Wonderful! - Roze Buddiez: Flavor of Love

Episode Date: March 22, 2016

We're between seasons of The Bachelor and Bachelorette, which is terrible, because it has led us to this: A series of episodes in which we explore shows that are not The Bachelor and Bachelorette. We're starting things off with Flavor of Love, which is an absolute dumpster fire. MaxFunDrive ends on March 29, 2024! Support our show now by becoming a member at maximumfun.org/join.

Maybe you should go and do some contemplating. Right reasons, right reasons, being a good girl for all the right reasons. Right reasons, right reasons, being a good girl for all the right reasons. I'm the best of it, and I'm rapping to your poolside. Here to find true love. Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy, and welcome to Flavor Country, your number one destination for the podcast

in which we talk about everybody's new hit, chart top and relevant dating television show, Flavor of Love, season 19. It's season 19 of Flavor of Love. And boy, things have gang. Rachel and I just had a really rough 53 or so minutes together. This is Rose Buddies. This is a podcast where we typically talk about the Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise franchise. I'll talk about Bachelor Pad 2 if you have any pressing questions about what was essentially the greatest television show ever. Hit me up, HMU.

what was essentially the greatest television show ever. Hit me up, HMU. But otherwise, we're in an off-season break until May 21st, 23rd, 25th, something like that. 23rd. Yeah, The Bachelor just ended last week. Heart-stopping finale. Yes. And so now we are in the off-season. Up shit creek without a boat.

We're just in it. We're just like full-blown Shawshank covered in human, season up shit creek without a boat we're just in it we're just like full-blown shawshank covered in human like prisoner shit we're we're men and women of the people and so if we're gonna watch a show in the off season we want to watch a show that is publicly accessible so accessible accessible in the mechanical sense and that you can get on hulu and watch it i would not say it's it's it's ethically accessible i would not say it is intellectually accessible i wouldn't say it is morally accessible we watch flavor of love season one episode one titled 15 beds and a bucket of puke the only good thing that happened this episode was the title and i don't know if if if

the rest of the series follows the bold titling conventions. You know how Grey's Anatomy, every episode is named after a song title? How the fuck do I know that and you don't know that? I never noticed that. I'm hoping each one is this poetic and poignant and beautiful and, surprisingly, accurate. Flavor of Love is about William Jonathan Drayton Jr. Drayton's a sick-ass name. We were talking about that.

That's a cool name. Not as cool as Flavor Flav. Yes. But he, so Flavor Flav was on a series of VH1 reality shows and it started with The Surreal Life season three, I believe, uh, in which he met Brigitte Nielsen, uh, who, who was, Brigitte Nielsen was an actress. She was, was she married to Arnold? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Uh, but they had a show, a spinoff of that called Strange Love. Didn't work out between the two of them. We find out in episode one, season one of Flavor of Love, that she's married. Don't know if that was always going on, if they were, like, doing a little polyamory situation. But now he's looking for something more serious. But he's not looking for a woman named Sirius, who is one of the women named in the show. Where the fuck do you start with a Flavor of Love? I watched a lot of this show coming up, and I did not enjoy it the second time around.

I had never seen it before, so my touchstone continued to be, how is it similar and different from The Bachelor? And there are... There's a lot. There's a lot of similarities. First, this show made me appreciate... Because, again, I can't stress this enough i definitely watch this show and i watched it's it's many mutant spinoffs that we will be where where were you at in your life when you're watching this what was this probably 2007 so i was

like uh i was in college i was like a sophomore probably in college and yeah it made me like sort of i feel um i watch some television that i don't feel especially great about not very often like i'm very like i don't i don't feel bad about watching the bachelor except sometimes i do like when we watch the podcast i actually got a little uncomfortable about like i'm really flying my flag for the bachelor right now yeah and there's definitely some problems with it. It is definitely at times a problematic show. And how do I go about appreciating it despite its many flaws?

This experience has made me be like The Bachelor is like it is the most important artistic work of our time. The way that they handle things is just like garbage, yes, but also just the production on it is like, it was like VH1 was putting this thing together

for like a high school film class project. Well, let's talk similarities. Okay. So Flavor of Love takes place at a mansion. Potentially Bachelor Mansion. We were trying to diagnose that. No, it's not Bachelor Mansion. Flavor of Life says it's his mansion.

Maybe? I don't know. No. no there's a mansion there's a pool uh there is 20 women uh there is a limo that flavor flave arrives in at which point he says that he is quote the black chiller he does make sure hey do you all know that show the bachelor yeah well i'm the black chiller he does make sure hey do you all know that show the bachelor yeah well i'm the black chiller you don't need to say the first part because we know what the word bachelor is um uh they're that limo shot by the way was uh filmed from one car hanging out the window of a limo as they sped down the highway they had to subtitle it because the audio was so bad right but and more importantly that's one stark difference between the bachelor and this show is that we're just talking similarities this show doesn't care if you die in a vehicular accident uh whereas the bachelor probably would not allow you to do that kind of camera work um there is a cocktail party but flavor flame calls

it a mixer love that like that i would actually like to see that adopted. And then there is an elimination ceremony except instead of roses, he gives out big clocks with their face on it. Which you, I guess, maybe, because when they revealed that, you said, oh, he actually does give out clocks, which made me think that you had the idea in your head of wouldn't it be funny if he gave out clocks

and then it came true. Well, I think somebody in the Rose Buddies group referenced that and I thought maybe it was a clever joke they had made as an individual. Chuck D says Flavor Flavor is proficient in 15 instruments, and he's self-taught in all of his instruments. I didn't know.

It's interesting. I'm sorry. We have Wikipedia open here, because we had to do some research into Flavor Flavor, because I don't know that much about him, except that he invented the role of hype man. He didn't invent it, but he made it a thing. Yeah. like invented the role of hype man he didn't invent it but he like made it a thing yeah he is from the hip-hop group public enemy which i needed a little refresher on surprised me that you needed that well because i'm such a hip-hopper more than me yeah and i know that well that's true um okay so this fucking this fucking show this fucking garbage show this fucking trash show

exploits every and maybe it develops like this is the first episode of the first season but i'm not watching anymore no nor i okay there's one more similarity between this show and the bachelor and that is there is a a host uh who is named big rick who is flavor flave's body man and he kind of guides the show, kind of lets Flavor Flav know when it's time for the elimination ceremony. And kind of gathers the women, much the way that Chris Harrison does. But he also very begrudgingly is there. He seems like he definitely doesn't want to be there. He is a supplicant to Flavor Flav, like I think everybody is because he's a very excitable man

but he very much reminds me of Craig Robinson's character in Knocked Up. I made this comparison when we were watching I couldn't remember Craig Robinson's name but Craig Robinson was the bouncer in Knocked Up who was like I don't want to be here I don't want to be here we can't have a bunch of old pregnant women

running around here that would be crazy this man was just like it seems like the decisions he has made has led him to this point. Maybe he's not entirely psyched about it. He's not entirely against it. Have you looked up Big Rick? I want to know what his story is. I just typed in Big Rick. I mean, none of these are the man.

Is this him? No. Why don't you do some more keywords in there besides just big rick uh flavor flavor uh big rick is also his bodyguard and chauffeur i don't know reality shack it's an interview with him well yeah that is the craziest thing they met in 2004 at the hard rock hotel and casino in las vegas at the shoot for strange love so this must have been like 2005 then then i was fucking in high school dude that's crazy okay uh yeah big rick maybe okay maybe this partnership was a bit uh more trusting and loving than i originally thought it was yeah uh so yes flavor slave has 25 women he's invited 25 women here um here here is something that I am hesitant to confess about Flavor of Love.

It's the most exploitative show maybe I've ever seen of literally every person involved with the production. Yes. Um, I mean, that was fucking, the surreal life too is like, there were no people on surreal life who were doing good. You know what I mean? There were a lot of, everybody on surreal life was like well comparatively at one time most of the people on that show were doing well and then they are on the show because

they are not but he was not doing well i was i was reading up on his wikipedia page like music career was done he was like he was scalping baseball tickets like after public enemy like things were not going well and then he met the guys for flavor of love and they set him up He was scalping baseball tickets after Public Enemy. Things were not going well, and then he met the guys for Flavor of Love, and they set him up. And that sort of was his renaissance a bit. So yes, it's inherently exploded. I should point out, by the way, not drinking a Super Water Zero. Ran out of stock.

Didn't have time to go get some today. I thought about doing it. I think I might save that for Bachelor Watches proper because this didn't, I wouldn't say this earned it. And I feel like we're drinking white wine right now, which is a literal potion that I needed to get through the hard times. Very exploitive show. The fucking craft services people probably left that shoot feeling like they were taken advantage of. Like it was rough stuff, toe to tip, very, very bad. What I like about it, though, is the nickname stuff. Okay, me let me set the scene here um so griffin and i are watching it and we start to meet the women and unlike the bachelor there is no first name and age and job title when the women

come up and at that point i turn to griffin and i say do we not get to learn the women's name and i laughed in her face yes because i knew it was coming up so so a few of the women we meet before we learn their names okay so we meet a woman with a writing crop a woman that says flavor flavor reminds her of her dad because her dad also has gold teeth okay you can't just say a woman with a riding crop, because you can't mention the prop without mentioning, like, do you remember the day we met? You remember we met at South by Southwest in, like, 2011 or whatever at some show? And if you had walked up to me and had a riding crop that you used to smack your own ass

and say, I'm so weird, it probably wouldn't have, like, popped off between us the way that it did. I'm so weird. It probably wouldn't have like popped off between us the way that it did. Instead, you just held the writing crop and like it was all just sort of. And it was South by Southwest, so it was sponsored by Tito's Vodka. It was a Tito's Vodka writing crop. I had two and I gave Griffin one. What were the sunglasses for?

It wasn't Tito's. It was like some fruit punch. It was like spiked fruit punch. Mike's Hard Lemonade. It was like Mike's Hard. Yeah, it yeah it was gross i mean the drink was gross the sentiment was very very sweet you were squinting and so i gave you it's true it's very nice very sweet um we just met i had no reason to give you those sunglasses and then you kept spanking me over and over and over and over and over again it was like i'm hot and sweaty and and then there was a woman who said that she tried to explain to her parents who were very upset she was on the show, that Flavor Flav was no longer an addict.

Yes. Although he may or may not be taking care of his kids. Okay. Kind of a weird thing to be foggy on when getting into a romantic. Yeah. Are people getting that sound effect? It was a dark and stormy night. They're probably not picking up.

It was a dark and stormy night, rachel and griffin watch flavor of love um okay so big rick comes in and says ladies it's time to get ready to take this to the next level and then six women just leave like nope flavor of flavor um he says that he is not likely to remember names, and so that he has decided to give nicknames, and he writes them on names tags. Names tags. And he sticks them to their chests very generously. By which you mean he grabs their breasts. Griffin, are you going to read out the nicknames?

I actually took away your notes, because you took these notes. You wrote down all the names. Oh, are you going to read out the nicknames? I actually took away your notes because you took these notes. You wrote down all the names. Oh, you want me to remember them? Well, that would be amazing. I'm going to just start listing them off, and I want you to tell me which ones are real and which ones are fake. Okay. I mean, some of them are obviously real, like oyster. Yeah, oyster is real.

Apples. Real. Dreams. Not real. Oh, my God, you remembered. Uh- real. Apples. Real. Dreams. Not real. Oh my god, you remembered. Uh-huh. Smiley. Real.

Sweetie. Real. Cherry. Real. It's hard to come up with the fake ones. When you pause, I know that they're gonna be fake. Uh, uh, rain. Real.

Dimples. Real. Hoops. Real. I can't,. Hoops? Real. I can't, I can't, nothing I can come up with is gonna be fucking funnier than, okay, let's, I don't want to gloss over this because the nicknames are amazing. They are amazing slash degrading. And very few concepts earn both of those simultaneously for me, but it's, it's degrading.

You're taking a woman's fucking name away and you're calling her Cherry or Hoops or Rain or whatever. Um, as the viewer are you not going to go through all of them as the viewer i appreciate it very much we should go through all of them you just burn them down okay so i'm just going to start from the beginning and i'm going to rank them one through ten okay oyster ten amazing you called a woman oyster apples is it a z or an yes i think that's just an s so i gotta call you on this one flame yo flame i gotta put you on blast for this one because if you're gonna pluralize all these names and fruits you gotta stick to a convention dog it can't be s on some of them and z on the rest zero smiley that's a four. That's all right.

Sweetie. Four. Cherry. Not cherries? Like, do you know what I mean? Like, he's playing fucking Calvin Ball with it. Bubbles with a Z. Very much like that.

Yes. Eight. Peaches. S or Z? S. C. Five. I don't. I can't.

Georgia. Two. Terrible. Pumpkin. s or z s c5 i don't i can't georgia two terrible pumpkin spell that for me again see i wrote it down i think how it was actually or well p-u-m-k-i-n is that right no pumpkin has a p in it i know but is that how he spelled it yeah okay all right uh picasso You didn't let me rate pumpkin. It's very good. Okay. Picasso, who had one of her own pieces of art on a t shirt she was wearing, and eagerly told Flava Flav she was an artist. And so then he decided to call her Picasso. she also spoiler alert got sent home this episode which is weird because when i watched it i used my like latent bachelor knowledge to be like that's the kind of woman that would definitely get sent home day one on the bachelor that i would think is like quirky and unique but like maybe a little too much um going on uh rain i have no feelings about that isn Isn't that weird? That is weird. Dimples with a Z? 100% out of 10. Hoops with a Z?

I mean, you can't argue with hoops with a Z. Sirius? I like that one because it's so different from all the other ones. Like S-E-R-I-O-U-S, not like Sirius Black from... How do you know who that is? I read Harry Potter. You did not read all the Harry Potter books. Not all of them, but most of them.

Sirius was the one who is a model and had a very heavily photoshopped picture of herself. You guys, this wasn't like, you know, women like adding an artificial thigh gap. This was full-blown Slenderman, full-blown wacky inflatable tube man level of like, that's not possible. That's not possible. The next woman was Shells with a Z. Had some trouble.

Yeah, let me tell you her origin story. So most of the women get up there and they start chatting, and he picks a name kind of based off of things that they say well she stood up there i think treating the naming ceremony with a lot of like solemn respect and so she just stood there silently and he spent i don't know like a full minute trying to come up with the name at which point she said i've been scuba diving did she say i like scuba diving or i've been scuba diving. Did she say, I like scuba diving, or I've been scuba diving? I don't know. Because if it's what you said, that's amazing.

I saw a horse once. Horse! You're a horsey. And then there are five more women who we did not see their naming ceremony, but we saw them when there was a very carefully mapped out, with names, picture. when there was a very carefully mapped out with names picture. Like you would see on like some sort of exhibit where a bunch of butterflies are pinned to a cork board or something. Yeah, the final five.

Kind of a grotesque way to refer to these women, but I just watched Flavor of Love, so I guess I'm in that head space. The final five are Miss Latin, Smokey, york hottie and goldie uh six four eight two two kind of a weak finish new york is interesting because it's like shells are serious i don't remember your ratings on this serious is amazing serious is like a nine easily shells i mean we all know his heart wasn't in it, so I'm gonna give him a pass on that one. New York's amazing. Is she from New York?

I think so. I gotta Google that, because if she's not what the fuck's up? But like okay, pumpkin I get. That's a term of endearment. Peaches kind of gross. If you like look at a woman's body part and be like, mmm, peaches. A woman came up and was like, I'm from Georgia, but you already use peaches.

He's like, I'm going to call you Georgia. That's dope. I'm very much into that naming convention. Apples. Let's talk about apples. How did that happen? I think she was wearing red, as I recall. And he was just like, but that's, like, that's, like, a weird cognitive, like, association.

Are you trying to, like, psychoanalyze what you're saying right now? But that's like a weird cognitive association. Are you trying to psychoanalyze what you gave right now? No, I could write a whole thesis on this shit. Because there's a reason for every name that he gave. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have had the shells incident. I feel like the shells incident was like, if we didn't have that, then we could think he just picked these names at random. But it obviously showed that there was some sort of thought process that went into each of these names. You know, what was weird is the very first woman to go was Oyster.

And he said something about how oysters are known to help a man's sex drive. And then he called her Oyster. And then nobody else got that kind of elaborate backstory no um i think maybe he started out a little ambitious uh new york tiffany pillard is from utica new york all right seems right um yeah uh so he takes their names away and gives them new names yeah I made a goof we talked about Flavor of Love on Mbembe once and I said it was like spirited away

I don't know if you remember this one but when she goes to the spirit kingdom she gets her name taken away so she can work in the bathhouse and when she leaves she's able to get her name back and that's exactly literally how it works on flavor of love and also how slavery worked also yes so also yes i mean i could reference roots here but i feel like spirited away is more you know light-hearted and sort of in step with the tone of the podcast okay

it is also yeah if you want to unpack that i yes. I mean, I think it's worth mentioning. So also like The Bachelor, there are swimsuits, there are a pool. There is a pool. Yes. We can call some of the stuff that women were wearing were swimsuits, and I don't want to judge. I'm not coming from a slut-shamey place. I'm coming from a taxidermical, not taxidermical, taxonomical, from a taxonomy standpoint.

We could not place, I mean, there was a lot of, like, lingerie being swum in. But that's not. Yeah, I don't think those were swimsuits. Again, like, chase your bliss, stand in truth. Like, whatever, no judgment, no tea, no shade, no pink lemonade. But, like, there was some, like, see-through bras and panties being worn it's like what's if that's a swimsuit what is the like what's the like what what anyway um do you want to talk about the billboard article um about the trump support i guess oh let's get to it at the end okay uh so at this point there are more similarities to The Bachelor in that the women kind of cluster in groups.

Yes, the mixer segment was the most, like, Bachelor-ass thing that happened the whole time. Because there's a lot of stealing. There's a lot of territorial play. There was a lot, like, half of the women there were, like, down to, like, do the damn thing. And the other half, like, had no idea how to do the damn thing so there was this one woman i want to say smiley whatever uh who like locked his ass down and like would not let him go and women would come up and be like i think it's my time to talk and she would say no it's not get out of here we're talking and the women would just leave and i

feel like that happens in bachelor but but unlike The Bachelor, at least on the first night, there was a lot of references to Flavor Flav's virility. Like a lot. Yeah. One woman brought it up. Like, do you have to take Viagra to get your old weird dick going? Yeah. And he said, no, but I do have a big cock. And everybody's like, what?

And he was like, there's a rooster statue that a producer just like ran up very quickly and put on the table probably. Do you not remember that? I remember him saying it. I don't remember seeing any kind of visual gag. There was a big rooster that he pointed to. Oh. Or else VH1 probably wouldn't allow him to say, I have a big cock. No, I missed that.

Should we let Cecil on this episode? Because he's outside the office door meowing. I'll grab him. Okay. Hi. No, I missed that. Should we let Cecil on this episode? Because he's outside the office door meowing. I'll grab him. Okay. Hi. No, come here. Here we go. We're doing a podcast.

Hey, Cecil. Hoopa. Got anything funny to say? He's very shy. Ow, fuck. God, he's like 15 pounds now all right um get your dumb leg up oh new york was on celebrity big brother i'm learning so much tonight okay so what are we talking about um oh and let's talk about the fashion a little bit more so there was a woman in a a in a lot of purple uh and a top hat

and there was a purple boa and some sequins there was a pink like not bathrobe but like a robe that a boxer might wear as they approach the ring oh cecil hates this get out of here go if you're not gonna do the podcast if you're not going to do the podcast, if you're not going to fucking cooperate. Well, the reason I brought up the woman in the top hat in particular was that she was the one that said, quote, can I kiss you on the bling in your nose? That was the worst moment of my life. And then kissed him on his nose piercing. Yeah.

That was the worst moment of my life. And then kissed him on his nose piercing. Yeah. She also did a lot of like weird, weirdly, and I don't want to throw shade again. I'm coming from a place of pure love and fascination. She did a lot of maternal kissing on his forehead. Well, she was much taller than him. Then you probably been down, right? Because this is a man that you just met on a reality diving show, and he is the hype man

for Public Enemy. And you're on television, and you're both in bathing suits, and you're kissing, you're holding him, embracing him, and kissing him on the forehead. We know from Brigitte Nielsen, who is a tall woman, that, yeah, that he kind of enjoys that

differentiation in stature. Okay, yes. I'm sure he does. And that differentiation and stature. Okay, yes. I'm sure he does. And that's cool. But there's a time and a place, and this was night one, and she was giving him some full-blown goodnight moon, night-night kisses.

It's weird, right? I mean, yeah, sure. The other thing I'll say is the woman named oyster revealed in one of her group chats that she has worn red every day for the past six years like how do you even how do you even do that i guess if you just own red shit then the problem just kind of takes care of itself but you can't even be in a fucking wedding? What if one of your friends asks you to be a bridesmaid in their wedding? It's like, what's your colors?

I hope it's red. I'm guessing that doesn't happen to her a lot. She used it, though. She tried to act like it was leverage. She tried to say, you know, so I'm kind of weird and take risks like you, Flava Flav. And so we're, you know, maybe we have something in common. No, that's not the same thing. Yeah, I don't know.

Because his, like, weird shit, like, he's a weird dude. Like, yeah, he's a weird dude. But not like that. That's a different thing. So at this point. She did look good, though, in red. So, like, she obviously knows. She's a different thing. So at this point. She did look good though in red. So like she obviously knows. She knows what to do.

At this point, Big Rick comes out and says, ladies, it's that time. When you're ready. But here's another difference. So in between him saying it's that time and the actual elimination ceremony. It was a good 20 minutes. At least 20 minutes. Yeah. It was um they really dragged it out uh goldie at this point we realized goldie has gotten too drunk and she has passed out on the couch well we don't know she could have had some bad no she's drunk she could have had some bad pork no she was drunk um and the women uh are trying to kind of rouse her and say hey

just get it together for the ceremony which i imagine honestly probably happens on the bachelor a lot but they don't show it yeah they don't want to glamorize that at all no one woman does shout she just needs some bread and i watch that thinking like that woman's got my number because when i'm fucked up and i realize i've had way too much to drink, I will, I mean, sometimes my body will allow me to expunge. And then I feel usually better from not being drunk anymore. And if that doesn't happen, I just got to eat a bunch of bread. Now, that's worth mentioning because this lady does expunge. She barfs and then she's like, good to go.

This is where, if you'll recall the title of the episode this is where the bucket of puke comes in the 15 beds breaks down because there were 20 women and after surveying the bedrooms in which they would be sleeping like literally five women to a room rough stuff hey reality shows can you not get fucking hotels guys like it's it's outrageous now because then the woman wouldn't be all up in each other's business all the time um they make the realization like oh five of us are going home tonight yeah because there aren't enough beds here for all of us to stay so uh goldie uh rallies and then the women go to the bathroom and all put on their makeup i mean there is a tremendous amount of time there's a lot of pre-pro that goes into it uh and then we see uh flavor flave goes into a room with a wall of

clocks and he has to decide which five are going home and when he's talking to us the viewer he's eating a hamburger his literal like behind the scenes in the moment interview is he's eating a hamburger in it and that was the moment where i realized i did not want to watch more yeah because if flavor flave could not keep like if flavor flave couldn't take this seriously for the span of an entire one episode like if he doesn't value my time that much yeah he's a mad hatter level obsessed with clocks. You should think he should value time. Yeah.

Oh, and that's worth mentioning because, so there's two things. Either you are out of time if you don't receive a clock, and if you do receive a clock, you know what time it is. That's kind of the language they use for the elimination ceremony. that's that's kind of the language they use for the elimination ceremony do you think that flavor slave has been like driven mad by the the concept of the the constant unstoppable passing of time like do you think do you think that that flavor slave has i might get deep here for a second but do you think he is like during his time with public enemy and just like again just all the clocks like so many clocks there's always a clock around him all the time i'm not even talking about like a captain james hook level thing i'm talking more like a lovecraftian like he's he has peered into

the the widening gyre and has just sort of seen the passage of time for what it is and like the entropy of the the cosmos and he's like sort of like that's why he always keeps a clock with him and he's just like completely just zoned or or or or or he was always asking people what time it was no i think mine and they were like why don't you just wear a clock yeah we'll get you one and put it on a necklace and he was like oh it's pretty fresh and then he just decided to do that all the time. Yeah. And then in 1996, they invented watches. And he was like, well, fuck, I already got my thing.

Okay, so the other thing I really got excited about, as far as the similarity of The Bachelor, is that Punkin tells the camera about New York, I think she's here for the wrong reasons. And I was really excited about that. I was like yes this has invaded our culture it's invaded our culture at the same time it's fucking flavor of love who's there for who's there like i know uh the opportunity to marry flavor slave sign me up yes please i actually asked griffin when the show started i was like wait so all these women knew that it was Flavor Flav, right?

Like, they knew that he was the guy they were after. Because at first I thought maybe they didn't know, and that's why they were all there. There's no, but this was after, this was after Surreal Life. This was after Strange Love. Like, people knew what the fuck this show was going to be. It does make me think about so on flavor of love as i mentioned there's no age or occupation listed why do you think they do that on the bachelor is it just like an extra point of amusement like they don't we don't have to

know their age and occupation they don't want flavor no but it helps like it helps like it that's their nickname right like you remember like i don't remember this one oh yeah she was the software salesman oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's true um although the nickname thing i think is genuinely helpful for my dumb fucking lizard brain because i'm gonna watch this show like you asked me like who wins this season and i knew who won the season because i remember her name i remember that big altercation which we can get into later but i remembered both of the parties in it because I remember their fucking nicknames.

There's something to that. I don't remember who was in the last season of The Bachelorette. I don't. Yeah. But I could tell you a lot of people from this season. Yeah. Anyway, we lose a lot of good soldiers at this clock ceremony. Clock ceremony?

Is that what we're calling it? Is it clock ceremony? They say elimination ceremony, I think. Okay. So Picasso, Cherry, Smokey, Bubbles, and Shells all go home. All devoured by Flavor Flav's time god that he

worships to. At which point, the ladies all toast, which is also like The Bachelor. And then they pour some out for the girls that left i love that too some things from the show's absolutely a dumpster fire uh there's a lot of stuff that i would love to see lifted and incorporated in the the franchise that we love so much like what the pouring one out the nicknames and the nicknames yeah yeah absolutely um so that was

the episode we're not going to watch any more about Flavor of Love. Please don't ask us to. It was just not fun for me because I felt so icky the whole time. Yeah. And it's really, and I feel icky sometimes while watching The Bachelor and Bachelorette. It's just like there's so much other stuff to actually genuinely appreciate about those shows. And there's, I mean, i'm so deep into it now like it reminds me of kind of the worst of reality television where specifically women come on

knowing what their value is which is on the show to just totally exploit their bodies and get very the scene where he's putting name tags on them and literally groping them was like, I was like, we shouldn't watch, like, we already announced that we were gonna watch this, like, we shouldn't. I don't wanna, like, glorify it. And I actually felt bad that, like, we told people to watch it and that we would do, like, a full-blown book club discussion of it. But, like,

there's so much gnarly shit. And it was a, like, I get that it was a different time, but, like, it just goes to show like how us becoming more sort of sensible about how we portray like women in reality television shows is like so much of a good thing because this is like this is genuinely hard to watch like it's rough fucking stuff and there's no like agreement i'm not i'm not saying i don't want to sorry to interrupt but i don't want to make it sound like we're perfectly nailing it in terms of like representation of women on reality shows and no yeah people but it's it's

like but it's so like this was fucking brutal and here's why i think it's better i think on certain shows there's like an agreement it's like we were talking a lot about The Bachelor this season. There was kind of a code of conduct understood by the women of like, here are certain rules that we are all kind of silently agreeing to about what is and isn't appropriate. And that doesn't happen on Flavor of Love because I think the women, especially knowing Flavor Flav, go in just expecting that he is going to like the most extreme, just the most crazy sexual woman that is available. And the show does nothing to protect them at all from that.

Not that The Bachelor and The Bachelorette ever do at all from that not not that you know the bachelor bachelor i'd ever do like a perfect job producers like they're on the bachelor they're like my mine is smoky and apples no i don't think i think i think this show is lightly produced if if at all yeah and and that says i think it is even more i think it's even like way more exploitative you don't think they're going to like pumpkin and saying like what don't you like about New York? I don't know. I don't know. Me saying no is like tantamount to saying

like that I think the women are you know necessarily like dramatic or whatever. I just man I felt so conflicted like I mean to be fair it's like you said earlier I would say 80 of the women on this show want to be famous and this was their vehicle to do it yeah which

is like go fucking go for it that's why flavor flaves here definitely if that's another weird thing is like there are multiple seasons of this show I think there were three or four seasons of flavor of love with flavor flave at the helm of it so there was there was not even that fucking cave fabe that you get on the bachelor bachelorette where they trick you or they try to trick you into thinking that there's some sort of romantic angle for that but fuck that like even if a single working functional marriage had come out of the bachelor bachelorette it would still be batting a thousand compared to the success rate of of these of of flavor of love yeah so like flavor of flavor is there to obviously like reboot his career too so like go hog wild with that mentality it's like fucking outback steakhouse no rules just right go crazy go hog wild in there i imagine the speech

i'm telling you right now is literally the exact speech they gave every woman as they came in yeah what's your name new york yeah go pumpkin what's your name you want to spit on new york fucking go for it no rules just right throw your fucking peanut shells on the floor get wild in there yeah do you want to talk about the scene that you showed me i mean i'm saying all this now this scene is very gross but like the iconic scene if you want to call it that from season one is final three did you guess you know hoops is the winner hoops i did based on the clip you showed me but you didn't think like oh that hoops no oh see uh hoops is very nice like pretty much the whole time she's very nice and so you watch it going like oh it's gonna be her she's very nice uh final three pumpkin new york hoops

and so you did watch the whole season if you're familiar with that clip shit parts of me like hopes that i would just like somebody's like watch this dope clip but i think i might have or maybe i saw it on the soup that was a thing back then it was a thing um pumpkin gets booted and her and new york have like, beefing apparently the whole time. And New York and her are having a verbal altercation. And I'm speaking like a fucking cop right now. Pumpkin goes, hugs Hoops, and is like, Flavorful, pick Hoops. She's the best. And Pumpkin threatens to slap New York.

And New York says, go for it. I want you to slap me. And while she's talking, Pumpkin spits at her. Really good, I want to say. Yeah, it was good spitting. I'm you to stop me. I want, and while she's talking, pumpkin spits at her really good. I want to say, yeah, it was, it was good spitting.

I'm not a good spitter. Like I can't spit long distances very well, which is being rough being from Appalachia. Um, but, uh, she got it. Like I watch it. I thought she got it like square in the hole of her mouth,

like a carnival game. Uh, but no, just on her hair and her chin a little bit. Um, and then New York dashes at her her grabs a little bit of her hair but she gets away and runs away after falling to the floor um and new york is very upset about it and pumpkin's like even play play was like yeah pumpkin you gotta go now that was kind of fucked up that was real fucked up you don't

spin on people here it's like well they did say no rules just right so anyway that was the is that where outback got it from you penultimate yes outback steakhouse john outback watch that and said is he related to william drayton yeah they're brothers uh so i hated it and i never want to watch it again it was the absolute worst and it grosses me out that anybody um would continue to watch that show for multiple seasons um uh i just wanted to catch up on like what clay was up to and like learn a little bit about him so i googled his name and he's very recently in the news i'd like to read to you a billboard article yeah please um uh public enemy performance south by southwest here in austin that's great i actually would have gone to that uh so uh chuck d gets up there and yells black lives matter

fuck donald trump uh so far the uh and then spoke to billboard uh backstage and said um uh so far the election is a bizarre show i won't make my decision until october but seriously the country is in turmoil um which is actually kind of like won't make your decision until october if it's trump on the ticket you just don't fuck donald trump black lives matter like you would think you would not lean towards him but um uh anyway i guess he didn't want to endorse anybody yeah that makes sense because yeah totally like if you're he's like a public figure if you're a public figure anything you say yeah and then he has to like go campaign that actually yes that makes a ton of sense um flavor flavor says uh i'm not really the

politician of the group uh there's a lot of people talking about a lot of shit about trump but guess what he's winning the man is winning i ain't gonna lie but listen the united states has been always been ran a certain way for decades and decades and decades you never know maybe trump could possibly do something. Maybe he might step in office and do something. I'm not going to doubt him. Put it this way. If this was really, really a foot race, Donald Trump would be the first to the finish line,

but they won't let him cross first. That's the way I feel. You know what I'm saying? Because he's winning fairly, but they still don't want him to be president. They're going to try and block that man from being president. If Donald Trump does become president, there's only one thing we can all do. Just sit back and let the man do his job fight the power what you didn't fight the power you did a song called fight the power let the man do his job

this is verse two of fight the power let the man do his job. What? Was Flavor Flav ever on Celebrity Apprentice? Doesn't it seem like he would be? Didn't make the cut. That just stuck out to me as the craziest fucking thing ever. You can't be in a band called Public Enemy with a song called Fight the Power and then say that.

Just let him do... Guys. They're just trying to do their job fair and square-sy. You think Flavor Flav is going to be out on the campaign trail now? Just doing stump speeches for Trump? I mean, it wasn't an endorsement for Trump as much as it was for the busted-ass election process, which is just like, hey, man, whatever happens, happens. Just let them do their thing. It's bizarre.

Whatever happens, happens. Just let them do their thing. It's bizarre. It seems like you have identified some kind of morality in Flavor Flav, and this shocks you. But I do not think that this is against his character necessarily to say something like this. He did say he's not the politician of the guess so i don't know um he likes bravado you know he likes showmanship he does i mean what is donald trump

but a hype man for the fucking apocalypse um i don't want to talk anymore about this show it's garbage i hated it and i absolutely hated our dad and my my clint my father and my stepmother carol are coming in town tonight in a couple hours we're gonna have to end this right now and go because we wanted to finish house of cards we got two episodes left this is probably going to keep us from fucking finishing house of cards i don't want to spend any more time on it that we could be watching frank and claire like figure their shit out what's up next week what are we doing next week? I want to get away from what we just experienced. There's not far we can go.

There isn't that far we can go. What was one of the shows you found on Hulu? I really want to watch that Are You the One one. I've heard nothing but good things about Are You the One. I think that's on the MTV website. Otherwise, it's Basement of Love, Daisy of Love, Rock of Love. I've heard nothing but good things about Are You the One. I think that's on the MTV website. Otherwise, it's Basement of Love, Daisy of Love, Rock of Love. I need a break. I love New York.

Or Paradise Hotel 2, which looked like Bachelor of Paradise. Let's do Paradise Hotel 2. Because I want something that I know literally nothing about. I want to go in fresh on one of these. Okay, so next week, we'll watch the first episode of Paradise Hotel 2, available on Hulu.

Is this a pornography? Are you certain this isn't a new Hulu original pornography? Somebody in the Rosebuddies group recommended it and said it was a lot like Bachelor of the Rings. Did they recommend it like this? I got a videotape you're just gonna love. Anyway, until next time of... I don't even want to call this Rose Buddies. This is like Rose Buddies alt-universe.

Rose Buddies with a Z. R-O-Z-E-B-U-D-D-I-E-Z. Rose Buddies. Don't change our logo. No, I won't. I wouldn't know how. But we'll all know. Fuck, that's good. Okay, thank you for watching Rose Buddies. I've been Griffin McEl No, I won't. I wouldn't know how. But we'll all know. Fuck, that's good.

Okay, thank you for watching Rose Buddies. I've been Griffin McElroy. I'm Rachel McElroy. Yeah, boy. But I get flavor waves. Stay with us on this journey of joy. Spoiler alert! She is up with Soulja Boy. Right reasons.

Right reasons. We've been through all four seasons. Bye!