Witnessed: Devil in the Ditch - Friendly Fire | 2. "An Incident Occurred"

Episode Date: June 13, 2022

Lori has two days to plan a funeral for John John. The town anxiously awaits a press conference that will explain how Marty ended up shooting his own partner. But the event leaves Lori with more questions than answers. A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and certain to mount and cook it out. It's all posing. There are a lot of drugs in Scott County. Yeah, I mean, it's more or less went from GOFAS, which is what I call math. It's went from that to OBOids or something like that. GoFASD. That's what I call math because you own them. Did you like it? Oh, I loved it. When did Go Fast show up in Scott County? Right about the time I started making it.

From campsite media and Sony music entertainment, this is season two of Witnessed Friendly Fire. La historia y la música de Sony es la presentación. Esta es la semana de la vida de la vida. En el caso de la vida, soy Sean Flynn. a trabajar y bajé tan contento al trastero. A mover una bicicleta a rastrar dos cajas de libros y levantar un hordomicrondas. Ah, para coger una chancla. Ah, vale, vale. ¿A dónde vas? ¿Tú con ese chancla, sí? ¿A dónde vas tru? Llega al mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sorté extraordinario de vacaciones

de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones a un décimo. Lotería a usted recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo sierres mayor de edad. En los días y días después de la acción, John John's death es todo sobre el nubo. Hay tres aspectes en la ciencia en el día de la Resulta de la Cámara, cada vez que haces las más grandes chargers de manufacturación, no tiene que ser más de la parte de la ciencia de la ciencia. Los cuatro personas han sido en la casa de la casa en el día, of manufacturing meth, no one has been charged for the death of Deputy Yancy. The four people who had been at the mobile home that night had all been arrested. Three of them ran into the woods after the shooting. Mark Rechter and Penny Carpenter, who had been cooking meth in the back bedroom, had managed

to step over John John's body and run out the back door. They were half dressed, but hit out in the snowy woods all night. Again, this is not the same mark all those cops were searching for. That manhunt was for a completely different and completely innocent guy named Mark. Ryan Clark, who'd been in the backyard when John John and Marty arrived, said he laid down on a creek most of the night. All three of them, half frozen, were arrested the next day. The fourth person, Nikki Porter, she stayed with John John while he died. She was already in custody that night. Eventually, they'll plead out to lesser charges, but initially they're all facing three counties of manufacturing methamphetamine.

And that's what the news is focused on, because that's all the information they're getting. And that's what the news is focused on because that's all the information they're getting. Deputies found evidence of two small labs in the property, though lab makes them sound much fancier than they are. Among the item seized, charcoal and paint thinner, camp fuel and grill cleaner, empty bottles of acetone, a pill crusher and toilet bowl cleaner, a gallon of bleach, a bottle cap full of phosphorus, and bottle cap full of phosphorous, and 25 boxes of matches. There was one lab in the bedroom, and another in a shed out back.

But none of the four people have been charged with shooting John John, or with anything violent. In fact, the police aren't accusing anyone of shooting John John. The affidavit for the search warrant is written in this bizarrely passive voice that raises more questions than it answers. Here's a lawyer for one of the four arrested talking to a reporter. He says the affidavit states,

that once the officers entered the home and instant occurred, which caused the officer to be shot and killed. And that's kind of unusual wording. An incident occurred. Reporters have been hearing from unnamed sources that Marty fired the shot that killed his partner. They're asking the district attorney general if that's true. General Phillips would neither confirm nor deny the new sentinel story saying again he'll release information Wednesday at a news conference.

He says he wants to focus on the community, and it's grieving. It's not surprising that news coverage is pretty tightly focused on the methangle. If not for this meth lab, the story seems to go. If not for this scourge in the community, a good and decent deputy would still be alive. After the segments on the shooting, the TV stations could segue cleanly into drugstats and what counties are trying to do to clean up the mess. The attention sort of shifted from who did this one discrete thing to a general drugs or bad.

But there's a reason for that, other than news stations not knowing the full story. Drugs were a massive problem and still are. It's mostly opiates now. In 2016, just to pick a year, there were more than 37,000 opioid prescriptions. Oxey-Contin, Vicodin, Perkiset, things like that. Ritten in Scott County. That's a prescription and a half for every person in the county, including all the kids. description and a half for every person in the county, including all the kids. And those are just the prescriptions. It doesn't count the heroin and the fentanyl

that inevitably follow an opioid addiction. Before opioids, it was meth. I mean, every person we talked to had a story. Meth hit, and it was like a tsunami. I think we may have gotten one of the biggest meth and phedamine raids in East Tennessee. You have young teenagers walk up to you and tell you exactly how to cook a batch of meth and never miss a beat. Even Lori ANSI, John John's widow. She saw it every day at the hospital where she worked. Lori still lives in Scott County and the same house she and John John lived in.

She's got two big dogs put the run of the neighborhood and old German shepherd named Maisie and a big golden retriever. His name is Milo. Her house is on a short street with big trees just off the main road that runs north and south through the county. Her face used to be on a billboard on that road. She's a nurse practitioner now, which means she can see her own patients. But in 2003, she was a registered nurse in the emergency room at the hospital in O'Nida. That's the biggest city in the county, population 3752. She was employee of the year once, and that's how she ended up on the billboard. Did people recognize you like in the stores? Oh, yes.

Yeah, which a lot of people, you know, recognize me from the sun. And then I've taken care of a lot of people. Let's come to the ER over the years. You see a lot of drug cases in the year? Yes. We live so close to the Kentucky state one. We see it from both the Kentucky state line and here in the county. Lots of drug overdoses. I mean that was special and I started working ER as a younger person. I had no clue how bad drugs were in this county and every day we would see three or four

overdoses that come into the ER. We see pretty much all of it. That was one of the reasons John John wanted to be a cop in the first place. While Lori was treating overdoses, he wanted to chase down people who were making and selling drugs. John John and Lori both grew up in Scott County.

Lori's childhood home was a few miles down the road, not far from the church where John John is buried, which is also where they got married. She went to college at Lincoln Memorial University about an hour and a half to the east, but otherwise she's never lived anywhere else. Never saw a reason to. As a former Scott County sheriff told me,

there's no shopping mall or red lobster in town, but it's a great place to raise your kids. It's a small town. Most people in this community here pay pretty much the majority of everyone knows everybody. And a lot of family remains here. They stay close with the family atmosphere. My mom and dad was here, my brother's sisters. Laurie met John John or freshman year of high school.

He was a sophomore. Pretty much just right at the beginning of the school year. I just saw him in the cafeteria, just talked to him a little bit then, and then later on, he actually stopped by my house, and just asked if he could call me. I can't remember not ever talking to him from that point on. He was funny.

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Vas a venderte a tus públicos de marcas competidoras en número globales de clientes en 2020-2022. After high school, Lori got her nursing degree. John John went with her, but he wasn't much of a college man. He dropped out, but not before he married Laurie in June 1990. There's this photo from their wedding day. Laurie is wearing silk gloves and a dress with a long, ruffled train. John John's got on a gray tux with tails. He has a thin mustache, and his hair is combed into a subtle mullet, the kind that was actually

in style at the time, and they look really young. Almost like they're dressed up for prom, not their own wedding. John John wanted to go into law enforcement. The only college classes he liked were the criminal justice courses, but there's not a lot of those jobs in Scott County. So John John did what he could for a few years. Washt coal, rode shotgun and a Wells Fargo truck, that sort of thing. Five years after they got married, when

Laurie was pregnant with their first son. John John asked the sheriff if he could volunteer as a deputy. Here's the thing about county sheriffs. They can deputize pretty much anyone. They can give an untrained guy like John John, or help, and out of state interloper like me, the gun and a badge and the power to arrest people, and then send them out on patrol. That doesn't mean they have to pay them. A lot of people will take that job, that authority, for free. It's been that way since the start of the country, local sheriffs deputizing a posse

to help them chase after the bad guys. In the modern world, it's arguably not the best idea, but it wasn't uncommon in Scott County. John John wanted to gig because it was an inside line on a real job, a paying job with the Sheriff's Department. He started doing that on Friday night, Saturday night, he would just volunteer his time. He had a uniform, you know, he carried a gun and all that, but you know there was no

pay, so he just volunteered pretty much every weekend. I mean, he looked forward to going to work. I think he realized that was his calling. That's what he wanted to do. And he was very happy even though he wasn't getting paid for it. I mean, he really, really locked it. John John, I think really just wanted to make a difference. just wanted to make a difference. Law enforcement is not nearly as exciting as it looks on TV.

A share that can be drug raids and manhunts and big investigations. But there's also a lot of noise complaints and domestic disputes and traffic accidents. And there's a lot of waiting for something to happen. It can be pretty boring. But John John knew he had to pay his dues, earn some experience. He worked for free for two years before he was officially hired.

And it happened when he really needed a job, because Laurie had just given birth to their second child. Blake was like a weak old, so he went to the police academy. So that was eight weeks of police training. After a couple of years, and the birth of their third son, John-John trained to become a canine officer, and they added a dog to the family. Casey, the Malinois, who went to work with him. About a year before he died, John-John was paired with a new partner. The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The the The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The the The The The The The The The the The The Sheriff's son. That was an unusual.

Sheriff Jim Carson had a lot of his family working for him. Brother, cousin, kids, but Marty had some seasoning. He'd been on the job for eight years at that point. Marty had been with the Sheriff's Department since, you know, had been in office. So, and they were were several other family members that are also deputies at the time. John John's really more of the outsider. He's not related to these people.

It was mostly a family run business. And that was the majority of his family. Laurie, John, John, and Marty all grew up around the same time in the county. Marty even helped John John build the deck on the back of their house at one point, so they all saw each other around, but Laurie says their interactions were limited. But now, as the county's drug officer, Marty was working regular shifts with her husband, the canaan officer, trying to tamp down the drug problem. That's what they were doing the night of the shooting, chasing down a lead from an informant, taking out a meth lab.

And John-John couldn't have been happier. He was doing what he thought the good Lord put him on the earth to do. Now though, the day after Thanksgiving 2003, he's dead. Shot, not by a meth cook or a meth dealer, but because he was doing his job in a dangerous place and a gun went off. Laurie had two days to plan his funeral. So a lot of arrangements, just a lot of busyness, you know, getting things ready for that, getting the boys ready myself.

So I don't remember a lot just, you know, preparing for that. So like the visitation was on that Monday night, and then on Tuesday was the actual funeral. When a law enforcement officer is killed in the line of duty, the funeral usually becomes a public event. Crowds turn out. Officers come from all over because it's one of their own. And civilians come because the death of a police officer represents a break in that perceived line between ordering chaos. From Laurie's perspective, people came because John John was

good at his job and people liked him. But I think he just treated everyone with respect. Even though, you know, they're out doing these things that's, you know, against the law and everything, but he's still treated them with respect. I mean, he was down to earth. I mean, he would talk to them if there was something he could do to help them. He would, he was just that type of person.

And even these people that he had arrested, I mean, they locked him too. I mean, I've heard so many stories even after, you know, John John passed away. He's like, he arrested me, but he's the nicest guy I've ever met. Here's Nikki Porter, one of the people who has arrested the night of the shooting. Yeah, I had a lot of respect for John John. He was a good cop. And he was always the top guy, fat. If you told John John the truth, you were good. If you lied to him, you were going to do.

And if you told him the truth, he'd help you. And Roger Bowling, who used to sell meth, he didn't never take a bribe from nobody. He was straight up a place after. John John was still very much the law. He was just maybe decent about it, and it bought him a lot of respect. Even from the people he was taking to jail. I like John John, don't get me wrong,

but I wouldn't trust John John. Because of the position he's in, the position I was in, I thought the world was John John. Lonnie Gunter, the guy who told us his meth recipe a few minutes ago. He says he'd see John John around town in the Walmart in the country store. I'd run into him when he had the blues going

and was trying to chase me down or was chasing me down. He remembers his one time John John busted and for cooking meth. John John looks at me. He said, you know they send us to school for that? To make that, I said, I really? He said, you was one step away, but he makes it through good stuff. I said, really what was that? And he said, you know what I mean? I can't tell you that.

That's what made me and John John was. So imagine then, this small community where everyone, cops, crooks, everyone in between, is ready to turn out for this guy. It's a big deal. I can't go to the team. As we drove in the funeral march, just people everywhere on the sides of the road, their hands crossed their chest as we go by. And as we got closer to the cemetery,

there was paratrox that had made it arch. The way dramatic it was just very touching. I mean, you had to say that you've been to a lot of funerals, but I've never seen so many people to show up to pay their respect to John John. From one of us told, long, long lines outside the funeral waiting for people to get in to see him. It takes more than 45 minutes for the line of officers to pay their respects. They come from all over, from Campbell County and Morgan County, Knoxville and the highway patrol, Kentucky.

He was unbelievable. Have you heard from the sheriff yet? Never, never, never, for the time of the funeral, until this day. I wasn't able to get Jim Carson on the phone to confirm this. She says she hadn't heard from Marty either. But in that swirl of grief and confusion, that doesn't seem so strange anyway. I feel bad for him thinking, you know, he's killed someone and I'll let Marty be one of the Paul Barriers at that time.

Marty's carrying the left side of the casket, third man back. He's wearing his khaki deputy uniform, and he keeps his eyes down on the way out of the church. Descubre la Escuela de Ciberseguridad y MF de Loite y J.K.A. tu futuro profesional en el sector con mayor índice de empleabilidad. Tanto si poses un perfil técnico como sino, tenemos un irdinarario online o presencial, adaptado a ti, formación práctica y acceso a las herramientas The day after the funeral is the press conference that District Attorney General William Paul Phillips is holding, the one that reporters have been waiting for. It airs live on the local channels. Laurie has been waiting for it too. At the time, she still had no idea exactly how this happened. Just above the room where she's

talking to me now is where her whole family gathered then. upstairs in the living room. And my family's here, my mom, I think my dad, civil other family members are here too. We're just, you know, waiting for that to come on. Because we all want to know what he has to say and what's going on. Phillips, the DA, was the elected prosecutor for five rural counties, including Scott. It's his press conference. Robbie Carson, the lead detective, is there. So is Jim Carson, the sheriff. Chiefs from two local police departments and a supervisor for the Tennessee Bureau of The Carson, the lead detective is there, so is Jim Carson, the sheriff.

Chiefs from two local police departments and a supervisor for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, the TBI, they're there too. They represent all the law enforcement agencies working in Scott County, a united front. The DA starts it off. On Friday night after Thanksgiving, four officers of the Scott County Sheriff's Department proceeded to a residence on Williams Creek Road here in Scott County. Philip says they had an information that there was a methamphetamine lab there, and that a dangerous fugitive was there too.

He goes on to explain what we already know. Four deputies were outside, then Marty Carson went inside. Marty realized there was a person or people in a back bedroom with a closed door. He ordered them to come out. They did not comply. And this is where everything went wrong. It was lighter determined that a sickle blade with a long handle was sticking through a hole in the door of this back room and holding up part of the apparatus to allegedly cook math and federally.

A sickle is that staff that the grim reaper holds, a long pole with a curved blade at the top attached to a 90 degree angle. If the tip of that blade is stuck into a hole that's been poked into a door, it can work like a hanger that a meth cook can drape a hose over to keep everything trickling in the right direction. But then to open that door, that meth cook would have to take that apparatus apart. You'd have to pull the sickle blade out of the door.

Carson heard a sound that he thought was a shotgun being racked. Philip says someone pulled that blade out of the door. And was holding it in the doorway, which Carson thought was a shotgun. Carson jumped into small bathroom near this back bedroom. So Marty, the DA, says, is now taking cover in a bathroom. He thinks he's the only officer in the trailer. But then John, John comes inside. Probably, Philips says, out of concern for Marty.

Officer Carson then thought that someone had come to assist him. From there, Phillips went on for a bit about the scourge of Methamphetamine. We have lost a wonderful public servant, John John Nancy, who was vigorously working to rid this county of the Methamphetamine. We have never seen a worse drug in its impact on this community. Marty Carson is also a fine officer, a veteran of nine years in law enforcement who, like John John, put his life on the line many times in the war on illegal drugs in this county, he has lost his partner. He has lost his best friend.

He is completely devastated by the straits. He needs the prayers of this community, which he loves. Philip's praise is John John, he asks for prayers. His life was given to protect and to serve Scott County. And he says the state legislature needs to toughen up the meth laws. It's what John John would have wanted. We, all of us, in this county, must earn this tragedy into a renewed and maximum effort to read our county of his filthy grugs. The sheriff, Marty's dad, he speaks to.

He says Marty and John John were close as brothers. It's like you've lost one of your family and it's the same way of me. It's like that I've lost one of my own family members. He's worried about Marty, as any father would be. I've just got to have him every way that I can if he can get through with. Maybe we'll get him some canceling. Philips will say later that he didn't mean to make any formal declarations about whether Marty did anything wrong that night, and that the case was still being investigated. I'll try to answer any questions that you have. But once he started taking questions from reporters, he said,

The TVI has conducted a thorough investigation and there is no wrongdoing on the part of any of the officers who were there. So if there are any further charges, it will be against the one or more of the four defendants who are charged. In the case of David Carson, it will be really what an accidental. It was. It will be. Yes, perspective. It was accidental. Yes. And that's what's reported. Accidental.

He tells viewers that Laurie was briefed by investigators before the press conference, that she already knew the circumstances of her husband's death. But Laurie's troubled by what she's just heard on the TV. She'd been told earlier that they were looking for a man named Mark New. But now he's got nothing to do with it.

And there wasn't anyone with a shotgun. A shotgun that had already scared so bad he shot his partner. When I started watching that press conference and listening to that, I just thought, this is just not adding up to me. And we thought, you know, there would be more detail that led up to the whole situation. But there's not the press conference, the only official word and what happened, just ends.

Lori's in the family room watching. Her parents are there, some friends. They are all very quiet. No one knows what to say. Because none of it makes sense to them. They close this case within five days and say, there's no wrongdoing. I don't know how that could be a thorough investigation and say, there's no wrongdoing in a morning Carson's part. That's when I really just felt like, yeah, there's more to this.

Something just doesn't seem right. Next time on Friendly Fire. Did the bedroom door ever open while the officers were in the house prior to the shooting? No. No, not at all. When the witness is, tell another story. He hollered at John John and said, John, he's in here. Come in here.

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