Wonderful! - Wonderful! 333: Chicken Milkshakes

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Rachel's favorite failed idealist reality show! Griffin's favorite toilet read! Music: “Money Won’t Pay” by bo en and Augustus – https://open.spotify.com/album/7n6zRzTrGPIHt0kRvmWoya Palesti...ne Children's Relief Fund: https://www.pcrf.net/

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, this is Rachel McElroy. Hi, this is Griffin McElroy. And this is wonderful. This is a show, podcast show, where we talk about things we like that's good we're into. It usually is about one half an hour, including advertisements. Sometimes we don't do those. It is not family friendly.
Starting point is 00:00:34 And that's mostly my fault. I do cuss on this show sometimes. Sometimes we make- It would be so easy to make this show family friendly. I know. I would literally only need to stop doing two or three- Well, and we make some suggestive comments occasionally.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Mostly about one another. Yeah. Exclusively about one another. Yeah, I know, I can't think of a time where- That would be harder to curtail. I brought a topic where I was like, oh, this dude is so hot. Yeah, check out his balls.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Yeah, I don't do that. No, and just like that, this dude is so hot. Yeah, check out his balls. Yeah, don't do that. No, and just like that, this episode. Yeah, now you have to turn it off. Focus on the Family has a lot to say about this podcast, but we don't care about that. We care about you at home and telling you things we like that's good we're into. With swears.
Starting point is 00:01:20 With cussing, sometimes. Bastard. It is. There's a scene in the movie Signs, the M. Night Shyamalan movie Signs, where they go to this pharmacy, and this is not my small wonder, and the pharmacist is like this teen girl, and she's trying to confess to Mel Gibson's character
Starting point is 00:01:42 about the cusses she's done, and the way she says the word bastard has like really stuck with me. Like, bastard. It's also very quirky from Waiting for Guffins. It's just a good, powerful word. I think, yeah, I mean, that word is actually in- Bastard people.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking good. Do you have a small wonder for me? Well, you telling me that actually made me think of a small wonder. Because you had me watch that movie relatively early in our relationship. Waiting for Gufman? No, signs.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Oh yeah. I had seen Waiting for Gufman, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it reminded me of that time period in a relationship where you're like, I'm gonna show you the things that I like because you really have to know this. We have been together for so long though that like I don't even necessarily hold that film
Starting point is 00:02:31 in such high regard these days. Like that is how long the arc of our relationship is so long that like I have, there's things that I probably introduced you to that I would not necessarily. Yeah, no, I remember you were like, oh, you gotta watch signs and then we watched it and I was like, eh. Yeah, I mean I remember you were like, oh, you gotta watch signs, and then we watched it, and I was like, eh.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Yeah, I mean, I saw it when I was in high school with my mom, and I remember being just like, so like, oh my God, everything does happen for a reason. The aliens hate the water. Anyway, my small wonder, I can't believe you didn't yoink this, is a new show on Netflix, a reality television program from Japan,
Starting point is 00:03:10 it is called The Boyfriend. It is, the extent to which it is Terrace House vibes, is difficult to quantify. It's extremely Terrace House vibes. So much so that one of the panelists from Terrace House, Tokui, who was removed from the show after some like fraud scandals popped up that we thought like he's out of the game forever.
Starting point is 00:03:36 He's one of the panelists on this show. And it's about at this point, seven young men living in a house together, falling in love, going on dates, running a coffee truck for some reason. We're two episodes in and holy shit, it is hitting the mark for me. The way it is filmed is very Terrace House. The panel is very Terrace House.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Like everything about it feels so similar. It felt like we'd been given a real gift. Because we knew there was gonna be no more Terrace House and we were like, oh man, that was a show we really liked. And then the boyfriend showed up and we were like, oh my God, we're back. I also don't pretend to have a deep cultural understanding
Starting point is 00:04:27 of the experience of being a gay man in Japan. I remember I watched, I'm not gonna remember, some documentary about what that experience was like and how it was not the easiest thing, but that was 15 years ago maybe that I watched it. So who knows what the experience is now. It is wild to see this show come out of a place that I don't think of as the most kind of open
Starting point is 00:04:58 and sort of socially, sexually sort of liberated in that way. I'm talking like completely out of my ass right now, which I maybe should stop, but it is, it's very impressive and it's, it really is just a fucking really good watch, y'all. And there definitely is a guy on the show who talks about how he is not out to his family yet.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Sure, yeah. So like, it clearly is not like a completely accepted issue. There's also a couple of the guys who identify as bisexual and like when it cut back to the panel, I was like, what's this conversation gonna be like? But it was incredibly, I think well handled in talking about sort of the nuance and sort of like the challenging sort of politics
Starting point is 00:05:42 of like navigating that is like. One of the panelists is a gay man and drag performer and he does a lot of work for the panel, just being like, okay, so let me tell you. He does a lot of the heavy lifting. Let me tell you about what this is. But Tokui is also holding it the fuck down. Oh my gosh, for those of you who don't remember,
Starting point is 00:05:58 so there were kind of two consistent, funny guys on the panel. There was the one with the glasses, the one without the glasses. I can't remember his name. I know. But Tokui is the one without the glasses, who was kind of, in my head, the leader of the panel.
Starting point is 00:06:13 I think that is Yamachan. Yeah. That's his name. I remember it was Yama something, Ryota Yamasaka. We haven't finished much of the series yet. We're only two episodes in, but like, god dang. It's everything that I, when I saw the trailer, I was like, wow, this could be the heir apparent
Starting point is 00:06:29 to the Terrace House kingdom. And it seems like it's in that mark. They have like sweet little gimmicks too, to like, to make the relationships progress in a way that I've really enjoyed. They write anonymous letters to one another. And like, every- And they like have them, people are given the option
Starting point is 00:06:46 of who they wanna work with. And there's this big performance where they indicate who they have chosen. And it just feels very thoughtful. Also, if you love to be banal minutia of Terrace House, they have a set budget that's basically 6,000 yen a day, which is roughly 60 bucks or so a day for the whole house for everyone.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And there's one dude who lives in the house who is a bodybuilder and go-go dancer who drinks three gigantic boiled chicken milkshakes every day to maintain his fucking macros or whatever. And he ends up spending most of the money in the house. And so they have to have a house conversation like, hey man, you can't spend half the money in the house on your chicken milkshakes, it's fucking wild. It's got it all, man.
Starting point is 00:07:32 I'm so, so revitalized and energized by this program. You go first this week and I cannot wait to get into it. Yeah, so our last episode, which we just happened to record earlier this week. Two days ago, I think, or three days ago. Yeah, we got a little behind and now we're caught up and we mentioned the television program, Utopia, and I was ready to go.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Like the next day I like got on my computer, like I'm figuring this out. Literally texting me the next morning, like hey, check this, check this, let's do Utopia, check this. Yeah, and Griffin had the thought, and it's true, we're not a reality review program anymore. Anymore, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:18 And so this is not the start of a new trend, but I just couldn't wait. And so my topic this week is Utopia. I'm so stoked. You did so much more digging and I guess sort of excavating. There's a lot about this show that I think I have forgotten. I remember most of the brass tacks and of course the theme song.
Starting point is 00:08:36 That's what I think will be interesting about this because I found one full episode. I found episode two. There were only 12 episodes total. I found episode two, there were only 12 episodes total. I found episode two online. So I watched episode two to kind of refresh myself. But yeah, then I also read a lot of articles and like who the cast was.
Starting point is 00:08:54 I also found an interview with the host. The host who of Memory Serves had the vibe of like a science or perhaps kink YouTuber. Like there was something like undeniably, like he was just sort of a, I think bald, mustachioed man. Exactly, glasses. Glasses, maybe in like his late thirties,
Starting point is 00:09:16 who had sort of a vibe about him. His name is Dan Peraro, and he is apparently the creator of the subversive comic strip, Bizarro. And prior to his performance as host on Utopia, he had no television experience. And that certainly came through. Which isn't to say he did a bad job, but it was just like a, whoa,
Starting point is 00:09:38 I've never seen one of them like this do it before. So Utopia, now if you Google Utopia, there's like a movie and there also is versions of this show that happened in other countries. Cause this actually didn't start in the US. Yes. It died in the US. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Well, and somebody may have gotten a little overeager because what happened was Utopia debuted in the Netherlands in January and that same year in the fall the US launched their own version. So the season hadn't even finished when they started having these conversations, but it was a huge hit in the Netherlands and so US Fox jumped on it. This is so funny and such a like, I don't know, weird condemnation of the country of America, where like a show about like, let's restart society and form a bubble, a bubble sort of nation
Starting point is 00:10:39 where we will be self sufficient. I haven't even revealed that's what the show's about yet. Oh, right, sorry. The fact that that worked in the Netherlands and then in America, it was an absolute garbage fire is I think telling in a sort of broader cultural context. So, Utopia debuted in the Netherlands in January. It was the network's highest rated unscripted premiere
Starting point is 00:10:58 in six years and continued its winning streak as the number one series for 10 consecutive nights. So it was just like a huge smash. And so Fox jumped on the rights to it so they could green light it here. This executive who was new to Fox and was very eager jumped on top of it, partially because of the creator of Utopia, John DeMal,
Starting point is 00:11:24 who had also created Big Brother and The Voice. So everybody's like, this guy is a genius, he's got a new show, it's doing really well, let's jump on top of it. Utopia, I will say, in the Netherlands took place in the forest. It was not as manicured an experience
Starting point is 00:11:40 as the one here in the US. Okay, that's interesting. And apparently John DeMaual and the executive at Fox came to a lot of disagreements about their Fox's approach. And in a way that suggests that people were not happy about this show going for minute one, which explains maybe why they canceled it. Dude, so fucking much, so, so, so much.
Starting point is 00:12:00 It made it two months and then they canceled it. It was supposed to be a full calendar year. And wasn't it the most expensive reality show ever made? $50 million. That's for 12 episodes of television. You are not really doing your thing. And that's not including the like tech piece they did. Oh my God. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Okay. Okay. So it was filmed on a ranch in Santa Clarita, California. And the purpose of the show was to take individuals from out in the world, bring them to this ranch and have them start a new society. And so they were given like a barn and some animals and access to like water. And it was their responsibility to like set up electricity
Starting point is 00:12:47 and find a way to earn an income and build additional buildings. And it's a really interesting concept. And I think we were both really hooked by that in the beginning. Yes. Because we also love ambitious like disaster television shows sometimes of like,
Starting point is 00:13:05 we are both so deeply interested in how these shows get made and the audacity of this program was sort of undeniable. So part of the 50 million came from the fact that they built out the compound so that there were microphones and cameras all over, so there were no camera crews. So that the people on the space could really exist
Starting point is 00:13:29 as if they were in isolation, which of course added to the huge price tag. And then the idea was that they would be filmed 24-7 and that the show would air twice a week. And if you wanted to, and this is something I did later in the series, you could pay to get access to like a 24 seven stream on the internet.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Which if memory serves. Was $5 a month. Was also pretty gnarly because it was like fully uncensored 24 seven access to these actual people who are living on this ranch. Part of the theory about it being filmed in Santa Clarita, California and not in a forest was that they were really encouraging nudity.
Starting point is 00:14:19 They really wanted a mild climate, a lot of sun in which people would get nude as fast as possible. And if memory serves, there were quite a few people on this show who were fully down for that. Yes. Like completely down with that life. Yeah, so the show was cast in a very challenging way. Part of the biggest problem is that,
Starting point is 00:14:42 you know how every reality show has one or two contestants that you can tell were brought on to be divisive or to start stuff? That was like 90% of the people on Utopia. So let me tell you a little bit about the cast. Let's see what you remember. So there was Andrea, who was a vegan chef. Yes, I remember Andrea. Bella, who was a vegan chef. Yes, I remember Andrea. Bella who was a survivalist.
Starting point is 00:15:09 She was the one with the chickens. Do you remember? She had very strong feelings about the chickens. She wanted to build a chicken tractor so that the chickens could. Fertilize the. Yeah, like till the soil. And everyone's like,
Starting point is 00:15:23 we haven't even planted all the seeds yet. And she's like. She got really into the chicken tractor idea. Got very one tractor. There is a point also later in the show, it's actually the same episode now that I think about it, where they are drinking tap water. Bella has concerns about fluoride in the water
Starting point is 00:15:41 and wants to invest in a filtration system as soon as possible. Everyone's like, we are not spending our money that way. So she kind of isolated herself pretty quickly. There is Dave who had spent time in prison and reminded people about this a lot. I remember Dave, yes. Especially when it came to the purchasing of food.
Starting point is 00:16:06 So there is a point when they finally get the electricity going so they can make a call to have food delivered. And everybody's being thoughtful about like, we should get staples that don't cost much. And he feels very strongly that he should have access to food similar to the food that was in the commissary at the prison he was at. And so he really hits home.
Starting point is 00:16:29 He just wants ramen. He wants Vienna sausages. And he gets very upset when they start talking about things like brown rice and radishes and quinoa. It leads to this huge dispute where he starts like destroying some of the existing canned goods that they already have. There's a lot of conflict coming from him. And part of the reason that is happening
Starting point is 00:16:51 is another contestant by the name of Red. Oh, Red. From Kentucky, very thick Southern accent, has experiences as a handyman, a farmer, a moonshiner, a home builder, and a natural medicine man. And he and Dave start a separate faction. Do you remember this?
Starting point is 00:17:15 I do. The Utopia State of Freedom. So they get so upset about the way that their society is spending their money on food that they do not wanna eat or have access to, that they decide to do a splinterer group and they pull money from the safe so they can buy their own groceries.
Starting point is 00:17:34 And so- It's like the third season of Battlestar Galactica where it's like, there's not enough of you humans to fight against each other or the Cylons are going to absolutely annihilate you. Very much that vibe. So they do a grocery order, they get Oreos,
Starting point is 00:17:51 they get hamburgers, like they make their choice. And then they invite everybody in a nice little cookout. So they're like, but they're trying to get people to join their group. There is also Hex, what they always call her Hex the Huntress. Yeah. Jesus Christ, I have not thought about this show for years. She is one of the people that gets nude pretty early on.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Yeah, yeah. There is a preacher there who gets very upset about the nudity. Yes. There is Dedeker, do you remember her? I just remember that name, like you can't forget that name. I remember the name Dedeker. Yes.
Starting point is 00:18:29 She was the one who was all about polyamory. Okay, yes, okay, yes. And then there is the couple, so there's Bree who is 20 years old, and she gets in a relationship with Chris who is 25, and they spend a lot of time discussing where they can go have sex. Yes. Because there are cameras everywhere.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Everywhere, all over the place. And they have a very physical relationship. You can tell that it is very driven by lust. A lot of lake stuff, if memory serves. The problem is that Bree keeps saying stuff. So what even are we? How do you wanna define our relationship? And it's very clear, like Chris just wants to build.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Reality TV girlfriend. Yeah. Yeah. There are other people, there's a guy who is engaged. Now I can't remember the circumstances of this. There is a guy named Rob who comes to the show engaged and then marries his fiancee while the show is being filmed. Do you remember this? Vaguely.
Starting point is 00:19:24 They're like out in a field and the preacher marries them. So she like comes to visit him. And then they decided to get married at Utopia. No, I do remember that the preacher, I think like twists their ankle and then has to go to a real earth hospital. And it's like a big- Oh, I forgot about that. I don't know if that's the exact injury,
Starting point is 00:19:41 but like they have to go to the hospital. And then there's all this conversation about like, well, are they allowed to come back in? Cause that's very explicitly not our society. We have popped the bubble, I think, at that point. What I have been reading you, by the way, is from an Entertainment Weekly article they did when the show launched.
Starting point is 00:19:57 And what is delightful about it is they had everybody really represent their character. So the attorney, for example, is in a like three piece suit. Hex the huntress is actually holding a bow in her photo. And then the pastor looking very much like a pastor. And then Dedica. Dedica's just naked.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Was polyamorous. And so for them, Fox was like, let's really get on. Naked lady, yeah. Naked lady. Yeah. 2014, right? Theaked lady. Yeah, so. 2014, right? The show was on 10 years ago? Yeah, 2014.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Okay, so some depictions of these, let's call them archetypes, do not hold up to much scrutiny. No, no, no, no. And that is another problem with the show. I mean, there's obviously tons of problems with this show. But they, you know, it was Fox who at the time and for decades before really tried to capitalize
Starting point is 00:20:52 on salacious content. Right. You know, and so that is what they were trying to create with this show when meanwhile the premise itself was enough. Really good. But it ran from September 7th to October 31st. I remember the last episode was the Halloween special and the host was dressed up.
Starting point is 00:21:07 I can't remember, the host was like wearing something wild. I can't remember, but it was like, happy Halloween, canceled, end of show, after the Halloween special. I also remember that they let people in to their bubble. They let people come into their little commune so that they could like sell them like friendship bracelets and eggs so that they could buy their Vienna sausages.
Starting point is 00:21:31 They tried a lot of things at the end because viewership was way lower than they were expecting and it was happening like in real time. So they were trying desperately towards the end. And that's apparently there was no plan to kick people off the show, but that was a way they were trying to engage viewership. So people could get online and suggest
Starting point is 00:21:51 who they wanted to be removed from the show, which I guess they thought would pick up traction, but did not help. Tragic. I think that in the long history of American adaptations of reality television shows, Utopia deserves a monumental footnote of this is the one time where they tried something
Starting point is 00:22:15 and the sort of immoral decisions made by the network hosting the show and also just kind of the enormous cultural differences between the two countries that created these shows was too big of a burden to possibly overcome. It's so fascinating. I will just say the host that we mentioned earlier in this interview with TV Guide Magazine
Starting point is 00:22:44 talks about how they toned down his look for camera. That's incredible. But that he still felt very strongly about the mustache wax and he said that he even softened the mustache for his performance. The fuck does that mean? You saffoned your mustache for the performance. Yeah, Dan Perero met executive producer John Kroll at Comic-Con and when it came time to cast the host, apparently Kroll was like, you know that guy had a really good voice. Cool. So no television experience.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Love it. Every point of this, they had a path to choose and they consistently chose the wrong one, but I stand by the concept. Yeah, I don't even know that I would do that, of this, they had a path to choose and they consistently chose the wrong one. But I stand by the concept. Yeah, I don't even know that I would do that, but it was fascinating 10 years ago, especially, to have something like this on our TV.
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Starting point is 00:25:33 There was GamePro, Nintendo Power, of course, Electronic Game Monthly. My grandma used to get PC Gamer. PC Gamer, we got that for a little bit. Game Informer, but the one I always looked forward to the most was OPM, Official PlayStation Magazine. Monthly Magazine covered all sorts of news about PlayStation 1 and 2 and 3
Starting point is 00:25:50 and the PlayStation portable. And it's part of the Ziff Davis media empire, which like ran a billion magazines and a lot of them were sort of based around games or like digital media and stuff like that. OPM entered publication in October of 1997, nearly two years after the U.S. launch of the PlayStation one. And it ran until 2007.
Starting point is 00:26:12 This was back in the days where like a magazine could run for 10 years. And that was a thing that was possible for a magazine to achieve. It is vitally important for you folks listening at home who maybe this is an alien experience for to understand that this was like largely pre-ubiquitous internet. Yeah, so if you wanted like tips, this was where you had to go.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Well, for me it was less tips, right? For me it was like, if you wanted to know things about the games that were coming out, and I did like always, magazines were more or less about the games that were coming out, and I did, like always, magazines were more or less like your only way to find out what was coming. It was fairly easy to stay abreast of what Nintendo was up to because they have always followed the same model,
Starting point is 00:26:54 the same model that they have now, which is like a few huge tent pole releases that are advertised out the wazoo and like, you know, you go to Babbage's at the mall and they've got standees and posters and you know, they're pushing pre-orders on you. But the PlayStation, there was a ton of games that came out for the PlayStation and a lot of them were localized from Japan
Starting point is 00:27:14 with no fanfare whatsoever. So like, in order to find out what was coming out and have like a really good view of the landscape of like all of this whole ecosystem of games coming out for this, you know good view of the landscape of like all of this whole ecosystem of games coming out for this, you know, top of the line gaming console, like OPM and other magazines like it were like, what you use.
Starting point is 00:27:35 And I used to just tear through issues of this magazine. We had a pile of gaming magazines basically by every toilet in our house, which was two toilets, now that I'm thinking about it. And I would just tear through them, especially the previews, right? Cause I always wanted to know, I can still remember bylines. There was Thierry Scooter Nguyen,
Starting point is 00:27:56 who did like, I think was the previews editor maybe. Like I can remember that byline out of the top of my head, just because I read so many pieces written by them. And you would read about these big games that were coming out later this year, and I would just be chomping at the bit to play them. The best thing about OPM is you didn't have to wait sometimes to play those games,
Starting point is 00:28:18 because every issue of OPM came with a demo disc. It was the first gaming magazine to include demo discs for the PlayStation 1 and then later on the PlayStation 2. It would include a disc featuring a selection of trailers and playable demos of upcoming PlayStation games and like popular PlayStation games that were, you know, sort of had achieved classics status at some point.
Starting point is 00:28:43 You would toss the disc into your PlayStation, it would show this kick-ass 3D CG animation of like peak late 90s, early aughts, like animation of like, you know, a big explosion and a dragon made out of like eight polygons and like heavy metal industrial sort of aesthetic. And the wild thing about these demo discs is that the quality of the games presented
Starting point is 00:29:11 was a total crap shoot, right? So you would get the magazine in the mail, read through it, it would be like, oh, here's a preview of the new Squaresoft JRPG that's coming out. Chrono Cross coming out this summer, it's the summer of Square, it's gonna be huge. And go play it, because it's, Chrono Cross coming out this summer. It's the summer of Square. It's gonna be huge.
Starting point is 00:29:26 And go play it, because it's on this demo disc. You can go try it out. And the demos were always like custom made short slices of whatever the games, you know, previewed usually were. Sometimes what you got was a playable demo of 102 Dalmatians and then like six trailers for other shitty movie tie-in games.
Starting point is 00:29:51 So like you didn't know when you got the disc whether it was going to be like something, I remember we got one with this platformer I'd never heard of called Tomba that was like so fucking good, I played that demo so much. And then like the next month the disc that comes is like something completely awful. Well, I imagine it was hard to like have the content
Starting point is 00:30:11 like every month. Absolutely it was. Yeah, and that's why eventually the quality of the discs, I would say diminished over time to the point where like the later issues you would get maybe one demo and then a bunch of trailers and the demo would be like, this is Final Fantasy VIII, it came out three years ago, but if you still wanna try it, we have a demo for you.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Wow, and I think a lot of what gets people to play a game is kind of the mystery of it. So to put out a demo, you're kind of like already alienating some people potentially who are like, the demo suck, I'm not buying the game. Yeah, absolutely, I think that's true. But I think it was absolutely worth it for the good ones.
Starting point is 00:30:48 But not only that, for me, who did not have any money to spend on anything growing up, whose new game acquisitions were based entirely around Christmas and maybe one on my birthday, and then after that it was was like whatever I could trade in at Babbage's for store credit to like, so that funneled down to the point where I had like one video game basically.
Starting point is 00:31:13 And for me, these discs were free playable video games because I didn't subscribe to this magazine, but I think Justin did. Justin probably did most of these. These were free playable video games and that concept was so novel to me and so exciting that I ended up playing everything a lot. So I found this YouTube channel
Starting point is 00:31:33 that basically has uploaded playthroughs of every demo disc from the PS1 era, which is something like 52 discs. And I just picked one at random and I was just hurled into this like sinkhole of nostalgia. It was, what I looked at was disc 35 and I remembered this disc very fondly. It featured demos for Star Wars Jedi Power Battles, Destruction Derby Raw, Walt Disney World Racing Tour
Starting point is 00:32:04 and Play With The Teletubbies, all of which were horrible. They were so bad, but it also had a demo for the ninja assassination game Tenshu 2, which fucking slapped ass, was so, so good. It also had a trailer for Dave Meara Freestyle BMX and to round everything out, a PSA video from the Truth Anti-smoking campaign. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:32:27 It's everything you need on one, I had no idea it was so many. When you were describing it, I was thinking like two or three. That is a lot of content. It's a lot of content. Yeah. I remember playing all those games.
Starting point is 00:32:37 I remember looking at this like very kind of clunky looking user interface that they had put together to like pick which game and looking at play with the Teletubbies and being like, I fucking guess so, man. Like, I got nothing better to do. I don't have any new games. So I guess I'll play with the Teletubbies.
Starting point is 00:32:58 I don't have any real people to play with. Yeah, sure. I think I was talking with Justin and Travis about this like a couple of weeks ago. And since then, watching these like compilations on YouTube has been like my little treat, my little nostalgic treat for myself because I really, I engaged with this stuff so deeply
Starting point is 00:33:21 because it was to get little pieces of games for free and to have like this appetizer platter delivered every month was genuinely thrilling. There were a few other magazines that did it. I think there was a Dreamcast magazine that had like a demo disc set up on it too. And then once the PlayStation 2 came out, they did some PS2 demo discs,
Starting point is 00:33:44 some of which were were pretty great also. But yeah, this is an era that is so far gone, right? Because now I don't need a magazine for gaming news and I don't need physical media to play demos of games for free. But I don't know, when I was just a lad, that was the most exciting shit in the world for me, and it is not surprising at all that the path I then followed
Starting point is 00:34:13 started me off in the games press industry as soon as I possibly could. And so yeah, that was a very special match. That's very cool. Yeah, you talk about that and I remember that experience of going to Blockbuster and trying to rent a video game and literally having no idea, like, how am I supposed to choose?
Starting point is 00:34:34 Sure. And it was like, okay, well, this cover art of the little cool spot logo, that looks like a fun game. God, that explains so much about your origin story. Hey, do you wanna know what our friends at home are talking about? Yes. Corin says, something I find wonderful is when you realize you're holding more pages
Starting point is 00:34:49 in your left hand than your right when reading a book, meaning you're over halfway through. It's a small but wonderful feeling of accomplishment, especially if you weren't really keeping track of your progress. Oh, yeah, see, you know me. I still love a physical book. I love a physical book.
Starting point is 00:35:02 I love seeing a high percentage in the corner of my Kindle paper white. Same thing. Same thing. Jeremy says, my small wonder is riding my bike with a freshly lubed chain. Sometimes it's enough to make it feel like you're riding a brand new bike.
Starting point is 00:35:14 It's fantastic. I need to find, so I bought some accoutrement to like, you know, service my e-bike. Yeah. And I have no idea how to use any of it. So I need to find like a little video. You just goop the loop on there. Yeah, I mean, in my head it's like,
Starting point is 00:35:29 well, do I just goop it? But I have a feeling. You put the goop in your hand, and you run the chain through your hand and let it goop, it self-goops. Yeah, and then it's done, right? Yeah. I don't know, I'm gonna have to look at it.
Starting point is 00:35:38 My bike is belt driven. I think I just pop it off and throw it in the dishwasher. And it's good to go. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you to Bowen and Augustus for these, for our theme song, Money Won't Pay. I'll find a link to that in the episode description. We have some merch over at McElroyMerch.com
Starting point is 00:35:57 that you can go check out, including a new Find Fungalore poster. 10% of all merch proceeds this month go to the Palestine Children's Relief Fund. We also are doing some live shows later this week in Detroit and Cleveland. Come out and see us there if you live in those areas. We're doing Mbim Bam and Taz in Detroit and then Mbim Bam in Cleveland. And then we have a bunch more appearances coming up all over the country.
Starting point is 00:36:22 You can go to bit.ly slash McEloy Tours for all the information about that. And one last thing, if you're listening to this on release day, then yesterday, the Adventure Zone, the suffering game graphic novel, our sixth graphic novel adaptation is now out. If you are a fan of Taz, if you have enjoyed these books, it would genuinely mean the world if you would go to a bookstore that you like and pick up a copy. We signed a bunch of book plates to include in some of them with specific dealers,
Starting point is 00:36:51 and so maybe you'll get your hands on one of those, but it's genuinely a fantastic book, and I am so proud of it, and I want everyone on Earth to read it because I think it's really good. I will say, I have friends now who have children that are like middle school, high school age. And the focus for them is to get their child
Starting point is 00:37:12 to continue reading in the summer. And I have now had two separate friends who have had their teen really thoroughly enjoy Adventure Zone graphic novels. And it's very, very, very cool. So I feel like if you yourself are not interested in the graphic novel, but you have a teen that is, it works, man. A cool teen.
Starting point is 00:37:29 A cool teen. It's like fine with cussing. It has to be a cool teen, fine with cussing. That's it. Thank you all so much for listening. We'll be back next week with another episode of Wonderful. And you can check out the demo disc that comes with this episode of Wonderful.
Starting point is 00:37:44 It's got 15 seconds of the boyfriend on it. And there's- And then you can play as a boyfriend in the game. And there is a trailer for quantum leap. And- There is a fan fiction story about what would have happened on Utopia had the show continued. Yes, and a truth campaign video, but this time it's anti-vaping because it's 2024. fan fiction story about what would have happened on Utopia had the show continued.
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