Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 45: Restaurant Controversies & Olympic Breakdancers

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

We’re talking… chillaxed Rom on holiday, a heartfelt apology for Tom Packman, lots of listener feedback on the scavenged food in restaurants debate, takeaway freebees, aggressive late-night customers, different attitudes to tipping, reluctantly running a pub, lookalikes and mistaken identities, Ray Gunn’s Olympic breakdance routine, social media pile-ons and maturing in our stand-up. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome... Welcome to the Wolf and Owl. I'm on holiday. So please forget. You can tell you're on holiday. You look absolutely chillaxed. Look at you bro. So bougie. By the way guys, you can't see him.

I mean, he's got sunglasses on, he's kicked back. He's put himself a pair of white beats. My guy's looking flexy. I love that. By the way guys, you can't see him. I mean, he's got sunglasses on, he's kicked back. He's put himself a pair of white beets. My guy's looking flabsy. I love this. This Rob is very chilled. Yeah, very chilled man. So I can tell by the bedding you're in a very, very swanky place, but that bed looks very swanky.

Is that got like a faux fur around the bed? It's not like a... it looks like they've killed a cookie monster. Yeah, one of my people. Okay now the first thing I want to say is well if you listen to the last episode do you remember that you refused to shout Tom Packman? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah okay well he's actually sent me a voice note. Okay. Would you like to hear it? This this? Hopefully you can hear this. Hey, wolf and our pod. out by the wolf. I just one day, you know, I hope to be considered worthy alongside the likes of Coca-Cola and that waiter who winked at you. I've been a big fan ever since the Morgana show and your 2012 Edinburgh show, Two for the Price of None, and been following your career. So it would mean a lot to me, especially after my flat burnt down. I have to rebuild my life. So, you know, if you find it in your heart, mate, I'd love that.

But, you know, continue spreading joy and much love to both of you. So, um, I unlike you, when it comes to these moments and I have to, I have to fall upon my sword, I'm more than happy to do so. So this is an ode to Tom Packman. Yeah, Tom, you can hear me friend. It was a miss of me to not shout you out. Actually, it's been made quite clear to me that a lot of my early gigs within the industry were actually booked by you Tom. Yeah, wasn't it Flo that reminded us?

Yeah, Flo reminded me quite clearly that Tom Packman actually booked me for some of my first gigs. He's actually one of the few people in the industry who ever took a punt on me. He did come to take advice of none. One of the about the handful of people over the whole of my head who actually brought me to turn up. And upon the Tom Packman whole, yeah, this was very political, but the whole Tom Pacman, everything that happened with TP, I then looked at him on Instagram and realised that I do remember

Tom Pacman and I actually remember him being very kind and very, very sweet to me. He is very kind, a really nice guy. He's a really, yeah, but then there's some part of me that, you know, for the sands of time, Tom Packman's sweet, sweet face, his beautiful eyes, he has got crystal clear eyes, they're beautiful, they're honest and true eyes. His heart and his soul is almost surpasses his eyes in his truth and honesty. But for the sands of time, you know, somewhat Tom Packman has vanished and actually it's a good lesson to us all. I would go as far as to say that, look,

it's easy to go through life. And we're starting off almost with a finisher and a closer. Don't worry, there will be a podcast after this. But sometimes it's easy to forget about your Tom Patmans, your Samasya Booze, people who come in and they smash a real important moment of your life. You're like, oh my God, that person was incredible. Right. And then you forget them. You know, maybe because you find your holidays in Newquay don't do it for you anymore. Before

you know it, you go to my bay and then you go to Dubai. And that sweet, sweet, sweet sand of sort of Newquay becomes almost a Tom Pacman. You forget about it. Does it make it any less special? Any left best? Makes the water as clear as crystal as Tom's spirit. So Tom Packman, I'm saying it now, and I mean it seriously, I'd love to take you for lunch, not just for not shouting you out, but also Tom Packman, for everything you did for me earlier in my career.

You're a gentleman and a scholar, Tom Packman, and if you need any work done on your flat, I'd be happy to call someone a tradesman, I know, and see if I can get you discounted. Just so I know, how many New York tradesmen do you know? Huh? Was he in New York? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, he's been to lunch things completely. He's in New York? Yeah, he lives in New York. He's actually, whenever Off the Kerbacks go, which you are one, whenever off the Kerbaks go to America, he's the one that books all the gigs. I wouldn't, what I would say to you, Tom,

is I wouldn't put that American tour in just yet. Yeah, no, no, no, maybe I'll have to put more work on it. Probably gonna cost me just flying out to take Tom, Pat, and Pat, and Pat, but then the trouble is, he'll know all the nice people. Yeah. Like, maybe I should buy, Tom, Pat, man, people. Yeah. Like, uh, maybe I should buy it. So Batman is anything you need for your flat.

I could buy from a New York, you know, maybe I can get a deli order sent radio to your present. All of that's kind of passed actually. Cause I'd sort of been across it because I've kept in touch with him because I sort of remember I'll tell you why you kept in touch with you. Thirsty piece of shit. And that all makes sense. The Tom Patman is the guy who should the big American gigs and that's why you're

fucking hanging on to his fucking coat. I'm not hanging on to his coat, I knew that he'd gone to America because you know I'd forged a relationship with him from when he sort of booked me for the early gigs. And I guess part of what this industry is about. Also, I took a little bit of time off. I took some time off with Patman when he developed himself, he grew. Yeah. Yeah, look, man, it devastates me that Pacman and me, our relationship isn't what it was. Well, I think it was from his end. For some reason, unbeknownst to any of us, you've sort of taken a gait stick.

You know what I think it is? I've been a little bit star-fucked. I've been star-fucked by Andy Leitch. Andy Leitch is like sort of like Andy Leitch is very much a donut I'm enjoying right now. It's a snack that I'm very much enjoying. What a smart way of insulting both Andy and Tom there. Look they're both both precious and lovely men they're actually guys that I look at and go Christ I wish I could be more like you. Yeah. So, yeah. Tom is, Tom Packman is, you see?

Tom Packman, who is the only person in the history of the podcast alongside Mervyn Stutter and George Clooney, you won't give a shout out to. It should be fair, he's a pretty good company. I'd say almost the unshatterables are better than the shout out moms. Mervyn Stutter, by the way, is killing the fringe this year. I've been keeping an eye on him. Yeah I bet you have. He's been keeping an eye on you by the way. No he hasn't. I'm gonna tell you now,

like look Tom Packman aside and I genuinely feel a I feel guilty and I feel a bit of a prick for for not shouting out Tom Packman. He's a good guy. Mervin Stutter's got no idea who I am. I could walk in to Mervin Stutter's fucking front room and he'd think I was there to paint it. That's where me and Mervyn Stutter are in the world. He's got no clue who I am. He's from the high brow Edinburgh elite. I don't hold that against him, that's what he does. But he would never, and he won't know who I am. There's no chance. So Mervyn Stutter, again, I will apologize to you if I've said anything.

I mean, everything you've just said shows that you know absolutely nothing about Mervin Stutter. Well, I'm just... Whatever you say about Mervin Stutter, he's not part of the Edinburgh elite. I don't know what you've heard about him. But I'm gonna tell you now, right? We knew about Mervin Stutt, right?

And he will think I am your bodyguard or B. I'm your just sure he doesn't like you know He was a bit or someone's doing some building work. He would have no idea that I'm comedian If I'd have known That this voice now is gonna make you fold like some a big basket of laundry I wouldn't have ever played it into the fucking podcast. I'm glad you did. Mate, by the way, can I say, by the way, I needed to be held accountable for my actions unlike you when you were you've got two fitted on a few things recently. Me? Yeah, the other week when you had to apologize and the apology was terrible. I tell you what, you said I was like Trump.

I've never seen a, like, you and Trump are like this. When it came to your apology. Yeah, when it came to the apology, me and Trump are like this. When it comes to views in immigration, you and Trump are like this. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! I know that you're sort of semi-joking,

but we did get quite an aggressive email about my apology. Oh really? Yeah, somebody really went in on me. It was pretty mad. Oh God. Just going like, it was obvious that you didn't, I can't remember it was like one sentence, but it was pretty vicious, two-footed sentence on my apology and how lacking in heart it

was. So I don't know if you set up another email account, but it was pretty Speaking of vicious emails, this saga about food off another plate continues. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I've been messaged quite a lot by this. Yeah. So I would say there've been three types of email, if I can sort of put them into three brackets. So just to get people up to speed, Tom was out with a few people a couple of weeks ago if you haven't listened to that one and their kid asked for chips, they saw a

plate of somebody that had been eating beforehand, left over chips, they grabbed the chips from that plate and put them onto theirs and gave them to their kid. On another table. On another table, from another table right and tom and i both sort of expressed disgust and i think the the word red flag was used anyway then somebody emailed back in saying that we were out of touch and uh so then we threw it open to the court of the animal pack and asked for your emails in. And during that, we talked about, one of the things that email mentioned, I think I've got this catch up I've really gone in, this recap is so long.

Yeah, I like this recap. It's like, you know, when you've fallen out of love for a little sort of show and then you go back to the show. Yeah, but I mean, it's hardly, you know, it's like we're coming out of a break, come die with me. But anyway, then this person mentioned restaurant staff. Okay, so here's the three types of email I've got. One type is in total agreement with us.

It's disgusting to take food off other plates, right? You don't know if they've sneezed on the food, you don't know how they've touched it, whatever, you've got no idea. What their hygiene is on their fingers. The second branch of emails is people saying, people that worked in the restaurant industry or work in the restaurant industry and the point they make is you don't make a lot of

money when you work in those industries and so it's a struggle to you know the restaurants often charge you full price or a little bit of a discount to eat there you don't get free food so actually nicking some food from a place. Can I just say that? And like I've actually been contacted by a chef and a friend of mine about this, but on this basis that is, I do accept that in a sense, not that I'm agreeing. But my point is this person, well this person isn't someone who works in a restaurant and they're not someone who's hired up of money. They didn't work there, they were a person

who was sitting in my company, a waiter or waitress. Yeah, but I think we could, what I would say, my response to that is that is an oversight of my part. It didn't occur to me. I think that's fair enough. I mean I read that message from my friend Tommy who turned around, he messaged me on this basis and he said he was he's been a chef he's worked in the business so he said I've had waiters upsell bigger states and platter meals to people they know who wouldn't finish it just so you can pull through it when clearing the table so they turn around to get people to have yeah. When I when I worked at KFC as I did for a few years. Yeah please Ron. What? Well it's one thing pilfering from a nice restaurant and you know

but pilfering from KFC. Okay well I worked there as a vegetarian so my pilfering was fairly limited. I would say in my two years of working there, I ate more corn on the cobs than any man should ever have to consume. But that's a lot of food you should pilfer. I know. I wasn't pilfering it. I wasn't pilfering it as part of my staff lunch. Yes, contract. Yes. Anyway, I used to do the post-pub shift on the Fridays and Saturdays, right? Which is the grim, can I just say the grimist fucking shift you can do. I have so much respect for anyone who works in a takeaway or any kind of restaurant like that. There are loads of times that guys people would walk in and they were

drunk so they would try and pretend that you'd basically they're trying to get free food right so this happened loads of times so guys would come in and they would go when I came in last time I ordered a burger and fries and you only gave me the fries where's my burger I want my burger now right so they're obviously just making it up but what they thought was if they get aggy enough you just give them the burger now occasionally really the easiest option is to give them the burger but you just get fucked up with these people just trying it on, right? Just so I know, is the burger, is there a certain amount of like breakaway sort of like burger stuff for drunks and for people who are trying it on at cabs?

No, they don't. Do you mean is there a surplus allocated? Yeah, yeah. Is there like a, how big? How big are they on their like stock checks? How would they be like, okay, we're missing four zinger burgers here Yeah, they would they would they would yeah, okay what to give you an idea? I shouldn't really say this because I don't agree with this but I Did use to sort out my friends and my cup a couple of I think that's I think that's a beautiful thing well Sure, but my friends start taking the piss a little bit.

Okay. And so they kept rocking up and what became a zinger mill, then became a bucket and became well, one night, one night the manager came up to me and said, Romesh, we're 63 hot wings short of what we should have. Wow. And then I realized maybe I could film with that. Like you're the hot wind kids. I just fucking, I really, really it was really nice way of

feeling popular. Yeah and then you'd see someone in the street go hey Rob you working in KFC still? No no no no I've just left that show I've got sack. Oh mate don't care bye. Yeah do you want to go for that drink we're talking about? Yeah man. I don't think so man. I'll probably do it sometime. Yeah. Just keep in touch if you get a job somewhere that's useful for me and I can get free shit, just give me a shout out. Do you know where you should apply? Burger King. Yeah. Get yourself a job at Burger King.

That'd be great, then we can hook up. Hello, well, no, no, no, I haven't heard you from you since the old Calf Seat days. Any chance I can get some tickets to your new show? Yeah. Anyway, one guy walked in and he was like quite an intimidating bloke, drunk, and he said to me,

I came in last time you didn't give me a burger. This is like, it happened so many times it became like a known, do you know what I mean? These guys think it's the first time you've heard this. Obviously it's like pretty much three or four times every shift somebody would do something like this. And so he came in and he went, he was drunk and he said, I came in last time

you didn't give me a burger because it was you that served me. And I said, I'm really sorry about that. But I said, if you'd have come back in like straight away, I would have sorted it out for you. And he goes, I couldn't come straight back in. And he goes, get my fucking burger now. Wow. And I said to him, well, I can't, you know, I can't really do that because, you know, if you'd have come straight back in when it happened, I said, I've got no way of knowing that you did. You know by the way if you'd had your sunglasses on in that situation it would have been a lot cooler. Well it would have been a lot safer actually because then what he did is he grabbed a bag a pocket of change just threw it in my

fucking face. What? Yeah genuinely. Are you joking? He just went get me my fucking butter just threw the coin straight into my face just got pelted with a load of coins. What did you do for that moment? Like a football or an Italian match. What? What? Well, I'll be honest with you, I shit myself. Of course you did.

And then luckily, shout out this guy, there was an assistant manager called, now listen, his name was Gerald, right? Okay. He was, I would describe him as the black you. He looked just like you, same dimensions, right? Just a big old bit. Essentially by the way that is what a lot of people say about Steve McQueen, the director.

Right, okay. It's like, Kaffin seems to think that's hilarious whenever we're out going, do you know the best look of like Tom? And then she'll show that picture and people go, oh fuck yeah. And Gerald saw I was in trouble just stepped up and he goes, is there a fucking problem here mate? And the geezer's arse went so quickly. It was unbelievable. But what I would say to you is, I found it so horrendously upsetting, man. Can I say by the way, when you're saying that, you know that where I used to live, right,

that there wasn't a Cavs 7, there was a McDonald's, then a high show, that was open with all the pubs and clubs. So your go-to was a kebab shop, right? Yeah. I never really saw that behavior in kebab shops because I think that the rumors that went round about them sort of bringing out sort of machetes and like big knives to anybody who fucked about became so like, you know, whether they set those rooms themselves or what, but

people, there was an air of respect in a kebab shop when you went there late at night. You're sort of like, you'd heard stories of people getting sort of like beaten up. I think, I think when, if you're running a place like that, you've got to have something about you or you've got to develop something about you. I remember when my dad took over the pub in East Grinstead, we were really worried because it was like a proper, it was a proper old regulars pub, do you know what I mean? Like a drinkers pub. A drinkers pub, yeah. A session pub. We called it a session pub in the game. Yeah. And loads of scaffolders used to come in, loads of people from the trade used to come in.

And it like used to get quite hairy in there. Do you know what I mean? Like it was pretty. I remember like thinking, fuck, I hope my dad's all right. And then I remember like one of the first, maybe the second month that I was there, I was in the other side of the pub and I heard my dad go, you get the fuck out,

you bastard, fuck you. And I walked through to the other side to see what was going on. My dad had one of them in a headlock. Wow. And the geezer had like tried to like grab a pint for free, just for taking the piss out of my dad because he thought he wouldn't do anything. My dad just absolutely gone for him. And then that story just caught on like wildfire in the local, like you don't want to fuck around with Ranga.

Like seriously, like don't take the piss night. Like you don't want to fuck around with Ranga. Like seriously, like don't take the piss out of that. That geezer's a nutter. Do you know what I mean? It was so- The two things you need is that flex, you can be like that. And if you're, I mean,

I've heard stories of your dad from you and Dim. And like, if you've got a bit of, and also you're a landlord who gets drunk with the regulars. Yeah. That's the other. Yeah. That's something they respect. Yeah. I mean, the large unit eventually killed him, but yeah, he did get some respect on the ride out.

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Now with internet. But anyway, and then the third branch of emails are people saying that we're out of touch and we sound precious and we need to get real. And it really is a sign that we've been. So can I just ask what the breakdown roughly is of like percentages on this? What's like what we talking about? Okay, if I was to do it roughly I would say the email saying we're out of touch 10% okay yeah the emails saying that we're um that they're working the

restaurant trade and it's something we need to sort of appreciate that we cost the living and stuff like that that you know sometimes people which I completely accept I would say about 30% and then the remaining 60% of people that find it disgusting. Do you know sometimes people which I completely accept I would say about 30 percent and then the remaining 60 percent of people that find it disgusting do you know what what I weirdly on this note is that number one is that what are you like at tipping you're a tipper I tip heavy yeah I know when it's due I tip heavy well I kind of take heavy when you say it's not jib hold on hold on hold on hold hold on. This is my policy on tipping. Okay. If you want to know the truth, I tip heavy unless they've been bad. So even if they're

average, I will tip. Oh yeah. Yeah. Look, if they're average, you know what, right? If they're average, but they're nice and they're, they're decent and they go. Yeah. If they're, if they're, if they're personable, I was out for lunch yesterday, I won't say the place because I'll go there quite a bit. I went for lunch yesterday and the staff, I've never ever, like the level of aggression that was there, it was like, you know, like you hear with those theme restaurants that are themed around like, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, Karen's, was it Karen's Diner? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or like, you know,

oh, we're going to, there's a Faulty Towers version of it. This very much felt like, oh, okay, this is like a themed restaurant of fucking a soprano. Like, the aggression there was unreal. Like, one woman, right, a waiter spilled a whole, like, big glass of red wine down on her, right? She had a white pair of trousers on. And she was like, oh my God, like that. And he just walked off. He didn't say anything. He just walked off, right? And she went to complain to the manager

and the manager shrugged and went, what do you want me to do about it? It's done now. Are you winding me up? I swear on. You're winding me up. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me He just stared at me like, you want to just clear knock me out. I was like, bro, like you're having a day. I don't know what's going on here. But there's a test. Does part of you not think you're having a day? No, but Ron, right? If it was just him, fair enough.

Number one, if I'm gonna be honest with you, if you're in the restaurant trade and we're talking about it, whatever, like if you're having a day like that, probably just go, you know what? I'll chill out the back, I'll clean forks and do whatever I've got to do. This is because I've watched the bear thinking of this. But like, I've had a bit of a row this morning, or this has happened or that's happened, you know, personal issues, I should probably not be customer facing. He was so

aggressive. And he was walking around just screwing people. Like you ate your meal with your head down. You didn't want to get eye contact with him. It was like in a prison canteen. It was insane. And like it's a nice place. Yeah. Well, so what did you do? Did you tip?

No, because like I left the service charge, obviously. Yeah. But like the week before I've been at, say like the Cree creepier uh been there for lunch with friends and we had amazing service the lad who served us was absolutely so i bunged him some more money i'm like you know on top of the service charge some cash for him because i do think it is tough and i do think that weight is a weight she's like you know in america you think it's a proper career do you know what i mean people earn money through tips blah blah blah

over here we you know for me if if i sit down with my family and have a nice meal with friends and whatever, and the service is lovely and you feel like that adds to the meal, right? It's the first bit, it's the first point of contact. You know, I mean, Catherine went for a cover of Saturday night, had a lovely meal, guy was exceptional, so give him a tip. But yeah, I mean, I gave the service charge, I'm not going to do that, but the, I gave the service charge, I'm not gonna do that. But the guy would like genuinely, I don't say it's like, it was like the flip of what you're talking about. It felt like the guy who fucking threatened to throw like the change in your face was now working, brought himself a restaurant. And that's how he was rolling. It

was like that. It was absolutely, you know, and I know there's by the way I did see some listeners in the podcast while I was having this meal. So I don't know what I'm talking about I was once in I don't know if I feel like I've told this story already but I was once in a hotel and I got room service and Obviously lot room service is expensive As it should be you're asking for them to deliver the food to your mouth in bed. But when she came in, the girl, I wrote, I mean, I'm making it out like I'm a big spender. I wrote a decent tip on the thing. And then she said to me, do you have any cash? And I said, what? She goes, this sort of tip doesn't ever we don't ever really see this.

Yeah, I always feel bad about that as well. I think restaurants. Now what I would love to know is, is that true? So that's true. If you don't put the tip in cash, the staff don't get it. It goes into a pool, I think, and then it gets separated up. And this is the thing I have a bugbear with. So say, for example, you're like a really nice sweet way. It was really, really diligent. You really work hard.

You're nice to all your customers. You work, you know, you're there to suggest dishes, whatever. And you got a guy who can give a fuck. The guy who can give a fuck will get the same tip because it's just put into a pool and then you split up sense, sense wise. So is that bad? You think? I think it is bad. Yeah. I think if you're somebody that turns out to work and you

work really hard and you're really really affable and even if you have had a bad day like you know we have bad day like you know some of the stuff like the last part of the tour we you know we lost a family member we were going for quite a serious point and my cafe that's no one in the audience is full that's not anyone that I'm to I still have to go and put on a show I can't turn up and go on you know this has been a bit of a tough few weeks. You're like, yeah. When you're going out to, you're right. It is.

It is. I can't know. You know, if I turn up on set and go, I've had this has happened. So and so my family's got this here on this. And I'm not really feeling that I want to be funny. That's my job is to turn up and be funny. And then forgive me, forgive me. Just can I just hold my hands up here?

to turn up and be funny. You know what, Tom? Forgive me, forgive me. Can I just hold my hands up here? I forgot it is as hard as an actor and comedian as it is to be a waiter in a restaurant. You're right, you're right. Thank you so much. I'm so sorry. I've been a waiter in a restaurant.

Sometimes, sometimes, you know what, I know these guys work to whatever time and they've got to deal with shitty customer stuff, but does that compare to 90 minutes of standing on stage and saying your thoughts out loud? I don't think so. Waiters out there from Tom Davis, get a fucking grip. All right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that you are.

This is you being Trump. You're very spinning this now. I've been away. I've done this. I've done bar work as a year. Right? Yeah. now. I've been away, I've done this, I've done bar work as a kid, right? My point is one that it's like when you turn up to do any job, building sites or whatever I've done, it's not the customer's fault when I turn up to be rude and aggressive. My thing is, and if that is the case, like

sensitive is like if you knock your pipe out and you can't do enough for the customers, you're suggesting wines, you're suggesting meals, you go oh if you like, try this, you're lovely, you're affable. Yeah, and then you've got a guy who's kicking his heels, can't be bothered, you know, throwing things on the table and just being quite aggressive, but you're getting the same tips. Where's the incentive? So my point is, it's like, I try when I can to have cash on me if I go out and then the guy who served me or the woman who served me, I'm like, there we go, there's your tip and that's caps, that's for you because you looked after my table I don't always agree with it being it's a pool that we all just they all

But if I can just you know If I can just speak as somebody unqualified, he doesn't know anything about a restaurant's work there is an argument that some staff get put on busier sections, right and so doesn't pooling then make sense because if if like say for example you and I working in a restaurant and we both sort of we're both equally hard-working but you're just general natural what's that for? Well I can tell what you'd be like in a restaurant. What's that mean? Oh for fuck's sake If they want the shadow brand that means i've got a fucking cut it man. Yeah, I'll tell you what you'd be like

Just the one of the customers going up to the manager go excuse me. Can I have a quick word? Yeah, sure the waiter that's working our table really nice guy Is there any chance that he might fuck off and leave us alone for 30 seconds. Oh you've got me. That is pretty much what I was like. He's been sitting at our table for the last 45 minutes. Actually, God it's nice, I hope you join the meal, can I just say bless your hearts you've made a sweet sweet selection of choices I can tell just by the orders that you've made that you're wonderful. Little bit of good news I'm actually on my break, ordered myself a little Chateau Bruyne, thought I'd join you if that's alright.

So what's going on? I used to do that on my breaks when I was working in the pubs. I used to sort of go and sit with people and have a drink. It was people you knew I assumed? Well I knew all the regulars. I was an amazing barman. I love working in that. I can imagine that. I wasn't. When I ran my dad's pub, God rest his soul, after he passed away, it was not good. I was not good. The regulars fucking hated me. There was no good. I was not good. The regular... The regular fucking hated me. There was no shit. You're a fun guy. You're funny. You're a good guy to be around. Well, what I would say... And also, to end your credit, if your dad's just passed away, yeah, I think some... They've got to give you a little bit of fucking... It was slightly difficult to... Slightly difficult to maintain the buzz when you're working me on the bar because your dad's dropped dead a few months ago

Do you like how long do you have to do that for? Well, look, I'm not gonna name the brewery but what I would say is they take they took the piss out of a grieving family because I'm gonna say I've not they were fucking pieces of shit right because what happened was my dad passed away they basically made us feel like we had to carry on running the pub because it was like The implication was that your dad had a contract and now you've got a contract. All right, so We didn't want to so we I don't know what I don't have to explain it man

We just our brains weren't in gear. So we carried on running this pub. And then we were losing money, like we were losing money because the pub wasn't making enough money to cover the, like the brewery costs. So every month we're paying the money, scratching around to try and figure out what to pay. And then one day I just said to my brother,

I'm pretty sure you don't inherit a pub, this is mental. So, this is after a few months of doing it. And I was like, this can't work. And we had meetings with Broome. They're going, yeah, we really think you can turn it around. I said to Din, I don't know why we have to turn, why the fuck do we have to turn? Did you want to run a pub? No. Did I want to run a pub? No. So why are we running a fucking pub? So in the end, I just sent them, genuinely sent them an email going, oh, we just had a chat and we've realized that we don't have to do this. So I'm going to post the keys to the letter box and I'm never

going to run the pub again. Thanks so much for your time. Goodbye. No response. So obviously that's what we could have done straight away. Weird as well. Cause it's old school. Like you're inheriting your dad's old job.

It makes, it made absolutely no sense. I don't even know if it's legal. I wasn't I wasn't a licensing. By the way, I enjoyed Relaxing Landlords, right? But arguably, yeah, no, no, but that version of it is darker and better. What this version? The actual version. Like Mafia. That's your actual version. It's like Matthew. He's actually a fucking darker... Yeah. It was really funny because every now and again you'd have regulars come in and go,

Oh, you and my dad, your dad absolutely loved me. And I think, that's not the account I heard from him directly. I swear to God, if I have to hear this fucking asshole tell the same story one more time, I've got to fucking kill myself. That's the skill of being a violent. What's that? Pretending that you're interested in that shit? Yeah, but also when you're in there, it's like, what you realize is that there's groups of people coming, but quite a lot of the time, it's just one person or a couple that come in who don't really have, they're not chatting and you become mediated within their world.

A convert. So therapy, yeah, and then people will come mediator within their world. A conduit. Yeah, and then people would come in just on their own who were just a bit lonely and yeah, I like the sort of, I mean I don't think I'd ever want to run a pub now because I don't think it's the same game anymore but. No, but if it wasn't for that pub I probably wouldn't be doing comedy. Because that was where I first got all of my stage time, was hosting this, the last stand up. That was, it was so funny trying to put on a gig

at that pub. Because first of all, I'd started doing the circuit gigs. I started like putting posters up. My dad said to me, like, why don't you run a gig here? It'll give you some stage time. So I started putting on a monthly gig at the Prince of Wales. And all the regulars are going, they better not be shit.

I'll tell you this now, you can put the posts up, they better not be fucking shit, because I'll tell them. I'll tell them if they're shit and I said, oh God. I didn't tell any of the access. But so I put posts up, we had some amazing headliners, Paul McCaffrey, Sean Walsh, Matt Ford came down, Rob Beckett headlined.

I mean, it was like, we had some incredible line-up. Never got off to do it myself. Well, I didn't know you then. I did ask via Tom Patman, but he said you weren't getting back to him. I saw a guy, by the way, yesterday, who was literally, I walked past him five times thinking he was Sean Walsh.

You know when you're like, I'm like 80%, I think this is Sean Morsh. And you know, you're like, I'm like, 8% I think this is Sean Morsh. Yeah. But it's a few, it wasn't Sean. But you know, it's all looks so much like someone. It's ridiculous. I was literally going past him sort of. And at one point I could see him looking like every time I went past him, which is probably more than I should have. I was, it was like I was checking him out. Yeah. I was just sort just staring at him and he was

just sort of like, shagging his head, shagging his shoulders and saying, what do you keep looking at? And I wouldn't say, you look a bit like Sean Walsh and I just wanted to make sure you're not. In case Sean would think I was rude. But then I thought if there's anyone that you know in comedy who couldn't give a fuck if you didn't go over and say hello, it's probably Sean. Yeah, absolutely. If anything, he'd rather you just walk past a few times and say hello. Especially in my case I think Sean in my case Sean would easily be more offended if I went over and said hello than if I did. Yeah um Tom you didn't have to do. Hi Sean I've known you for nearly 15 years

uh how are you? I? I'm with my family. I see you on set. Bye. I reckon I reckon that mistaken identity thing happens to me once a once a week, once a week, minimum, I get a message from somebody going, are you currently in Singapore? Yeah, I get a bit the number of times people think they spotted me somewhere. So people have taken photos with people they think are me. I got a message from an Asian guy the other day, said he took a photo as me with somebody.

He didn't want to let him down. So apparently they went up and went, oh my God, Ramesh, I'm such a fan. Can I get a photo? I know. Anyway, can I ask you a question? Hit me up, baby. Well, first thing, how into the Olympics have you got?

Not really. I've really got into it. I mean, I say I've really got into it, it's finished now. Obviously, the Paralympics are starting very, very soon. But did you come across the story of the Australian break dancer, by any chance? The female Australian break dancer? No, no. Ray Gunn.

Raytch Rachel Gun. By the way you're gonna fucking smash life if your name is Ray Gun. Well her name's not Ray Gun obviously. Yeah but if you can make it into Ray Gun it's a fucking sick name. Better than Tom Davis. Well you could make your name Ray Gun if you were coming up with it. first of all, what is that you're drinking out? Big old blue cup. Oh my god. It's good mate, means I'm getting all my HDR up. How do you know that your friend likes TikTok? No, I've got this in John Lewis, you know what I mean?

I'm not suggesting you brought it from TikTok, but what I am suggesting is you watched a load of people drinking it. Well, I know people think I'm buying stuff from TikTok shop, I'm not suggesting you brought it from TikTok, but what I am suggesting is you watched a lot of people drink it. Well, I know a lot of people think I'm buying stuff from TikTok shop, I'm not going back there. But you know what, you know what I've got in this? Celtic Salt, whole new world. Oh yeah, I've been doing Celtic Salt. Celtic Salt, isn't it?

Is it Celtic Salt or Celtic Salt? Celtic Salt, whatever. Lisa, the swan, I suggested to her that she put some Celtic Salt in her water. She put loads. What? You be careful, she's not saying you're mad. That's how she gets scurvy, turns into a pirate. I know, I know. Yeah, okay, she won't turn into a pirate. That's the difference between sailors and pirates back in the old days. What was the difference?

The water. That was the difference between soldiers and pirates back in the old days. What was the difference? Too much salt water. That was the difference between soldiers and pirates. Wait, that's what happened. A lot of sailors were fucking not good sailors, good people, drank too much salt water, turned an edge, went crazy and became pirates. Okay, it's a good theory. Is it based in any fact? Yeah, I'm sure I've read it somewhere, I've seen it. That's where Jack Sparrow, everyone thought Jack Sparrow was drunk. I was like, he's off his head on salt water. Literally, he couldn't have survived.

There's no way he could survive down the island on his own, right, without having to drink salt water. Yeah, okay. Do me a favor, get your phone now, go onto TikTok and search Ray Gunn Olympics. And I want you to just, I think it's G-U-N-N, what I'd love you to do is just spend 30 seconds. That's the best place to spend your time, it's like Brian Gunn, the old New Yorker goalkeeper and actually his son now who plays for Scotland.

Could you just watch for 30 seconds and then give me your take please? Bearing in mind, I'm just going to say- By the way, you know more about breakdancing than I do. Okay, I think you'll get an idea. What I wanna say is- Well, breakdance, as soon as you put our A in it comes up. Okay. Okay.

Now, before we get into this, I don't want you to get into trouble. She's been getting quite a hard time. Okay? Anyway, watch it and tell me what you think. Okay, so Tom. I don't know what breakdancers really look like. I'm honest with you, I think breakdancers are a bit of a mess anyway, aren't they? It's not like... Don't start saying stuff like that, okay?

No, no, but break... No, no, no, no, no, no. By a mess, I've probably said that wrong. My point is, the whole thing about breakdancing, alright? Unless she's not bringing it down, breakdancing's meant to be like fucking... It's unorthodox, she's a bit mad. You're meant to be fucking... It's not like fucking like strictly come dancing,

where it's like, oh, you've got to be rigid and stuff. It's meant to be loose, it's not like in like strictly come dancing where it's like you've got to be rigid and stuff it's going to be loose it's going to be free it's going to be like that's what break dancing is yeah well that'd be crazy that video or her performance went viral because people said it's absolutely dreadful right and and so and and then tiktok social media has absolutely jumped on it so yeah there's a lot there's a lot to talk, not a lot to talk about, but there's a few things going on here, in my opinion. One is, in my opinion, okay, she's not a great break dancer, right?

In my opinion, but I'm not a break dancing expert, right? But I've watched break dancing, I've got a casual interest in it, and the really good break dancers that you want away By the way, never say that again. Why? I've got casual interest in breaking down If you ever split up with Lisa, right? Right, and you end up on the dating scene if you say that that is literally like

Your interest in breakdancing literally like, oh yeah, he's just said that he's got a casual interest in breakdancing. Tom, we're talking about breakdancing, okay? I want to sit down with a date at a thing and go, okay, a couple of things about me. I like anime. Number one, what? Sorry, sorry, sorry. Why are you wearing your sunglasses inside? Oh, you're about to find out. I'm a fan of hip hop, just about to do a rap album and I have a casual interest in break dancing. Yeah, that figures. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is- My friend Sally's just fallen off her bike. I've got to go and see her at the hospital.

I've got a casual interest in cycling as well, actually. Yeah, Sally never wants to meet you. She's just break dancing at the hospital and cheering her up. Yeah. Well, what I mean by that is I'm not an expert but I do like it I guess that's what I'm saying right and like sometimes on tiktok I watch whatever like on YouTube occasionally you watch these like breakers and breakdance is incredible what Ray got it is incredible what? No no no You watch these breakers. That's what they're called. It's like, you know what you're doing. You're doing the equivalent of going, footballers, fucking nerd. You fucking nerd. No, no, no, no. I'm doing the equivalent of you going, yeah, yeah, ballers. Break dancers. They're break dancersancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers, breakdancers Do you know why I'm getting up the grumpy? Because you're right. That's what one of the things I've discovered.

Well, one of the things that occurred to me is whenever I get super defensive, it's because I think it's true of everyone, isn't it? What do you get super defensive? It's because that person has got you on something that you absolutely. By the way, I adore you and I know you better than most people. There's a part of me thinks you wore the sunglasses on this podcast. No, you're about to bring up Rape Dancing. Anyway, so like when you watch these dancers like throwing down on the liner or whatever, do you know what I mean? Or like you know doing their thing, you know busting those moves or

whatever, do you know what I mean? Like slamming those, slamming that floor, right? One of the things that, it's impressive right? It looks amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. What Rae Gunn is doing is not that, right? So, and I've looked a little bit into her and she's somebody that's an expert in this, but isn't necessarily, look, whatever. The standard was whatever the standard was, right? So there's that issue.

Was the standard better than Raegun across the rest of the year? Yes, yes. She scored zero points across all of her events. Oh, wow. Oh, that's not nice. Yeah, so there was some good breaking, but break dancing, sorry, right? She scored zero points across all of her events. Oh wow, that's not nice. So there was some good breaking, but... break dancing sorry. Right?

So the question is, how did she end up representing Australia at the Olympics? Right, that is... But by the way, break dancing is never coming back to the Olympics. Really? I mean I'm not a break dancing fan, but yeah. Feels kind of crazy that it's made it into the Olympics. You don't even have a casual interest do you? I have no interest in breakdancing. I mean no, I have a very casual interest, I'd say casual at best in the Olympics.

Yeah, anyway, so all of that aside, the fact that you know her breakdancing wasn't amazing, but she was saying she was doing her own interpretation of it. Whether you agree with all of that or not and how she got into the Olympics and is it a bad advert for her? Is there some sort of like conspiracy of how she got into the team? No, not really. It's just people are saying that there must have been some fault in it. What they're saying is that they find it hard to believe, and by the way I'm paraphrasing now, that she is the best example she's the best breakdancers must be surfing that kind of whole thing Australia's got a big hip hop scene so it's not like hip hop is not something that's you know known over there

so there's a proper culture of it over there so I imagine there are like loads of breakdancers but anyway that, loads of people have sort of said this backlash against her is disgusting. Like, if you look at it from her point of view, she's not gone into it. You know, there's part of me that thought I hoped it was kind of a prank, do you know what I mean? Like that she would just go in there

and it's just like, you know, like a comedy character or something like that. Like almost like Honey G or some shit. Yeah, yeah. But a lot of people took Honey G seriously. Yeah, that's true. But- Poor old Honey G. Poor old Honey G. But I think, look, anyway,

the point I'm trying to make in a terrible way is that the backlash has been pretty bad. Like I try to think about what it must be like to be her. Like overnight she has become arguably the most ridiculous thing on the internet. Right? But that happens. It's a nasty being world where that happens. Yeah but what, but mate, they've got, can something be done about that? Because like, it's fucked. The trouble is, how mentally do done about that? Because like, it's fucked. I don't know. The trouble is, the trouble is you've got that, you've got people in the scene.

How mentally do you process that? But you've got people like that Caroline woman, right? Who's now got 84,000 likes. And it's the same thing I was talking to a couple of weeks ago with helmets that like, put like just literally re-fucking posted like stuff about that kid, Jay Slater. And they were just like conspiracy theories about him. And that's where it went crazy. And it spiralled into a big thing. But all that was, was like some TikTok that kid, Jay Slater, and they were just like, conspiracy theories about him. And that's where it went crazy.

And it spiraled into a big thing. But all that was was like some TikTok or somewhere just fucking make up a fantasy. And they were all of a sudden getting fucking 200,000 views. But none of it was real. And none of it was from the place of like caring about the case of Jay Slater. It was all just about trying to get more and more views. That's the world we live in. The views and everything. They become almost like currency.

So it doesn't really matter that the fact that whatever we think about Ray Gun, or whatever anyone thinks, I don't know about breakdowns, I'd be lying if I knew if that was good or if that was bad. It's the same thing when I sit and watch Strictly with People. I sit and watch Strictly with People and people go, that's an awful tag. I don't fucking know. How do you know? Or the judges are wrong. Well, they've got more of a fucking clue than you have, Danny. Do you know what I mean? It's fucking insane. Anyway, my point being that that's all that Caroline was just jumped on it and it doesn't really matter. She's not even thinking about Rae. All she thinks is that there's a world where I can say horrible

things and at the start she's like making it look like it's real. It's the first time she's watched Rae Gunn and she's going Rae Gunn, Ray Gunn. And she's like, oh, this is shit. This is awful. And you know what? Ray Gunn's trying to do something. Like, whatever we think, she's trying. And like, that's the world we live in now. People try and fail, we're shot down. And then we go, oh, what are the use of this world? Not want to do anything. Because there's the air of ridicule if you don't fucking know. We're applicable for that. That's what we do as comedians at times. But the fact of the matter is, the actual feeling of being ridiculed now used to be alright get ridiculed down the park because i trod on a ball and burst it when i planned to send them back in a sunday league and only but only 22 people saw that and if they told 22 what maybe 200 people might find out

but if someone takes a video out on tiktok and it goes all around the world it goes for all of a sudden on the biggest fucking loser on the internet and it is that's the world we live in the world just spreads and the world becomes smaller and all of a sudden on the biggest fucking loser on the internet and it is that's the world we live in the world just Spreads spreads the world becomes smaller and your humiliation becomes bigger and that's that's that's that's the world we live in and if you are Someone like very done who that moment should be like In generations to come she sits down with her kids or whatever and she you know Family says oh, do you remember when I went to the Olympics that no one will talk about it? No, I won't cuz she's been ridiculed and it's yeah, it's pretty sad man. Well, you've gone I went to the Olympics. No one will talk about it. No one will, because you've been ridiculed.

And it's, yeah, it's pretty sad, man. Well, you've gone through the, Tom, it really, I mean, you've got very worked up there, but you've also sort of warmed the cockles of my heart, because you've gone straight to the, you've gone straight to what it's taken a few people to take a while to get to, which is it's out of order being so harsh on her.

Yeah. But, so well done, well done to you. Really impressive. I mean there's an argument that there should be some sort of etiquette isn't it? If you don't like something, what am I talking about? Basically you can't police social media. Yeah I saw a very funny clip of you talking about Starbucks the other day right? And yes you're punching up and that's your view on Starbucks. There's bits in my stand-up where I'm criticising things. One of the big things for me is like, I went through a phase of criticising footballers, right, who play football West Ham, or England, like years ago England, and then I realised that actually it's not really fair,

do you know what I mean? None of them going out there trying to be bad, none of them are trying to be shit, they're just having a bad game, they're having an off game. That's what I was even going back to the waiters and stuff, it's like you know, it's the point I was trying to make is like if you're having an off day just step back, don't, but you haven't got to be aggressive and angry about it, there's a difference to all this. Well it's, I shared a clip about me talking about Wagamamas and from like years ago, maybe eight, nine years ago. And like, it's a funny rant, but I don't really feel like that anymore. It's like me having to go at, it just, I just, if I was doing that bit of standup now,

I wouldn't, I just wouldn't say any of that. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's interesting, isn't it? If you do a bit of standup or whatever, and obviously I've shared it again recently, so, you know, theoretically I'm standing by it. I'm standing by that bit of stand up at the time, but I don't feel like that now.

It's like I'm calling a member of staff at Wagamama as a fucking mouth breather because the food comes out whenever it's ready and all that. And now I just think it's fucking hard to work at Wagamama's. Do you know what I mean? I feel so differently about it now. Yeah, but that's called growth, right? No, but it is. It's like...

But do you know... No, the other thing... Sorry. The other thing is, it's like that you can beat yourself down for making mistakes and saying wrong things and taking them on part of your journey at times, right? That is all just growth. That you can look back and go, that thing that I felt at that point in my life, I've grown as nothing as a human being saying I don't really believe that now, it's not how I feel now, like life isn't, you know, whatever. That is, that is, that's an evolution. My point is, is like, and also without being really really harsh against TikTok or whatever, what you're doing is going onto the stage and you're making a comedy,

you're making a show and that's a part of the show, that's a part of a bit. This is all fast food that we're talking about. It's all very fucking micro thing. And actually people will forget, they'll forget that they've done it. They'll forget that they like she'll jump on her own and next week it'll be saying yeah I was the next like you know one of the best ever bits of stand up I've ever seen is is the Kevin does a bit Bridges does a bit about the kid at school with the bike and running around and people take a video. It's one of the best bits of stand-up. I can't remember the kid's name. It's an incredible

bit of stand-up. I can't even remember my kid's name sometimes. I think I've got long Covid. I will look it up and then whoop it out. Anyway. What a hell of a 45 seconds this has been. Anyway, go on. My point being this, right, is that you're writing something that's intrinsically right about the breakdown of like Wagamama's star, whatever you're doing, right? There's an art to what you're doing. They're going, oh shit.

It's the same thing as at the moment, right? If you go on TikTok, FPL is everywhere. It's people going, oh, these are the plans that you've got picked for your fantasy league team. It's like they're all just creating the same bit of content. There's nothing different from any of it. It's just all the same. And it's the same thing.

I remember when you're on the open mic circuit, you're like, there's so many people are doing exactly the same thing. So what you've done, yeah, whether it's applicable now, you believe in it. Now at the time you're writing a piece and it's like something that, you know, you're great. Yeah. But here's the other bit to that. I don't know, I might talk about this, I might actually do the clip, review the clip actually, but like, I don't know if I felt like that then,

because the one thing that people forget about standup is when you start off doing standup, I'm sorry to get nerdy about standup, is you don't have the skills when you first start out. It takes you ages, and this sounds so simple, it takes you ages to develop the skills to be funny about what you really think about something. Yeah, right. So when you start, when you start writing stand up, you're going, what is the funny

angle on this? Right? And I'm just trying to look for laughs wherever I can. Okay? That's what you're doing. And then gradually, as you develop in stand up, you kind of, you would talk about, no you haven't. No, no, cause what, Tom, you're like, I would say your progress in this has been,

I've said this to you, your, how close you are off stage and how close you are like between and how close you are between your offstage and onstage persona, it's so close for the amount of time that you've actually been doing it, it's actually remarkable. But I think about when you start doing standup, and I know this isn't a standup podcast,

but when you first start doing it, you're looking for loss wherever you can get it, right? You're just going, what's the funny thing I can say about this? Or what's the thing that people haven't said? Or what's a new take on this that's funny? And how much you actually believe in it is less important. You haven't got the skills to do that,

because actually what you truly believe is nuanced and complicated, and it's more difficult to be funny about, right? And then as you get better at stand up, or you get more experience, so now the show that I've just done is so close to what I actually think about things, right? Whereas years ago, the distance

between what I actually think about things and what I'm talking about is bigger. Does that make sense? So like, I don't think that my views on Wagamama Staff Have Changed, I just think, oh, this is quite annoying that the food comes out whenever it does. I'm gonna do a bit about it.

Whereas now I might go, I might do the bit from the position of the member of staff. Do you know what I mean? Like being told that you've got to tell the customers that the food comes out whenever it's ready. So, you know, I've got to go and fucking tell them that. Oh, so by the way, always thought with Wagamama's, I enjoy the lottery a bit.

Yeah, make it into a game. I the fuck's who's going to come first? Yeah, it's like fucking crazy living on the edge. So I think that's part of but I do think like any I don't know what point I'm trying to make but the point is is that like with stand up you change don't you? Yeah, all of these things have changed and anyway, we've this started off about being about

Ray Gunn and seems to have been a... Yeah, but also, I should, I'm gonna say now to Ray Gunn, and I doubt you'd ever listen to this, but Ray Gunn, I hope that, I hope this isn't Tatara from doing breakdancing or finding something that she loves and enjoys. She clearly, when you watch her on stage enjoys doing what she's doing. Yeah, from the Wolf for now, Ray Gun, shout out to you, God bless you, much love to you. And I've never said this more earnestly before, keep doing you. Absolutely.

Right, Tom, it's about that time, my guy. Wow, feels like I've done about 10 sum ups already. Yeah, it really does. Yeah, and it feels like you should have done. But anyway, go on. sum up to ready. Yeah, it really does. Yeah. And it feels like you should have done. Anyway, gone. Show all your costs of thought. It's best in time. Take a breath. Well, for Tom, we did a lot of thinking recently about the pickled onion. Must be difficult. Must be tough. There with your onion kin, your onion family. All of a sudden you're

stripped away, thrown into a jar with vinegar, a little bit on top of you and kept there for months, sometimes a bit years. Well, for people to take that sweet, sweet taste, knowing all the time that you're changing, evolving, in some ways you're not even an onion anymore, you're a different delicacy. And I guess that's the truth of life. I guess that's what truth of life. I guess as we're all too, sometimes it's easy to think, I'll just stick me in an onion, sat in the back of a fridge, or some people put you in a cupboard. Ways to be used, but some new onions are brought,

and you're pushed further to the back of the shelf, and your coat turns green, and your skin falls off. Before you know it, someone comes to clear the cupboard and you're thrown into a bin you never used. As you're thrown into the bin, you cast your eye around and see your cousin, Neil, who strips away, and then you lose a go. And now it's just sitting in a little thing of vinegar, growing, evolving.

I want you to be more of a pickled onion. I want you to think, yeah, maybe today I won't be using a spaghetti bolognese, but I'm evolving. I'm growing. And at some point soon, someone's going to break you up with a salad. And I'll need a pickled onion. And I'll be there for them. Be there for the people you care about. Tom Packman, I'm sorry. I miss you care about. Tom Packman, I'm sorry. Miss you, bro. I'm sure Tom Packman will take that pickle onion allergy and hold it close to his heart. Yeah, yeah.

Edinburgh Festival's going on at the moment. Yeah. And I was like, obviously, I've not been to the Edinburgh Festival for years, but it did remind me of one of the last times I went. I lived with a guy called Matt Ford, one of the greatest political comedians around. By the way, I always think of Matt Ford.

People say great political comedian. I would say, I just think he's a fucking phenomenal comedian. He's one of the funniest people that I've ever been around. Yeah, I was trying to, yeah, okay. No, no, no, no, he's an outstanding, no, no, no, no, no. That's what he's known as. No, no, no, you're trying to throw me on the- No, no, no, no, but everyone's, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, a serious illness. So, um, and he's back doing gigs again. Um, so shout out to Matt Ford.

Um, but what I would say is, uh, when I lived with him, what I would say, and let's stop saying that, um, is he became obsessed and would play this song every morning. Uh, love and pride by King. Well, um, so JT, could you play us out with that? Uh, thank you so much for listening. Um, I've had my sunglasses on because I'm on holiday. You're a cool guy. You're just a cool guy. But guys, if there's anything I can say to you, it's listen, keep breaking.

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