stuck with me. It's on the wall out here. And mom in the interview literally said in the microphone, whoa, that's good. And behold, the podcast began. And so you had a fingerprint, all of this. We have so many memories. You taught me how to play Uno.

I did. Be a savage. I never let you win. You did it. That's why I said you taught me how to be a savage. Because I'm not going to let anybody else win either. And whenever I have this daughter, she won't be able to beat me. Because you taught me that.

No, so many good things. But I would ask you, the question I ask everybody, what is the best piece of advice that you've ever been given? You know, that's a hard question. It is. See, and I thought about it because you warned me ahead of time. And my grandmother was really instrumental in raising me, because we had a multi-generational family.

My grandmother and grandfather lived with us all my growing up years. So, and she had a lot of advice. But once she told me when I was dating, to always look for a man who is kind to his mother and he will be good to you. That's good. And it really stuck with me so much and I don't know whether it just became part of me or because of what she said.

But those things that I know she was talking about work, kindness and goodness and respect. And all of those things that you look for and someone that makes you happy, that makes you feel good about yourself. And that's what I looked for and that's what I found. A big, big way. That's so sweet. That's so cool that you said that because I remember a conversation we had sitting at counterculture me even to mama. I don't even know if you'll remember this and I just broken up with somebody else and you said well

honey you're just you're kissed a lot of frogs and you said you're gonna find your friends one day and then I remember you encouraged me with because we're talking about Pebble a shack and you were just saying he was just such a sweet man And I remember thinking I don't think I've dated a sweet guy like just a really kind sweet person because that's that is a huge Trayton people that you know, I don't think I think men sometimes might not think that that is of as much value They want to be masculine and what really things but to be sweet and to be kind is such a huge treasure and an attractive thing and something that is rare but it's you know that's how they're gonna treat you and so I remember that kind of shifted in my mind and

then when I brought Christian home and you said he's not a frog and I was like and he's a sweet man and it all just kind of clicked. Do you know you've got to be very, very strong within yourself? A man, I would think that a man would have to be really strong within himself. Yeah. To be able to exhibit that. Be sweet. And be comfortable with that.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So with Pepple, you know, you all had an amazing marriage. How long were you all married? Fifty-seven years. Fifty-seven years. Yeah, that's so cool. That's awesome. And he was the greatest man.

He also told me that he was color blind, which is why he always put the blue card over the green and you know, and I thought that was true until like two years ago you told me he wasn't. But he was a goober, but he was just awesome. You were? So I know one thing was kindness and pepper that you look for, but what's something you would say that you all had in your marriage that you would encourage other people to maybe

look for if they're already married, work towards? Mutual respect, I think, more than anything else, and always wanting to put that other person first. We always said, even both of us together, that marriage is not a 50-50 thing. It's a 90-10, both ways. Because you want to do the things. It should be within your heart to want to do the things that make that other person happy. I remember, you know, when basketball was Papal's life when we were married, he was

a basketball player. And every night we went to a ball game, but that was okay with me because I love basketball. But later on, I was thinking at times when he went to here, oh, we had a famous singer, Robert Merrill, a Chenner, opera singer, opera singer who came to Alexandria when we lived there for a concert. I was so excited about him coming. And Peppa had never gone to a concert like that before, but he went along and said it was the best thing he ever heard.

And whether it was or not, he made me think he did, which was important. That's so sweet. I love that. Oh, and not only that, our two oldest daughters were in an opera once, and he went to the opera, and just, it was awesome. He said, we've got to do this more.

That's awesome. And he was enthusiastic about everything that made me happy. Aw. And I was enthusiastic about the things that made him happy. That is such good advice. I love that. I love that. I have to tell you, say to you this little quick story

when we were first married. And of course, we were so poor. He was in the Marine Corps. And we didn't make any money. But we were walking downtown in San Diego, window shopping. And the window of this one store was this model with this gorgeous black velvet coat on with the Ryan Stone buttons to crawl along the front.

And I just thought that was the prettiest thing I'd ever seen. Well, Pat bought that for me for Christmas. Wow. Yes. I don't know. Of course we could not afford that. So I had to be very cautious about What I what you said you like made me happy because I knew he'd work really hard to see that was

That's so sweet. I love that. What a good man. I was like this year for Christmas I just like mentioned a lot of things that I wanted for Christmas from Christian But I was just kind of tossing it out and I was was so surprised when he remembered everything down to this little face exfoliant razor. I was like, how'd you remember that? That's a good thing for someone to see what you love to see what your face lights up for. Exactly. I remember people love for basketball, and that was actually where my love for basketball came. I really had a legacy for that. I remember, people love for basketball, and that was actually where my love for basketball came. You really had a legacy for that, and I remember being in like six grade

and wanting y'all so badly to see me play on the varsity team. So I was like, I'm gonna have to work really hard because we got a long way to go, and that year I remember shooting like a hundred shots every day, no, making a hundred every day. I couldn't go into a made a hundred every day because I wanted so badly to be on the varsity team.

And then I know, and then I made it in seventh grade. And I remember whenever I went overseas to play, you gave me Pitball's pin, his flag that he had, whenever he got it for playing the Marines, playing basketball. Really did. But you're so special to me. I actually got mad. It was so cool.

Well, you guys set a great example for relationships. I actually just remembered this. When I was little, and it was such a weird memory, I have very distinctive memories of Pepple, just like little ones, like the Indian. You would always say he could speak Indian, the Uno, and playing guest, who, and how. Every time I spent the night with you

He would sleep on the couch and I would sleep with you So one other thing is I remember sitting in that plate the room the computer room that y'all had and he walked in one day And he told me he said whenever you're married one day and I mean I had to be like seven And he was like don't let the sun go down anger at your spells and he told like, don't let the sun go down, anger at your spouse, and he told me that. And so sweet and so now Christian will always say for an argument, he's like, I know, I know, Sun doesn't go down until he, until we stop talking about this.

Cause it means a lot, there's one thing I remember people saying to me advice. I have to say something that we did in our marriage. It's amazing. I love it. Well, you know, you're an amazing, you're an amazing wife. And now you're a grandma, a great grandma, a great way. Great, great, great grandma. You have a long legacy. So how many

grandkids do you actually have? I have 29 grand children. That's crazy. Yeah. That is amazing. 29 grand children. When I wait a minute, wait a minute. No, let's go back. I have 12 grandchildren. 12 grandchildren. Okay. And I have 29 grand children. I mean great grandchildren. Great grand children. Great grand children. And then great great have two, two. Yes. And you're about to have two more. I know. Yeah. I'm very, very Kate. And you had six kids. You have a lot of kids happening. So for me, about to be a mom, which is one, what is your best piece of motherly advice for me? I think the biggest thing that you can give your children is to be a strong parent, a strong confident parent. It's good.

I heard someone say once when they were talking about rearing children, about children who were having tantrums and just going completely reserved, and that's when your job as a parent is to go in and stop that, because they can't do it, and they depend on you to take care of them. That's good. So, it's that, and that's as a small child. But I remember when I was in high school

that when my friends would want to do something and involve me that I didn't think it was smart to do, I would say, oh, my mom would never let me do that. Well, whether she would or not, I hung it on her. You were. That's good. So I knew then how important it was that you had a parent who said, no, that's not wise to do. Yeah, that's good. So, I knew then how important it was that you had a parent who said, no, that's not wise

to do. Yeah, that's good. That's just, no, we're not going to do that in our family or that sort of thing. That's so funny, you say it because mom used to always say to us, she was like, if you ever need a blame it on me, you can blame it on me. You blame it on me. And you need to tell my two of my girls that too. If you need to out, just say your mom said you can't.

Because it's true, she probably would. But that's so good. I love that. Two mama, I asked two mama the other day. So two mama is your daughter, my grandma. And she said, I said, was Mimma a strict parent? She said, oh, she was strong. She said, she said, she was all fun.

And she was really cool. But when she snapped her fingers fingers there were six kids in line Much respect and you know that I made my children sit on the front row in church They do that terrible I did because I wanted them to know what it was like to be right there in front where everyone was watching That is awesome. And to buy themself. See, that's hilarious. Because I like the front row and every time I start walking towards Christians like, no,

no, not the front row, not the front row. It's so funny. Maybe two ball of made us do that or something. That's hilarious. So I want to ask you about the legacy that you built. Because truly you built a legacy. Like, you have 29 grandkids who all love you and all think that they're your favorite, which is really impressive,

because you love everybody the same and you pay attention to everybody's life and you invest in our lives. You showed up to everything I've done, to tennis matches and basketball games, and when I walked in Fashion Week and did dance with stars, like you were there, and and that's so impressive because you have a lot going on. But when you think about leaving a legacy for people, what is something that you keep at the

forefront of your mind just as the great girm of it that you are? Is there some advice you can give to somebody who say maybe I haven't had a great legacy. I want to build a grid legacy. What are some of those characteristics that you think have done that? Oh, Sadie, you know, I really thought about this and I even looked up the word legacy and what that means. And it just live a life that someone wants to emulate, I think.

It's good. That they see something in you that they want to be when they grow up. It's not anything special other than just loving your family and being available for them when they need help. When they need someone to always be there to back them up. That's good. That's a great answer. That's actually like for just somebody who is your great granddaughter.

Like I've seen that in your life and I can say that is your legacy. We all want to be like you. Like everybody, like two moms said the other day, she said two of us said man, you are just like your mom and she said thank you. That's a good thing. I hope I'm just like my mom. She did mean it well because she's strong. Like she was being strong and something and then another one of our cousins was over today and she said, I said, oh I'm about to go interview Mimma. She said, oh okay good. She said, I was actually going to go over and talk to Mema today because I needed some advice because she has just done

this so well in her life that I need advice for. And she said, but I'll wait till you're done with me asking you all the advice that you're at the world. So you have this whole family who wants to learn from you, seek wisdom from you because we see something in your life that is valuable. And that has blessed so many people. wisdom from you because we see something in your life that is valuable and that has blessed so many people and your strength, your love, your ability to show up

and care, your ability to continue to make Christmas brunch for however many family members we have at your age is incredible. And this year after even coming through COVID you even made brunch for the family. Like, you're just very strong, and that's something that we all look up to. Well, that's something that is fun to do, and I know everyone looks forward to it, and enjoys it, and I wouldn't just support you for the world, so maybe dragging in the 95 and doing it.

The man is foster. We'll be calling. Christian will be like, are you gonna make your chocolate coffee drink? I'll still doing it. The man is foster. We'll be calling. Christian will be like, are you gonna make your chocolate coffee drink? I'll still drink it. I love the recipe anyway. I love it, I love it. We have tried to make it.

It's not as good as yours. You have just the magic touch, but it was really good. So I was thinking about this. You know, you lived a long life. I am 23. You are older, you. Will you tell me? Yeah, if I'm 89 I will be 90 in April.

So awesome. So look at back what was something you didn't know at my age that you're glad you learned in life. Oh honey I was so dumb. I was but but I was, but, but I was hopeful. That's a good. And always looking forward to what was coming. And probably more than anything else I learned patience. Because I was an impatient person. I wanted everything to happen. You know, like that.

Yeah. Can't cling my fingers anymore. But it, um, and I learned that from your papo-shack, because he was always, he would always say, let's just let it lie a while. You know, when there was a crisis or something that I wanted to fix right away, especially with our teenage children, he would say, let's just let it dry for a while and see what happens.

And usually it would work itself out, but it takes patience to do that. Yeah, this generation needs to hear that because I think more than ever we want things to happen like this because things do happen like that for us. You know, we have to especially to know, happen fast with what food we can get it delivered if we want entertainment. We can click on an app and watch a movie. We get things really fast and

some things in life you don't just get like that. You know, you need patience in that such a perspective. Exactly. That's really cool. Another thing that I learned from him was not to worry, because we're not even supposed to worry. You know, it's scriptural that we are not supposed to worry. But he would say, if I can do something about something, I will do it. And if I can't, I'll worry and the world will not fix it. That's good. That's good. That's a word for everybody. Yeah. It's another thing with us right now. I think we're so anxious, like more anxious than ever.

And it is scriptural. You do not worry about anything what you wear, what you eat. Then the Lord even says, like, what does he compare it to? Do you not see how he takes care of the birds? Just how much more will he take care of you? Exactly. That's so good. Of all the decades that you've lived, because you've lived through a lot, because I even asked you the other day,

I was like, have you ever seen a time like this? And you were like, yes, we're a war too. And I was like, oh yeah, you did live through a lot of things. So of all the things that you lived through, what was one of the hardest decades and what was one, oh yeah, you did live through a lot of things. So of all the things that you lived through, what was one of the hardest decades and what was one of the greatest? The hardest was a time during the 80s. When we were going and Louisiana,

we were just cursed with a bad depression. The oil industry all left street where we were living and moved to out of state. And at that time, there were 1500 house FHA repos on the market in street, in street, where we see that, which means people had just walked away from their houses without paying any

kind of mortgage or anything. And we were in the real estate business, so it was devastating to us. And we lost a lot of our holdings at that time. Financially it was just totally disruption. And it was so hard for me because I had to see what effect it had on my husband, not just our family, but on my husband. And if it had not been for our faith and our family, we could not have gone through that and come out. Well, so that's an easy one. But that's sad stuff, and I don't even think about that anymore. I was like Scarlett's. I worry about

that tomorrow. But anyway, the best one may yet be there. I have always felt in my life that whatever age I was was the best stage to be. And I would not go back for anything. Well, I would not want to make the same mistakes or even correct the ones I made because hopefully I learned from them. Yeah. But it, so I don't know, we'll just see what the 90s hold. I love it.

I love it. See, that's so cool because not many people say that. And even when I said, like, will you tell us how it's hard because people don't want to say that for some reason. And for you to probably be like, well, yes, I'm 89, and about to be 90, and there's so much more to come. And I didn't think that that is one of your- Mevin, two more grand, great grand, baby.

You are, great grand, baby. You are. You have a lot to look forward to. And I think that's so powerful, not something I want to take from and not look back. Because even at 23 and this seems crazy, because I know I'm really young. But we've done a lot of really cool things.

And I feel like sometimes I'm like, oh man, when I was 17, a lot of really good things happened. But always leaving God for more, there's greater things to come, and they might not seem as significant as a big moment, but they're significant in the specialty of the moment. So I love that. That's such good advice. You're important that you put on the big things change. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's so good. I love that.

I think, you know, looking at your life, I do think that's one of your keys to success because, you know, you do always look forward to the future and you're, you know, you're not done yet. But what would you say as a key to success for aging well? Because when people look at you, they're like, how would they do age so well? People always think you're my grandma, not my great grandma. And when they hear the things that you do, like I said, that they, like, I'll pass your house and you'll be outside with they hear the things that you do, like I said, that I'll pass your house, and you'll be outside with a leaf blow. We're like, hey honey, you were also the first person

I knew that had an iPhone. You're constantly just in the cool. Not to mention, you shop at free people. What? That's just where I shop. So we could end up with the same thing one day. You're just very cool. What would you say is a tip to aging well?

Well, one is to accept change and even embrace it when it's a good thing. Keep learning, always keep learning. I think the biggest thing for me that has been in my favor is being sure I did by people I, and that loved me back. It's good. And that is so good. It was so funny. You said that because my granddaughter Ashley, and I went to Australia four years ago.

And we were part of a tour with all these Chinese women. And we were climbing up kind of a minor mountain. And of course, I was so much taller than everybody else than I was up with the guide in the front. And someone back in the back, one of the Chinese women was hanging back in the guide back there, said to her, that that woman up there is 84 years old. And she's walking with the guide.

And they all looked at me in a totally different look because in China when you were that old the family takes care of you. You don't do anything anymore. You just sit and grow old. And so from then on they followed everything I did. I'm serious. It was really awesome. We were, we had this one woman who was always over my shoulder, no matter where we were. She was there. And then one day she showed up with someone who spoke English and translated. She had been following me until she could get a translator to talk to me. That is amazing. She wanted me to come to China and talk to Chinese women. Yeah. That's how to grow.

Yes. That is amazing. That's so good. First thing I told her was tell them to get a computer. And how to use it. That's good advice. As I'm telling you, first of all, with the iPhone, you knew a lot more than everybody else. That is so funny, Mama.

Your famous in China. Well, maybe they'll listen to this podcast So be like, that's the woman. That's the woman. That's the woman. That's the she's doing it. Man, you truly are an inspiration to so many people. I mean our whole family. Anybody knows you all my friends They're like, we just want to be like normal Joe and even which we haven't announced our daughter's name We're not going to yet, but her name is and remember it's a view in a really significant way So everybody just loves you You mentioned earlier about going through a really hard time and you know

We're clearly going through a hard time right now in our world 2020 was hard and 2021 is a new year, but still a lot of the same hard things are rolling in. And so from someone who's been through multiple hard times in our nation and your own personal life, what's your advice to people getting through a time like this where it just seems wild? Oh, I think along with everything else that happens

to us on eat, This is all temporary. Yeah. This is of course, it's that old adage of this world is not your home. This that we are just so generous here, which means we're just stopping for a while on to a better place and another place. Yeah. And to know that the Lord's in charge, this is what is so comforting to me. And hopefully to everyone else that is a believer in him, that he's in control of this all and he just not want bad things for us.

This, I'm always surprised when someone says in my hearing that how could God let this happen? This is the world that lets things happen to us. And he is the comforter, the sustainer for us through all of these things that happen here on earth. It's just, well, I'm not a preacher. Hey, where'd I get it from? I got it from somewhere. Oh, you've got it. You have a better legacy there than for me, but it, um, my faith in God is such a simple thing. It really is. I've never thought it had to be complicated. And it's just that God's in charge, and He's going to help me through this.

And there have been some really hard times. I lost a nephew that was so dear to me when he was 11 years old. And that was the worst time. And I remember my brother who was a very strong man in the faith. He was his son, staying on our way home from the hospital when this happened. That he's in the best place and we're the ones who have to stay here and remember him. And it was just such a powerful testimony for him to say at that horrible time in his

life. And if nothing else, that just strengthened my faith. Wow. And all this time. Wow. And there are so many people who are needed to hear that. Because a lot of people have passed away this year that I look so other people. A lot of even I mentioned this in the prayer. Just you being here that a lot of people lost grandparents and so it's a beautiful thing for them to have somebody wise and older speak into our life but that is such a beautiful thing for somebody who lost them and so dear to have that perspective that they're the ones who are in the better place. That's right.

And we're getting to them. That's a great one. We're a little behind the pace to get to the eternity and how beautiful it will be. You know, when Peppa, when Peppa was shot died, which was a terrible, horrible time, but I remember your grandfather saying, well, I can just see dad up there saying,

well, garden seed, they're shack. Oh, that's so sweet. And it just came up, it just lighting my burden so much to realize that that was really happening. That's so sweet. It's such a sweet thing for him to say. I was just telling Christian the other day

that one of my great grandpa's used to say garden seed. And how funny that was. Oh man, I remember when Peplash had passed and I remember we all went and had like a party at two mom's house. And I was like, why are we having a party? Because I could not stop crying. And I don't know if it was mom or two mom

or one of y'all explained it to me that because it is a celebration because he would want us to be happy that he's in heaven and in the eternity And it's just a beautiful thing to shift your mind towards heaven and to shift your mind towards the goodness of God Well, I know that's gonna help so many so many people Pebble a shag and Pebble how to hopefully watching, listening in. There are cloud of witnesses. I extremely remember whenever I was little when I would pray, I would say, dear God, would you mind if I taught to Pebble a shag and Pebble Howard for a minute?

And I would just talk to the person, I would say about how the line he would just transfer me. And so they know that I'm talking to them too. Mama, you're incredible. We have so much good advice, so many fun stories and just the legacy that you live. You make me cry so I have to wrap this up or what the start, I'm not stopping.

But we love you. Everyone in the world is gonna feel loved by you just from this podcast. I know it's funny because you're the most confident, strong person I know. And you said you were nervous to be on this podcast. And by the way, you told me you were going to hit me with one liners and not having anything to say.

You're right. You're right. You have gold. So for those of you listening, I hope that this encouraged you and that you take so much good advice from the well of wisdom that she is. And hope it strengthens your faith in God. And it helps you get through hard times and even embrace the times to come and look forward to the future in your life no matter how old you are if you're 23 or 89 they are

things to look forward to but my mom thank you we love you so much. Thank you Sadie. That was so good. I loved it. That's so good. Good Well mom from your wise words years ago Whoa, that's good. I think we need to add that was really good It's really good. I was so glad I was here to hear that I was like I'm there like bawling crying. I was like don't look at me because I'm crying I do like right and the peripheral and I kept seeing you do this As making me about start crying. It was so sweet. I loved it so much good advice

I also was like why am I not riding all the sound but then I was like oh, I don't have to ride it down because it's on The gas you're loving your forever. I know I was thinking about I was like this is my favorite piece of advice You just said I was like no, this isn't this is like there, there's like a million. So much good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is per usual on to the Good and Bad Advice that you guys sent in. Thank you for sending a good and bad advice to the WoW That's Good Podcast Instagram.

And also on our Ellosister app, which we get most of our advice from. So thanks girls, thanks everyone. All right, Mom, what do you think about this? In relationships, a relationship of eyes. Be an open book. I think that's great. Of course. You want that, you know, that idea of like being known by the person that you love and that loves you. So I think we in open book is good. You should be able to kind of like lay it all bare before the person

that you love and that loves you. I agree. I think you should wait until you know. You know, it's a seriously stuff. Because sometimes people get in relationships like, and I've done this, they're just like, let me tell you everything about my life. And then you break up a week later, and they only need you for like two weeks, and you're like, now you know everything about me.

Yeah, I guess I'm speaking for like a real relationship. A real relationship that you wanna like, yeah, you think is there for the long haul? Definitely be an open book, that's great. I think whenever you're fully known, that's when you know you're fully loved. There's less security for that, comes with that. All right, marriage is only as good as your singleness.

I don't know about that, I mean. Because there are stories different. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you might's story's different. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you might be in a rough season in your singleness, but you're gonna have an awesome marriage. So I think you should like put that on yourself that like, oh, because some of my singing days were hard and weren't fulfilling or weren't this,

my marriage is gonna be the same game. So, no. I agree, not necessarily. And like y'all get married at 18. So like, our singleness was like high school. And y'all get married at 18. So, like, our thing on this was like high school. You're like 10 years old. Yeah.

So, they're really good. All right. This is good. Don't play the victim to circumstances you created. Mm. That's really good. That's really good. Yeah.

Yeah, I think people could, yeah, you're like all the sudden, sudden you're like, oh my life's so terrible and you're like um But how did you get there and there's choices that you made that put you there? And I don't think really playing a victim is ever good in any situation You know you should see yourself more as a survivor of things or a more of person who overcame things not or a victim That's like memos like yeah, memos has about hard times that she was like, I'm not gonna dwell on that. And I'm not even gonna think about that because I was so long ago. Like it wasn't like, oh, and then this time,

and I was just wondering if she's like, yeah, it was a hard time for everybody. Yeah. And our faith started to stir it. Right. It's inspiring that way. I think it's good. I love it.

Well, guys, Yarnia keeps it in some good advice and some bad advice if you wanted to talk about it or discuss it. And we will. But I think we'll just leave it there because Memo nodded out of the ball part. She killed it. I loved it. It was so good.

I think it was so funny about it too was you called me and were like, Memo's a little nervous. Do you think maybe you should be on it too so that she'll talk a lot and I was like, Memo does not need me. No. She's just being humble. Like she she's gonna kill it, I knew. She kept telling me she's like, I'm so nervous and she was like,

and I never really like plan. As far as like, give people the questions, I'm gonna ask them, you know, and she's like, I need to see the questions. Like, when you talk this over and I'm like, why are you so nervous? And then she's like, no. And just saying, I'm not gonna talk much.

She need to be prepared. And then she just brought it. I love it. I was thinking about that verse, like don't think of yourself more highly than you are. Yeah, because that is so memo, like she doesn't think of herself as like anything, but she has just left this amazing legacy.

And she is, like you said, like who we all want to be when we grow up. And so I'm so glad that she was able to share with all the podcast listeners. I know, Ellen. Thanks for being in the house today, Mom. It's fun. you