Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts - God Moves Only

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Issa WETV Throwback! SJR caught up with her friend Michelle Williams and sis was candid! She shared what she'd tell her younger self, what led to breaking off her engagement, and what she believes God has called her to do next in her life. Tune in for some edifying girl talk!

God can't bless you for ten to be or who you compare yourself to. He can only bless you and the lane that was created for you. I've built that for somebody. You don't need no itch, itch, itch, itch, itch, you need boundaries. What? I don't need your lights, I don't need your validation. All I need is a God party for me that's there for all things. All things, all things.

Try. Girl. Hey. It's PJ interview time. I'm excited. Now how does this go? We just kind of, you know, that's how we live your life. You sister?

Yes. I like this pajamas. They're saved. They are saved, okay. No tension. A're saved. They are saved. Okay. I know. Show it. A little, little, little. You better let them know I got it. Yes. Thank you for doing this. Of course. I'm so excited to talk to you. It's always

a joy to talk to you. You know, just moments ago, I found out that you flew out for this. Yeah. I am blown away by the sacrifice. That's what friends do. You don't have no friends that you don't plan for you. You need some new friends. That's true. That's a nugget.

That's tweetable. Yes, it is. You better start it already. That's free. I don't know, I guess friendship in the nature of friendship and womanhood just changes so much throughout the years. And I think sometimes you know that there are certain things you would do for people, but you don't always know like what are the depths of what they will do in return.

That's good. Yeah, so like, but you showed up. No, I'm very grateful for that. Thank you. I am grateful for you. I'm grateful for for that. Thank you. I am grateful for you. I am grateful for everything that you do. The phone call meant the world to me. And I just felt that I am supposed to be here.

So it was no problem. It was no problem. I have the app on my phone. You strike the reservation, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, get on the plane, come here and land. I ate some Kalamari and the lobby. You're back in here?

And we're here. I feel like the last year of your life that I've known you've been so intentional about being where you want to be and not where you people think you should be. Yeah. And doing what feeds you. How did you come to that place? Have you always been there and maybe I'm just now more exposed to it than I was before. But Have you always been there? And maybe I'm just now more exposed to it than I was before. But no, I think circumstances, life, things will happen that kind of shake you to maybe shift you.

And you're like, way hold up. What do I need to be doing? I am at an age where I think, you know, 20 years in the entertainment business at such a young age, you're kind of spoiled. People are doing things for you, you know, 20 years in the entertainment business at such a young age, you're kind of spoiled. People are doing things for you, you know, and it's like, okay, at what point do you grow up at what point do you begin to make meaningful intentional moves that sets you up even better for the rest of your life?

So I'm in a place where I'm happily saying no, I am literally looking for sales to see what accent shares I can get for my new place. So that's that's where I am. God has been so good that I needed to I just wanted to take some time out to say, okay, these next moves gotta be God moves. Yeah. And that's where I am. So how do you say no without feeling the fear of letting people down or making people please think? I thought about that the other day, I have a situation that has come up

and it's a situation where now I know my worth. Okay. And I was like in, oh, with like three exclamation points and it felt so Good. Yeah, and when people say how do you do it? You just do it or Maybe it's because you've done you've been put in situation so many times where you do do things for other people And then you kind of feel yucky. Yeah, like, I should have said no, because I know my worth. Yeah. And so that's where I am.

I know my worth. And if that means me sitting out, then that's what I'll do. So if you had to go back and give yourself, and I know like we'd only with regrets and all of those things, if you had to go back 20 years ago, when you were that young girl

in the entertainment industry who was starting off, and people were doing things for you. What's one thing that you would whisper in her ear? I would whisper in her ear and say, it's okay to speak up. It's okay to speak up and that's that. It's okay to speak up. And when you look back, people will respect you later. Like, yeah, she had a, she had a backbone. Yeah. You know, because I, I think that that's really significant

because people end up feeling trapped in their own lives. And it's like, how do I get out of this without upsetting it? Yeah. You know, but the truth is, you can't get out of it without upsetting it in some capacity because if it were working Then you could do the same, but it's not working. So how do I get out of this with peace that the upset is only so that I can Reset Okay, and God can give me the foundation that I really need but I think there's a fear of My life falling apart a fear of people changing the way that I really need, but I think there's a fear of my life falling apart, a fear of people changing the way that they see me.

At what point do we come to this place where it's like, yeah, but what I need is more important than where I am. I think when you find yourself, you know, yes, when you get in certain positions. Yeah, you are to be a blessing You're supposed to help you supposed to help launch you're supposed to do this when you when you find out You're at a deficit. Yeah, then that's an issue, you know, because you're not taking care of you You're not you're saying yes to so many other people, but you're not even you don't know how to say yes to you anymore And so in this season, it's me

You know saying yes to you anymore. And so in this season, it's me, you know, saying yes to myself. Um, and that's really, really an awesome feeling. I don't know if 40 has anything to do with it. I don't know if experience hurts this and that, but I just want better. I just want better. I just want better. And you've been so transparent on social media about that pursuit of better. And you have shared so many things that I have related to that I know so many other people

relate to. And I know that social media can be a challenging place for all of us, but I know that it has not been easy growing up in the spotlight the way that you have with so much, with people having so much access to you. You know what I mean? Because before social media, you could be famous and what people were saying, like they have to be a reporter to get to you. But now anyone can say anything. And yet you still with so much clarity with so much seeming confident share your vulnerability so that people can be helped.

Yeah, I know from me right now running my own social media which one day that will change, but it's like I don't want to put anything out there that's not real. At the same time, I still believe in having some mystique about me, just like you do, but giving people enough like, okay, Lord, this is going to help somebody, it's going to inspire somebody. They probably going to find out either way you just put it out there. You tell your story, don't let anybody else tell your story. But I am at a place where I feel like I've gone through some of the same things that other people, the person who bought the cookies here might have gone through. And it's like, no, share that, let people know that.

And I think that one of the things that I admire the most is how you're kind of like unweaving some of the things that your childhood experiences place into the woman you are now. My husband, I say all the time, we're like everything that's wrong with everybody started when they were kids. There was an experience or an exposure that shaped how you see the world. But it's been some of those things that you're comfortable sharing that kind of shaped you as a woman that you had to decide, no, I want to take a different form. Well, words are very powerful. Um, words that were spoken to you at three or 13, 23 or 33.

Words are very powerful. And so when you look at words that are spoken to you, if somebody says, you know, I wish you were never here. Yeah. Okay. Well, at 13, you kind of don't, you kind of like, that was mean. Yeah. Okay.

But then something in you internalizes it, and you take that in. Now, it might not, it might not like manifest yourself right then and there, but maybe seven years, 10 years from now, you're wondering why you don't feel like you're valuable and you're worthless. Well, somebody told you that they wish you weren't here. Yeah, so what does that tell you? Oh you wish

Oh, so I don't mean anything to you. I am no I am of no value So what you'll begin to do is you you'll seek out opportunities you seek out relationships that maybe You're trying to am I worthy am I this and then you start performing? Yeah, you know you start doing all these things. And so I'm at a place where I want to be so filled up with God's love because God's love is supposed to trickle down to the parents,

from the parents down to the children. Okay, so for me, what am I pouring out? I can't pour out something that's not in me, right? So I'm in a place where, okay, God, you have to saturate me. I want this love that I hear these people talk about. Right, I'm saying about it. I'm saying about it. I read devotionals about it,

but I'm like, I just really want to sit on my swing and be like, God, okay, I want to fill your love. And there are moments where I'm like, I really am feeling his love to be so filled up that I am now choosing opportunities and choosing relationships out of being whole and full, not out of what I lack. Out of a deficit.

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Tell them we sent you. I think that for me, my relationships, because I were spoken over me too, right? That I internalized, that I didn't think we're a big deal in the moment, but then I looked up and I was like, wait a minute, I've been trying to find someone who would help me uproot these words. I think that that's what toxic relationships really are.

Like, please help me uproot this. I'm bleeding,'s what toxic relationships really are. Like, please help me uproot this. I'm bleeding. I'm hurting. I can't figure out where the leave is. Help me uprooted, uprooted. And to your point, come into a place where you're like, you know what? I just want wholeness. The people who I thought would help me uprooted planted more seeds. And now I'm in more than mess. And so now I think healthiest relationships are people who plant and so good. And so good. That's right.

What have you had to uproot? Oh gosh. I've had to uproot a lot of anger, funny enough. Like I feel like I am one of the most nicest outgoing to people I know. So all of those things and didn't know that, man, I've got some stones in my heart because you feel like a stony, hearted person. I just remember old, mean church mothers.

Yeah. Now, a church mother should not be in the same sense as me, but you know, people that just look like this, you would think, okay, they have a stony heart. But no, it's those of us who got this good makeup on, he got that two-inch barrel curl in his waves and they're flowing. And you have some stones around your heart. And it's like those stones are like each word

that was spoken to you, betrayal each hurt and before you know it There's just like stones around your heart. So I've had to uproot all of that anger bitterness some resentment some regret shame Oh shame is my shame my Man, I knew better even if I said it out of anger you still the soul if it's like Words spoken to me. I've spused them out. Yeah on people So I'm doing the same thing that I said that I would never do you have really? Been intentional about how you're in the spotlight and when you're in the spotlight.

And maybe most people would be surprised, maybe they wouldn't, that you really do have a very low key life. It's a very low key life. And if anybody's in my life right now, or who wants to be in my life right now, based off of who they know me to be, they're gonna be really bored and really mad

because I'm not at all the like happening scene and some parties and fashion shows and run this like. If it's meaningful and I have like a sincere attachment to it, I'll go, but I really would rather eat pandas for us and watch Judge Judy. And I know that to be true, because when you came to LA, I don't think you would leave it here.

You were like, can we, I think we were gonna hang out. And I was like, well, I'm at home. I think maybe I was pregnant or just had the baby, my mom was there. Cause she cooked them chicken fries. She cooked them chicken fries. That's my kind of party.

And we had the best time. That's my kind of party. I am trying to really like, okay, Lord, be a good steward over the platform you give me, over the access you give me. And there are people who are dying to like, have this seat and have this access. But if I don't have like,

I don't like just going to parties, just look at that people. And that's a lot of money I gotta spend on glam, my styling, I don't like just going to parties, just looking at people. And that's a lot of money I gotta spend on glam, and styling, I gotta do this, I gotta do that. And wondering if you like me over there and this. So I don't do that at home. But in your downtime, you have really been doing, not just a lot of like soul work,

but I think like spiritual work too. Definitely the spiritual work. I have been just trying to get to know this word, getting this word broke down because what I'm not gonna do is quote something on TV and Sarah be like, this is not what that means. Okay, call me later.

Okay. So, you know, I don't want that at all. And so I just believe I have a feeling of where God is taking me and I'm just in just taking this time of preparation to be ready. I'm writing, I'm writing a book, I can't believe it. I've been doing these intensive called healing the heart and I really am like, okay, God, I know you want me to spread this message of your healing and your love for people like us. Yeah. Okay. For people that, um,

for actually the messages for everybody. For sure. I won't say that. The messages for everybody. Whoever he allows me to tell it to, that's what I'm preparing for. So we're talking interhealing, interhealing, interhealing, interhealing. Um, so for me me last year I went to this retreat and to make a long-sourced short, they're talking about how a child needs 10 emotional needs met and I didn't have any of them met. Shad, well what are them? List them and then- So some of them are like affirmation security

respect safety, you know now we had things like you got clothes on your back right you got a roof over your head and what like shoes on your feet or something like that but when it comes to like, you are awesome. You did good, baby. And when I say security, meaning, okay, yes, I have a roof over my head, but are you making sure that the atmosphere in this house

is safe? You know, can I come to you and share things? How are you and daddy doing? But you have to remember some of our parents were just doing the best that they could. what they knew. Okay. So, but now that I'm learning, I, you can learn and now you can have compassion on your parents or whoever raised you like, man, okay, so they just didn't know, but to know that there are certain emotional needs that were not met as a child. And then what happens is as an adult, you begin to show

some of those symptoms. You to show some of those symptoms. You know, some of those symptoms could be your, you're not confident in making decisions. You know, you are, if you didn't get affirmation, it's a possibility you will be insecure. You might even be promiscuous. You might, because you're seeking it, and it's not a bad thing, it's something that you're longing for. And you're seeking it, I don't think the act of seeking it is necessarily bad. I would think just who you're trying to get it from

and what kind of fulfillment you're getting that that gets wrong. That affirmation, like the idea of affirmation being one of those ten emotional needs, I really struck me because I think I had a lot of those other things, at least some of the other things that you named, but I think that when I wasn't affirmed specifically after my pregnancy, and not in what I did, but like in who I was. I think that really did something to my mind because now I have all of these questions about who I am

and what this means about me now. And so I need someone to tell me who I am now, to tell me I still have work, to tell me I still have value. And I don't know that I ever heard that. Wow. Well, I know you're a world changer. You're out here changing a life changing lives, um, changing people's, um, world. So I can affirm that in you, I can affirm that you are a great mother. Um,

you're one of your beautiful to, you know, your beautiful son is sitting right here. Amazing. So that's what I can affirm to you. You are a great friend. That's what I can definitely tell you. You might not talk all the time, but I know that you are there, you know what I mean? So, oh my gosh, you're a great gift giver. What? You're a great gift giver. That pan that y'all were frying those chicken wings and you sent one to me. Okay, so, okay, I can affirm. No, no, loving she bones. Okay. All right

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It can rob the very thing you're not praying for. It can make your clarity off. It can just, you know, and I would say I was pretty lost there for a minute, you know, and some people got hurt along the way. and I would say I was pretty lost there for a minute. And some people got hurt along the way. And so I think when my engagement ended, I was like, you can't get this, right?

You had somebody who was faithful, someone like I never had to check his phone and all that petty stuff was doing the past. And so I think it took me was that, you know, doing the past and so, I think it took me losing that to be like, all right. Yeah. What is it? What is it?

What is it that you could not keep that? And so I definitely became a runner, you know, to like, this is so stupid. It's fine. We're like, you're thinking, they're thinking in the relationship because they said, no, you just need to pluck, you got a little mustache, you got to need to pluck. And I'm like, he doesn't want to be with me.

It's so extreme. It's so extreme. It's because of the mustache and he's going to get with someone who's had laser hair removal and you've got trowel hair. The whole thing. She never has hair on her lips. And it's like, no, he'd just say here, but here's some tweezers.

Yeah. That's all he is. He's one of the babies. That's the whole thing. That's real life's true life story, by the way. Like, yeah, I do have that. That's, I mean, that's, that's, that's, but I totally get it.

But you know what I think it is? I do think that when you've been in emotionally abusive relationships They use anything as a reason for why they acted out the way that they did so you see anything as a reason for someone Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I I'm just like But it's good that you know, I'm getting it now. Yeah, I hate that it took that You know because I'm supposed to be celebrating like a year marriage next week. Literally, I'm supposed to be, look at me tell me what I'm supposed to be. Right. This is what I'm supposed to be pregnant. Um, so, you know, but I am, I am learning

all of this now. And I know whatever this intentional time of preparation, I'm like, Lord, I believe the other side is going to be beautiful. I don't know what it is with what, I don't know everything, but I know it's beautiful. I think you were always the other side. I don't think the other side was so good. Come on, you spent bars! You are always this. I almost had to do. Think about that for a minute. Yeah. Yeah. I was me. You are the other side. Yep. But no, honestly though, I'll never forget. And my husband always talks about like psychics

having a gift that they abuse them and they'd be like, for power if I was in my toxic marriage, I want to go see a psychic, because I needed answers. I needed answers. What's happening here? And I was married at the time, and I was like, it's here, everyone's faithful, is anything going to happen.

You'd like, what is going to happen? And he could, he just kept saying, it's about you, it's about you, it's about you. And I was like, no. And I want my money back, because I came here, so that it's about this. I I was like, no. And I want my money back. Because I can't believe this. I'm about this and him. Yeah.

But I understand now that it was always about me. And I do think that we have this picture in our head of what our life is supposed to be like. And we're like, when we get there, then we made it to the other side. But that's a good one. That's a good one. Because I would have went into marriage. Yeah. Not knowing this stuff that I needed to know about me.

I would have gone into marriage trying to know me. Yeah. And I think in marriage, I've told me if I'm wrong, I think in marriage, you will be trying to know you, but I didn't know me at the place that I should know me before I get into a marriage. It is because marriage is very much so introducing yourself to a person over and over and over again.

Then they introduce you to a version of you that you don't know either. I actually, something I saw your dad say today, bringing kids in, it'll be changed you. So you have to keep growing and growing. And, you know, so a part of me is like, okay, God, I can do that. And a part of me is like, you know, cool,

it just me and these walls, right? Because inviting someone into that space is, um, it takes a lot of vulnerability. But I think when you feel like God brought that person into your life, that's ultimately where the trust is. Yeah. It's not even in the person being consistent and remaining the same. It goes back to where was I when we got together. Could I recognize God when you came into my life? And so if God is the core, because that's what we get to.

Well, I know for me, you know, we have to be careful too and be like, okay, what God, you did bring this person. But where am I to where I don't feel worthy of who or what you brought into my life too? So feeling worthy of it. You know, is a thing, you know? I would look at my engagement ring sometimes like, really? Well, why do he, maybe he should be with a praise and worship leader. Maybe he should be with somebody that he can co-past or would.

I know I can sit on the front row. And then think is it all? I'm saying I'm thinking all these things and you're thinking yourself out of the very thing that got gave you. Yeah. I feel like when I met Trey, that he made me wonder what it was that got so on me

that I felt Worthy, but I also thought intrigued hmm Like what is it that you see in me that I don't fully see? Amazing, that's right. Yeah, right, which is how we feel with that. Yeah. You know what I mean? The love didn't make me feel insecure. It made me stand in wonder. You know. And I was talking about how he created a space that was bigger than me. You talk in paintings. I just could see standing wonder and I just want to be on Texas. Yes, just standing in all.

Go ahead. But when a person creates a space, that's bigger than you. And makes you wonder, can I feel this space? Like, you think I can feel this space? And I constantly gave the love, took the love that he gave me and put it in the ground so that it could produce roots and so that I could grow into that space. And I believe that I added value to him too. But it does go back to really believing that you can add value to someone.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, the crazy thing is is that I feel like in certain certain ways I knew what I brought to the table. You know, I can add value to you, but can I receive what you give to me and what you bring to me? Am I worried that can I open up? Can I really receive it? Can I? You know, I saw this picture of a cup Can I, you know, I saw this picture of a cup and it had holes in it. Okay. And pouring water into it. Water is going into it. You would think the cup should be able to hold it. But I think of all those holes and all those wounds, you know, whatever is trying to be

poured into you, it cannot stay there. Yeah. You know, because you're not healed. Yeah. You're not healed. And, you know, people can think that nothing can be too little or too big that you, that you cannot or should be healed from. I don't care if it's because you were bullied into whatever it is. Whatever it is.

And whatever it is, too, that even traumatized you, I've got to get into the book about the body keeps score. Okay, so the body keeps score of every word, every physical hit, every betrayal, everything, the body, it does keep score. And I think people wonder why, man, at certain times of the body, it does keep scoring. I think people wonder why man at certain times of the year, why do I get said? Your body got used to that. I don't know, our bodies are incredible. So really, really, really being healed of that. I don't want my body keeping score. really being healed of that. I don't want my body keeping score. Nothing traumatic anymore. And I think seeing things as traumatic is helpful too.

And not like, oh, it just hurt my feelings, but it's fine. But like this was a trauma. Yeah, no, call this, call things what it is. Yeah, call things, no, this was abuse. Abuse just isn't physical. It could be emotional, verbal, you know. Let's call it, let's call it what it is. And if you were the inflictor, that's call it what it is. I inflicted this pain, I inflicted this, these words, this abuse onto somebody.

And if it means going to go sip with the therapist, Christian counselor to have somebody to process that with, you know, because a lot of people, the ones who have the pain done to them, they'll go sit. But no, I got I inflicted the pain. Right, right, right. I need to go sit and figure out why I was inflicted the pain. And I also think that we have to realize that the person who hurts you may not be the person who can fix you. That's so good. That's so good. So to take ownership of your own healing instead of waiting on someone to finally apologize and finally get it together. That's good.

Because so many people, I mean, how many times have you heard a lot of people that hurt you don't even know that hurt you. They've gone on and they married with kids. Right. You know, have you ever apologized to have, you know, you go on to somebody and they'd be like, I did that. Yeah. They didn't even realize or know and you've carried it for 20, 30 years and they've gone on with life.

They're good. Yeah. Or even parents, because I know a lot of questions that we get on Mom and you've all had to do with like toxic parenting or maybe toxic siblings and how they want their parents or want those people who've been in their life to fix what occurred. But they can't fix it.

And to be fair, it's not their responsibility to fix it because in the perfect world, we would want them to. But if it comes down to they fix it or I stay broken, then that's not going to work. Yes, that's right. Relieving people from their responsibility to fix, even when they broke you,

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are issued by Evolve bank and trust member FDIC. Who needs to read this book? Oh, man, everybody needs to read this book. It's about checking in with yourself, checking in with others, and checking in with God. Everybody needs to read this book. And for that person who who I'm very transparent. So everything that I'm that we're maybe even talking about today, little bits and pieces of that will be in the book too. So that person that does not feel worthy because of things that have happened to you were spoken over you. You know, this book is for you to um, speaking life into that person. Hopefully where I've been,

it can be a roadmap for you like, okay, she can do this. This is how she did it. I believe this can work from this can work for me. And just, apparently, the spirit of God is all over that book to have major breakthrough for people. Is this your purpose? Oh, yeah. Oh, you better. It is. I know my mom was telling me the one day that her mother, as she was laying on her death

bed, she called all of her kids in and prophesied to each of her children, what her children children. So when it got to my mom and then when it came to me, she said that I would be an evangelist. And I was like, the one that has to have the room temp apple juice with the napkin on top for sure. And the armor bearer, they bring you your bottle into the pool pit like that kind of evangelizing and It's not not quite looking that way, but I think and what we're doing now is evangelizing me being responsible with my platform um Is he is evangelizing not necessarily

10 revivals because that's why I was scared of. That's like, you don't know. You don't know, but let me tell you what my mama said. She said, if you can get up on that stage and sing, you can get an apple pin and teach the word. I was like, no. No. All right. All right, she read me.

It's crazy though, because obviously you've had this incredible, have this incredible career, but the career wasn't the purpose. The career led to purpose. Yes, the career definitely led to purpose. And even my appetite is changing in certain areas of my career. So it's like, okay, Jesus, he's doing it. Like, all right. Yeah, because I know when you are following God,

there is no, there's shit. There is no missing out, for sure. Yeah. What God has for you is just follow and be obedient. Each step of obedience, I'm learning, lights the path for me because I'm nosy. I wanna know the ending Jesus. Some of my go to sleep, Lord, just show me.

Just show me. Just show me, just show me. Be obedient me. Just show me. Just show me. Be obedient. And I think that is why we're in relationship with God. You know, like I'll move, you move, you know, and we continue to do this dance. Ooh, that's so good. So if somebody is feeling stuck right now,

it's because you just need to make a move. Make a move. You need to make a move. And I cancel the whole fear of missing out that whole vibe and energy and spirit, like the fear missing out of what? Yeah. What's going on on Instagram?

Because when you're not making a move, you're missing out on what God has for you. So I think that the, yes, when that, that is our my greatest fear. I say our cause, Turing, I talk about that all the time. It's like if we don't do what God told us to do, then there's not gonna be grace on where we are right now. Because sometimes we don't wanna leave the grace

where we are because we're afraid there's no grace in that next step, there's no grace in that next step. There's no favor in that next step. But the favor for here has run dry. That's why I'm being pulled to next. Right, yeah, that's good. And I feel like too. So that just lets me know when you feel like, okay,

it's kind of dry over here. Yeah. Cause the season is done. Yeah. Move on to the next. Absolutely. Move on to the next. Move on to the next. Absolutely. Move on to the next. Move on to the next and just have confidence in that you may great stride.

You may make a great name, may get great relationships, whatever's supposed to be will be. Just keep a movement. I haven't always been that confident. Right. Do you know what step is lit up for you next? Gosh. Um. Trusting, trusting my yes.

Trusting God. I've been getting amazing text messages from people who don't even know each other. Munger was like, hey, I just want to, I'll read it. And I was like, oh, M G, I don't know, do people have their phones and your interviews? It doesn't matter. You can do all things through Christ. She said, just wanted to let you know that you came across my mind,

praying for you and your trust in God's perfect plan. And someone else reached out to me and just, hey, I just want you to be in curses. I just want you to trust the process because this is kind of new for me. To really be by myself, literally me and God, waking up in the morning saying, God, what are we doing today. Yeah. You know, and I really, I know I think I am, I don't know, I don't know, I don't want to be a corn ball, but I know it's ministry. Yeah. That's what's next in a real way.

I need you on in a real way. I need you to. I need you to. I need you in a real way. In a real way. I think that, you know, there aren't a lot of people in ministry who can reach outside of the walls of the church in a really impactful way. And we need it now more than ever. Yeah. We people need representation.

That's right. And I really do feel like there's a whole generation that felt misrepresented in the church. That's good. And more familiar with what was happening in the world, you know what I mean? And so, but I know God, I believe in God, but I don't see anyone doing God that looks like me

or who speaks the language that I speak. And I think that there is such a great need. Like we're going on tour with Wamanivov and like we're going into places where like you just don't see ministers going and like filling these types of places up. Like I haven't been in ministry for like a super long time. I don't preach every Sunday. The fact that God has given me a platform that people feel connected to and will come out to these cities that I'm not from and like fill them up to me speaks to the need and there's such a great need for for you and for what God put on you. Thank you. I'm like okay I'm kind of believing it you know like right. I want you to come tell me a one miniboss.

Of course, of course, I'm excited. I told you I'm gonna be on the tour bus. Yes. You know, I'm in my bunk. I have to send you the date. Because I think that, you know, you're gonna do something that's gonna be totally unique to your sound and what God is doing in your life.

But I do think there's something that just seeing different flows. Yeah, I would love that. I would love that. You know, I definitely consider you a mentor. I don't care what our age differences are, but yeah, you're a mentor. So I'll be looking.

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