Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 044: (TOS S01E26) Errand of Mercy

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

Join Brad, Drew and Majeed as they encounter classic Klingon nemesis Kor, in "Errand of Mercy." Will this episode show mercy on our hosts? Will Kirk learn to play Chess? Or does he only know how to play Checkers? And, what are the Organians really doing? Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Good day and welcome to yet another Star Trek podcast. I'm your host for the day. Brad, not Brad for the day, but host of the day. Just so everybody is clear on that one. I as usual, joining with me are the two most silly people I know. You have Mad Dog, Drew, and you have Slamdown Magi. Is that my porn name? Well, we were talking about, you know what, I was gonna go for wrestling names, but, you know what, we can go for, is that something?

Man, dog, Maggi. I mean, slam dog can work for either the porn name or a wrestling name. That can be my finishing move. In either genre. That's your finisher. Yeah. Tell them it. How you been? How's everything going? It's life happens. Drew, unfortunately, has bad news right from the start of this podcast. I've had a rough week. And just the cherry on top, five minutes before we sat down. Again, first world problems and all.

Like, you know, I guess I'm fortunate to have these issues, but like, you know, I have a dead monitor. I don't know why. I don't know why. I don't know why. Like, it's honestly like to me, when you think about it, your problems are just so much more rough than what I'm going through

of having only about four hours of sleep each night and a baby that's crying. I did technically do it to myself. I did technically do it to myself. I will just throw in that I too operate on four hours of sleep. And it is not baby related. That's work related. So fair, fair, fair.

Mijit, how about you? How are you sleeping? I need some cuddles. I'm up at six. I'm up at six every morning. I am able to get to bed. That's cute. He says cute.

That's so funny. It's like those are. I go to bed. I'm probably knocked out at maybe 11, 1130. And this is after I'm watching. I got into the habit of taking my Kindle, my HD fire. And I'm reading on it until I am falling asleep at the Kindle. And I'm like, yes, I'm just ready to go to bed now.

So it's been my go to for the past few weeks now. It's great, man. I wake up, I feel refreshed, but sore, like right now, I'm really, really sore. Not from sleeping. I drew nose wide and sore. I don't think I don't think Maji is allowed to really make content stop it anymore, Drew. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so just as an example, right, I go to bed at 8.30 at night to wake up at 2.30 in the morning to be at work for 4.30 in the morning.

Last night, last night, I was so tired, I got home from work because I got stuck in traffic. Is that in traffic for an hour and a half? No, well, first of all, I got stuck, I was stuck at work late and then I got stuck in traffic. Is that in traffic for an hour and a half? No. Well, first of all, I got stuck, I was stuck at work late. And then I got stuck in traffic. So I got home at 430. And instead of working out, I fell asleep on the sofa for an hour. And then I woke up eight dinner and then I went to bed. And I only got one extra hour of sleep. What? All of that. And you know what? You know what, man?

Guess what's coming this weekend? The weekend. We're going to be losing an hour on Saturday night. Ah, I don't need it. So, well, isn't it? No. Did they pass a law saying that it's going to be like, this is the last time?

No. This is the last time? No, I don't think that's the truth. I think it was something that they voted on in the house, but I never passed Senate something like that. But it's not me a law. Hey, Hey Drew, what's traffic? We have me.

We have a pretty like, like, street, nose, and nose on this podcast that I'm about to break. I, you know, I feel like I feel like that's just a me and Majid that was that was very mean. So I wanted I wanted to ask Majid about his trip to Starfleet Academy. I heard that you've been a star, you've been away from the pod for a little while. You've been, you went to Starfleet Academy and they, they kicked you out because you tried to take an upper hacker and one of the bathrooms. They had it coming. They had it coming. Um, they had it coming, God.

Oh, it's, it's probably the worst thing to say is for, for the justification of doing something illegal is they had it coming. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They didn't have it coming. It was all my fault. The lights. It was dark. So it was not always dark. The lights were out.

And I'm like, oh, okay, cool. This must be where it goes. This must be the place. This is the perfect spot. That ad for how you're coming. I had to have a, it's a perfect view. I've been thinking about this for a while for the past few days.

Do you shampoo your beard? Yes. Okay. Is it time for me to start shampooing this thing? I mean, it's never too early or too late to start taking good care of your beard. All right, so follow up question. Do you use like pan-team pro v shampoo, like restorative shampoo? I'm trying to come up. I'm trying to be like you. I use a formulated shampoo for beards. Sounds expensive.

You know, I thought it was too, but the amount that I actually use in every shower, it stretches the bottle pretty thin. All right. Well, can you can I borrow some? I can buy you a bottle. Oh, you're so nice. I know. I got it at Target. Tarje, Tarje. Is that what they call it in Georgia? Yeah, yeah, that's it's well. No, that's like the fancy name we have calling it Tarje. Brad, I hope one day you're allowed legally to grow a beard inside your own households. I actually just shaved.

Like I shaved everything today. Everything you say. Yeah, everything. Nice. You might think because of the hair, um, really hairy. Nope. Shaved. That's a reference that only like four people will get.

Gentlemen, I think it's time for what most of our listeners tune in for. They just heard it. They literally just heard it. Right. Right. Now they check out. Have you looked at our have you looked at our retention stats? This is the part where they're not listening. Six minutes cut off. Frank's in Wayne will cut out. That's it. Basically, they're done. So gentlemen, we are, we are going to be talking about an episode that I'm pretty certain all three of us have not watched for about, let's say, maybe three weeks, probably minimum, at least minimum.

And I do want to let our listeners know that most of the reasoning why it's been through weeks is probably my own fault of having the last attempt being baby-adverted. So therefore, I was a little preoccupied from letting us record on our normal schedule. So I apologize. But fear not, loyal listeners. I actually watched half the episode

at two times this be the other day just so I could get a refresher of what I what I missed so and you know what I'm doing some math here. So if you watched half the episode at twice the speed is that does that make a whole episode? Yeah, I think I think that's fair. Hmm excellent I'm not sure. All right. It's such a great visual image. Just having you watch it.

Did you have subtitles on too? No, no, I was it was just a chipmunk. Kirk and Spock boy, those things sound great in double speed. Don't they? You know, it's funny. I was expecting it to sound a lot funnier than it really ended up being, but it actually turned out pretty

decently okay. I also like to give credit to the 1960s quality audio. That is great. So, gentlemen, let's get talking. great. So gentlemen, let's get talking. I need that that sound bite of Drew's laugh. I need that. I need that as like I wait until I open my bank account. What about what about like getting every time you get a text message? No, that's too much. You did that. Yeah, it's great. That's too much. You did that. Eh, eh, eh. It's great.

It's, I'm sorry. It's move on. It's move on. Sorry. This week on the Kirk and Spock show, we get introduced to a brand new violent alien species called the Klingons. The Enterprise gets an encoded message from Starfleet that they're to go to planet organia to prevent the klingons using it as a base of operations.

Kirk and Spock beam down into the planet and meet with the council of alters. Kirk tries to explain that they are in danger of being invaded by the klingons, but they don't really seem to want to listen or worry about. For some reason, a Klingon fleet arrives causing the Enterprise to leave while Kirk and Spock are on the planet alone, the Klingons beam down to the planet alongside their leader, Korr. Not to be confused with Korr's light, it's a little bit different, a little bit heavier. With Kirk disguised as an organian, I'm saying that right, right? Or a gang or a gang or a gang or a gang. When you say organia, I think Trader Joe's

organic, with Kirk disguised as an organic citizen. organic citizen. And in in Spock as a Vulcan merchant, the Klingons begin to occupy the planet. Oh no, the Klingons have mine scanned Spock to see his intentions, but they discover nothing because guess what? Spock's mine is empty. Or maybe the thing doesn't actually work. Who knows? or maybe the thing doesn't actually work. Who knows? After failing to get the organeons for a rebel against the Klingons, both Kirk and Spock devise a plan to destroy a Klingon ammo dump.

Kirk is confronted by the council and he admits taking action. However, Kor has the chambers under surveillance and learns everything. Core takes both Kirk and Spock to an interrogated, well, to a repeat dungeon of a previous episode that they're reusing for this episode. And the organic leader, El, El borr, a,

El borr, I don't know how to pronounce it. Airborne, it sounds like an elf. He's, how to pronounce it. Al-Born. Airborne. It sounds like an elf. He's an elf. We'll call them the elf. The elf guy rescues them. Yeah. He rescues Kirk and Spock.

When asked about how they were rescued, the organ's gave their favorite mafia answer. Don't worry about it. When Kirk finds out that the two do that again. Don't worry about it. Okay, don't ever do that again. Don't actually, I thought it was good. The second time it was bad. And you know what, you know what, you better be careful, man. You may start waking up with the fishes. You don't know. I thought you'd sleep with the fishes.

I don't know. I'm mixing metaphors and totally don't grab out my behind. This is how you start Tony off the scent. But he isn't that excellent. Yeah. Is that why you moved down south? It's a wood sack.

It's all that you'd like so. So so when core finds out the two escape, he had knowns is that he just killed 200 organians and will kill 200 more if they're not returned. But still the organics don't really care. Yep. I said organics. I said that on purpose.

Don't don't don't think otherwise. Don't at me, bro. Dynamic duo Kirkensbach attempt a suicide mission to attack the Klingon base of operations. The two make it to core But as they do so the Klingons rush into stop them However, everyone's weapons seem to be too hot to handle and However, everyone's weapons seem to be too hot to handle, and our favorite elf walks in to explain that he is putting an end to violence and that he not only stands in front of them, but on their respective home planets advising this. He states that while they may be enemies now in the future, they will become close allies

as seen in deep space 9. The big reveal of the the organians have evolved over millions of years and they are truly energy beings despite being a very humble you know old timey village type thing. Both Kirk and Core part ways, not knowing what the future holds. The Klingon seem cool. I kind of wonder if we're ever going to see them again. Probably not. To sum up this episode, Kirk attempts to start a war between two alien species. His box becomes a merchant and Kirk gets schooled on how to do peace. Oh, that Kirk. Oh, he's trying to start a war. You know, stuff.

So, gentlemen, that episode was an episode, wasn't it? That was an episode. So, let me tell you how Star Trekgy that episode was. I've watched other episodes, right? Obviously, right, as part of my homework for the pod. I should watch the other episodes. Right, I hope. I don't remember all the episode names,

but I remember some of the plot points. I can't remember many plot points, many good or significant plot points from this episode. It just didn't stand out. It was just an episode to me. It was filler. So what about the premise of it as a whole? Is it something that felt new or was this kind of like something that felt very,

you know, been there, done that kind of attitude? Well, I mean, I think the premise was was original up to this point, but it just wasn't executed necessarily all that well, you know, like, they brought in these these klingons, and this is the first introduction to them, and they are supposed to be the big bads of the original series. And there's like, but I don't know that they knew what they wanted to do with them. Are they cerebral?

Or are they, you know, these warriors that are just capable of doing any kind of damage they want to, you know, like their combat experts? It's really kind of unclear to me in this episode what they were going for. And then the organians who just don't seem to give a crap about anything because they're just basically what God beings. I think that was probably the one thing that really bugged me about the episode is the organis.

The klingons were fine. It's the organis that kind of made the episode not be as great as it could have been. Because there was go ahead. No, I was going to say. I mean, I thought we'd met the klingons before. Didn't they have that invisible ship? There's a Romulan. That was a Romulan.

This jinx yo make up. There was a Romulan. Jinks, yo, make it. Is that racist? Sure. Sure, because it's technically, it's technically like cousins. No, no, no, no, no. So Romulan's invocants are cousins. The Klingons. So this is just a case of 1960s makeup, really really just not living up to its end of the deal

They explain it though in deep space night. Well, they choose not to explain it Warf is like we don't talk about that pretty much yeah But yeah, now the Klingons the Klingons are supposed to be like the menace. They're supposed to be the ones that everybody fears and everybody hates. And, you know, I like Kor. I think he was fine. And we do get to see him again later in deep space nine in particular. But I don't know. This was for me. A pretty big letdown. I don't think the intent of where we are today with the Klingons was what they had in mind for this episode. And that's okay. So I just don't think that they had anything in mind for them in this episode. I'm not sure what they wanted them to be. The Klingons had the the bird of prey. So funny story

about that. Are you ready for a Drew rant? I listen, it's been too long without a Drew rant. Yes. I sometimes just I'll try to trigger you on purpose to see if you leave me a voicemail, but you don't. Today, can you give me one second? I need to get popcorn in a soda so I can just enjoy the fire. Let's go up to the movies. Let's go for it, man. You're good. So the Romulans are introduced as having the bird of prey. And then later on, the Klingons also have a bird of prey. But they're different birds of prey.

Different ships. Different ships. Different ships. Different ships. Different everything. And then the Ramyeon stop having a bird of prey. And then just the clean-outs have the bird of prey. But they also have both of them. But they both have both. Was there a copyright dispute?

Apparently. So, sorry. Stomp clap, stomp, st. Ah. So, sorry, stomp clap, stomp, stomp clap. Thank you for getting a reference. You said, Bert or Prey, like three times it took me a lot of willpower. Now it's a say, ah, okay. Sorry, Brett. I don't really know what else I expect from you too.

I mean, you just got a bulk of it. I mean, I just want to also point out that Brad just happened to mention that I was explained in Deep Space Nine. He beamed with pride, like there was this grin on his face, like he was so happy to talk about Deep Space Nine. I have a lot of things I want to talk about for deep space nine, but I can't talk about here. Well, that's because we're not at the space nine.

We only have like 400 episodes to go. I know. I'll talk about it in like 10 years. Yeah. I hope, you know what? And all seriousness, I hope that this podcast is around long enough to talk about deep space nine. That was a great show.

I'm rewatching it again. So like the fifth time, we could pass this podcast onto our kids. Yeah, and cat. And then watch it burn. The cat will just toss it So, so, Magi, from your perspective on the Klingons, was this what you kind of expected when you think of Klingons from your current modern day exposure of them? Oh, buddy, I had no modern day exposure. Oh, my God. I should do. No, that's a lie.

Discover it, right? Season one. Speaking of which, RIP Discovery. Yeah. Season five is ending it. I should do. No, that's a lie. Um, discovery, right? Season one. Speaking of which, our IP discovery. Yeah. Season five is ending it. Um, yeah, I don't know much about the, um, Klingons. I know more about the Romulans because, um, of the Kelvin timeline. So did you watch season one of discovery? I did. So you know, and I didn't, I didn't, I didn't like season one of Discovery? I did. So you know, and I didn't, I didn't like season one. I didn't love it.

You probably don't remember anything of the Klingons from season one, because they were in the entire season. They were like, oh my God. Oh my God. Wait, those were the ones that were always like fighting amongst themselves to kill each other. Yep, that's correct. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I didn't care for that. Season one for

me was Lorca. Lorca, it was all Lorca for me. I would concur with that. The Lorca was just wonderful. And season two was all about Zadi Pike. Like, that's it. Those were the highlights for me. I'll forgive you. I'll forgive you for not remembering that because quite frankly Those are the two things that most need out. I'm not apologizing. I don't need you to accept my apology. I don't Need your forgiveness But will you apologize for the upper decker? Moving back on it was an accident. How could it be an accident? So Brad said move on.

Let's go back to the episode here. And let's talk about those wonderful fake identities that Kirk and Spock kind of tried to attempt to pass. The Kirk Organian and the Spock merchants. What were their names? I gotta find this. I remember. Barroner, his name is Barroner.

Did they even try to cover his ears? No, because he was supposed to be bewildered still. Okay, all right. And you know what, it's funny, like this entire episode, none of it, like was the other cast, everybody was like, oh, the Klingons are here, we're out, peace. Nothing happened in this episode.

No, no, it wasn't. I think, you know what, honestly, I think the biggest problem I have is really just the organians and like their godlike abilities. And from watching these episodes, it seems time and time again, they fall so heavily on these godlike beings to be pivocal points so that it's like at the end of the episode nothing happens. So therefore, you know, there's no consequences for the next episode to really having to Pivocal points so that it's like at the end of the episode nothing happens so therefore You know, there's no consequences for the next episode to really having to address The the organians were

Posited in a way that basically made them seem like they didn't care about anything that was going on And that they couldn't be bothered to deal with anything that was happening so ultimately when they just changed into their true form and snap their fingers and fixed everything, none of it mattered. Yeah. And I think there were there were no stakes. The the stakes were so manufactured by core and Kirk. But the people that actually mattered didn't care. Because nothing nothing that they did actually have any consequences. Exactly.

Like there were never, there was never any danger to them. And like, didn't even like, they should, instead of like just coming right out and being, well, I guess the story would have just ended if they did that. We're like, hey, we're, we're gods. We're not worried about you. And then roll credits. Yeah. And like to me, that was probably the biggest detractor towards it. And then you know what, another thing that kind of really, um, how know if it was like it made me upset or

what, but like Kirk was trying to intentionally start a war between the Klingons and the Organs, like get the Organs to fight back. And like, what's the last time he had led me? Yeah. You know, like to me, like I think that's the thing that I really disliked about this episode is that it showed like Kirk is very violent. If you think about the because there was a scene where it's like Kirk just like passes by a Klingon and like the Klingon doesn't give a crap until he bumps into Kirk and then like Kirk's like a spot cast

a push and back and like go dude chill it's not worth your kind of time and Kirk is like ready to start a fight. I've been trying to tell you this since episode one, since Kirk wanted to fight Charlie, Charlie X, since Kirk just wanted to fight the Gorn. Like he is bloodthirsty and he won't stop. He needs to be stopped. But listen, I digress. So Drew, you and I have had experience with the core before. Yes.

And this is our first experience with him. From what you recall in future episodes, is this how you envisioned him in this episode? This is not the Dhar Har master. I agree. I agree. I adored the core that we got with space nine, the core that was Jadzea and Kersan's friend. Loved it. What a mischief maker he was. So delightful. And and such a true warrior spirit. This guy, what a jabroni. That's what the Rock used to say. Who? Sorry. Dwayne the Rock Johnson, the greatest wrestler ever, mankind. Never heard of him friend, man, kind though.

All right. Well, I know who's getting cold for the Christmas gift this year. I have to admit, I agree the core is very different and clearly genetically modified between TUS and the new deep space nine. Look, man, we don't talk about that. I know. We don't, we don't. It doesn't exist. We don't talk about that. But, but I mean we don't it doesn't exist. We don't talk about that

but but I mean like you know make-up jokes aside and all that stuff uh yeah I mean look I'm willing to be a little bit loose with a character that was you know written 45 to 50 years prior you know um well so let's see here, this episode was 66 DS9 ended in 97, right? So those episodes were probably around 95. So, so yeah, like 30, 30 to 35 years later, right? They bring this character back. character back. You know, thinking about the reversal, because we see the industry and new worlds where we see other characters brought back, like, travel and, and, and, and like, we, like, I love that, that type of reversal. And, you know, to, to us, I think when we saw a core in deep space, nine, we probably didn't get that, necessarily the same homage to it. So I think there is some level of respect towards it.

Yeah, I mean, if you and I had seen this before, we saw Deep Space Nine, if this were a memorable episode and a good one, and one that inspired nostalgia, then yes, I do believe that we would have been nostalgic for this character. So deep space nine takes place before TOS. No, no, it takes place concurrently with the end of next generation and the beginning of Voyager. So those three shows are essentially one continuous timeline. Okay. Um, follow up questions, you mentioned you said, make up a side. That triggered me. Was there blackface in this episode? I can tell you that non-black actors have been wearing Klingon makeup for 50 years. Christopher Lloyd.

Christopher Lloyd was a Klingon, probably the one that actually defined the Klingons as we know them today. John Tess was a Klingon in an episode. Who's John Tess? Um, he did entertainment tonight. Wasn't Christopher Plummer one of the Klingons? Christopher Plummer was like the best Klingon. Yeah. Doc Brown.

That's Christopher Lloyd. And yes, yes, he was also a great Klingon. Christopher Plummer played Colonel Chang in Star Trek 6 Christopher Lloyd played crewage in Star Trek 3. I think it was crew. They want the whales. No that's true. Star Trek 3 is the one before the whales. It's the one with the bird of prey. Sorry. But going back to what you said is that this episode was kind of lost with this character. Now if you take the organians' ability to have none of them matter and you remove that aspect from this episode, does that change how you would view this episode?

Well, I don't think I would because like, Kirk was playing checkers and, and, Kourt was playing chess, and it never felt like Kirk was on the same level as him, because Kourt just constantly had the answer or constantly had a solution to the problem that Kirk was trying to present to him. It was like, but it never felt like he was in danger.

So, like, this guy is outsmarting him at something that doesn't matter. So, it's like an internet fight. It's funny that you've mentioned that. And I think about more modern day, Starfleet versus Klingon engagement. And most modern day stuff, it's kind of reverse where it feels like Starfleet

is the one playing chess and Klingons are just brute forcing checkers into the win. It does seem that way. Yeah, I would agree. So I guess that kind of shows how much time has changed for it. And I think that kind of really bothered me about how Kirk was written in this one. It was just the brute force, got a rebel, not think about anything. To me, that shows how much of his lack of leadership that he really is.

And it's interesting too, because I'm thinking of some of the episodes to come, and I know that we have trouble with tribbles eventually, and I think about how the Klingons were written in that episode, and I feel like they were written more along the lines of what we know today, than they were to compare to this. Now, it's been years since I've seen that episode,

but I remember them being a little bit more boisterous and loud and obnoxious and like, your drunk uncle basically, they're a race of drunk uncles. Yeah, I can see that. Say no more, I'm sold. Ha ha ha. We didn't get that vibe out of this. We got we got the we got the sober uncle who's been going to AA every week. And I think she knows better than everybody.

When you say drunk uncles and klingons all on pictures, oh, cook. For me. That's what I'm thinking. Why is he like a pikey or something? Cause I mean a drunk uncle was gonna be like, oh! Oh, no. Right? No.

My uncle never drank so I'm only assuming, or it's like, ay! Cuck! Gimia! I've also never been drunk before so. assuming or it's like, I, cake. Give me a. I've also never been drunk before. So that's not how that's not true. I've never been drunk before. We really have.

We've drank before and I've seen you drunk after that first. I never. I've never. Oh, he's different. The first sip. Yeah, you're a lightweight. I'm very, you're lightweight. You take what's every little. Yeah, you're a lightweight. I'm not very, you're a lightweight. You take woods every little.

Oh, yeah, I love it. For the listener, it was a, what, I'm a rid of sour, I was at a Roman Coke that I didn't even finish. Probably. Okay. You were so sloshed, you left your drink. Oh, okay.

Like, sir, I would like a Roman Coke with the umbrella, please. It was not coming with umbrellas. I know what I want. So, John, may I ask you one to chat with about this episode? No. No. All right, so let's move on to our grading.

So Majeed, can you tell me how many red alerts, one through 10, 10 being the absolute best? We're not doing this. We're not doing this. Nice. Nice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's hell's things, you're all, and I'm half his moments. Please Brad, continue.

And the marriage room. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, oh, bait along. I feel like, I don't know, I thought you said to my name. Anyway, so this episode, again, we watched three weeks ago or however long we watched. And the only thing I remember about this episode is the potential blackface. That's the only thing I remember is the makeup. And the fact that they also didn't cover Spock's ears. I've watched other episodes right? We watched other episodes where Kirk was oh my god, true. Which one was it with the with the Romulan bird of prey? The balance of Terry was fantastic. That was a good episode. You know, I remember I remember details about that episode, the one with Ricardo Montabon. Spacy Ricardo Montabon.

I remember details about that episode. And we watched it months ago. I don't know anything other than the bad stuff for this. So, you know, it's a pretty low score for me. I wish I had air table in front of me so I can tell you which was my lowest one and then go like a point five lower. But I'm gonna go with a three on this episode.

Your lowest one is the return of the arcons and that was a two. That was terrible. That episode was so bad. That was actually all, but they're not all. They're not all winners. Right. Well, the thing that I've seen with this series thus far

is you have the highest of highs and then it's a pretty steep drop after that. Like the rest of these episodes, you know, you get an episode like Space Seed and you know, we gave an episode like Space Seed and, you know, we gave that basically a 10 as an average, you know, like Brad gave it a 9 and you and I gave it a 10. Balance the terror, got a rounded average of 8.5.

So like these episodes that are hitting hard, the Menagerie Part One even got a high ranking. But after that, it starts to like kind of drop, you know, fairly significantly, you know, and the ones that are just not of the same quality, are really low, you know? Yeah, like there are some episodes that I'm looking forward to, City on the edge of it tomorrow.

Forever. City on the edge of forever. Thank you. The one where Spock fights Kirk and he's like, I suspect that that one is probably infamous for the worst of reasons I suspect, but we'll find out together. And Brad and Brad are here. So Drew, what about you, buddy? How many points below five are you gonna give? I mean, I feel like a three is pretty spot on actually. I don't really have much to add on what Majid was saying.

Like, I'm okay with writers figuring out a species. But like, they were so off base with this. And it's almost as bad as how the Ferenci were originally set up in next generation, you know, as being like this, like just fear some race, but they were so ridiculous that people just laughed at them. They were just a joke. They were just a joke and it took them years

before they spun it into a joke. I don't think we're gonna have to wait that long for the Klingons to kind of find their footing. We'll get a better look at it. Next season I think with, I think trouble with trebles of season two from that mistake And I'm not sure if there's any other clang on episodes in between But I was excited to see core in his original state and this was just really a letdown for me so

you know Gotta go to three. Okay, it's fair. You know, thinking about the episode and recently watching it at two times a speed, quite honestly, like the, if it wasn't for the organians and if it wasn't for Kirk trying to start a war between two species and it wasn't for Kirk while doing everything else, it would have been a good episode for me. So if it weren't for the three things that summed up the entire story. Yeah, essentially, but unfortunately, I'm actually like, I have to agree with both of you. I'm in a three for this as well.

To me, it just because there is these, if it wasn't for this, it wasn't for that, which was a huge part of the episode, it drove down the episode for me so much. And it had a lot of opportunity. It just, like you said, the stakes didn't matter. The Kirk was the aggressor. He was playing checkers while they were playing chess. It was like all these things that just didn't make any sense. And honestly, I think the more times we do these episodes

where it's just like Kirk and Spock or Kirk and McCoy and it's just them, the less, I don't know, the less appealing these episodes tend to be for me. Yeah, like it's becoming painfully obvious that like at least in season one, the rest of the cast doesn't matter. You know, like, this is I hate using Michelle Nichols as an example, but Ujra has had like three lines in like the past six episodes. And, you know, she's a trailblazer, because she's a black woman on this show on the bridge of the Enterprise, you know, on quote, quote,

equal footing with the men. But I don't see this being equality. Like, I mean, I'm glad she's on the show like that was a big deal. But like, they're not giving her anything. Didn't she want to quit and then was convinced by a friend to stay on the show? By Martin Luther King. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, this is probably why she wanted to quit

because she was getting no, like, nothing, like, meet to her role. Well, hopefully, hopefully by season two, we'll get a little bit more steak for the sizzle, you know, you know, at this point, though, the way things are going through, you know, that classic argument, who's the better captain, Kirk would precarred. It's clearly precarred at this point. But can we, can we, can we genuinely say that if we compare season one,

the season one? I think so. If you think we were you're talking about precarred the um the show or TNG. TNG. Right. I think I think TNG was much better season one. I um I have to admit I have watched it more than once. So I do have a somewhat fresh memory on that.

So yeah. I mean, I just finished doing a complete watch through last year. Admittedly, it took me about two years because I was doing it with a podcast I was listening to. So it took a while to get through because they were slow. Just like us. No, we are fast. We are actually faster. They went like six months in a row without posting an episode at one point. It was terrible. But anyway, good podcast. Big fan.

Just just really quick. I think Brad, you're wrong. Pike is the best captain. Season one to season one. Pike. We're not talking about Pike though. We're talking about Picard and Kirk because that's the classic argument. I don't think he can be considered a classic though, like, we need some time removed from it for it to become a classic. But I think like Cisco's never in sorry buddy, how come Cisco's never in this conversation?

Cisco has been a great, I think it's a great idea to be able to do that. I think it's a great idea to do that. I think it's a great idea to do that. I think it's a great idea to do that. I think it's a great idea to do that. I think it's a great idea to do that. I found them like Cisco's never in, sorry buddy, how come Cisco's never in this conversation?

Cisco has become part of that conversation more than you realize. Yeah. But it's hard. Most people will do Picard versus Kirk because Picard was always seen as the replacement to Kirk. You have to understand that the next generation was the first Star Trek show on television in 25 years. And there were a lot of people that from day one

were like, this show sucks, hashtag not my captain. You know? And Patrick Stewart had to earn it. And I think he did, but it wasn't something that he earned overnight. Which is why Brad and I have been so frustrated with the book card show. I think, but that's a whole nother rabbit hole.

For tomorrow. Yes. Although season three, I mean, the listeners will be hearing this incredibly out of order, but but season three has been excellent so far. Did you watch last week's episode? Last week's yes. This week's no. Okay. We'll talk tomorrow. Yes. Listeners, you will listen at some point sometime in the past or future, I can't really say when. Just like a Star Trek time travel plot, you're never going to know and we're not going to understand.

It wouldn't be the past though, Brad. No, technically this episode is going to air probably after we do the Picard one. When will that be now soon? Gentlemen, anything else you'd like to add on this love leave. I'm just glad that Majid was able to get out of the break. I'm just glad that I got to see Drew like stroke his beard while you are talking the entire time. Just like an evil genius.

Drew is there. No, it's it's contemplation. It gives him fire for his true rants. It makes me I love. I'm just I'm just stroking the kindling super super super sane. Got it. Maybe we maybe we just we don't use the word stroking. So folks, next time on yet another search error podcast, we will be watching the alternative factor investigating the cause of a massive galaxy wide disturbance, or sorry, disruption in space. The enterprise finds a mad scientist who claims he had claims he is being pursued by hideous being. Find out what

our thoughts are in the alternative factor. Well, Drew, it's been wonderful. I miss both of you listeners. Listeners. Find out what our thoughts are in like eight weeks. Listeners, we thank you for listening and tuning in. Have a good night. Bye. Good night. Thanks for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast where apart of the retro sessions network. This episode was recorded on March 9, 2023 and is hosted by Brad, Drew, and Maggi.

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