Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 009: (TOS S01E07) What Are Little Girls Made Of?

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

This week The Gang watches Kirk and Nurse Chapel beam down to an ice planet in search of Dr. Korby. Two red shirts get killed by an android monstrosity called Ruk, kicking off one of the shows famous cliché. Majeed hosts this week, slightly insecure when he finds out his shoulders are smaller than The Ruk's. Tune in and get disappointed just like the gang when we don't find out "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" Drop us an email at [e-mail] Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Music Podcast Log From yet another Star Trek podcast The only podcast were three good friends get together and rewatch the episode of Run. A Star Trek, the original series. I am your host with tonight, Hujik. And if I could choose someone to do the amazing race with me,

it'd be this man, Drew, hi buddy, how you doing? I'm doing good. How are you? I'm good. I'm really good. I think I'm still riding a high from this morning's workout. You see the vat or a lack of sleep? I'm not sure which one is going to win.

I am well versed in the lack of sleep, but my workouts have been very inconsistent lately because of lack of sleep. Oh, my workouts have been very inconsistent lately, because of lack of sleep, well, you have to work out with me. Yeah, you know, if I, if I suddenly wake up at four o'clock in the morning for no reason, again, I'll keep that in mind. Yeah. I mean, you've called and texted me at that time. So it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to meet me at the gym. So we'll keep it in mind. OK. My other partner in podcast is here, the original transporter clone, Brad.

Brad, how you doing, buddy? I am doing fantastic, sir. Thank you for asking me how about yourself? It's going good. I'm happy you're back. And if anyone wants to no, we recorded two episodes the week before. So Drew and I had, well, I had the week off last week.

Drew was editing. Love you. Love you Drew. Thanks for working so hard. Ah. So I had the week off last week pretty much. And I signed up for Resetta Stone. And I took a Klingon course. So I'm gonna,

I know that you were well versed in Klingon, so I want to try this. Yeah, Kim, yeah. Yeah. I know the accents off, but it roughly translates to hybrid. How are you? It roughly translates to hybrid. How are you? I feel like that was just you trying to clear your throat. It does have some very, very flemmy properties and it doesn't it? Wait, don't cling on spit and cough on people when they talk. Anger really?

They do a lot of things when they're angry. That's right. I, listen guys, I'm not sure if you are aware, but every time we are ready to record an episode, there's some kind of news dropping that day for Star Trek. So, to, one at news, well, there's some newsworthy things. Today, they dropped another 11 minutes of gameplay for the Star Trek resurgence game.

And apparently you play as two different characters and you swap in between intermittently, which sounds interesting. Did they announce if this thing's coming out this year? I believe it is, but I don't have like an official date. I cannot wait to buy it on sale at Black Friday. They also dropped a trailer for Streams New World, it's a new one, focusing on Cadet Ujira.

I have not had an opportunity to watch it yet, but in the, I'll drop a link your way so you can play it on mute. Are they going to be like just kind of reusing some of the original series cast or is it? Yeah. Yeah. While you were gone. Or maybe we talked about this. We talked about it briefly. Kirk. Yeah, they recast Kirk. So there's a new Kirk in season two. I know that too, but like, is it, is it, that's the whole premise of the series. It's just, it's the original series

except strange new worlds. It's the original series before Kirk took the caps and share. Okay. So, I mean, here's, I'm willing to wait and see where they go with it, but I'm all for them focusing on new characters and largely against them, you know, just rehashing these roles. Ethan Peck did a pretty good job in, you know, portraying Spock and Discovery and he's going to be in this as well too.

And at least there's some sort of a precedent with Spock serving in the Enterprise under Captain Pike. But there's no precedent that Uhera did that I'm aware of. You know, and I'm, I don't know. I'm willing to give it a shot to your point, but I think I would prefer to have new characters and not just a reboot or reimagining or whatever it's going to be of the same original stuff. I really, I think we've gone that a few times already and I think I'm good with it right now.

I would like to hear some new news stories. The other thing that they did well, I mean, I think they're looking to tell a new story and give more background to a horror, which is cool, but it comes off in my mind as feeling a little fanfictiony and like there's another character who's supposed to be a relative of con. character who's supposed to be a relative of of con I'm not really crazy about that So a relative of con is gonna be in the yeah, yeah as part of the Enterprise crew Mean character interesting, yeah, I I hate that already. Yeah Do you know who con is? Yeah, he's the guy that screams out, can he screams out his own name, right?

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, at least she got the right movie. Hey, you know what, I hate you guys because I can see you on video. Like I'm watching you lie to me. To my face, to my virtual face, you're lying to me. Oh, that's a, that's a strike on both of you. Hold on a second.

Problem solved. He just turned off his video. I wouldn't jerk. You still get a strike out of here. I'm mad enough to lie to you in your face. So it's okay. Yeah, you lie to me to my face via text message a lot. I wish I could put some of these up on screen about Brad lying to me, but maybe for another day, maybe when I need to blackmail Brad. Okay. This week guys, we watched what our little girls made of. And, man, what a horrible name for an episode type. Yeah, I mean, I remember when we were looking at the list of episodes that were coming up

and you saw your name next to this one. And and after seeing naked time as well, like you were, you were a little confused. Yeah, not, not so, not quite as excited as you were about naked time. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm not, I'm not totally on board with the name of conventions. I'm, there's a possibility you did this to me on purpose. There's a possibility, but I didn't. So you're welcome. I look into those big brown eyes and I know you don't line to me. I don't know.

I'm going to raise my eyebrows to you, sir. So this week, the crew of the Enterprise traveled to Ice Planet X03 in search of Dr. Roger Corby, a scientist and the former fiancee of Nurse Chapel. Kirk attempts to level with chapel by not getting their hopes up, but it's immediately proven wrong when Corby contacts the ship and asks Kirk and chapel to be in down. Once on the planet, no one shows up. And if we know anything from this show, that's not like, you know, the best way to start a mission.

So Kirk is like, you know what? Send me some red shirts to die for me just in case. I'm just sending some red shirts. I feel like this is a sense of repetitiveness that's gonna be occurring in the show. Just a theory, just a theory. This is the first exposure to true red shirts. I think you've had at this point too, right?

If I remember correctly, yeah. Yeah, I think this is like the true red shirt cliche to start of something beautiful. Yeah. So who they have beamed down? They had red shirt Matthews. And was it Brown? Was this his name?

Uh, uh. There was another guy named Brown that was in there, but not Red. Yeah, Rayburn. In Matthews. Rayburn. Okay. Not only thing I think, no, not Rayburn.

So not the sunglasses. No, he doesn't hack your Instagram either. I'm Instagram either. The, the, the, the only fact I think of when Matthew showed up, he's like, hey, you know, come with me, Matthews. I'm like, oh my God, that guy looks like Wolfarrow. I'm like, how do they do this? I guess this is de-agent technology.

Does look a little bit like Will Ferrell. Wow. Yeah. So on the planet surface, they meet Brown, Dr. Brown. Dr. Brown, back to the future, inspiration. So they meet Dr. Brown, who is apparently Corby's assistant and he greets Kurt, he greets Chapel and distracts them as the huge and menacing lurch kills both the red search, red shirts. Well lurch. That was actually lurch. Was that actually lurch?

The guy who plays lurch, that was actually him. All right. All right. So before we go on, I just want to, because it bugging me for a while. I want to get pretty real with you guys. So just whatever answer you give me, I believe you. All right, here we go. Do you guys believe that Lertz or Ruck had bigger shoulders than me?

I'm going to go with no machete. He did not. Um, he's like literally twice your size. So he had bigger shoulders in me? Yeah. Alright, whatever, right? You know, I walked into this, I said I would accept their... But answer. But he also had bigger calves than me.

I said possible. Well, no, it isn't because he did. That's movie magic though. Dude, dude's big, dude. Six foot nine. Yeah. By the way, they called him Ruck, Ruck, his name. Yeah.

And I'm like, oh my god, the Ruck, what are you doing, the Ruck? That's... The Ruck is crooked. Oh, I'm so happy. I'm not the only one that heard that. I did too. Okay. Okay.

I'm like, there's no way. There's no way. That's impossible. If Rock called Kirk a Gibroni, it would've been all over. Well, you know what, he, when he picked up Kirk partway through the episode, I actually expect him to do a rock bottom. Oh my God, he was tossing them around like he was nothing. He tossed them around like a rented mules

red headed stepchild. Right. Kirk gets abused in every single episode and I love it. He does and he does. So I don't think he tore his shirt though. Not this one. No, but he was, he was, he was shirtless. Yeah, he was shirtless and pantsless and technically twice in the same scene because there were two of them anyway. Yeah, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Sorry, you're getting excited. So Doc Brown brings Kirk and Shappel

into a cavern where they meet Andrea and Corby. After Chapel and Corby do a little hanky, hanky. Brown pulls a weapon on Kirk. Andrea attempts to take Kirk's phaser with fails and then Kirk ends up shooting Brown with his phaser. Lurch, a K, the Rook, shows up, and again, Pins Kirk against the wall, like the red-headed stepchild.

We find out that Brown is dead and was actually an android. Queue dramatic music. Corby explains that he found the Rook among the ruins of the ice planet when he arrived and with his help learn how to make an enjoy its own. I feel like you're struggling not saying rock. That's another try. I guess another Dimmeri.

You have to a great start today. Yeah, Brian, you are killing it. Well, hey, you know what? The Dimmerer, at least the first one was both of us true. True. Yeah, but Drew can break even. You are still having fun running negative. Still have time, huh?

So, Corby proves that he can actually make robots, make androids by strapping Kirk, but as they get to a revolving table to make a sexy robot Kirk. As opposed to just a sexy Kirk? Well, yeah, I mean, sexy android Kirk. So every android that was made, or every person on on this planet has matching uniforms, right? We can all be in agreement with this. They all have matching color schemes. Some have less fabric than others apparently.

Yeah. Yeah. Andrea, they were like, you know what? I guess we can give her the same outfit, but let's give her a less close. And immediately that reminded me of those older memes about female armor in RPG video games. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I was like, yeah, you know, you, you, less is better. You can just like hit the actual parts of the fabric.

They'll be fine. Right. Right. Protect actual parts of the fabric. They'll be fine. Right, right. Protect the parts that mean anything. I was, I was in port taste. Boo on you, Jean Roddenberry, boo, boo. That was one of the immediate things that I thought of. It was like, yep, this is Jean's fantasy. I'm, you know, I'm trying not to like kind of keep rehashing that because I feel like, oh, this is Gene's fantasy. I'm trying not to kind of keep rehashing that

because I feel like, oh no, I promise. I feel like me in particular, I've kind of like really just beat that horse dead. But just give me two more. I think I have two more from this episode. And two episodes in, it's just, I'm not saying it's not justified. Yeah, it absolutely is. So Corby explains the Kirk that he wants to create a super Android civilization

filled with replicants. I mean, I guess similar to Blade Runner. I've never seen the movie. So I'm assuming a lot of things. That's not really just keep going. You're good. No, you said, I mean, this is these are replicants, right? I mean, aren't there replicants in Blade Runner? Oh, you mainly. Yeah. I thought you meant like the ones like replace humanity with antraids in Blade Runner. It was like, no, that's not blade runners about. The replicants is just the term that they used. Yeah. For the Androids. It's not like they're cloning, at least not that I'm aware of.

Brad, maybe you can, you can confirm there or deny that. They're not like cloning anybody and blade runner. No, I don't remember that. Robots. That's all. Well, yeah. So Yeah, no, I knew that because I, I didn't see the movie. It just got added to HBO Max. No, it's on Netflix. 2049 or the original. Both. Both are on Netflix.

So worth your time. Slow movies. Very slow. Science fiction. But, but worth your time. All right. You guys, he to first, he heard first, drew, totally recommends watching Blade Runner. I do. I'll stand by that. I second that. And in 2049 is excellent too. We're good, Brad. We have Drew's seal of approval. We don't need yours too. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I'll let you know.

So obviously Kirk's not okay with having an entire civilization with replicants. So he tries to escape but is taken away by the Ruck. Now, when he gets taken away, he does have a second chance to confront Corby. when he gets taken away, he does have a second chance to confront Corby. And after her little rough housing between the two is revealed that Corby himself is an actual android. What? Yeah. Yeah.

Chappel is horrified at the travel ice and causing her to reject Corby and possibly rethinking the last 20 minutes when she made out with Corby. Like sight unseen. He makes an attempt to claim he's still the same Corby, but Chappell will not accept him. Corby pushed to his breaking point that sides to end his own life along with Andrea. Wow. And scene. And scene. So I know we try to do the whole two sides of the coin. We try to talk about the positives.

We try to talk about the negatives. Writing down points about this episode. I won't lie to you, buddy. I'm skewing more towards the negatives. I have the first positive. All right, so let's start off with you, buddy. The first positive is we got the rock. We got the rock?

Ha, ha, ha. Is his, is the rock's music? Oh my God. It just, it just occurred to me that they are on a stone cold planet. Oh! My man. Oh, I want a lovely dad joke. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, that was, I will give you a golf clap for that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That was, that was great. We know at least one dead that would be very proud of that.

Yes, we do. But he doesn't watch wrestling. So it made his go over his head. He won't get it. Just make a star worse reference. It'll leave it at out. Brad, was that your only positive man? Because that sucks. That sucks. That's the only one. I get it. I'm totally happy that we got the Ruck, but I was hoping you had so real positive about the

episode. Um, No, there was really not much positive for me. Oh, man. All right. So, I mean, we got like Kirk half naked in the

merry go round thing. And it's like, I don't. I guess that could be a positive. Well, we did, we did start to see the cliche of killing the red shirts. That was another positive. Right. I will say one, one something that's that's pretty depressing is, I think it was the Will Ferrell look alike

that fell into the canyon and he screamed. What a missed opportunity for the producers of the show to not include the Will Helm screen. Ah! I don't know if it was as widely used at that point in like, in TV, it might have just been strictly a movie thing. I don't, yeah, when did that like start? That was like in the 1951.

Yeah, yeah. 1951, it was it was used as a standard. And it is an epic scream. If you want a good ringtone for emails or notifications. Get the Wilhelm scream. That's what I do. It's what wakes me up to get to the gym in the morning. It's free on Wikipedia.

Like, it's royalty free at this point. Yeah. Yeah, it's been around for a while. That's your alarm that wakes you up. How does your wife not kill you? I think it's difficult for her. There's a lot to want to kill. You know what was interesting to me was how replicant Kirk passed the Turing test at the dinner table.

He was talking with Chapel, and Chapel pushed her plate away. And she's like, hey, you can eat. And he's like, nope, Android's don't eat, mic drop. The entire time she had no idea that he was an Android and just having this completely normal conversation. And that's what essentially the Turing Test is, right? That's what,

um, what was it? The SS X Machina taught us that movie? Yeah, I mean, like, so, so what are the questions in the Turing Test, you know, um, uh, Brad, when you passed the Turing Test, what are the questions that you were asked? Are you a human? Right. Brad was asked to choose every image with a fire truck. Identify what is a car. I'm trying to see. Now you got me looking up like specifically what the questions are.

I know what it is. Me too. I mean, it's like just trying to find, you know, the series of questions to determine whether or not it's a machine or a man. I guess there isn't like a specific thing. Yeah, the term test itself is just a process of, sorry, identifying artificial intelligence in the machine. Right. I mean, I guess the question is this really was was that Robot Kirk actually alive or was it just a Chinese room? So

Yes I mean he was pretty convincing but but you know Yeah, obviously quite I mean Spock's Spock's's soft through him with his, so well, I think, I think I had to see through that. So I think Kirk did that on purpose. Oh, 100%. Yeah, he absolutely did. He emphasized that like when he was doing the scan, it was like,

emphasize on like that portion of frustrating, like frustration towards Spock. So therefore you would, I don't, you would outlast. I don't think that that was Kirk showing frustration towards Spock. So therefore you would, I don't, you would outlast. I don't think that that was Kirk showing frustration towards Spock. I think that was Kirk planting a, planting a seed, planting a seed for the robot to pick up on. I don't think Kirk believes that at all. I think Kirk value Spock as his friend and doesn't feel that way about him, but he knew that Spock would know that. And he did that purposely, so that Spock would pick up on the red flag, which he did quite quickly. But they didn't come to the rescue

until after everything was done. It could have easily turned into another fight scene where Spock backhand curved across the room, which would have been equally entertaining. If this was Jim, I wouldn't be able to hit him in the face repeatedly. Right. So during that conversation with Chapel

and Replicant Kirk at the table, and she pushes her food away, did you guys get the impression that maybe she could also be an Android? Did she have like, did we see her take any bites of it? Nope, nope. I think I'm pretty certain that she was caught up in a conversation, had none of the food, and then just pushes the tray away. I'm like, are you sure, are you sure this isn't just like a 1960s subversion of like making women not want to eat?

Maybe. I didn't go that far. I was just thinking that, oh, M. Knight, Shymlon, you know, here's your inspiration, but he wasn't born for a few years. Right. Gede, I think you just started some great day foundation for nice conspiracy theory there, buddy.

Do we have music for that? No, I'm sure we could find something. Okay. Guys, the episode's so ridiculous. I'm sorry, I really, I'm trying to think of some of the positives. There weren't any. But what about Rock's massive strength? Like how cartoonish was it?

Well, how cartoonish was it? Every single time he like man handled Kirk. Yeah, that reminded me of of Jaws from the James Bond films. Yeah, he was just man-hailing James Bond. And then he has an off switch. Do you think was Kirk on like a wire

when that was happening? He had to be. Had to be. Yeah, he was flying all over the place. Right, right. And we know William Shatner weighs more than 100 pounds. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe not back then,

because he was, he was tweet. He was. He was so tweet. So there's a part of the episode where Kirk takes Andrea hostage. And, sorry, I'm trying to keep it together. So he takes Andrea hostage and all of a sudden does this bummy combat role. He does a combat role behind the table and then shoots a doc brown.

Yeah. It was the kind of combat role that you do as a kid when you're playing soldiers in your living room with your cousin. All I could picture is like every dark souls beam. Oh my God. Which is rolling. Rollins.

It was one of those fat rolls when you have way too much armor on Yeah, yeah, it looks so painful there there might be footage of me on film doing one of those rolls when I was a kid Let's can we find it? Yeah, yeah me and my buddy Dave used to make home movies when we were growing up and We were trying to do this this action movie and I'm in his backyard and there's supposed to be a sniper up on this like deck far away shooting down at us. The sniper was 10 feet away but you know up on a deck on the second floor of a house right? A perfect vantage, perfect vantage and not completely you know you can't see that right completely invisible to the naked eye 10 feet away. So I did a dive role and like came up and tried to shoot at him and yeah, it was it was pretty bad. I I wonder if I can one up you just a little

bit. Please do. We we went paint bowling. Back when I was almost at my heaviest. Yeah. And A, it's a pain in the butt to try and get on the gear and the C. But to be as immobile as I was, not having much, you know, in the way of A, stamina, strength, trying to do a semi-cartwheel train, trying to do a semi cartwheel combat roll behind the log and getting my my rear end just shot up with paintballs. The other team described it as and I quote, like you were stuck in slow motion. I was gonna say, I can see this, I can see the matrix lobby scene all in slow motion.

But you just get the bulls are just going really fast. Right. Everything is just like, you know, paint everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I've never told that's Thursday anyone. So let's keep it between us and the rest of the world. You mean the listeners.

You mean the rest of the listeners. Oh, that's wonderful. Thank you for sharing that with world. You mean the listeners. You mean the rest of the listeners. Oh, that's wonderful. Thank you for sharing that with us. You're welcome. So I went, I did a little research. I usually do now that I watch the episodes and I'm hosting. I do little research because the outfit

that Andrea was wearing, it was shocking, right? And having just the doors will show up in as she comes with, you know, barely their fabric. And I'm like, man, all right. So we discussed last week that this was, in fact, a gene Roddenberry approved story. Like he had, must have final cut on the script or something He had the final say right so I went looking for Information on when more women started to be involved with with Star Trek so The first female director of a Star Trek TV show

was back in 1989. I've been TNG them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, her name was Gabrielle Beaumont. Oh yeah. And she directed the episode Booby Trap. Oh, that's a great episode. Yeah, that's a season three episode. Nice. That's a really good episode. Yeah.

And what the original series was in the 60s, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it took us very long time to kind of get to where we are, which is fantastic. And then I said, okay, that's great. There was also supposed to be a female director for Star Trek IV, for the Kelvin timeline. There was supposed to be a female director. She eventually dropped out. So we're still waiting on a female director for the films. We do have a number of female directors and producers on the new series, though.

Yeah. Yeah, which is fantastic. Yeah. No, it's a very, very diverse production crew as well as cast for all of them. Picard, Discovery, even Lower Decks, you know, all of that. So in those terms, I think you've definitely come a long way, but, but not to downplay anything, but you also had some people that were involved in the production of the original series that were using pen names. DC Fontana. DC Fontana.

Yeah, DC Fontana. She was the first woman to serve as a writer. She served on Charlie X. Yeah, she served as Charlie X. She didn't get the credit, she didn't get the writing credit. But it was, she adapted the story from Gene Roddenberg's one sentence, what have Charlie got powers. Something like that, what have Charlie got powers for a day. And then, you know, it's, we joke around a lot about like, you know, Jean's hornedogadness, but he did a lot, I think,

for women and minorities, you know, in the original series. And maybe it's not all, you know, up front, you know, somebody like DC Fontana, if she wasn't using a pen name, she wouldn't have been able to do that. And I think that was a Hollywood thing more than a star trek thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah, sadly, DC, Montana passed away in 2008. No, 2008, I believe. Yeah, but she was involved to star trek all the way up until her passing.

Yeah, yeah, she was involved a lot within TNG as well. Drew, I want to say this is probably a very proud moment for me. It is now officially a time where Majida surpassed my Trevia and has grown off to be a true nerd. And I want to say Majida, I'm very proud of you. A little boy has grown his own wings. Or should we say he grew his own warp ness cells? I mean, I mean, the way I know it is because I'm just listen to this conversation. I'm just like, man, what a button. A bunch of nerds. Yeah, but you're also jet-lined.

Everything we say to you right now is like, oh, God, oh, God. I'm not sure if you guys are patronized in me or not. With Brad, it's kind of tricky. So I'm just going to take it as that, Brad. Thank you. It is from the deepest, most darkest bond mist of my heart. Is this a ruse? Are you trying to get the merits removed from your record? No, no, no deceptions here. Okay. All right. I believe you.

And you you're not getting it to merit removed. Just just so we're on the same page. Oh, I'm pretty fine. I need to try to increase the number. Oh, God, I forgot. You're you're you're going for gold aren't you? Man, if I don't get the highest score in each episode then it's not worth playing Drew's the shame who has like yeah, I get the video game reference Yeah, I totally get the video game reference to but

The viewers may not so why don't you explain it to them. High score. Explained done. Was at it. You know it, sir. OK. Oh, Brad, I listen, it's so fun with you guys. I love it. It makes it even better that I can see your reactions and how sick me sometimes you are. It's fantastic. All right, so we've gone over the sexiness of shirtless Kirk and the Turing test, but

lurch. This is the first time I've seen lurch outside of the Adams family. If you guys if the listeners at home or in a car or in a gym or at work or in a meeting aren't aware, this actor was in the Adams family, the original Adams family, which is a treat. And as I'm looking at pictures of him, I'm pretty sure he's wearing pads, so his shoulders aren't as big as mine. So when, when for me, shoulders aren't as big as mine. So when, when for me, which is what I said in the beginning, it's not as big as you. I don't know. I didn't have that technology back in the 60s. They didn't have padding back in the 60s. No, or makeup. There's no makeup. Oh, there's no makeup. I mean, he's wearing tons of makeup, but they definitely didn't have shoulder pads. Oh, man. Trouge is just trying to hurt me. Just natural shoulders here, baby.

Would you guys thought of a Lurch Performance outside of Adam's family? Ah, I think, you know, I actually really enjoyed it, man, cause like I'm a huge classic TV style. I always love that type of stuff. He's probably like one of the more noticeable characters for me, thinking about how I grew up, the admins family, the monsters, things like that.

And it was a little treat, a little easter egg. All right, nice. And you know what? I think this is the first time that he spoke in sentences, because lurch never spoke in complete sentences. Correct, nice. I mean, and you know what? I think this is the first time that he Spoken sentences right because lurch never spoken complete sentences correct. Yeah, it was mostly you Yeah, I mean, I never really watch a ton of the Adam family when it was younger, but I've certainly seen it and You know, it was it was kind of cool seeing a Similar yet different type of character with you know a little bit more to it, you know, yeah, he certainly stood out like, you know, back then there weren't a lot of people that were that height.

So somebody that's, you know, naturally six foot nine standing next to William Shatter who, you know, I don't think he's all that short, you know, it's... I have to admit though, with like the episodes we've seen previously to this point, his appearance just threw me off in two points where I was not expecting it. Yeah. In any sense, it was just like, I'm expecting some sort of ice monster maybe,

some sort of robot like thing, but then we see him and that's not what I expected in a robot. The, um, so just really quick. Lurch is what, however tall he is six something, right? 6.9, 6.9, I think. Okay. So maybe an inshort of the Drew. Um, what I'm shattering. We are shattering is listed at 510.

But I mean, this is Wikipedia, this is IMDb. William Shatter. Yeah, there's a full foot on them, didn't it? Yeah. William Shatter is most likely like five foot two, right? I mean, people lie in a resume all the time. Those are real, the real height of Shatter. Right.

People lie all the time. Shadner, please don't. Please don't hurt me. I have to speak the truth. This is going to sue your ass. We can always talk about it when he comes on the podcast. I would just like to say for the record that the views and opinions of Maggi

do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the rest of the podcast. I can. Oh, hi. All right, you guys left me out the dry. It's lovely. Yeah. That's kind of how we do it.

All right. Another ridiculous thing other than the rock being, you know, strong as hell. Guys, real life Kirk seduced an injury. He seduced an android. He got Andrea to he logically confused her to to make out with him. Yeah. Yeah. It's so ridiculous. And I was like, I, I kind of, I mean, I know we all horned dog, um, yeah, Rod and Mary, but what if it was like Kirk being like, I want to make out with it.

Yeah, I could totally be in it too. I just been, I don't know, man, like, this is the first time though I was like truly smitten with a guest star on this show. Woo! Yeah. Oh man, it's the AT&T girl over again. We don't talk about that here. If you want to give Brad a dimerit. Can I take one of my dimerits and give it to him?

Hey, no, yours are not transferable. Oh, I was going I was having a full like moment of confession here. And I'm I'm sorry, buddy. This is a safe place. But but I think I kind of get what you're saying. A fairly attractive a fairly attractive woman shows up. I particularly prefer her over a mud's women. Yeah. I don't. Green dress girl, mud's woman for the win. Fair enough, fair enough.

Yeah, I'll take Andrea though. Just a little turn out. Yeah, well, you guys can fight over her and he has bigger calves than you. So good luck. We can do a we can do a spot-cut fight. You know, right? You'll be spot. You just manhandle me. Right. Right. Seekerly, Brad loves it. He's like, you've hit me. You've hit me. But I think to me, this is thinking about the previous episode though. It's a bit of a change of what we've actually seen so far. Yeah, the story is you know for the to me is a bit of a different pace,

different way they were going for things. There were a few things I kind of expected like things like things to pop up like they're on a nice planet They're gonna freeze to death or something, but no that didn't show up Yeah, they beam down to the planet in no protective gear. Yeah, no and Nurse chapel was like wearing short or her skirt and short sleeves and I was like what about if it was cold Don't you need some sort of protective coat? Well, I guess they were like in the cave, so you know, it's a fairly cave is so much warmer.

Yeah, I guess, I guess. You know, it's kind of interesting that you bring up like this lack of attention to detail because like looking at the production cycle of this one, up to this point, we've been talking about these episodes that were produced earlier on and before they were released, right? Episodes, like, when no man has gone before was like the second episode to be produced, but it was like the third or fourth to air. This one was the opposite way around.

This was produced 10th and release 7th. So it's kind of a little jarring and I'm wondering if they were already kind of hitting their mid-season slump. Yeah, that's a real thing. You know, and it's pretty early. I'm hoping that this doesn't, you know, kind of foreshadow what's to come. I hope it, see, like to me, I'm kind of hoping it does foreshadow, but in a different way, more of like we get different stories.

I think having like the, was it almost back to back, God complex episodes That kind of like threw me off in the sense where The the in the lack of inhibition episodes Where inhibitions kind of went out the window and having a different change in pace. I'm looking forward to having Potentially more diverse stories, more interactions. I mean, how did you feel about this one then in comparison to what we've seen? Because this is kind of a different, you know, a different look.

This wasn't a God story or a lack of inhibition story, you know? I enjoyed it for what it was. It was the second time we've gotten another double Kirk though. That's true. That is true. That's a fair point. That is fair. Very fair.

Which wasn't like, it was like the last episode, or was it the one before that? The one before. I didn't even say that. Yeah, I was. I mean, near back to back. Double Kirk episodes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the Kirk EyeBang Kirk episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, I think the I bang in Kirk. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like it's clearly robot Kirk was like, I'm a sexy bitch. That's what I mean latitude he had. I mean, technically evil, transporter Kirk was also like I'm a sexy. I'm a sexy man.

Look at me. We don't we don't talk about that Kirk. That Kirk is evil. That Kirk was really evil. And you know it because he had the eyeliner on. Oh yeah. Didn't Kirk get didn't robot Kirk have eyeliner on? I don't think so. No, he would just it looked like that when he was I maybe some eyeshadow Kirk. Maybe. I think the same thing. Highliner and I don't think the same thing. Highliner and eyeshadow. I think the same thing. I don't either.

So I don't know. I mean, I think eyeshadow goes like underneath your eyes and on your eyelid. Whereas the eyeliner goes like on the edge of the lid. Somebody call one of our wives. Well, get an answer. No. No, that she's going to want to hop on and record with us and talk about Yoda. No, more like we'll just get called nerds and they'll laugh that. Yeah, no, this is maybe the straw that breaks the camel's marriage. Hahaha.

So, another, I promise you, this will be my last ridiculous thing I'm gonna point out about the episode. But, when Corby and Andrea and Kirk and Chapel were talking and Chapel says, hey, did you really build a gaysha, a love robot? The conversation was basically, hey, are you banging this thing? And Corby's response is, well, I mean, there's no emotion behind it. He didn't say no. He wasn't disagreeing to banging the robot. It was denying it was to get implication. Right. You know, all he said was, well, she'll do whatever I tell her to. Like, buddy, will you that little need on there? So I guess the leads to other questions now is that in the beginning, they state that two other search parties attempted to find him and they couldn't.

That's because they all fell down the pit. Hahaha. To the watch. They didn't say they died. They just said they failed to find him. And so does that mean like, like he just didn't want for some reason contact anybody until now because it wasn't ready with his gaysha robot. I can't I can't focus on your question because of Drew's screen. It wasn't it wasn't the will helmscreen it was Drew getting stabbed.

Wow. It's such a ridiculous scream. Is that my bad vibrato? Oh my god. Sorry Brad, everything that you just said. It's fine. Drew just took the wind out of it buddy. Can I give you a dimerra now? Yeah, no, I deserve it.

I'm giving you a dimerra now. The first one from this is my cheeks are from laughing so hard. I'm really bad at impressions too. Oh my God, if this were one of those 80s movies where for Drew is lost in the woods, But Drew is lost in the woods. It's attacked by the monster. That's it. Do it again, buddy. Ah!

I don't think anybody wants to hear that. Oh, man. That was loud for even me, Drew. Oh, man. I'm sorry. It was a little close to the mic. So what was what was Corby doing? I'm certain that Corby was taking those folks and using them as material, because remember, Andrea had life like skin. So it was soil and green. It's made of people.

So I totally get that reference. But I don't think that it's a movie from the 70s. And people are buying this thing called soiling green or they're Soil and Green and it turns out it's made from people. Oh, like Slabby Joe's. What the where are you? I school Kevin series. Oh, God. Oh, man, I feel like that's that's like some sort of joke from goose bumps.

Oh, what a great book series. Oh, Arles time. We love you. Yeah, I'm 100% okay with that. He's still around. I don't know. I just said it. Yeah, he's still around. We don't don't say that like it's common knowledge. How dare you? All right. Don't say that like it's common knowledge. How dare you? I didn't know that. I don't know.

I don't know ages and math. Math of things. Don't look at me that way. Anyway. All right. So before we wrap this up, is there anything else, anything ridiculous or otherwise that maybe we didn't cover yet, guys? Can we talk about the stalagite that Kirk ripped off the ceiling of the cave?

So the giant rock shlong? Yeah. The very same. Oh, the, oh, the Vainey one. I was wondering what that was. Have Vainey, have Vainey piece of rock. It's such a memeable picture. I'm kind of surprised we haven't found memes of that before.

Well, I think maybe, maybe that's our homework. We should, we should start changing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, what was he gonna do with it? Like, was he trying to... Obviously, you know, sit on it. Oh my God, it was like... Brad's like, I didn't even think about that.

Kirk was just like completely immobilized by Ruck. The Ruck. That whole scene though was kind of ridiculous where he knows rock can like imitate somebody else's voice. I know. And he calls out as in, was he called out as chapel I think it was? Yeah.

He's like, Christine, is that you? And I'm like, what are you doing dude? Come on, you know, rock's chasing you. Why would you assume that's her? What a dope. What a maroon. I knew you're gonna say that. I love it.

Yeah, there's some memeable photos of him. I didn't like the episode. I mean, we've gone over this, right? We're basically beating a dead spot with a horse. I didn't like the episode. You're beating? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm just spock with all the horse.

I'm just picturing this horse flailing around as it's being swung into an already dead spot. I was going through one analogy. And I went and I thought of another and they somehow got combined. So you get what you get and you don't get upset. Oh my God. It's wonderful. So we've talked about it a lot.

Like none of us like the episode. So let's just get into it. Let's rip the bandaid off. Let's hold up our cue cards. What do we rate the episode? What score are little girls made of? Oh God. I can tell you this much.

They're not sugar spiced and everything nice. On a scale of 1 to 10, just on a title alone, it gets a one on the episode overall, we'll give it a three. I'll give it a three. What about you, Drew? Yeah, this is this was not pretty. I was down right board pretty much the entire time I was watching this. And it just really didn't hold my attention. It never grabbed my attention to begin with. If I were channel surfing, I would probably skip this.

Just really not a fan of this episode at all. I like what they were trying to do, but they really just, I don't know, I think they just dropped the ball in the execution. I love your consistency with how you rate these. You're like, okay, how would I rate this in a way of, okay, it's Sunday afternoon. I have my IPA in my hand and my goal slugger. And I'm scrolling through the game.

Goal slugger. I don't know what you drink. I don't drink goal slugger. What about IPAs? Yes, sir. Lockers. Yeah, lockers are great. I don't know what you drink. I don't drink gold slugger. What about IPAs? Yes, sir. Loggers? Yeah, loggers are great. That's the only beer I know.

Gold sluggers, loggers and IPAs. Well, gold slugger is not a beer. It's a hard alcohol. So, yeah, and it has like gold flakes in it. Yeah, and it's spicy. I don't appreciate you guys man's playing this to me. I don't drink alcohol like that. How dare you?

You don't drink alcohol at all. That's fair. I mean, I'm training. So start with the Pignaclottos. So, GD, you're sitting on your sofa in a Sunday afternoon with your fireball and your peach snaps. Fireball was the best.

What is Pippu doing on my couch? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha his, his, uh, Madori Sour, or his, uh, sex on the beach. Oh, you know, it's funny. How many of those have like, this and when, when you started that, I'm like, oh, he's going to say protein shake and you went into a different direction. So I love it. Uh, I guess you can throw in the, uh, no, that's probably more acrothodru, like he would be sitting with the protein

shake and drink. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which I've done before. Well, I mean, you know, you got to catch up to rock shoulders. So the rock. Anyways, Mijee, just just skip leg day. You'll be once up close. So, so all that said, all that said, I really did not like this episode. I think I'm gonna give this a two. Wow, that's the lowest one yet.

Yes, by far. One by two points. Well, still low. Yeah, yes. What about you, Brad? Man, I'm actually kind of blown away with like how poorly you guys are creating this episode. I like thinking about the story,

it was not like the most original in a sense. Like I've seen things like this before and other science fiction type things. I wasn't overly entertained, I wasn't overly entertained, but I didn't, like, I wasn't entirely bored, so to speak, like you were true. I actually felt it pretty easy to go through and keep watching. There's been plenty of other Star Trek episodes that I didn't really, like, I had not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that.

I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm maybe a little too generous with this, but I'm leading it at five.

Five. Okay. Because to me, when we had the conversation, I think it was the first episode, and I was rating the first episode at a one. And I really disliked a lot of the attributes from the cage. The way the cage was, the way it was handled, like things actually bothered me in some of those mannerisms that didn't age well in time. And like to me, there were some things that could have been better,

but nothing that really pushed it to a, that overboard limit where I would go below, like the cage in that sense. I'm a little taken aback with how rough you guys are grading this one. We don't talk about the cage. No, no, you're right. I applaud you.

That was my bad. Well, I think the difference is, is that with the cage, I was fascinated by what they were trying to do and where it ended up. So like, you know, just seeing like all the things of as far as like even just the enterprise that they hadn't ironed out yet or the character of Spock and how he was portrayed and just all these little things that we take for granted, you know, even as early in as the second and third episode of the original series. I can understand that, but I felt like with that episode, it felt more jumbled up. This episode there was there was a little bit of that where like the robot Kirk went to, and the or even even the experience. So I'm, again, maybe I'm just being too generous,

but I think it's a five for me. Well, that's fine. That's fine. I'm not, I'm not downplaying what you're saying. I just, I don't think that the things that you're giving at praise for are enough to, to reward it. Okay.

In my opinion, just fair enough, fair enough. Just because like, yes, it is a cohesive story and it's it's laid out better than the cage was. We are all allowed to disagree. Yeah, no, but I think it's a good point of debate, you know, which is something that we we don't do often on the show, we're usually pretty well grouped with our scores. Yeah, I think to me, this is probably one of the few episodes that I know I've been like a point above you guys or a point below or something, but I think this is like, to me, like the,

like I think back to our original conversation when we were talking about the cage and you said that there's potentially areas that are really like episodes that are really bad and I think maybe because it didn't offend me that's why it's not going much below that and don't take it as like anything like oh this is the episode that you need to do see take it is like anything like, oh, this is the episode that you need to do. I feel like you don't like if you just happened to come across it, you probably are going to skip that channel and go to the next one. But you know, if you're a fan and want to watch every single episode of Star Trek, and this is one of those episodes that you come across. To me, I feel like you're more likely

to want to skip the cage than this one. I just for the record too, I think that anybody that's watching Star Trek in order, whether it's this show or next Jan or whatever, I believe they should watch every episode. Because I think it's important to experience the lows So that the highs are much more rewarding That makes sense. Yeah, so I wouldn't discourage anybody from watching this

I just I think I would discourage them from watching it a second time Yeah, but I think to the point though is like I from watching it a second time. Yeah, but I think to the point though, is like, I, if thinking about just watching the episode as is, I don't feel at any point that I just like, I'm gonna end this episode. I'm not even gonna bother watching the rest of it. I can tell you this much though, with the first episode,

the cage, that happened to me a few times during the episodes that I was just like, I don't wanna deal with this. Yeah. All right, guys. So I think we've beaten this spot course well enough. And we can look forward to moving on from this, this episode where clearly no one decided, no one looked at this for quality control. So let's move on.

Next week, we'll be moving on to episode eight entitled Mary, not to be confused with Siri. But on this episode, everybody's like Siri just kind of like pops on right now. Is that how it works is Siri that that vulnerable? It can be depending on settings. That's so bad. So next week we'll be watching Mary, which is the eighth episode released. The Enterprise discovers an Earth-like planet that was devastated by a horrific and degenerative disease. It is now populated entirely by old children. and is now populated entirely by old children. Benjamin Button.

Populated by old children. Yeah, that sounds, that sounds Benjamin Button. I mean, that's basically what we are. We're old children. That's what my wife calls me do. Yeah, I'm a giant child. I have toys on my desk from Ghostbusters. So I'm an old child. I feel like we may like this episode. I mean, it can't be better than the episode we don't talk of. The kids just said we don't talk about it. You know, it's fine. You know what,

it's all right. So I can't wait. Thank you again, guys, for tuning in. Thank you guys for recording with me. Always a pleasure. Until next week, everyone. Thanks for tuning in. Bye. See you later. Thanks for listening. Hi everyone, thanks so much for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast. We're a part of the Retro Sessions Network. This week episode of Recorded on March 29, 2022 and is hosted by Brad Drew and me, Majid. As always, Romulan hostage, hostage negotiator, Drew, edits the episode each week to make the sound good.

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