Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 39: Studio Vibes & A Missing Spiderman

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

It’s a very special edition of the pod this week as the Wolf and Owl are together in a studio to record the show face to face. We’re talking… reporter apologies, embarrassing eyewear, old school pals, doing a runner, Tom’s golf gig and a case of mistaken identity, a Harry Styles misdirection, Boxpark video shame, Rom’s tricky time at the Dre and Snoop launch party, not meeting your heroes, over-packing for holidays, buffet-wear, teenage sleepovers and a stressful pillow buying trip to Bluewater. Trigger Warning for the bleep-phobic out there - there are a lot of them in the first 10 minutes of the show. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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um well i've got i was about to say welcome to the wolf and owl i can barely contain my excitement this is very exciting huge right there's a lot going on right there's a lot to unpack boom wolf and owl together yeah looking in each other's eyes yeah also in the room oh my god It can't be understated or overstated or whatever statement you need enough. Just state it. Just state this shit. JT is in the room with us. JT is in the room. He's started blushing as soon as we've mentioned his name. Because he's going to just give us sort of looks of disapproval and stuff as we live edit. One of the big reasons he's in the room is it's been a lot of controversy over the last seven days Well, you've you've gone it you in quite heavy last week. Okay. Let's just get okay. Do you switch off? Yeah, I'm gonna switch off my apple. What have you got a delivery or something?

Yeah, just wait for me when I get home Gary O'Donoghue the BBC News report We talked about about being on the I I think I raised I'm not I think I'm 100% sure. You went in on him. I didn't go in on him. You went in on him. I didn't go in on him. I just said. You had a bit. No I didn't have a bit.

I never bit. He was lying on the floor as part of this Trump thing and we were sort of talking about the fact that people wouldn't mind. Anyway it turns out he's registered blind. I had no idea. I didn't have a clue. I mean if you're not going to know I'm not going to know right. What does that mean?

Well you're more learned. You're part of the BBC corporation. I thought you meant like we're on some sort of eyesight. No, your eyesight's probably better than mine, if I'm going to be honest with you, bro. My eyesight's getting worse. My eyesight's terrible. No, but mine's getting worse.

Someone borrowed my glasses the other day and said they thought they were tripping. My eyesight is awful, bro. Yeah, well. But both of us, look, neither of us are. Yeah, neither of us are. Nobody's coming here for the eyesight, or the insight. Have you ever thought about the insight?

Have you ever thought about getting your eyes lasered? I have yeah thought about it, but I sort of like You look you look cute with glasses. I've seen you without glasses. It's bad, isn't it? No, no, just like you look glasses suit your face Yeah, because they're a mask it I'm saying a balaclava suits you? No, no. The reason... Glasses are proportionate. Some people don't look good in glasses. Right. Do you know the thing I noticed the other day?

I was out, I was chatting to a guy and he had really small glasses for his face. Okay, too small. Yeah, like, you know, like Penfold glasses. But imagine, like, Baron Greenbank wore Penfold, found Penfold glasses, like, in a bathroom somewhere, and he put them on. and he just carried on wearing them because they had the same eyesight problem Okay. Yeah, that's what it looked like. He had a big face tiny little glasses and not like

You know, I've little round ones that are quite cool like sort of you know, they weren't a stylish pair of glasses Yeah, do you remember a show called a different world on Channel 4? Yeah, I do. Yeah, do you remember that show? Yeah, very. Do you remember Dwayne Wayne? Yes, Christ. Yeah, do you remember what Dwayne Wayne used to wear on his face? Well, yeah, I mean, I've seen him in glasses, but I need to have a look at him now. Okay, look him up, because he was his signature pair of glasses,

were a pair of glasses that I then got hold of and wore all the time. Was it called Different? Different World. Different World. Different World. Dwayne Wayne. Oh what? Oh my god, yeah I can see you doing this. So it's the glasses with the sunglasses over the top that you flip up.

Oh my god. I saw Dwayne Wayne with those, I immediately went out and got some and wore them all the time. So did you flip them down and up or just have them up all the time? I had them up all the time. Wow. That must have been a hell of a look. It was a hell of a look.

How old would you have been? 16, 17 at this point? Something like that, yeah. It's one of those things where I think it's part of the problem of being into American culture in that way. Because I was really into hip hop, really into watching American shows, and when you pick up something that you like from that and then you don't think about what that's going to look like in Crawley. There's a big difference in Crawley or something, bowling in a bat and something like that. Just like with the little stereo thing playing NWA with your flip sunglasses on.

Karkarney jeans. In Goths Park. You were in Karkarney jeans? Yeah, I did, yeah. Trippy. Yeah, not trippy, chippy, wasn't it? Chippy, I thought, yeah, what's the other one? Oh, what, spliffy there.

Spliffy, yeah, spliffy, yeah. I used to go into the shopping site and they used to sell all that stuff. And I remember buying some of it with my pocket money and then turning up at the Mufti day and someone just really had it into me. I was the only person dressed in those sorts of clothes. Yeah, because the thing is, when you wear a school uniform people don't realize how quirky your... Your look is.

Yeah, and when you turn up. We had one kid at our Muffty Day turned up. I'll name him... Why? No, it's because he'd actually get a kick out of being named on this because he's a sweet soul and he'd get a lot out of this. It's so good to be able to say to JT, bleep it, and he's right there. Yeah. But I remember on our first Muffity day, turned up in his school uniform,

and everyone was like, why are you wearing your school uniform? It's Muffity day. He said, when I'm not at school, I only ever wear suits anyway. We were all like, why? And he went, I just wear suits. I only wear suits.

I might as well just wear my school uniform. I only wear blazers and suits. What about that story makes you think that we get a kick out of that being shared and him being named? Just no, I haven't seen him since school. So you don't know him? No, I mean, yeah, now thinking about it, he could have gone through quite a lot.

I'm using when we were like 14, because his mum and dad got divorced when we were 14. I mean, there's a possible story here where like was too embarrassed to wear his own clothes because he was struggling. Yeah, of course. And so just wore his uniform. Then they took the piss out of him,

like you lot take the piss out of him, and said, why are you wearing, and he said, I wear suits. I've not thought about **** for a long time. This has just come to me, like... We've not thought about him, you seem to know exactly that he'd love to be named on this podcast.

He used to be quite a big Joe your character right over his 14th birthday Would you be the shower? Is that his dad was called yeah, which I thought was a cool name, right? Yeah, how often do you meet someone good? Love not exactly ever go. Well, you know, it's a weird move by someone called to name this on He did move by someone called **** to name their son ****, wasn't it? Yeah. But his dad was a bit of a biker and he took us all out for pizza. For ****. So much unrelated information being thrown out.

I think there was a pizza place in Talworth. And we got there. Well did he bring it all over in a sidecar? No, no ****. Why has he been a biker? Because he borrowed a car, like he borrowed a car for it. No, no, no. This is, so we all went in there, we all had Coke floats and ordered pizza. Why is him being a biker? Because he borrowed a car. He borrowed a car for it. OK, fine. No, no, no.

So we all went in there. We all had Coke floats and all the people. He said, knock yourselves out. He came to the end of the bill, and he made us do a runner. And we were all like 14. Are you serious? I swear. He was like, we're all going to hurt.

Start going to the car, go, fuck the keys. We'll run. And then he came sprinting afterwards. He was like, get in, get in, get in. And we drove away. And what, did anybody tell their parents? He told us not to, but I told my dad. What did your dad say?

He laughed. He laughed? Well, he's insane. To be fair, our group of friends were not an organized bunch. To have that kind of... So he's actually proud that you managed to pull it off. Well, he says, for d***, that's an an incredible thing. He said you've been at school for whatever like seven, eight years, your teacher's not got you to do anything. You can't get any organisation between the lot. We're all the bottom class and stuff.

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So anyway, like going back to your apology because of what you said about that guy. So anyway, we just want to say we're sorry. No, no, no, no, no. I'll do my apology. You do. You and then, look. I didn't go in two-footed by the way. You were saying he was... But listen, without getting into details, there have been a couple of times when you've fucked up on this podcast, right? And I would say... And I've been chest-eyed for that and I've been... Mate, mate.

Look, I'll tell you, whenever I've messed up on this and I've said something untoward or I've done something wrong, you have relished in that moment. No, absolutely, okay. You have relished. Your hands have rubbed together. You've almost, you've almost sat on fire. You're like fucking Johnny Knoxville out of fucking... No, listen, I get...

Not Johnny Knoxville, who's the one who turns into flames, Johnny... Johnny Blaze? Johnny Blaze. Johnny Storm, sorry. Johnny Blaze, Method Man's already got some. Anyway, the point is, right, there have been times when you fucked up and I think... You know what you're doing right now is you've been very Trump-esque. Sorry, can I... You've been very Trump-esque. All you've got to do is put your big boy pants on and apologise.

I've apologised. I opened the podcast and I said I need to start off with an apology. Yeah, but you didn't go blah blah blah I'm really sorry. Well, because I tell you why Tom I can't get three words out of you interrupt What a fucking piece of shit he was First of all couldn't afford to bring his own clothes into school. Second was dad made us all do a runner He's a biker by the way, really love pizza So I'm trying to get the apology out. Okay, right. Everyone for the next 30 seconds? I don't know how long the apology is going to be. Before we get into this apology, I do want to say you've made a mistake on this podcast which has cost both of us thousands of pounds.

Yeah. I was nowhere near as much of a prick about as you are being about this. There's a difference between a big multi-million pound corporation and a sweet sweet sale stuck under a car. Like you're talking about an individual that you've seen and you've b-wopped and scattered all over him. I feel like I'm at a fucking presidential debate here. This does feel Trump-esque. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not just, yeah. And okay, just do the apology. Look, I just want to say I didn't realize, I didn't realize the context of it. I saw the TikTok. I didn't do the due diligence

and look into the background of it. I then went in, I wouldn't say two-footed, I went in one-footed on the situation. Had I known that he was partially, so I never would have made those comments. So I'd just like to take this opportunity to apologize and I'm sorry if anyone was offended. And not only I'm sorry if you're offended, I'm not saying that it's your fault for being offended, I'm sorry. And can I also take the opportunity to thank the people that did email in, because they didn't email in that front footed actually,

they said, just a quick one, just so you know, this is the situation, they weren't that aggressive. Although you, on the Wolf and Our WhatsApp, your fucking ass went so quickly. Oh boys, I think we need to address this situation. I'm getting a little panicked. I think we're going to get cancelled here. So this is my apology. This is my apology. Okay. Look, I apologise for being a fool heart.

I apologise for a fool heart. Fool heart? Yes, right. Okay. I apologise massively for the fact that I laughed along with Ramesh in his boarder humor whilst actually what I should have done is investigate the matter a little bit further. I shall not be led down a garden path any further by Mr. Ranganathan when he's coming up with any of his more controversial edgy material.

I will stand back a little bit and I'll just sort of like I'll do a little bit of due diligence I'm sorry if anyone's been offended, especially the man whose name I can't remember in Question but I am very very sorry and to anyone who was offended anyone who was caught up in this I apologize. I Know that you're sort of this you're sort of throwing me under the bus here is a joke But it is a real insight into how you operate. No, no, no, no. I tell you what, because now I know, this was relatively innocuous, right? Now I know for a fact, if something really did happen, you would be a piece of shit about

it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What I'm saying to you, all I'm going to say is this one. By the way, I do not like you in the studios. No, I'm just going to say to you, right? I genuinely, I didn't really know much about this. I laughed along because when you said, did you see the studios? No, I'm just going to say to you, right? I genuinely, I didn't really know much about this. I laughed along because when you said, did you see that thing?

I agreed because I didn't want to come across as stupid. And then I just sort of said, oh, yeah, yeah. And I sort of laughed along. But I felt very bad about it. Did you? Because not that long ago, you wished Mervin Stutter dead. And you knew all about him. Right? dead right and you knew all about him right so so this this fucking image

that you posted up about you being this sweet guy that was never going on anyone without like doing some research no I mean I mean it was it was about 20 minutes we start to know what piece of shit he is how you think he's like a vampire of talent, insinuated that he was Nancy, it was pretty full on. Yeah, yeah. All right, okay, I'll take this moment here if this is the apology episode. Mervyn Stutter, I'm so sorry mate, I didn't really know you, I so hope you've never listened to that episode, if you have, I can only say, well, you're obviously not gonna listen to this

because you probably gave up listening to the podcast after. I don't think you heard that. I thought, let's see how this develops. I hope I get another mention. I'm genuinely, and if you know, I'm up in Edinburgh. Are you? Yeah, this weekend. Okay, right.

I'd love to take you out for a nice cold pint. Or if you want to square it up with him. Yeah. If you want a bit of a straightener, this weekend. Okay, right. I'd love to take you out for a nice cold pint. Or if you want to square it up with him. Yeah. If you want a bit of a straightener, Merv. But yeah, Merv, I'm sorry, mate. There we go. Job's good and good luck in Edinburgh this year, mate, with the Mervin Stutter.

Okay, here's the thing. If Mervin Stutter, where are you in August for the duration of August during the Fringe? Well, I'm at home but... Okay. If Mervin Stutter as a form of like you making amends with him, says will you come and do Mervin Stutter's five minute thingy? Will you travel to Edinburgh and do it by way of apology? Yeah, probably. Okay, so Mervin Stutter, there you go. If anybody can get in touch with him... I mean, yeah, I mean it feels a bit bad going, oh hey Murph, Tom Davis might want to come and do this.

No, it's only if he wants to. No, no, he'll go, why would he want to do that? He's not even had any, well, about a year ago, he absolutely smashed you to pieces on the podcast and wished you dead. Yeah, well look, we don't want to draw off the email for you if you've got his contact details, but something along those lines would be great.

So I wish you well, Murph. Yeah. Anyway, how are you? Good mate, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good, good. I've had a not too long. I've had a Topsy Turvy week. I went to the opening of The Open up in Scotland. Yes, you did. In Trun, which was the same thing. It was like the, I don't know if you know the size of the golf. You were paid to do this, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, no, I'm just sort of, I'm just getting the details. Yeah, yeah, okay. So you were paid to do this thing? Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we do stuff that we're paid to do. Yeah, of course. It's what work is,esh. So I went up there. Why did you just address me like I'm a benefits cheat?

I went up there and I was very excited to be going up there. I'm a big golf fan. I was out there having a bit of a laugh, and there was like people out, there was about 400 people when I get there were out on the street just waiting. Obviously big golf fans trying to get, look at the golfers. And then someone said, oh no, someone said that there's an actor called Tom coming up,

and word has spread around the whole of Trune. Tom Holland. Tom Holland. Shit. Spider-Man's gonna be there. So there was. coming up and word has spread around the whole of Trune. Tom Holland. Tom Holland. Shit. Spider-Man's going to be there. So there was... How'd you get a Spider-Man suit that size, is the question.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of, that's just a Spider-Man. I see Spider-Man when he's sort of giving up a little bit. Spider-Man and Hulk have sort of had a kid together. You know, there was Spider-Man, no way home and a long way from home. This one's been put into a home. Lazily shooting out like webs. I don't think that was a web, actually.

Yeah, just dribbling out. You get to an age, yeah. You got any pills? Because I sort of have this thing where I shoot webs out from my wrists, but I'm really, I actually sort of can't get my arms even instead of not a mouth. But so, yeah.

So, did you know? So, no, no. So, we get there and they said, look, just to let you know that Tom Holland, everyone thought Tom Holland's coming. So, there's a lot of people outside expecting Tom Holland. I sort of then walked past them. Quite a lot of them said, do you know where Tom Holland, do you know when he's going to be here? I think a lot of them just thought it was security.

And I said, oh, Tom Holland, I don't know if Tom Holland's coming, but Harry Styles is probably gonna be here. You said that? Yeah, just as a bit of a laugh. Then it went absolutely fucking mad. Like, I come back out of the venue, so I was going in and out of the venue to a holding room.

And by that point, there's about a thousand people out. Yeah, partly because of what you said. Well, yeah, because a lot of people now think Tom Holland and Harry Styles are people out. Yeah, because partly because of what you said. Well yeah, because a lot of people now think Tom Holland and Harry Styles are coming out. Did you think, did you feel any part of any sort of guilt about that because you are kind of creating a security issue aren't you? Well yeah, this is where the story starts. I felt, yeah, I felt like a bit of a wanker in some ways because I felt like, oh shit a lot of these people are now out and it's sort of...

What's happened is, is you've gone up being like, you've been booked to do this. The rumours gone round that Tom Holland's gonna be there. Your ego's got a little bit of a kick in there. And in a self-defense mechanism, you've gone, oh, Harry Styles is gonna be, because you thought let me try and own this. I was gonna try and get out of it, but that's kinda, yeah. What was quite annoying is the fact that

the people I was with who paid me to be there, it was quite evident from then that no one who was out waiting outside had any clue who I was. That can't be true. Well no, so what happened is the second or third time I walked past them a little girl sort of turned around and said, I knew the big guy from Wonka. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, which was quite sweet.

And then a lot of people then say, well still at that point if Tom Holland or Harry Styles isn't coming at least we've sort of got someone. Yeah, like one of the stars of One Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which was quite nice. A lot of them sort of, I would say a lot of them got pictures. It felt like they felt they had to after a while. It felt like, you know, a lot of people coming over going, oh, you might as well get a picture with him because he's here. But then the police got called when it got to about 1300 people and this tiny little street and it was just people that they brought that a road got blocked off.

And the organizers, I mean, this is real. Yeah, I swear. It was inside. There was kids out. It was like half nine at night. There's just children running around crazy. Always excited to see Spider-Man or Harry Styles. And then within the event, I say, but a great event. Shout out, Eddie. Shout out, I say, by the way, great event, shout out Adidas, shout out Sky Sports. A very nerve-racking one. Is this really happening? What? Like, if you're going to fucking shout out a company,

there's got to be some sort of bloody consent from me. I'm now, I'm now got Adidas and- You've got four shows on Sky. I'm not on Sky Sports, I haven't. And by the way, I'm not seeing any of this fucking Skrilla. You're as big a part of Sky as anyone I know. For which I'm paid a fee. I think I'm not... Yeah, exactly.

Which is work, right? So am I. Yeah, but this is... It doesn't mean that I then... I'm open to them being endorsed at any moment that I'm a... Mate, if someone from Sky was listening to this, hearing you slagging them off... I'm not slagging them off. I'm just saying, being endorsed at any moment that I'm a bit if Pistol from sky was listening to this hearing you slagging them off I'm not sucking them up just saying that you've got better sky is basically you're the art You're part of the army for sky. Do you mean you've got all of us?

You've got where your sky hat like, you know, I'm a small part of that. I'm a tiny if I'm like a private You know what's going on with you today You're a king or a queen when it comes to sky I'd say you're in the top 10% of Sky talent Wouldn't you? What I'm saying is if I find out that one of the things of your claws for doing this thing on Monday For which by the way you missed the podcast record. Yeah, let's not get into that Yeah, okay, okay

If I find out that part of that was to mention on the wall for now No, no, no, you're in deep shit. It wasn't about that. I just done that for free. I think I always shout out people I enjoy it. I found it very enjoyable. It's very noble of you. I have a golden handshake. I'd say it was quite a tough gig. Arguably more surprised than the youngsters out there wanting to see Tom Holland or Harry Starrs in their tiny Scottish town were the golfers who had their quite chilled drinks interrupted by a six foot seven comedian trying to tell jokes. What had they asked you to do? Well, some stand up.

Okay. I went out and- That's difficult. How long? Ten minutes sort of every half an hour. Ten minutes every half an hour? Yeah, I was going out and in the's difficult. How long? Ten minutes, sort of every half an hour. Ten minutes every half an hour? Yeah, I was going out and in the end I started interviewing people and stuff. But it was quite...

Well in the end I just got some Sky Sports presenters to start chipping marshmallows in mine and other people's mouths. It became a bit more raucous. So you're two for two at just descending into a fucking animal at these corporate events eh? Because there's Box Park first of all. Yeah, I mean the Box Park thing is also by the way, that absolutely destroyed me for a day. That was 24 hours of insane, that was horrible.

But why am I saying, you've been very Tom about that video. How have I been talking about it? I've been in your company twice since then, you've shown everyone that we've come into contact with. No, okay, right, yes, fine, that is true. What you're saying is right. On the wall for now, WhatsApp, I. Yes fine. That is true. What you're saying is right on the wall for now WhatsApp I did share it. Yeah, and I and I think you can look at it now my exact words were this is incredible or amazing All right. Yeah, because I think it is it's a video. Have a look at it guys

There's I think JT shared on the Instagram. Yeah, he did. It was very quick to do that. I say It's footage. It was nice to see you done that, that was like, literally it was the quickest I've ever seen anything go up on the wall for now. Yeah it was quick actually. Yeah. Yeah. It was literally, I saw, it's been viewed and it's on the Instagram straight away. But anyway, it opens, the clip opens with you throwing a pint into the... That's the start of it. Then you start singing, Hey Jude. Right? And then it's, la la la la la la la. But this is my second favourite part of the video.

It's where you just like... It's like you shit out the next bit. You sort of go, la la la la! And then, my favourite bit of the video, Hey Jude! And then you go, you're not even on camera. And Jude, and Jude, and Jude, and Jude! Oh my god. favourite bit of the video hey Jude and then you go you're not even on camera oh by the way we sound not on camera it wasn't like we were filming it for a music video I didn't even know I was in camera in the first place it was like the I'm not criticizing you feeling off camera I just think it makes it even funnier anyway the thing is it was one of the most shameful things that I've ever been a part of.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. JT, it's funny, right? Yeah, it's funny. But the problem was, so just for the benefit of people listening, I put it on the WhatsApp, JT shared it on the Instagram. What we didn't realize is you were still suffering from a hangover. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, so that clip sent you into a bit of a spiral. It was a big spiral. And then you know it was in spiral.

We were then in the off-the-curb Offices on the Friday. Yeah, and you showed all of the pretty much went around the office show I mentioned the video and then they said can we said it's here So I showed it to them but but and and I realize now now that you're sort of Saying this it was difficult for you But I saw it as like ripping off the band-aid the videos out there the videos out I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Can I say you sort of come across quite charming in it? I will say this, I think I genuinely have done a lot of work on myself to sort of push the

sort of agenda of how I behave when I'm drunk and then I saw that video and I was like and also like what you don't see is poor, I don't actually I think you probably if you look carefully you can sort of see Martin off stage just sort of like, you know, looking, you know, like sort of, you know, when your dog runs out and shits in the middle of the park and sort of like, you've got to go, that's my dog, and he shits in the middle of the park

in the play area. That's what Martin's face looks like. I don't think you've got any reason to feel ashamed. You know, I do massively. And for any way, yeah, I just got sort of lost in the moment really and then again on the the following night when I was at the golf thing Yeah, kind of lost in the moment. Yeah, but the golf thing went well He ended up being a lot of fun Yeah

And by I say that the new golf range that added us have done is Phenomenal for anyone who likes a sort of street golf anyone wants to sort of look a bit more Drippy when they're out on the golf course, check out Adidas' new range. Okay. How have you been, my bro? You've been alright. Well, I went to, well actually,

I went to see, have we talked about this? Me going to see Dr. Dre in the snow? No, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't we haven't we haven't I was devastated By this by the way, I you know, you're very lovely and invite me to come. Yeah, I can make it No, which is fine personal reasons. Yes, it's not anyway they're releasing some drink gin and juice right which is refreshing and Really delicious and I would strongly recommend it to if you just had on a brother said it was a very nice. He's

fine Really delicious and I would strongly recommend it to if you just have on a sudden it wasn't very nice. He's spot That was delicious really good Anyway, Snoop and Draper there as part of the launch and they brought Eminem it looked like an incredible thing to me I it was amazing Yeah Was it did you have that vibe when you were there if like this is a sort of like once a Lifetime thing seeing them such a small small place. Yeah, like, you know, like by the way Can I just say it wasn't lost on me that the audience that they had with you and everyone losing their shit was pretty much

The same size audience I had of golfers and it was completely the opposite What you mean? Well, everyone is in that audience seeing Dre Snoop Eminem We'll remember that for the rest of their lives. The golfers would probably have forgotten it by the first, I'd say within four hours of leaving. Yeah. But it was like... What are you saying? Your performance... Are you sort of...

I'd say that my performance at the box part was arguably more Dre, Eminem and Snoop Dogg than my performance at the... At the golf, right? Yeah, yeah. So what you're saying is, you're saying in what you believe to be humility That your performance at the golf event wasn't as good as Snoop I'm saying what I'm saying by the way is that's like when I looked at that

I was like it made me feel it. Yeah, I looked at the video as you posted and everyone else I saw posted about it that looked incredible. It was quite surreal right because LeBron James is there Young blood went on stage. Yeah, it was like Jude Bellingham was there. Young Blood went on stage. Yeah, I've seen the video. Again, that's, well actually this is, I mean you sort of paint yourself as this really sort of sweet sweet soul. That's another one of your videos. What do you mean?

Well, you shared the video of me around the office and the video of Young Blood coming onto stage. And I, I mean, he was, was he meant to be introducing? He was meant to be introducing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's, you, this is like a, have I been invited to my own cancellation? You've been so spiky.

I'm not being spiky. You are. I'm not, this is. You've been really, like, I don't know what's going on with you, man. I'm not being spiky. You're not good. I'm not being spiky. I'm still shame but trembling a bit from from the ruptures from last week

Okay, so we had a lot of people saying we were conspiracy theorists Oh, yeah, because of the show and that was down to me because of my yeah Yeah, and I got one guy who's quite aggressive about what did you what is it? You said that I said it could have been it could have it could have been fake Right, and then one guy got really, really, really, really aggressive about it. Well said what? He called me a conspiracy theorist

and just told me to fuck off and keep my opinions to myself. And then he sort of like, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, he's listening to the podcast, right? Yeah. If we were to take the strategy of on this podcast, keeping our opinions to ourselves I mean there would be even less content in it than there fucking is now.

But the Youngblood thing I did find quite interesting. I did find it quite an interesting... So look, the reason I bring it up is that is, and like you weren't being horrible about it, but that is a really tough gig to come and introduce Eminem and fucking Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. That's almost the impossible. I'm sure they didn't ask you to do it. I barely got in, actually. Really?

Yeah, because Martin had asked me if I wanted to go, said he'd sort me out guest list, and then I think, I don't want to get Martin, I think Martin forgot to ask for the tip. Oh, wow. So then the deadline had passed, and so then he messaged me and I so I'd sort of got the feeling that This had happened. So I said to him look if you can't sort out don't worry about it You're doing me a favor at the end of the day. Like it doesn't matter

He's like no man. I'm gonna sort out. I'm gonna sort it out He must have asked a lot of people because when I turned up there I was getting rinsed by quite a few like just strangers going, I heard you on the bed to get into this. Oh no. Yeah. First thing I did, I walked in, some guy comes up to me and he goes,

imagine this, I walk in. He goes, first thing that's sitting me and I go in, oh, so you got in then, in the room. Oh wow. Right? Wow. Ah. Then he goes.

I'd have preferred this, by the way, would have been, this should have been better for me than the performance. Then he goes, um, uh, yeah, yeah, I'll work at this. I can't remember what record it was because I worked with someone, somebody's going, this is what he said to me. He said it like being funny, but I was so embarrassed, right? He goes to me. So like we're standing in the office, apparently like earlier today, somebody goes, oh, Romesh

apparently is off the tickets for tonight. And they were like, fuck him. And then we're like sort of having a laugh like earlier today somebody goes, oh, Romesh apparently is after tickets for tonight. And they were like, fuck him. And then we're like sort of having a laugh about it, sort of taking a piss out of him. We're glad you made it in. That's quite mean. I didn't think it was going to... Well, no, but I mean, it's quite funny. But it's sort of embarrassing. And then as I'm walking through, a couple of other people just went,

oh, so you managed to make it in then. I was like, I look like such a fucking beg. How many people, so you just might in your text. I didn't ask to go. What happened was, I didn't know anything about it. It was a top secret event, right? I don't know if it was actually, because when I told Flo about it,

she told me that Tom Allen had been invited. Tom Allen got invited? Got invited. I love Tom, he's an amazing guy, but you feel like the guy should be first to be invited. Let's look at the dynamics. You're the hip hop guy. Well, okay, now you're...

You are like the new Tim Westwood. Now you're starting to get... That's what I... I fell into the trap of thinking I'm having a real conversation there. And now, suddenly, you've got to start to warm to your theme. And by the way, we've moved past it. I did hear you call me Tim Westwood. Okay. But what my point is- I think dwelling on that would be a mistake.

Yeah, yeah, all right, but everyone knows you as the hip hop. No, they don't, they don't. I'd say, if we ran outside now and we found 10 people and said, what's the first five things you think about Rommage, Rang and Nathan, Rob and Rom, Sky would come up. Rob and Rom, Sky, overexposed, does he ever say no? And probably hip hop.

Right, yeah. Rap. Yeah, some people call it rap, some people call it hip hop. But you are known, that's one of the things you're known for. Anyway, but the point is, Tom Allen was invited as part of the thing. So I don't know how Top 6 was. Does Tom Allen like rap?

I don't know, I don't think he dislikes it. No, no, no, just, yeah. So. Tom Allen, by the way don't know, I don't think he dislikes it. No, no, I just, yeah. So. Tom Allen, by the way, would have been an incredible choice to introduce that night. That's something I thought would have been incredible. Because that would have been really, really good. Tom Allen can introduce anything.

Tom Allen can do anything, he's fucking incredible. But I'm just saying, that would have been a real, that would have been an amazing gear change from Tom doing. Also, I'd like to have seen Tom give a little bit of roasting to the guys. That'd be fun. Actually, you know what would be fun? Watching Tom and Shaq. That's a fucking TV show and I was pitched.

I'm going to ask you this question, I believe, whatever you say. Have you done a bump before coming in here? No. Okay. I have had two coffees, but no, I haven't. I've had a stressful day. I've come in here from quite, when I stress, I deal with stress in such a different, and this is my alleviation.

This is alleviation, is that right? Yeah? Yeah, this is where I get rid of all that sort of stress and angst. This is my safe space. The podcast? Yeah, yeah. No, no, just being with you in general.

Okay. So anyway, go ahead. So Tom Allen's been invited. We can then probably go on that other people have been invited. Yeah. It's insane you weren't invited. Well, look, Tom have been invited. Yeah. It's insane you weren't invited. Well, look, Tom Allen was invited.

Yeah. They emailed, so Tom Allen, Tom and I have got the same agent. Yeah, Flo, yeah. So they've got in touch with Flo, and said we'd love to invite Tom Allen to this. Flo's replied saying, I don't think Tom can make it, but I'll tell you who would love to go to see my clients,

Ramesh, she gets nothing back from that, all right? So then Martin sends me the thing, and he goes, this is an event happening, do you want to go? I can get you a guest list. So I'm like, yeah. So I didn't even know about it. I'm not asked to go, but obviously I do want to go once I've seen the thing. So then Martin forgets, or by the time, I think what happened was by the time he sent

it to me, the deadline had already passed to get Guestless, right? So then he's gone. Okay, cool. I've got you then Martin being one of the nicest people on the planet has then realized That this is gonna be trickier than he thought and rather than coming back to me Which most 90 percent of people do come back to me and go mate I fuck it's like the deadlines gone. I'm gonna mine's got that taken Liam Neeson vibe to him. Yeah, so he goes He's promised something. He yes. Yeah, so he goes he's promised something He yes, so then he went all out so I'm not complaining Because obviously I wouldn't see an incredible fit like it's one of the great ones Yeah, yeah, but what's happened is mine's had to use your name

Yeah, and it's a slight side effect of that is that I went in there as a John Begg Yeah, basically and and that that that rumor had spread like wildfire. Like you were the guy from, what was that fake festival? Fire. Fire festival. Yeah. To get a ticket you'd have done everything. Me begging for the tickets was the equivalent of that, you know that polystyrene box with

a bit of lettuce in it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was that of Fire Festival. Wow, man. So anyway. It was worth it though, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was that of Fire Festival. Wow, man. So anyway. It was worth it though, right? It was amazing. It was amazing.

Snoop, you know, it's one of those things where like... Did you meet? Did you see them afterwards? No, here's, okay, this is what I want to talk to you about. Martin was like really kind and was trying to, was like, he was trying to sort us out, going back stage. This is what I think, and this is what I decided. My interest in meeting Snoop, Dre and Eminem is zero.

And not because I don't like them, I think they're amazing, right? They're my hit, like Snoop and Dre, I grew up listening to them. Eminem is like one of the greatest of all time. I don't see the point in meeting them. I saw the show, right? The show was incredible. Why am I now gonna go and say to them,

so good to, I just can't, it's just, I know that what's going to happen is I'll make a dick of myself. Yeah. They've just done a show. They're meeting loads of people. It's interesting, isn't it? Because it is that thing of like, if you meet someone that you really, really adore like that, who's had such a big impact on your life,

and then you say something or do something that they just, cause it's a real, cause we get it sometimes. I've been in a situation where I've met people that I think are amazing and you've either tried to have banter that's not gone down very well, you've made a wally out of yourself. And then you can never watch any of their films again. You can never support that team again.

You can never listen to their music again. That's, That's what- I'm more likely to do that than you, if I'm honest. I think you'd be quite cool. I think you'd meet them, get a picture, say hello. Yeah, but I feel like going to the show is enough. Yeah, yeah, I think, but then there must be a part of you that thinks that was the time.

I mean, I say that was the time. You got the biggest hip-hop radio show in Britain, right? So there's a good chance. What's happening? Well, no, no, so it's a massive thing. Look, there's a good chance you'll meet one of them. If they come over again, well, you've met 50 Cent. This is not out of the complete, like, ordinary,

that you get to meet one of, not all three at the same time. This is such a rollercoaster, man. I don't know, from minute to minute, I don't know what Tom Davis I'm dealing with. It's wild. No, no, but there's a good chance you'll meet him, but personally I'd have probably gone and met him. Yeah, I find it too difficult. I just feel like... Also, I'd have wanted to meet Shaq as well. Yeah.

He's sick. Yeah. And LeBron. What a guy. So would a hold of LeBron have got a private jet or some shit to come over? I guess so, yeah. Do you think they all got on a plane together? I don't know. Imagine fucking like being on how cool that plane would have been to me That was that's where you'd have to really be careful not to make a wall you yourself. Mmm, if you're on that cool play Yeah, I wouldn't be the guy that would fly to LA so that I could get on a plane with him back to London

To go to the show. No, but if you get the flight back, yeah I like right right right. Yeah, that could have been a funny little thing You could have walked up to sort of um drag sort of pretended to give him a headlock and go, oh, well, how you getting back home with all this lot? You got a jet going. Yeah, any chance, no, I've got a big audition in LA. You know, I've been to, I go to music gigs all the time. Yeah, yeah.

Just because I love it. Yeah, you've got a Henn-donistic vibe. What did you say? Henn-donistic. You've got that vibe to you. Hendonistic, first of all, let's get it out of the way, it's not the word. Okay? It's hedonistic. Right, okay.

But hendonistic sounds like a hendu that just out for a good time. I feel like you might have coined great new words. Do you know what I mean? Just everyone just walking around with tattoos, just like, hedonistic there. But you know, so anyway, going to this gig, I felt an emotion I've not felt much at gigs. Like, I always love going to gigs, but they're so much part of my hip-hop listening experience and whatever that seeing them on stage I kind of got I would describe it as like giddy. I got giddy seeing them on stage. Like I lost my shit Rapping along well, that's the other thing isn't it?

Apparently I thought I was giddy Martin made a joke about Like is this you having like the best time ever because it didn't't really look like, it didn't look like, I was sort of nodding and like getting into it. But occasionally I broke into, which is a guilty thing. No JT's a hip hop fan and he'll know that this happens sometimes. When you know the words of just sort of rapping aggressively to the person next to you along with it. Well like, so you look them in the eye.

Yeah. Someone you knew or just a stranger? It was Din. Oh right. Your brother by the way, we should say that the shout out, he is, he's emerged and become a viral superstar. Yeah. He's, yeah. He's doing big things on Instagram.

Yeah, he is. Big, big things. He's now got more viewers on his video than I've got any of mine. Yeah. Yeah. It's gone big. It's gone big. But anyway, even to the point where Din...

Oh, it was going simmer down. Yeah, it was just's gone big. It's gone big. But anyway, even to the point where Din... Oh, it was going simmer down. Yeah, it was just going alright. It was almost like... I'm pretty sure when I forgot about Dre finished, I sort of heard Dinesh whisper, thank fuck for that. If there's one video I can watch if I hold on, it would just be you with your ice glasses. So what are you doing somebody? I hate this! Just hold him like that. Why the hell walk him back? Just grabbed him by the throat.

Alright man, chill out. Look at me! Anyway, so that was amazing. I have had a bit of an embarrassing experience with Lucy yesterday. Oh god, wow. We went to Bluewater. Shout out to Bluewater. Yeah, shout out to Bluewater. So we went to Bluewater to get the kids some holiday drip before we go away, right?

Buffet wear type of thing. Pardon? Buffet wear. Yeah, buffet wear, yeah. You have that look for the buffet. Do you break your clothes up into like, okay, that's a buffet look, that's a dinner outfit? Well, I've come under a little bit of fire, friendly fire from the family actually. Oh really?

For me not packing appropriately. There's a joke, a running joke with the family that last year I packed like an idiot. Yeah because you're, this is the thing, you're a villa guy if you know what I mean? And all of a sudden you're in a hotel. Two different worlds man. Two different worlds, two different cultures here. Yeah, okay. Like yeah, it's, you've got to be careful.

Alright, okay. No, sometimes, no. Sometimes I forget I do a podcast with the Rick Rubin of Holiday. Anyway. What, the mistake I made last year was I packed a lot of over shirts and stuff. Over shirts?

Yeah. Okay. Because I was thinking about dressing up smart for dinner, I was thinking about dressing up smart for dinner. But then what happened was the temperature had not dropped sufficiently. Yeah. So I would say, rough estimate, 11, 12 things I just didn't wear. Took all the way there, didn't wear. All nearly over shirts and jeans. Yeah. So. Where did you go?

Huh? Greece. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So where did you go? Huh? Greece. Okay. So anyway, I've come under a bit of fire for that. So this year I've got, you know, what I'm packing is being monitored quite closely. What, by the whole family? Yeah, because they want more like banter. Do you know what I mean? I just get ripped the whole day.

Like blue water the whole day they're getting ripped. What about that? What about when you took that, Dad? When do you think you're going to wear that? Why did you take four hoodies, Dad? Are you... So what's the looks? What's the looks you got?

So because your buffet wear, I always think it's got to be quite a chilled sort of... Like a pair of basketball shorts, nice t-shirt, flip-flops, Crocs, Addy Crocs. Then you've got your pool lounge wear. You might go out for a nice lunch, probably twice. How long are you going for? Two and a half weeks. Two and a half weeks, okay. That's probably four times you need nice out.

Nice, loose fit shirt. Little bit of linen, linen's gonna be your friend. Evening wise, if you're still in Greece, don't be a do-no-go shirt, find your... No, I know that. Yeah, a nice sort of oversized t-shirt, pair of linen trousers, little pair of flip-flops, pair of white kicks.

Theo, wire at Bluewater, informed me that he's very firmly, and this is going to be quite controversial, anti-co-ord. Oh wow. I was surprised as well. I've actually got a few co-ord sets now. Me too, I've got some co few Colts sets now. Me too. I've got some Colts ready for the holiday. Well he said that, had he seen you buy them?

No. We were just talking about them. He's not aggy. He just went, I'm not really into Colts. But that is quite firm from him. So I said to him, why not? And he said, I just feel like put your look together rather than sort of having it done for you.

Well, that's a big statement. That's a big statement, yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing his outfits, because if he doesn't come correct, I'm going to absolutely rinse him at the buffet. Yeah, but I'm going to tell you now, there's one person I do not worry about when it comes to the buffet, Theo.

He hasn't thought about this. That's a good point. By the way, you know what, could also be your friend. What? Cool football shirts. Yeah. Yeah, that could be a nice little vibe, a little Arsenal vibe.

Yeah. Because now you're getting to the point where your hair could be like quite a small little ponytail or a top knot. Yeah. So yeah, that could look quite cool around. You can't even get it out, can you, because you're so pleased with what you're saying.

No, no, no. It's really disgusting to watch somebody, it's one thing to laugh at your own joke, to not be able to deliver the joke, because you're laughing so much as you're saying it really pathetic I Just think I'm like a cool little ponytail and like an asshole chef. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Good look quite cool. So anyway, I got into an embarrassing thing. Well, okay, and it's a real sign of ego actually

Yeah from you from from me I And it's a real sign of ego actually. Yeah from you or from me? I I'm not gonna name the company, but I think you should no no this company has done nothing wrong But I don't want to promote something just needlessly. Well, I think it's nice to promote things if you can They've done an incredible line of golf wear. It'll look cool on holiday. Look cool on and off the course Whether you are shooting 18 or just chilling in the nursing home stroke bar, hit it up and rock it. I'm going to give you guys a little behind the scenes thing. If you watch Takeshi's Castle, if you've watched any of that on Amazon, you will know that Tom referred to the green liquid

in one of the games as Mountain Dew. He said it a couple of times to the Green Liquid in one of the games as Mountain Dew. He said it a couple of times, to the point where Amazon decided to look into whether they could say Mountain Dew. And at which point we were told, you've said Mountain Dew a few times, please don't continue to say it. After that warning, I reckon Tom said it 75 times. Rough estimate.

To the point where midway through one of our bits of commentary, the gallery, we just heard on the speaker, stop saying Mountain Dew! Well, the next day we got in and there was a lawyer from Amazon who was there basically because they got him. And then I started laughing and then Ramesh was like, and then someone said, look Ramesh, is there a way if you stop stopping Tom from saying about the Mountain Dew? And Ramesh said, I remember exactly,

you turned around and said, if you think having a lawyer here or getting me to stop him is gonna make him refrain from that, this is the worst call ever because he's just gonna say it more and more and more. And I'll be saying, we could have all earned a fortune out of Mountain Dew. Yeah, we could have done, yeah. And Mountain Dew if you're listening.

But anyway, look, this brand that you love. Anyway, so it's a pillow. There's this pillow. So you're Josh Ridicam and you're taking your own pillow? No, I'm not taking my own pillow. This is for home. But this is really not, and I don't sleep, I've not been sleeping, well sleep is an ongoing issue. So anyway, I'd read about this pillow being really nice. So I said to Lisa, why don't you get one of these pillows? I'm in this, by the way, I'd read about this pillow being really nice. Yeah, so I said to Lisa

Why don't you get one of these pillows? I'm in this by the way. I'm in with you here Okay, you know when you're you're Catherine's what you looking at on your phone? Yeah, and you are like googling like best pillow for so saying man. So I said to Lisa Why don't we get before just before we go? Why don't we get one of these pillows each right nice now? The trip was under a little bit of pressure because one of these pillows each, right? Nice. Now the trip was under a little bit of pressure because Theo had been asleep over the night before.

We went to pick him up on the way to Bluewater. When he informed us, he had not got to sleep till 5 a.m. So we're dealing with a fragile member of the party here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of pressure on getting this done quick and getting out of here, right? He's been very gracious about it, but he was struggling. So we get to the end of the shopping,

and I say, let's go back and get this pillow. By the way, you know what? Yeah. How old is he, at 40? 30. 14. 14. Christ, man.

If you could go back, those sleepovers, that laughter. Oh, man. The memories of just everyone just getting on and laughing and sort of the first kiss and that, and I'd just be on my own in the Corner sort of watches and then somebody go could you leave actually but rather you didn't stay the night Had to go and sort of sleep in with the sort of mom and dad who ever sleeping with the sort of mum and dad who he ever was.

Do you know what, I'll fuck up and crash in here. Should I sit on the end of the bed? Sorry, just a little thing. It's got a little bit rambunctious down there. F***ing anyone who'll come near him. Can I just sleep on, I'll sleep on this little futon at the end. I can position, I'll curl up on this poof. Did you have the thing there where, it was like the literally worst thing in the world,

I remember going to sleep first at one of those. Yeah, that's a mystery. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Apple core down the pants. Drawn all over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody's farted in your face. Yeah, it was awful.

Yeah, then try and put your hand, one hand in warm water, one hand in cold water. No, I didn't. Did you piss yourself? No, I didn't. No, they tried for ages. And then in the end, they dragged me and put me in the garden. That's when I woke up. Yeah, it's horrible, isn't it?

And this is the worst. This is so tragic. This is like, they basically, I'd sort of woken up when I put my fingers in the water, but I sort of thought it's too humiliating to wake up at this point So you stayed, you pretended to be asleep I pretended to be asleep And then someone said let's throw him in the pond, right? At which point you went

No, no, I didn't, I thought I'll make myself heavy so they can't pick me up I'll make myself heavy Yeah, so you do that thing where you sort of like Proper dead weight yourself But they still managed to get me up and they were sort of dragging me through like I was in my boxer shorts and sort of like Superman t-shirt whatever dragging me through the sort of house and then sort of out the back door and I

could feel the fact that I was getting near and near the pond and then I sort of came to what's going on and they all sort of dropped me and ran off and left me in the garden it was yeah it was quite Yeah. You tell Theo never to be that kid. Actually, warn all your boys never to be that kid. Yeah, I was too. But I can't imagine Theo as a king and a sleepover, right? He's had a great time. So apparently so, but I mean, you know, kids of that age,

they don't tell you that much about what we're not. Yeah, of course, yeah. It's like he's working on secret service. He had a little bit of white crusting around his nostrils and stuff. So I assume it went all right. Anyway, so at the end of it, we're like, we've got the stuff, you know, the boys have got the stuff they want, whatever. I says, Lee, should we go get these pillows, right?

And I am, the whole day, a little bit conscious of the fact that I'm forcing this, I'm pushing this, right? Because Lisa's not said she's keen on them. She's sort of going along with it. So I've started to build up a little bit of Embattled a little bit of I'm feeling like I'm the only one that wants to do this So there's a bit of not resentment, but there's a bit of something you talking about I've talked about it a little bit over the last few weeks right during the day. I'm going we must remit it Yeah, it's all well and good getting the boys close you You remember the real reason we're here is the pillows, darling. You ought to get those pillows. Yeah, look.

You ought to get them pillows. That is closer to what happened than I'd like to admit, right? So anyway, we walk over, and I feel like I'm, I do feel like I'm forced to say it like we get to the shop, and they've said, by the way, to just really make this look as sad as possible, this is our second visit to the shop. I've gone in to do a recce initially. Right, and asked a couple of questions. Is it across beds? Have they got a shop there? No.

Okay. So then they've gone, and then I've said, should we try, are we allowed to try them out? And they said we'd encourage it actually. Wow. Okay. Just because I've got like- I think it's weird when you try out a bed or, because you can't actually sleep there, can sleep there Can you know but it's just a sort of basically just to see how it feels, right? So Anyway, we go we go we'll try out when we get back So we go back and then I say to Lisa

Shall I we walk into the shop and I go shall I try it first or should do you want to try first? Are you cool with this and And she says, because Lisa as you know, very shy, she doesn't like any attention at all. She's gone to me, I just want to get this over as quickly as possible. And now you're a big time pillow guy, you're basically, the salesman's coming up with pillow stats, you're basically then sort of going toe to toe with them like trump cards. No, I wouldn't go quite that far, but it's bad. Yeah. Oh, this is the feather luxe. Yeah, the feather luxe is good, that far, but it's bad. Yeah, he's not, uh, oh, this is the, uh, this guy, this guy. This is the feather luxe. Yeah, the feather luxe is good, isn't it?

It's good, it's good. Has he got memory foam there, is it, James? The guy, the guy that's given me the spiel knows that he's pushing on an open door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, put it that way. Right. There's no doorman on this bar.

No. Come in, come in. So I go, should we try them out? Like do you want to go first or should I go first? And Lisa goes to me, let's just, I just want to get this over as quickly as possible. Right? Now. Can I also say, Lisa is a pretty stoic woman as well. Yeah, she is. She's not, like this is, you're like, can we get this over and done with? Right, I can't imagine. Lisa's a person who sat for five hours in traffic

to come to have Christmas dinner with us. Lisa is, you've really oversold this. Yeah, so what Lisa meant in that moment, right? Yeah, she didn't want to lie in a bed. Yeah, she's embarrassed, right? So did you make the three boys stand that way, you know? Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean,

I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean Lisa meant in that moment, right? Yeah, she didn't want to lie in her bed. Yeah, in front, yeah, she's like embarrassed, right? So did you make the three boys stand that while you tried out the pillows? Mate, listen, let me tell you something, right? Those three boys, they've got all the stuff they wanted,

they're stood there with bubble teas, they can fucking watch their dad try a pillow for two minutes, all right? Oh, God. So anyway, this gets worse. Oh, God. Because, right, Lisa said that, and I've taken that to mean she resents all of my chat about pillows.

And I go, and Tom, this is so embarrassing. I don't know if you can relate to this. I went, oh, let's not bother doing it then. Just leave it. Oh, wow. Okay, okay. I just don't worry about it. Let's just leave it.

So you went snarky. I went snarky. I walked out of the shot. Oh, my God. In front of the salesman. No, he wasn't he'd like he was at the bit This wasn't I would not do that in front of so that is I would say I do draw a line at that I would not fucking have a public like so I just go I just go I don't worry about let's just go Let's just go but he says what you do. What do you mean? And I go no, I didn't write you know, if you don't want to do it, don't do it seriously

I don't want to bully you to get a new pillow. Seriously, I don't want to bully you into getting a new pillow, mate. Yeah, I mean, that's almost a fucking direct quote. Oh my God. It was bad. I mean, like Lisa sort of goes to me, Rom, I just mean that like, I just want to get the trying pillow. Also, for Theo, this is hard. Because he's really tired, you're sort of like,

you've put him into a fucking shot full of beds. Yeah, yeah. He's almost like flirting with him in a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I sort of, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I sort of, yeah. I don't like the phrasing, but yeah. Yeah, all right, no, don't dangling the camera.

It's like Theo's looking at all these beds and going, oh, fuck it, I'd love to know how many of these. So anyway, we then go back in, we buy the pillow. You went back in? Yeah. After you stormed out in front of everyone. It wasn't a storm out, it was a walk away.

Mate, mate, can I say, you've been, this is, so you went in the shop three times, you went in, had a record, left, went back in, stormed out, and then went back in again. Yes, correct. By the way, you could have just gone in, you knew the pillow you wanted and the first time you're going, I fucking just get it. Yeah, I know. But the reason I did it the first time, I didn, I fucking just get it. Yeah, I know.

The reason I did it the first time, they don't want to carry those pillows around the whole day shopping. Yeah, of course, I get that. You know what you can do is buy them and then set off and you just keep them. Yeah, but I just thought, what's the point? They're not going to fucking run out of pillows, are they? Do you want me to just come back later?

But then, yeah. And then I always think if you go back and they've run out, it's a sign. You weren't supposed to have it. So anyway, so. I think there's quite a few signs that maybe, yeah. Anyway, so we get the pillows. I felt have it. So anyway, so. I think there's quite a few signs that maybe, yeah. Anyway, so we get the pillows. I felt so bad.

You know what? Usually I would have your back on some of those. Do you know when you have that moment of empathy? Well, I don't know either of you to have this, but you just look at your other half and you just go, you do put up with a lot, don't you? I just felt so sorry for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I just said, Lisa, I said, like, I don't know what to say, I just made a dick of myself there. I said, it's so embarrassing. I said, my behavior is so embarrassing. And she said to me, she was trying to make me feel better, but she didn't realize what she, sometimes I think she doesn't know me.

She went, well, it's not like that's the most embarrassing thing you've ever done, is it? Wow, wow. Well, to be fair, you deserve that. I do deserve it. Yeah, and actually I've started this with an apology. I'm gonna end it with an apology Lisa Ranganathan, I'm really sorry for my behavior. Can I just ask something? This might actually sort of curry favor for you. Hmm. Has she used the pillow and has she subsequently enjoyed it?

That's there. I can give you a great report. Okay, I Went upstairs. I was about to say, debug the pillows. Yeah, easy, easy. Set them up. I say set them up, it's pillows. I can't believe I'm trying to take credit for that. Listeners. You put two new sheaths on the pillows.

Yes. Listeners, the reports are positive. So just quickly, what is the name of the pillow? You should name the pillow brand. Tempur. Oh wow, you brand. Tempur. Oh wow, you went with Tempur? Yeah. Okay.

That's cool. Oh, why have we got that one? Tempur's amazing, no? Okay, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know Bosch Beds, he does similar sort of, Tom Skinner does a similar sort of thing. I know, I know, because he did an Instagram post

and he'd brought them around to your house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we've not had a problem with them. That'd be nice, Bosch Beds. Yeah, yeah, you got a massive discount, didn't you, in exchange for posts, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got a massive discount didn't you for an exchange for postings. Yeah, yeah. Some people would put hashtag out or get it, you didn't bother. That's cool, listen he doesn't give a fuck about social media regulations. Okay, let's... Lisa, listen, I'm sorry. He got your

baby, he loves you, you know. How's Leo now by the way? He went babe, he loves you, you go. And how's the O now, by the way? He passed out in the car. Nice. Then he did something incredible, fell asleep for another two hours, like as soon as we got home, or an hour and a half, got up, we played some board games, as we always do on a Sunday in the rank and a half. And then went to bed, he was totally fine.

Went straight to sleep. I thought he was gonna be staring down the barrel of a 3 a.m. finish, but he didn't. Oh nice. Do we do, JT, do we do the closers when we're face to face? Let's do a close up. I don't know what I'm doing here, but um... Young Fioranka Nathan, a boy with a dream. Maybe not dreaming as much as he used to. Alas,

this boy is becoming a man. Adam's apple is growing stronger and harder. That fresh face is now becoming more weathered, a beard grows upon it. That's the thing about life. We grow, we sculpt, we move, we shape. But it's very easy to not look at your watch or concentrate on the time that flies beneath your feet. To not even concentrate on the clouds that turn into a blue sky, near the sun that turns into the moon, friends. Little moments, intrinsic seconds, they're the things that count. Maybe for Ramesh sitting here right now and talking to us all about the shopping trip

that he'll remember with loads of angst. Might be the memory that Theo has of washing. Are you okay? Have you totally lost it? Chilling out after his first French kiss. Oh my god. That's why you lost it. It was a special day.

Maybe Theo was going to tell his dad about Bravely, but then his dad fell into an episode where he was obsessed with pillows. But the point is this, right? Life is a continuous journey that sometimes goes a little slower and sometimes gets a little faster. And sometimes you're staring down at a dog that's just run through your legs and you can't find anymore. It's not about looking for the dog. It's about not letting it go.

It's about holding on to the lead, given their little bit of length, it's about remembering That although we're just passing through none of us own anything We all have a place where we are right now shout the orang-an-ang thing. I'm here if you need me, bro Okay, it was Well, listen that's something that needs to be studied and I imagine at some point in the future they'll look back on it and go That closing thought was probably the first sign JT, can you play us out with a little bit of Georgia Smith, a beautiful song called Little Things? Thank you guys. I know Tom's gonna love it. Do you ever listen to the songs, Spock?

Not really. Okay, cool. See you next time guys, Spock. You again think this must be a sign Nothing you said, it was all in your eyes Can I get close even for just one time? There's a little thing that get me high Won't you come with me and spend the night? If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com. That's wolfalpod.gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you, mainly because we don't have any content ideas. Thank you.