WHOA That's Good Podcast - The Moment I Knew What I Was Made For | Sadie Robertson Huff & Aodhán King

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

Aodhan Kings name is likely familiar to you from his years as a member of Hillsong Young & Free and today he joins Sadie in-studio to talk about his first solo worship album! Sadie and Aodhan share what it was like for both of them to break off and do their own thing after being known for so long as part of a larger group. Aodhan talks about the process of writing songs for the Church instead of yourself. Sadie remembers the first time she felt like herself after years of feeling like a hypocrite — being fully who God made you to be is the coolest way to live when you're fully loving Him too! This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored by: https://carawayhome.com/sadie — Save $150 when you buy Caraway Home’s famous cookware set. Plus when you use the code SADIE at checkout you’ll save an additional 10% off. https://www.drinklmnt.com/whoa — Get a FREE LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase! https://www.12vc.com/sister — Commit to the 12 Verse Challenge and help fund 12 Verses of Scripture a year for people who have little to no access to Scripture! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I hope y'all are having a great week, but per usual it is about to get so much better. We're having a great day here in Louisiana because our guest is not virtual this week. We actually have Aiden King for the second time on the Will It's Good podcast, but the first time in person, so welcome. Thank you for having me. It's good. I love it.

I know. Being here in the flesh is good. You know, it really is good. And you said something today I was totally shocked by. When, you know, some people come good. And you said something today I was totally shocked by. When, you know, some people come to West Monroe and then they're like, wow, it's so small. You know, I can't believe how small it is.

But you have been so complimentary to where we live. And you also said it reminds you of Australia. 100% I'm loving it. I mean, I was here last time I came up here for conference last year, which was awesome. But conference time's busy. Yeah, it's not the same. You don't get to see everything.

No. So we got in last night and it's insane. It feels like Australia, it's like all the bugs in the air, the sound of like creatures humming. Yeah, I don't know, it's good. I love it. To some people listening, the sound of creatures humming might seem scary to you,

but it's actually something about it soothing. Oh, it's so soothing. it's like there's no silence, but in a good way. Yes. Like last night we looked at the stars, which you can see here, which I can't see in LA. And it's just like this little hum in the background of like, what are they, cicadas?

I don't actually know what they are, and I don't want to know what they are, because I like the sound probably more than I like the look. Yeah, I don't want to see the look, but then this morning, like they're like a rooster or something. Oh yeah. That was my alarm clock.

Yeah, cause y'all are out at the farm and the rooster legitimately will wake you up. It was great. I loved it. It's country living. The other thing you said today that I was shot by is that I remind you of an Australian, which was one of the greatest compliments I think ever,

because like, I don't know. I mean, maybe Australians think Americans are cool, but Americans definitely think Australians are cool. Australians think Americans cool. And that was like equivalent to saying that like, I'm a surfer girl or something. I'm like, I'm that cool, wow. But you meant by that, that Australians are kind of like.

Lay back, chill, easy. And you're like, yeah, I feel like if you lived in Australia, you'd surf. You know, I will receive that. And I think I will do that. I'm a little bit scared of the shark situation, but if I can get past that, I'll do it. I know, there's a lot of sharks at the moment.

Yeah, there are, everywhere. I know, I don't know whether it's like social media that's showing me sharks all the time, but I'm seeing them every day. Yeah, it feels different. So I don't know, I'll ponder the surfing thing. Yeah. But you have a new album coming out,

which we're gonna talk about. And I'm so excited for you. And I got to hear the new single, which now everyone's gotten to hear the new single. And if you haven't heard it, what you doing? Get out your phone and go hear the new single. But tell me about the album and just this new project you've been working on.

Yeah, so I mean, I'm working on a worship record. It's my first ever on my own. So the album is gonna be called, well, actually I don't know if I'm gonna say it right now. Ooh, a mystery. I appreciate it. It's a mystery. But it's been like a long time coming. So obviously I've been part of the Hillsong

and Young and Free for ages. And I moved to America three years ago. Came here to kind of just start working on my own thing. I started in like writing like a pop record, which was really cool. You started this album working? It was going to be, wow. Well, I thought my first album on my own

would be like kind of like a pop album. So I moved to America to do that. I was kind of like all geared up to do that. I'd finished the album. And I remember like, I was driving one that. I was kind of like all geared up to do that. I'd finished the album. And I remember like, I was driving one night, I was just praying. I was like, God, like what am I meant to do? Like the album was finished.

Everything felt kind of like, felt right. But there was still something, like all the practical things felt right. The album was done, the songs were done. Like I had written things that I felt proud of, but I remember being like, I don't feel like a peace about it completely, which was confusing to me

because practically it was all great. And I remember just praying like, God, what am I meant to do? And I remember in that moment, it was almost as if, I don't hear the voice of God audibly, very, it's so rare. Maybe once in my life,

but I remember this moment, I was like, it almost felt like I had, and it was like, God was kind of just saying, don't forget about me in this process. And for me at that time, it wasn't that I had forgotten about him, but it was almost like I had forgotten that the gifts and things that I feel like God's given me,

like I wasn't completely, I wasn't ready to fully use them for him at that time. That made sense? And so I was like, okay. wasn't ready to fully use them for him at that time. Does that make sense? And so I was like, okay. And I went to London. I remember like right after that. And I'm sorry, it's a long story, but anyways, I was in London.

Yeah. First of all, that's the beauty of a podcast. You're supposed to tell long stories because everyone actually wants to hear the heart behind. Like someone's going to see you announce this album and they come to the podcast to actually hear why you did it in the first place. So tell the heart behind. Like someone's going to see you announce this album and they come to the podcast to actually hear why you did it in the first place. So tell the long story.

So I'm in London and this was a couple of days after that prayer, which I was like, it felt like a shattering kind of moment when I had that moment in the car because it was almost like I'd spent two and a half years working on this pop record. I'd moved countries. I had like changed a lot of things in my life.

I'd started working with new people that I hadn't worked with before. And it was really exciting. But when I had this moment of clarity from God in the car, it was like, it was almost like, oh my gosh, this is a pivot, a huge pivot from all the things that felt exciting. And so I go to London on the back of that.

And the trip was just actually just like a vacation. And I'm praying or whatever. And I went and met up with a friend, one of my good friends, his name is Josh Grimmett. And he's an amazing songwriter. And we met up one day, had coffee, and then we went to the studio and we wrote this song. I remember like the first lines that were coming out of us

was like, made to worship. And it was this like reminder again of like, oh, that's what I was made to do. I was made to worship God. And that song, I guess, was the catalyst for this record, which is yeah, a worship album. And it's like, you know, from that moment too, I was like, how do I make this feel like,

I've done corporate worship for so long with Hillsong and with Young and Free, and I really wanted the project to be, I guess, different to things I've done, like same in the heart, but I wanted it to feel like new. And I remember on that trip as well, I had met with another friend who's an amazing artist, not a, not a worship artist, not in the Christian space, but loves God. And we were talking and I remember him saying, you know, I would love to have the ability to write a worship song or sing a worship song. And I was like, it's strange that people can sometimes feel like they can't do that.

Like they've boxed their identity or who they are is boxed by what they do. And that kind of started the journey on this record where I've been able to invite a lot of people that have never sung worship songs publicly before. And they may be known for other things, for being an artist in different spaces, but I wanted this project to be this place where like, hey, everyone can come and sing worship.

Like that's what we were designed to do or made to do that. That's so cool. Yeah, and so it were designed to do or made to do that. Yeah. And so it's eclectic, but it's cool. That is so cool. Yeah. I have so many questions. So when you decided like, okay, I'm moving countries, I'm doing my own thing, I'm writing an album.

Do you feel like in the same way that people feel like they can't write a worship song because their identity is wrapped up in maybe pop or whatever their thing is, do you feel like you were feeling the same strain of like my identity is wrapped up and like I'm a worship leader for this church and I want to establish like who I am now outside of that? So it's like the same wrestle, but the opposite.

But yet you're called back to the identity of being a worship leader, because it's more the music, it's a part of who you are. Like, were you feeling the need to rebel from that identity crisis as well? Yeah, I mean, that's really interesting that you pointed out because I actually haven't thought about that, but that is actually so real.

Like, that's 100% the reason, like, yeah, that's wild. You just pinpointed something that feels real. Yeah. Well, it's interesting, because I don't know, as you were saying that about other people feeling like they don't have the freedom to do worship because they're in a box, I feel like it would make sense naturally for you to feel

that in the opposite sense. However, it's not a box for you, it's an identity. Completely, yeah. So it's not something that you have to rebel against, it's something you actually need to run to, but I can see how it could also present itself in the same way as like a box. Completely, yeah.

Like I, for sure, there was part of me that wanted to rebel. You know, I'd done everything that I'd done creatively, musically. I had done under like, you know, in the confines of church, which I've loved and loved, and which is awesome, but I always was like, what else could I do?

And I think that was me rebelling, like, all right, I've done that, that's awesome. I wanna do that for the rest of my life, but is there something else I can do? And I still feel like there is, and I still wanna do that. I still wanna put out songs that aren't worship songs. Like, I look forward to doing that. But I think, you know, over the journey

of coming to America, being there by myself, you know, it's the first time I've moved cross country away from family at the end of COVID. So there's a lot of things. And I remember like, just being like, okay, cool. These are, it's a cool idea to do this Aidan, but like there is like, I just felt like that season in my life, I was more aware of God than ever before.

Especially when you're by yourself and you're trusting and going out in faith. I was like, wait, hold on, actually, the right place to start this for me is where I've always been, what I've always known, what feels like what I was designed to do. That's so cool. So the timing of it,

you worked on something for two and a half years that all of a sudden God was like, hey, don't forget about me. Which when you say that, it's like, wow, that's so cool. But actually that would be so hard to work for something for two and a half years and then be like, okay, not gonna use that, we're pivoting. Did you feel that stress of the hustle of just time,

of people saying that you gotta put something out, this is so good, why won't you do this? Did you come up against those things, or were you just like, it is what it is? Completely, yeah, that was like, for me that was the hardest part, I think, because it was, all my friends had been on a journey with me, everyone I knew, I'd been talking about

putting out music for so long. It's been like five years of this conversation. I actually even remember that. Just from Steph hearing about you're gonna do this album. And I remember that so clearly, so that's funny. Yeah, that was difficult because it felt, even it felt strange to me, like, all these people had been with me,

even the people I'd worked with on that record. See, that's the hard thing. It's so hard, it's not just me, it involves so many people. And like, I don't know. I mean, if it wasn't, if I didn't know, if I didn't think it was from God, I wouldn't have made such a radical change

or decision or pivot. Like, I just don't, I don't have that in me because I'm such a people pleaser. Like I wanna just make everyone happy. I want everyone to be good. So for me to like do that was, it felt radical. Like it was pretty, yeah. But I'm grateful now.

I mean, if it all makes sense and I'm really excited and I'm looking forward to whatever this next season is. Yeah. We've been talking a lot about, so I have a new book coming out called The Next Step. And it's kind of from the verse, like your word is a lamp into my feet and a light into my path.

And how whenever the Bible talks about that, you think about like, you want the whole path to be lit up, but that's actually really not how life is. If you like see the oil lamps that they have in the Bible days, they're tiny, like literally tiny. It would just actually light up your next step. And so that's kind of one of those moments

where it's like, okay, God, like you gave me the clearest next step. And so that's kind of one of those moments where it's like, okay, God, like you gave me the clearest next step. I don't see the end of this path right now, but I see so clearly where I'm supposed to go. And you just got to trust that as you step, the confidence, it'll lead to the right thing. And it's really cool to see that like now you're like, well, now it makes so much sense.

But it didn't that day in the car when you thought about probably all the phone calls you have to make, all the people you gotta tell. Even just like the pride of being like, all right, I'm pivoting. And it's okay if people misunderstand that. It's okay if people think it failed or people think it wasn't, whatever people think it's okay

because this is what God so clearly said. Go ahead. That was what I was resting on. I was resting on the fact like, okay, it's God. Because I mean, it felt, it almost made me feel like, oh wow, it was the last two and a half years a waste. Like did I waste so much time? And I think, you know, as a guy, I mean, I'm 31 now. Like I think for anyone, you start,

you put all these weird timelines on your life. Like I should be at this place by the time I'm 30. Or, you know, you put all these weird timelines on your life, like I should be at this place by the time I'm 30 or, you know, if anyone listening, like I think we all do that. Like, and I think that was a moment for me to go to reassess, like, why was I having all these, putting all these pressures on me? Like, I want to be at this place at 32 or whatever.

And, you know, even personally that kind of let me like step back and go, okay, like, why do I have these things, these constructs? Like, why do I have these things? These constructs, why do I have these ideas of it needs to look like this? And it's kind of sent me straight on this path of trusting God more than ever. That's cool.

So yeah. That's cool. Okay, so you said you have all these friends come on the podcast who typically aren't known for singing worship music, but are getting to sing these worship songs with you. How did that happen? Was it like based out of friendships that you had?

Was it like people God just put on your heart that you asked? How did you start asking those different people? Well, all of it came so naturally. So it was all friendships. The first song, which is out now, Thank You So Much Jesus with Paul Klein. He's one of my good friends. Like way back in the day, I remember like,

I had heard about him. This is before he'd started the band Laney, which a one of my good friends. Like way back in the day, I remember like I had heard about him. This is before he started the band Laney, which a lot of people may know. It was like the love songs of the summer, like 2013, 14. And I had met him probably just before he started Laney. And I remember I'd flown from Sydney to LA and everyone was like, hey, there's this guy. He's amazing. I think he was kind of going to our church at that time. And I was like, maybe this guy could like be in Young and Free. I remember thinking that. And so I went over and met him. We wrote some songs together at the time they were worship songs. And it was really cool. But then like a couple months later, he started Lainey. That kind of blew up his life, went on a different trajectory.

But we've stayed friends over the years and, you know, we've always like supported each other and he's always said to me like, oh man, it'd be so cool to like write a worship song and be so cool. And at my birthday, my 30th, a couple of like, a couple years ago, well, year and a half ago, he, we were talking, he's like, man, I would love to like, my birthday's on Christmas day. So I think we had my birthday like the beginning of January. Anyways, he's like, I was like, what are you hoping for this year?

And he's like, I would love to like write a worship song. I was like, okay. He's like, yeah, I've just always wanted to do that. I'm like, well, let's just do it. And at this point I was making a worship record, but I didn't really think of it like that. So we went into the studio and we wrote with my good friend, Ben Tan, and we wrote the song. And I didn't really think of it like that. So we went into the studio and we wrote with my good friend Ben Tan and we wrote the song.

And I didn't know where it was going to live or what it was going to be. We've written a lot together over the years, some stuff for his albums and whatnot, but we wrote the song and it was awesome. I remember we were just talking about what we were grateful for and whatnot. We wrote the song and I remember going home and that night I get a text from him and he's like, bro, this song is like everything's like my mom and dad are gonna be so proud because they've been praying for this, right? That's awesome.

And I was like, that's so cool. And then the next morning he sends me like a link, which is so funny. He sends me like a zoom link. He's like, can you jump on this right now? I'm like, okay. And I was driving and I pulled over and I'm like, put, opened up and he's like, it opens up my phone, like it's a zoom link and he's like sitting there like on a table and he's got like his manager next to me he goes bro this might sound weird but I

need to sing that song with you and I was like oh okay I'm like wow and he's like he's like I know that sounds weird is that okay I'm like bro absolutely I'm like of course you can I was like I mean I weird. Is that okay? I'm like, bro, absolutely. I'm like, of course you can. I was like, I mean, I'm honored that you would ask. I'm like, okay. And that was the first kind of thing like that. And then it kind of happened over and over again. So with the people involved, it was like out of conversation.

Like, hey, I'm working on a worship record. Like, do you want to write? Cause all these people that I worked with are amazing songwriters. They just haven't always used their gift in that way and they wanted to. So it just happened like that. Relationships, relationships. And it's been really cool.

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That is so cool. The song is so amazing. The first time I heard it, me and Christian were in the car. I was like, oh, I have chills. This is so cool because someone like Paul Klein, who I know him from Laney, follow on Instagram, he is definition of cool.

You both are. You both just have the swag about you. Your outfits are cool. You all carry like a really coolness about y'all, a little edgy, you know? And so to hear like two guys like that just like overflow, like their hearts overflow of like gratitude to Jesus and like love for Jesus, it was so amazing. Like it's so beautiful, it's so powerful.

And it shows people that like, you can actually be really cool and like fully love God. And like- Yeah, I think it's the coolest thing you can do. It really is. I mean, it 100% is. And I don't know how that got mixed up for it to not be, but to kind of take it back to that, like you can be,

cause that's like this, if you are created original and wonderful and beautiful and unique and different than everybody else, then you should look like that, but fully in the context of actually what you were created for and you can do that fully loving God and loving people. And so I just love it. It's so good.

You know, I think it's really cool. Cause when I think about your life, like you have so many strong friendships with like well-known people. And that's not something that like you sought out for necessarily. It's just, you just are friends with a lot of people. And that's not something that like you sought out for necessarily, it's just, you just are friends with a lot of people. And people are gravitated to you.

I hear people say things like, me and Steph talk about this. Like if the word we hate the most is like networking, like people trying to network people. Cause you feel it, you're like, yeah, that feels weird. And so like to love people without an agenda attached to it is like such a gift that you can give anyone in life,

you know? And I don't think you just have to be in like the LA world, the Nashville world to like face that. I think that's just like on a day-to-day high school, you feel that of like who's who and how you're gonna be friends with them and how it benefits you and all those different things. Like, can you speak to just that a little bit

about just like friendships in general and pursuing them and how you cultivate such great relationships with not just well-known people, but everybody? How do you go about friendships? I mean, it's a great question. I'm so grateful for my friends. I could not be sitting here with you without friendship. The reason I'm here is because our relationships

have brought us here, and also even being in America. I don't know if I have any, my wisdom around it is more just be the friend that you would want in your life, and I don't think I always get that right. I think I probably get it wrong all the time. I think I don't reply to texts sometimes. I'm pretty bad.

In fact, right now I have a text that I didn't reply to and it's not good, because anyways, it doesn't matter. But it's fine. But yeah. I feel you on that. I feel you on that. There's grace for that. Yeah.

But I mean, I think, you know, when it comes to like, anyone in any sphere of life, I think people just genuinely want like, like honest relationships where you can talk about the things that matter and with no judgment and like, you know, support. I think I, like for me, I don't know, I think it sounds, this kind of sounds strange or selfish

in some ways, it's like, what do I, what would I love from a friend? And for me, like, I know like support is a huge thing. I have like problems with like overthinking, from a friend. And for me, I know support is a huge thing. I have problems with overthinking, I'm a perfectionist. And so I know that I would love encouragement. I know that I love those things. And so I've just always tried to be those things.

Because it's the only way I know how. But yeah, I don't know. I love people. I love hanging. Well, I think it comes from a genuine love for people. And you feel that. When you really like love someone and have their best interests at heart and support them,

it's felt from both ends, you know? It's like, and you also know when it doesn't feel like that. And so I think having a genuine love for people and doing relationships, it's so beautiful when it goes both ways. And that's when you get those moments where it's like, oh, you're doing assault with Paul Klein and he's asking you like, can we do this together?

Because that's out of a friendship. It's not something you even had to like ask a favor for. It's like, we wrote this together. It makes sense to do this together. Like there's no, there's nothing awkward about it because there's a genuine love and friendship there. And I think like people need to think like that, not just in the context of like a celebrity,

but just like I said, high school on college campuses. Like it doesn't matter who is who, like everybody wants to be known and everyone wants to be loved and everyone wants to be loved for the fact that they're fully known as who they are without anything added to it. You know, and so I love that. And I think that this album and I haven't heard the album, so I'm speaking before I've heard it. I know it's going to be amazing, period. I'll send it to you tonight. Yes, yes. Yeah. Okay, I'm so excited. But like, it's a testament to your friendships.

It's a testament to who you are in out of relationships, what beautiful things can come from other people's perspective, doing life with other people. To the point of your songs and albums and stuff, you know, Christian and I are huge fans of all your songs. We love them. We were literally talking today at breakfast,

like you have to help yourself to not like hum the songs that you sing around you because they're so in our head already, we listen to them all the time. But it was so cool because we were talking about that and you said, I wouldn't even, even if you did start straight up like humming one of my songs, I wouldn't feel awkward about that because after you said,

after you released those songs, especially worship, you don't feel attached to them in that way. Can you speak to that a little bit? Because I thought that was so interesting and so cool. Yeah, I think being in a church community, like growing up at Hillsong and all that, like the songs that we would write were there as tools for church. We needed new songs to sing on a Sunday.

And they were literally like, I guess, and it was like us stewarding a gift that we felt God gave to us. Then we asked releasing it to the church. And then at that point, what the church does with the song and what the song becomes for people is not really on me, it's on God. And that kind of taught us very,

like taught me and I think all of us, like, hey, like don't be precious about songs. So if the song gets used, amazing. If it doesn't, like be open-handed. And in that process, I think it's made me go, these songs don't really belong to me, they belong to God and they belong to the church. And so I was saying to you this morning, like I've been in church services before and I've heard

like the worship leaders start singing a song that I wrote and it takes me a while to even register. Like I spent hours writing that song for months, stressing over it. But then I'm hearing it and I forget that it's me because I've just disassociated. Exactly. Disassociated. Do you feel that stress free with this album? Being your like solo album? I do in some ways. I feel like, yeah, I mean, I feel a little like nervous. I've never, cause every time I've done anything,

it's been in a group. And so there's like a beauty in that. Cause every win that you have, you celebrate together and every loss, it's together. And so, you're never feeling everything, you're never feeling every emotion on your own. I think when you're doing your own thing, you can be like, it kind of does. One of the texts I didn't reply to was like,

approval for a photo that's gonna go on YouTube today. Yeah. And I forgot to do it. And now they're gonna have to do the wrong image. So like things like that. So like that is on me completely. I'm only laughing because I do that kind of stuff. So I'm like, okay, I like feel Steph looking at me right now across the room.

I know I'm outing this stuff in the room right now, but I feel her looking at me because that is me too. So it happens. But yes, you feel, yeah, it's a team still, but you're the one, it's gotta be you. You can't hide behind the shadow of someone else. No, no, yeah, so I, yeah, but I'm excited, and I feel like, I hope that I feel those same feelings. Like when it's out, I just can, I can be like,

okay, cool, that's it. Well, I think like it's so cool, cause it's still worship, so you do feel that. Like for me, like if I, you know, we get asked, I get asked to like speak places, but mostly it's like to preach a sermon. And that I feel super confident in because I love the word of God.

I can talk about the word of God all day long. And I'm gonna prepare like crazy for it because that's just what I do. But even if I didn't, I could get up there and preach the gospel and be confident and whatever happened because God used it and it's His word and it's on His spirit to do the action. If someone asked me to like go up and talk about like

business or something, I would be like, no. Like how would I talk about something else for 30 minutes? Like how would, I wouldn't feel comfortable if someone was like, even like how you run LO, even I, that would be hard for me to talk about, because it would be so singled out on me and like what I've done and I would feel a bit awkward about it.

But if you're talking about God, it's like, oh, so easy. And it's so, because it's actually still not on you. It's all about Him. Even if it's your gifting in Him, given by Him. And all of it really is, obviously, even if I talk about business, it could be him. But I've had some places that have asked me to come that have been more corporatey,

and they're like, hey, you can't talk about your faith. Or even sororities I've spoken at that say, hey, you can't talk about your faith. And I go, I don't really know what I'm gonna talk about then because that is who I am. But it lets you just kind of relax because that is who I am. But it lets you just kind of relax in that. But I do relate to what you're saying though,

because I remember growing up on Duck Dynasty, I was with my family. It was always like my family. It's the Robertson family. I'm just a part of the Robertson family. Then when I got asked to do Dancing with the Stars, it was like the first time that it was like me, not my whole family.

And they were there and they were supporting me, but like, I'm the one doing the dance, you know? I loved it by the way. Steph has showed me all of it. It's so good. Yeah, I've heard this. That is just, that's something. Okay.

But I think like that was such a cool experience for me and it scared the mess out of me. I was definitely really nervous about that because it was the first time I was just kind of like, here I am, we're all outside of just who my family is. But it helped shape me in so many ways. Like, I mean, I look back at the time of my life and it was so essential, you know, so essential. And it led me to what I'm doing now in a weird, cool way. I mean, I'm obviously not dancing, but it shaped me.

And so I feel like it's really cool that you're getting to like show the world like who you are and outside of like just a part of something, like this is who you are. And I think it's so cool that it's still worship. Like I think that is so cool. Cause that is who you are. How did you, how did you do that? Like how did you transition from being like, okay,

I'm a part of a family, which you still are. You didn't transition out of that, but you still are, but then how did you find your own kind of thing at that time? Yeah. That. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I would have been too afraid to, like, as far as like where you're at, where you're like, I'm ready to make the move. I'm ready to move countries. I'm ready to make the move, I'm ready to move countries, I'm ready to write the album. That time in my life was actually not that time for me where I felt ready, and that's why I feel like it didn't change me until later, because that was the time and opportunity given to me

that I was able to kind of step outside my fear, but I wasn't ready to embrace it yet. And so it was about a year after that, where honestly I felt really lost in the fact that people know who I am now, but I still haven't really shown them who I am because I was too afraid to and insecure to. And I'm not just Willie Robertson's daughter.

And I'm not just the girl who was on Dancing with the Stars because I didn't even fully show that yet. And so I was really wrestling like, God, what do you have for me? What are you going to do through me? And who am I? And it's actually really cool because that like wrestle, I remember I did this YouTube video and it was my first YouTube video ever. It was like 10 years ago, over 10 years. No, it was 10 years ago now. If you went back and watch it, it's hilarious because I'm so country and it's very embarrassing. Yeah But that was the first idea. Okay, so it's actually called live original Okay, there's my first YouTube video not fitting and it's like little original and just be you or something like that

Yeah, and I didn't have YouTube at the time But what I did was like I did this video in front of my camera. It was actually iMovie on my laptop. And anyways, it was three, two, one, curtains rolled back. Here I am talking. I just got out of the shower and no makeup on, my hair's wet. And I basically started talking about how like,

all these people see me, but like that's actually not who I am kind of thing. And I talked about when God shows David, man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord's like the heart. And I actually want people to know my heart. It was just like a really vulnerable kind of like talk. And at the time, that's when everyone was saying like,

goals, goals, this, and your goals, eyebrow goals, whatever it was. And I was just like, I feel like people think I have reasons to be confident, but I don't actually feel confident. And I'm actually really insecure. I just kind of like share my heart. Well, my sister helped me like start a YouTube channel

that night and she posted it for me. And it got a lot of views really fast. And like Good Morning America called and wanted me to come on to talk about why I did that. And that was the first time I felt like I was like, I actually want people to know me. And it came out of like the messiness. But then that opened the door for me

to also share like the beauty. And so then my YouTube channel was how I started sharing messages. And like, they weren't messages like I'm doing now. It was like 10 minutes on modesty or 10 minutes on what it means to be a Christian or just like random stuff. And one thing led to another and now I'm doing what I'm doing.

But that was like the start of like paving the path. And so, yeah, you know, that's what I mean by Dancing with the Stars was an opportunity for that, but it wasn't the time yet. And maybe your pop album idea was kind of the opportunity for that, but then it was like, actually skirt, like we're gonna go this way. That was kind of me.

It was like- Yeah, the pop album was my Dancing with the Stars. It kind of was, was like, actually skirt, like we're gonna go this way. That was kind of me. It was like. Yeah, the pop album was my Dancing with the Stars. It kind of was, because like, the thing is, after Dance with the Stars, all these opportunities open in a very different context. It was like movies and acting and all this stuff, and it just didn't feel right. Like it was cool, because I felt like,

okay God, you're opening these doors, clearly you're gonna do something with my life. I don't have a piece about that, because that's not what I was made for. It's a very similar thing to what happened to you. Because I was in these rooms that it felt crazy to say no to, like it felt crazy, but it was like, I don't feel right about it.

And I don't have any backup option right now, but that's a no, you know? And so then- On paper it looks so good. Yeah, and you're like, yeah, this feels really crazy. And I remember I just signed with agents and they said, if you say no to this, no one will ever take you seriously. Like, you're not going to, like, we don't even know.

Like, literally they were like, we're not going to keep letting you into these rooms if you're going to say no to things like this. Because this is what you say yes to. And I was like, okay, then it's just gonna have to be a no because that's not it. But that's scary, you know, because. Did you feel like, were you questioning yourself at that time?

Like, wait, am I, or did you just know? Oh yeah, no, well, I mean, there's kind of both. There was a part of me that just knew no, but there was a big question mark to like, okay, what if I said no to this, and what do you have for me? That's what felt scary. Because I did not, I never thought about ministry

being something I was gonna go into. So there wasn't like a backup, oh, but I'm gonna do ministry. It wasn't even, that wasn't even a thought yet. It was like, if I say no to this, then do I just go back to high school and like just be like, okay, that was a weird time in my life

and then go to college and throw javelin, which is what I was doing before, which is funny because we both had the track thing. Like, oh, it's just, yeah, no, that didn't feel right either. Neither one of them felt like right, but I didn't know what. And so during that time of praying is actually whenever I saw a woman preach for the first time at a summer camp and it gave me vision

for what my life could look like. I was like, I could do that. And that's what felt like my gifting is like. I was like, I actually could do that. Like God, you've put something in me that has the ability to do that. And if I did that, it would make everything about my platform begin to make sense.

And so it's just really cool. And I think, you know, God's doing that in your life too. Or it's like, I want to do this and maybe it hasn't been done before. Maybe it's just really cool. And I think, you know, God's doing that in your life too. Or it's like, I want to do this and maybe it hasn't been done before. Maybe it's different, but this is what makes sense. And it's so cool how like, then God just starts putting all the pieces together. It's like aligning the right people.

Everything just feels natural and stuff. But there is that wrestle. But I think that's where like your faith really begins to grow because it's like, you know, faith is confidence in the things you hope for insurance and the things you cannot see, which is a verse that's like really fun to quote,

really hard to live by. It's like, oh, okay, confidence in the things I can't see, like, and the things I just hope for. And so when you're in those moments where like, you really can't see what's next, that's whenever like, you really have to lean into faith and just trust that if you don't have peace and if it's a no, it's a no for a reason.

And then no for the world is like a yes towards God and he'll direct the path. Wow. I love, also one of my favorite things in my podcast interviews is whenever people start interviewing me, I'm like, I love this. Because yeah, it's rare, but I think that's the beauty of in-person interviews

opposed to virtual interviews, because when you're virtual, you feel like, okay, I'm sitting here, I'm doing an interview, I'm being interviewed. Yes. But when you're sitting on a couch with someone, it's so conversational. Oh yeah, I thought we were having,

I forgot we were even recording. I know, well that's why when I ask you, I'm like, oh sorry, I asked you such a personal question about, do you feel like your identity was in the box? But that's the beauty of conversation. Completely, yeah. And so, no, I think, yeah a personal question about like, do you feel like your identity was in the box? But that's the beauty of conversation. Completely. And so, no, I think, yeah, it's really cool. Do you think, like you said, you'll do a pop,

maybe you'll do a pop. Do you think some of those songs you wrote in the two and a half years will be used later? Yes, I think so. See, that's so cool. God doesn't waste a thing about it. No, and I think it will make more sense. You know, I think it, I mean, I hope that it does, you know, I kind of am really just open at this stage right now.

I feel like, I like, like we said before, like I had these meticulous plans, you know, I'd moved all these things that felt like, oh my gosh, I just, I can do this. I can check this box done easy. And I think seeing God kind of just shift that so quickly has made me just be way more open-handed. So I'm like, oh, that could happen. That could happen again. God could redirect me or things could change. My life could, I don't want to be holding things so tightly.

So even with that, it's like, I say yes, cause I'm like, I want to, I want to put those songs out. And I'm sure I will, but I don't know when or how. And like, I just, whatever. Well, I don't know when or how, and like, I just, whatever. Well, I think it's so cool too, because like, I think for me, even with Dance of the Stars, which I'm like, oh, I don't dance anymore, but actually like on social media,

one of my like, when I post dance videos, they get like some of my most views. And I'm like, that is so funny, because I'm saying something way more important here, but okay, at least it's fun. But actually people always say to me, I love that you're this Christian who loves the Lord, and you really do, and you're convicted in all things,

and you're preaching, but then you're also just having fun and being a human and dancing to the latest TikTok trend. And I think that that's the beauty of your saying, it would be out of context, because if it was your first album, and it's all pop, it'd be like, okay, he's done with worship. But if it's like your first album and it's like the heart of worship,

because this is what you're made for, and then you're like, no, but I also, and like, I like pop too, and I'm actually good at that. And we can make some awesome pop music that's like just fun and speaks to just like joy and happiness and makes you dance and laugh and all those things. And so I think, you know, as Christians,

we should be like well-rounded in that. Like God made us to worship, but he also like created a so unique with like all these aspects of our life. And you don't have to like ditch the other side of things like dancing or laughing or having fun, just being goofy. And I've got some like criticism for that too, but mostly, mostly appreciation.

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Like I think that was a lot of like what I've been thinking about the last couple of years is like as a, as Christians, sometimes we have this tendency to like be really extreme with things. Like, like you said, like, oh, I can't post a dancing on TikTok because I'm a preacher, I'm a singer. Like, I can't, like, I feel like we're like, I don't know. Like it's, it's, I think that sets people up to not relate to Christianity though, because then it's like, okay, then I can't be human. No, you are human. God made you human and the image of him. And so I think when people see someone like preaching and then, yeah, doing the latest TikTok trend and not conforming, you're not conforming to the pattern of the world. You're not just like throwing away your conviction

and doing like, there's obviously a limit to that. Like you didn't see me do certain TikTok trends, but like there are some that just- It's just the book step, that's fine. Yeah, I know. It's just like the fun stuff of life, the joy in life. And you look at the Bible, and like the people in the Bible, they're so human,

and Jesus sat with them and loved them and appreciated them. And I always used to think, it's so annoying that, not annoying, because the word of God is holy and perfect and wonderful, but I was like, I wish there was something about them being like funny in there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish there was like some fun.

But then I remember one time a pastor told me is like, oh, you don't think God's fun, God made you, like, you're fun. Like, of course they were fun. Like, you don't see that because maybe they just didn't write it in that, but you did see like them hanging out on the boat, fishing together, like having meals together, having a glass of wine together, like celebrating together. So yes, that's there. Just don't miss it. I mean, 12 guys hanging out, like that's never not funny.

It's never not fun. No, they're having so much fun. Like, you know what I mean? But yeah, okay. Yeah, that's definitely been something I've thought about because I don't want to ever be that way. Like you can't relate. You can't relate, but yeah. It gives people the freedom to fully be themselves and fully love God, which I think so much of this conversation keeps coming back to.

Like fully being who God made you to be and fully loving Him in the context of that and honoring Him and respecting and all the different things. So anyways. I have one more question for you. It just really quick. Just when you were, so you did that video on YouTube, right?

And then it got you onto Good Morning America. Was that the first time that you felt like you had truly been, like the people were seeing who you truly were. So it was like this one moment of like courage or vulnerability that like, then set you on a path. Yeah.

Oh, for sure. It felt like the most honest I had been with the world. It felt like for me, I was just getting rid of the filter I had put on myself. I felt, to be honest, I felt like a hypocrite during that time, because I felt like all of a sudden people kind of put me as this like poster child

of Christianity because my family is Christians and I was the daughter who was respectful to my parents and loved Jesus and I did. But I was also not living a great life at the time. I was like very much so a 16 year old girl, 17 year old girl and as much as I wished I was the person people put me on the pedestal to be, I just didn't feel like I was. And that bothered me so much.

Like that ate me up. And I felt like I just wanted people to know like that's actually not me. Like I do love God, but I'm like not perfect and I'm really struggling. And I mean, cause at the time, like I remember at that time like I said, opportunities were opening in different spaces. So I was doing like modeling and stuff like this.

People were seeing me on New York, like walk the runway at fashion week. And like, and I was just like, but I'm so insecure. Like I actually really struggle with like my image and my body and then also like my relationships were not good and I didn't have friends at the time because everyone thought I had changed and I don't think I did a good enough job

showing them that I hadn't. And like so I just felt like I need people to know this. I mean, everybody knows this because I'm not gonna like fake it. And then actually being so honest was like, it just like broke the ice for me to just like stay honest and stay in that vein. And that's what people are related to the most.

And I think that like, I saw other people be famous and do it in a way that was filtered and it worked. And I couldn't keep up with it. I was like, I don't actually want to be that famous person. I actually want to be a sister and a friend to those who don't have one. And I want to act like a sister and a friend. So I need to take my makeup off

and tell people how I really feel because this feels like I'm a fraud, you know? And then I got to like be me. And it's a whole message of Live Original. It's like, you got to live your message first, you know? And that's hard. And it's a whole message of live original. It's like, you gotta live your message first, you know? And that was hard to, it's a little bit easier to talk about than to do. But actually, even though I say that

it's hard to be vulnerable, it's the most freeing thing I did for myself. It was the best gift I gave myself because I didn't have to like keep up with an image that I wasn't. Completely, yeah. I mean, when you said that, it made me think of us on the plane,

flying here with my friend Fraser. And I was asking him how he got engaged. And he was saying, like, there's a quote from, we bought a zoo. It was like, 30 seconds of courage can change everything. Is that right? Yeah, 30 seconds of courage can change everything. And he was like, I just, he told himself that,

like, before he like went and met his, I think he was I just, he told himself that, like before he like went and met his, I think he was even meeting, he's over there, but he was either meeting, going up to talk to her for the first time, or he's getting engaged. He like, he looks in the mirror, he's like, just 30 seconds of courage. And like, it's interesting what that can do, like when, because it's really nerve wracking

to be vulnerable, like to put yourself out there, to be who you really are. Particularly when people put things on you, I can't imagine for you, it's like you've got like people who watch you on TV or whatever and they think this is who you are or whatever. You've done dancing the style, all these things. And you want like to take all those things off

and show who you really are is really nerve wracking. But I guess what I read from that is like, or heard from that is like, it literally set your whole life up. To where you are now. Oh, it set my whole life up. Like literally, I would not be doing this podcast if I did not make that video.

Like, because I would not have been in that direction. I wouldn't even be in that mindset. Like this requires vulnerability. And I think that truly the most freeing thing you can do for yourself is to just come clean. Because if you, my mom always said this, like when Duck Dynasty started, she said, if you have a secret, you be the one to tell it.

Because they're gonna find out about it and somebody will tell it unless you tell it. So just like, you be the one to tell it. And I remember like, okay, like hearing it, but then later on as like our fame grew, as like the TV show grew and stuff like that, understanding really what that meant. And actually that was one of the reasons why I did want to start a podcast

because I felt like I was constantly doing these interviews and then they would be condensed to this clickbait title and then people would be like, oh, that's what she has going on in her life or that's who she is. I'm like, no, I actually, I want to be able to tell my story and YouTube was a great way for that podcast

and was a great way for that. Podcasting was a great way for that. It's like, I don't wanna be in the box of what people think. I would rather just tell them what's actually happening. And even if it's worse than what people think, I'd rather be the one to tell them what's actually happening. But it's so freeing to live in the light. Like it's so freeing. And it's actually so funny that you say that

about that quote, because I had heard a similar quote, eighth grade at a Bible study, my cousin was leading. And she said, five seconds of awkward can save you from a lifetime of regret. And I wrote it in my first book. I say it all the time. Well, five seconds, sometimes it takes 30 seconds, honestly.

Sometimes it's a little longer than five, but it is at that five seconds, because it really can lead to a lifetime of going, if I only would have just come clean. And so when I think about it at 17, I'm like, man, thank God I did that for myself because I set myself up to just be me. And it's messier than the image of the filtered image

and the this and the that, but it's what people need. People, when you are fully living who you are, it gives people the freedom to live fully who they are and what a gift to give your friends and the people around you and the people that follow you. And to not have someone, another person on their feed that they say, I could never look like that. I could never be like that.

I could never measure up to that. But to go, that girl looks a lot like me. She talks a lot like me. She, you know, relates to me. And I just think it's cool. But anyways, now you're interviewing me fully. And I need to get back to interviewing. Well, aren't you gonna start a podcast?

Or did you start a podcast? We started one, but we only did, I think, four episodes. What? We'll keep, we're gonna start it again. We're gonna start it again. Okay, you need to circle back to that. It's hard work. It is hard work.

I don't know how you do it. I'm looking around, this place is amazing, but I'm like, it's a lot of work. Okay, but I started there. You're looking around, this place is amazing, but I'm like, it's a lot of work. Okay, but I started there. You're looking around here, just remember, half my first season was recorded in my Jeep, in a closet, and I was literally, should we go buy a microphone from Best Buy today?

So, everyone starts from the bottom. That's where we are right now. You gotta work your way up. But don't stop, because you're an incredible interviewer. Really? Okay, great. Oh my gosh, yes. I didn't come here to interview and it just came out of me though.

But hey, as long as you feel like well-respected in the fact that I interviewed you and people heard your story, then I appreciate that you interviewed me as well. Well, okay, you didn't tell us what the album's called, but will you tell everybody when it comes out? But shouldn't I just tell them that? I mean, wait, this is, yeah, okay.

No, I shouldn't, okay. But it comes out on October 18th. You're like, is this my five seconds of awkward that suits me for a lifetime of regret? Okay, no, but it comes out October 18th? Yep. Okay, everybody, this album comes out October 18th. You do not want to miss this.

I've, we've got to hear the first single, which is absolutely amazing. And there's so much more to come. Aiden, seriously, thank you for coming to Louisiana, being on the podcast, and thank you for also interviewing me back because I actually really appreciate it. All right, of course, I love it.

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