Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 49: Thirst Traps & Pool Pals

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

It’s that time again - the Wolf and Owl are back in the studio together, ready for more face to face banter. So we’re talking… being in great shape, back cracking, very smiley photos, Insta post thirst traps, chat-show challenges, Rom’s radio show routine, Tom’s holiday disappointment and a supportive new pal at the pool, managing egos, navigating set-backs and passing the parenting buck when on holiday. Also, a big shout out to Eddie - you the man! For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Have the crowd witnessing the murder like they're rolling with a gang of crows Fuck their censorship, let em see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon, you'll see nothing All you hear's a huff a puff and a... expect killings Red spilling and flesh ripping, impressive innit The death bring in its head spinning, just kidding Every word in this song's about two grown men

dressed up as a bird and a dog. Hello, and welcome to the Wolf and I podcast. It's very exciting times. Live in the studio, baby. In the studio together. Tom, have you, you're looking absolutely ganged up to the eyeballs now. A little.

I'm hitting it hard. How much tonka ale are you taking now? I'm taking five capsules a morning. Okay. I've not had it for a week now I'm here now. How much tonka? I'll are you taking now? I'll take you five capsules a morning I don't know. I've not had it for a week because I've been away, right? So but why I'm doing it quite big and also you did paste the I've not talked to you about this actually You've been waiting You are the slipper is the snakes Why you got I haven't really got anything to say on this podcast, and then as soon as we get into it, you go...

No, but it popped into my head. This popped into my head. Okay, okay, okay. You went to get your back cracked or something, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A while ago. So I'm just scrolling through Instagram, and I see a video. He's incredible, this guy. Are you sure?

He is amazing. Sure. He's got genuinely magic hands. Okay, sure. He is amazing. Sure. He's got magic, genuinely magic hands. Okay, fine. You, Topless, getting some sort of cracking done. Yeah. Why are you posting fur straps on Instagram, I guess is the question. Right, right, no.

No, we don't want one. Can I just tell you what I think? Yeah. I think what's happened is you're in the best shape of your life Can I just be quite honest? I'm in better shape today than I was on that day. Okay fine. And also I hadn't shut like my chest hair got quite gregarious at that point it was quite long chest hair like so I did right when I went to see this guy he was like Like he's incredible at what he does, and he'll basically sort of, I've had a few sports injuries,

couple of things where I'm not feeling myself. I understand it happens to athletes. Yeah, it happens to most sportsmen, right? So I got to see him, and at the end of this, he's like, oh, it would be funny to do a video of when I crack your back, and then he, so he put it, I didn't put it up, and then he- Did he ask you to take your top off?

Oh, but top off when you when you get them you don't have your t-shirt when you're in a massage now that's a fair you know any part of you that wanted to put the t-shirt on because I probably would have done by the way what a physique we were so in the moment that I actually know if I would be honest yeah I wish I had that put a t-shirt on for that. Why because I saw the comments and I know you did too Yeah, but if I was gonna be really like there's a quite a few. I don't think I look that like I Even though I've lost weight. I still don't look at that and go. Oh, I'm really happy with my physique I can pick out four or five things in things. I'm not completely happy about that video

But also I didn't realize so when he he then put it up and added me as a club I thought he was just gonna put it up on his yeah. Yeah, did me as a collaborator. Yeah So if you're someone to do that, they'll do it when there's politeness Yeah, yeah, then decline cuz you know now a client of his I'm gonna see him once a month Yeah, and he would be bullshit. What's gonna I was gonna beep on my phone That's your watch. Yeah Just put a do not disturb there again Yeah, so I'm gonna see him on the reg Yeah, I see regularly now and I just worry that if I turn up and he's like I put that nice video up of us both

And you didn't collaborate. Yeah, I'm not a team player. I understand that. It would have been embarrassing to not do it. Yeah, but then also, I actually really thought you were going to bring up another picture that I put up. Which is that? I put up a picture when I was in Portugal in the lift with Holington Milk. Oh yeah, sorry, I do want to talk about that. I thought that's what you were going to do. I think there's breakthroughs in people's lives,

in their physique journey. Yeah, yeah. You and I have gone through a similar kind of, you know, trying to get ourselves in shape. But you're peacocking a little bit. No, when? You put a picture of you at the one show and you look like fucking...

First of all, I didn't put a picture of me up at the one show. They collaborated, didn't you, Peter? I didn't. There's a picture of you at the one show. They collaborated in, you put it. I didn't. There's a picture of you at the one show. I have never seen you looking so happy. You're like a kid that's just heard that it's four Christmases in one day.

Okay, but can I just get this into context for the photo. They'll go, can we do a photo of you? The social person comes in and she goes, can we do a photo? I go, yeah. And then I stand there doing the photo. She goes, do you want to do a smiley one? And I go, okay.

It's not reflective of- No, no, no, but you're doing the long arm as well. What's that mean? Like, so you do that long arm down by your side, yeah? And you're like looking over there. Like, you're so happy in it. Like, and there's someone who adores you, you've known you for a long time.

I've never seen you that happy, right? You know, it's genuinely the happiest I've ever seen like you're I've never seen you laugh that much Like with that's a photo right let me I'm gonna get it up. Yeah, because I think this is bullshit Well, I'm gonna say is it on your store was it on your stories on your own page. I don't know it wasn't on my page Romesh rank and Nathan every guy must search for It's not on your actual page. No I know that one show the one show put it up as a it was I'm just on their stories as well The BBC is a long

One show and by the way, this is what you get when we're face to face Minutes of silence while we Google I can't I can't find it. Okay. Well, that's a shame It's not a shame for me. So you know, but I thought that picture when I did the lift, I was like, I felt a bit more. But you knew what you were doing, didn't you? Yeah, it was like a sort of almost like. A thirst trap.

Is that what it's called? Just say what it is. Is that what it's called? Yeah, yeah. What, your thirst for compliments? Yes. I didn't know that was a thing. I know that laying down the thing. Yeah, I genuinely was in the bit. The lighting looked good. Yes. Is that, I didn't know that was a thing. I know, you got laying down the thing.

Yeah, I genuinely was in the bit. The lighting looked good. Yeah. And if I'm honest with you, I thought, I actually, you know what I mean, I actually look like, I look better now than I thought. And actually, that other video he's put, like my chest hair looks so long.

Okay, let's, this is, do you know what you sound like now? Do you know when you get like really beautiful people on a thing? Fuck off. And then they're going, they're going, how do you feel about posting pictures? Because you put pictures of yourself on your Instagram and they go, oh yeah, but do you know what? No, no, no. Honestly, people are sort of saying that my body looked perfect, but one of my nostrils was like, just didn't look, it looked slightly misshapen.

No, no, if I look at that. It's all I can think about. I think I've got quite a big gut in that video that comes out. I look at my stomach and think I look quite, I don't look at that guy, I look quite pasty. Also the guy who's breaking my neck, I don't know if you see him in it, but he's like ripped to fuck. And covered in these amazing tattoos.

You know, standing next to him. Also look like 40 times his size. I mean, it's a funny video because he's half my size. Yeah, but you still posted the lift photo. Yeah, but I posted that on stories, I don't post it. No, I just looked at the lighting in the lift was really nice. Yeah, lighting in lifts is good.

It's incredible. I wish I could spend most of my life in an elevator. I've deleted photos from my Instagram after being accused of posting the first trap. Really? Yeah, because I sort of think like, I think for somebody like, for people like us, it doesn't occur to us that that's what that photo could be.

So like, I pasted a photo of like me in the Peaky Blinders. Yeah, which I thought was an amazing picture. Thank you, very sweet of you. Very cool, innit? And I said, when somebody turns up at the protest and you're not 100% sure which side they're going to be on, right, just sort of a funny little catch. Yeah, it's a funny quote, yeah.

Anyway, I got a lot of messages going, oh, I know what you've pasted this. Oh, Rom's got one of his Peaky Blinders. And then I just deleted it. Really? Yeah, because I felt too embarrassed. I felt like, oh, that's what people think I've pasted this for. I've got to get rid of it.

Yeah, but also you look, you must have, it must have been a part of you that's put that picture up and gone, I look good, I feel good about myself, and I'm going to put this up. Because you look nice in that suit It's very difficult for me to comment on this without people sending messages of support in right because the truth is I Never think I look and there's not and I know this I can't think there's a the only photos where I think I look

Okay, is where the photo somehow because of the lighting or whatever its mask what I actually look like you sent me a picture today Right when we were jobs a judge for a job, but you look really handsome in it I think you know handsome now looking genuine I'm not so saying this because I'm trying to make you feel better like other people I do look at you now I think like I'd be lying and I'm that's not I look at myself right and I look like so When I went up to play the final show of the tour I played in Edinburgh, right? And I was going up there and this guy DMs me right he goes I'm coming to the show tonight You won't remember this picture made a joke about Tom Packman

As loads of people seem to be Tom Packman has almost become the third part of this this this now As well, he should yeah, of course. He's a legend of the game. We all have to TP. Um, right. And this guy says a picture of me, him and Dan Schreiber, right. Me and Dan Schreiber at that time were doing a show at Edinburgh and he, me in his picture was in like, I probably weighed 25 stone in this picture I'm so bloated like it and I was drinking a lot. I look at that picture and I go fucking I look a mold Like well, and I showed caffeine it was around the time I met Katherine as well. I was like, what were you thinking? Yeah, I had so if I put if I do do a picture now, I don't know as a thirst trap

Like we this picture I've taken which been away of Katherine and grace and I feel like I feel better about myself when I look at that picture Yeah, and I've had loathed how I look from the age of Was since I can remember I've looked at pictures myself I was either too skinny or too overweight or you know, whatever I could pick holes in all that You know, but if I look at a picture now I look a bit better and I look like that picture you sent today and go you genuinely look really handsome Well, it's of all of the maneuvers that you've made on me and since we started in this podcast This might be the cleverest what because I've started to sort of making a funny little dig about the first trap

Then you've gone into this sort of seven-minute monologue about if never felt really good about yourself and essentially sort of seven minute monologue about if you've never felt really good about yourself and essentially It's almost got to the point where I thought if he doesn't stop talking I could get cancelled it So well played Well, can I just summarize for you what happened? Oh Tom you posted that photo like you posted the video of you with your top off and then Yeah, then also posted that video in the lift. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bit of a thirst trap Is it first trap cuz I how I see it it it's just like somebody's just felt really low about themselves I look back at myself years ago and I look terrible and I guess okay Romesh fair

play you know I did post that photos because finally after years and years of struggling with our look and my appearance I finally decided to put something up that actually do you know what I had a little bit of pride in but But yeah, sure. Mock me is the opening thing in the podcast. That is what's happening. No, no, no, no, no, no. What I was trying to do with you is go, like look, this is our difference in how we look at life. Because I know that you're not putting it, because I know that this is how you feel. And it's like, no, you know, it's a deep root feeling. And it makes me quite sad. And I sent you another picture as a bit of a joke earlier,

which I won't get into because it's a personal joke between me and you. Well, yeah, but I mean, listen, if we were able to talk about this publicly, you'd come out of this looking pretty bad. Oh, I'd come out of it looking like the c***. But the picture I sent you, and the whole thing that I said to you,

I mean as honestly as I could, is that when I've posted it and I look at pictures, I mean as honestly as I could, is that when I've posted it and I look at pictures, there's lots of pictures of me and you from the dawn of our friendship, where we both look like that. And I look at us now and like, don't get me wrong, this isn't for me, it's ever been a journey of going, I've got to lose weight. It's been like just health has been my big thing. I went to a doctor, I was told like when we started our fertility journey, I was told that, that, that, no, what I thought was said, we couldn't go through

fertility because I was essentially in a section of obesity that would mean that having a child long-term would almost be sort of like, you know, that I probably wouldn't be around for too much longer. So, what? So, I mean, right? So... what? So... I mean... Right... What? So... no... Do you know what? I always thought I'd know when it would be the last thing I'd do publicly.

I didn't think it would be this. I thought I'd make a joke in my stand-up or I'd say something on league or be I never suspected I would get like no no no I by the way take like Julius Caesar listen I'm just saying it's you should, what I want from you is you to find that pride in your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean look, the truth of it is I sort of took the piss out of you sort of making me look bad and wanting to cancel me.

No, because I know what you're doing, you're deflecting. I know you're well enough. No, but, but, but. You're deflecting. No, don't start, don't start, don't start getting in my head. Alright? The point is actually, I sort of said it as a joke, but the truth is, it is good.

Both of us, and people have accused us of talking about this too much, and rightly so. We do talk about it too much, because it is something that we're riddled with. But I think to get to a point where you feel like, oh, do you know what, I look all right in that photo, it's a fucking, it's a big thing for us. Do you know what I mean?

So fair, do you know what? What I meant to say photo. It's a fucking it's a big thing for us. Yeah me Yeah, so fair. Do you know what what I meant to say was mate? Can I just say? Congratulations, man. Thank you man. It's a really heartwarming. I actually prefer the the snidey Yeah, because I actually find that sort of Ethical sort of thing that you've just done this more. Yeah, but yeah, I think by the way the use of the pastel today is beautiful Thanks so much. You don't really do You look good, it's good on you. That's good. I'm proud of you. Thanks so much. Proud of you for being here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Looking for a path to accelerate your career? Clear direction for next-level success? In a place that is innovative and practical? A path to

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Yeah. I love them. Yeah, good guys, good people. Yeah, very good people. Yeah, good laugh. I actually felt like, but what I find, a lot of it will fall down to who you're on the couch with, right? Yeah, who are you with?

I was with Kwame, who's actually I know a bit, he's a mate of mine, and, oh fuck, Elvis Costello. That's a good line-up. Yeah, Elvis was nice, he's a nice guy, Elvis Costello. Sort of quite evidently had no idea who I was, which is far enough, but sort of everything I said felt like, they showed Elvis Costello's career, and it's insane. You don't have any idea, you can't even knock the scab off

of how amazing Elvis Costello's life has been, and then they show the sort of like, the pinch of salt that I had on. And you're like, fucking hell. Could you have not done, it's incredible to look at what he's given the world. Yeah. I wonder if they should just be honest about that.

Do you know what I mean? Like, because inevitably, I don't think I've ever been on a chat show where I comfortably could say, I feel like I've achieved as much or Forget more than you on a lineup and Jonathan Ross and you're next to Rita Rora. You're the lineup was insane Yeah, I know that's and then so you sort of go You sort of like a competition man, right? Yeah, and then you know if you have that fear all you need to do if you're worried about that look on social media

Get that confirmed Which is good. By the way, talking about interviews, you know I've been dropped from BBC, your Radio Two one. What do you mean? I'm going to be on it in about a week to promote my stand-up special. I'm really trying to get any eyes on for the one bit of promotion I can fucking guarantee when your best mate's got a fucking radio show.

Amanda's got it in. I then get a fucking text going, oh we've had to bump you Tom to another week. It's unbelievable. When were you supposed to be doing it? I'll tell you when I was supposed to be doing it. Let's have a look now. This is meant, the decision to talk about this on the actual podcast is fucking staggering to me by the way. The idea that I wouldn't bring that myself on the fucking podcast is insane. Go on.

14th of September. You were supposed to... and set up on the fucking podcast is insane. 14th of September. Yeah, which actually now when I look at it, it's quite good because I'm going to football that day. Okay, well so you wouldn't have made it. No, I would have made it. Well, you would have made it, you'd have been half-assed about it.

No, I would have been well into it. No, I like that. Since you've had this show, you've sort of, as your big fucking, your big thing, your big celebration, your face of BBC Radio. How long is it going to take you to make the as you your big fucking you know, your big thing your big celebration reef I can face of BBC. How long is it gonna take to make the point? You're trying to make it No, I've been like looking forward to the day that I can walk in there look you in the eye go fucking hell But here we are. Yeah, you've got me here now Jay and now to Amanda guy

And you know what? I'm really looking forward to what who is the guest on the 14th that I've been bumped for I Don't know. It's, well, yeah. It's going to be very telling. So what did they say? They're just moving you? Yeah, Amanda's like, yeah, yeah. But are you doing another one? Well, we haven't got it locked in the diary.

I hope so. I hope so. What I'm hoping is that you don't get there and go, look, Tom Days was coming on the 14th, but he's kind of old news now. I didn't know you were locked in for the 14th. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've moved stuff around for it.

I was like, me, looking forward to it. It was like, you know, I had some funny little bits of shit. I know what you would have done. I know exactly how you're going to play it. And when we get you on, I know exactly how you're going to play it. You're going to rock up. I'm going to go, delighted to have one of my friends, Tom Davis. And you're going to go, oh, look at the big dog.

No, it's going to be funny. gonna, oh look at the big dog. No, it's gonna be funny. Here in the house of Radio 2. The producer's going, has he been swagging around here? Has he been giving it a big knock? Have you got your own office? Say Vernon better watch out. Has he been talking about taking over the brick for a show? Have you got your own office at Radio 2?

No, why would I have my own office? I do a weekly show. You got your own little hot desk or? No. So what do you offer? I have my own office? I do a weekly show. You got your own little hot desk or...? No. So what do you offer? I have a desk. You know, when I was on Six Music, way back, I had a little sort of desk area that we used to sit out. How often were you doing a show? Once a week?

Oh, yeah, I don't get a desk. What? No, we'd turn up and there'd be a place we could all go. No, well, no. That was my only foray into radio, which was insane. Yeah, but you're pretty good, aren't you? No, it was an awful show. No one listened to it. It was like four listeners. It was on six music, and it went out at 1 AM.

It was just terrible. Yeah, I still feel like I'm new to that show. Even though I've been doing it. Yeah, but you are new to that show. I know, I've been doing it for like three months now, four months. Yeah, but in any job, your first month is just like you're thinking about getting to know people.

Second month, you sort of like finding, you can't still ask people where the canteen is. Third month, you might be out to pull one or two sickies. Yeah, it's, yeah, I'm still getting used to it. What is the vibe? What are the people like? What are your colleagues like? Well, the production team are amazing.

Yeah, of course. So I sort of have a meeting with them on a Wednesday morning on Zoom. We talk about what we're gonna do on the Saturday show. Then I'll have a look through and think about what I'm gonna talk about. Then Saturday morning I turn up, so show starts at 10. Is this interesting?

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think so. Show starts at 10, I normally turn up at 8.30. Okay. Little train into town, shoot. Yeah. Yeah, nice. Why are you saying it with a snigger like that? That's not what I would do.

No, no, no. Just like the idea of you getting your paper, sitting there with you. I do sort of, I do have a bit of a routine for that. Of course you have. You're a guy with a routine. Although, I keep getting, leaving it too late to walk to the station. At least you're supposed to drop you.

Yeah. And then a few, more than one occasion, I've left a thing behind that I needed to have with we've had to tell you doing props and stuff on the show Yeah, I basically like a suitcase with like a bowling ball a box of rice krispies and 12 eggs I don't want to get into what the thing was And obviously I obviously have a kazoo for when I do jokes Obviously don't blame the kazoo. I have someone who does that for me. And then I've got the old Swanee whistle. From the thing that's a little bit blue.

They keep saying to me, leave it at the studio, but I like to have it with me. Little bit of blue for radio tune. This is a rubbish. So yeah, but I'm still getting used to it. But listen, mate, I'd love to have you on. The only thing I can think of is some Hollywood person that can only do that day. Yeah, I mean, I'm hoping it's there. Why are you promoting the stand-up thing? So it used to be you promote this thing when it comes out, right?

Yeah, but now it's been out for two weeks. Make sure you watch it, by the way, underdog available on Sky. The only promotion it seemingly had is this. I've been on, I've been on the trouble. You went on the one show. Yeah, I know, but ended up chatting about that. I think we talked about who do you think you are more than we talked about this special, that's also the problem.

That's not on them. That's on me. Hold on, are you doing Who Do You Think You Are? No, no. So why did you talk about that then? Cause it was like 10th anniversary or 20th anniversary of whatever, of Who Do You Think You Are. Yeah, but then you segway it into your promo. No, no, no, but then they were like, you know or 20th anniversary of whatever, of who do you think you are? Then you segway into your promo, don't you? No, no, no, but then they were like, you know, Alex turned around and said, you know, do you watch it?

And I'm like, yeah, big fan of it. And then I start chatting about... Yeah, but, okay. Ask me the question that Alex asked you. Okay, I'll tell him right now. I go, um, well, who do you think you are? Is 10 years old. Are you a fan of the show, Tom? Uh, yeah, well, you know, absolutely. It's one of the greatest institutions on television. I love it with my bones and my blood.

And actually, things I watch on TV, one of the many things that I discuss in my show, Underdog, sort of about my life and times and sort of my perspective on where our life goes. And look, the truth is I'm a very talented actor. Have you got popcorn in your teeth? Look, am I partial to a bit of popcorn? Sure, sue me. But you know the fact of the matter is that... So anyway, Elvis Costello Your career has lasted But that is the world. Yeah. Also, who do you think you are by the way? I was are you doing it? Are you not gonna know? No, no, no, I just enjoyed a show. I watched the Paddy McGuinness one the other day. I

Do a paddy. I love Paddy McGuinness. I know you do He's a special. In fact the other day on the phone you said he makes you laugh more than anybody else in the world He does make you laugh. He's one of the funniest people I've ever yeah Yeah, you said when you're in that rank you didn't say that I'm gonna say it to you because you become so arrogant now I know I Like if I was chatting to paddy on the phone, okay, you know fucking makes me piss my pants Romsky and he'd be like To company I hope you don't refer to me as Romsky to company. No, that isn't, Red has made that a thing. Oh yeah, yeah. All right Romsky.

All right Romsky. So hold on, so you're still promoting your stand-up special? I've got to keep promoting it because I don't know if enough eyes have been on it. Why do you, okay. Look, can we get to the bottom of this, the nub of this, right? Yeah, if I'm going to be honest, I'm worried that still, I can tell you now, unlike, I don't know if you ever feel this, right? I was going to say I'm like you,

but I know that you're probably in the same, the amount of times, right? So I've just been away on holiday, I'm in the hotel, someone turns around to me, he's chatting. Number one, one of the few things that I'll, what I'm loving is being away so I can listen to podcasts. You should do a podcast, I do a podcast. I'd do a podcast. I've done a podcast for three fucking years.

Who with? Ramesh. I love Ramesh. I didn't know you two did a podcast together. That's insane. So if you like both of us, 90% of my fucking feed is the podcast. And then, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

What else have you been up to? I've just done a standup tour. I didn't know you did standup. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know my special. I didn't know you did stand-up. Yeah, I know, I did it on my special. I didn't know you had a special. So I don't know for some reason, it's not translating across. You've put a lot of pressure on this one guy, aren't you?

No, but that's happened multiple times. Happened in the black cab over here. I didn't know you did stand-up. Why did you mention to him that you did stand-up? Because we were chatting about Tom Skinner. What's that got to do with it? Well, he turned around to me, he went, oh, you're west end, aren't you? You know Tom Skinner? I was like, yeah, I know Tom a bit. And he was like, What's that got to do with it? Well, he turned around to me, he went, Oh, you're West Ham, aren't you?

You know Tom Skinner. And I was like, yeah, I know Tom a bit. And then we started chatting a little bit. And then he said, what's going on for you? You been busy? I haven't seen you around for a while. I went, no, no, I've been doing it at all. And I haven't, I haven't been doing much else.

Like, you know, I always get a little bit worried. The last thing I actually did was Wonka. Can we, while we're talking about you on holiday. Yeah. Cause like there's some people that might think that you're a bullshitter. Yeah. Which you are on many things. Yeah, of course. Yeah Yeah, that's one of the problems I'm having now when I'm writing an autobiography I can't remember what's true and what's not. But we got, I just got to find this. Oh god. What? What is this?

Let me just try and get it up because it's like Here we go. Okay. Right, so we were talking about you were talking about you on holiday We're talking about the difference between us. Right? Yeah, we've got this email in This paints such a picture. I mean, it's not it's not a long email but It's just oh god This is from Eddie and the family does that mean anything to you?

Yeah, I think it might do, yeah, yeah. Big thanks to the wolf. Big thanks to the wolf for humoring me and numerous other stiffs during our family holiday in the Algarve last week. In the face of some truly shocking continental bacon, he handled the buffet big friends with ease, chatting with fans while simultaneously handling a two-year-old. The only downside, depending on how you look at it, is that my wife has stopped talking to me. Apparently I ruined our holiday going on about Tom fucking Davis. Lots of love from Eddie and the family, just the kids. My wife still thinks you're a retired Eastern European basketball player. I assume that's some sort of in-joke with you and Eddie.

So that to me is you with little G. Yeah. As you're dealing with little G, just throwing it out there. Well, little G, number one is what we might say, little chip off the old block. She's a little social butterfly that's getting amongst the chat and the people.

Eddie, I will say by the way, is an incredible, genuinely, I say this a lot, but he's a very incredible, no, he is say by the way, is an incredible, genuinely, and I say this a lot, but he's a very incredible, no, he is, he's someone, I mean, I'll get into this another time. I had a bit of, one of those days, I don't really wanna talk about this, but I had a bit of a, I've been up for this film, and no, but this isn't a nice story,

and I didn't really wanna go into it, but, and I've been basically waiting for weeks, and I've been, we've been told, oh've been, you know, we've been told, oh, this is going to happen, this is going to happen. And, and then I literally got, while I was on holiday, I get a call from Ollie, my agent is like, this isn't going your way. And it's actually really bad.

And what the way it was handled was good, right? So they didn't have it in a decent way. It was really probably in 15 years in this industry is probably the lowest of I felt in that situation. And it's just quite. I'm sorry to hear that. I didn't actually, you haven't even told me this off. No, no, no, no. Probably in 15 years in this industry is probably the lowest of I felt in that situation No, no, so it was so and I don't really want to but it was it was a Long like going back on what we talked about earlier I know you put we knew you had that sense of worthlessness and a lot of the time and that is our go-to I and there's a lot of stuff about sort of

Imposter syndrome. And then for this to happen in the way that it happened was absolutely quite crushing. And actually I had to shout Catherine out because Catherine was amazing. And in the meantime, just doing all this, I'm then sitting there and I'm trying to sort of write this chapter or sort of my book, of a book about my life. And then, so with this happening simultaneously, that feeling of worthlessness, and I know that you've written, and you've been amazing by the way,

with giving me advice on that. But then obviously I'm writing about stuff, and I'm genuinely thinking, who's gonna read this? And I felt like a fucking loser. I felt like, like I say, and I won't go into the specifics or the people, because it's not this disingenuous of me, but it's just quite a low moment.

Anyway, this guy Eddie is playing with his kids in the middle of a pool and we just started chatting about this podcast and other stuff. And I was just, he asked what I was doing. I was like, I'm just trying to write this book, but I don't think anyone's gonna fucking read it. Who would care? I was quite low.

And he actually was very, very incredible. He was very nice, very generous with his time, but also he was just very lovely in how he spoke about myself and you and what we do. And actually- What did he say about me? No, I'm joking. No, but he actually took the time and I said to him it meant a lot and I don't think he really realised quite how much it did mean because at that point in my life I'd felt

like quite low and I was doing that thing that I don't know if you do, I was on holiday and I was trying not to let it affect Catherine, I was trying not to let it affect Grace, I was trying not to let it affect myself, but in the quiet moments it was having quite an impact. I felt like I love acting, I think I'm okay here, but that had made me completely question whether I should even bother going for auditions, whether I should even bother acting anymore, like genuinely to the point of going, I'm and but that had made me completely question whether I should even bother going for auditions Whether I should even bother acting anymore like genuinely to the point of going I'm pretty much I might I say to Ollie I'm almost gonna just check out. I'm just I'll go and do stand-up or do but like if the way it was dealt with Was just awful and it's like so and I didn't want to get in this I was pretty we talked to you about over a pint or when me and you were together

Like I didn't really want to talk to you over the phone about it because it's just, I've tried to distance myself and not deal with it. But yeah, Eddie was very good at that time. And again, I didn't expect to be talking about this now. But yeah. Well, I'm sorry you went through that, man. And I'm glad that Eddie was there for you.

Thank you, Eddie. Yeah, you're a good guy, Ed. Thank you, mate. I've talked about this, haven't I? You know about the three pilots when I was on my way to Cork Road. Yeah, thank you Eddie. Yeah, you're a good guy. Thank you. I had I've talked about this I do you know about the the free the three pilots when I was on my way to yeah, yeah Yeah, I think that's I'm not saying that I'm not comparing experiences But but what I would say is that was and I think you had the moment like this I know you don't want to go into it too much. But like when you have that moment of like going I

Am just gonna to completely disappear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I remember you saying the same thing, and it was like that. But I think me and you have a very, and I'm probably one of the most open relationships with you when it comes to how I feel emotionally, but also I'm always aware that me and you

care a lot about you. So when you go for a lot, and you've been through a bit of this recently, I then take it out on myself because I feel for you. And I think like likewise, when I'm talking about stuff, I always think, pick a moment to chat to you rather than just call you for my holiday. Cause I know then you're going to be worried I'm on holiday. I'm going to be chilling.

Will I come out? Hello Eddie mate. You know, the big fella's got, he's got. Can you give someone a call? I'm not going to be hosting league today. Someone I love has got an emergency. Bye bye Georgino. Yeah, but I remember you going for a simmer think. But also, the thing it does for me at some times, it just then makes you retrospect It makes you retrospectively, makes you go, you kind of got to be as decent as you can with other people.

And when you feel that way, you're just always... I try to pride myself on being honest and decent with people, but then you go like... And I need to shout out Oli, actually, as well, because he's been very... He was upset with him as well, because he's been very like, he was upset with him as well because he put a lot of time and effort into us trying to get this thing and you know, things don't get away and like when you audition for stuff, you're always

like, oh, this might just not go for me or that and that's fine. That's just the nature of the beats. That's the game that we've all signed up for. But when things are handled to a point where you're felt, made to feel in a way that generally quite worthless and like you've been used or that then becomes something a bit bigger. And I think when you come from the background, I come from, you come from, and we've both, we've been very open about our mental health and I always am, and that's who I, as a person, but deep-grained in me is always going to be a feeling of the feeling quite worthless.

And that comes from as far back as I can remember. And I think that when things like this are triggers, it then has an implication that can derail me at times to go out, you know, question every little thing that I'm doing. And yeah. You know the thing is without getting like too serious, but like I think So if you think about what happened to you, right? You had a big disappointment and then you spoke to let's use Eddie as the example here, right? You spoke to Eddie and he made you feel better right because he bigged you up. I'm oversimplifying it. Yeah

yeah, but so like what that is is like I Think for me I think mental mental health or mental contentment is about moving. And I'm not, by the way, I'm as guilty as this as anyone is moving beyond being a victim of that. Right. So what, so what I mean by that is really the ideal, the, the, the absolute peak is that you feel how you feel about yourself regardless of what happens.

Do you know what I mean? So like if something happens at work that's shit, right? You might go that's disappointing, but it doesn't change your perception of who you are, right? And similarly, if somebody goes, I thought you were really great in that thing, that's nice to hear, but that doesn't increase yourself first because what you think about yourself is centered and stable and it's a rock, right? Yeah. Neither of us have that. Do you know what I mean? And most people don't have that. It's that thing of like, sometimes when I walk off, like I'm doing League of their Own at the moment, when I walk off a record. I'm like a fucking

Thirsty puppy just wanting some like Validation of like so was that how was it? Was that okay? Was that okay? Yeah, yeah Well, well, he sort of said yeah wrong cuz I'd asked I wish they sort of offered that Let me go somewhere. The guests were good, weren't they? Yeah, they were and what were Can I directly ask about how the hosting was? Is, I mean, it's mad. And it's like that thing of like that validation makes you feel good. When somebody goes, Oh, that was really good. But the truth is that is like, that's fucking ego.

Like, you know, it's, um, by the way, there's not me Chris. I'm saying this as like for both of us. It's like, it's that thing of like going, you shouldn't need it, but it's like you said, if you're hardwired, as many of us are to have imposter syndrome, to, to, to need acceptance and, and to feel part of something and feel like to whatever. What happens is, is like, if you're in a default setting of being worried that you don't fit in, then what you're looking at is confirmation bias.

Do you know what I mean? As soon as something happens, you just go, yes, that's how I thought. I looking at is confirmation bias. Do you know what I mean? As soon as something happens, you just go, yes, that's how I thought, I'm a piece of shit. Do you know what? I was wondering if I was a piece of shit and I had a suspicion, but now that's happened, I'm a piece of shit, cool. And then if somebody says something nice to you,

you go, oh, I'm not gonna feel like a piece of shit for an hour, right? I'd say that my, and I think that's very true of both of us, I'd say that thing that, and I know this is you as well, is that the negatives always like, so Eddie saying that was a lovely thing to say, and that lasted for like an hour, and then within no time, something else takes me back

to feeling that other feeling. Like, there's always a feeling of that worthlessness or that self-imposter syndrome will always kick in a lot like the getting out of that is Far harder than coming like so also I will say that like it's always lovely when people pay your compliment It's always like even today when you were doing that. I don't feel comfortable with that. I find it Yeah, yeah, because you have put your hand on the desk and you sort of like slowly peck me. But no, but I find it, I find that sometimes, like I don't sometimes know how to do it, because I was not used to that. It's not something that, you know, even like as a kid or as, you know, whatever, anyway, but it's like, my point is it's just, it's a difficult thing to

sort of like navigate yourself through. And I think that we've talked a lot about it on here. I think then, you know, the only thing I'd say that, and not to get too deep, is but, my fear was when I was sitting and like, again, I didn't want to talk about it. I didn't ever have any thought I'd even talk about this today. I thought we'd dodge that bullet, actually.

But I literally, at one point was like, having caffeine in grace in my life, I was like, I don't know what would have, where I'd be in the situation I'm in right now. If I couldn't look at the fact I've got this amazing kid and amazing wife, I don't even know where I'd be if this news had happened before then. Just to the way that it was handled and done

is that I wouldn't have had what I've got now even with you as a friend of outlets of dealing with that mental health and who I am. Then I look back and go and my worry is it's probably not an isolated thing of not just to talk about me but anyone who works within our industry, actors, actresses and we're living in a time at the moment where it's quite scarce and you look and go, Christ, like, is there more that can be done, I guess, for people that, just this stuff not being a way of handling things. I get it, I get, people are busy,

people with other things are going on, but yeah, man, it just wasn't cool. And so that was just a retrospective look at things and go, oh, you know what, actually, like, yeah, I think, you know, I'm very lucky I've got that in my life and I've got good friends like yourself and you know Oli, Flo, whoever and I can just go that there's a strength there and those people have given me a strength with dealing with things but if I didn't have that that's

where that's where I start my mind gets into a darker place and that's where you just you know like I say when we started off, I didn't expect to get this thing. Can I say, in conclusion, I hope you're fucking proud of yourself, Eddie. No, Eddie, thank you. Thank you, Eddie. And by the way, Eddie didn't know a lot about the context that I was going into, the depth of it.

But when you started- Because that would have been a whole different matter. Eddie's email wouldn't have been like this if I'd been crying on the sun lounger. Can you imagine if Eddie had gone, oh, mate, this if I'd been crying on the sun lounger. If Eddie had gone, oh mate, I think it would be fucking great if you wrote a book. You've got no idea how much I'll need to hear that today, Eddie. Hi, I'm just wanting to say that I got stuck with Tom Davis for eight hours on a sun lounger, my skin burned.

Actually, can you say thanks and fuck you to Tom Davis for me missing my flight? Because he wouldn't stop wanging on about his self-value Yeah, but I'm sorry you went through that man, that's hard as shit But it's life man, and it's a very difficult thing that because I could I can sit down and I can tell you what I Think of you which is I think you're way. Yeah, the most amazing human beings I've ever met. I think you're supremely talented I think you've got a heart of gold. But the fact of the matter is, is like you have to have that.

And we're not just talking about ourselves by the way. Cause by the way, I'm fully aware that this is going to get an Apple review of like two successful men moaning about their lot in life. It's not that. It's like, I think that, we're supposed to be moving past the deep bit, but I think a lot of the times you can look at people that, and by basically moving past the deep bit, but I think a lot of the times

you can look at people that, and by the way, me and Tom, to all intents and purposes, we're living our dream. Yeah, of course. We're doing it. We work in a creative industry, the thing that we wanted to do, the thing that we rolled the dice on doing. But the fact of the matter is, and I see it with football as well, because footballers get like, their social media is so disgusting, like the responses they get, the comments they get, right?

Is you can look at somebody and you can go, they're bulletproof. Yeah. Right? Because they're doing this, that and the other. And by the way, I just want to be complaining, but I think wherever you are in life, whatever, however it's perceived to be, we all have our own fucking things, do you know what I mean? And like actually part of the reason that you end up being a comedian and I'm talking about being a stand-up comedian is almost the most narcissistic thing that you can do in the world, right? Where you go, I'm going to say stuff on stage and you must laugh every so often to let me know that you're enjoying what you're doing. Otherwise I I'm gonna be really sad later Right, it's fucking

Like every like and like yeah the Apple of you whatever with him but is like the stuff that I've done in my life Incredible real mean and I'm very proud of it. But Yeah, I'd like you footballers sports people other actors Performers of up, performers, singers, whatever. Rappers. Yeah, rappers, famous gardeners. Painters. Dancers, dance troops.

But everyone's going through shit. And it is a fucking, it's a lottery. And also, like I say, I also know how lucky I am with stuff, that's never lost on me as well. So it's not mutually just like the darkness, it's also the light of feeling that. Can I just say one more time, well done Eddie. Eddie, I look forward to seeing you again sir. Thank you so much. Maybe pop by the studio.

Yeah, that'd be great. I feel for Eddie now because he's actually really really charismatic and lovely guy. Yeah Eddie look Eddie the truth is you don't know how much you'd like you did an amazing thing man. Yeah yeah yeah. You know that and that what a lesson that is about you don't know you don't know the cameo you're making in some songs. That's the other thing isn't it I guess in life is to be a about, you don't know. You don't know the cameo you're making in someone's life. But that's the other thing, innit, I guess, in life, is to all be a bit Eddie. And like, you know.

Yeah, can we all be a bit more Eddie? Yeah, you know, lend a little bit of light. Yeah, you've got no idea when somebody might need you. Yeah, a smile and a laugh goes a long way. I will say, though, by the way, and actually getting on a bit of a lighter subject, shower, Eddie, and a few other people. What I couldn't get my head around on holiday,

I don't know where you sit with all this, right, is the amount of people that seemingly, so I get away, I know you all like that with your boys, we talked about Rangable, so I love nothing more than getting in a pool with Grace, we were getting a lilo out, and I was doing boat trips or teaching her to swim. What I couldn't get my head around is at times

is how many people, like all of a sudden, there's a little girl who comes over who starts playing with Grace, they start playing together, right? And then like me and Catherine, this kid's been here for like three hours playing with Grace and making, doing tea sets and playing whatever. Like where are her parents?

And then the parents would come over and go, hey, how you doing? I was just coming over, we're just over there at the bar just saying how lovely it is that they're playing together. Just saying like, we're just over there, but it's great that she seems happy over here with you. What?

Like, I don't know, you don't know me. Like, you kids being over for three and a half, and like to the point where we were ordering lunch, and the kid was like, I'm hungry, I had to go over to the parents and go, like, your kid's over here, hungry, and they're like, oh, she's not told us I'm hungry. Well, she's been there now for five hours,

didn't you think she wanted to eat? It's like, the passing of the, like, the amount of times where I'd look and go, all of a sudden, the Lilo's got four kids on it, you're dragging around the pool, and their parents are all sitting there getting leathered. And I, remember when we did the King Gary episode, Teen Dad, I wasn't a dad at this point, He's got four kids on it. You're dragging around the pool and their parents was in they're getting leathered and I Remember we did the King Gary episode team dad. I was a dad at this point It was a James DeFront idea and he did it

We did this whole thing with like another dad just passing the buck I didn't know how true that was until this year another day Well, I'm like looking around and thinking if they don't know that they're just like oh, he's things What kids just we're just gonna be at the bar. Did you, have you had that vibe? Well, I've not had the vibe where, no, look, I'm gonna tell you this now, nobody's leaving their kids with me. All right?

That's the first thing, okay? What, is that your choice or theirs? I genuinely don't have the demeanor of somebody you think, oh, do you know what? I think they'll be happy hanging out with him. But, this is, least when I've talked about this a bit, and I'm not saying this in a judgmental way, okay? At all, right? Because people parent how they pair. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I think

There's people that go on holiday Of this I'm gonna get some shit for this. Yeah, I in my opinion There's people that go on holiday to hang out with their kids. Yeah, and there's people that go on holiday to escape their kids All right. Yeah, it's true. And to a certain degree, I've been in conversations where occasionally you get into a conversation with groups of parents. And a lot will be on holiday. Now, bearing in mind, I'm away a lot with work.

So it's a bit different. So if I'm going on holiday, I do not want to. If the kids say they want to go to a kids club, I'm not going to stop them because I want them to have a good time. But I'm a to stop them because I want them to have a good time, but I'm a bit gutted because I want to hang out with them, do you know what I mean? All the time. So, and Lisa's like the sort of the same way. I don't feel like I have the desire to get away from them. I don't think, oh, let's leave them somewhere so we can go get some drinks.

I'll sort of drink around the guys. That doesn't even work. You'll get drunk, yeah. Yeah, I'll get fucking levered and I'll do a couple of lines with the guys and they know that's just daddy's on holiday. But what I mean is like we were chatting to some parents and they go have you been to this restaurant and that restaurant and we were like at least when I was like no and they go how come and they go well they don't do fucking chicken nuggets. We've got two of our kids who just don't do fucking chicken nuggets. Do you know what I mean? I can't, we can't, we've got two of our kids that are like, who just don't,

there's certain shit they won't eat. And then they'll be like, oh, you can just leave your kids there and go, but I don't wanna, I just feel like there's certain parents that are like, and I get it, because parenting is hard. You know, it's really hard. But also, it's harder when you're also, not just parenting your kid, but you're having

them parent kids that you've never met and parents that you don't even know yeah that's what I thought but I'm a bit like you know that thing I'm from because I do think it's a weird thing that people just as soon as they see that yeah I should fucking bother them fine over there and they don't seem to think about the like that I find it insane I've never ever go sit at a bar and go, where's Grace? Oh, she's over there with the lad. She seems happy enough.

Do you know what I mean? I mean, look, sometimes the kids will go to a room with someone for a bit. Yeah. And I just go, look, if you're back in an hour and you're cleaned up, it's all good. Do you know what I mean? I find it an insane thing of being away.

I was saying that, yeah. But, look, it's that thing of like, I mean, the other thing is, I guess. Why do you start whispering? Because. This is going out no matter what. Oh yeah, that's true. I get slightly nervous of like the impression

that the kids give, do you know what I mean? So like, if I would never, I could never leave the kids, with like, I could never put the kids in that position where they're with somebody else's parents It was somebody with another set of parents right because I sort of think fuck I'm like what if they're a burden? Do you know they're not my kids are not burdened, but like what if they are accidentally or what if they're unintentionally and also like sometimes? The impact I want my our family to have on the surrounding environment is so minimal as soon as our kids stop Like making any kind of noise or ever. I'm just like those just please. Can you check? Oh mate I mean

Can you just please? And like that the boys love language man is fucking rinsing each other all the time all the time Like they could do a podcast man. Really Really? Just them. The Ranga Boys? They're just constantly giving each other shit. Like all day, every day. It's like a training camp, man. These kids are gonna come out and raise a shot. Just constantly, oh imagine if you had to go outside

and you're wearing that T-shirt. Oh my god. Do you know what, I had a nightmare the other day. Like I woke up screaming because I had your haircut. It'd be shit like that just all the time. Just non-stop. And sometimes it sort of escalates and like, boys, please just fucking relax.

What, do they shout at each other or? They just start to get heated. You know, like when you just sort of, not in a horrible, but in a, well, it is in a horrible way. Well, one thing I have a worry with Grace is her lack of sharing. Right. She ends to the point. You've got that, haven't you?

The lack of sharing. I will say this I find it strange actually to have to turn around to a child and say share your toys But then I'm like if that's like if I came over to you and put your sunglasses on I meant seeing a bit I was gonna borrow these and walk around the pool for color It's the same thing of like go to be better at sharing the stuff that you've brought all your possessions If I was to go, that's a nice chain. All right, if I wear that tonight,, we don't do that as adults. What the fuck are we doing with kids? To go like, there's no shit, I can't just take your hoodie off you and just go, lovely hoodie, I'm going

to take that. But she is like literally not having it. And also, so she would be playing with something and another kid would come out over and she'd go, no, I go, Grace, come on, share. And she'd go, I don't like share. I don't want to share. I'm like, okay, like, you know, it's very specific. This is something you're saying, you know, and other parents are then staring over. And they, yeah, and by the way, that then you get parents going, oh, our child's great at sharing.

She's amazing at sharing. That's the other thing we're starting to find now, that jealousy thing. Not jealousy, what is it called, upmanship? Yeah, that's a big parenting thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they tell me, oh, I see that she's still wearing a swimming nappy Yeah, Rosie doesn't yeah, she completely potty trained herself. She was she was actually potty trained before I was

She's so I didn't expect your daughter to be pretty trained on the basis that you shat in the pool But yeah, it's difficult that one. But yeah, what can you do? It's about that time. We've done about two hours on this one. Okay. It's got quite deep. It's got deeper than I thought.

And friends, I'm sorry if that wasn't your drive. And... It's always a mixed bag here at The Wolf and Al. Yeah, it is. And I mean that both in content and quality. But friends, it would be a miss of me not to make this about one person, I guess. We have a choice in life as we navigate through it. As a mortal core turns around and we stand atop it,

we have options. There's options when you meet people to be a rainy forecast, a windy day, poor score on how they're feeling. Or you can be a ray of sunshine, show the people a brighter day, give them that warm fuzzy feeling and they go, hey, maybe it's okay to go outside. And that's what we all should all try and do when we're in command of the emotional weather of

other people's day push forward aside there's always a bit more sunny try as much as you can and it's impossible sometimes but always remember if i'm pushing out rain other people are going to get wet and if I'm pushing that Sun That shit drives them up Well, I guess I'm going around about where saying is if you can try to be a little bit more Eddie Have a little Eddie inside of you and remember a little sunshine on your face goes a long way Well really really nice and as always to be in the studio and watch it happen in the flesh it's I remember I imagine it's like when the France

World Cup winning side would turn to watch Zidane in his pump. To play us out LL Cool J, your fan? I love LL Cool J. Got a new album. You met him recently, didn't you? Well, on Zoom. I still met LL Cool J. Yeah, he's pretty cool. Yeah, he's an epic guy. One of my favorite films that he's in. Deep Blue Sea? I'd love Deep Blue Sea, but Swat with Colin Farrell,

he's sick in that film. He's great in Deep Blue Sea, though. He's great in everything. LL Cool J's just got that vibe. Yeah. I'm very jealous that you met him. Yeah, well I told him I bought LL Cool J's platinum got that vibe. I'm very jealous that you met him. Yeah, well I told him I bought LL Cool J's platinum body. Oh wow.

What did he say? When he was really at his peak fame, he brought out a book, LL Cool J's platinum body. And I bought that book and I thought, I genuinely, it's so naive, I thought my body would be like LL Cool J's. He's getting there now baby. It's never gonna get there. The truth is chapter one it should go just to say starting off

have my genetics. He's put some seeds yeah. Anyway he's done a new album and I always get nervous when rappers have been around for a while but bring out a new record but it's really good and he's done a tune with Eminem which is absolutely incredible it's called Murder Graham Duh and they both go off. JT could you play that song for us? Thank you people. Thank you so much people take care of yourselves. And each other. Bye bye. The career ended with a road killer stopped to his fender I'm on another bender, drunk off the power to make a coward surrender As I devour contenders, talking foul of whoever Your head is bout to get salmoned, then I'm bout to impleture

I'm pouring out, I'm a redder, homies I won't forget them So tap the bottle and pour it, supermodels I ignore them later Owners like poor reincarnation of the ripper I give stitches and chest-sippers, cinderellas get propelled out the glass-lipper glass slippers. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com. That's wolfalpod.gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you, mainly because we don't have any content ideas. Thank you.