WHOA That's Good Podcast - The One Person Who Made Us Feel Normal During 'Duck Dynasty' | Sadie Robertson Huff | John Luke & Mary Kate Robertson

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Sadie is joined by John Luke and Mary Kate Robertson, and they're answering YOUR questions! How did John Luke and Mary Kate meet? What was it like getting engaged — and then married — on a reality TV show ... and then going to college as newlyweds? And you don't want to miss hearing about Sadie and Mary Kate's EPIC fight over a Monopoly game when they were teenagers. Sadie brings everyone to tears as she reflects on how special her and John Luke's relationship with Mary Kate was before, during, and after "Duck Dynasty" and the gift it is to be a trustworthy friend. This Episode of WHOA That's Good is Sponsored by: https://liberty.edu/Sadie — Get your application fee WAIVED when you start your future with Liberty University today! https://sadiepens.com — Stock up on Mr. Pen Bible journaling supplies today! https://drinkag1.com/whoa — Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3K2 and TEN free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase ! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah, since then but not together. Yeah, which is so funny But I guess just with all of our dynamics in life, it kind of works out for that, and Mary Kate to be on with the girls, and you've been on for different things with Christian, but people want y'all. Like y'all are the couple, y'all are where it's at. So thanks for being on together.

This is gonna be cute and fun. But before we dive into a full conversation, which also these questions are brought to you by you guys. You all sent in a lot of questions for John and Camille and Kate. So it'll be fun for everyone to get to know you all more. But well, that's good. Coffee just came out. What's up? Yeah. And when we're filming this episode, we have the coffee, but we don't have the mugs yet.

So this is throwback to the OG original. The OG original. I chose that one specifically for this. Thank you, John Luke. And you have a nice Duck Commander mug. But the coffee is fantastic, John Luke. Well done. Thank you. Yeah, I'm so excited.

This coffee we're doing for this is cool because it's also coming from a family business. So grandfather in country in Nicaragua actually growing the coffee. Brothers and uncles packaging it, shipping it to New Orleans and then coming straight from New Orleans up to here. That is so cool.

And it was a Woe That's Good listener who got in contact with me. That's so cool. She's in college and she said, hey, my family has this, you know, we grow coffee and we're important in New Orleans. We'd love to like give you some. And I tried it, loved it.

And I was like, this is actually perfect. That is so cool. I remember when you told me that was like, this is so perfect. Cause we actually, it was when you were on the podcast with Christian, we said we should do a, well, that's good coffee. And then you've been working on it for a long time,

but for it to be like a family company and a well, that's good listener, it really came together. And it's a true like you drink it and you go, whoa. No, it's really good. Yeah. I just put it in my home coffee maker for the first time this morning. It's like, this is awesome. So Krish, I said, go get yourself a coffee boy. This is the what-is-good coffee, but no, it's delicious. It's amazing. And you guys can buy it. So you can go on our Live Original website or is it on y'all's website too? Maybe.

Go to the Live Original website. We're saying all this before it's officially happening because by the time this episode comes out, it will all be out. Right. But yeah, so first of all, let's just get to know you guys. What's your go-to coffee order? My go-to, I mean, every morning I just drink it black.

If I go to a coffee shop, then I'm getting a hot honey oat milk latte. That's Christian. That is literally Christian, except for not fully, because he always tells people, when I'm at home I drink it black, but whenever I'm out I get a oat milk honey latte, but it's iced.

And I'm like, do you though? Because I think we definitely make iced honey oat milk lattes every day. So, but you know, you gotta say it to be a man. So. I actually like, when I was like getting into coffee, I was like, I'm only drinking black, I'm gonna get KimEx.

It would be like, if you came over and asked for a cup, it would be like 20 minutes before you got it. Cause that was like all the preparation. And now since I like owned a coffee shop and roast my own coffee, I go in and I'm just like pumping it with syrup. Like just milk and syrup all the way. You did used to do that though.

Cause I remember visiting y'all in Lynchburg, Virginia and y'all are going to Liberty. I get there and I wanted a coffee and you made me it. And it was so cool cause I remember you like measured it. And I was like, this is so epic. And that was actually the week before I went on my first date with Christian, by the way. I remember being up there and thinking about,

I'm about to go on a date with this guy and have a mouthful of coffee. What kind of beautiful view. So that kind of takes me back. Mary Kate, what's your go-to coffee order? I like my black in the morning. And then if I have one in the afternoon, I do iced

Honey vanilla latte. I'm so inspired. I think I need to do some more black coffee Like that's probably a lot better for your morning. I'm definitely a latte girl We definitely drink it black. You have to have good coffee. That's true. It's not good. It's not it's just not good That's true. Is it like an Americano at home? Is that what you do? I got that button but it's just not good. That's true. Is it like an Americano at home? Is that what you do? Yeah, that's what we do. We just do that. Yeah, we do Americano, yeah, usually. I got that button. I'm gonna mess up an Americano. You do mochas too though sometimes.

Yeah, I do mochas. I do. Last time I had a mocha, I got a really bad headache and it was not even related, but now I'm... We're taking a break from the mocha? You know how it takes you back to that moment. Oh, yes. So I'm taking a break off my mochas,

but I do like my mochas too. Speaking of taking a break, can we bring up what you just reminded me of? Pre-conversation. Before we start this podcast, we're reflecting back to when Jolly American Kate started dating and me and Mary Kate were best friends first, before they started dating.

I mean, we were always together. Like, I think it was every Monday night, you spent the night with me, and like every Wednesday, I spent the night with y'all. We would spend the night like twice a week. I had my own ice cream pint in y'all's freezer. Like, this is the level we were on. But there is this one big fight we got in high school,

and it was pretty intense. You want to share? Well, I hadn't thought about it. I was telling Sadie about it beforehand, because I thought about it the other day. I hadn't thought about it. I was telling Sadie about it beforehand because I thought about it the other day. I hadn't thought about it. I mean, probably, well, probably not since it happened. I probably thought about it since then

because it was that major. But then it happened. An epic. But Sadie was talking about something the other day about her and Christian and like them being competitive. And I was sitting there and I was like, you know, I don't come across as competitive anymore, but like I used to be really competitive.

All growing up I played sports and was just so competitive. Very athletic. But to a fault, and that fault was definitely came out. It came out. We were playing Monopoly in high school. Oh my God. So mad.

I didn't even remember what I'm mad about until you said it. Well, to be fair to you, I should have never been the banker or whatever because I'm not good with numbers. I'm not good with that kind of responsibility. And I don't know what I did, but I kept receiving a lot of money from the bank. And I think I made up a rule, like that wasn't a rule. And I was like, oh man, like, and then all of a sudden I had like so much more money than everybody.

And then you realized it and you got mad because you thought I was cheating. But I wasn't like trying to cheat. I was just like, oh, I really messed this thing up. Which you probably had like a better chance of winning, but then I messed it up, it was bad. And you got so mad at me. We didn't talk for three days.

And I remember being like, oh my gosh, I should have never been the banker. It's so funny because you're the cutest little human. I mean, first of all, you are so cute. But even your lifestyle is so cute. You're just so put together and sweet and kind. And you would just never know that you are the most competitive person

Dark competitive side. Well, that's what Sadie was you were saying taking a break and I had to take a break. I Just kind of backed off Yeah, I just like couldn't even involve myself in like a sport or a situation or a game for like a couple of years and then I was able to come back and a Little calmer. a little more refined. You came back stronger. And you can play games and it's awesome. And now it's more fun.

It's more fun for me too. It is. And like, I feel like there's just, when you look back at high school, there are some of those stories from me where like, you know how you said, like, I probably thought about it, but not really. There's some stories I think about and then like, it's too cringy to like really sit there and I'm like, listen, fast forward, fast forward. Like the Taylor Swift in New York?

Oh, that is so cringe. This moment haunts me. Which I forgot about that too until you brought it up recently. I hate this. I hate this. So in high school, I'll share it. We're already, we're too deep. You have to share it now.

This was our other moment that- We're just cutting out this whole section. It could have been a fight between us, but it wasn't because you were very gracious. We're already, we're too deep. You have to share it now. Yeah. Or we're just cutting out this whole section. It could have been a fight between us, but it wasn't because you were very gracious. But Mary Kate had this idea. This again, we were like probably 17 and 18. Maybe.

Yeah. I wouldn't even give us that. I think we were probably 16 and 17. We were young. We were engaged. So I was 18. I was 18. OK, so 17, 18.

Yeah. Makes it worse. I wish I was 15. I wish I was 12 when this happened, but I wasn't. Okay, so 17, 18. Yeah. Makes it worse. I wish I was 15. I wish I was 12 when this happened, but I wasn't. So we were all going to New York. They were engaged. We were going with mom, which also

that whole trip was so funny. Yeah. Oh yeah, because first of all, there was a snow hurricane. So like- Snow hurricane? Did you know that was the thing? It was like a monumental- It was a monumental moment for like New York.

Once a century sort of thing. Is it called Juno? It was called Jun monumental, once a century thing. It was a monumental moment for New York. Was it called Juno? It was called Juno. Yeah, because the movie. I was like, whoa. So we were in New York and Juno, the snow hurricane hits. And also the stomach bug is not as important about this. But on the plane, Mary Kate's like, oh, I'm so excited to go to New York because I'm going to take this picture of New York in the background,

and I'm going to have the Taylor Swift lyrics as my caption, welcome to New York, it's been waiting for you. I'm like, I love that, yes, and I just take it as if like, thank you for handing me that idea. I get probably you to take the picture of me. And I still her caption. I have not heard it.

It was a little it was actually more it was the phone screen of the song. Oh, it's so it was it was more of even like a set up. Brutal. How did you still love me? It said he just literally did it. So cringe. So cringe. And we it. So cringe. And we didn't talk about it for years. And she apologized for it, like last month.

Last month, I was like, Ragegate, I'm sure you haven't thought about this, but sometimes when I look at you, I still think about it. I got still cringe. And I'm like, I'm so sorry I did that. Because again, in my mind, I wasn't even trying to be like, oh, I'm like, I'm so sorry I did that. Because again, in my mind, like it wasn't, I wasn't even trying to be like, oh, I'm stealing this. Because I think if I did,

I would have felt awkward about it at the time. I'm just like ADD squirrel over here, like that's a great idea, I'm gonna do that. And then I'm thinking like, okay, yeah, Mary Kate didn't do that, why? Because I just stole it and I did it, so rude. I literally told Bella the other day, I said, you know, sometimes I'm like, think about drama back in high school

and like when you're in it, you think other people did it. You know, you don't put it on yourself. And I'm like, hindsight, I'm like, man, I did so many just stupid things like that, where you're like, oh, it's not like that, but it is so cringy. Thankfully you did not hold that against me,

at least for the most part, because when I apologized for it last month, you were like, I'm not thinking about that. I'm literally not thinking about that. Literally 10 years ago. But we've had so many just amazing life moments. When we literally, I was thinking about it with that, we literally grew up. We've grown up together. We became adults together, but we also knew each other as teenagers.

I know, which is so fun. And when you said Taylor Swift, my first thought was the Taylor Swift concert we all went to. We have so many just fun memories as teenagers. And then now we have kids that are the same age, literally being pregnant with Honey and Ella is one of my favorite things that we got to do together.

And it's just really special. But let's go back because you guys started dating in high school, so we were best friends and all of a sudden, generally it starts crashing the party. But everyone wanted to know a lot of the questions were how did y'all meet? So take us back to the beginning. Yeah, we first met at a summer camp,

which is cool because our parents met at summer camp and grandparents and not the same summer camp. But that was when I was like, I guess I was ninth grade, 10th grade, you were ninth grade. I think we were like 15. Like 15. We were 15. We were about 15.

Yep. And we were put on the same team in this like our like big like Olympic games or whatever. And we actually have a picture of us doing wall sits like next to each other as a challenge. And then we were like talking. And so that was our like first interaction. I was like, okay, I like this girl. Like we literally have a picture

of like one of our first conversations, which is funny. Yeah, which is cool. And then- And we're talking about you. He asked me, I specifically remember asking him, do you have any siblings? Oh yeah. In that conversation.

And you told me about all your siblings. Because this was before you went to OCSR school. So that's before we became good friends. And this was before there wasn't Duck Dynasty. There was Duck Commander. And so I didn't know anything about like the Duck Commander show. But I do remember my dad's a big hunter. And that fall, I remember, okay, like being on the lookout,

like for John Luke, like his family's like hunting show. And sure enough, it was like playing all the time with my dad watching it. That's so sweet. Yeah. And so then you transfer to the high school that we went to. And then after that, y'all became friends. We became friends and started dating.

And then got married right after high school and moved to college. Yeah. So we met when we were 15, but then I went to my other school for a full year and then I didn't move schools for him. I always try to make that. She's specifically moved schools thinking about me since that 15 year old summer. No, she didn't. We were dating at that point. We were both talking to other people. And at the end of my senior year, so we started, we met at 15, started dating,

I think right before I turned 18, and we were already 18, and then got married, got engaged on your 19th birthday, and then got married the next summer. Well, it was crazy because you were still in high school when y'all got engaged. I was actually on Dish With The Stars during that time and came back.

That was like the one time I came back during the season for the engagement party and it was so fun and so exciting. And it was really crazy because back up, so that was in October, y'all got engaged, but it was in March y'all started dating. Cause I remember we were all together and it was like, it's not called the Idies of March, it was like the I's of March.

The I's of March. I pronounced it the Idies of March that day, which is very memorable, because I always pronounce everything. We still celebrate the Idies of March. We celebrate it, we usually text Sadie. Yeah, it's Sadie. Sadie is my sister who was there too.

Happy Idies of March, happy Idies. Well, I always pronounce everything incorrectly and I remember it was like on our calendar and y'all started, it was like you officially were like, we're gonna be my girlfriend, y'all are already pretty much dating. And I was like, and it's the it is of March. And it was just a really memorable moment.

And so then y'all got engaged, it was crazy because you were in high school, you were in college, not at Liberty yet, you were still local. But like, okay, a lot of people have this question and it's very valid. How was it like dating and being engaged in high school and then being married for college?

Like was that wild? I don't think it's like the same as most people because I was so old. Like I was 19. I was 19 and like a full year older than most. Like turn 19 at the beginning of your senior year. At the beginning of my senior year. So like most people would be in college at that point.

So I was already so old. And we were filming the show. And so we were at that point like semi homeschooled. So I also wasn't like going to school every day necessarily. I like that semi-homeschooled because you were just missing school. Yeah, well no.

That's why we always say we were semi-homeschooled. I've never heard this semi-homeschooled term. Well, we had a work permit. Probably because I just made it up. We had a work permit. We did have a work permit. Yeah.

We were still doing it. We did have it in school. Yeah. It just was, I just, chaotic. We just aren't going to class. Looking back, I don't remember much of you doing school at your house is what I'm laughing about. Well, I did the work.

Yeah, I did the work, except for as we discovered on a home project I did a couple weeks ago, there's some math class that I missed and couldn't- Some gaps. There's some definitely some gaps there. Yeah, me too. When I take that ACT, I say I have missed something. The monopolies.

I have missed something. There's some stuff in there that Yeah, me too. When I take that ACT, I say, I have missed something. Or the monopolies. I have missed something. There's some stuff in there that we did not do. I think I missed a subject. I'm just kidding. Yeah. I just got interviewed about what my biggest dream in life is, which was so fun to just sit and think about. Following our passions to achieve our goals

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You also bring up, we'll get to being married in college in a second, because you bring up a good point. We were filming a show during that time, so y'all's relationship was on TV, which also, when I think back to y'all's engagement, that was so epic, like y'all had Ben Rector there. Like, that was a crazy time of our life. Like, that was such a big engagement,

such a big wedding, film for TV. Looking back, do y'all appreciate that? Would you have wanted it to be more private, or are you glad it was out there? I don't know. I mean, it didn't really feel like, to me at least, it didn't really feel like that. I mean, the whole show,

like we've talked about Duck Dynasty before, and locally in our hometown, it didn't feel like we were these big famous people. It was just, we're just living our lives, you know? So in the moment, I didn't really, like I didn't think about it like that. I mean, now I think that we're, as we get older, we're kind of like becoming more private.

Like we see kind of the, I don't know, if like holiness or just like importance of, you know, being who you are and not having to put everything out there. Yeah. You know, some of that, like, some of that, yeah, I can't really think of the word, that holiness of like your own sacred kind of your own life. And so looking back on like some of that that we filmed or had on TV or showed, it's like,

if we were doing it now, we would be like, ah, that's kind of our, like, secret part. It felt normal at the time, I'll give you that, because we, everything was filmed. Yeah, and that's what I was just thinking of. I was, I don't think the wedding really made that much of a difference, because so much of the show was already out there.

Like, I don't think, I mean, yes, people did. We would get approached a lot about people. I've had some people who are like, I've watched your wedding like three times. And honestly, I don't really, I'm like, awesome, yay. Like it's never felt weird to me having our wedding out there. But I do think like,

I look back on those early years of our marriage and think it was probably a lot harder than it could have been without having it, just our lives be so public. Like I think had our lives not been so public, we would have had an easier, and not just as in like a marriage, but even just like separate, like I look back on me

and I feel like that was such a formative time of my life to have so much attention that's not natural. And I feel like it just puts, I don't know, this pressure or really just a lot of pressure and probably just a lot of thinking of myself too much because I'm getting too much attention and I do think that in general, just being so public probably,

once I feel like a few years into marriage, especially once we moved back here and things started to slow down because we were traveling a lot, like our first year of marriage, we were just traveling a lot and doing a lot. And I feel like a few years in, I was like, wow, I feel like this feels so normal and steady now.

And I look back, I'm like, wow, that was crazy. That was crazy. It was crazy, because it was, and I don't think the wedding made the difference, but just the show in general. When we lived in Virginia and we went to school, like like John Luke said, when we were here, everything felt so normal,

which I'm sure you felt similarly with when you moved to Nashville. And once you get out of kind of like your safe bubble, it's like, whoa, like this does feel different now. And I remember being in college and John Luke didn't want to go to Target because if we would go to Target together, we were just getting stopped and he was taking pictures

and it just felt so, I remember that phone call with your mom, I feel like that marked so much of that first year was we called y'all's mom like the first week of school and we were like, we just kind of feel like these exotic animals or something, like it just feels weird, we feel weird. Like everyone's looking, even if they're not saying anything, you just could feel people looking at you.

When you walk in a room and everyone's like, it's like the tone of the room changes. And it's like people start looking and it's like you hear like whispering and it just makes you feel kind of awkward. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if that kind of answers the question. Oh, you answered that so well.

And I can so relate. I think about moving to Nashville and I remember like being frustrated because in my mind, I'm like, this is me being independent. Like this is me like having the years to have like the freedom. I'm not talking about going crazy. I'm talking about literally going to Target, like going and doing something normal.

And then I kind of got into some like more dangerous situations just because of how recognized I was at the time. And I remember a security guard telling me, you can't go anywhere by yourself. Like you just can't do that. And that made me like really frustrated because I was like, but I want to. Like, I want to live my life, but I'm scared to.

And so, yeah, there's just like, yeah, it just did change our life and not, and there's so many positives, but there were just like shifts. And for y'all, it was for both of us, like such formative years. And so getting married, you know, I asked the question what people are asking

about being married in college, but y'all had layers that were a little different than everybody going to college because you were so recognizable. And like you just came off of your wedding being on TV with so many people watching it and whether the wedding was on or not, you're right. Y'all's relationship was just public.

And so that just added some different things. I wonder, and I've never asked you this before, John Luke, but I feel like I crave this, because I remember when y'all were getting married, you were so ready to get married. You were so ready to settle down, so ready to get married, so ready to commit. Do you feel like part of that readiness came from,

and I'm kind of speaking from my own self at the time, because I remember at the time, part of me wanting to be in a relationship with someone was like I wanted to just be known by someone and like something to feel normal, something to feel secure and steady, whereas like my whole world felt so crazy and I felt like a lot of people thought they knew me

but they didn't. And so the ones that did know me, especially in relationships, I felt more desperate for and not like a bad way, but I just so crave that. Do you feel like part of wanting to get married and settle down young was out of being such a crazy time? Like you're like, I'm ready for something to feel steady. of wanting to get married and settle down young was out of being such a crazy time.

Like you're like, I'm ready for something to feel like steady. Yeah, I've never thought that. But looking back, maybe. I mean, I think in the aspect of I was maybe more attached than I would have been to people who were my friends at the time and who I like knew or like my true best friends, you know, which Mary Kate being you know, one of those and so like I don't feel like it was uh, I don't want to say it was like wanting to get married or commit out of like a Not in a bad way, but I definitely can see like probably made y'all closer

Yeah, I mean it was something like about Mary Kate that like I knew she was real. I knew I loved her I knew she loved me. I knew like our friendship. There was no like ulterior motive So like there was a level of trust That we had yeah that I think in a different situation without the show, without that, it would have still happened, but it would have happened over a longer period of time. Yeah.

That makes sense. To speak to that too, and I literally feel teary-eyed thinking about this because I'm literally gonna cry thinking about this. This is so funny because I was not expecting this out of this conversation. Like, let's just get to know you. But to Mary Kate,

and in all sincerity, like you were that friend both of us could trust at that time. And like, I mean it, like, and I know I've never like said that to you because I don't think I've even thought about that. But like you were that friend to us that both of us could trust. You never had ulterior motives. You welcomed us in your home. When we were at your house with your family, your parents and Kelly, we felt so normal. Like when I think to my high school years, like the fun of being a high school student, it was y'all's house.

Like it was the memories we have. I didn't expect this. I know. Like I was just thinking about that. Cause I was like, I bet you like clinged to her from that. And I did in a friend way, you know? And I was just thinking about that. Cause I was like, I bet you like cling to her from that, and I did in a friend way, you know? And I was just thinking about that, because I was like, I did that for you as a friend,

he did that for you as a girlfriend. But, because even like Dancing with the Stars, when I got asked to do that, like people have heard me tell the story about me not wanting to do the show and like saying no, because I was so scared. And people probably think that, like people might be like, okay, were you really,

no, like you all remember that night? might be like, okay, were you really? No, like y'all remember that night? I was like so upset. I drove to your house because I was like, what am I gonna do? I can't believe my whole life still had to change. This feels so crazy. Drove to y'all's house, cried the whole way. Got there, was so worked up.

This is like the ugliness of the, but just real. I threw up in the car. I was embarrassed about how upset I was that I tried to just leave your house and not come in. And John Luke ran outside, saw my car, jumped on my car, cause I went and let him in, jumped on my car. And this is terrible.

But I was only going like five miles per hour, but I kept driving. I was like, get off my car. I'm not opening this door. I'm not opening this door. And so then I was like, get off my car. I'm not opening this door. I'm not opening this door. And so then I was like, he's not getting off the car. So then I pull in your house, you get off the car, you open the door and your mom and y'all come out

with cleaning stuff to clean my car and help me. And we sat there on that couch and talked about me going on the show and what it's gonna look like and y'all are gonna be there. And not only were you there for me, y'all there I mean it was just so special and so I don't know we just haven't really ever sat down and reflected back and been like thank you for being that friend like it was uh that was a crazy time of all of our lives and we went through that together. that together. You guys have heard me talk about AG1 for a while now, but for a limited time, I have

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Let's get back to these questions. Okay, but because people did have questions about being married in college, and even though it was crazy, y'all did actually get to experience being a married couple in college. And y'all actually lived, like after that first year, I feel like y'all were able to live a pretty normal college life.

Like you guys built an amazing community. Talk about like the fun of being married in college together. Oh yeah, super fun. I mean, we had great friends, loved them just recently, went to one of their weddings and it was awesome. And I think it was even better us being married in college. It was good for us, but also good for our friends because we had a house.

So it was like everyone only wanted to come over to our house, you know, they were living on the door. So we got to like make this space. That was just fun, have people over. Yeah. I really feel like it was like what we made it to because I totally see how being married, like they didn't have married housing. Like that wasn't a thing.

I think it might be now, but it wasn't then. And like to get really involved at school, you either had to be playing like the intermural sports or your hall. Yeah, or like getting the clubs or whatever. Well, they didn't have the clubs. See, they had the halls. I mean, they had other clubs,

but not like Greek or whatever. It was by your living. So whoever was on your hall that you lived in, on, that's who you were like, and kind of like a group with. Well, that's who you were like, you know, in kind of like a group with. Well, yes. Yeah. It was just us, yeah.

We lived in our house, and so we weren't on campus. But I can see how we could have just kind of closed ourselves off. Yeah. And, like if we wanted to, we could have very easily just really closed ourselves off. But I feel like we really made an effort not to do that. And we had people over just all the time.

Y'all had the most fun parties and things. We had so much fun. We had so many fun. That's when we were at the wedding in New York, like two weekends ago, one of my best friends from college, I was talking to another girl there who we went to college with and she was like,

we just had so many fun themed parties. Like who does all these themed parties? She said, but that's something. When I thought it was so neat because she said, that's something that I've taken me and another girl who was at our parties and at school today with live in Nashville now. She's like, oh, we do these themed parties.

We do these, we're the fun ones and people are always coming to us. And they're like, how do y'all even think of these things? And she was like, really so much of it goes back to college. We had our office party, it was the office party. We did Mardi Gras, we had the holiday super theme parties. We played cards, we danced, like we did all kinds of stuff. One night after a party,

we had people literally walking across hot coals. We did coal, yeah, we did hot coal. Like the floor is lava. No, like we, no like literally like coals. Literally fire in our backyard. It was like fire walking. In our backyard, yeah. And people were running.

What? People were going crazy. And to add onto this, we didn't even have, like there was no alcohol. So like all of our fun and all of our parties, like we weren't all just drinking. Even the coal walking, like there was no alcohol. So like all of our fun and all of our parties, like we weren't all just drinking. Even the coal walking, no one was intoxicated. Everyone was willing to do that sober, I don't know.

That is hilarious. Everyone was willingly just running over coals in our backyard. That is awesome. But it was fun. I remember that, like during that time and then we did the same thing in Nashville, inspired by you guys and what y'all did.

We did the spicy UNO nights and all the theme parties and it was just like a blast. And so yeah, y'all still do that. We all still do that, which is like so much fun. And I think that's the thing about life when people always reflect on their college years or like that was the fun times. Like, no, it doesn't have to stop there.

It can keep going. And then, you know, a healthy, mature way, especially if you're not having alcohol at those things and getting drunk and all of things, then you're still having the same fun, you know, when you're out of it and bringing your kids into it, which is just like so special. A lot of people want to know about your lives now,

particularly Mary Kate, your homemaking, because your Instagram is so beautiful, so well done, but it really is a reflection of your home and your life. When I go to your house, I'm like, yep, you're making something good to eat, and you have a new kid's craft up on the wall, and it's so sweet and so cute. What is homemaking meant to you,

and how did you start creating your home the way that it is? I feel like it probably took me, I don't know, I feel like where I'm at now in doing it, like where my heart is now, I probably didn't come to this mindset and till probably after we had Ella. So probably the past like three years, I feel like Ella really solidified for me,

realizing, I don't know, for whatever reason, I think God just helped me go ahead and switch my mindset over to like, this is something that's worthy of your time. Like being home, like with them. And I feel like at first I, I don't know, I just didn't feel necessarily just like super fulfilled in it. And I feel like God just really opened feel necessarily just like super fulfilled in it.

And I feel like God just really opened my eyes probably like three years ago to this is really good work. Like this is good work, this is holy work, this is hard work, but just making our home. I've heard people say like the woman is like the heart of the home and like it really is kind of flowing out of the things that you can said and like your attitude and your mood.

Just the whole tone of your house. Like you set the tone of like your house. And I don't know, I think when I was able to like make that switch over into really enjoying it and not to say it's not ever like hard or, but it's really good. It's really good and I really enjoy it. I think it's like, it comes down to establishing like

your why, what the purpose of something is, and you know, especially something like your home, it can just be like the place that you're the most comfortable, which you are comfortable, you should be, it's your home, but sometimes you put less intention behind the things you feel most comfortable in. But when you're reminded, like,

this is the most important thing, this is where I need to be the most intentional. It's like, okay, now that you're focused on that, you've been able to create some really beautiful things that are so intentional. And that's like, each time you're like, hey, here's a new craft we're doing. And it like gives me a good idea to go do that with honey.

And like, you're good at thinking of those things. And it started with that intentionality and God laying that on your heart, which is really cool. And John Luke, you have been roasting coffee, but also running camp again. So talk a little bit about camp, because someone asked, how do you be like a good camp leader and church leader?

Because they know that that's what you do. Speak into that a little bit. Yeah. So like short, long story short, I came back, we came back from college to do camp. I was running Camp Sherco full time in 2019, 2020, COVID hit, not a great time to be in camp directing. Camp kind of shut down. We majorly downscaled and I was like, okay, I need another job.

But a coffee shop ended up being two coffee shops, coffee truck, coffee roaster, expanded into this kind of big thing. How crazy, like how big that was. Right. And then with the goal, with always the goal being to come back to work full time at camp and was still kind of doing both. Then last year, I took a yeartime at camp and was still kind of doing both. Then last year I took a year off of camp and sold the coffee shops, kind of moved everything out of it, except for the roaster,

which I'm doing like just kind of a side project now. Just honestly just for fun stuff, like literally just for like that commander by commander and for us. And then moving back into full time at camp. So this summer I was full time, more than full time I was there from 8 a.m. to 2 a.m. every single day and just loved it. And I think like doing being in ministry or any kind of life, like how do I grow as a camp leader or like a church leader? I think it's kind of simple.

Like I read my Bible, I pray, I am in community at church, confess my sins, I worship, and like that's it. Like that's how you grow closer to God. You just do that every day, every week. that's it. Like that's how you grow closer to God. You just do that every day, every week. That's it. Yeah, like wherever you are. So good. I love that.

Because it's like really receive that advice from whatever job you're in. How do you be good at anything you do? You know, it starts with those same things in life. I love how you mentioned you're in a great church community. You guys have an amazing community. And I want to ask you about that because a great church community. You guys have an amazing community. And I want to ask you about that because a lot of people did ask, like, after becoming

parents it's hard to find friends. How did you grow in community? So how did you all build the wonderful community that you're in now? Yeah, I mean, I think just showing up, continuing to call, make phone calls, go to lunches, you know, find babysitters, take time. Birthday parties. Birthday parties. Yeah.

So many birthday parties. Going to church on Sundays, seeing them at lunch, you know, going to lunch with them, just committing to being in each other's lives. Yeah. And I think it takes, I was actually, I can't remember how that came up. I was talking about that this morning. I had two friends over this morning and I was, we were talking about something

and I was like, it really is like a sacrifice. Like friendship is and you, you know, you get the return for sure, but like it's effort that's put into it. And I think that like, it's just inviting people over. Or it's not, even if it's not your house, like to the park, like somewhere, like put the invite out, just invite them and then invite them again and then invite them again.

And you know, I mean, if it's like, okay, this person literally saying no all the time and they don't move on to somebody else. But I also know that now, like my friends that were over this morning, I haven't seen either of them for like a full month, which is usually longer than we go without seeing each other. But talking with the both,

everyone just had a really crazy month. And I think there's also that like understanding, you know, of like, everyone also is going through times, like two of them had school, kids starting school like this month and like, our vacations and just being understanding, you know, that sometimes there's seasons when you'll see them more or less, but you know, you should be putting forth

the effort and seeing some effort put in on their end as well. And both of you saying like, invite someone because I think so many people wait to get invited and then you're like frustrated, but you just have to be the one to invite or open up your home and then, you know, eventually hopefully it's reciprocated

and it's a mutual friendship. And it's so true where it's like when you're in college or you're in high school or whatever, like friends are your main priority, you know, it's like make friends. Then after you get married and you have kids, like that's your priority, but you still need friends and you need community.

So yes, it's not gonna be top priority in the sense of like, you might not see each other every week, because you can't, because you have a husband and your kids and life's crazy. But like, yes, be as intentional as you can, because you need that too, in order to be a great wife and a great mom,

like having your people that you can call on. And it was so sweet, like just the beauty of community. Last night, we kept one of our friend's kids while they went on a date. And it was so funny because they went out to dinner and then they ran into two of our other friends in our closest friend group and they were like, where's your daughter?

And their daughter was with Reeves and Lydia. And we had their daughter. And I was like, that's the beauty of community because we have our once a week confession hour, which is so awesome and hilarious. But we just get together during lunch once a week and we're just like, what's everybody got going on, like the real stuff.

And just able to kind of pair with each other, talk it out. And two of our friends had said, spend such a stressful week. So we both separately texted and said, hey, we'll keep your daughter. And we didn't even talk about that. And then it just was so sweet that they ended up

at the same place for dinner last night. And I was like, that is the power of community. We got together, we heard a need, we both individually reached out to the, happened to be the other person, which was awesome. And they ended up going to the same place for dinner. And so yeah, community is like so needed in this stage of life.

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We didn't see each other all summer like we were talking like we would get lunch every week and then summer hit I went to camp we didn't talk at all so it's probably been three months since we've seen each other in person like we've texted talked on the phone some and he is wife they were about to have a baby and so last week we were trying to get together he called me I missed it, I called him, we just like didn't connect. And in my mind I was like, oh, we'll see each other this week.

Well then they had a baby early. And so then I was like, well shoot, I guess like, I guess it'll be another month. And he called me yesterday. And again, like he called me, I called him back, we just all day, we finally connected last night. And talked for a while, and then it was like, okay, whenever you get back home and y'all get established,

and we'll get back together. But I think it's the being confident in- Yeah, so true. In friendships being over months instead of every week. Oh, it's so true. That's like, even with my friends, we have our weekly thing, but not everyone can come every week.

And it's like, just if you can come, great, if you can't, but like you pick up where you left off. But then I think about my friends who live in Nashville, cause I created so many great friends. And those are the people like, I won't see for six months, but like we pick up right where we left off. And there's never like hurt feelings. Neither one of us are just good at calling each other cause we're both just bad at that, but we pick up right where we left off. And there's never hurt feelings. Neither one of us are just good at calling each other

because we're both just bad at that, but we know that. So it's never offensive. It's just like, it is what it is. Then you get together and it's just so sweet. You know, you pick up on life. And so, yeah, I think when you're older, when you're a little bit older, you have to have a little bit more grace

for just times you've bought in and just also more of that commitment to show up whenever people need you, but special. I was kind of thinking like, for me, it's a confidence in yourself that you have friends. Because I think it's easy, like for me, it'll be like, I haven't talked to anyone in three months, it's easy to be like, I don't have any friends,

but I do have friends. They're just, it's just on a bigger time scale. Yep, it's so true. And so I don't have any friends, but I do have friends. They're just, it's just on a bigger time scale. And so I don't have to like act in desperation to find friends or keep friends or get down or lonely or whatever, because like I've got friends. I know like it might be a couple of weeks, but we're gonna get back together. Yeah.

And I think too, like I was just thinking if someone's feeling like, cause I think this was true for me like several years ago, but like if you're feeling like you still don't have enough community, like you're not seeing your friends enough. So like say you with your friends like in Nashville, like you know that you couldn't just have friends in Nashville, you know, you knew when you moved back here,

you needed friends here and like kind of not spreading yourself too thin with like friends, like, because then you don't want this one person to feel like one or two people to feel like they're carrying a lot. Spread out your friendships to where we've both got our groups of friends, we're also friends. So I get my time with my family,

I get my time with these friends, and then I've got friends who are long distance. But I knew that when I moved away from my long distance friends, I needed to have close community too. So true, I love that. I feel like instead of forcing someone who's just, someone could just have a different pace of life

or a different schedule and they can't be with you. Cause I think we do need community often and like, but if you're not getting it in this one space, seek out some more friends so that you're not putting too much on one or two people. I love that. I think that's so good. Yes, family is your friends. And that's a great thing.

And receive that. And then have your community. Have the ones that are spread out. And I love how you said, too, don't get insecure on yourself if you don't have that person right now. And also, know, I think as an adult, the other thing with friendships is it does take

a little bit longer to get like a depth there because I remember even the girls who are like my close people now, who are my confession hour girls, all that kind of stuff. It took us a long time to get to the point where we felt like the same depth of the friendships we had in the previous season of our life. Because we lived with those people.

So like, of course I would be super close to the people like I lived with. Or you went closer faster. You went closer faster. And you're just like on that level super fast. Like when Lainey and I met, we were like best friends because we like lived together. We were on a tour together.

Like we did everything together. And then when you make a friend as an adult, it's like, well, I'll see you next month. So it takes time to develop that depth. And I remember just as it started to shift for us, feeling like, oh man, these are my people. I can call you. And so it's beautiful, but you have to grow.

It takes time to commit to those things, which is so good. Okay, we've had so many great conversations so far. So many good questions that were asked. And I love that we really stopped and touched on friendship a lot because so many questions have, so many people have always had questions around adult friendships and like after college, and that's hard.

So I hope that was a blessing to everyone. Last question I'll ask is a lot of people had a question about parenting toddlers, little ones, and specifically around how to create like a Christian environment for a toddler. Obviously, they're so young to understand, but are there just intentional things that you all already do to introduce them to God and His Word? Yeah, I mean, kind of same thing we're doing. Like we do a little devotional every day.

America, it's really good about like buying the books and saying the devotional, things like that. Teaching them how to pray. America, it's really good about buying the books, and saying the devotionals, things like that. Teaching them how to pray. We always pray before meals, you know, and so letting them pray. And I think that what we've been intentional about is actually teaching them how to pray, like praying with them, praying ourselves,

praying with them, and then letting them pray, and you know, things like that. Making sure we're at church, praying ourselves, praying with them, and then like them pray and, you know, things like that. Making sure we're at church, you know, as many Sundays as we can make it, memorize my verses and things like that. So like as far as like a Christian environment, I think like just us just living our normal lives with them, like making sure that we're doing the same things we want them to learn.

Yeah. I remember reading one time in a book. This was when I was probably pregnant with John Shepherd, who's our oldest. So we literally didn't even have any toddlers babies yet. And I read in a book and it was I think it was the raising passionate Jesus followers. And one thing that it said in the book was to raise a passionate Jesus follower, you have to be one. It's true.

And I mean, if you're missing that key, it doesn't matter, you know, putting your kids in church some, or like if you're not really living out your own relationship with the Lord and seeking Him, your kids are gonna see, you know, they're feeling the effects of it. I think they feel the effects of our relationship

with the Lord, even in how we act with them and talk with them and respond to them, you know, just in our day-to-day life. And then of course, so like you were saying, like we've got some little devotional books that we like. So we do that over breakfast and just praying for your kids. I love the book. There's praying the scriptures over your children,

which is a great book. And then for devotionals for toddlers, we do the Ryan Bible story book, and then our daily bread for preschoolers. And those are great for like little. Because I feel like sometimes it's like, okay, this is good for like, you know, five or six year old, but like, how do you even start it like younger than that?

So that, and then I think when my sister and I were talking the other day and we were saying she actually asked me that on behalf of someone else so I actually was just thinking about this question like last week and I said I think looking back though out of everything our parents did anything they were teaching us and we were doing all sort like we were memorizing scripture memorizing like catechism like songs. I remember your dad reading us the Devo. That's it, that's what I told my sister.

I said, I think the most impactful thing though, on my walk now with the Lord, was seeing my dad reading his Bible every single morning when I woke up, every morning. And I think it was just that over a whole childhood of realizing this is that important to him. And now I'm getting to see, I have a picture that I took the other day of me and Ella,

cause I get up and I read and I pray every morning and I have a picture of Ella, she'll just come and she'll grab her Bible and she'll just sit beside me and open it up. And I just think that is just, they just, they're gonna copy what they're seeing. They're imitators, yes. That's so good Mary Kate.

I remember your dad, even when we were over, he would say like, all right, I'm gonna read the Devo over y'all today. And he even gave me a devotional exercise as your friend. Like, this is the one we read. And like, he was so intentional about that. You know, like that is what he strongly believes that he would wanna share that with us

and bring us into the overflow of his walk with the Lord. And we have parents that do that for us and in different ways. overflow of His walk with the Lord. And we've had parents that do that for us and in different ways. But yeah, I think it's just the authenticity of you really loving God. And they will, I'll have to read you all this because this is so cute. I wrote it down because I was like,

that was so cute how she just said that, but such a little imitator. So honey, the other day we got home from a trip and when we landed in the airport, we walked out of the airport and the sunset was like super beautiful. And honey walks out and she goes, what a beautiful pink sky. So what a beautiful pink sunset. And she said, can I tell God that he's so sweet? And I said, yeah.

And she said, God, you are so sweet. And then she looked at me, she said, God really is sweet. I love him. And it was like so just like cute and sincere. And I was like, like, I'm so glad she feels like the confidence to just be like, talk to God and like tell him that's a beautiful son. So like learning how to praise him,

learning how to worship him. And then last night there wasn't paint clouds in the sky. And it was like 7.15 and she goes, there wasn't pink clouds in the sky, and it was like 7 15. And she goes, why didn't God make me pink clouds tonight? And I said, well, ask Him. And she said, God, could you make me some pink clouds? Sure enough, 45 minutes later,

it is the pinkest cloud you've ever seen. And she was like, God made me a pink cloud. And it's just like, you know, you're teaching them like how to ask God for stuff. It's it's just like, you know, you're teaching them how to ask God for stuff. It's in those little things, you know, those little moments and just how to like, how to incorporate God into every moment. So it's like, yeah, see a sunset.

You think it's beautiful, tell him thank you. He's so sweet. And then she'll ask me, she always says, why does he do that for me? I always say, cause he loves you that much. And that's been like our thing lately because she notices pink clouds. And so it's like, oh, cause he loves you that much.

And so it's amazing how like teaching your kids about God, it's just like teaching them how to see him in the everyday life, teaching them, yeah, the scripture, how to pray. When I hear honey pray, most of the time it's like really short, but each night when she prays over Haven, it used to be a little longer. Now it's like, dear God, Haven, sleep good, amen.

But it used to be, she would be like, dear God, thank you for Haven. And she would say, and who she's made, because I always say who she's made to be, and she would kind of like botch that part, but like it would be so sweet. And so yeah, teaching them those things and that it's important and the consistency

and it was just so beautiful. But y'all do such a good job of that. And I've seen Ella do that and I've seen Sheffy. I mean, they just have such sweet hearts, you know? And it's a reflection of who y'all are just as people and also what you teach them. But you guys are such a great example in a million areas of life.

So I'm grateful that y'all came on the podcast and answered their questions. And of course, every time I get to talk with you all I learned too And so this was amazing and I'm so thankful. I love you guys. Well, thanks for having us. It was fun Come back on anytime you