Wonderful! - Ep. 45: Big and Tall and Two of Them

Episode Date: November 10, 2016

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Maybe, maybe you should go and do some contemplating. Right reasons, right reasons, being a good girl for all the right reasons. Right reasons, right reasons, being a good girl for all the right reasons. I'm the best rat and I'm rapping to your poolside. Here to find true love, one man for my whole life. Fuck yeah, dude. I've never been so ready to do a good show in my whole life. Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy.

And this is Rose Buddies. Let's just do the damn thing. And let's just do what we do best. Head down. Blinders on. Fucking break on through to the other side. Should we, like, say anything? Take my hand.

No. Take my hand. No. Take my hand. Do you remember Most Extreme Elimination Challenge, the TV show? I think Spike had it, and it was, like, an English, like, dubbed version of a Japanese game show that was, like, Wipeout. I am a 34-year-old woman. You watch American Ninja Warrior, like, all the time, so I don't want to. I do. I do not watch the Spike television network.

This was a while ago. Anyway, there's a thing that they did where you went through this like maze, right? This is a good analogy. Trust. And but it wasn't a maze. It was just like a series of doors. And each round there's more doors. So the first one was just like one door.

And the next time there are two doors. And you just had to run full force and smash through the door. And it just was made out of foam and it would break. But some of them were made out of wood. Whoa. And you wouldn't smash through that. You would hit it and get hurt. And I'm saying you and I, we don't know which door is the right door because there's a lot of shitty doors right now.

But we just got to just put that helmet on and just go get that prize money at the end. Because we're going to get rich off this show, right? I mean, that's why I'm doing it, clearly. That's why I'm doing it. Today of all days. I'm doing it for that big, big prize at the end. No, I think, you know, things are bad. I don't think you and I are in a good headspace. Yeah.

I think we both recognize that it is important to have moments where you just enjoy things. Yeah. And this is something we enjoy. Yeah. Tonight I cooked dinner. I haven't done that in a few days because we've been doing stuff. For his wife? For my wife.

We've been doing stuff the past few days. So I cooked for the first time in a while. I made the Vietnamese meatballs. Blue Apron. Blue Apron hit us up. And watched it while I cooked. And then we had a nice meal together and watched the episode. It was a nice way to click.

Some normalcy. I know. And I know it sounds bad to say click off. But it's the day after y'all we gotta gotta do some you gotta do dr heal thyself for a bit rachel and i are the fucking crying clowns and you come to us and you get that good quality content and you're like oh griffin rachel thank you it really takes my mind off where's our rose buddies that's my you know what i mean mine's my brother my takes my mind off where's our rose buddies that's my you know what i mean mine's my brother my brother and me yeah where's mine that well you just gotta i am

bertolini or whatever the crying clown's name was in the story that's me i have nothing i believe it's bertoli home improvement hasn't been on the air also a pasta sauce improvement hasn't been on the air Also a pasta sauce Home Improvement hasn't been on the air for like 15 years And that was the last thing I ever fucking laughed at Oh wow So Where's my Rose Buddies Is all I'm saying

No I'm just kidding Thank you all for For tuning in and all joking aside If we can help you you know think about something else for a bit we're happy to do it how about jasmine though jasmine you really jasmine you are the north star right now and i'm saying that not only because you do reside to the north of us yes and you're a star yes but that's exactly why i'm saying it i'm saying if i was on a boat i could navigate by you at night to get back to where i'm going you know what i mean there

were some moments in this episode where i was like this is the best anybody's ever done it we'll get to it but like dang she just like her and m Mikkel are similar in that it just doesn't occur to either of them to be anything different than themselves. Yeah. And I love that. I don't want to be anything other than what I've been trying to be lately. Gavin DeGraw's I Don't Want to Be, in parentheses, anything other than what I've been trying to be lately. Now, that's what I call music, volume 62. Wow. If I was even close on that, I've been trying to be lately. Now that's what I call music volume 62. Wow.

If I was even close on that, I'm going to lose my mind. Gavin DeGraw, hit us up. We will also take your ad money on this show. What would he be advertising? Just that song. Just that song. You guys remember? It's killer.

It's a good one. It's a good track. I don't want to be. You remember? In 2003, 2004, you remember. You were there. It was probably much later than that. Should we get into talking about the episode?

Do you think when he goes to a restaurant? Oh, we're doing this, huh? And the waiter is like, and what do you want, sir? And then he's like, hmm, I don't want to be anything other than and and he just does the whole song right there and the waiters are like guys he's back he's back it's the third time this week he eats a lot of subway that's a lot you know how they have waiters now yeah it's a crazy new thing they do the subway bistro that's a crazy chorus let's break that down i don't wanna be anything other than what i've been trying to be lately why are you okay who's making you do this who's forcing you to do this say i won't be anything other than what

i've been trying to be lately but also lately infers that you've only just started this new behavior. So why are you so like fucking like adhering about this? Not only that, why are you trying to be it? This is a noncommittal man. And I'm glad he doesn't have an album out today that I can listen to. This feels good, doesn't it?

Oh, it feels so fucking good that was like what that was we're at six minutes now yeah we're doing it babe we're making an episode i felt good the whole time oh me too i'm thinking about my boy gavin yeah subway i've been thinking about subway yeah yeah that's good back to to Jasmine? All right, back to Jasmine. See, we're doing good. Okay. No, this was a good Jasmine ep.

It was part one of the finale. So we had this, and then the next ep is going to be- Mentel. The boys get wild, and then the next ep is the real finale of the Canadian Bachelorette. Earlier, Griffin called it Boys Talk Back to me. The Boys Talk Back is really- Which I like. That's a nice name for it.

I like it a lot. That's what we will call our special talking about the men tell all. I wish Noah got his own special and it was called Noah Talks Back. Have you heard from the TV crew? Did our question... Is it going to be on? I don't think they're going to give us confirmation. It'd be pretty cool if it happened.

It would be cool. Yeah. Anyway, let's start talking. Okay. That would be cool. Yeah. Anyway, let's start talking. Okay.

So Jasmine is drinking champagne on a plane, and she is on her way to Cuba. And once she gets to Cuba, she gets more champagne at the resort, which I just started cataloging all the time she drinks champagne, because I feel like... Wouldn't you? If you were in love with two boys? I don't think I like champagne that much. Oh, dude, I would. Oh, man, I crush champagne. You know how the carbonation, it just slows me down.

Yeah, that's a good point. So they get to this resort in Cuba. And Jasmine says a thing that if I were one of the dudes, it would be hard to let go if I were watching the show. She says, she's talking about Mikkel and Kevin. And she says, if I could just combine them, they would be a super husband. No, Jasmine. Jasmine, you so rarely say wrong stuff, but.

I mean, to be fair, they're very different men. Well, if you combined them. I know. fair they are very different men well if you combined them i know four four arms max four legs extra what would the torso be double wide or double long i mean think about it double wide or double long if you combine these men i think it would be long like a giraffe's neck i think that she wasn't speaking quite so literally i think ke Kevin's head and face would be in the middle of the stomach like Krang. And Mikkel would get the top head. Think about, digest that for a second.

Oh, so it's not even like you're combining their features. You're just literally smushing them. The men have been smushed. Okay. Here's what, now some strengths. Put the fuck out some fires. Build a helicopter out of nothing this this boy this is a versatile boy this boy can also eat four hot dogs at a time with his

four great hands and when he when he walks around he does sound like a horse sounds that's fun but that's fun definitely might like that um The thing I didn't like about it was that it implies that neither of them is exactly complete on their own. And it would just be great. It's not great, yeah. It would just be great if the two of them could be one person. I guess I got kind of obsessed with the mental image. Like, where would they even get clothes? Well.

It would be like the big and tall and two of you. Big and tall and two of you. Big and tall and two of them. Two big and tall. That store would have a very limited reach, I would think. I mean, if you have four arms, I think you could reach pretty fucking far. Also, double torso, you could change a light bulb and it wouldn't even be a big deal. Well, double... Oh, okay, okay.

Yes, that's what I was trying to get you to envision. You're not stacking them on top of each other necessarily. No, no. So the legs are like a horse. Four legs on the ground, like a horse's legs. And then the arms. The torso just, the torsos, sorry, go straight up. The arms, I think, are kind of like Goro.

Are they evenly spaced between the torsos, or are they all? Oh, God, they'd have to. Okay. They'd have to be, wouldn't they? Okay. But the heads, what are the heads like? Are they next to each other? The heads are very bad.

Are they next to each other on the top torso? No, it's not a Zaphod-Biebelbrock situation. I'm imagining a Krang, sort of a Krang alignment. So somebody gets a head in the middle of the body. It's not such a bad deal, because you are like regular head height at that point probably and then you have you just have like an extra dude above you if you're thinking about it you're thinking about it like oh kevin would get a bad deal if he was the tummy man because he's only halfway down the totem pole but i'm saying you could say that him being the tummy man means that he's just wearing a Mikkel hat.

Can we just please talk about this for an hour? That is all I want to do. If you had to smush these two boys, how would you put these two boys together? Ass to ass. No, come on, Rachel! We were having fun! You reversed a bad scene in the dark movie. I'm sorry.

Bad job. It demanded itself. It demanded itself. All right, now we have to move on, unfortunately. The two-boy bit is gone. I'm sorry I ruined it. Okay, so this is not unusual for the final two. She is kind of cataloging for us the story of both the men and what she likes

about them. And the thing she keeps hitting on with Kevin is that they have such an intense connection, but she worries about his hints of jealousy and whether he actually means what he says, or he's just saying the right things. And then with Mikkel, she kind of talks about how handsome and sweetie is and how he doesn't know

how handsome he is and he's selfless but last week yeah he had his little fit kind of start in media res here a little bit because it like that was the cliffhanger was him having a fit and saying he was going to leave then a limo driving off and this episode doesn't even fucking start with that you know what I kind of wanted to talk about? Huh? Is this phenomenon that's so attractive, which is people being good looking or being incredible and not realizing that? You mean a phenomenon localized to the television franchise The Bachelor, Bachelor, and I? No.

Haven't you ever heard that? Like as a compliment of just like, oh, you don't even know how great you are. Or like, you don't even know how good looking you are or whatever. That can happen. You don't think that's a real, like people that's. No, I'm saying it's a common thing, but it's a weird compliment to receive because it's almost like. You have bad self-esteem. Yeah.

Or like if you knew how attractive you were you would be intolerable or yeah on the other side like you must think a lot less of yourself than you actually deserve i mean here's i think in the context of this television show which we're talking about now and you see that talked about here is when somebody says you have no idea how great you are what they're actually saying is i have no idea how great you are well and i think it's like a way of like saying like superlative you have an infinite cap on your greatness and i can't i can't see it but you can't either and you've had you've been with yourself this whole time yeah it's like no dog i think it's just that you don't know me very well and no that's part of it and it's also just like oh you mean i'm a good person and i'm not super conceited about you know something i

watch out for in this show is when somebody says something relatively uh innocuous but sweet about the other person like i really like the way that you you know take take little sips of your of your drink with dent like something like that something like that just like oh you actually are paying attention and not just like you're like the nicest person i've ever yeah that's what you say on a fucking first date when like you're extremely thirsty and it is 99.9 of the compliments paid on this show you're like the sweetest person I've ever met. That's okay. Thank you. That's nice to hear, I guess.

I know what you mean, yeah. I feel like she gives those out more than she receives them. Even from Mikkel, who I, you know, I like Mikkel a lot, but it's a lot of like, I've never met somebody so genuine in my whole life. Although, when Mikkel sits down with her mom later in the episode, man, he rattles off stuff that I don't even think he's told Jasmine. Yeah. It's impressive. I think Mikkel is more on point.

I just wanted to mention, like, that is something that has kind of popped out to me while watching this show. I know. It's like how commercials, you can say, like, Hidden Valley has the best ranch dressing ever. But you can't say Hidden Valley is better than this ranch dressing unless you have some sort of provable metric or survey data. Yeah. It's like that. It's like, you can say, Rachel, you are the best person alive. And I do believe that.

Yeah, no, that's why it's always so hard to buy the romance, is that usually it's just like, oh, she's just so beautiful, and just so sweet, and so kind, and it just sounds so pat, you know?

Anyway... Anyway, so we're in Cuba, and she's going to go out with Mikkel first, and she wants to get kind of to the bottom of his little fit the previous week. And so they go out on a catamaran, which is a private catamaran. And they say the word catamaran a lot. About a hundred times, yeah. A real catamaran?

Which, have you ever been on a catamaran? I've never been on The Bachelor or Bachelorette, and that's the only time that anybody ever goes out on a catamaran, so unfortunately, no. I imagine people that live close to the ocean probably spend a lot of time on catamarans. Yeah, we'll get that catamaran dream going someday. I hope so. If I owned a catamaran, I would call it Catamaran Domacy. Oh, that's nice. You know that one, then. I've heard would call it Catamaran Damacy. Oh, that's nice.

You know that one then. I've heard you say. Catamaran Damacy? Yeah, I've heard you say it. You'd like that game. You're a little boy and you have a small ball. And then it rolls. You roll and you pick things up and the ball gets bigger.

And the bigger the ball gets, the bigger things you can pick up. Yeah, I totally love that game. You'd be into it. I would like to play it. So they're out on the catamaran. And so she decides to talk to Mikkel and get to the bottom of his feelings. And he has a really hard time expressing himself. Yeah, so this is what I was talking about. Jasmine, like, stays with him while Mikkel has a really hard time talking about why he was so upset,

he's saying stuff like, you know, it's just really hard. It's a lot of emotions. There's just a lot of emotions, and you have to be very vulnerable. And Jackson's like, okay, what is it? What's bothering you? Well, you know, it's just like I wasn't ready for how real it was going to get, and it's just very emotional. Well, and then he says something that I think is interesting. He's like well i don't want to put that on you that's not fair you know it's it's not your problem you know i don't want to like put this on you this is a thing

that like i have to work out uh and then it's so he's like he like asking permission to be a bad communicator at that point but jasmine is like explain to me explicitly what is wrong with you so we can talk about it and finally he reveals like he's nervous about the idea of fantasy suite he was hoping that fantasy suites wasn't going to happen because he's like really into her and the thought of her spending the night with another dude like bums him out yeah and finally she's like thank you i know she's like of course it does that makes total sense to me but like i've never seen this exchange on any version of the bachelor from from a bachelor a bachelorette american canadian australian whatever well maybe we need to go back and watch those early seasons because maybe now it's just so expected but he's thinking this is the first bachelor at canada maybe they won't do it because jojo i love jojo but if somebody was like you know i'm just it's

really emotional she'd be like okay yeah it is it is very emotional and then she'd tell the camera like i really wish she could open up to me in that moment and jasmine's like open the fuck up dog yeah jasmine kicks the door down yeah they even had this moment where they both talk about how I really wish she could open up to me in that moment. And Jasmine's like, open the fuck up, dog. Yeah. Jasmine kicks the door down. Yeah, they even had this moment where they both talk about how communication is really important. And she's like, well, you're kind of bad at it. Which I thought was nice. Yeah.

I don't know. It's almost like he seems pretty good at it in a way. Because he's always been really open with her about how he feels. But he is, he seems pretty good at it in a way. Because he's always been really open with her about how he feels. But he is, I mean, he is also the shy boy. He's the shy, he's the very soft, shy boy. And I want to protect him very much. But, like, he doesn't speak out all that much. Well, and I think he's just afraid of looking bad.

You know, I think that's part of it like he but i also think like the way that it came out because i don't know you hear like he does he's not crazy about her spending the night with another dude in the fantasy suite it's like well that's her prerogative that's the fucking show like you know but that's part of it makes me think like oh he he's actually really into her. Because the thought of like, I'm really into you. Please don't like go hook up with somebody else. Is like, I don't know when you're,

when you're, it's obviously not, they're not in a monogamous relationship. Obviously they're on a romance dating show. But like, I don't know when I hear stuff like that and I see him sort of stumble over his words to tell her how he truly feels. Like I see that stuff. I'm like, oh don't know when I hear stuff like that and I see him sort of stumble over his words to tell her how he truly feels like I say that stuff. I'm like, oh, wow.

OK, this could actually be a he could actually be like really into it. This might not be for play play. He's not just like saying all the right shit. Yeah, I think when you say the wrong shit, it's like, wow, this guy's really tripping up. Yeah, no, I think i think that's true i think he expresses a very real concern that most people would have yeah um and for some reason it just takes him a really long time to do it but they talk it out and then but jasmine isn't like okay i won't do it like jasmine never even shows a sign of like okay well then no fantasy suites then she's like okay thanks for telling me yeah i'll keep that in mind glad we got to the bottom of that yeah uh and then so here's

you were talking about like little things that somebody says that like reveal that they're really paying attention yeah jasmine says this thing that i just felt like it was it could have been really cliche but she's talking to the camera after that moment. And she says, being able to make Mikkel happy makes me feel really good. That's the fucking sweetest thing I've ever heard anybody say on this show before. I know. Well, and she's the Bachelorette. That's crazy.

Like, there's no onus on her to, like, woo everybody. Right. They're all wooing her. I love that moment. And it too. God, I hope they end up together. God, please. I know.

I didn't. The other thing didn't go so much the way I wanted it to. Please, please, please. Sometimes I wonder if we're being abstract enough that when we listen back to this 10 years from now, we'll be like, what happened on that day? How weird. Okay, so they go to a beach and there's like a little trio of musicians playing i hear from the kitchen well it's not the kitchen it's we have like an open open it's open concept it's an open concept space well no because i can see i can see the tv from the kitchen but i just heard Rachel go like, oh, God, they're going to dance.

Yeah. I was thinking, like, are Griffin and I just not full enough of whimsy that when we approach performers, we don't immediately start dancing? Because on this show, anytime there is a... And when I say this show show i mean every show in the franchise they just see musicians and immediately it's like oh you know what we should just do a little dance right here yeah or say we're going to do their dance we're going to do a mockery of their beautiful belly dance um yeah so they do a little dance on the beach that's just not our style baby don't second guess i like i like, and I will patronize musicians, both of the stage and busking variety.

Well, and I just also, I worry that I prioritize food too much, because I just saw that table and chairs on the beach all laid out. Yeah. And if I had just gotten into the sand, it was sunset and I saw a table with food on it, I'd be like, oh, how nice, there's musicians. And I would immediately go to that table and sit right down. I'd be thinking like sand fleas, beach gnats. There's some sort of aphid that is going to start congregating around this food so we

should get while the getting's good. Yeah. Like, I wouldn't want it to get cold. No. And the music's very nice. Yeah. Maybe it's scaring some of the bugs away so it's a pragmatic and then it's you and me and so we would finish eating in like seven minutes and the band wouldn't even be finished playing yet and there were never any aphids there were never any aphids we just wanted to eat that that ham So there's more champagne, of course. And then Jasmine just kind of unleashes like a string of compliments.

Just talks about how thoughtful he is and how sweet and how she likes that about him and how he shouldn't feel like he has to change anything because she likes him exactly how he is. Not because he looks like Leonardo. Or that guy who played in Fargo. I because he looks like Leonardo. Or that guy who played in Fargo. I think his name was Steve. You're going to get more copies of that CD. It's a good fucking CD.

I'll take more. No, Griffin, no. Please don't send me more copies of Now That's What I Call Music. I have one in the car, and then I have the insurance disc in case the first one breaks down. And it's all I listen to. So thank you, folks who did send me now. That's what I call music volume three.

And then there's a date card. And I got really excited because I thought maybe there will be some variation in what the card says. Perhaps a more polite way of saying y'all won't fuck. But it was exactly like literally down to the word forego. Should you choose to forego your individual rooms? Yes. A fantasy suite will be provided to you. Well, no, and join.

Oh, no, that's the. Please take this key and join each other in the fantasy suite. Okay. Like best Noah or whatever. A prosecutor will be provided to you that's good do you think there's cops out there who are like you have the right to remain silent should you choose to forgo your individual oh shit now this arrest doesn't count all right get out of here damn it almost had him too almost had him, too. Almost had him.

So they take the card. They're into it. They accept Noah's offer. Noah, who is not in this episode at all. Not at all. I think it's because a lot of it was set during the sunshine hours. Do you think he even got to go to Cuba? I guess we'll see. I guess we'll see, won't we? I will say, I mean, two questions about that.

Two questions. One, is Noah in Cuba? Has anybody seen Noah? Please bring him home. Number two, see i guess we'll see won't we um i will say i mean two questions about that two questions one is no in cuba has anybody seen noah please bring him home number two you brought this one up while i was cooking who's the fucking neil lane this time is it neil i can't wait to find that out because if there's no reason why it couldn't be neil lane except that if in if neil lane is in every international version of this television show that's that dude's full-time job oh my gosh how great would that be to just watch like a montage of bachelor and bachelorette around the world and it's just neil lane every time aging backwards he tried he would have to travel with like a retinue of armed body men, right?

To protect... He travels with a briefcase full of the most precious gemstones. I feel like he only ever has like four rings. That's what it was when I picked out your engagement ring. I went to the store and they had four. And I was like, I'll take option C. Did the guy at the store sit down with you and like, so, did you really like her? What can you tell me about her me i don't think he did he was less enthusiastic about our love as he was about his many many

ranks he was so great austin gallery jewelers gallery jewelers hit them up they're gonna give you the the gemstones you crave he's got some big dogs. He's got big dogs. I love it. It's just this dude who is extremely enthusiastic about his rings. He's got these big fucking dogs. They're nice dogs, though. But they look scary. They look scary, but they're sweet. They're sweet. So after their meal, or what we can assume was their meal, they walk out into the ocean,

we can assume, was their meal. They walk out into the ocean, and they make out, and there's sunset. And Jasmine tells us how it's sexy, how confident he is now. And then they go to the suite, which is just a bed. That's it. No, like, couch, hot tub, outdoor, indoor. It's a kind of suite then, huh? It's just kind of like a room.

And we don't even get, like, a little tease of the well you know the two of them kind of foreplaying we just get the light goes off the light goes off and then no next day shot either of them in robes with like her shoes on the ground or anything just the lights go off and then you hear playing through legally it has to be one week when you consummate like in in Cuba uh-huh yeah you sorry everybody if you thought that was a Canada joke you're wrong in Cuba the first time you make love to somebody you have to put on one week with the veryaked Ladies and spoiler alert you better finish by the time the song's over

because then you're done it's 3 minutes 16 seconds long so you don't have a lot of time imagine that beach aphids are coming and you need to take care of business stressful you get to that bridge

and you're like oh god please hurry hurry go what happens if you don't finish in the three minutes don't finish they would like this you don't get arrested or something does something rip you apart no i mean sexual anguish but it's not like a Hellraiser situation. You don't think all Cubans are having sex? What happens? Putting their digits in a Hellraiser pain box and trying to fuck the bare naked ladies

before time runs out? What happens when people hear that song outside of the bedroom? Yeah, great question. Do they just instantly become aroused? Uh-huh. Or very afraid, depending on how it went.

instantly become aroused. Or very afraid, depending on how it went. There's a lot of questions I want to ask about that, but I don't really want to get into it, I don't think. We also are going so slow through this episode. It's like quicksand. I'm just enjoying your company. Me too. We never look at each other anymore.

Okay, Kevin's date oh boy kevin's date kevin's date so she is in a car they make a big deal out of the classic cars in cuba that's a big deal there yeah why is that i don't know i i like the dumb part of my brain thinks it's like there was just some sort of trade agreement. Because there's been, like, an embargo there for so long. Maybe they just, like, have these, they don't get a bunch of cars. But that's stupid. That can't possibly be the real answer. So they're all driving around old cars and watching, like, old Disney movies?

It can't possibly be the right answer. I'll be honest. I will. I bet the Disney Vault is fully accessible there year-round. Oh, shit. Maybe. I don't know. I genuinely, legitimately. I will. I bet the Disney Vault is fully accessible there year round. Oh, shit. Maybe. I don't know. I genuinely, legitimately don't know.

But I dig it. I dig those old ass gigantic tank cars. So they get taken to a street in Old Havana. And they talk a little bit about her family visit with Kevin's mom and brother. How it was a fucking disaster. Yeah, and here's the thing that was interesting. He doesn't really ever apologize, because Jasmine makes very clear that it was, quote, challenging for her.

for her um and he he at no point seems to feel bad that she had been so uncomfortable um and just kind of says oh yeah well you know i think she's a little skeptical but you know they trust my judgment uh you know and i'm an adult so you know i so I think it's fine. I don't know that he had to apologize. Maybe, sorry my family didn't like you is like a weird... No, but if I went to meet your family and they grilled me and made me uncomfortable, wouldn't you be like, hey, I'm sorry that that was like that for you? I'm not saying you have to apologize for your mom. But, like, if the experience is not pleasant. It was not great, yeah. Yeah.

So, anyways, they walk into a square and there is a fortune teller. Oh, fuck. Is this the second time this happened this season? Or did it just happen on JoJo's? It must have just happened on JoJo's season. And that's why it seems so recent. Well, it happened in Bachelor in Paradise. Oh, my God.

Remember? God. Wasn't that Ashley and Wells that did that in Paradise. Oh, my God. Remember? God. Wasn't that Ashley and Wells that did that in Mexico? Maybe, yeah. But yeah, there's a fortune teller who doesn't speak English, so they, quote, find a translator. And the fortune teller tells them that they should live together and close to family, but not with family, which Jasmine makes a little joke about, which I thought was funny.

That they're going to have beautiful children. And then there's just this long list of children. Many children. You're going to have three boys. You're going to have twins. And there's going to be lots of money. And then you're going to have two more children. You're going to need that money if you have seven kids. And then you're going to have two more children.

You're going to need that money if you have seven kids. And so they're just, you know, kind of having fun with the local culture, I guess, in that moment. And then they go to a restaurant on the water and there is a band. And so they dance. God, no. Sorry, I'm yawning so much. And so there is a theatrical singer that is singing passionately while they are dancing. And while they're dancing, you get the opportunity to get a good look at the tight jeans on Kevin.

Okay, some debate in the group. I only saw it for a second. Very tight. I think they may have been jeggings. Yeah, they had a spandexy quality. Yeah, because they were fucking jeggings. They were cuffed jeggings. Yeah, they had a spandexy quality. Yeah, because they were fucking jeggings. They were cuffed jeggings. Yeah.

If they were not cuffed jeggings, these jeans had been grafted onto this boy. Yeah, they got significantly narrower by the calf, and you could see a lot of muscle definition through them. It is possible that they were painted on him, like some sort of intricate body art. Done by some sort of Cuban street artist. So, after they're done dancing, Kevin tells this story of when

they were flying, either to or from Jamaica. And at that point, there's still like 15 guys. And this story is weird. I was trying to explain it to Griffin because he was cooking. So the story is, he is on the plane, and the flight attendant comes up to him. And it's like, what's going on here is a big group of guys. And he says, oh, we're just like a soccer team. And the flight attendant says,

no, your contestant's on The Bachelorette. And he, you know, kind of is coy about it. And then it's the end of the flight and she comes back over to him and hands him this like crumpled up piece of paper. Meanwhile, Jasmine is hearing the story. You can tell she's like, oh, stop telling me this story about this woman flirting with you on the airplane.

And this crumpled up piece of paper, he then removes from his own pocket. And it is, it is the script on it is the final rose. Like she tore it off a tabloid, probably lit up and handed it to him. Like you're the one. And Kevin thinks this is a cute story because he thinks like, she predicted that I was going to be here at the end.

How crazy is this? I couldn't make this up. But Jasmine's kind of like. Boy, women sure do like paying attention to you, huh? It's kind of like, clearly she was like hitting on you and thought that you were like the best out of the bunch and gave this to you because she thought you were the cutest i thought this story was bullshit at first i will now say after thinking about it if i was on an airplane and there was a crew of people and contestants on the television show the bachelor bachelorette i think i i think i could sleuth it out i think i could figure it out if i saw the correct array of human beings sitting

next to each other on a plane and i saw them and it was either like a bunch of dudes with the same fucking haircut yeah let's talk about that array so what would you need well what formula would equal to you oh these are contestants on the bachelorette i mean okay uh we'll say it's like two rows of two, right? And then like, I see 12 seats, like basically together. And I see a bunch, all of them very handsome. If I just see that many handsome people sitting next to each other, then- Some of them very muscular, some of them not so much. Right.

Then that's, I mean, that's a pretty good giveaway right uh if one of them looks like sort of a douchey businessman hello if all of them have the same like fade haircut yeah yes hello how's it going if they're all like approximately between the ages of like 27 and 35 absolutely yeah these Yeah. These are all dead giveaways. Good teeth. Every single one of them has to have good teeth. Yeah. But it's still a weird,

it's still a very strange story. I don't know. And it certainly didn't seem to resonate with Jasmine in the way that Kevin was hoping for. And then Jasmine kind of like gets uncomfortable and he picks up on that

and it's like, it seems like you have something on your mind. And she tells us, the viewer, and then goes on to tell kevin like she feels uncomfortable because he's not the only one left and she doesn't want to set the tone that he is and so she literally says to him i care about mckell um and i just want you to know that, that you're not the only one here. And Kevin does what he does, which is he kind of just gets quiet and seems uncomfortable. Yeah. But then he bounces back in a way that he didn't before,

like when this happened at the rose ceremony and he was jealous of the cocktail party. And he says, you know, it's hard to hear. I consider us together. But, you know, I'm here for you and I'll see it through to the end. You know, and I'm just and then he says and people were talking about this in the Rosebuddies group. Yes, it sucked. He says, like, I think of you. He either says, I think of you or I see you, I think of you, or I, I see you.

I see you as my sidekick. As my sidekick. That's a miserable way to describe anybody. I don't think he had any ill intent. I think he was trying to be cute. I know that. It is a, it is a fairly innocuous,

but it's also like, unless you're talking about fucking. Andy Richter. Boy wonder Dick Grayson. Like. Yeah. It's not. It's not something you say about a romantic partner. It's not a cool thing to say.

Yeah. I don't. Yeah, I agree. I don't think he meant anything by it, but that doesn't make it any less yucky. But she's kind of charmed by this. And this is kind of the double standard that I think is what is at the root of my angst between Kevin and Mikkel is that she's very satisfied with him being able to just say that he's there for her and that he's going to stick it out.

And she's like, I really like it when you let go of this tough guy image. We get to see the soft romantic guy underneath it. If you want a soft boy, might I direct you to the softest lad in the game? The softest in the set. Yeah, it's tricky because Kevin is one of those guys that really rewards you the more you get to know him. And so you feel like, oh, I'm really getting somewhere.

He's really letting me in. Whereas Mikkel just day one is like hey this is how i feel i also think our barometer's fucked up because if kevin was on jojo season making it to like the final six or whatever we would i'd probably be into into kevin no that's actually very true but this is a good this has been like a aside from a few stinkaroos, it's been a good batch of boys. Yeah. They say that from the start. And I think Kevin's fine. He said, yeah, obviously he said that gross thing about the sidekicks, but like, I think he's fine.

Yeah. It's just like, it's a good batch. Well, the problem is we're just too into Mikkel. I'm so deep into Mikkel. Like, I can't even see anybody else. I know. It's hard. I got Mikkel blinders on.

I know. So they also get a date card. Yes. Not really a date card. It's like a boner coupon. Yeah, sorry. I shouldn't call it that. Oh, God.

A boner for either of them. And it's got an iTunes gift card in there. The metaphorical boner for either of them and it's got an itunes gift card the metaphorical boner it's got an itunes gift card in there for the bare naked lady song they have it they have it it comes in the room it does come on rachel it does you need to be my better angel i am trying to make a joke you're just making a cum joke. It's your fault. You made me this way. I did. So they decide to go

to the room. And I always enjoy the way people kind of talk through this thing they're about to do. Because Kevin says a lot of like, oh, we're probably just going to not get any sleep because we're just going to be up all night talking.

That's what every person said. We're just going to stay up and talk for so long. We just have a lot to talk about. And then finally, they must have pushed him for a while because finally, he says, and have some privacy to do some other stuff. Like, there it is. I'm curious and not, this is going to be a really gross thing to say and i

realize it but i swear it's coming from a place of genuine curiosity about how the show gets made i wonder what the percentage of people who do bone down are and what the percentage of people are who are like shut the all right well no more cameras well. Well, it sounds like maybe Kevin and her didn't. Yeah. That was gross to say, because I really don't want to wait. Who's having sex? I'm curious, because I want to go behind kayfabe

on this show constantly. I want to live there. I want to buy a house behind kayfabe in this show. And so I'm curious. I guess if there's a physical attraction, it's like yeah let's have some let's just do it i mean can i ask you what you would do in that situation it's hard to i don't know i don't know like i mean you've made it pretty far at this point like you're

probably pretty into the person sure but i i don't it's it's weird i don't think i don't think i could i don't think i could divorce the fact that we are... Well, the cameras are gone. Sure. We're still co-hosts on a television show. We're still co-workers on a television show. There's a small chance. There's an outside chance we might get married at the end of it and do this more and babies will happen.

Or won't happen. But you've just had a really romantic day and the room is really romantic while the hero is filming and trying to get that good footage for the episode bare naked ladies is playing tomorrow there's a chance that i'll be fired from the television show because you didn't pick me anymore i guess so and it's like a it's like that's a that would be a hard thing to set aside if you're okay here's one more thing I'll say. If you are really seriously thinking about getting engaged to this person, don't you want to have that? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I guess that's a factor I didn't really consider.

Do you really want to propose to somebody without being intimate, you know? That's interesting. I hadn't really considered that angle. But, I mean, obviously you need to consider that. You've got to consider the angle. And I'm not saying that everybody needs to have sex before they decide to get married sure i guess i'm saying i'm less interested in whether or not they have sex and i'm more interested in that is the first moment where there's nobody else in the room what what happens like what's

this what's the first what's the first thing you say when the door shuts and it's just you and you're off hours, but you're hanging out? That's what was so fascinating about Andy and Juan Pablo. She really let us in the next day. It was like he talked about himself the whole time. It was really gross. This was before we were doing the podcast. Juan Pablo, we've talked about, was a really shitty season with, like, the worst Bachelor. And she, like, left the show the next day.

It was like, that was awful. I'm out. Yeah, he was the Bachelor. She was a contestant. And she was like, he's just, like, a piece of shit. Like, he just sucks. And this was the first, or maybe, I don't know when the Claire helicopter thing happened on that same season. Claire, who's been on a couple Bachelor in Paradise, is probably one that has been, well, no, this last Bachelor in Paradise is the first one we've done.

She's an alum. She's a veteran of this franchise. But she debuted in Juan Pablo's season. They were on a helicopter ride. And she said, I love you. And he said, off camera, I love fucking you. And then she, like, got off the helicopter and was like, yo, dog, that sucks. Still in a stand on the show, though, for another couple episodes.

She did stick around for him to not propose. She stormed out in the finale right when it counted. But like, yeah, I'm just. Anyway, it is fascinating. When the cameras aren't filming. Yeah. I just want to know that first five minutes. Yeah.

Okay, so now what? I know. It's got to be a little weird. How do you approach the subject? Have you been faking this whole time? Are we going to? Yeah. Okay. So now what? I know it's got to be a little weird. How do you approach the subject? Have you been faking this whole time? Are we going to? Yeah.

Have you been faking or is this a real thing? Yeah. Like, what are you hoping to happen after the show? Is this so you can build up your Instagram followers? Because whether that moment exists in the fantasy suite or whether that moment exists while they are setting up a shot, although I assume they would like keep you separated during that. Like in those moments between shooting or at the fantasy suite, that moment exists somewhere.

And it's fucking fascinating to me. Is this real this whole time? Cause people do get married from this and have kids and start families and it's crazy. Is that us? Or is this just like a TV show thing? Yeah. I don't know. I. I don't know.

I, I, I don't know. Like, I wonder if real business deals happen in there. Yeah. Like, Hey,

let's get married. Like we'll do, we'll get a fucking Ben and Lauren TV series. Um, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

No way to know. Damn it. Behind closed doors, you know? Yeah. I want to be in the room where it happens, but not for the fucking. I promise. That's not what it is. I will leave politely.

Yeah. Discreetly. You will never know I was there. I will turn on the Barenaked Ladies, and I will leave really quick, because at that point, every second I'm in the room is valuable bone time. Yeah. So we do find out. we get a little peek because. Oh, nice.

Sick. Because Jasmine says that they actually get into an argument. She tells us the next day discussion got kind of intense and emotional and heated and he left. He said the date had been ruined and then he left.

Yeah. But then he came back. But then he came back later and apologized and they still had an amazing night. And it just kind of added to her fears

that he won't stick around when things get tough. Based on the empirical evidence that he's done it like three times. Yeah. He's done it like three times in eight weeks, nine weeks. She said, I wrote this down and I don't want to quote it if it's not right, but she said something like

the discussion we had got him kind of insecure and it got emotional and heated and he left. And I don't know if that, if that was like a poor note taking on my part or if that actually, I think that's what she said. Yeah. Like,

so it just makes me wonder what they were talking about. Like maybe he did what you suggested where he was like, Hey, is this real? Are you going to pick me? And she's might've still been like, sure. I don't know. And then he's like, how this real are you gonna pick me and she's might have still been like yeah sure i don't know and then he's like how how can you not know and i i don't know that's all speculation uh we got to get to the family visits okay so it is time to meet jasmine's mom

linda her sister jade and her friend laura lee we met the first two in the first episode when we learned uh everything about the the the shining north star that is jasmine um but we got to spend a lot of time with the extended fam so she and laura lee she tells her ladies that she feels strongly about both of them and the mom tells us that she just really wants somebody who Jasmine loves and who loves Jasmine, which, like, okay. That's what we're doing. That's why we're here. Seems about right.

And then she tells her friend, Laura Lee, like, I really want you to cross-examine these guys. And at first I thought that was just an expression. But then she goes on to tell us that Jasmine or that Laura Lee is a criminal defense lawyer. And so she literally wants her to cross-examine them. And it's wild that there is a lawyer Laura Lee.

Oh, I didn't even think about that. Lawyer Laura Lee. You're being awfully lawyerly Laura Lee. Lawyer Laura Lee. And it is quickly established that she is a Cylon. Jasmine says that she's really different than me. And I thought that was just kind of like a casual thing that you say, you know, about some of your friends. But no, this woman is so methodical.

There are many copies. Yeah, she has. Some Cylons don't even know that they're a Cylon. She's like a stack of papers that she mechanically reads from to question these gentlemen. Yeah, she has a plan. So first up to bat, man, I miss Battlestar Galactica. You know me too, now that you started talking about it.

Yeah, Mikel. Mikel shows up. He's got his jeans rolled up in Capri fashion again, so we know he's ready to party. Or to go crabbing. You know what I noticed? What? Beautiful legs, beautiful hairless legs. Are they hairless?

I don't know. I don't think they're hairless? I don't know. I don't think they're hairless. I don't pay attention. Um, whenever the dudes meet the family on the American Bachelorette, I think they always bring a gift. Interesting. Yeah, that makes sense. Like flowers or something?

Or like in the case of, um, gosh, one of the guys from JoJo's season brings a bunch of funny hats oh god do you remember i think it was sean that's not good sean was like in my family we all wear funny hats to kind of lighten the mood i don't know i forget i would remember that because it would it would have been a real skeleton ejection situation i think i'm pretty right on that one. Maybe you were busy cooking. And Mikkel shows up and they immediately like him. But before they get a chance to like him, he goes around and hugs everybody. This was fucking amazing. And this is where we find out that Loralee is a very bad hugger.

And Jasmine describes her hug maneuver as a frail air hug. And we get to see it happen. And it is exactly that. It is so, so bad. But it's so funny because he does it and then he pulls away and he goes, that was kind of a bad hug. It was such a power play. And so immediately, Laura Lee starts asking him his age and whether he went to college and where it was. And then she pulls him away with the sister and asks him these very specific questions. Like, have you ever flirted with anyone while in a monogamous relationship? And it's like, monogamy is hard, isn't it? And he's like, well, no, I don't think so. And it's

like, oh, well, have you ever cheated on anyone? He's like, no, no, I've never, never cheated. Um, and he seems to do pretty well. He talks about how good he is at commitment. And then he volunteers that he's fallen in love and Jade and Laura Lee both recognize that he's very genuine. Um, and then kind of towards the end of the questioning,

Mikkel's like, do you know enough? Is this, is this everything you wanted? Like, is there anything else you want to ask me? And then he asked them both for their blessing and they give him. Laura Lee says, Laura Lee says, one last question. What that dick do though? And she asks both of them.

She like wants to make sure this is a good friend. What that dick do though she says that phrasing makes me wonder if she like wanted to know specifically what what do penises do make it's like a Cylon thing like you're programmed to know everything except what that dick she just starts slipping in other questions like like and and how babies get in there. Where do the babies, do they shoot out of there? Or does it come out of you? Or human women like me?

And then Mikkel talks to the mom. And Mikkel does this really smart kind of vulnerable thing where he just says um you did like such an amazing job raising your daughter and she's beautiful inside and out and she's so caring and and she shows it and brings it out in you and i just wanted you to know that you did such a good job and so so then immediately Jasmine's mom starts crying. Yeah. And really likes, really likes Mikkel. Mikkel is working super hard.

He's like, I just want you to know I have a good job. I'll be able to take care of her. He's going hard. Yeah. And she just says, you know, I just care that you're good to her. Nothing else matters to me. I can tell you're an honest person. And she gives her blessing.

All right. And Mikkel tells us, I really took care of business in there. Again, kind of a weird way of putting it, but fine. Yeah. And so Jasmine regroups with the ladies and they're like, oh, he seems really honest and super nice and genuine. And And so Jasmine regroups with the ladies and they're like, oh, he seems really honest and super nice and genuine. And Jasmine's friend, Laura Lee, says, I give him a positive assessment.

And then somebody spills water on her and then she short circuits. And she short circuits and it's so sad, like the movie Short Circuit. on her and then she short circuits she short circuits and it's so sad like the movie short circuit kevin uh shows up and immediately all these like sirens start to go off because both jade and jasmine's mom are like yeah this this looks like her type like i just got that her name is jasmine her sister's name is j. There's a real Steven Universe situation. Yeah, they talk about how good looking and charismatic he is. And then Kevin just starts on his story. But he tells it in the way that you wouldn't typically tell a family.

He's like, oh, yeah, you know, I've been single for two years. My longest relationship was four years. But she really turned into more of a friend. And she kind of gave me an ultimatum. So I left. And since then, I've been on about 50 first dates in two years. You know, just to get. Can't say that. Can't say 50 first dates.

Just to get it out of my system. And this is when the mom is like, you know, he seems kind of like a ladies man. And how do you know? Like, how do you get something like that out of your system when you're going on that many dates and jasmine starts to pick up that they are not they are not digging it um which i get like yeah i would be nervous well there's also this ongoing narrative of this guy's kind of like all the other guys that she's been interested in yeah yeah uh and so laura lee pulls him aside with her stack of papers and asks him questions that i have to assume are the same ones that she asked mckell but they are they are at this point they are so like job interview specific it's like do you have a criminal record did you complete high school

do you have any debts or assets uh and while they're having this conversation kevin's being real chill about it and kind of like friendly with her and she's like he seems to be very aware of his attractiveness uh which i think is a good way to describe how he's behaving. And, but then he kind of flips it a little bit and he talks about how family is his favorite thing. Um, and then,

and then she says, my initial impression was amended. God, I love it. It's so good though. But then, yeah. So he says, you know, we're, we're going to, you know, Jasmine and I, we're going to grow up, but we don't have to rush it.

And all I can say is that in five years, like, hopefully, my most important thing is that we're happy. And, yeah, so Laura Lee leaves feeling like, you know, he's a decent guy, but he's not a sure thing. And so then Kevin is talking to the mom and the sister now. And they talk about how Jasmine is so pretty, but she's more than pretty. Yes. And he says, I always say that I'm a soft seven, but she's more than pretty. Yes. And he says, I always say that I'm a soft seven, but she's a 10. Sir,

you are a hard eight to nine, sir. Soft seven? Soft seven. You are a firm eight or a firm nine. I just get nervous when attractive people say stuff like that.

Like, oh yeah, I'm probably just like a 7. I'm like, oh my god. I'm a 0.9. What does that make the rest of us? I'm a 0.3. And Jade gets kind of uncomfortable with his confidence because he just kind of talks in a way

that suggests that he thinks he's winning this whole thing. And the mom... Because he says as much. He says like, I just feel like she's been giving me signals and I just have this feeling like, it's going to be me. And the mom is skeptical that he's ready to settle down.

And Kevin, I mean, Kevin does care about her. And they do notice that. No, I'm not, I don't want to throw shade on like how he feels about Jasmine. I'm saying he did not do a good job in this job interview. No. With the rest of the fam. No.

And so he says, you know, like, she really wants me to be happy. And this is different than most relationships and that we're kind of starting at the hard part. You know, normally when you meet somebody, you'd like go out and, and go see bands and go on dates and stuff. But we're starting at this kind of hard part of a relationship,

but I love her a lot and I'm fighting for her. Um, and I want good things for her. And then he asked for their permission. And they give like a really good answer. They're like, well, if she chooses you, for sure, you know, we trust her. We believe that you love her. And if she picks you, then we're happy for her.

It's kind of a weird way to put it, though, right? Because they're both going to propose no matter what. Yeah. It's kind of like a Schrodinger's cat thing. Because if he proposes and she says no, then he didn't have the parents' permission. But if they propose and she says yes, then they do have permission. It's a thinker, isn't it? Yeah, well.

It's only by observing the proposal. They're saying more like whoever jasmine picks we're going to support jasmine because we trust her but they're saying they're asking permission to do the act of proposing and until you witness the proposal before you witness it's not quantum locked is what i'm saying there's a lot of interesting science in this show not a lot of people realize that i don't think that's true i think that's 100 true okay uh so when he leaves they debrief and they kind of express their concerns they say like yeah he's he is very much in love with you um but he seems less caring than mikhail and she said yeah no i totally agree with you she's like

i feel like i click more with Kevin right away, but that I would get more support from Mikkel. She also says that she feels like Mikkel is catching up. And I hear that. And I'm like, what the fuck dog? Yeah. That she had this instant chemistry with Kevin and that Mikkel and her have

just started to get there. That's a bummer. Uh, and that's when Jasmine's sister says like kevin seems like the kind of guy that she'd be into now and that she's kind of having a fling with and mikhail seems more like the guy that would be there at the end which like if they don't end up together that's that's intense yeah i know uh is that it that's it oh we finished. That's what all I wrote down. So we get a teaser for Mental Law, but we don't know what happens finale part two.

It's a lot of Drew business. Yeah. It's going to be a lot of Drew business. Although we do get a clip of Jasmine thanking inventor Chris for speaking about Drew that one time. She was like, you're the only one that had my back. That's the only clip we saw. And I was like, hey, that's nice recognition. Yeah, there seems to be some angst between the dudes,

but it's hard to tell what exactly they're fighting about. I mean, it's Drew and Chris. Is that how you remember? You don't remember because it was stupid. And it lasted like three episodes. Oh, no, I remember the beef. I'm just saying that there appears to be a lot of beef on Mentel All. And I can't figure out what it's about.

There's always beef on Mentel All Bay. It's a regular hibachi. You know, they throw the beef right up on the table and make you look at the beef, think about the beef. So I wanted to thank some of our fans. Let's thank some fans. For sending us gifts. Specifically, I want to thank Joanne Burrows.

And I wanted to thank Carolyn and Cass. And I also wanted to thank Jan? That's her name. It's a question mark. It's, um... Jan?

Thank you. Very small handwriting. It's whoever sent us. So somebody sent us a nice little baby wrap garment. Jan or Jam. Someone sent us a nice little baby wrap. We also got a very adorable knit baby hat. And then we got an Amazon gift card.

Yeah, guys. Thank you all so much. It's incredible. We've gotten so much support from the listeners of this show for our baby, which is like a weird, like I've been doing podcasts for a long time now. And I adored like the relationship I have with the community around like the shows.

Cause like for the most part, it's kind of the same community. Although I feel like Rose buddies is its own. It has its own sort of like community thing going for i'm sure there's a lot of crossover there this show is about our love that's a good point yes but i'm saying like i've never had something like this we're like we're having a baby in like three to four weeks yeah and like our nursery is done and a lot of stuff in there came from the people who listen to our podcast i know and i'm not saying i doubted your generosity or anything

like that but it is it is manifest and it has like filled our needs in like a very real way and like i it's it's weird and it is like awe-inspiring. And I cannot tell you how much I appreciate it. The fact that Griffin mentioned that he wanted that now, that's what I call music three. We got two fucking copies. And he got two copies within a week. And now I'll be able to like let our baby boy grow up listening to just the best tunes. Yeah.

Seriously, you all are absolutely amazing uh like i don't want to dwell on on the bad stuff that's happening right now but like the point the point of light has been like everybody saying everybody's sort of coming coming together and saying uh you know how much they have sort of been able to tune the bad, bad, bad stuff out because of the stuff that we do. And it's very selfish of me to say that, but it's like the only thing that's made me feel like not an ineffectual, worthless piece of shit, which is I think a feeling that maybe a lot of us are struggling with right now after the election, is that.

And so just the support that you all constantly give us, I would be lost without it. So thank you. No, that's very true. And it's taken something that I think was kind of a guilty pleasure for us and turned it into something kind of significant. It already kind of was, right? Because we were watching with our group of friends, and it was like this thing that our community, our local community would get together on.

And I always thought that was a really special thing. And I didn't think, when we started doing the podcast even, I didn't think it was going to maintain that level of specialness, but expand in the way that it has to as big a group of people who are still as like genuinely amazing as it has. So like, yeah, it's, it's, it's something really special and we, we love you guys. And,

uh, thank you all very much. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you very much. Do you want to sign off? Sure. See you next week with the, when the,

when the boys talk back, the boys, the boys episode five, the boys strike back. Um, tell them you want to start it this time? Yeah. I'm Rachel McElroy.

I'm Griffin McElroy. When you're ready. Can you be a little bit more confident about it? Just like, when you're ready. That's not how you do it. Let's try it one more time. I'm Rachel McElroy. I'm Griffin McElroy.

When you're ready. Was that good I don't know how to be confident without sounding mean spoiler alert she is up with Soulja Boy