Wonderful! - Ep. 47: The Final Canadian Rose

Episode Date: November 23, 2016

Our time with The Bachelorette Canada draws to a close in this week's Rose Buddies. Who's getting down on one knee? Who's going to win Jasmine's heart? Who the hell is the Canadian equivalent of Neil Lane? All this and more inside. MaxFunDrive ends on March 29, 2024! Support our show now by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

Maybe, maybe you should go and do some contemplating. Right reasons, right reasons, being a good girl for all the right reasons. Right reasons, right reasons, being a good girl for all the right reasons. I'm the Bachelorette and I'm rapping to your poolside. Here to find true love. Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is Rose Buddies.

It's a podcast about... Oh, shit. I knocked a bunch of stuff over. Should we start over? No, we're in it. I only have so many megabytes of data on my computer. I can't waste them on false starts. I just knocked all my ding-dang games over.

Oh, my disc is on the ground. Babe. Splatoon was just on the ground aww what a metaphor though for this episode of The Bachelorette Canada we just watched huh you didn't say what our podcast was about Rosebuddies it's about The Bachelorette Canada

you should have picked that up by now well I mean not always no in fact one might argue it might never again be about The Bachelorette Canada. No, I hope it is. I hope we continue with this. Anyway, we just watched the finale of The Bachelorette Canada starring Jasmine, mine and Rachel's best friend.

Have we met Jasmine? No. I feel like we have. No, we haven't. We're all living underneath that big, the same big moon. Mm-hmm. If you think about it. On the same continent. Well, on the same continent. We're all friends underneath that big, the same big moon. Mm-hmm. If you think about it. On the same continent.

Well, on the same continent. We're all friends here on North America. And she's trying to decide between two good boys, and we're all just going to try and be here for her. I feel like during finale Eps of Rose Buddies, we usually spoil who won. Let's, because I imagine most of our listenership doesn't go through the arcane arts that we go through

to watch this show. You want show try and keep it under wraps big thanks to brock in the rose buddies group who uh essentially made this season possible for us thank you brock thank you brock and apologies again to the w network um but yeah i think we should try to be as chronological as possible don't you okay all right challenge the challenge is on um Yeah, this is the finale. How are you feeling? How are your spirits? Well, I don't want to give anything away. No, it could just be like in general. I'm very happy for Jasmine.

I think we both left the episode happy for Jasmine. I think Jasmine found love in a very hopeful place. I think there were a lot of good options. I think there's a strong batch of boys. We've said that from the start. I think there were a lot of good options. I think there's a strong batch of boys. We've said that from the start.

And I think they're, you know, it's hard to talk about without spoiling it. Maybe we should just get into it. Yeah, I don't think we can really talk about it without giving it away. Let's hop right in there. Okay. So Noah is taping this in front of a live studio audience. Himself? Yes. On like a handy cam. He's? Yes. On, like, a Handycam.

He's very busy. And it's very, like, zine. It's very, like, you know what I mean? Like, very... Like grassroots. Grassroots. Just like, what's up, guys? It's me, Noah.

Here with my edgy view. My skewed view. He's got, like, handwritten index cards that he's, like, throwing across the audience. Yeah, he's got a lotwritten index cards that he's like throwing across the audience yeah he's got um he's got a lot of buttons on his jeans like a button fly like a no i mean like you know buttons and tears and stitches and like cool he like wrote was that a thing at your school where the kids who were a bit edgier would write things on their jeans oh yeah and markers oh yeah it's fucking cool i always wanted to be like that i always wanted to write like what i was into yeah um well what would you have written though you know like charizard

mostly charizard um then just the names of all my poke friends um so so yeah so there we're getting queued up for the after the final rose much like they do in america where there's a live audience that watches the finale together and then gets to witness the taping post the birth of a new beautiful couple, rising from the ashes. And then we cut to Jasmine and Mikkel and Kevin in Cuba. And this is the fastest finale I have

ever seen. Guys, it was one hour and six minutes of total footage without Canadian commercials. Including the after the final rose. So it was like by by minute 40 they were donezo by minute like 25 you know who won like they get they banged through it man yeah yeah they so it's something usual for the last you know weekend or whatever it is for her to spend a day with one of the guys spend a day

with the other guy um but it's like a full day her her date with mikhail was no joke four minutes maybe of total show footage so first she has a date with kevin uh and they go to a cave while they're walking in the cave kevin says i I wonder if there's going to be bats. And then while they're talking in front of this cave, it's just constantly in the background, just like, squee, squee, squee, squee, squee, squee! It made it impossible. Like, you always, you tend to run away

when you're confronted with a comment. Squee, squee, squee, squee, squee! There were a lot of birds on Mikkel's date, too. I don't know if you noticed that. No, I did notice that. It's just everywhere. These winged bastards are ruining our audio. So I guess their first date was in a cave, which I had forgotten about, but they referenced.

This is like a callback to their first date. I forget that. I forgot that. And so Jasmine kind of launches in right away and says, you know, I've kind of debriefed with my mom and my friend. And they have the same question I do, which is, are you really ready for this? Are you really ready to settle down? And Kevin tells us, the viewer, that he's kind of frustrated with this questioning because he's so certain. And every time she says stuff like that, feels like she doesn't you know trust him but

she follows up and like is a good point because you have you don't have that much to go on you don't have that much time with the other person on this show and so out of the limited amount of time that her and kevin have had together uh which like in the after show they showed for both boys like a super cut of their best moments on the show and you watch that you're like that's not just their best moments that's it that's the whole that's that represents the entirety of the time they got to spend with with with jasmine on the show during that limited amount of time twice he was like fuck this i'm out and it's like yeah dog you you kind of gotta have those questions coming at you if that's what yeah i think first he starts to get defensive like he usually does because he's like she talks about how she's not sure he'll stick it out if things get tough because he always gets up and walks out and she's like well it's not like

our kevin says it's not like i'm planning to leave you i just want to cool off uh and she says well it's hard to watch you walk away and then say things like i don't need this that feel like a yeah threat um and it's here where kevin kind of realizes like i need to stop being defensive and so he says you know i wish i could go back uh and and show you more how i feel about you and and i should have stayed and he apologizes like yeah he's like you're right i was wrong those times and i should have stayed and he apologizes like yeah he's like you're right i was wrong those times and i i i want to get better at that yeah and he says you know that he's sorry he says you know i love you and then she says you know that i'm

falling in love with you so we're just we're doing this then huh, we're breaking out the L word. What? On both sides. What happened? In 2015, this was unheard of. I'm saying last year, all the way up to the Axeman. When the Axeman said, like, I love you, and actually said it back,

it was heresy. It was crazy. That was the beginning of this year in 2015 like if anybody done this would be like whoa that's weird and i realized this is a different you know this is a different property it's a different country but it's like it this used to be a fucking hard and fast rule you don't say it until you propose and now it's like a hundred percent of the time you say it to 100 of the people i can't tell if like which side it's coming from is it coming from the bachelor bachelorette or is it coming from the producer saying hey just so you know we're cool with it if you want to say this here i mean my concern is i is I, I, I'm guessing Ben season did really well.

This show is on the grow. And so when they find something that is like a good dramatic story points, like let's chase it. This is a very crass way of looking at the show. I realized that. Um, and, but like you look at that and then you look at a bachelor and then you look

at bachelorette and you even look at bachelorette Canada to a point now by the next to last episode, you've got to be in love with two people you have to be in love with two people and you have to be torn about it and then you have to tell those people yeah so that when you you know turn one of them down oh it's so fucking tasty and it's like i don't think i don't think that can be true every time i imagine this kind of conversation was happening in the fantasy suites when the cameras were gone. Fair. But yeah, now it seems like they make it a point to put it on air.

I don't, I don't, it could be real, whatever. We don't know. Jasmine, she keeps it 100. Definitely. But like, this is the third season of this show, not counting Bachelor in Paradise, which is just a fucking free-for-all, where like this is the third season of this show not counting bachelor in paradise which is just a fucking free-for-all um where the same thing happens i've fallen in love with two people i

can't decide but i'm gonna tell both of them i love them and then i'm gonna break their which like you hear that and you say like well that's just bachelor no you just think that if you don't watch the show because it's happened in every season of the show that we've covered that didn't used to be the case there is a season where and i don't want to spoil it because it's one of my favorite seasons where the bachelorette uh has the final two goes and breaks up with one of them early because she's like it's the other one yeah doesn't say i love you either of them until she breaks up with the other guy and it's like hey it's it's not you go home the guy goes home like i i feel like that what they think is just like guaranteed drama it ain't gonna if that happens in nick's fucking season i don't know it's just these two women and

i i love them both equally and i'm gonna tell them and then well i don't know the the drama like what if it just escalates what if all of a sudden like the final four six women i love all 30 of these women damn it but i'm saying like sure that is like a traditional like drama structure right though who's he gonna choose between these two but that season where the bachelorette sent the one guy home early i'll never forget that because that was like oh damn like that a lot. I like that a lot. God, that was a good season. Yeah. So that's the end of the date.

That's the end of the date. Boop, gone. They never. The bats fucking carry Kevin off to their lair. They never sit down. They never go to a second location. They never change clothes. It's just, we're talking in this cave.

Now we're not. Next day. Kevin walks off into the cave and johnson's like where are you going he's like oh i live i've always lived here since the paleolithic era he's a caveman joke oh he's got a very defined jawline and a and a brow line too and a long hair well used to there were some changes there have been some tweaks to the kevin technique good looking boy he looks so much like a hockey player it's all i can think about but a handsome hockey player come

on well i mean yeah i know i know i for me a hockey player isn't a slur yeah i know i know i'm not saying that all hockey players are ugly i'm just saying like you get beat on in the ring the ring that's what they call it, right? The hockey ring? Oh, man. No. Hat trick. There you go. Go Kings.

Go Kings. San Francisco Kings. San Antonio Kings. Los Angeles. Los Angeles Kings. Go Blues. There you go. That's the St. Louis team. There you go that's the st louis team there you go uh so now it's penalty penalty high sticking so don't come at me like you're not a sports head don't come at me with that energy like griffin all you know is books i would never come at you with that energy. Then we move on to Mikkel's date.

And it's over. Whoa. Yeah, Mikkel's date, like, they don't even go anywhere. They don't do anything. Mikkel's date, they stay at the resort and just go find a couch outside and sit on it. How's your date? It's a pretty chill date. will say mikhail shows up in uh very short shorts and hands her a flower which is sweet yeah it's sweet but yeah then they just

like walk the ground wait which part is sweet the shorts or the fucking flower i mean both those shorts were sweet as pie both in different ways um got to see his other hog i don't know because he has a motorcycle yeah rev me up that would what do they do on the couch uh so mikhail kind of recognizes this is his last chance to kind of make his case um and he tells us the viewer he says you know i i feel kind of like i should be fighting for her and i don't really know how to do that better not be physical fighting bud because then it won't happen good are you saying captain canada could destroy mikhkel? Mikkel's cut. Mikkel's ripped.

Mikkel is fit. Yes, he would be destroyed. He would be annihilated. And so he just kind of tells her again that he cares about her a lot. And she tells us, the viewer, that she can so clearly see a future with him and then she tells mikhail that she's falling in love with him and she says it twice uh and mikhail feels like well that's what i've been looking for this is the reassurance i needed piece of the puzzle yeah like i'm ready to propose I know that she's into it, and then that date's over. And that was it.

It's, I got so, I got so, I don't know. Part of me just thinks like, that rule of the bachelor or bachelorette not saying it until after the proposal. I just think that should be a rule. I mean, you can't tell people what to say. They used to. For like 15 straight seasons, they used to. Or is it like an unspoken rule? I don't know.

I think the Axeman fucking was the one that broke the contract. But they were like, ooh, that was good. like broke the contract but they were like oh that was good daddy like says jeff bachelor the creator of bachelor um yeah but the fact it's just happened again it's happened again oops I love you and you. Yeah. I love them. Yeah. It's just wild, man. I don't really understand. Because here's the thing. Here's, I think, why it's so surprising.

So if you're seeing two people, naturally there's going to be one you like better. And I think in liking one of them better, you just assume that you are in love with that one and not the other because you're comparing them constantly. But what we're hearing now from these bachelor and bachelorettes is, I do like one better, but that doesn't mean I don't love both of them. It's interesting from a like, we're all just created equal, you know? Everybody's got their own great stuff going on. Everybody's just equally in love. That's a beautiful utopia you've drawn up for yourself,

but you know, you know which one you like. It's like, I don't need that. I don't need extra pressure to feel bad for the runner-up. The amount that I feel bad for the runner-up depends on their performance after they get dumped, and that's it. Well, Griffin, it's not about you. Yes, it is! bad for the runner-up depends on their performance after they get dumped and that's it well griffin it's not about you yes it is lots of people are falling in love all over the world and getting

married and like having kids and being married for like 80 years and dying in each other's arms notebook style and i don't fucking see any of that this one i see this one they were like here's a relationship for you griff. Look at this. Ooh, we've got a special. Of course it's for me and you and us. I don't believe that Jasmine has created

her feelings for the viewers. No, not the feelings, just the presentation of them. I guess the one thing that could happen is that potentially the bachelor bachelorette could just not include that yeah they could they could edit it out and so we never know but that would be wild if it was like if you told somebody you love them but that one didn't make the cut like of course it's gonna make the cut yeah i just think i don't know i feel like it keeps you in suspense more i don't know it's like a it's a it's a there's zero value to it from like an info standpoint of like trying to judge who she's gonna pick right it's just designed to

like make the loser feel worse and i don't know i think that stinks unless it's real and she couldn't contain it. Yeah, I was going to say, you keep saying the way it was designed, but I don't think that has as much of a factor as you think it does. Well, okay, then not looking at it like that, even if it's all real, it's still a hurtful thing to be like, I know I'm going to shoot of these guys like out of the sky

if that's the case i'm like oh i don't think it's cool to tell them both that you love them no i that's a fair point if it's if it's not real that's even i think it's not it's even worse in a way because like it's that's a that's a rough thing to put on somebody's plate and then to throw their plate into the fucking ocean for a school of fish to eat well the thing the thing they always make it seem like is that the whoever the lead is they are deciding last minute and so this declaration of love to both of them shows how undecided they are up until like the day of well that kind of sucks for the winner then doesn't it like it's not i'm i i don't want to i'm not expressing my dissatisfaction at the show or the people on it

uh this is the season of the show i'm saying i'm i'm expressing dissatisfaction because the conclusion of this season was the same as the conclusion of the last two seasons and it's hard for me to divorce that from how i watch any other show where a fucking like breaking bad ended and it's like we blew up another guy every fucking time like you know what i mean like if there's there's drama has to be like it's gotta get all mixed up sometimes in order for it to stay interesting and it's different people and there's real ass feelings real people really fall in love starting families that's cool i get that i totally get that i'm not that cynical but from like a a narrative perspective like it was the same thing again i know i know but i i i maybe i'm foolish but I really believe that this actually happened this time.

Me too. And I've been negative this whole time. And I apologize because I think the couple that comes out of this is good. I turned to you at one point and I said, that's a good love. I said that. I did say that. Do you want to get to rink shopping? I would love to go rink shopping.

Sorry, baby. Rink shopping. I see what you did there. Yeah yeah this is called a throwback um so we were really curious about this a few episodes back who is the neal lane of canada um so on proposal day we well it's it's curious because in america the ring guy is neil lane and the kind of ring he shows you is a neil lane ring but in this case we see brett holiday could have been could have been holiday he had an accent fuck that's a good name let's just say this is brett holiday because that's a good brett Holiday, but he had Michael Hall rings. And I don't know anything about rings, but I was confused that he didn't come with his own flavor.

He had six to choose from. Yes. The number of rings is getting smaller, huh? Or maybe it's smaller. I mean, this is the first season of the Canadian show that we've watched, and I don't want to throw shade at their finances do you remember them they used to come out with like a suitcase full fucking yeah neil lane used to come out and be like here's my whole store yeah it was like a it was like a big multi-tiered briefcase he would up up in like a laundry hamper and like a million rings would come out of it and now i feel like but i feel like in recent seasons it's like here's 12 did you and this one's like you've got this unique woman you she's the light of your life

and she's perfect for you and you want to find that ring that matches her finger that missing piece perfect for her uniqueness here's six here's six to choose from maybe maybe they found that the men were taking too long when they brought them a lot of choices maybe yeah that's a possibility maybe it was like and neil lane can only be exposed to the sunlight for 15 minutes before um six though babe yeah six uh so first it is um first it is mikhail looking at rings this dude goes with a princess cut single stone that's fine that's tasteful it's got a single pink stone embedded at the base of the of the of the diamond that's a that seemed kind of weird to me and then it had that thing that i don't like where the band is just all diamonds all over

it just looks all i will say that it was a more um understated ring than we see they were all more understated than the uh in the bachelor bachelorette of the united states no there was very little like ice on these. Yeah, like nothing so big that Griffin turned to me and was like, that's too big, right? There was one that nobody looked at. But it looked like a, it was huge. So Mikal picks out a ring and then Kevin shows up, picks out a ring. But while he's picking out a ring we're getting this inner

cut of him talking to the camera about how he feels going into this final day this was wild yeah he is really really uncertain um and he keeps talking about how if it doesn't work out, that's fine. He's been taking care of himself his whole life. You know, he can suck it up and bury it. And then he, like, has a cry towel. He has, like, a large white towel. The wildest thing he says is, I told Jasmine after our date, because she was so stressed out, I gave her an out.

He said, I told her, just send me home. I'll be okay with it. I will go home. I'll live my life. I'll bury it and power through the way I've done with other stuff in my life. And then you just go with Mikkel

because he's a really great guy. Yeah, you can't go wrong with a guy like mick so let me go home let me go home and take the burden off you and you can just spend the rest of your time here just happy and you don't have to be as stressed out and he's saying this while like hunched over and like wiping his face with this towel and like man this dude is really like, and you've seen this a few times, like throughout the season, like he's so inside his own head. Um,

yeah. And she apparently tells him like, I'm not ready to say goodbye to you. Um, and so he's like, yeah. So, you know,

I picked out a ring. I hope I get to show it to her. There's something about that anguish though, that like feels so real like and i've talked about this a few times too because i i'm a big mikhail supporter but i also am a supporter of when i see stuff i'm like oh that's that could be something that could be a real something like when sean proposed to katherine that's my all-time dude That's my all-time, dude. That's my all-time top proposal. See, I don't even remember it.

I remember it because Catherine was like, oh, my God. Like, she was, like, genuinely, like, shaking uncontrollably and, like, losing her shit. I remember that now. Like, it's those displays of real emotion. And I think we're so desensitized to it. And I was trying to pay more attention to it while watching this episode. Because it's so alien watching two people sit next to each other and being like you're just the most important person in my life to me and like you're doing a job interview um and there

there wasn't too much stuff like that but it can still get like that sometimes and when you see these displays of people like actually having a fucking conniption because they're like realizing like oh man i'm i've got a lot of skin in the game and uh could just go home with nothing oh no when i see like an actual real reaction to that which it felt like that's what we were getting out of kevin like i see that it's hard not for me to not like be like oh i'm on this person's side now because yeah Yeah, it did seem really sincere. Like for all of our concerns about Kevin actually having real emotions, like that was apparent. I haven't thought that Kevin has not real emotions. I just,

I, I felt like Kevin was so removed from his own emotions that like you couldn't even tell if he knew how he was feeling because he seemed so disconnected from that part of himself i guess so i mean i think he was more disconnected from like the process like when we get so pissed off because he would think of her dating other dudes like this whole season he's been kind of a jealous kind of a grumpy dude who just like kind of bolts sometimes when he gets too upset like i don't know i feel like he's been one of the more emotional people yeah yeah i guess i guess maybe vulnerable is the word i'm looking for yeah sure um but but anyway so they both pick out rings and then it's time to

get ready for the for the big proposal moment and so we see jasmine getting ready and we see mikhail getting ready we get a nice close-up of that nipple ring as he's y'all it's the shirt this was i think the camera operator being like finally, let's put this mystery to bed. And just like zooms right in on it. The camera operator literally leans forward. Give him fucking 4D IMAX, Doctor Strange. And then we see Kevin getting ready. And then it's time to go out to the beach where the proposal will occur. And they've created like a little crate maze out toward Jasmine's.

I said it looked like a survivor immunity challenge like we had to go and break open the crates with this hatchet and collect the puzzle pieces to find the combination. I guess Bachelorette Canada doesn't have access to palapas the way that we do. Well I mean

they were in Cuba. There should be palapas ahoy so so instead they just made this path of crates to a place where jasmine was i was looking in the crates like maybe each crate has like a thing from one of the dates i couldn't no didn't think just like little little knickknacks stacked on crates uh and then and so then we're waiting to see who's going to come out first and what bachelor at canada does which is interesting is they show both the guys walking at the same time so you see both of them like walking through the beach and that way it's not like the limo pulls up somebody gets out whoever gets out first is the person going home a centimeter of pant leg

over a shoe and you're like oh it's him that's his shoe no this was more like both guys are walking which one is happening kind of a continuity error i guess but like i like it a lot more because it did build some tension until the reveal the loser the runner-up the jilted uh second place winner first first loser first loser we see jasmine waiting on the beach and we can tell somebody has arrived and we cut back and the person that has arrived first is mikhail that's fucking great that's just fine we had a lot of hurt hearts in the facebook group a lot of people spoiling it for us and that's okay gang like this is on us it was the finale and there was no way for us to watch it the first time people kept trying to post these

posts that were so obvious i don't want to spoil anything but fuck this show no like no spoilers but i'm devastated and i was like, then I know who it is. And if you were one of those people, don't be too upset. There were like six of you. We knew it was going to happen. Emotions were high. Rachel also got it spoiled by the Bachelorette Twitter account. Yeah, well, no, I follow them on Facebook.

And it was like, look at the happy couple. And I was like, well, this is my own fault. Which did, and I'll say something. I'll be honest. It kind of put a damper on my watch of the whole episode. Yeah. The whole episode's about building tension, and didn't get well it let us open our hearts to kevin a little bit i feel like i've had my heart open to kevin i've been coming around to kevin's side and watching it like the thing i keep coming back to is she's

always liked him more yeah like period here's here's so here's the comfort that i brought myself um so mckale as you know we love and we love mckale for who he is as a person as i think jasmine does sure but as a couple they just never they were cute together at times they were really cute together at times because they're both so great because they're both really great yeah i i feel like the same thing kind of happened with mike that happened here were like the last few episodes and maybe it's just because like i see i don't i don't agree with you on this i started to think like oh this dude's not gonna win and so maybe it was me just like trying to justify it but like i feel like they just kind of stalled out a little bit and that it wasn't like they weren't communicating and they weren't growing their relationship it was like the stuff they were doing to do that was very much like the job interview thing I was telling you about earlier.

Where it was just like, you're just really special to me. And I think you're so great. And it's just like, I'm so happy to have met you. But see, Jasmine was saying. That it was getting better. Yeah, that we were escalating. That she hit it off with Kevin right away. And that Mikkel had just like run up from behind. But she always presented it like mikhail's catching up to kevin and like okay

i know that's true i just think like what happened between the two of them and it became very clear in the after the final rose too is they both have such respect for each other and like a recognition that they are good people yes and it's just i mean even mckell was like it's just gonna take time yeah you know like and we'll be fine i will also say this now opens up the possibility and w network i don't know if this is how you roll but bachelor starring mckell are you fucking kidding me yes yes yes yes yes i know please do this please i can't imagine getting if this this is, if Bachelor Canada is happening during Bachelor or Bachelorette America, I cannot imagine watching two of these programs at the same time. The only way I would do it is if it's Mikkel.

If it's Mikkel, I will make the time to watch it because I have to see this. I have to see this TV program. Please. Yeah. I have to see this. I have to see this TV program, please. Yeah, so Mikel gives his little proposal speech. Well? Well, let me talk about it. Yeah. So he talks about how he wants them to be a team

and how he's always got her back no matter what. And then he kind of pauses and you know she's kind of upset and i think he's trying to figure out is this like an upset is this good weeping yeah and there's no even like there's no um he's not reaching for the holster no no there's no stutter like i'm gonna shift positions of my body there's no there's no knee there's no there's no even there's like no sometimes they'll do that right though sometimes they'll be like start to reach for the pocket and shift your body weight and the the other person's like no stop there's no slow lowering like he you can tell he is not going anywhere.

And she starts talking. And I thought, this is interesting. Because usually what happens on the bachelorette in the States is that there will be a slow lowering of a person. Right. And then either they will cut them off before they even get down or they will allow them to get down on one knee and then pull them back up both men it was they came and gave their spiel and then she would respond and it was instead of they come and give their spiel and then propose and then her response is either yes or no to the proposal, which is good. I talked about how this thing about saying I love you to both people

is just harder on the runner-up. This was a blessing because it still sucks to get shot down on TV. What sucks more is fucking proposing and getting told no. Yeah. That's rough yeah so she she says that she's she's felt so lucky to get to know him and that he's made her feel so cared about uh and she says that i've i've meant everything i've said to you, but I've developed a stronger relationship with someone else, and it feels wrong to say. That was funny. Mark, the producer, Mark.

Mark, the producer? I love Mark, the producer. Yeah, he's great. We're engaged now. Get the hell out of here. Mark will book your flight home for you. Everybody got such a bad edit this year. I wonder why.

Mark knows why. Mark's pulling the fucking string. Our date got cancelled again? Yeah. Yeah, it did. This fantasy suite is just an empty room and a cardboard box. What kind of fantasy suite is this? All the condom wrappers are empty.

This one has a little sign in it that says no. That's weird. Mark. For some reason, the sprinkler system came on, and now I can't get aroused. I can't get aroused. Weird. Mark. Mark, do you know anything about this?

No, man. Go get her. I'm in support of your love oh here comes our food damn it they dropped our food again every day they drop all the food mark you gotta get better i know this band is a middle school band it's a middle school band and they only have trumpets inflatable trumpets. Inflatable trumpets. Marvin, did you book this band? Yes.

This proposal beach is covered in alligators. Yes. Wonderful. Weave between the alligators and the boxes mckell gets shot down no no no proposal she and she says it feels wrong to say goodbye to you you deserve the best and you're going to find that person and i'm going to feel a little sad when you do um and he says you're always going to hold a piece of my heart and they hug and that's it that's the only thing he says yeah that was that was a weird thing for me like well you always have a piece of my heart like he's just gone yeah and he goes to the car um

which is not a limo it's like another classic cuba car which i thought was weird because it's not a limo. It's like another classic Cuba car. Which I thought was weird because it's not a huge car. And there's no partition between the driver. So this dude's having kind of a cry. Like one and a half feet away from the driver of the car. So he says that he's not disappointed. That he's just sad. And then he has that moment that's always so heartbreaking to watch where he's like he's basically like i'm the best man i know how to be uh i don't know how to be a

better person than this it's like i could understand maybe if she would have rejected the guy that i started out as but i'm so proud of the guy that i'm coming out of this as i am too mikhail you've grown so much yeah it's always so sad to see people take it so personally like like there's something wrong with me that that you know i need to fix and i don't know what it is well remember when mikhail went through the rose ceremony i think it was final three or final two and he was like i'm not gonna win this and he like he got really really bummed out about it he's like this always happens to me but like i'm never good enough to like i get what i want yeah and you watch that you're like this guy's being overdramatic he's got it in the bag

he didn't have it in the bag and man that's not gonna help that any is it yeah i think when he comes back for the after the final rose it seems like he i don't know that he's not taking it as personally because he doesn't ask her all the questions that we usually get on that show you know where it's like is there something i could have done and in fact no i even asked him if he would do anything differently and he says no i just he's such a he's a nice boy he's he's a very nice boy so sad for him especially when we watch the i started to justify it right because i i i did genuinely become uh a supporter of kevin i think i think they are cute together and they the this the relationship seems very real and believable and good and cute

um and so i did that and i i wasn't feeling so awful about mikhail not winning until we watched his best of clips uh in the in the after the final rose and it's like how did this dude not win there's so much good stuff that necklace he made for out of the pearl. The motorcycle. Yeah. The nipple. The nipple. So now it's Kevin's turn.

And Kevin walks out. And he kind of does more than Mikkel. He does kind of like a retelling of their progress. Talks a lot about the different dates they've had and specifically about how he realized he felt strongly for her when she was talking about her um her father and and was so sad and he was like you know i wanted to grab you and take your sadness away and i've never felt that way before um and i just every day i wake up and think how can i make that girl smile um and he's like you know after the first date i was hooked um and and since we've been together i've felt love from you in a way that i've never felt before. It's really articulate for Kevin. Then he stops, still standing up, no knee, no lowering of the body.

Yeah, I think that might just be the norm here. And Jasmine says that he's incredible and that they've always had this crazy electricity and that she likes the tough exterior he has because it makes her feel safe and she says i care about you so much and i love you and i think it's when she just says i love you just flat out that he realizes because he gets this look of relief and then they do a lot of kissing uh and then he does propose um and she says yes and then there's a whole montage of their relationship it's very nice that we get to watch it's so it was they had a really cute moment right at the end or like right after they proposed and like just walking down this beach and she's like

hey say something nice about me right now and he's like you're the girl of my dreams which is like yeah like it was so cute like i genuinely i genuinely came around to to this and i feel like um yeah like i don't i'm not in love with kevin you know i don't feel like that's fucking good oh well i'm just saying i don't feel like i was really invested in kevin finding love but i you know i'm happy that jasmine's happy yeah you know and i think she is i think they've found it i hope so together i hope so too are we gonna get an update because usually we rely on the bloids i know right how are we gonna hear anything speaking of what the fuck's up with Ben and Lauren? Yeah, I don't know.

I can't tell. That could just be the show. That could just be their freeform show. Or maybe it's just a little bit of drama. But people probably said this about Nick and Jessica, too. And that shit broke bad. Really. Are you talking about Jessica Simpson? Yeah.

They had this show, and on the show it would be like, they're fighting. I couldn't figure out how we were making that leap. On the show it would be like, they're fighting. It would be like, that's just the show. No, dog. They fucking broke up. There's been some rumors online that the wedding is off. But I haven't seen it substantiated anywhere.

So then it's time. We've been watching a lot of Terrace House lately. And that show has a panel of, I think, six people on it that just comment on the drama, the tasty drama that happens on that show. It makes me think, like, what if we had four other hosts on Rose Buddies? That would just be like, did you see the way that he looked at her? Delicious. You know? Well, then we'd have to break in real time, though.

We could have, like, oh, there's probably that technology. We could do that. We could get, like, a really loud, kind of pervy guy. We could get a 14-year-old boy. 14-year-old boy prince. 14-year-old boy who wears soft wool sweaters. Yeah? You're digging this idea.

No, not at all. all okay so after the final rose with noah and they bring mckell out and we get a journey recap of mckell and jasmine together and yeah this is where he says like i mentioned that he wouldn't do anything different uh and that it's you know hard to watch back because he's still in love with her and then jasmine comes out and jasmine's really upset she's like real teary upset there's a really fun moment well fun uh where she's like tearing up and uh mikhail like instinctively reaches to his breast pocket and pulls out a handkerchief and as soon as he does it half the audience is just like oh but it's like too nice it's really nice she won't take it he's like somebody just gave it to me like please take it and then uh noah reaches into his pocket and gets a handkerchief he's like here

she'll take my bad my cheap one or something like that yeah um and um mikhail launches into this really nice speech about how, you know, watching the show back and watching her with everyone else, you know, made me love you more. You put yourself out there so much. And I, and I am really am happy for you. And I mean that. And Jasmine just talks about how hard it's been and how much she cares about him. Jasmine just talks about how hard it's been and how much she cares about him. And so there was a thing she said where she said,

I, it's hard being deeply in love with someone like Kevin, but also still to this day have feelings for another person. And the wild thing she said was, if you, if you really are in love with two people then that's i think that's just how it's how it's gotta be which i didn't i didn't take as like throwing shade at uh at ben or jojo but i think there is something to be said for fessing up to the fact that like, yeah, like I still really, uh,

have feelings for this other person, even though I'm engaged to another person, which is not something you really get out of people in the, after the final rose, usually they couch it a little bit more like, you know, I just hope they find someone that makes them happy. Not like I still have feelings for them and I'm engaged with somebody else.

And that's kind of whack. Like on one hand, they're saying it's been a long time. You know, like, it's been months and months that we've had to stay in silence. But on the other hand, she's saying, like, but I still, even to this day. Still have feelings for this guy who's not my fiancé, which is such a far cry from, you know, I will, I'll always, I'll always cherish the memories that, no'll you know i'll always think so highly no like i've got feelings for this dude and it's not the guy i'm gonna marry yeah noah actually

asked her this question that should have been like a softball he's like have you had what if moments and she says yeah well kevin and i you know had conflicts on the show and we've continued to have conflicts since then and this cuts to there's one woman in the audience that had like this black choker on and these these big glasses they cut back to her like every time they need a reaction shot from anybody because she would have such a like physical reaction to everything that was said. So it gets to the point where she's like, she seems so distressed that Mikkel starts comforting her and saying, like, well, the goal is to be happy, you know, and, and, you know, I think we need to step back and take a deep breath. And, and, you you know if and if you're if you're happy you know then that was that was the point and and you know and we just needed to take some time

um and and recognize that that eventually we'll be happy it was really weird it was uh if you're not happy then all of this was for nothing it was like okay whoa yeah shit i mean you got to travel the world and hang hang out with some some folks and go on cool cool trips that was something so then mikhail leaves no tease about like whether or not he's the next bachelor i don't know what the schedule is or if he's quote ready to find ready to find love. Yeah. None of those, like, little teasers. Because we didn't find out that Nick was going to be the next Bachelor until the end of Bachelor in Paradise. That's true. So there was, like, a...

We looked it up. Bachelor in Paradise ran from, like, August 6th to September 7th. They got in and fucking out with that. Well, remember, because it was two episodes a week. But we were trying to... First of all, I can't believe you've been watching this show since September. That seems crazy to me. And also that just Bip was just like, hey, what's up?

We're Bip. We're trash. And bye. So now we're back to just Jasmine on the couch. And she's talking about how her relationship with Kevin has grown. And it's been hard and it's been a longer time than she thinks people realizes uh and then they allow jasmine to take questions yeah they did like four questions for a quick q a segment and guys these were some fucking lightweight if you're gonna get

in the business of bachelor journalism you kind of know how to ask the hard questions i think one of the questions might have come from a rose buddy i think so too actually because i recognize the one somebody asked a question of um who has the best hair yeah who has your most favorite and least favorite hair but that's actually that was the best question of the bunch because the answer was hysterical. Yeah, so she actually said that she liked Scott's hair. Don't know who that is. You're making that personal. I don't remember. Or was it Seth?

Scott. She said Scott. But she said she actually has always disliked Kevin's hair, and she was the one that talked him into that haircut. I'm butting her because they asked us to send in a question, and so we did, and it didn't get asked. But I'm looking back, and that question was like, what parts of this show were fake bullshit?

Looking back, it is the most moody teenager. What parts of this show were you just fucking faking it? Fucking liars. No, so it was Drew Davidson who started therosereckoner.com, which is our fantasy Bachelor Bachelor. Oh, I thought we came up with the questions. Now I feel bad for casting shit on Drew, but it was a question that, like, thinking about it, it gets deep, dog. The question was, like, was there anything that aired that you felt like, you know, wasn't really representative of how it happened? Yeah, was there somebody who got, like, a bad edit or somebody that got, like, a good edit?

Because that's a thing, right? But, like, like you know they ain't gonna talk about that on the show well it was it was jasmine that was supposed to answer it i know they're not gonna ask that of any they're not gonna maybe you did ask it and it just didn't show up in the edit but like i don't what parts of the show were different from the way that the people who make the show want us to see it yeah i guess that's weird i just think that's i think there was there's a way to ask that question without making anybody admit well i mean it's a thing that they kind of stand up against right like you say you got a bad edit but yeah you said everything you said so like i feel like i don't know i feel like that's a thing that

they don't ever want to acknowledge because it breaks the spell a little bit uh and so then kevin comes out looking good good haircut like really good the hair looks so much better it looks so much better like he's got the thing was with that that long hair and that jawline i think it's easy to make caveman goofs but when you cut the hair now he just has slick hair and a nice jawline. It's like, oh, fuck. He's a handsome guy. He's a handsome boy. So he talks about how he's just excited to go grocery shopping or take her out to dinner or on a date.

A lot of ahs on that. And then they talk to the moms. The moms are both there i completely forgot about the fact that these moms neither of them really approved of this yeah so they don't really talk to jasmine's mom they just kind of gesture to jasmine's mom but they do talk to kevin's mom jill because as we remember jill had a very hard time with jasmine uh and she says yeah i just i had a really huge challenge with the whole show, and I was so guarded, but

I've really grown to love Jasmine. And then they ask Jill and her husband if they have any advice for the new couple, and it's so uncomfortable. They kind of stumble around. She talks a lot, so I listen, and I listen.

And I guess the important thing is to listen and be truthful. Can you not fight now? Please? The times for fighting is over. We all need to decompress. And then there's this moment. So the show is wrapping up. And I guess because they have no intention of revealing kind of what's going to happen next in the franchise Noah says well there's been a lot of toasts on this show

so I'm just going to go ahead and do a last toast and so everybody gets a little glass of champagne maybe that's something they do on Canadian Bachelor which they have done a couple times now I liked it it's a nice way to establish a nice mood on the way out

oh we just wish you the best and a toast to Kevin and Jasmine. I feel like Noah did a good job in this after. He was a good host. Let's wrap up our experience with Bachelorette Canada. Things we liked. I feel like Noah, they didn't give him a lot of stuff to do, but when he did have stuff to do, he was a good host. That's a fucking tough act to follow, man. favorite bachelorette for me yeah edging out just barely edging out emily who

was my favorite before this yeah i think jasmine is more perceptive like she's more well spoken than emily emily was great because she was passionate and knew exactly what she wanted but jasmine was better at kind of summarizing and reading the guys. And what's impressive about her is she stayed that way. I feel like when Caitlin was Bachelorette, I was such

a huge Caitlin fan when she was on Bachelor because she was really funny and had a lot of the same sort of virtues that Jasmine had. But then when she was bachelorette like she wasn't it was it was kind of a boring season like i don't think she was as colorful as she was when she was a contestant on the show because i feel like a lot of people sort of collapse under the weight of what is expected of you like you're expected to be this like

weight of what is expected of you like you're expected to be this like royal figure in a way um and jasmine just was so real the whole time i feel like she didn't like there was no curve of as the show continued to go on she got like more and more like serious and more like a another host of the show and not like a person who's like invested in it. Yeah. No, I know what you mean. The boys. Good fucking batch of boys. Couple stinkers in there,

but like nothing nearly as bad as we've seen. No, mostly really good boys. Yeah. Some travel. Not really as much as I think I would have liked. Yeah. The dates were pretty good. Dates were pretty good. That's just the tone of it like

it was a little bit classier you know what i mean like it was just a i and that's a tough thing to like label yeah not a lot of people getting like sloppy drunk um no like big physical fights uh no exes no like rumors about ex-girlfriends. The classic, I wish there was a better, I can't think of a better adjective for it. But there's something to be said for it, and this is going to sound like the most, like, up my butt thing ever. But, like, to continue the comparisons to the only show I care about right now, which is Terrace House. uh, comparisons to the only show I care about right now, which is Terrace House.

Like it's weird watching a show that is based on essentially based on an American reality show. Uh, but it follows sort of the norms of a different, uh, country. Uh, and how depressing that is.

Cause man, the things I don't like about the bachelor are just like how just like fucking stupid and rowdy it gets sometimes and sometimes that's good sometimes that can be fun but like yeah the thing the thing that i think we've started to notice on american bachelor bachelorette is there are people that are picked not because there is any hope of compatibility. Yes, yes. They are picked because they are going to bring explosions. Like, they may as well, like, in their first behind-the-scenes interview, just be like, Hey, I'm Cameron, and I'm gonna be a real fucking shit show.

Yeah. Yeah, like, Hi, my name's Wesley. I have no interest in finding love. I'm here because I have an album coming out on August 3rd. My name's Gerald. I came here to get fucked up and whip my dick all around uh people they're gonna keep me around for the first episode uh and i'm gonna get a rose at the end of that first episode which is gonna be crazy and then they're gonna get a lot of screen time out of me in the second episode but then i'll be

going home uh thanks for watching everybody i'm to be a real shitty distraction for a while. Yeah. I'm Prebus, and no relation. And I'm just going to get out there, and I'm going to be pretty racist, and I'm going to cuss everybody out, and you're not going to get to know anybody else because the whole show is going to be about old Prebus for a bit,

and you're going to get pretty frustrated with old prebis by by the time i go home in episode six which is crazy right my name is grandpa um i have a tragedy that i think will bring a lot of interest to the show um and i'm going to talk about that tragedy pretty much every episode uh and then i'll go home my name is trash bag and i really only just came here to try to fight grandpa at some point and they're gonna build that for a while and you're gonna be like i don't care about this this came out of nowhere and it's full it. I want to know more about Sweet Mike. I know, dude. I love Sweet Mike, too. We all do.

I'd love to get to know more about him, but I am going to fight Grandpa at some point. We are going to need to focus on this for a long time. A good eight episodes. Thanks for... That was a good... That was that good rose buddies analysis but it's true and there was less of all of that there was except for the fighting thing

that was i feel like that's gotta be in there now but like there's less of all of that in bachelorette canada which was refreshing like i gave the ending shit because it you know the ending if you want to call it that like it's kind of similar to how it's ended and it makes me makes me worried that it's gonna do that every time now um but the rest of that shit this show is so light on and you don't need contrived drama you don't need a bunch of bullshit this is a show about people trying to fall in love with each other the show about somebody dating a hundred thousand people at the same time. That's crazy. Focus on that.

That's crazy. That's what I felt good about us, because I feel like we say a lot, we don't need that drama. But I was always a little worried that we did, you know, that we thought we didn't need it, but we actually did. And it turns out, after watching Bachelor at Canada but we actually did and it turns out after watching bachelorette canada we actually don't because this show as short as it was and there's a few episodes shorter than an american bachelor bachelorette there were more just fucking nice moments and we made fun of a lot of them but

like thomas's date with her in the cabin like singing a little song that he wrote for her it made my spine want to die but like she was so she liked it so much it was so sweet and like singing a little song that he wrote for her it made my spine want to die but like she was so she liked it so much it was so sweet and like there were so many sweet moments in this show and it's because it didn't focus on like oh fuck our villain got sent home we need a new villain right now there was one villain he wasn't very good at it he was gone that was it done yeah that's how like this show in a lot of ways like got back to basics as silly as that sounds but like the basics are fucking good and i'm worried i'm worried that the american version because it's growing and the audience is growing so much they're not going to go back to basics because they're going to look at what's been going on

the most recent season speaking of the american version yeah did you see that nick is going to have 30 yes women 30 fucking women which is always the number that i bring up to be like hyperbolic and bring up how there's a lot of people in the 30 30 that's got to be that's like it has to be the record i feel like with chris souls maybe it was like he got a lot in there 25 or something 30 so much that first that first episode is just gonna be the women like everybody's here right no okay now everybody's what uh sarah l sarah m sarah p and sarah q you're all needed on set let's let's put let's put a bet down right now and let's get a let's get a facebook thread started in the Rose Buddies group of what you think the duplicated name will be this year. Ooh, I like that.

For me, I'm going to say... Wait, let's think about the time period. So it'll be... These women will probably... I mean, there's some speculation that they'll be older because Nick is older, but I bet a lot of them will be in their mid-20s. So think about women that are a few years younger than you. What was a popular name? I mean,

I feel like... The people that just finished college, what are their names? I feel like... I'm trying to think of women that are younger than me that I knew multiple names of. A lot of Katie's. Yeah.

A lot of, um... I mean, a lot of Sarah's. Like, that name never really goes out of style. Yeah. But we've had that. Well, it's not popular anymore. I feel like the babies of today are not named Sarah. Um, yeah.

I don't know. I'll say Katie. I feel like there hasn't been, like, a season with, of a bunch of katies on it yeah um you got a you got a prediction no i mean megan were there megan's then i thought megan was more an 80s name no no i mean people in their mid-20s are still born in the 80s well i guess late 80s holy shit you're right no god 90s yeah okay um oh then a lot of like bart you know i know i was trying to think of when friends came on and whether or not there'd be a bunch of like phoebes and rachels a lot of uh devon saw just like squish it together into one really fast name devon saw hi i i'm devin sawa k i'm devin sawa w

it's gonna be buck wild so let me fold my legs because i'm dying i have to sit in like a corner of my rachel can attest to this if you can help me describe how i sit because right now our dual office setup our dual recording setup is you're on the other side of the room you're sitting in my very comfy expensive office chair and you're loving it and you got a stand mic i've got a desk mic that i have to kind of hunch over to get up on because i'm sitting on one of our dining room chairs and also i'm kind of folded up between the edge of the desk and this uh shelf full of games that i fucking knocked over at the beginning of this the only reason we have to do that is because otherwise one of our mics will pick up the other one it's so rough it's also the smallest room in our house we have one month

i think the next episode well here's the thing we kind of had to release these episodes on thursdays except this one which i'm gonna edit right now and get up on wednesday uh because that's what the canadian bachelorette demanded i don't know what schedule we're gonna be on now maybe we should get back on the regular schedule of tuesdays um but we have a month and for some of that we're gonna have a baby and probably maybe we'll miss an episode or yeah we'll probably miss a week but i think we are gonna speak more generally um basically we're gonna talk about things that don't require me to take notes i think at this point i think we could do a Terrace House episode without having to take notes, without having to do any of that. And we just like talk about the show, maybe a short one.

Like there'll probably be some pretty short episodes here and there as well. We're kind of jazzing it and we're going to keep things coming because that's important. And you guys are very important to us. But it may get a little bit touch and go but i do i want to talk about terrace house because like no joke it's it's it is a it is a solace to me it is a source of we're saying t-e-r-r-a-c-e terrace house boys and girls in the city. We mentioned it. It's on Netflix. We mentioned it last week. It's on Netflix. Give it a shot. It's so wonderful. It is such a wonderful, wonderful show.

I want to thank people for gifts. Yeah. So recently, friend of the show, Erica Huff, sent us some candles that she had made that were... Some votives. ...Bim bam themed we should light those up in the bath and just like let them float you know i don't think they're floating candles we'll have to see won't we um erica has an etsy store called wick habit is these candles are so good they smell incredible uh and then we got another gift from somebody named Maria. And she works at a baby store. And it was a series of baby products.

One of which was the nose Frida. Which Griffin has tweeted about. Yeah, I went on this tweet chain about the nose frida which is a fucking silly straw you plug in your baby's snoot and then suck the snot out of them sorry everybody you need to confront this reality with me we have heard from multiple parents that the little old-fashioned bulb is not effective yeah and that the best the best tool is the straw in the nose so i tweeted that maria was like check your p.o box she also gave us uh some really cute like little hand and feet puppet things that you

put on the baby really cute and uh this little crinkly piece of baby paper um thank you very much maria thank you to everybody who sent us stuff again like our nursery is full of like these great sweet gifts that people have i have literally not had to purchase a onesie i know we have received so many uh thank you all very much again we're about to enter a sort of weird period for the show maybe we we will keep things going we promise we will keep you updated of what the schedule is like so watch that facebook group and twitter um and thank you all very much. Thank you to the cast of The Bachelorette Canada who's followed us.

That has been a new experience for us. And if we were hard on the show, and I hope you took it in good spirits. Because I still loved it. It was still one of my favorite seasons of this show I've ever watched. Because it was still one of my favorite seasons of this show i've ever watched because it was like it was nice i'm into nice programming now like it's important like things are kind of rough right and i i find myself now and i think all year i have gravitated towards like games and movies and music and tv that has been, like, nice and positive. Yeah, we want to be reminded of what, like, makes things good.

Yeah, and this show, even though it's in, like, a franchise that, like, we sometimes love to hate, this was such a good season of that. And so if you were one of our listeners who was involved, and I realize I'm speaking to, like, 11 people right now, like, you guys made a good, you that. And so if you were one of our listeners who was involved, and I realize I'm speaking to like 11 people right now, like you guys made a good, you guys made a really good thing. So, well, well done. I'm going to miss this show, babe.

I know, I'm going to miss our Canadian friends. I hope they stick around. We try and watch things that are publicly accessible, but I have a feeling once the American Bachelor Bachelorette starts up, it might be tricky. We got some tweets from people who are like, I'm ride or die. I'm with it. Yeah.

Hopefully they'll stick with us. Thank you all again. We will talk to you next week with something. Terrace House. Just go and start watching Terrace House. And until then, I'm Griffin McElroy. I'm Rachel McElroy. When you're ready.

Stay with us on this journey of joy. Spoiler alert. She is up with Soulja Boy.