Wonderful! - Wonderful! 333: Chicken Milkshakes
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Hi, this is Rachel McElroy.
Hi, this is Griffin McElroy.
And this is wonderful.
This is a show, podcast show, where we talk about things we like that's good we're into.
It usually is about one half an hour,
including advertisements.
Sometimes we don't do those.
It is not family friendly.
And that's mostly my fault.
I do cuss on this show sometimes.
Sometimes we make-
It would be so easy to make this show family friendly.
I know.
I would literally only need to stop doing two
or three-
Well, and we make some suggestive comments occasionally.
Mostly about one another.
Yeah.
Exclusively about one another.
Yeah, I know, I can't think of a time where-
That would be harder to curtail.
I brought a topic where I was like,
oh, this dude is so hot.
Yeah, check out his balls.
Yeah, I don't do that. No, and just like that, this dude is so hot. Yeah, check out his balls. Yeah, don't do that.
No, and just like that, this episode.
Yeah, now you have to turn it off.
Focus on the Family has a lot to say about this podcast,
but we don't care about that.
We care about you at home and telling you
things we like that's good we're into.
With swears.
With cussing, sometimes.
Bastard.
It is. There's a scene in the movie Signs,
the M. Night Shyamalan movie Signs,
where they go to this pharmacy,
and this is not my small wonder,
and the pharmacist is like this teen girl,
and she's trying to confess to Mel Gibson's character
about the cusses she's done,
and the way she says the word bastard
has like really stuck with me.
Like, bastard.
It's also very quirky from Waiting for Guffins.
It's just a good, powerful word.
I think, yeah, I mean, that word is actually in-
Bastard people.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fucking good.
Do you have a small wonder for me?
Well, you telling me that actually made me think
of a small wonder. Because you had me watch that movie
relatively early in our relationship.
Waiting for Gufman?
No, signs.
Oh yeah.
I had seen Waiting for Gufman, thank you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it reminded me of that time period in a relationship
where you're like, I'm gonna show you the things
that I like because you really have to know this.
We have been together for so long though
that like I don't even necessarily hold that film
in such high regard these days.
Like that is how long the arc of our relationship
is so long that like I have,
there's things that I probably introduced you to
that I would not necessarily.
Yeah, no, I remember you were like,
oh, you gotta watch signs and then we watched it
and I was like, eh. Yeah, I mean I remember you were like, oh, you gotta watch signs, and then we watched it, and I was like, eh.
Yeah, I mean, I saw it when I was in high school
with my mom, and I remember being just like,
so like, oh my God, everything does happen for a reason.
The aliens hate the water.
Anyway, my small wonder,
I can't believe you didn't yoink this,
is a new show on Netflix,
a reality television program from Japan,
it is called The Boyfriend.
It is, the extent to which it is Terrace House vibes,
is difficult to quantify.
It's extremely Terrace House vibes.
So much so that one of the panelists from Terrace House,
Tokui, who was removed from the show
after some like fraud scandals popped up
that we thought like he's out of the game forever.
He's one of the panelists on this show.
And it's about at this point, seven young men
living in a house together, falling in love, going on dates,
running a coffee truck for some reason.
We're two episodes in and holy shit,
it is hitting the mark for me.
The way it is filmed is very Terrace House.
The panel is very Terrace House.
Like everything about it feels so similar.
It felt like we'd been given a real gift.
Because we knew there was gonna be no more Terrace House
and we were like, oh man,
that was a show we really liked.
And then the boyfriend showed up and we were like,
oh my God, we're back.
I also don't pretend to have a deep cultural understanding
of the experience of being a gay man in Japan.
I remember I watched, I'm not gonna remember,
some documentary about what that experience was like
and how it was not the easiest thing,
but that was 15 years ago maybe that I watched it.
So who knows what the experience is now.
It is wild to see this show come out of a place
that I don't think of as the most kind of open
and sort of socially, sexually sort of liberated
in that way.
I'm talking like completely out of my ass right now,
which I maybe should stop, but it is,
it's very impressive and it's,
it really is just a fucking really good watch, y'all.
And there definitely is a guy on the show
who talks about how he is not out to his family yet.
Sure, yeah.
So like, it clearly is not like a completely accepted issue.
There's also a couple of the guys who identify as bisexual
and like when it cut back to the panel, I was like,
what's this conversation gonna be like?
But it was incredibly, I think well handled
in talking about sort of the nuance
and sort of like the challenging sort of politics
of like navigating that is like.
One of the panelists is a gay man and drag performer
and he does a lot of work for the panel,
just being like, okay, so let me tell you.
He does a lot of the heavy lifting.
Let me tell you about what this is.
But Tokui is also holding it the fuck down.
Oh my gosh, for those of you who don't remember,
so there were kind of two consistent,
funny guys on the panel.
There was the one with the glasses,
the one without the glasses.
I can't remember his name.
I know.
But Tokui is the one without the glasses,
who was kind of, in my head, the leader of the panel.
I think that is Yamachan.
Yeah.
That's his name.
I remember it was Yama something, Ryota Yamasaka.
We haven't finished much of the series yet.
We're only two episodes in, but like, god dang.
It's everything that I, when I saw the trailer,
I was like, wow, this could be the heir apparent
to the Terrace House kingdom.
And it seems like it's in that mark.
They have like sweet little gimmicks too,
to like, to make the relationships progress in a way
that I've really enjoyed.
They write anonymous letters to one another.
And like, every-
And they like have them, people are given the option
of who they wanna work with.
And there's this big performance
where they indicate who they have chosen.
And it just feels very thoughtful.
Also, if you love to be banal minutia of Terrace House,
they have a set budget that's basically 6,000 yen a day,
which is roughly 60 bucks or so a day
for the whole house for everyone.
And there's one dude who lives in the house
who is a bodybuilder and go-go dancer
who drinks three gigantic boiled chicken milkshakes
every day to maintain his fucking macros or whatever.
And he ends up spending most of the money in the house.
And so they have to have a house conversation like, hey man, you can't spend half the money in the house
on your chicken milkshakes, it's fucking wild.
It's got it all, man.
I'm so, so revitalized and energized by this program.
You go first this week and I cannot wait to get into it.
Yeah, so our last episode,
which we just happened to record earlier this week.
Two days ago, I think, or three days ago.
Yeah, we got a little behind and now we're caught up
and we mentioned the television program, Utopia,
and I was ready to go.
Like the next day I like got on my computer,
like I'm figuring this out.
Literally texting me the next morning,
like hey, check this, check this,
let's do Utopia, check this.
Yeah, and Griffin had the thought, and it's true,
we're not a reality review program anymore.
Anymore, yeah.
And so this is not the start of a new trend,
but I just couldn't wait.
And so my topic this week is Utopia.
I'm so stoked.
You did so much more digging and I guess sort of excavating.
There's a lot about this show that I think I have forgotten.
I remember most of the brass tacks
and of course the theme song.
That's what I think will be interesting about this
because I found one full episode.
I found episode two.
There were only 12 episodes total. I found episode two, there were only 12 episodes total.
I found episode two online.
So I watched episode two to kind of refresh myself.
But yeah, then I also read a lot of articles
and like who the cast was.
I also found an interview with the host.
The host who of Memory Serves had the vibe
of like a science or perhaps kink YouTuber.
Like there was something like undeniably,
like he was just sort of a, I think bald,
mustachioed man.
Exactly, glasses.
Glasses, maybe in like his late thirties,
who had sort of a vibe about him.
His name is Dan Peraro, and he is apparently the creator
of the subversive comic strip, Bizarro.
And prior to his performance as host on Utopia,
he had no television experience.
And that certainly came through.
Which isn't to say he did a bad job,
but it was just like a, whoa,
I've never seen one of them like this do it before.
So Utopia, now if you Google Utopia,
there's like a movie and there also is versions
of this show that happened in other countries.
Cause this actually didn't start in the US.
Yes.
It died in the US.
Yeah.
Well, and somebody may have gotten a little overeager
because what happened was Utopia debuted in the Netherlands
in January and that same year in the fall the US launched their own version.
So the season hadn't even finished when they started having these conversations, but it
was a huge hit in the Netherlands and so US Fox jumped on it. This is so funny and such a like, I don't know,
weird condemnation of the country of America,
where like a show about like, let's restart society
and form a bubble, a bubble sort of nation
where we will be self sufficient.
I haven't even revealed that's what the show's about yet.
Oh, right, sorry.
The fact that that worked in the Netherlands
and then in America, it was an absolute garbage fire
is I think telling in a sort of broader cultural context.
So, Utopia debuted in the Netherlands in January.
It was the network's highest rated unscripted premiere
in six years and continued its winning streak
as the number one series for 10 consecutive nights.
So it was just like a huge smash.
And so Fox jumped on the rights to it
so they could green light it here.
This executive who was new to Fox and was very eager
jumped on top of it,
partially because of the creator of Utopia, John DeMal,
who had also created
Big Brother and The Voice.
So everybody's like, this guy is a genius,
he's got a new show, it's doing really well,
let's jump on top of it.
Utopia, I will say, in the Netherlands
took place in the forest.
It was not as manicured an experience
as the one here in the US.
Okay, that's interesting.
And apparently John DeMaual and the executive at Fox
came to a lot of disagreements about their Fox's approach.
And in a way that suggests that people were not happy
about this show going for minute one,
which explains maybe why they canceled it.
Dude, so fucking much, so, so, so much.
It made it two months and then they canceled it.
It was supposed to be a full calendar year.
And wasn't it the most expensive reality show ever made?
$50 million.
That's for 12 episodes of television.
You are not really doing your thing.
And that's not including the like tech piece they did.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Okay. Okay.
So it was filmed on a ranch in Santa Clarita, California.
And the purpose of the show was to take individuals
from out in the world, bring them to this ranch
and have them start a new society.
And so they were given like a barn and some animals
and access to like water.
And it was their responsibility to like set up electricity
and find a way to earn an income
and build additional buildings.
And it's a really interesting concept.
And I think we were both really hooked by that
in the beginning.
Yes.
Because we also love ambitious like disaster
television shows sometimes of like,
we are both so deeply interested in how these shows
get made and the audacity of this program
was sort of undeniable.
So part of the 50 million came from the fact
that they built out the compound
so that there were microphones and cameras all over,
so there were no camera crews.
So that the people on the space could really exist
as if they were in isolation,
which of course added to the huge price tag.
And then the idea was that they would be filmed 24-7
and that the show would air twice a week.
And if you wanted to,
and this is something I did later in the series,
you could pay to get access to like a 24 seven stream
on the internet.
Which if memory serves.
Was $5 a month.
Was also pretty gnarly because it was like
fully uncensored 24 seven access
to these actual people who are living on this ranch.
Part of the theory about it being filmed
in Santa Clarita, California and not in a forest
was that they were really encouraging nudity.
They really wanted a mild climate, a lot of sun
in which people would get nude as fast as possible.
And if memory serves, there were quite a few people
on this show who were fully down for that.
Yes.
Like completely down with that life.
Yeah, so the show was cast in a very challenging way.
Part of the biggest problem is that,
you know how every reality show has one or two contestants that you can tell
were brought on to be divisive or to start stuff?
That was like 90% of the people on Utopia.
So let me tell you a little bit about the cast.
Let's see what you remember.
So there was Andrea, who was a vegan chef.
Yes, I remember Andrea. Bella, who was a vegan chef. Yes, I remember Andrea.
Bella who was a survivalist.
She was the one with the chickens.
Do you remember?
She had very strong feelings about the chickens.
She wanted to build a chicken tractor
so that the chickens could.
Fertilize the.
Yeah, like till the soil.
And everyone's like,
we haven't even planted all the seeds yet.
And she's like.
She got really into the chicken tractor idea.
Got very one tractor.
There is a point also later in the show,
it's actually the same episode now that I think about it,
where they are drinking tap water.
Bella has concerns about fluoride in the water
and wants to invest in a filtration system
as soon as possible.
Everyone's like, we are not spending our money that way.
So she kind of isolated herself pretty quickly.
There is Dave who had spent time in prison
and reminded people about this a lot.
I remember Dave, yes.
Especially when it came to the purchasing of food.
So there is a point when they finally get the electricity
going so they can make a call to have food delivered.
And everybody's being thoughtful about like,
we should get staples that don't cost much.
And he feels very strongly that he should have access
to food similar to the food that was in the commissary
at the prison he was at.
And so he really hits home.
He just wants ramen.
He wants Vienna sausages.
And he gets very upset when they start talking
about things like brown rice and radishes and quinoa.
It leads to this huge dispute where he starts
like destroying some of the existing canned goods that they already have.
There's a lot of conflict coming from him.
And part of the reason that is happening
is another contestant by the name of Red.
Oh, Red.
From Kentucky, very thick Southern accent,
has experiences as a handyman, a farmer, a moonshiner,
a home builder,
and a natural medicine man.
And he and Dave start a separate faction.
Do you remember this?
I do.
The Utopia State of Freedom.
So they get so upset about the way that their society
is spending their money on food that they do not wanna eat
or have access to,
that they decide to do a splinterer group
and they pull money from the safe
so they can buy their own groceries.
And so-
It's like the third season of Battlestar Galactica
where it's like,
there's not enough of you humans
to fight against each other
or the Cylons are going to absolutely annihilate you.
Very much that vibe.
So they do a grocery order, they get Oreos,
they get hamburgers, like they make their choice.
And then they invite everybody in a nice little cookout.
So they're like, but they're trying to get people
to join their group.
There is also Hex, what they always call her Hex the Huntress.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ, I have not thought about this show for years.
She is one of the people that gets nude pretty early on.
Yeah, yeah.
There is a preacher there
who gets very upset about the nudity.
Yes.
There is Dedeker, do you remember her?
I just remember that name, like you can't forget that name.
I remember the name Dedeker.
Yes.
She was the one who was all about polyamory.
Okay, yes, okay, yes.
And then there is the couple,
so there's Bree who is 20 years old,
and she gets in a relationship with Chris who is 25,
and they spend a lot of time discussing where they can go have sex.
Yes.
Because there are cameras everywhere.
Everywhere, all over the place.
And they have a very physical relationship.
You can tell that it is very driven by lust.
A lot of lake stuff, if memory serves.
The problem is that Bree keeps saying stuff.
So what even are we?
How do you wanna define our relationship?
And it's very clear, like Chris just wants to build.
Reality TV girlfriend.
Yeah. Yeah.
There are other people, there's a guy who is engaged.
Now I can't remember the circumstances of this.
There is a guy named Rob who comes to the show engaged
and then marries his fiancee while the show is being filmed.
Do you remember this?
Vaguely.
They're like out in a field and the preacher marries them.
So she like comes to visit him.
And then they decided to get married at Utopia.
No, I do remember that the preacher,
I think like twists their ankle
and then has to go to a real earth hospital.
And it's like a big- Oh, I forgot about that.
I don't know if that's the exact injury,
but like they have to go to the hospital.
And then there's all this conversation about like,
well, are they allowed to come back in?
Cause that's very explicitly not our society.
We have popped the bubble, I think, at that point.
What I have been reading you, by the way,
is from an Entertainment Weekly article
they did when the show launched.
And what is delightful about it is they had everybody
really represent their character.
So the attorney, for example,
is in a like three piece suit.
Hex the huntress is actually holding a bow in her photo.
And then the pastor looking very much like a pastor.
And then Dedica.
Dedica's just naked.
Was polyamorous.
And so for them, Fox was like,
let's really get on. Naked lady, yeah.
Naked lady.
Yeah. 2014, right? Theaked lady. Yeah, so.
2014, right?
The show was on 10 years ago?
Yeah, 2014.
Okay, so some depictions of these,
let's call them archetypes,
do not hold up to much scrutiny.
No, no, no, no.
And that is another problem with the show.
I mean, there's obviously tons of problems with this show.
But they, you know, it was Fox who at the time
and for decades before really tried to capitalize
on salacious content.
Right.
You know, and so that is what they were trying to create
with this show when meanwhile the premise itself was enough.
Really good.
But it ran from September 7th to October 31st.
I remember the last episode was the Halloween special
and the host was dressed up.
I can't remember, the host was like wearing something wild.
I can't remember, but it was like,
happy Halloween, canceled, end of show,
after the Halloween special.
I also remember that they let people in to their bubble.
They let people come into their little commune
so that they could like sell them
like friendship bracelets and eggs so that they could buy their Vienna sausages.
They tried a lot of things at the end
because viewership was way lower than they were expecting
and it was happening like in real time.
So they were trying desperately towards the end.
And that's apparently there was no plan
to kick people off the show,
but that was a way they were trying to engage viewership.
So people could get online and suggest
who they wanted to be removed from the show,
which I guess they thought would pick up traction,
but did not help.
Tragic.
I think that in the long history
of American adaptations of reality television shows,
Utopia deserves a monumental footnote
of this is the one time where they tried something
and the sort of immoral decisions made by the network
hosting the show and also just kind of the enormous
cultural differences
between the two countries that created these shows
was too big of a burden to possibly overcome.
It's so fascinating.
I will just say the host that we mentioned earlier
in this interview with TV Guide Magazine
talks about how they toned down his look for
camera. That's incredible. But that he still felt very strongly about the mustache wax and he said that he
even softened the mustache for his performance. The fuck does that mean? You saffoned your mustache for the performance. Yeah, Dan Perero met executive producer John Kroll
at Comic-Con and when it came time to cast the host,
apparently Kroll was like,
you know that guy had a really good voice.
Cool.
So no television experience.
Love it.
Every point of this, they had a path to choose
and they consistently chose the wrong one,
but I stand by the concept. Yeah, I don't even know that I would do that, of this, they had a path to choose and they consistently chose the wrong one.
But I stand by the concept.
Yeah, I don't even know that I would do that,
but it was fascinating 10 years ago, especially,
to have something like this on our TV.
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My thing this week, I don't think is anything that is going to hit home for you, but I do
wonder if there is something sort of similar that you have experience with in your life.
I want to talk about a magazine, a gaming magazine from my youth called Official US
PlayStation Magazine or OPM. We were, the McElroy family,
subscribed to no fewer than five video games
and four magazines when I was growing up.
There was GamePro, Nintendo Power, of course,
Electronic Game Monthly.
My grandma used to get PC Gamer.
PC Gamer, we got that for a little bit.
Game Informer, but the one I always looked forward
to the most was OPM, Official PlayStation Magazine.
Monthly Magazine covered all sorts of news
about PlayStation 1 and 2 and 3
and the PlayStation portable.
And it's part of the Ziff Davis media empire,
which like ran a billion magazines
and a lot of them were sort of based around games
or like digital media and stuff like that.
OPM entered publication in October of 1997, nearly two years after the U.S.
launch of the PlayStation one.
And it ran until 2007.
This was back in the days where like a magazine could run for 10 years.
And that was a thing that was possible for a magazine to achieve.
It is vitally important for you folks listening at home
who maybe this is an alien experience for
to understand that this was like largely
pre-ubiquitous internet.
Yeah, so if you wanted like tips,
this was where you had to go.
Well, for me it was less tips, right?
For me it was like, if you wanted to know things
about the games that were coming out,
and I did like always, magazines were more or less about the games that were coming out, and I did, like always,
magazines were more or less like your only way
to find out what was coming.
It was fairly easy to stay abreast of what Nintendo
was up to because they have always followed the same model,
the same model that they have now,
which is like a few huge tent pole releases
that are advertised out the wazoo and like,
you know, you go to Babbage's at the mall
and they've got standees and posters and you know, they're pushing pre-orders on you.
But the PlayStation, there was a ton of games
that came out for the PlayStation
and a lot of them were localized from Japan
with no fanfare whatsoever.
So like, in order to find out what was coming out
and have like a really good view of the landscape
of like all of this whole ecosystem of games coming out for this, you know good view of the landscape of like all of this whole ecosystem
of games coming out for this, you know,
top of the line gaming console,
like OPM and other magazines like it were like,
what you use.
And I used to just tear through issues of this magazine.
We had a pile of gaming magazines basically
by every toilet in our house, which was two toilets, now that I'm thinking about it.
And I would just tear through them,
especially the previews, right?
Cause I always wanted to know,
I can still remember bylines.
There was Thierry Scooter Nguyen,
who did like, I think was the previews editor maybe.
Like I can remember that byline out of the top of my head,
just because I read so many pieces written by them.
And you would read about these big games
that were coming out later this year,
and I would just be chomping at the bit to play them.
The best thing about OPM is you didn't have to wait
sometimes to play those games,
because every issue of OPM came with a demo disc.
It was the first gaming magazine to include demo discs
for the PlayStation 1 and then later on the PlayStation 2.
It would include a disc featuring a selection of trailers
and playable demos of upcoming PlayStation games
and like popular PlayStation games that were,
you know, sort of had achieved classics status
at some point.
You would toss the disc into your PlayStation,
it would show this kick-ass 3D CG animation
of like peak late 90s, early aughts,
like animation of like, you know,
a big explosion and a dragon made out of like eight polygons
and like heavy metal industrial sort of aesthetic.
And the wild thing about these demo discs
is that the quality of the games presented
was a total crap shoot, right?
So you would get the magazine in the mail,
read through it, it would be like,
oh, here's a preview of the new Squaresoft JRPG
that's coming out.
Chrono Cross coming out this summer,
it's the summer of Square, it's gonna be huge. And go play it, because it's, Chrono Cross coming out this summer. It's the summer of Square.
It's gonna be huge.
And go play it, because it's on this demo disc.
You can go try it out.
And the demos were always like custom made short slices
of whatever the games, you know, previewed usually were.
Sometimes what you got was a playable demo
of 102 Dalmatians
and then like six trailers for other shitty
movie tie-in games.
So like you didn't know when you got the disc
whether it was going to be like something,
I remember we got one with this platformer
I'd never heard of called Tomba
that was like so fucking good, I played that demo so much.
And then like the next month the disc that comes
is like something completely awful.
Well, I imagine it was hard to like have the content
like every month.
Absolutely it was.
Yeah, and that's why eventually the quality of the discs,
I would say diminished over time to the point where like
the later issues you would get maybe one demo
and then a bunch of trailers and the demo would be like,
this is Final Fantasy VIII, it came out three years ago,
but if you still wanna try it, we have a demo for you.
Wow, and I think a lot of what gets people to play a game
is kind of the mystery of it.
So to put out a demo, you're kind of like already alienating
some people potentially who are like, the demo suck,
I'm not buying the game.
Yeah, absolutely, I think that's true.
But I think it was absolutely worth it
for the good ones.
But not only that, for me, who did not have any money
to spend on anything growing up,
whose new game acquisitions were based entirely
around Christmas and maybe one on my birthday,
and then after that it was was like whatever I could trade in
at Babbage's for store credit to like,
so that funneled down to the point
where I had like one video game basically.
And for me, these discs were free playable video games
because I didn't subscribe to this magazine,
but I think Justin did.
Justin probably did most of these.
These were free playable video games
and that concept was so novel to me and so exciting
that I ended up playing everything a lot.
So I found this YouTube channel
that basically has uploaded playthroughs of every demo disc
from the PS1 era, which is something like 52 discs.
And I just picked one at random
and I was just hurled into this like sinkhole of nostalgia.
It was, what I looked at was disc 35
and I remembered this disc very fondly.
It featured demos for Star Wars Jedi Power Battles,
Destruction Derby Raw, Walt Disney World Racing Tour
and Play With The Teletubbies, all of which were horrible.
They were so bad, but it also had a demo
for the ninja assassination game Tenshu 2,
which fucking slapped ass, was so, so good.
It also had a trailer for Dave Meara Freestyle BMX
and to round everything out, a PSA video
from the Truth Anti-smoking campaign.
Oh my God.
It's everything you need on one,
I had no idea it was so many.
When you were describing it,
I was thinking like two or three.
That is a lot of content.
It's a lot of content.
Yeah.
I remember playing all those games.
I remember looking at this like very kind of clunky looking
user interface
that they had put together to like pick which game
and looking at play with the Teletubbies
and being like, I fucking guess so, man.
Like, I got nothing better to do.
I don't have any new games.
So I guess I'll play with the Teletubbies.
I don't have any real people to play with.
Yeah, sure.
I think I was talking with Justin and Travis
about this like a couple of weeks ago.
And since then, watching these like compilations
on YouTube has been like my little treat,
my little nostalgic treat for myself
because I really, I engaged with this stuff so deeply
because it was to get little pieces of games
for free and to have like this appetizer platter
delivered every month was genuinely thrilling.
There were a few other magazines that did it.
I think there was a Dreamcast magazine
that had like a demo disc set up on it too.
And then once the PlayStation 2 came out,
they did some PS2 demo discs,
some of which were were pretty great also.
But yeah, this is an era that is so far gone, right?
Because now I don't need a magazine for gaming news
and I don't need physical media to play
demos of games for free.
But I don't know, when I was just a lad,
that was the most exciting shit in the world for me,
and it is not surprising at all that the path I then followed
started me off in the games press industry
as soon as I possibly could.
And so yeah, that was a very special match.
That's very cool.
Yeah, you talk about that and I remember that experience
of going to Blockbuster and trying to rent a video game
and literally having no idea, like,
how am I supposed to choose?
Sure.
And it was like, okay, well, this cover art
of the little cool spot logo, that looks like a fun game.
God, that explains so much about your origin story.
Hey, do you wanna know what our friends at home are talking about?
Yes.
Corin says, something I find wonderful
is when you realize you're holding more pages
in your left hand than your right when reading a book,
meaning you're over halfway through.
It's a small but wonderful feeling of accomplishment,
especially if you weren't really keeping track
of your progress.
Oh, yeah, see, you know me.
I still love a physical book.
I love a physical book.
I love seeing a high percentage
in the corner of my Kindle paper white.
Same thing.
Same thing.
Jeremy says, my small wonder is riding my bike
with a freshly lubed chain.
Sometimes it's enough to make it feel
like you're riding a brand new bike.
It's fantastic.
I need to find, so I bought some accoutrement
to like, you know, service my e-bike.
Yeah.
And I have no idea how to use any of it.
So I need to find like a little video.
You just goop the loop on there.
Yeah, I mean, in my head it's like,
well, do I just goop it?
But I have a feeling.
You put the goop in your hand,
and you run the chain through your hand
and let it goop, it self-goops.
Yeah, and then it's done, right?
Yeah.
I don't know, I'm gonna have to look at it.
My bike is belt driven.
I think I just pop it off and throw it in the dishwasher.
And it's good to go.
Thank you so much for listening.
Thank you to Bowen and Augustus for these,
for our theme song, Money Won't Pay.
I'll find a link to that in the episode description.
We have some merch over at McElroyMerch.com
that you can go check out,
including a new Find Fungalore poster.
10% of all merch proceeds this month
go to the Palestine Children's Relief Fund.
We also are doing some live shows later this week in Detroit and Cleveland.
Come out and see us there if you live in those areas.
We're doing Mbim Bam and Taz in Detroit and then Mbim Bam in Cleveland.
And then we have a bunch more appearances coming up all over the country.
You can go to bit.ly slash McEloy Tours for all the information about that.
And one last thing, if you're listening to this on release day, then yesterday, the Adventure
Zone, the suffering game graphic novel, our sixth graphic novel adaptation is now out.
If you are a fan of Taz, if you have enjoyed these books, it would genuinely mean the world
if you would go to a bookstore that you like
and pick up a copy.
We signed a bunch of book plates to include
in some of them with specific dealers,
and so maybe you'll get your hands on one of those,
but it's genuinely a fantastic book,
and I am so proud of it,
and I want everyone on Earth to read it
because I think it's really good.
I will say, I have friends now who have children
that are like middle school, high school age.
And the focus for them is to get their child
to continue reading in the summer.
And I have now had two separate friends
who have had their teen really thoroughly enjoy
Adventure Zone graphic novels.
And it's very, very, very cool.
So I feel like if you yourself are not interested
in the graphic novel, but you have a teen that is,
it works, man. A cool teen.
A cool teen.
It's like fine with cussing.
It has to be a cool teen, fine with cussing.
That's it.
Thank you all so much for listening.
We'll be back next week with another episode of Wonderful.
And you can check out the demo disc
that comes with this episode of Wonderful.
It's got 15 seconds of the boyfriend on it.
And there's-
And then you can play as a boyfriend in the game.
And there is a trailer for quantum leap.
And-
There is a fan fiction story about what would have happened
on Utopia had the show continued.
Yes, and a truth campaign video, but this time it's anti-vaping because it's 2024. fan fiction story about what would have happened on Utopia had the show continued.
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