Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts - Permission Talk w/ Dr. Jackie Greene

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

God can't bless you for tend to be or who you compare yourself to. He can only bless you and the lane that was created for you. I feel that for somebody. You don't need no itch, it's a unique boundary. What? I don't need your lights, I don't need your elevation. All I need is a God fighting for me that's there for all things. All things, all things.

Try. Well you already know that October is Women's Health Issues Month and I am so excited to speak to a woman who I admire. Her life is one that certainly has many roles connected to it and yet she has still found a way to make sure that her health is a priority. One of the things that I love about hearing from her is the reality that many of us face is that it is difficult to remind ourselves when we are running everyone else's world that we also have to take time to care for ourselves. Before we dive into

discussing her health, we first lay a foundation about really understanding who she is, how she came to be, and how she transitioned into a life that is beyond her wildest dreams. I think this is really important because so often we spend so much time focusing on where we wanna go and who we wanna be that we don't consider how am I going to take care of myself

when I get there. Fortunately Dr. Jackie Green is going to help us make sure that you take care of you every step of the way. Let's get into it. How are you? I'm doing very well. Good. Thank you for doing this with me.

I'm excited. You look so pretty. Thank you so do you with me. I'm excited. You look so pretty. Thank you, Soda. You always though, always. Now, when I first met you, you were a dentist. I don't feel like you were doing a lot of speaking if any. I don't even know if you was like praying before someone else got up to speak or praying after they spoke. And and now now I would say things are much different.

Can you talk to me a little bit first about your roots, how you started, how you started as a dentist, you know, and then that transition from that into ministry. So my mom and dad here, both in a medical profession, they're both pharmacists. Okay. They didn't get to deal with people enough, and I like people a little bit.

So I wanted to go into the medical profession, but I wanted to deal with people in a shadow in a dentist, and I was like, I can do this. She was a black girl, after a pen, and I was like, okay, so I know my path. I went to dental school. It went well. It was really hard. I found Jesus for real in dental school. I thought I knew him before I didn't know him at all. So

We went through kind of unlearning what this year's and obedience is surrender. So we go through this whole journey. I meet this guy, and I try this. He really rocked my world. Really radical guy. I love the Lord. I had never met a guy that loved God more than his reputation. So we end up kind of dating and looking from there. We start dating kind of off and on. I named him enough honors ever again. I really, I'm a couple rollercoasters. Amen. Mm-hmm.

So we end up going through all of that, getting married, starting a church. I never practiced dentistry for real, for real. Okay. So as I was graduating dental school, I ended up pregnant with our first child. Mm-hmm. And from there I ended up being put on bed rest, we ended up lunch in the ministry,

and here goes the ministry. I felt like God did me unfair because He knew that we were gonna be called in the ministry, and He did not prepare me since. So I'm up there shaking, crying, sweating, all of this the first time I ever preached, Travis asked me to do the welcome, and I'm crying to my mom, and I'm like, God, sweating, all of this the first time I ever preached. Travis asked me to do the welcome and I'm crying to my mom and I'm like, God, you knew. You were sovereign, you're

omnipotent, you were all stupid, right? I just felt very unprepared. Went through a long journey of trying to find my identity and best been the fight of whole, owning my permission, owning my identity, and get into the place where I love myself enough to like live it out in the public. Now, did you grow up? Your parents are from Ghana, is that right? My dad is gonna be in my mummies of Michigan.

Okay, so what was that like for you growing up? So it was really hard for me because my dad actually made a decision to go back to his homeland of West Africa when I was only four. I didn't understand at the time. He wanted to go back to Portland to his homeland, set up pharmaceutical companies,

and do all these anti-virtual borrowers. All I know is I'm a four-year-old little girl, and my daddy's gone one day he's here. My mom was very, very devoted to Travis. I said to Travis, my brother and I. And so it really didn't make sense to me why he would leave us. Although I understood it was a good cause. My mom did the best she could helping us understand culturally.

That was a big deal for him to have the gift that he had to be able to go back and to the port to his homeland and they understood love differently. They believe that setting up life for their children and leaving legacy was actually love more than actually being present. So she did help breathe a gap, but I dealt with a lot of abandonment and rejection issues because of his leaving for sure. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense on paper, right? Even though I know that those experiences can be quite common, as you started like shifting

into giving yourself permission, how did you reconcile giving yourself permission to forgive, release, let go? Like how did you walk that process out? It was tough and it took time. I would say one of the most pivotal things that happened for me since was the ability to be honest. I think for a long time, the journey of permission for me and like owning my identity was one to stop lying to say that it was everybody else's fault.

So it was dad, he's fought and true. He had a role to play that it was Travis fought because he didn't support me enough because he's this star that was, you know, in Celebritylmin, all these different things, or I felt like, you know know if I didn't show up to our church that everybody could go on without me so I did a lot of outward projecting because underneath it was a lot of fear. I was afraid because I had been taught that through dentistry you cross every T and dot every odd if you can't do it perfectly then you just don't do it when I was able to be honest and just say, Jack you know you scared and you don't really know what this life of being a novice and ministry and Christian them looks like. I started to come to know like, all right, baby girl,

you did it. You might have went shaking, but you did it. And I started celebrating those wins. I cried through it. But it really started to fuel this life of like uncovering and unwrapping. And I started to feel a level of freedom that I had never experienced before

as I began to be honest with myself and stop making everybody else's fault. Okay, so I feel like that's a word within itself because so often we want to experience change. We want to become healthier for our families. We want to become healthier in the way that we see ourselves. But the reality is when we want that change we ultimately want someone to come unlock it for us.

We want someone else to come and do the work and roll up the sleeves and make me feel better about myself, make me feel smart, make me feel intelligent, make me feel powerful. And we are scavengers for people to help complete what can only be completed through intimacy with God and authenticity with ourselves. How do you practice that in a daily?

Like, is it an epiphany moment that comes? Or what is this daily practice of really living out the truth of who you are in any given moment and standing by that truth. I had to get some real boundaries around things that were must for me and then things that I couldn't do. So for me, I had to get to the place where I was consistent in time with the Lord.

A lot of times I was looking for all this external affirmation because I just wasn't letting the Lord sing the song of the Lord over me and speak about who he said I was enough. So rather than knowing who I was, I was always looking for other people to tell me. So a practice of actually consistent time with the Lord, 6 a.m. getting in his word, he really became very serious with me about like abiding with him. And that means like staying with them, not like, girl, you know, you have in a hot moment and this is good.

But no, Lord, I'm going to set a time, a place, a space where it's just you and I. Well, we can dig through this nasty ugly stuff that might have hurt me or broke me in the past to actually uncover some things that would help me to go forward. And another part of that was facing my brokenness. So I had a real big hair journey where I lost a good bit of my hair because my mom put two chemicals in my hair. And that was a real big part of my owning who I was to. I had to heat underneath extensions and we eat so much of my life. And so I think a big part of me was cutting off my hair doing the big shot of. So the speed was like a big part of me.

Like no, I'm going to go after this part of me. And I feel like what I was reflecting on the outside was really a show of what was happening in me internally where the Lord was coming to say, I can heal this stuff that you are that you're now, uh, not afraid to hide. Like if you keep hiding and I can't heal it, but if you'll show it to me, then I'll actually come in like the good surgeon, I am to actually recover all. I'll cut you and heal you at the same time. And he was so beautiful and such a good father and able to do it in a way that

was helpful for me. So I would say, um, time with the Lord and honesty and consistently be with him and be honest with him just truly helped me to kind of progress forward. Sweater weather is that you ladies, I'm all for this season, but don't let this cool air fool you. You'll start laying your clothes and run up on a sweaty little secret. Remember, odor isn't just an underarm thing. It's an all over thing.

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when you visit loompodcast.com and use code Evolve. you visit loompodcast.com and use code eBall. So I wanna ask you, if I would have heard this, you know, 20 years ago, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna try it. Like, I go into my closet, I'm like, God, it ain't working, mine is broke. Mine is broke. Hello, like mine is broke.

It's hard to explain for me practically what you just said. Maybe you can do a better job than I can. But for someone's listening and they're like, I want to build this intimacy. I want the song of the Lord to be singing over me. I want to feel really in tune with my faith outside of a moment at church, but as a part of my daily walk, like what am I supposed to feel? What am I supposed to think? What am I looking for in those moments? I think I got used to looking just for being with him number one, because I think a lot of reasons why we stop,

like in that time where we feel like it's not working, is we feel as if I comfort this specific thing. I came to recognize because of walking a journey with God, and I obviously don't know how this is supposed to go. And so I gave up on me feeling like I had the proper guide, noces and prescription for my life, to just go into time with him where it might be sometimes where I would turn on a worship song, and I might got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those.

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I've got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those. I've got a lot of those. I've got a journal like, okay, I believe that you love me when I do good. And so it was started uncovering my journal things that were actually lies that the enemy had planted because he's the father of lies. And so I would start to interrogate the Bible talks about how we should take every thought captive.

I would start to through listening to worship songs or maybe reading a passage of scripture where I might not have read, I may not have read a whole chapter but I might have read a verse that stuck out to me. I say this all the time that you read the Bible and to the Bible, read you. So there may be one verse that jumps out and it's like, hmm, why did the whole stop me like that?

And I was starting to look up words and I would almost follow the bread crumbs. It was like the Lord was painting out this little path that I could follow and he was starting to reveal like, you're dealing with unforgiveness in this area. And when you read this particular verse where the Bible's talking about you should forgive because I first were giving you,

you're having a hard time with this. And so he would start to uncover as a good shepherd that he is what I was actually dealing with as a result. I would just start to interrogate and investigate. I would cross sometimes, write things down in my journal or oh, there you go, ask for permission from this person again. So things that would come up in me that I had dealt with,

he would say, you're wanting them to like your hair or the thing that you changed about yourself. Can you like the fact that I like it? So he would start asking me questions and I think it was a process of learning to do those kinds of things where I would kind of investigate where I was, how I was doing through song, through worship, through prayer, and it would kind of bring together, I guess, like these different chapters of what I needed to navigate through that would leap me further

and further in my progression of walking forward and freedom. There's two things you said that I find so intriguing. The first one is when you're first starting off and you want to hear from God and you set up prayer time, you set up meditation to go into it with an open spirit, not a concentrated focus, and that open spirit is literally just to dwell with God. And that being foundational in your prayer time and your meditation time will alleviate this pressure to try and feel like, God say something to me or God speak to me about this or God give me an answer about that. Instead, it's just, I wanna experience what it feels like

for all of my attention, all of my thoughts, all of my focus to be pointed towards heaven. And for me, sometimes like, I have so much going on in my mind that I have to bring into my mind the things that remind me of God. When I'm staring at the ocean, I'm like, it ain't no way you can tell me. It's a whole world going on underneath there. There's no way you can't tell me that God isn't real. When I look at my life and I look at a woman having a child, I'm like, there's just no way that we all started off in a womb. And those

things elevate my thoughts and help me to remember just how exalted God is about my issues, about my concerns, about my worries and my doubts. And that's who I want to get to know. What kind of mind is this? What kind of spirit is this that would allow for these things to work together, but never to converge in such a way that causes damage. And I think that interrogation is beautiful. The other thing you said is about holding every thought captive,

which of course I've heard that. Before the first time, I thought about it in a military context. And when they take someone captive, they are interrogating them. They have taken them captive for a reason. And a lot of times, I think we identify the thought as something that needs to be arrested, but we don't interrogate the thought to get down to the bottom of the truth

of what we're looking for, or whether or not that is a truth that we can accept, because not every truth is ours to own. Some truths are everyone else, someone else is experienced. And I think that that's just, that's gonna be really edifying for people.

When, go ahead. That's going to be really edifying for people. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Go ahead. I was just going to say what you said is so true about that journey of the continuing of the interrogation because so many times when I looked at a thought, I have found with mentoring and with myself, we can get so mad at ourselves that we thought the thought, that we get fixated on the thought that we thought that was bad, rather than saying, where did this thought come from and what's the root of it? Not just the surface level, so if I'm feeling insecure,

not just that I'm insecure, but what is making me feel insecure and actually get into the root of that? So I just, I totally echo that interrogation and holding it to sift through, where it came from and understanding that every thought that I have isn't mine to own, has been truly helpful for me.

Like that came, but I don't have to hold it. My mom would say this all the time, like the devil ain't so friendly. He don't like you. So why sit down and have a tea party with the thoughts that he's bringing. You don't have to do that. You can allow those thoughts to pass

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Now, Dr. Jackie, you told me that when you really begin to lean into this level of intimacy and relationship with God, that it emboldened the way that you showed up down to big chopping your hair and owning your hair. And I cannot help but see the correlation between how our spirit flourishing allows for our confidence to flourish. And so I'm wondering as your spirit has continued to flourish, as you're raising these babies,

as you guys are like traveling all over the world, like what decisions do you make about your health, your nutrition, your life in general that helps to continue to undergird the purpose that you have in the earth? Man, that's so good. I used to laugh at people that took like 30 vitamins a day. And then like, you're never gonna be me. And I started traveling and I wish I could grab my vitamin thing for you art now I take 17 pills a day because my knees. I had a really bad HVX and my knee has not been the same since and a girl Like to wear high heels sometimes

So in order to keep these heels on and it's so up looking light I feel like what represents my personality and my fear I actually have to support the inward the underneath part of the makeup What's going on top of the makeup? So girl, I have to get facials. I have to have days where I just take care of me. I have to give a lot more nose than yeses. So I have found that every, every yesterday I give is a note of something.

And many times that's a note of my family. And so I've gotten a lot more conscious about the boundary I said around. Like no 6 p.m. is going to be tied with me and my family and when my boys got to school at 2 30 on Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays, I'm picking them up because that feeds my mommy tame. And I had to start to find a rhythm of when I've given too much to the world and not enough to my family. And I don't believe in that there's this perfect balance through I but I do believe

from season to season that I can prioritize and if in this season the Lord has made known to me that my baby my middle Baby for instance Josh needs a little more attention I'm gonna hold him tight and when I'm done holding him and I see him off the school Then I can put that down and I could pick up the RJG But I can't do both at the same time and give my best and so I've learned to one party at a time Hold it up pour all it's hope if it's me and my devotional time giving to myself, taking my vitamins, eating my in white and turkey sausage, I'm doing that.

I'm gonna get my one mile in, and then I'm gonna put that down, and then I'm gonna start and get my babies ready. But I'm not gonna rush to get them ready. I'm gonna, you know, roll up the moisturizer through their curls and really love on them, to actually show them, that I love them and set them up for a good day.

I've learned one thing at a time and if it's 12 things on a list and I only get the three Appreciate the fact that I got the three and give myself grace. It has allowed me to love myself much better and show up much better for all the different Vases of life that I'm you know, I'm called to in the debaeriest different ways that the father has called me So I think that that's helpful for women who women who wear so many different hats at one time. Is anyone tired of feeling dehydrated and sluggish after a workout? Or do you struggle to stay energized throughout the day? If I'm talking to you, then listen up. LMNT is here to revolutionize your hydration game and take your health to the next level.

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Get a free sample pack with your LMNT order by going to drink lmnt.com slash evolved that's drink LMNT.com. Thank you LMT for sponsoring the Woman Evolved Podcast. I have to tell you, I take about nine vitamins myself. I'm taking a look because one I'm about to leave, one thing about me, if you're going to have to take me out, you're going to have to really come find me,

because if it's just going to be down to me and live in baby, I'm going to have these vitamins. Baby, you're going to have to come get me, because she's trying to stick around for a minute. I'm wondering culturally, even as you're leading this church and you're helping women, how do you separate, you know, I think even your role as a pastor, like how do you separate other people's expectations with the reality that you need to give more nose than yes is,

how do you qualify what you say yes to? Man, my husband and I talk a lot about qualifying out oil. And I think it came through time. I saw that I was wasting a lot of oil on the ground. And when you leak oil on the ground, it becomes dangerous. There were lots of people in my life at the time that you look at their life and you talk to them for one season. And they're not doing anything.

And they come back the next season, want to talk about the same thing. And after a while, I poured all these sermons and all this energy and all this good wisdom on the ground because you're not being a good receptacle of the thing that I'm pouring out. And I just found that if I have told you the same thing over and over again, and that's not to say that I'm not long suffering or for bearing,

but with my long suffering and for bearing looks like changes. So it might be in one season where I'm speaking to you face to face and then it may turn to, you might not get a response every time you text me. It may go from that to, maybe I just pray for you and you might not be able to come over to the house as much. I have learned to actually communicate healthy boundaries.

And so I won't even leave the young ladies or the people that are pulling on me by expectation out there. I think help communicating healthy helps people understand. I don't love you less, but sweetheart, my life is taking on a lot more responsibility. And we can't keep talking about the same thing. It doesn't mean that I love you less. It's me helping you to not handicap you,

to allow you to use some of the things that we talked about. And now when you start using them, come back and see me. We can talk about some new things, but it's helped me so much to just communicate my boundaries. I'll tell people, like, so the hard, I'm not gonna be able to meet with you every time you wanna meet.

That's why we have care pastors. And I love you, but here are the things that I can't do. And so I don't set people up to believe that I can do more than I can do. I found it's much more healthy for both of us to know what the actual expectations are. So we are on the same sheet of music. Oh, like, did you have you practice? You walked, you stepped in, you danced and how did you, how you get here? It took time. I got this was my breaking

point. I was at home one day and a couple came over that had moved and they told me they want to come to see me before they went back out of town I was like cool. They came over to pray and I was like this was my only day off I was wore out and I was tired, but I was gonna get them 30 minutes because they believe me for out of town We ended up in a about four hour myrtle counseling session And I remember walking up my steps wore out. I was literally crying to your sitting on the side of my bed I had a time I got in my room God said, I didn't ask that from you. I didn't ask that from you. And he told me, you can love people,

but love yourself as well. And I remember that was the day I decided, I'm gonna have to start doing things that allow me to love myself that in turn lets me love other people better. And it was from that day forward that I use other. So I have some bulldogs that sit on those dates. When Jackie doesn't have enough strength to say no,

they don't already know. No, no, Monday is her Sabbath. You don't do not text out the Jackie on Monday. So there's some things that I have in place. And my friends and my circle will let you know, like no, Dr. Jackie actually works out at this time. She's not available. So even when I have the strength,

I have a couple of people around me that have a strength enough for me to know that when I wore myself out, they seen me at those breaking points where I'm like, don't tell nobody, don't call. Like, I need the whole day. So they generally try to protect me from getting to that space by mining those boundaries that we set in place. Like, no, we don't do three vacations this year.

And so they'll ensure that those things are set in place so that other people don't run over them. Because the desires and the expectations and the demands never stop. But your ability to live and take care of your family has to be something you prioritize and having help will really help you do that. Yeah, and that's how you find the time. You have started permission. It's not just a conference.

It's an entire brand and experience. It's not like one many of all, but but if Womanyvall maybe had a sister or a relative, a maybe, a relative maybe, is it fair to call it maybe a relative? We sisters for sure. I'm the little sister, because I'll do a major major thing. No, we still in preschool together. We just figured it out as we go. But what I love is like woman evolve

that has an emphasis on community. And yet, it's still growing. It's still changing and it's still reaching lots of people. So as a woman in leadership, what are you giving yourself permission to do now? I think that at this stage of my life, I am taking deep breaths to not only do, but to reflect.

I don't think that I had that in my life for a long time. Even in I was in betterhelp.com, so I was using the therapist, and she really challenged me to where I was one that was set out the roses for everybody else. If you came into a room and there was a woman in the room, I'm gonna celebrate was set out the roses for everybody else. If you came into a room and there was a woman in the room, I'm gonna celebrate you, I'm gonna clap for everyone. But when will I ever pause a celebrate Jackie? So I believe that I'm in a season of celebrating myself

alongside all of these other amazing women that I see and that I love and that I appreciate. I'm looking back and saying, baby, you did a book tour this year. You wrote a book, you want some app. I would have never done that in my previous season. A lot of it had to do with feeling like I had to deal my life to be accepted and not be rejected. But I'm owning and celebrating me in this season. I'm getting ready to launch a Devon book that will come out next year.

So I really believe in Devon time and writing with the Lord and taking space with him. So I'm always trying to give other women the opportunity to do that. And we are inside of permission room, which is my mentorship, which is like a nine-week intensive, where we're getting ready to graduate another 81 ladies that have own their permission and I'm walking forward and freedom this Sunday coming. So just some of those things, mentorship, writing a book, or a diva book, we're really at the inside of my app

that we just launched in July. And they are women inside of there, like living in community and owning their permission inside of them, inside of that space. And so we don't know what conference 24 is going to look like I'm still praying into that, but we do believe it's going to be bigger. So really praying about what those voices look like for permission 24.

It's the major things that are on my heart right now. You man, picking the voices is like one of the hardest things ever. And it's crazy because I feel like I'll see on Instagram or preaching clips. And yet, it's tough. It's tough. It's tough and you have a limited amount of time and a specific assignment. Like if it were a seven day conference, a 10 day conference,

I could throw a bunch of stuff at you. You know, but in this window, I got to make sure that everything hits. And so I'm praying for you, as you begin to seek God for 2024. I want to know what woman in your life has been the most instrumental in giving you permission outside of your mother. I'm sure you can't because you know, we gotta get moms out the way. So mom, no heart feelings.

She's literally not allowed to say you who's been the most instrumental in giving you permission. I'm going to say it's a tie. Okay. For two different reasons, it would be you and Priscilla Shire. Your role fashionista going to uncover yourself fully and bury your scars made me believe that no matter how dirty, ugly, how unpollished and unboxed it was. It was worth telling because it was free other people.

Your story and your journey has been a very liberating thing for me to watch. You just did it. Do it afraid we go. Feats, you know, shoes off all of it. And I think the thing that I love about you Sarah is, and this is not even just like, cause I'm on your podcast, like I'm one of the real ones.

So I would be honest. I love that you are in like by grace with God who he called you to be on stage but off the stage you who you are too it's so it's so sweet and it's so humble. You're not forcing Sarah on stage to be Sarah on stage and I like that dichotomy. It made me feel like there are times that I don't really feel like shouting and screaming and sweating and I just want to be in the room. And I don't know about it called my name. I feel like you give me permission to be that version myself as well. Because when Sarah come in the room, she's just like,

hey, when she get on the stage, she's a whole unlistening, right? And when it comes to brazilia, I just feel like she used words that I just wish I had in my vocabulary. She's a little bit older than us. And baby girl is taking care of her family and living legacy. So I feel like there's this rich astute thing about her that makes me want to rise up that I love. I just feel like she just always aspires to be like,

girl, you know, there's still some more out there. So you too combined would be my woman. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for throwing me in there. I totally agree about what you said about Priscilla. She's, I mean, she literally carried the torch for what it looked like to be a woman in ministry in different spaces, right? Like not just relegate it to one space or creating your own space. And I have a lot of respect and admiration for her as well. What is one thing that you hope she knows about the impact her life has had on this next

generation of women ministers. I told her this before and I'll say it again, I love that she doesn't take a platform to series. She's never too high to come down to see the one. And I pray I never lose that. That's something I feel like your father carries so well. I see it passed down to you. Some people take being trusted with people's, uh, heart and influence, too serious,

where they become puffed up and like, they're too mighty and they can't take pictures or they can't come down to feel the affirmities of other people. I love that she still stays human. Uh, she still cook, she still take care of her kids. Now I can cook, but she still does the real, real woman type of stuff.

I love that about her. She still feels like a real person. Mm, that's amazing. Well, Perseille, we talking about you behind you back, but it's nothing but good stuff. We're so grateful for you. Thank you, Dr. Jackie, for taking the time to talk to me. Thank you for having me and me so much.

Y'all will never know because you're listening, but we struggled to get this podcast. Then you listen to a miracle. Just know that as you're closing out this app, if you needed a miracle, this podcast is one of them. Cause here we are. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much. Bye. Bye. I know if you did not take anything out of that podcast, the idea of putting yourself first and maybe figuring out your vitamin routine is probably top of your list now.

I'm so grateful for Dr. Jackie coming by the WomniBall podcast and giving us permission to live our lives out loud and to take care of ourselves in the process. It's about time we break free from our old habits and create better, healthier routines that can help us have sustainability. I so enjoyed this discussion. Thank you so much to our permission, founder, sister, woman evolved, little sister, little cousin.

We cannot wait to see you at the cookout in heaven for all the work that you're doing. I'll talk to you guys next week. you