Why Won't You Date Me? with Nicole Byer - Kink Gone Wrong (w/ Jonathan Van Ness)

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

Hairstylist and icon Jonathan Van Ness (Queer Eye) shares with Nicole an unforgettable and horrifying story about his first foray into the kink of watersports, what it was like to have his wedding over Zoom, and consults Nicole on her Instagram page, offering savvy tips on how to up her dating game on the app. Submit a dirty message to Nicole! Write it to [e-mail] for a chance to have it read on air. Follow Nicole Byer: See Nicole on tour! Get tickets at linktr.ee/nicolebyerwastakenTwitter: @nicolebyerInstagram: @nicolebyerMerch: podswag.com/datemeNicole's book: indiebound.org/book/9781524850746

Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Please tell me why! Ooh, baby! Welcome to another episode of Why Won't You Date Me? A podcast where me and Nicole Byers just exploring love and relationships because, you know, after a bunch of episodes, still can't figure out why I'm single. My guest today is a hairstylist, television host, podcaster, and New York Times bestselling author.

They are one of the stars of the Emmy Award winning show Queer Eye and the host of Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness. You better believe we have Jonathan Van Ness. Hi. That was the best intro I've ever had. But also, wouldn't that have been hilarious if you would have been like host of Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness? You better believe we have like like some totally other person.

Like I had an intrusive thought that that's what you said. Like I don't know. That's not funny. But I love you. I'm so excited I'm here. I love you so much. I can't stand it. How are you, honey?

I'm good. How are you? How are things? You know, they are thinging. They are thinging right along. The things continue to develop. Yes. One day after another.

Yes, day by day, step by step. Now, I don't know about this, but earlier, that gorgeous baby ran past you in the back. Who is that gorgeous baby's name? That is Clyde. He's a very good boy. Does everyone know about how cute his tail is? Like that purple accented tail is the cutest thing I've ever seen. And I follow you on it. You're not posting about how cute his tail is?

Well, okay. I don't really post things inside my house because that's where I draw a boundary. So if I take a picture of him outside where you can't see like a street sign that's near my house, I will post it. But for the most part,

I keep him to myself. He's my little boy. I would just double tap smash like a picture of that purple tail. His cute purple tail is the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life. It's the cutest pop of color. So cute, so well-placed. I'm obsessed. Thank you.

My favorite question I get is, is that natural? And I'm like, a purple tail on a dog? Yes. Yes, it is. He's part eggplant. Purple Wyler. Yeah, purple Wyler or something. Oh my God.

Jonathan. Okay. So you are married. Yes. How long have you been married? I have been married for, I'm trying this shit on Do Not Disturb. Don't fucking bother me.

I'm on the fucking podcast with Nicole. I've been married for almost, it's been like three and a half years. We've been together for, actually, we started dating. We started dating four years ago in two days. Oh, okay. Well well happy almost four year anniversary i know it's crazy but our four-year wedding anniversary will be like next june wait you've been together four years you've been married for four years no we've been together for for four years we've been dating for four years in two days time but we will have been married for four years in two days time. But we will have been married for four years in June,

like this coming June. So right now we have married by three and a half. Oh, okay, okay. I get it, I get it. So wait, you got married like six months after meeting? Well, we met. We met, just to make it sound not so crazy, we met in March of 2019,

then didn't really do anything. Then we started hanging out again. I remember, like, our second date was, like, October 14th, 2019. And then we did get married in June the next year. So, like, yeah, like, eight months after that or something. I love it. A lot of people are like, you should wait. But then I'm like, but if two people want to get married and if two people want to be together, why wait? Get it done.

And if things happen, things happen. But, you know, hopefully it won't. Hopefully it'll be fun. That was certainly our thinking. So who proposed to whom? Well, here's the thing. My husband's British. So when the world shut down in March of 2020, we had just started saying I love you like that Valentine's Day.

And so I remember calling him and I was like, I don't think I'm the type of person who could just like not know when you're going to fuck me if these borders close. Like I can't just like go indefinitely without like having sex, you know? Because like our whole thing when we were dating long distance was that we went like we didn't go more than two weeks without like seeing each other because he was in the UK and I was over here. So it's like our cute little rule. because he was in the UK and I was over here. So it's like our cute little rule. And then when that happened, I was like, I think if we're thinking that this is something that we're like really want to pursue and take seriously,

which like I think I do, I think you should like get on a plane right now and like get to Texas like right now. And so he ended up getting, unbeknownst to me, on like the literal last flight, like out of, he was like on like one of the last flights, like out of Heathrow. and so then he came here and then obviously the way that immigration works is like you know it was either like we spent all the time that we could spend and then it was either

like he's gonna be here illegally or you know you're gonna need to get married and so it wasn't really like how we imagined. It definitely wasn't how I imagined getting married. But I don't really know how I ever imagined it, you know, anyway. So at first it was really more of like, you know, the immigration lawyer asked us if we wanted to get married, you know. And then she was like, this is how, you know, if you guys want to stay together, like this is what you kind of need to do.

And I really don't ever like talk about this, but I'm happy to do it with you. But so it kind of started out like not that sexy you know like it was like we just there's like something like needed to do but then after like a couple days you know because this was like the middle of May like end of May of 2020 like it started off feeling a little bit more like necessary and then it was like really kind of beautiful because like we kind of had to have like all of these really serious talks together. You know, like figure out like, are we really going to do this and like get married with like a judge in our backyard? And like, you know, like, is this really like what we're going to do? And it was it was what we did.

And it was really sweet. And our family is like joined by Zoom because no one could travel in from the United Kingdom by that point, obviously. So like his parents joined on Zoom, my parents joined on Zoom, which then immediately broke and they didn't actually see us get married. So when we like, after we like kissed and like when he's like,

here, like I looked over at the computer and it was black and I was like, oh my God, my mom's like fucking freaking out. Like she missed it all. So we kind of, we like asked each other and then that was like the story of like how she missed it all. So we kind of like asked each other. And then that was like the story of like how we got married. I love that. I think that's really sweet.

So did you do the K, what is it? The K-1 visa? Is that like when you get married to someone? It is. I watch a lot of 90 Day Fiance and I sound like maybe I know something, but I simply don't. I don't remember that term, but maybe. But now he's got his green card all these years later. So that's good.

So he's here. We're married. We're happy. Yeah, I don't. I've learned so much like being married. But you know what's interesting? Just this morning, he had a, like, pickleball lesson and I was so excited,

Nicole, because I got to shit with the door open. And, I just, like, I, you know,

when people are like, oh, I don't have a partner, like, it's like, I miss shitting with the doors open. Like,

I miss not living with someone sometimes. Like, I love my husband and I love living with him, but like, it is, like, I just not living with someone sometimes. Like, I love my husband and I love living with him. But, like, I just also think, like, for someone who used to, like, be really worried about that I didn't have a husband, now that I've been having one, I'm like, the days when you didn't have one were also fun. And I think everyone should really relish shitting with the door open, like farting on the couch when like not care. Like, you know, like I just try to keep a little mystery on my asshole because like we have to have.

We don't have to have anal sex, but that's my main. That's my money. Yes. And so I do. You know, some gays are more like, you know, humans are humans. But I really do try to like I try not to fart a lot because I want him to eat my ass a lot. I don't want him to like be seeing my stuff. Not that I shit anyway under the same guys.

You know what I'm saying? Like, but obviously if I did, I want to like, you know, because obviously I am one of those people who's like, we're human, we shit. Like there's things. But I just, it's like going to the play. You don't want to see the backstage.

You want to see. Yes. Yeah. You don't want to see the backstage. You want to see. Yes. Yeah. You don't want to see how the sausage is made. A little mystery. I mean, for me, I think that's like 10, 15, 20 years down the line. You can see me shit or never or absolutely never. I don't know.

Some people are very comfortable with that. Me personally. No, thank you. I like, I also like a little mystery. Yeah. never i don't know uh some people are very comfortable with that uh me personally no thank you i like i also like a little mystery yeah i think if you're really committed to like anal it is a little bit like i like to just be like at least drawing attention to the fact that there's shit in there as possible yeah i mean sucking dicks you pee out of a dick. And I like to not think about that when I'm sucking a dick. So I would prefer someone close the door. Want to hear a funny water sports story? Yes.

Okay. I used to have sex with this really hot muscle daddy in West Hollywood when I was in my 20s. He was really, really hot. He was so hot. And this one time I texted him when I was like leaving the clubs and I was like oh my god can I come over and he was like sure come over and so I got over there and we were just having this like hot ass sex and you know how like after sometimes you have sex with someone you're like oh let's take a shower like because you just like had sex you

know so we wouldn't and then yes and it's like when that happens like 20 minutes goes by or whatever and you're like oh my god I could almost do it again. Have sex again. Yeah. Yeah. So it was one of those. And so then when we were in the shower, I was like, I think I was like 23 or 24. And I was like, you know what I want?

Piss on my chest. Like right now. Like I've just, I've never explored that before. Like I think it's going to be so hot. Like I'm just so ready to try that. And so he was like, that's hot. Let's do that. And so then the second that the pee touched my chest, I, my neck jerked like the exorcist. Like it jerked like the girl in the exorcist, like it jerked to the right.

And then I had like this immediate, cause like the smell, it was not what it was cracked out to be is what I quickly. So I was, I was like, oh no, that's like some stinky yellow piss. And so I cranked my head to the side and it was a it was a curtain shower yes so i turned towards the tile i start projectile vomiting all over the tile i'm talking like all the liquor i drank that night everything and now there wasn't food it was just like that liquor throw up and it's just like so much liquid yes so he tries to get out of the shower because I start throwing up, right?

But he trips. His big toe catches like the edge of the bathtub, you know? Oh, no. So he trips and he rips the whole curtain off the wall, like off the thing. Trips over, like falls out of the bathtub. I'm talking like falls hard. And then when I turn my head to be like, oh my God, are you okay? I started throwing up again

so like now there's vomit on the wall in the shower out of the shower all over and around his ankles and stuff so obviously after that we never talked again we never had sex again that was the end all be all and there's even another angle

to this story that's even another thing he had this thing he had this roommate he had this roommate who was also cute but i could tell that the roommate wanted to like smear my blood on the walls every time i walked in that house because like i knew that the roommate wanted him like wanted the roommate you know what i'm saying yes i don't know if they were like i don't know what their deal was because this was very just sex like i didn't care about this guy like they were just he just was really in my arousal template, really shivering my timbers. And that's, you know what I'm saying?

And so, but this guy would always just stare daggers into me and I'd be walking upstairs. And I would kind of be like, hmm, hmm. You know what I'd walk by? But he was awake when I left that night. He was awake and he was on that couch at three in the fucking morning. And I know that he knew what happened after like i know either he told him or he heard because i mean there was falling there was barfing there was noise it was loud and he got like i didn't have like a cool ending

in that story and that probably made that gay happy and that's always made me mad i mean that is probably just a party story that this person tells all the time. I wonder if they know it's me in retrospect. Like, do you ever, like, do you think that they were like, oh my God, that guy that threw up all over you? Like, that was a young JVN. I mean, maybe. I once peed on a man's floor because I was so drunk

and we, like, kind of stayed in touch. So he definitely remembers me and knows who I am and I know it's a story he tells his friends um so honestly I do think it's you but that's legendary and iconic that they have that you gave them that gift will you tell me you're peeing on the floor story has this podcast podcast heard that before? This I don't know. Mars, have I told it before? Yes, because I had him on. But I can tell you the Cliff Notes version.

So I met him at a dance party at the Apple store where Diplo was DJing, which is just a much mouthful. Yeah, what? So I meet him. We exchange numbers. He invites me to his party in brooklyn i go and i he seemed a little gay which is honestly fine but whatever and i drink like a whole bottle of vodka and he's talking to me and i'm like but you're gay just like in the most aggressive way for just bad so then um i was climbing down this ladder and down the stairs to leave with my

friend shallon and i tripped down the stairs tumble down the stairs passed out and then they couldn't wake me up so they wheeled me to the living room let me sleep on the floor of the living room i woke up and i was like I definitely peed on this man's floor. I don't, oh no, I'm like wet. One of my contacts had come out. I was wearing blue contacts at the time. One I was brown, one I was blue. Tracks in my hair were coming out.

And then I like leave. I just leave. And I'm like in the streets of Brooklyn. My ankle is swollen. I take a cab home. My roommate at the time was like oh no and then i we truly never spoke again he was like be well and i was like okay but then we like reconnected on twitter and then i had him on the podcast and he was like yeah you just were uh just were a little, you were intense. Yeah, truly wild.

Yeah, dating in your early 20s is just a time to be feral and insane. So insane. Yeah, that's even better than I thought. I was saying so insane just thinking about my own 20s, not your story. But that story is iconic, beautiful. Thank you for bringing me in, for holding me closer through that story.

Thank you, yes. I needed it. I needed a win. And that story was a win for me. What is like another terrible dating story? Where maybe it's the other person

who's the problem. Okay, here's one. This is why you have to be careful of Raya. So I met this guy on Raya who is like, again, gorgeous, giving muscles, giving gorgiosity. This was... This is 2018 freshly post-queer eye.

Like, freshly post-queer eye. Like, freshly post-queer eye. So, just everyone is excited. Yeah, everyone's excited. And I meet this guy and he's like, like, let's go on a date. And so we go. And then he's like, do you want to go back to your place? And I'm like, sure. And the date was like a lunch date.

It was like a weekend and we, like, got lunch or something. Like, the sun was out. But then it was, like, cute and I had, like, a day drink. And then he's like, do you want to come? And so we're, so we, and it was right. or something like the sun was out but then it was like cute and i'd had like a day drink and then he's like do you want to come it's a word so we get in and it was right like the leaven was good the body was on fire it was giving girthy i was feeling really nice so i was feeling like really nice and i was like oh this could be someone because like you know like so you just like have those first dates and like there's just like amazing chemistry and i was just like this guy's like so hot. Then we're sitting on the couch

with his cum inside me and there's this pounding at my door. And I'm like, this, he's got an ex or something. Like what, like who is this crazy person at the door? Who's the one crazier person than someone's ex that you would never want pounding on your door on a first date. It was the one person, even more than an ex, that would be a bigger red flag pounding on your door on the first date. Their mother. Yes! Exactly! His mother!

With two fucking dogs. And she's like, What? You fucking left me to go fuck someone with these two fucking dogs. Take these fucking dogs. I'm not going to watch your fucking dogs. And that's all I can hear. The door doesn't even open yet.

What the fuck? She followed him? I don't know if the location was on his phone, if there was a following. I don't know how the fuck. I don't know if she was waiting out. I don't fucking know. So then he goes to the door, opens the door. She's standing there.

They're screaming at each other. She doesn't like animal abuse the dogs, throw them inside. But she like aggressively gives the leashes to him and is like, take your fucking dogs. And she leaves. And then he's like, that was my mom. You know, I just moved back here. Like, I'm living with her. And I'm like, I realized later that they were living together a lot longer than just recently.

He was a mess. So I tried to date him for a couple months because, like I said, the dick was so good, I was confused. I tried. It was not. It was not. That was, was like a really good way to just like but but I even tried more after that date like it wasn't immediate like it took me a minute of like that's how good it was um but yeah so yeah that and so then we and then I was like well that's cool and then he was like well can I get a ride home like so I didn't like give him a

ride home with these dogs. Because I guess the mom took the car or something. I don't even know. That's so funny that you continue to try to date this person. Because honestly, I identify with that. I'd be like, I can make this work. I've met mom. You know, mom's a little tough.

You know, she'll be around. This can't get any worse than this. Maybe I'll get along with mom. Maybe this will be good. Yeah. It's intense. I like to, yeah, totally. It was that. Oh my God.

That is so wild. How truly incredible. Can we talk about the emotional intimacy of you knowing that though? Like I'd love that. I was like, who's the one person? Or maybe that's just like way obvious or something. But like, I loved that I was like, who's the one person? And like, or maybe that's just like way obvious or something. But like, I loved that you were just like his mom.

That was really good. I was like, in X, that's terrible. A sibling, who cares? A cousin, whatever. And then it's like, yeah, you don't want to you don't want your mother coming to the hookup. Being like, you just got pounded. Take your dogs. Like, that's got pounded. Take your dogs. Like, that's wild.

Yeah. I'm obsessed. Real quick, we have to take a break. Ooh, we're back. Oh my God. I feel like you're filled with dating stories.

I'm not. As of recent. I feel like you're filled with dating stories. I'm not as of recent. I took a break from dating and now I'm trying to jump back in. But these people on the apps are absolutely just the worst. Don't some hot guys get in your DMs? Not at all. Are they turned on? Listen, my DMs are open. You can DM me.

With your pole dancing? Guys are not trying to like, and girls are not trying to send you with your pole. What? That makes me mad. If I was straight, I would be in your DMs. I would have been. In fact, if I was straight and you were into like long haired effeminate like non-binary

people or something or even if I was bi and you were into that like I just think this is like a literal travesty you are so hot like even if you weren't funny and everything you are like you're pole dancing alone like the titties the body the face the sultriness

like how you fucking just careen and caress around it i'm actually getting the chills on my triceps just thinking about it and i think i've told you this before i really yes i think i've told you that i like i've been in your dms telling you about how much i love the pole dancing content haven't i yes yeah yes i just think it's like really strong i just think it's like really strong it's like very i know like i'm like do i have covid or am i just attracted to you no no like I'm getting chills on my thighs like no I literally like I have to be I'm getting chills on my thighs thinking about your literal do you see this do you do you see the goosebumps on my thighs right now I do see

the goosebumps oh my goodness it's the saucy saunter i've rocked you it's the saucy saunter like i really like it when you like take them and then you like walk around it like it's like that's like you your body's so good on that fucking thing i get just obsessed and the fact that people are not dming you to be like i want to like i don't know how much of a gay man sexually you are but i like like it when people are just – I don't like it when people are like, hey, how are you? Like, you know, if you like don't lead with a hole pick or whatever, like, show me your hole. Like, I think that's so flattering. I used to be that girl.

Be like, show me that dick. Show me what you're working with. Be like, show me that dick. Show me what you're working with. But now I'm like, I've moved into a different era where I'm in my relationship era. Where I'm like, let me get to know you first and see if I actually like you before I fuck you. So I don't make up shit about how much I like you. But it can be torsos.

It can be dicks. It's just like the flirt. I like it when people are like forward flirtily in DMs. I think that's like sweet and it's like it's like validating or something i mean it does make me feel good when someone is like you you're hot and i get that so far and few but the people on tinder they've been uh dming me uh or not dming me they've been messaging me but like i keep having these messages that go to nowhere. Like I talked to this one guy about Beyonce, back and forth about Beyonce.

What? And that's it. And I was like, okay. Wow, Nicole. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a goddamn fucking minute. Because I'm on your profile right now. Okay, I'm on your profile right now. Okay?

I'm on your Instagram right now. And I think I know why people aren't trying to set, like, I had to just scroll down. Like, I nearly just sprained my thumbs. Okay, well, I will say that your one pin thing on your special, you are giving me, like, a little midriff, which is a relief. It's like you're giving me a little bit of midriff. But I got to scroll down so far. Let's see. A little bit of midriff.

But I got to scroll down so far. Let's see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Eleven lines to get to our first bathing suit pic. I don't know if I'm, like, sexualizing you to our core. Maybe we should edit it out. But I'm just saying, eleven lines. And I don't even know when the last time we, did you, like, is the, was there an ankle injury or something?

Yeah. And, like, 17th, like, is the, was there an ankle injury or something? Yeah. And, like, 17th, like, I even, July 17th is the last. Damn! Come on. This is so good. We were just, like, upside down in the skims and stuff. Like, yes, queen. I haven't, double tapping this.

I just, I just think you would be getting more flirty kins if we like yeah like this like kitty and vibe by nicole byer yes please double tapping that i just think we need a little bit more swimsuit pics a little more body audio a little bit more pole dancing era that this era like this era for me is just like i love i love this era and this is like a subtle like quiet luxury with a paltrow sexy you know what i. And this is like a subtle, like quiet luxury. What a paltrow sexy. You know what I'm saying? It's not all like, it's quiet luxury, like label list. You know what I'm saying?

Quiet luxury. Yeah. Cause it's like, it's not all like everything. You know, it's just like, it's like, ooh, like this outfit. How dare you make this into one video? This is not one video. This was two. You guys, if you go back to her Instagram on the 4th of July, she has this incredible pole dancing video,

but you have an outfit change in the middle that is really two videos. Do you want me to start consulting on your social? Yes. I will if you want. You don't have to say it right now. No, yes, absolutely. Consult on my Instagram, please. Or was this the same day, but then you just put on shoes?

It's the same day. Just an outfit change. And I just put on some shoes and took off some pants and... Yeah, that was like, you could have got like four reels out of that. Fuck. I wish I was there. It's okay. I just think, oh my God, this texture I'm obsessed with.

I'm really glad that I'm really analyzing the IG now. I think that my algorithm had like fucked me right off because okay we're really it's gonna show me you first from now on i was like never making that mistake again okay wow uh you guys if you're listening to this you guys need to start dming nicole more like more like sultry, slutty vibe. Yes. And not even dicks or vaginas, just like torso, like even like subtle, quiet, luxury, like flirty. Yes. Show me a face. Show me a bicep.

I'll take a leg. What about an armpit? I love like a pit and like chest hair. You draw the line there. Once I get to know someone. No, once I get to know someone, I like to snuggle in a little armpit. Yes.

Once I like someone's scent, I just like want to be all up in there. Wait, so what's your, so, so, what's, so tell me more about the Tinder. What's going on with your date? So what's happening? So the Tinder is not going great. I keep having conversations that go to nowhere.

I talked to this man for three days about Beyonce. And then I just didn't answer his last question. And he never responded again. Another guy was just like, how are you? And I was like, I'm great. I did X, Y, and Z this weekend. What did you do? And then he was like, oh, you know, just like clean my house a little. And then I didn't answer because I was like, do you want

to ask me out? Like, do you want to, I just feel like people are trying to get to know me on the app. And I think that's an insane thing. You can't get to know someone on the app. Just like, let's go out and let's see what happens. We don't know each other anything one day and we can be out or we can go on one date, two date date four date and maybe something nice happens i don't i don't align with that nicole i think that's like the furthest apart we've been on anything that we talked about really yeah i do need like a little like when i was dating and like yeah i need like a little like not for weeks but like but yeah i need like a little tickling of the taint conversationally to even know if i want to leave my house but you don't smoke weed huh i don't

smoke weed specifically because uh i get the munchies very very badly and it is very hard for me to control and i'm trying to be a little bit more healthier. And I just crave garbage. I feel you. And the Postmates brings me the things. So I have curtailed it. I think for stoners, though, it's like if you're going to leave the house, I'm not doing that just fucking willy-nilly because we match like i need to know that like the that

the day is gonna like but i mean beyonce conversations to nowhere and like like like i don't need to like know what you like for breakfast on the app but like i need to know that we can have like a cute repertoire a little back and forth if you will. So maybe just like a little bit more chatting. Like, because, yeah. I guess maybe, but at that point, the whole Beyonce conversation had been going on for like a week and a half. And I was like, a week and a half. Well, that's kind of a flag.

Like, who was talking to you about Beyonce for 10 days? I mean, he was a real cutie, but I don't know what his deal was. It's the second time where you said you thought someone was a little gay. He might be a little gay. Yes. Maybe that's what it is.

Now, not to go on such a hard right, but did you do your own makeup today? Like, let's tell everyone about how- No, I didn't. The snatch on your fucking goddamn face today is so pretty. Thank you. My makeup artist, Jen Fergozzo.

She is truly incredible. She's been my artist for a while. I did the talk today. So if you want to see more pole dancing, I teach them how to do a fireman spin on the talk. But then I got home and I was like, ah, shit. I taught them the wrong way how to do it. But you know what?

Whatever. A couple of them got around the pole, so it's good. And gymnastics, when you, like, do something, like, when it's, like, you know, called the, like, the, you know, like, the, like, the biles. Or, like, that could be the buyer. Like, that's, like, the buyer fire spin. It could be the buyer. Yes. Incorrect fireman, the buyer.

Wait, how did you get into gymnastics? What? What's the thing when what? I'm not trying to tell you what questions we're going to talk about on your podcast. I'm a dumb bitch from hell. So just punch me in the face. But on your Instagram, what's that cool move when you reverse grab the pole? Like when you kind of go backwards and you catch it like kind of going backwards, you know?

It's literally called a reverse grab. I love, that was a cool move. Thank you. It took me a very long time to trust my arm because you have to be comfortable with a one arm spin for just a millisecond. But like that trust is very scary. Trusting now, you did it.

Yes. Wait, how did you get into gymnastics? Tell me about that. Oh, my God. I could talk about it. Well, I'm going to be here until like 10 o'clock tonight. You'll be like, I have to go. And I'm like, no, because then the Magnificent Seven in 1996.

No, so. Yeah, it's like we're going way back, girl. I just always loved it. I fell in love with gymnastics, like, when I was, like, four or five, like, just from watching it on TV. Like, Barcelona, 1992 games, Shannon Miller, Kim Zameskal changed my life. I was just like, oh, my God, these girls. Betty Okino, Dominique Dawes. She wasn't in – actually, Dominique Dawes was in 92. In fact, Dominique Dawes was the first American

gymnast to medal in three consecutive Olympics. She got team bronze in 92. She got team gold and individual floor bronze in 96. And then in 2000, she won team bronze, but she would not get that medal in 2010 when they realized that two of the Chinese gymnasts were like 12. And so then they stripped them of those medals and then it got our fourth place up to third place. Wow. Maybe they were 13. Yeah. Yeah.

Dominique. So that's how Dominique snuck in there to get her third medal. But, you know, kind of anticlimactic getting it 10 years later. But yeah. So I mean, just grew up loving it. Like I'd watch like Worlds every year. Like was always like like back when you would have to like tape things. Like I just would like be looking on the TV guy channel like because I never knew what something would be on. And it was like pre-internet. I just like, Worlds every year. Like, it was always, like, back when you would have to, like, tape things. Like, I just would, like, be looking on the TV Guide channel, like, because I never knew what something would be on.

And it was, like, pre-internet. I just, like, loved gymnastics so much. And then in high school on a dare in, like, eighth grade, I tried out for cheerleading. And then I made it. But I was not good at it because I couldn't tumble and I couldn't do any of the tricks. And I got made fun of so much. I was, like, maybe if I got, like, able to do stuff to do stuff, like then people would think I was like more cool or something. So then I just like worked really hard to learn to just – because also like at the time I got like kind of social capital for the first time because like the girls were like nice to me.

And like I got bullied so much that then all of a sudden once I made cheer, like the girls kind of stood up for me and like made people be kind of nicer to me or something so but then like I could only try out for football soccer because I couldn't do a round off back handspring but if you could do a round of my cancer you could try out for basketball and I was like I want that good 365 year around protection socially um so I worked really hard like my freshman year of high school to get like a round off back handspring which is just like you want a round off is of course it's a cartwheel where you put your two legs together thank you Nicole Miss Byer you got it so yeah but I was I used to like cry myself to sleep like I remember like I was like I'll never get this like I was so far away from being able to do it and I remember my gymnastics coach in junior high said to me or like my cheer coach that taught me how to do a roundabout can spring her name was debbie and she

was like i've never seen someone with less natural ability learn how to tumble you get over on sheer determination and she was so right um because i'm pretty tall and i don't really have the body type to be like a great gymnast um and so yeah yeah, it was like kind of a hard slog. I was like a huge mental block, like really terrified of going backwards. Like, I'm not kidding you, like really, really scared. And I actually wrote like a whole chapter about that in my first book and over the top, like talking about like my journey in gymnastics. But so then I cheered, you know, through college, like through my freshman year of college for one semester

because I got kicked off the squad and flunked out of college because I got a 1.7 GPA. So but then after 17, I didn't really ever do gymnastics again. And then I think every former cheerleader does this thing where like once a year when you're like drunk in public, you try to do like a roundup back handspring or a standing back handspring. It's like a party trick. And I did do that up until like I realized that like, oh, if I like break my wrist, I can't do hair. So I better stop.

Like I don't want to like do that and like hurt myself. Because like who's going to like take care of my cats? And then when Queer Eye started and I started doing stand up like there was this one night in Portland where I was like I can afford to break my wrist and I was like

on stage and I was like do you guys want to see me do my annual backflip and they were like the whole auditorium was like no and then I was like

because they thought that I was going to hurt myself or something and then I was like well I'm going to gag these hoes right now and show them that I'm not kidding and so I did it and then after that that I was going to hurt myself or something. And then I was like, well, I'm going to gag these hoes right now and show them that I'm not kidding. And so I did it.

And then after that show, I was like, oh, my God. Like, you have a whole audience. Like, what are they going to do? Just, like, get up and leave because you do gymnastics? Like, you should start, like, incorporating this into your routine. And so then I, like, started really seriously, like, going back to, like, adult tumbling and, like, really seriously doing it again.

And then I did work it into, like, my first two tours tours which i don't do gymnastics before my show for fun and slutty because i needed a break because my body was gonna break in half from like traveling so much and doing gymnastics at 10 o'clock at night at 36 years old um but i'm gonna bring it back for my tour next year which like you heard it here first i'm doing this like i'm gonna do this like other tour next year and i'm gonna like base it from like a few cities and like, a couple nights in that city, you know? So, like, I don't. It's, like, it's, like, not as. So, it doesn't hurt so bad.

So, I'm going to bring it back. And then I'm only. And then moving forward, I'm only going to do gymnastics in my tour on Olympic years. Because you can't just be doing gymnastics all the time. That's going to be my new shtick. I mean. That's going to be my new thing. That's incredible.

I love that. I think I want to take an adult tumbling class and i'm a little nervous about it but i think it would be really fun i can still i i do my annual cartwheel i yes do you know like what like the tumble track is yeah it's a what it's like a trampoline but it's not so bouncy right yeah there's like it's like it's like an air track kind of and then there is like long tramp right? Yeah, there's, like, it's, like, an air track, kind of. And then there is, like, long trampolines. And then there's, like, the rod floor.

But the place where I shot that Uber Eats commercial with Simone Biles, not to, like, name drop it, it's true. It's in Culver City. How far away are you from that? I am a little far from Culver City. Because they do have adult tumbling classes there, like, twice a week. And they're really nice. And it's, like, a week and they're really nice and it's like a really nice place. Like they have like really good equipment and like. What's it called?

I'm actually going to text you after this. But if you look up like gymnastics place in Culver City you'll find it because it's like the only one. Another place you could hit up and I've tumbled with them before. It's really fucking fun and I bet they would totally have you is the UCLA gymnastics team. Like and like me and

amanda seals went and did gymnastics with them like last year and it was so fun i bet they would totally give you like a gorgeous beginner like fucking like like skills class honey like let's but i mean you could 100 get around up at can spring you could get a tuck you could get front stuff for sure i would love to i because i took gymnastics for a while and i talk about this in my book and i quit because one of the girls in class called me fat and i was like well i guess that's a bad thing and i guess i don't come back to gymnastics anymore and now i feel like pole dancing is my adult gymnastics where i'm like i feel good i'm moving my body i am you know contorting and being upside down and doing all that stuff but i would love to just get back into gymnastics gymnastics and be like no no

just because you're fat doesn't mean you can't do stuff you just do it a little differently or whatever it's also like kind of shocking how much it's not that i mean it is it's like the technique is still the technique you know like you gotta put your arms up and you gotta like wait till you get like you know it's like you can fucking do it and like you can 100 do it have you ever seen that like really amazing diver boy like that diver guy on instagram yes like he is the most incredible athlete i love his work anytime my explore page shows me him i'm like i'm double tapping excited yes i love his work because when a bigger body can do something like that i'm, you don't understand how much stronger they are than a smaller person who can do that. Hell yes.

Because you're carrying extra weight and you're just like, your core is there. Like, it's, I'm just about, I'm about health at every size. I'm also about, if you don't want to be healthy, you don't got to be. Just, if you're happy, you're happy. And also, when you said that, like, the way that we're like aligned, I'm like scared. But it was like core. Like what do these hoes even know about fucking core? Okay.

Core strength. Core strength. You, core strength, honey. These fucking people. Okay. I bet our core is like my, fuck your core. You know what I mean? These hoes could never.

I've had it. Whenever people comment on my poll and they hoes could never. I'm out of it. Whenever people comment on my pole and they're like, strong pole. I'm like, yeah, but also strong fat lady climbing up it. I mean, the pole is doing the least impressive thing. I hate comments so much. I hate comments so much. Okay, we have to take one more break. One more break.

Not to go back to your glam today, but also the goddess braids are really giving it to me. Like, I love these goddess braids so much. Like, goddess braids are just, like, everything. I love them. I love them. I will say that, like, if I was gonna get resoundingly canceled on Instagram, like, if there was, like, one thing that, like, my inner, like, white girl just wants so bad, but, like, I'm just not fucking doing it, It's goddess braids. Like every time I see like a gorgeous set of goddess braids, like in my meet and greets, like anytime I see a goddess braid, I'm like, oh!

Like I just, everything about like the waves, like the unbraided ends that are wavy, but then the braided mid lengths. It just like the, it's touching on like everything that was right about the 90s, like from Moesha, but then just like modern but it's like and it's like i would kill oh wait actually i'm not gonna say that i love brandy so

much um but yeah like i just love her and i really love goddess braids and i what are you doing down there, girl? Get up here. Listen, listen, listen, listen. I love them. They're very versatile and they're nice and they're good in the water. Like they're better than just regular box braids for me. Also, human hair, honey. I can flat iron them. I can curl them.

I can do everything. Yeah, I really, like I'd seen goddess braids, but I didn't know the terminology for goddess braids until the New Orleans season of Queer Eye. And then I got to work with this girl on Instagram whose name is Nola Braider, and I'm so fucking obsessed with her. Like, I follow the shit out of her.

Like, the hair that she does in New Orleans is, like, so next level. Like, her salon and, like, the skill level to slay like they're gorgeous and then ever since then I've just been like goddess braids like love a goddess but I also just want to say no to white people see me not doing it see me loving and like not do like so just like don't fucking do it you guys like, don't be a stupid fucking nightmare. Okay, just don't do it. But yeah, goddess of rhythm, just like obsessed.

So pretty. How did you get into hair? Kind of similar as gymnastics. Like I was minding my own business watching the 1992 Olympics. And I was like, these slayed ponies with like glitter in their hair. And like these tight, tight buns with all these barrettes and these little like cylindrical fringes, like just loving the hair. I also, ashamedly,

was such a beauty pageant queen, mostly because my mom would make like score sheets and we would like not like score, but I always just, we were trying to predict like what, or what states and what countries would make it to the next round, you know? So that was,

and I only did that based off of how much I liked their hair or not, because I was like four, you know? Mm-hmm, I get it. So that was, and I only did that based off of how much I liked their hair or not. Because I was, like, four, you know? Mm-hmm. I get it. So that was kind of that. It was, like, pageants and then, like, but also, like, gymnastics and figure skating. Like, I loved their hair.

And I've always just, I always loved hair. And I was always, like, trying to figure out, like, how to style it, how it works. Like, why does it make people feel good? And I think it also taught me really early that, like, it was something that I think for queer people, we are, like, like, you're trying to, like, survive. So you're trying to, like, connect with people because, like, you know, you need to connect with people in order to, like, survive. You need to connect with people in order to like survive. And I think that you're often beauty and talking about beauty is something that like the world shows you early that like there could be a place for you there. And so I think that that was like part of it. And then also I think part of it was that there was like this genuine interest and like thirst for like understanding it and expressing myself through hair.

So, yeah, I think that was kind of how i got into it and then i went to hair school and remember like the week before i started hair school i was like what if i hate it like what if i only think that i like it because i'm like a fucking gigantic homosexual like what if i hate it but then after the first night like when i got there that first day like saw our kit like like it was like the first time you ever saw like a beautiful man that was into you or something like uh-huh you were like oh my god I love this more than anything like I can't believe I'm about to get to do this right now and like I just like the brushes we also had like makeup the wax pot or combs my scissors like everything I was like this is like I can't wait to learn this

shit and I've never fallen out of love with it. So I'm really lucky. I love that. I feel like your career job should be something you love. Like, and there's no shame if you want to work at McDonald's because you love flipping burgers. Like, I think you should be able to make a living doing that and, like, have a great time and live your life. Absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, I love that you love hair. And it shows. And, like, when you talk about hair and I, like, I've seen videos of you love hair and it and it shows and like when you talk about hair and I like I've seen videos of you cutting hair and it just it just seems like you take great care and it makes you

feel good making someone else feel good it does I also love like fixing something like with hair like when there's I love like the immediate gratification of especially like cutting or styling like when there's like a thing and you like, why is that laying like that? And then, like, figuring out, like, how to fix it. And then you're, like, oh, like, feels really good. But wait, sidebar. My husband and I have been fighting about something. Well, we've been fighting about McDonald's burgers. And you brought that up.

Like, he's British, so he doesn't understand, like, why McDonald's burgers, like, settle my stomach so much. But, like, if my stomach hurts, you know, have you ever heard of, like, brat, you know, like, bananas, like. Yeah, bananas, raisins. Not raisins. Can't be raisins. Rice.

Bananas, rice, applesauce, toast, or whatever. I was like, raisins? You know, raisins settle your stomach. You'd be, like, shitting fire with, like, just a little. But, like, McDonald's burgers, for some reason, I was just curious if this was your experience or like if anyone else like resonates with this. If my stomach hurts and like if I'm feeling weird, like McDonald's burgers and also like a Mexican pizza from Taco Bell really settles my stomach. That is wild. I truly do not identify with that. Nocdonald's will will make me get

the grumbles a little bit so we'll taco bell even though i love taco bell have you been to the taco bell cantina in in vegas i've been to the one in new york the one in new york where you get like margaritas and stuff yes we get like a mountain do a rita yeah it was yeah i i really i unfortunately got an uber eats taco bell delivery that's like 10 to 25 minutes away from my house and it's not been great but i talk about i think it's just because i've been eating it for so long i think that i think my stomach just recognizes it i think that must be what my truth is because it's like oh this like yeah i know that i know this i know exactly what this is but let's double back i mean too we can process oh i just want to double back to simone biles what was it

like meeting her i am sure people have asked you this a thousand times but she is so incredible and i think was it just the world the world championship that just happened and i'm just watching her fly through the air in this insane way and i'm like like, is she nice? Is she humble? Oh, yeah. So nice. So humble. I'm so embarrassed. I was, I was,

I was so embarrassing. I was so embarrassing. I was such a fangirl. It was, I'm still, I actually just shudder thinking about the day that we spent together because I was so embarrassing. Like I, this was like September of of 2020 it was actually the first production that

i did like in the covid era like when there was like zones and it was like the first time that i'd like gone back to work and so i just had been like kind of shut in the house for a long time and poor simone was like not the best person for me to be like unleashed upon for my first time out of the house um i was really wanting to know who she thought was going to make the 2020 olympic team so i would say for her it probably felt like a day of interrogation like i was like what if this happens what about this person what about these scores what about their consistency what about and she like and her and her coach was with her cecilia andy who i love um i remember watching her the 1996 olympics for france and she was so sweet and she kind of just kept stepping in whenever i was like being too much with simona she's like oh my god i'll talk to you about your relentless thirst for

knowledge with gymnastics um so ceciliacile was, like, really good. But Simone was so sweet, so nice. She was such a good sport. Like, she was so patient with me. She was, like, really nice. There was one clip that we had to shoot where we both had to, like, she had to hold the splits on the balance beam

for, like, the longest time. And she was just, like, sitting there in the splits, like, no complaining. i was on a harness and i had to i had to jump up and because i can do the splits and i did all my own stunts for that whole commercial like i'm the one doing that gymnastics i'm the one hanging from the bar like i did which also was partly of like they had a stunt double for me to do that like tumbling pass and i was, ain't no fucking glued on beard. Ain't no way. Simone's right here.

Ain't no way. I've been working my whole fucking life to do this right now. And in fact, they were like, can you do round off two back handsprings to a mark? Because they needed me to do it and like land right next to Simone. And I was like, yeah, I do that all the time. Like it's always in my training. I do gymnastics to a specific point, which is not a total lie because when you're learning to do a new skill, you have to like be able to like do it.

Like, you know, like the pit, like the foam pit, like you like you'll do it into the pit. So you will have to mark like where you're around off or where you're back handspring in so that you can like pound off the floor, but then land into the pit, you know? And land in the pit. Yeah. It's like, I know how to mark. So that's called like markings. Like I was like like so in my head when they asked me if i could do that i was like yeah of course i can do it to a fucking point i'm not some sort of fucking

brand new idiot of course i can't i'm fucking gymnast um but then in my head i was like girl that's just like when you're gonna learn a new skill in the pit like you've marked something lots of times so i just was like okay don't watch this first one simone and then i also whispered to her i was like simone if it seems like I'm careening off course and tumbling crooked like towards you like absolutely dive like get out of the fucking way like I'm pretty sure I can go on a straight line

but like and she was like okay um but I did it like literally six or seven times like we reshot that like so when I'm sweating if you go back and look and I'm like I'm just drenched in sweat when she's like is that my leotard I'm like I'm real I'm like I'm like uh-huh and I'm just like pouring because it's September in Culver City and the makeup artist couldn't be touching me up every time this was COVID so I'm just like so sweaty then we were like hanging

upside down on a bar together for like three hours like the longest time and then holding these splits and I'm like harnessed in yeah it was like such a crazy experience like doing that with her and also there was like a photo shoot that we did where we had to like sit on this balance beam together and I was like man why do I have to sit in a balance beam with a leotard next to Simone Biles in a leotard like just there is no amount of there's no amount of like sitting up more or like arching my back more like while holding like a meatball. Yeah but your body is beautiful and bodies are different. I get that it is and I'm a body positive girl and I'm a healthy size girl as well but I'm just saying to anyone out there if you want to go fucking sit in a

goddamn leotard next to Simone Biles in front of like 50 fucking people on a balance beam, it's just not the most like I'm I just like I deserve like an actress thing for that or something like that, like the way that I feel comfortable and stuff. And I'm like, oh, just like the best, most outstanding athlete of literally all time. Don't worry also i'm pretty like body neutral but if i was sitting in a leotard next to simone biles i would be like all of the choices i have ever made in my life are now flashing before my eyes because it's like i could have been a gymnast i could have had a peak body in physical superiority and i said no thank you they're all like giving me like a piece of pizza to like hold, you know, like as I'm eating it on the balance. It's the most like holding a gigantic meatball on a fork. Like it was like such an odd.

It was like all like it really was like that. It was like such a surreal experience. But I had so much fun getting to talk to her about gymnastics i do think i impressed her with my encyclopedic knowledge of like you team usa like gymnastics and just like olympic stuff and world stuff like world gymnastics history stuff and like skill names and and things like that but i had so much fun with her and i think they would have to like double her price to get her to come back for like a round two because i was so annoyed i really was like i wasn't even on 12 i was on like infinity i mean i'm sure she found it endearing no i think she like needed a good break i think she needed like two days off after that like no she could like she would be she'd be like okay i'm gonna go to my trailer

like she didn't have to like i was like she needed to escape because I was like. That's so funny. And on her way to her trailer, you're like, I have one more thing. What do you think about? Yes. Jonathan, I have a question. We've come close to the end. What is some advice that you would give the single people out there? the single people out there?

I would say that, you know how we always say that like each person is so unique and like individually, you know, we're all so unique, like everyone's different. Well, one thing I feel like we don't talk about that much is that like so are relationships.

Like everyone's relationship is as unique as there are people in the world. And obviously we ask for advice from our friends and like trusted people and stuff. But I think, especially like in the salon and just like salon and the media on Instagram, TikTok, wherever, like there's a lot of relationship advice. Like fuck after this long, you know, fuck right away.

Like don't, you know, there's a lot of advice around sex, emotions, what type of, like there's a lot of advice around sex emotions what type of like there's a lot of advice and I think that so many times that advice while it's well intentioned it was really based off of that person's experience or that person's observation which is not your experience or necessarily your observation so I think like I don't think we give ourselves enough leeway in terms of like even vetting potential partners. Because if a friend is like, oop, that's this or that, or if we see this thing on Instagram, you're like, you know, like, in Cosmo, it'd be like 37 ways to, like, make sure you get a man or whatever, which is, like, really toxic in the 90s. I think that when we, like, are so aware of how much advice there is, like you end up missing out

on like maybe your own intuition or like your own feeling. And so just remember like relationships are unique as you are. I really like that. I think that is really insightful. Also, I had a conversation with a friend last night where we were talking about a mutual friend

and they were like, oh, I think I'm going to stop seeing this person because they started doing something, and I don't love that thing. They started taking this class, and I'm not feeling it. And I was like, and I had seen this on Instagram,

so I shared it with them, and I know Instagram has a ton of things, but it was like, don't let the ick stop you from having a relationship with somebody. You're not going to like a hundred things about somebody, but if you like ten things and don't like two, that's a pretty good batting average because not everything is going to be a hundred percent. So don't let this like one thing scare you out of a relationship.

Cause I think, um, uh, on top of not realizing that every single relationship you're going to be in is different. I think we all think that this person's going to be the end all be all and be this person who gives you a hundred percent of what you need and like you were saying earlier you want to shit with the door open and mark right your your husband's name is mark yeah mark can't give that to you he because he can't be there and give you the privacy that you need to shit with the door open so like that is something that like you deal with and that's and it's okay you just go man i wish one day i could shit with the door and you can when he leaves and then when he comes back you go back to not i just i love is beautiful and i can't wait till i have love um i think i'm ready for it i think i don't know i think you are too you're like stunningly beautiful you are so fucking successful and you have so much to give honey i went i just you know what i think

though i'm actually not gonna say that because i'm about to give you advice and i don't think like i just i just i just want him or because you only date men right or do you date um do you only date men, right? Or do you date? Do you only date men? I date men mostly. But the door is open for non-binary trans women because I think it's really strange to say, I close the door on this, where you never know what could happen. You could meet someone that you never thought you would be attracted to

and you're gonna say no to something maybe beautiful because you live in this weird binary where like you have to be with the opposite sex or the same race as you or same ideology as you whatever i i fully but it's not like i go out looking do you know what i mean i usually look for men because that's usually what I'm attracted to. But I have been attracted to many different types of people. Yes. Which I guess you could say I'm pansexual, but I do not identify as that. I identify as Nicole because I think saying I'm straight is actually sick.

I think anyone who identifies as straight is a fucking weirdo. And it's embarrassing. You're just straight you don't like no kind of flavor so yeah i'm out i'm just out here looking for love yeah i i just was gonna strike me as someone who can be can be a caretaker like when we like because I mean when did we meet like we did Gay of Thrones in like 2000 and like yeah

14 or 15 or something like yeah I feel like I've known you for a long time I feel like you're so sweet I feel like you're really caring with people around you it's a long time I feel like you're just very caring and sweet and you're also I think you're very loyal like you're really caring with people around you. It's a long time. I feel like you're just very caring and sweet. And you're also, I think you're very loyal. Like you really are so, like you've had all the same friends for like a long time.

So I just want you to have a partner that is as caring and like can like take care of you as good as you can take care of them. I like that. I would love that too. Yeah, that's all. Okay. Well, Jonathan, thank you so much for being here. Do you have anything that you want to promote? Getting Curious, my podcast out every Wednesday.

And we actually just added two new shows to our universe, which is Pretty Curious, which is our beauty-based podcast. That's every other Monday. And Curious, which is our beauty-based podcast. That's every other Monday. And then Curious Now is my news-based podcast, which is the first bit is like headlines that even straight people are talking about. And then that's like my take on the main headlines.

And then like the second bit is like the gay agenda, which is like the stories that I want people to be talking about. And then it's like my take on like on your radar with Britney Spears and that's like the stories I want to be on your radar um and then we go into like a much shorter interview our first few I'm curious now like I was having trouble doing like I was talking for way too long which oops uh but the goal is to get like curious now I'm pretty curious more like 40 minutes and then our getting curious is like you know a little more than an hour so that's always happening and jvn hair uh we love all the jvn hair things where it's for and you can follow us on jvn hair dot or jvn hair on instagram and tiktok and yeah no i think that's

all i'm just like a hot slut on these you know hot slutty times trying to keep my head on my shoulders really i love that. Okay. Ooh, I ask all my guests this. I've missed it a couple times, but I try to remember. Would you date me? Absolutely. Yes!

Especially if we could have, like, a sexually open relationship so that, like, we could both still, like, have sex with people. But I would date you with, like, just in fucking. And I think we could do, like, some heavy petting and like sitting next to each other I'll take it maybe even some like group stuff I don't know like maybe we'll get some group stuff a little orangey

yes a little freaky yes thank you so much for being here if you like this episode of Why Won't You Date Me, you can like it, you can rate it, you can subscribe, give me like five stars. And if you write to whywontyoudatemepodcast

at gmail.com with something hitting on me, something nasty, I will read it. So this person said, first things first, I'm gonna slather you up with my boy butter and slide you across my mom's dining room table. Then I'm gonna slide you into the bedroom because I'm real good at sex. I pull out my monster's ink scream draining machine. I don't know what that is. And attach it to your dirty whore mouth. I eat your pussy so good that you scream into my machine and power the whole city. I solve the climate crisis and

you come real hard. Lots of love. Okay. Bye-bye. Why Won't You Date Me with Nicole Byer is produced by me, Mars. It's executive produced by Adam Sachs, Nick Liao, and Jeff Ross at Team Coco. With talent bookings by Paula Davis, Gina Batista and Maddie Ogden. Got a question, crazy dating story or a dirty message for Nicole? Write it to WhyWon'tYouDateMePodcast at gmail.com for a chance to have it featured on a future show. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week with a brand new episode.

This has been a Team Coco production. episode. Bye-bye. This has been a Team Coco production.