Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 44: Friday Bonus with the Lupo E Gufo

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

Friday time = bonus time! So, we kick things off with a chat about international podcast adverts and an Italian version of the Wolf & Owl - Lupo E Gufo. Then it’s onto your emails and we answer questions about making use of leftover food, an awkward case of being called the wrong name, and if we’d like to change our pasts so that we met our wives sooner. There’s also plenty of the usual digressions like thoughts on bow ties, brilliant bakeries, Rom’s reheated rice and some nasty food poisoning. Thanks for all your messages - keep them coming at [e-mail] Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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They'll grant you all last requests to steady your nerves Then podcast a body parts, get severed and served Bring your weak shit, wear the wolf and owler That ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing the murder like they rolled in with a gang of crows Fuck their censorship, let em see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Welcome to the Wolf and Our Bonus episode, Ramesh Ranganay from Tom Davis. Every word in his songs about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog Welcome to the Wolf and Our Bonus episode Ramesh Ranganay from Tom Davis

Just delivering some extra ting ting ting ting ting ting ting ting Yo can I say something by the way? I'd love you to This is the main thing Because if you decided not to Just quickly before we get into the emails A friend of mine was traveling recently around Europe and he was listening to The Wall For Now.

I didn't realize, right, if you go into different territories, our adverts change. Oh, do they? So he downloaded the episodes over here and then he was in France, he was in Italy, right? When he was in Italy, he was listening to an episode and all the adverts were Italian adverts.

Makes sense, doesn't it? Yeah, but he's like, I wonder who's listening. If you're listening to our podcast, it's still us. We haven't gotten a version of it that's all Italian. I mean, what would it be called to walk for now in Italian? Just quickly. Tom, I'm sort of slightly amazed that you think this is a revelation Yeah, but what but who's who's listening to this guy?

I wish these could be that question is nobody but if you're in Italy and you listen to the podcast which is Unlikely and if there is anybody in Italy who's like leaves it The wolf it out in Italian Lupo a guffo guffo I kind of want to move to Italy and there's four cars just so that you're noticed so if you go for Italy you'd be called a guffo. I wouldn't be called a guffo because a is and. Oh yeah. I'll be called guffo. Let me just see the guffo. No, it'd be Il. Il guffo. Il guffo. Okay great. That's quite a cool name actually. Yeah. If I was going to get, I might get that tattooed actually,

just a little tat, Il Gaffo. Yeah, I'd love you to do that. What a terrible start this has been. But anyway, the point is, it does make sense that the address, I mean, what would be amazing is if they'd suddenly like, you suddenly heard us in Italian, that would be incredible.

But yeah, that'd be mad. I mean, that'd be incredible. But also, no, but if you're listening to it, you've got English, you're listening because you speak English, and all of a sudden it must throw you out. And it's like, you know. If you're in Italy,

and you happen to listen to an English language podcast, you don't want adverts from English stuff, do you? You want Italian adverts. Yeah, but a lot of our adverts, you know, there's not many that are very specifically British. No, but I don't think they're talking about the red ads. There are other ads that come in, aren't there? Oh, OK, OK. I just need to find...

Sorry, this has not been selected, but it's an email that I saw, because it's made me... While we're here, by the way, we're going to jump on this football thing. We need to jump on it. We realise that time is running out. We're going to have to... There's a couple of places that have reached out. I know that Romesh is across this more than I am,

but we need to, we will get on top of this this week. We will, yeah. Okay. This has led to a lot of conversations for me this week with various people. It's off the back of your announcement, not announcement announcement your anecdote

Last week. Yeah about this you by the way Lisa when she found out you came to wake us place What not happy? Really? Yeah. Oh god. She said it's like 15 minutes away from us said I know She said like did he did he think about like maybe? Asking us if we wanted to go to wake us place and I said no he didn't turns out So well as Lisa my darling my girl was sweet Yeah, but I thought I'd eat to take least Lisa roller skating with the family for this anyway You told the story about how?

This couple that and I hope beyond hope they don't listen to the podcast but that they took chips off a plate. I know they don't yeah I wasn't as bold as to I dropped that lightly there was a conversation with me and Catherine. Okay so this is from the Pottering Giraffe okay long time law listener here love you and what you do I'm sure I can't be the only one who thought your chat about friends eating food scraps was funny, but also a little unfair. Of course we have our own feelings about this subject that make sense to us and we should all do as we see fit.

So with this in mind, I feel like you slipped into being a bit unfair when you called it a red flag that friends Tom was with had eaten from a leftover plate of food. I don't see the problem myself. Most of us will happily eat from a friend's plate and some of us will have worked in kitchens and eaten scraps from customers leftovers when plates are collected with meals not fully eaten. Will they? I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't know that was a thing either. I didn't ever think that I left food on a plate in a restaurant and that someone would

eat it when it went into the kitchen. I was always under the impression that you were fed if like you worked in a kitchen without having to go and go oh this guy's left some lasagna. I've got bugsies that bugsies, shotgun that lasagna. I can't believe that's commonplace. Anyway the difference here is that the people leaving food were unknown to you and the food had been left on the plate for an unknown amount of time. I would suggest that the likelihood is that the strangers leaving the food were almost like everyone else and hadn't spat over their leftovers or eaten what they had with fingers covered in shit. The food had probably been sat around for half an hour maximum, meaning little chance for passing psychopaths to spray arsenic on it in the hope that someone ingests the poison.

Your friends who ate the food were stopping good food from being thrown away, saving a bit of cash and simply making use of a resource as a situation presented to them. Look, can I say by the way, can I just interact here? They'd spent money, they weren't like saving money. They brought their kids food they didn't want to eat and this table had chips. So it wasn't a matter of them saving money. So obviously you do you, but also don't you think let them do a victimless act without feeling judgment over that potential to become better friends. Said with love, as I would if this was a conversation having amongst a group of my friends, I'm so happy to you two humans exist and for what you create together. Love the Potter and the Giraffe. Now, okay,

off the bat- The number one, I enjoy this kind of discussion, Potter and Giraffe, and I will say this because I think it's always good to have another side of things, right? I, first start, as we've just, I can't fathom this, that has shocked me to my core that you send, like you finish your meal and you might have something left over and people would eat it. Number one, it worries me the fact that if you're working in a restaurant or a hotel or whatever, you should,

probably, I've always assumed that you'd probably be getting fed anyway, right? As part of working there, you should probably, I've always assumed that you'd probably be getting fed anyway, right? As part of working there, you would be given a dinner or food that you wouldn't have to be eating. I just can't fathom why that's a thing. I sort of, I respect your argument. I think that as always, there's two sides to every story. But that for me is insane to pick food off another table's plate and start eating it Okay, I just want to say in front of in front by the way people you've just met. Yeah Look, it doesn't matter if you've just met these people or not. Okay, then doesn't matter if those people Those people have taken people they've just met to someone that's very near to some very close friends of theirs that haven't bothered to invite

This thing okay, that's that's very near to some very close friends of theirs that haven't bothered to invite to this thing. That's by the by. Okay. I feel like if you don't mind me saying, Pottering Giraffe, you slightly taking us as being a bit more vicious than we are being about this. I'd love to know people's take on this. First of all, I've worked in kitchens, not as a chef or anything, obviously I've not got the required skills, but I've done like plate clearing and stuff like that. Well mate, you've not done any painting, but you're doing art, hey? Yeah, exactly. Shut the fuck up, that's going to get quoted. Right?

I, it never occurred to me to take the food off the plates of... I just would never do it. And I just feel like most people wouldn't. As for like, a passing psychopath to spray arsenic on it or fingers covered in shit, fine I take your point but you've not seen what's happened to that food. The kid might have sneezed on it, the kid might like somebody else might have licked their fingers and started eating, like I just you don't know what's happened to that food. Like COVID wasn't there. Also, can I say, I'm not classed as any dispersion. That for me, if you're going out for a day where you're meeting friends and it's like,

you don't know these people very well, that's a bold move. And I'm sorry, I just don't think socially it's a fucking cool thing to do. It's just like eating food. But Tom, it's not even socially. It's just the principle of eating off. I can't, I'm sorry, I cannot believe that most people think this is like a thing to do. Can people get in touch?

I don't think most people, otherwise, otherwise essentially, no, but otherwise essentially the world just becomes a big buffet. Where does it stop? I walk in and I order a pizza, I look over and you're eating, I don't know, you're eating some chilli fries. I go, fancy some chili fries and I just start eating off your plate. By the way, they weren't it wasn't She could have got up and brought some more chips. Those people have left that food. It's just nuts. It's crazy I think it's weird and I May I say by the way a very well written email and I respect your opinion. Yeah, same. Like that is. Same. Absolutely. This is not a dig at you, Pottering Giraffe, but it's just the fact, I just don't, I find it very-

And by the way, it blows my mind, but I'm also like, if that is the thing that, I'm just fascinated now, because is that a thing that we don't know about, that people eat leftovers with? Maybe we're out of touch and we've tightly lost it, we've become stuck up twats. But I stuck up Twats, but I mean I get listen what I do get is that restaurants waste a lot of food and there is a strong argument That a lot of this food wastage could be put to better use and I say some places do that. That's one thing

Eating half-eaten meals. I thought I find it incredible Like what if someone's picked their nose picked up a chip? I don't I'm sorry. I don't get it. I do not get it. But I might be wrong. Look, we might be completely wrong here. It feels like time for a JT poll, JT. JT, it's a JT poll. Get the poll on, boy. Get the poll on, my friend. Poll coming Friday. Alright get the pole on boy get the pole on my friend

Because it will genuinely if this is what if most people think that's okay, it will stay I'll be staggered Staggered I tell you and I I can't email in so the wife an hour gmail.com. That's the wrong address, but it's but I cannot Think of the last time I staggered, but this would stagger me. Yeah. I genuinely would be so staggered. I'm boom blasted by it. Yeah, absolutely bamboozled and collywobbled by it, to be honest with you. I'm absolutely shit thumped by it.

Honestly, I'm totally fuck wangled by it. I don't even know what being shit th thump tears, but it fucking sounds absolutely crazy Okay, this is from The stinky crackle. I know what that is Dear wolf, al swan and cat have on've got an awkward social predicament that I hope you guys can help me out with. My real name is Joe and as it's customary of being called... Whoa Joe! Yes Joe my friend, one of my favourite names. Okay and as it's customary of being called Joe, I've occasionally been given the nickname Joey.

However the use of this nickname... Oh like from friends. Is this going to happen throughout the thing because then I'll prepare myself. No, no, no, no. This is straight away a very engaging email. That's what I'm saying. For some reason, whenever anyone calls me this, it doesn't sit right with me.

It just feels strange and over familiar. This is where my predicament lies. Recently, my sister got married. My sister is one of the few people who is able to give me this nickname and it feels right and comfortable. The issue is that she's been referring to me as Joey in front of her now husband for basically their entire relationship to the point where whenever I see him, he calls me

Joey because he believes this is how I prefer to be addressed by everyone. I haven't ever corrected him on this as I never really thought of it as a huge issue. I'm not massively skilled in the social department. Skip to the wedding and my sister's husband is introducing me as Joey to essentially his entire extended group of family and friends. Oh wow. From siblings and parents to groomsmen and distant cousins. Obviously don't have the bravery or gall

to tell him that I prefer to be called Joey at his own wedding, so I let this runaway train continue demolishing my comfort levels. Before long I'm getting shouts from groomsmen of, oh, oi oi Joey, you've ordered the vegetarian meal, right? And liking the bow tie Joey, left, right and center, and I just feel the familiar pang of cringe and awkwardness every time I get called.

Can I just say by the way, Joe, I think you're a don, bro. This is such a beautiful ema. So well written. And I just feel the particular perfuner pang of cringe and awkwardness every time I get called Joey by someone I met an hour ago. My quandary is, how can I now let my sister's husband know, in a socially adept way, that I prefer to be called Joe? It's been made harder to address

due to the fact that I never particularly know where I stand with this guy. We're perfectly friendly with one another. We have quite different communication cells. He has what I call secondary school PE teacher vibes. Wow. Which put me on edge slightly. I just don't know how to approach these situations. If you two sweet, sweet souls have got any advice, it would be hugely appreciated. Keep doing the good work. You're sincerely the stinky caracal. Tom Davis. Joe, Joe, Joe.

One day I hope to call you Joey friend, but I won't be as presumptuous to as call you that until we shake a hand, share the pint, and a plate of chips. Listen to the foregone email. Actually, weirdly, Joe, my friend, we've actually been through this, actually. There's a couple me and Katherine recently, right? So, when I first met Katherine, she was called Kat.

That's what I called her, Kat. She was always, what she called herself, kind of thing. Or, you know, it's what I was. And so when I'd introduce her to friends of mine, I'd say, oh, this is Kat. I think even you call her Kat, right? Yes, I do, yeah. Do you call her Kat or do you call her Kath? Why, should I not call her Kat?

Yeah, no, no, so this is the quandary, right? So we were out with friends recently, and on the way back she said, I've noticed that they both call me Kat. And I was like, yeah, yeah, so, you know, and she was like, I sort of prefer Kathrine and we've been together now for a long time so I was like really and she was like yeah I don't know why everyone calls me Cat I was like well I've always introduced you to people as you being Cat and so I didn't realize it

was such a and she's like yeah but my name is Katherine and you know when we were first together I was 20 I think what 26 you know yeah maybe 25 and and and now I feel like a Katherine I'm a mama yeah uh and I just sort of slightly so I'm now like oh okay and I was like has this been a thing for a while she's like yeah no no yeah it's been for quite a while so like my thing now is I start talking about her and calling her Catherine, right? Other people that were slightly now, people would go, okay Catherine, you know, I think, so my thing would be Joe, would be saying to your sister, listen, like the Joey thing, like me and you together. By the way, can I say, I completely understand this because I find it a thing of

The a at the end of the the name could be a really like it could be matey But at times it can almost feel I don't condescending is the right word or patching I've got mate you sometimes calls me Tommy. I'm not Tommy. That's you know, I've got mate. He's called Tommy He owns Tommy, but I'm not like that's there's never always been Tom, but when he calls me Tommy He says it in such a way, he goes, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, and you're like, you're doing this, huh? Is he waking you up? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Why are you asleep at the wheel? So I get the somebody we're gonna own this I think that might my advice would be sit down your sister

Nice coffee if you're gonna do it in the next week or so, but I suggest a lovely iced coffee coffee or frappuccino You know something relaxing cool, maybe a muffin break open a muffin together cut in half and share it and say listen sis muffin, break open a muffin together, cut in half and share it and say, listen, sis, I'm speaking from the heart now because I adore you. But like when we're together, call me Joey. But I hate it when other people are calling me Joey. I don't like it. It's that's an us thing. It's a brother and sister thing.

And I think if she starts calling you Joe, I don't think I think her husband will. I think it sounds like a husband with the kind of guy he is. And this is nothing against him. I've never met a man. I don't want I think her husband will I think I sounds like a husband with the kind of guy he is and this is Nothing against him with no mental man. I don't want to judge him They curse him with no words of malice, but I think that um, I think that he will follow suit I think he will he seems like the kind of guy who just fall into line if she if if she's like Joe this Joe That he'll go. Oh shit. We've changed attacks and we're calling him Joe now and that would just be it. I don't yeah I think that that's a bit that's that's the kind of Ilkov man I think we've got so I'd say a nice chat

and Joe can I just say this and I haven't said it for a while but listen to that email it just fills my heart to join as a guy like you out there yeah doing his work and just being a sweet, sweet soul. Because bro, keep doing you, you're an angel, bro. Yeah, I would sort of, I'll probably use different phrasing, but yes, I back those sentiments. Joe, first of all, you haven't said it in your email, but you're not overreacting. I just want to be clear on this. You deserve to be called what you want to be called.

Also, by the way, Ron, remember you're talking to a fellow vegetarian straight vegan, so you've got a kinship with this guy, so don't go too hard. Yeah, what? Not in the vegetarianism, the parchon for bow ties. Parchon, it's penchon, it's ponchon. the the passion for bow ties. Parshon it's pension is pension. Oh, fuck me. Anyway, bow ties are sick by the way.

I respect it. If I see someone at a wedding with a bow tie, I'm like, I'm spending all night with you because you're a fucking rule breaker. Bow ties are like, I can't wear one. I can't wear one. My head's too big.

What do you mean? I've got too big. My head's too big. It's just, they look ridiculous. My body's too, I'd have to get one. I can't wear one. My head's too big. What do you mean? I've got too big, my head's too big. It's just they look ridiculous. My body's too yellow. I imagine you look like a... I'd have to get one. And I've said to you... You with a bow tie would look like sort of a snack logo.

Yeah. Yeah. If I want to wear a bow tie, I've got to go to a joke shop and buy a clown one and it looks in proportion. Will they like spurts? But actually that'd be quite a cool thing to do at wedding, actually, if you get one of those ones that squirts out water.

Okay. Joe, I think Tom, basically Tom's advice is right. I think you need to talk to your sister about it. The wedding is done, and hopefully, I'm assuming if you're at a wedding, you're not gonna see a lot of these people again, but that's, I wouldn't go as far as to get in touch with all those people and say it's Joe.

But I think your sister and her husband should know that when they're introducing you publicly, it's Joe. And I think that's a reasonable thing. And you might get, look, I think it's possible your sister will go, you're making a big deal about nothing, but you're not. So I have a similar thing with Lisa where just in the house, she calls me c*** and it's just something that obviously... You know, our relationship's got to a point

where that's what she feels like she wants to call me. But obviously when, you know, yesterday, I went to meet Lisa at the park with the boys, they're playing football with some other kids, and then her mates come up and, oh, hello, ****. And to be honest with you, it feels a bit... It actually just is a bit of a digression. Obviously, everything I just said is not true, but...

Lisa's... She... I walked into... So, I finished... I did the Radio 2 show yesterday. Then I went to meet Lisa at the park with the boys. And I popped into Coughlin's, who are now open in Crawley. What... My God. Shout out to Coughlin's! My God. Wow. What my god God Sure, who runs Coughlin's adores you legend of the game my favorite Baker

Yeah, well tell you what you've done for him, right? He realized he had ADHD from listening to this podcast because you talked about your ADHD and the symptoms you were having, and he was like, that sounds a lot like me. Got himself checked out and it turns out he's got it. So... Sean, there's a handshake here waiting for you, bro.

I'd love to sit with you, have a yum yum look you in the eye and say you, my friend, are my new brother. Okay. Could I say by the way, you don't like your saying about nicknames for the house? If you listen to this, I know he does're saying about Nick Manzies and how he does this to the podcast? Just, that is lovely what Tom said, but you're also the fifth person he said that to today

and it's 20 past nine. Can I just say, you know a sweet nickname that Lisa could have given you? Sweet Knuckle. What is it? Why? I don't know, I just think it's a nice name, Sweet Knuckle. I don't know. I don't like it.

Anyway, I went over to the park after my visit to Coughlin's. Did you jog? No, I didn't jog. I walked. So hold up, did you have a foray of cakes and snacks from Coughlin's? I did, yeah. King of any party, friend. Yeah, absolutely.

What you're bringing there is an impromptu picnic. I respect that. No, no. That wasn't for everyone to start eating then and there. I was feeling very protective over the bag of goods I had. Anyway, turned up there and they started talking about my bout of food poisoning that I had five years ago

when we moved house. Maybe longer, 10 years ago, right? So they go How's your reading game Ramesh? Because we know you had a bit of problems with rice getting a takeaway don't get rice You know what happens if wrong be careful. What's happened? I don't even know about this Yeah, you don't know about this. What do you mean? She told me about this. Oh So when we are moving into our last house, yeah, not this one. So this is a long time ago. I reckon it was 2015.

Okay, so nine years ago. We got Chinese takeaway two days before we were due to move house. And then the next- So what day was it? Can you remember what day it was? I think it was a Friday. We got takeaway.

On the Saturday, why does that, why is that? Well, no, because you're gonna get food poisoning from rice and you say it's a Tuesday, I'll go, you fucking idiot. Why? Why are you getting a fucking, because the wireless has been sitting there all weekend, it's a slow day, they're not cooking fresh rice sometimes, you gotta be really careful, man.

So takeaways on Tuesdays is a lottery. I'm just telling you all, I love a takeaway, I adore a takeaway, really be careful. I can't say that strong enough to all of you out there. Be careful where you choose if you're gonna get a takeaway on Tuesday. Okay, are you finished? Yeah.

Okay, so we got the take on the Friday. The next day, we had some leftovers. I was talking to a friend on the phone, and I thought, and while I was sort of quite hungry, so I grabbed a bit of the takeaway, got some of the rice, stuck it in the microwave, start eating. As I'm eating, I'm thinking this doesn't taste quite right,

but I still finished it as I was on the phone, because my brain wasn't quite, I wasn't fully in the meal, right? I was sort of, I then had the worst food poison I've ever had in my life before or since. Both ends, fever, shivering, like shaking in bed. Anyway, the sympathy was, at least you and I have got differing opinions on how much sympathy was

doubt out. What it did mean was that I was useless on moving though. Yeah. And, you know, it's obviously Lisa's got a certain amount of sympathy for illness. What she's slightly, I guess, less sympathetic about is that I microwave rice a day before we move. Can I say, that's not the problem. You know what you've done? What? sympathetic about is that I microwave rice a day before I say that's not the problem you know what you've done you've you that's the third time that rice has been cooked so that's the kind to say if there's that this is pretty serious bro the one bit of your takeaway for anyone you never reheat is the rice because the

rice gets cooked in a batch then it gets reheated to send it out that's a to that's the second reheat third rehe reheat, you're playing a lottery, mate. You literally just could get it. So you've just interrupted me to say, can I just stop you? The problem isn't you reheating the rice. The problem is reheating the rice a third time, which is the same thing.

So what you're saying to me is- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I adore you, all right? But this isn't about you. This is about some other person who could be moving house or someone on the eve of a big fucking wedding or christening Oh, they say it in the worst frame of the world But maybe even a funeral and they get a takeaway the night before and then they're like in the morning of the funeral Or the wedding they go. Oh, I should've got that rice

What we're talking about mate isn't the soldiers that are fallen. We're talking about the people who are going out to battle now Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. Be careful of microwaving rice. That's all I'm saying to all my kids and my friends out there They're so easy. I'm also so I'm also saying yeah, but you're you're you're flipping and skirting around the matter mate Right what what I want you to remember next time that you stand about Just think of me and Ramesh on either shoulder and then just think of me going, do not have that, that's the third time this has been reheated.

Remember what happened to me with my diarrhea and sickness and fever. But that is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, okay. Okay, and then in the middle of me explaining that, before I've even got a chance to say that, you've jumped in with this fucking public health announcement. I Am saying do not microwave rice from a takeaway. Okay fundamental Do you know do what rubbish I had a terrible terrible time and not only do you know that now?

So do seemingly all of Lisa's friends. Oh, and it's like a thing that they talk about Where did that come up in conversation? Are these new friends or old friends? Not old old, but like she's been for this. Did you know them with diarrhea and sick gate happened? No, no, I'll tell you what's happened then one of them's term and I go oh god You know seems fuck what a laugh is Romesh and Lisa's got you wouldn't have said that if you'd seen him when we moved house ten years ago Yeah, I know What I don't understand is I'm telling a story and you're telling me what happened.

He's shit his guts though he's going to shit himself to death. Oh my god that's disgusting. He's got his way here from Coffin's. Oh god. It's very rare that Lisa and I have a discussion and go, do you know who I really want to get the final verdict on what actually happened here? Someone that wasn't fucking there ever. You know what I'd have said if I was one of Lisa's friends and if I get a time machine and like sort of or like one of those body morph things I'd sort of go back in future and sort of like become friends with Lisa at the school gate so I could hear the story. Go back to the future? Yeah yeah and then I'd sort of

like sort of like you know of like, you know, become one of Alicia's friends from the school, like a cool dad called Vinnie or something, right? That she tells, I'm around when she tells that story. So then I'm also at the park when you come walking in from the Coughlands. I'd turn around and go. So Vinnie, Vinnie, Vinnie is,

Vinnie has been at the school games. Yeah, yeah, I've got a son called. Yeah, he's not got kids. You've got a son. So where does the son come from? Oh, probably adopted. Might have to go further back in the future. So you go back in time, you'd adopt a child

so that you could avoid, so that you could help out with the situation. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. So I could hopefully get this joke across, right? I then get to a point where I'm with all the gaggle of mums and we're at the football and sort of Lisa's like, oh God, I think Romesh is on his way over. And so I see you coming across the green and you've got your bag of

Goods, I turn around and not really other moms. Okay. Oh, there's no rice in there. Mm-hmm The long walk, wasn't it? You remember what makes Mason said about the fear. Yeah. Anyway, Joe, you'll probably listen to this absolutely furious. The point is, you need to talk to your sister and her husband. And I hope that works out. You deserve to be called what you want to be called, my guy.

Yeah. OK, should we do one more? Yeah, one more quick one would be lovely. A beautiful one. Okay. Hi, Ron Tomswan. Restarted the pod for the second time. In your earlier episodes, you go on to talk about your challenges growing up and with women.

We got into a bit of a stick with trouble for this actually, if you remember, because we were a little bit inconsiderate, weren't we? Yeah, anyway. Now, you both have amazing families, but my question to you is this. Would you rather live the life you had before finding your loved ones, experiencing rejection and challenges,

would you rather skip those times and met the swan and cat sooner? Do you think your young years turned you into the people you are today? Do you and to the max, the porcupine? You haven't said to the max for ages. That was such a moment in our lives when you were like really smashing the max the porcupine you even said to the max for ages that was such a moment you know I think it was not trying to do a catchphrase and then I realized it didn't stick when we put out a t-shirt and it got fucking nowhere but

anyways listen the porcupine my friend I can my breath I would change a thing man, I think that it's, when I look back at all that rejection and the things that we've aforementioned on this, all of that sort of sculpts me to be a human being and that I think that the, and look to be honest, I think sometimes I look at that sort of stuff and it makes me chuckle when I think back at some of those times. And some of it was really difficult, some of it was tough, but if I look at a lot of people that I grew up with who had, and it would be,

you know, just kidding, should be easy, but I remember a lot of people who were guys who got the girl or who were amazing at sport or whatever, quite a lot of them I think found life was very easy very quickly and they thought that was always going to be the case. So when it came to getting jobs or it came to sort of trying different things and failing, I think they sometimes struggled a bit with failure and that was something that I was well-schooled in probably by the time I'd even started sort of secondary school, certainly. Failure and not being good at stuff, being the worst at something quite a lot of the time. So it's something that I was well-versed

in when it came to, certainly I think when it came to sort of starting to stand up and starting what I do now, going for auditions and I sort of joke about it, but it gave me a resilience in the fact that I've been told I was pretty useless from as long as I could remember really. So that wasn't news to me. It's never news to me. It's not something that happens and I go, oh, that's a bit of a surprise. I sort of, you know, and that probably gives me

a lot of this imposter syndrome in which I live. But the point is, it's, yeah, like I wouldn't, you know, I think like the person, you know, don't give a wham, I'm not perfect, you know, it's a considerable amount of therapy. But when I'm with caffeine wrong, I'm not perfect, it's considerable amount of therapy, but when I'm with Catherine is that I wouldn't have, I think at the point in my life I met her, I was ready to meet someone and hopefully be the person that I am now and I think at the time I've had grace in my life is the time that I think is the right time for me

to have done that. So yeah, I think things work out and I think you know I'm a believer that I think that like yeah you do have two ways of dealing with setbacks and any kind of sort of and moments of demoralization I think and the way of dealing with it for me has always been trying to sort of find the light in it and move forward. So yeah, I don't think I'd change much. I think it's, you know, unless like I can build a time machine in the aforementioned email and go back and the chances are if I could do that I probably would go back and I'd have met Rom earlier. That's probably one of my only regrets. I'd have liked to have had Rom in my life from school. I'd like to have moved to Crawley and had Rom at school. That'd have been fun. I'd have met Rom earlier, that's probably one of my only regrets. I'd have liked to have had Rom in my life from school.

I'd like to have moved to Crawley and had Rom at school. That would have been fun. I'd like to have a school life with Rom. Someone else to lose with, that would have been fun. Yeah, well thank you. It's very touching. I do, Paul Cupine, I do want to take this opportunity to say, I know that Tom and I, and this is kind of what I was alluding to earlier, we talk about getting rejected and stuff like that not being that popular with or not that successful with women none of that I should by

the way by the way say and I think what I should agree sorry to interject well it wasn't just with women by the way I think with people it was it wasn't a sex yeah but people wasn't like it wasn't like it wasn't just you know it was just, it was across the board. Absolutely, it was unilateral. It was really, you know, people talk about equality. It really was a diverse group of people, genders, sexualities, ethnicities, social classes. It really was rejection across the board.

But the thing that I would say is, none of that is those people's fault you know it's not like I don't you know I don't want you to think that we're going oh these fucking pricks rejected us and look at us and you know look at us now it's not that it what it is it's just I think all those experiences help and I think that it makes you who you are and had I met Lisa earlier I wouldn't be the person I was you know like when we met and I think that it makes you who you are. And had I met Lisa earlier, I wouldn't be the person that I was, you know, like when we met and I think that, you know, when I sort of think of it as with like kids,

when you go to school, if you behave in a certain way, people don't like it. And then you're sort of learning social skills. You're learning to go, okay, if I behave like that, people don't like it and they don't wanna be my friend. So I need to behave in a different way. If you're polite and you're not, you know, these little things that sort of knock you into shape.

So I feel like I met Lisa at the perfect time and I was correctly knocked into shape and she's had to further knock me into shape because I'm gonna be honest with you, if you're thinking that I was the perfect example of'm going to be honest with you, if you're thinking that I was the perfect example of a male to be in a relationship with when Lisa and I first met, you couldn't be much further from the truth. So there's had to be some learning during the relationship.

No, I am now. You know what's something I watched the other day just quickly that I found actually really inspiring and I should shout them out. Josh Winokum has got a, the video on Josh's Instagram of him getting an honorary degree back at the university. Yeah, yeah. And his speech in there, I found really incredible. Like genuinely, I thought it was really poignant, it was funny and it was brilliantly put and I think, yeah, I think everyone should, yeah.

I thought it was, yeah. Yeah, go have a watch. Have you got any particular gist of it or anything? Or is it? No, no, no, I don't want to do it service and so yeah Yeah, it's and also it's not my they're not my words to say no, you know, I'm not gonna misquote Josh Yeah, go watch I think and then yeah email in Romesh the email address is the wolf and our podcast Wolf our pod at gmail.com. Wolfoutpod at gmail.com. There you go. You learn something new every day. Tom and I would have loved to have met our partners whenever we actually met them and

Thomas decided as of about 30 seconds ago to stop misquoting people. So there you go. It's a development for all of us. We live, yo, this is the truth. We learn, we live, we digress, and we move forward. Don't we? And sometimes we hold our hand and we say, yo, friend, thanks for the sandwich. It's been a joy. Should chat sandwich sandwich. That's a revelation.

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