Yet Another Star Trek Podcast - Ep 045: (TOS S01E27) The Alternative Factor

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

Trip through time, space, and alternate dimensions in this week's episode of Star Trek: The Alternative Factor! Were Brad, Drew and Majeed trapped in a corridor for eternity? Listen in to find out! Be sure to check out our website, social media, and join our Discord! Links for all are listed below: Website | Discord | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | TikTok | YouTube Drop us an email at [e-mail]! “Warp Speed” and "To the Stars" was written and performed by William Grobbelaar Music: https://soundcloud.com/williamgrobbelaarmusic Additional artwork by George Rateau: https://www.fiverr.com/georgerateau

Hey everybody, welcome to yet another Star Trek podcast, the one podcast with three guys watching two shows at the same time. I'm not confused at all. Are you? Oh, I'm totally confused. What are we watching? I don't know. Three guys. Well, right now, like, we're in a time vortex. So, Brad and I, I mean, this is fitting for this episode for today. First of all, I'm your host, Drew. I am joined by Brad. Say hello, Brad. Hello, Brad.

And I'm joined by Majeed. Say hello, Majeed. I'm Brad. Wait. And we are in a time vortex of sorts covering an episode about parallel universe versus. I feel like we have a parallel universe of our podcast right now. I think we haven't recorded an episode with Majid in about two weeks. I think maybe maybe about a month before I want to read.

I think it's I think it's closer to four weeks. Yeah. I went it's closer to four weeks. Yeah, I went out of vacation. So the month that we recorded the Thursday before I went out of vacation in March. Yeah, I have, I think it's March 12th. March 9th somewhere around there. Somewhere like the second week of March

and it's the second week of April, right now. So it's been a month since Majid has joined us, but Brad and I in the meantime have been very, very hard at work unlike our slacking counterpart here. Black counterparts. He said lacking. Oh, lacking. Oh my God. Slack with an S. Oh,. He said lacking. Oh, lacking.

Oh my God. Slack with an S. Both of you. At least Brad's like legitimately deaf. That's fair. That's fair. But yeah, I think I, no, no, just keep rolling.

I mean, our listeners know at this point that you and I have been reviewing Picard. And I think by the time they get to this episode, we'll probably be done by that. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is this is going to be, you know, dropping many weeks after Picard comes to an end. I, by the way, did watch Picard's trailer. I have that far Yeah, which trailer though which which season Three what season are they on now? What what was the trailer about? I don't know so

Hang on wait, wait then Don't don't don't break me off hang on Don't don't don't break me off hang on Why don't I saw I saw was there somebody in there was a salt for card was in there La forge was in there, okay, so it's three Okay, and it just happened to be airing during my watch of the alternative fear factor episode we just watched. That's nice little paramount plus ad. Yeah, yeah, I'm not rich enough to pay for the ad free version.

Man, just have two mobile leave you are free. Like you're they did. Oh, that's what it is. It's been a year. It's done. Yeah, that's what it is. It's been a year. It's done. Yeah, that's a past tense thing, man. Yeah. Brad's also in a time for a text number. Yeah, I have no, I have no concept of time anymore.

Time to sound accessed. So speaking of the the Picard podcast, I'm very happy for both of you. And I really think you guys have a good dynamic. I'm not jealous at all. After the first one drop drew, it was like, hey, have you listened to it? I'm like, no, not yet.

And I had to think about it. I was about to put it on. I said, how am I going to pump this episode when I have not seen any episode of book art? Like you haven't even star next generation neither. Yeah, right. That's like 300 something episodes, right? I think it's like 176. Oh, all right. I'm close.

It's a very specific number, but I'm pretty sure it's spot on. Can we can we fact check him please? Because I need to know if I'm going to give him a dimmer before we continue. Please, please, please sure I'll look Brad's already what's what's the what's the overrunner on my my Like do I have any wiggle room? No, you said spot on so I expected to be spot on So so technically it's a hundred and seventy six however However, it's 178. If you count, I think two part episodes, where they separated

them into two separate episodes. So for the sake of making sure Drew doesn't get it to merit, we're going to say that it's 176. Yeah, because the two feature length episodes that they're talking about are most likely the pilot encounter at far point in the finale, all good things, both of which aired as two hour episodes the first time they aired. Yep. So reruns do not count. Oh my.

reruns do not count. Oh my god. Can you edit in like an applause for yourself? That's impressive. You know what? I might do that. You can say how I feel. I might do that.

But I mean, you realize like when we started talking about doing this, like I tried to make clear what you were getting into. You tried, but you also have to understand your audience. So we'll be finished by the time we're 70, I think. Maybe. Maybe. I am. I'm excited though.

We have. Well, first of all, today's first contact day. I'm not sure if you guys knew this. Yeah. Yeah. Today's first contact day. We are recording this on April 5th for the listeners. Yeah, did they announce anything? Yeah, I think that we are 40 years away from first contact. That's what they announced.

We got announcements last week. We know that lower deck season four is coming out. They are in production of season five. We know that discover, not at discovery. What's the other one? Strange two worlds is coming out this summer as well. So, you know, we'll probably have maybe a month without Star Trek content. That's new. And then. Have we heard anything about us? Was it section 31 like the now yeah no we did actually we did we did it was after Michelle Yao won her Oscar for fantastic work by the way in everything everywhere all at once but they they said that now discovery is coming to an end. They always saw section 31 as a offshoot

and they would never have too many shows on it once. So had to be after something ended. Too many shows all of once. Yeah. I kind of feel like me already there. Yeah, because like Picard is coming to an end. So the cancellation of discovery has nothing to do with that. Um, and plus they also announced the Starfleet Academy show. And I heard that too.

Yeah. I'm interested in knowing. Didn't I pitch that by the way. That was one of my pitches on Twitter. They were setting that up. They were setting that up with Tilly. Are you is it going to be a future because you haven't watched that, but it's going to be in the future, isn't it? I mean, I mean, I think he thought you started to strike us in the future.

No, it's, I don't want to talk about it right now. He's not wrong, though, Brett. He's not wrong to bear it. Um, that is that is a true save image. I appreciate it. So, um, just really quick, I, first of all, I miss you guys. Um, I miss Drew. I even though I saw Drew, I have selfies with Drew. I have selfies with Drew and my dog. I have pictures of Drew and my dog. That was a fun day. Well, well, this is getting a little uncomfortable. As you can tell, he doesn't really care about me anymore. I see how it is.

I mean, you're like the West Coast now. You're in a different time zone. In the same time zone. California. I don't actually know where Atlantic California is, Brad. I'm just telling you now. Georgia. Georgia, California. I don't know where that is either. It sounds like a red hot chili pepper song. So speaking of love, love songs specifically. This is the weirdest thing I've done, but true, I need you to maintain eye contact with me.

Every time a love song comes on and it has the word you in it, I replace the word you with true instinctively. So I'll give you an example. Can we please have some? Yeah, I need some examples. So leading Gomez, I love you like a love song, baby. I love you like a love song, baby. Just change it to I love Drew like a love song, baby. Just change it to I I love you like a love song, baby

My daughter does not like it But it works in every single song every single song that says you I changed to Drew It's childish, but I love it. It keeps me close to you I feel about this. I will. How should I feel about this? You're man, sometimes you just need to bowl with it. I'll give you 30 seconds to get your thoughts and emotions. We can talk about it for a sec in one word.

It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. Okay. I deserve that. It's pretty weird to do it. You're loud about it. Like, why is he singing about true? It's true.

What song is that? Oh, okay. I'm like, I'm not good enough. All right. Why is he singing about Drew? Drew, what song is that? Oh, okay. Oh, my goodness. All right. So, let's put a hard thing back on.

Yeah, am I going to do a hard pivot here? Do we have anything else? Are we good? I think it's time to rock the show, man. Alright, alright. Yeah, alright. Alright guys, so let's talk about this episode of Star Trek the Original Series, the alternative factor. This one was released on March 30, 1967, the remaster aired on December 1, 2007.

And this was written by a man using a lot of drugs by a name of Don and Galis and directed by an equally drugged down director by a name of Gurd Oswald. This week we watched the episode called the alternative factor or what Brad likes to call star trek does acid. He joined the crew of the Enterprise as an unknown phenomenon disrupts the universe. The planet they are orbiting once had no life before the event, but then after, it had one life. So first you have no life and then something happens and then it has plus one. Plus one life. Just one.

I mean that's all it's needed, right? You just need one. I want to know if they were like just skipping over the trees that were there because there was foliage or the plants. By the way, was this the same location they filled film that other episode like which one do you mean arena or the cage or? I thought Drew shaking his head up and avalanche that's it. Yeah, yeah. This is once again Vesquez Rocks and pretty sure. Who rocks very famous very famous spot in California. It's like right outside of LA so they do a lot of filming there in Hollywood. But Star Trek used it extensively. So let's see here. I'm just trying to confirm. Thanks to memory alpha. Let's see here rocks. Yep, Vasquez rocks.

Sure enough. Did you just search for the word rocks and pulled it up? I did because I wasn't sure how they spelled Vasquez if it was with a queue. I mean, that shows the year and S. That shows like how popular that that pages. Well, I have it on memory alpha. So I just typed in rocks. I typed in rock first. If I just do rock, I get six results. But if I add the S, it narrows it down to three. If you type in a rock, you should just get to Wayne Johnson. Well, he's the third result. What? He is in memory, Alpha. Yes. Yep. Yeah. True story. Yeah, because he was on a voice in the best episode of Voyager. Yeah. Oh, man, that's a bold statement. Well, we'll talk about the best episode of Voyager and another 492 podcast. Right.

When we're celebrating the Quentin of Brad. The planet they were, oh, we read that. Well, we were investigating the planet. A man going by the name of Lazarus greets them all just like a guy who had too much to drink before his data arrives at the restaurant and then proceeds to pass out. Lazarus stumbled all over the place and, uh the place and ends up back on the enterprise. He soars up and claims that a world destroying thing is following him despite the crew of the enterprise having no way of being able to find any trace of it.

McCoy loses Lazarus from sick base somehow, while attempting to treat him. He just gets up and leaves. It's not like it's important or anything. Yeah, yeah. It's not like they can't lock a door. Can we sit on that for a second? Why didn't they lock the door? Why would they?

Koi like a tracking device on them? I mean, if they lock the door, the episode wouldn't happen. Yeah. Pue like a tracking device on them. I mean, if they lock the door, the episode wouldn't happen. Yeah. Ah, McCoy also advises Kirk to something odd is going on. One moment Lazarus is injured and the next he is magically healed. And you could tell by just looking at his forehead because it has a cut with a bandage on it. But then it comes gone.

Then the cut with the bandage is gone. Um, when they find Lazarus, he's injured. And then he's not. And then he is. It's very weird. Spock locates a crack in the universe somehow where physical laws don't apply and the dilithium crystals that they have on board the ship can be used to find it. So Lazarus over here is this.

He beats up two officers and steals the two dilithium crystals. Be that that's logic right there, you know, it makes sense. Yeah. Is this the first time that they've actually referred to the dilithium crystals on the ship? I don't recall. No, they probably referred to, well, I think they've said dilithium before.

I'm not sure, I know they had like something from the engines that they referred to. But for the listeners that don't understand what I'm talking about, and Majid, I'm fully understand. I totally understand. Do you totally understand? The dilithium crystals are a part of the engine and what creates warp speed. And they dive into this in great detail in the 176 episodes of Star Trek, the next generation,

where they talk about how matter and antimatter collide in the dilithium matrix to create energy and thus propelling the ship forward at great speeds. So these crystals literally power warp drive. And this guy just walked up and grabbed them out of the engine room. I think in the future of TNG stuff, like, yeah, that's not possible.

Yeah, no, they have this thing like in like a contamination chamber and stuff. By the way, it's also not possible on strange new worlds, even though it's technically the same ship. Just going to put it out there. Rick Conning. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Kirk accuses Lazarus of the disruptions on his ship, but he blames the Lazarus blames it being that is following him. Lazarus

eventually breaks down and advises Kirk that he is a time traveler. But Spock later says that he's from some sort of a parallel universe. So who really knows who's telling the truth here? Kirk eventually gets sucked into another universe where a sane version of Lazarus gives him the real deal of what's going on. He advises that of Lazarus. If the Lazarus is, he advises that if the Lazarus is ever existing the same universe, it will end everything. He has a plan to save them all.

Put them in a tunnel together because that won't cause the universe to end. Nope, nope, not at all. Kirk ends up getting sent back to the proper universe and he's eventually able to subdue evil Lazarus and transport him to the tunnel thing. The two Lazarus' will then spend the rest of eternity fighting each other. The end.

Some up the episode. This episode gives new meaning to split personalities. It's clear the writers and directors are star-tracted drugs. And Brad has no idea what he just watched. No, I honestly don't. Like, I was watching it. It was fully paying attention. And I felt like I did acid just by watching it. I mean, we don't know what drugs you have access to in the West Coast.

So that's true. We do not. I, I thought the episode was hilarious. By the way, I think a few times I was laughing because it was just so ridiculous. You mean like those those moments of those random blue highlights of two guys randomly just going at it. You wanna rephrase that sentence? No, I stand by the words I used. No, it was Lazarus randomly throw them self off a cliff.

It's why he said he had that was so free. He thought it was so funny. He like, he like, standing on the edge of the cliff, then he kicks a rock off and then he falls to his death. It's so light full. It was so funny. I'm like, why was happening? That was so delightful. I think you're like you said it.

It's like, it does it twice in the episode. Yeah. It just makes it even better. What do you guys think of the world ending catastrophic event special effects? I feel other than the fact that they were trying to replicate drugs. It felt like they found some of the chroma key on their system and they're like, hey, you know what, what does this do? Oh my God, we got to put that in an episode. That is real. That was just like a whole lot of cross fades.

I don't just cast, I don't know what a cross fade is. It's like, just like when we have like two images and you just dissolve one into the other. So cross fade would be like doing that rapidly, I guess, or I might be getting my terms mixed up. A dissolve is usually when you're dissolving from one scene to the next, it kind of like the tube lend into each other. It was wonderful.

It really was. And then my favorite thing is when they started adding in the Superman newspaper, or you you know where the thing is like It was really just a cube, but it looked like a newspaper to me like you know how in the comic book movies when like something happens It's like extra extra read all about it like the newspaper comes in from like off the screen like at the screen And it's spinning in circles and this is like we must find spider-man or something You and this was like, we must find Spider-Man or something. Yep. You guys are just gonna leave me hanging, aren't you?

I hate you both. This is not cool, Majeed. Dimajit Freeze. I did freeze. I did freeze. I did freeze. I wasn't sure if I lost your webcam or, because you just, you stopped moving

and you stopped responding. Everything broke, all of a sudden. just stop moving and you stop responding. Everything broke, all of a sudden. I tried to give you the finger, not the middle finger, to give you this finger, to say, hey, something broke. Yeah, both of you is here. Pack of loss. I don't know if it's both of us is probably you.

I had Photoshop and Lightroom open. And I think I was at some point rendering something that just never finished rendering. So it couldn't have possibly been you is what you're saying. Yeah, it was definitely bright. Because you know, the amount of packets that it takes.

Yeah, the amount of packet to take is to travel from the West Coast to the East Coast, you know, it takes time. That's what the experts call latency. You know what? It's funny because I was looking over the review that Rad wrote up as we were just discussing. I was like, wow, this is a very short synopsis of the episode. Then I looked over at memory alpha and it is also equally short synopsis. And it just reminded me that there really isn't anything that happened in this episode for the majority of it? I feel like they did like, I don't know, four minutes of that fade, where the two guys fighting.

And that took up too much of the episode. And it's funny, this is one of those episodes where it's rare, where there's not like a subplot of a subplot kind of going on. It's straightforward. Something's going on with this guy. We don't really know what's going on. Some monsters there, but we don't have any like other background type stuff going on.

And it stays to the course, to all the way through the end. And I'm just like, wow, not a lot happens in this episode. It's pretty basic. Yeah, I would agree with that. happens in this episode. It's pretty basic, yeah. I would agree with that. Majeed, how was your trade of thought when you were watching this? What the hell is happening?

What am I watching? Why is this guy throwing himself off a cliff? Why is he here or not talking? Oh, the one thought that I had, I wanna to move my mic for this. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Hopefully that didn't cause too much ditter. Sorry, Drew, in advance. So they bring out the most jacked and physically fit red shirts I've ever seen in the show. They were physically imposing red shirts. Yet when Kurt got back, everyone is watching him fight Lazarus. Nobody stepped in.

Isn't there a point in the fight where Kirk says don't get near him or don't touch him? I don't, I don't even have to stay back. I did see, I did see he was carrying him like a bear hug, like a child. Yeah. I said really guys. You're gonna watch him I Thought the same exact thing man and and Kirk is getting into it with him So first of all the fight starts and nobody moves Spock doesn't blink and I the two red shirts don't blink and I

Kirk and Lazarus just start throwing down. And after about like 15 seconds of, of, you know, of fighting, Kirk then like yells, stay back. These guys were not even coming close to moving. Why are you asking them to stay back? They're like, we saw the previous episodes. We know that if we jump in, you die. Oh my God. No rest shirts were killed though.

No rest shirts were harmed in the arm making the this episode. And no shirts were destroyed off Kirk's body either. I expected it. I expected it. We saved another shirt this week. Can we talk about Lazarus' facial hair for a moment? Oh, man.

I've seen Brad with similar beard. I want to say that I like to think I have more facial ears than this dude does. So, you said, Mijid last time we talked. You were like, was that black face we saw? My Mijid thoughts were that, were they doing the exact same thing in this episode? And they're trying to replicate an Asian guy, I guess.

It was bad. It was, it reminded me of the bad guy from the old Kung Fu movies. Yeah. Where they zoom in super fast. And the guy whips his, his, his, his goatee. And I'm like, why? All right. He was thinking of, uh, kill Bill Arnchah.

Oh my God. Yeah. The, the master, right? The trainer. Yep. Yep. Yeah. yep, yep, yep. No, totally. That's exactly what I'm thinking of. Good, good.

And I saw it and it was like, wait, I feel like I should be offended. I got this one true. Why do you be offended? You are for my daughter, for my daughter. Since my daughter is half Asian. I feel like I should be offended for. Oh, that's lawyer speak for. Okay, it's okay.

We'll have to check on that. Oh my God. You know, all things considered though, like I was like entertained by this episode cause this was just like, there's some weird stuff going on here. You know, it was just, it was just like how Discovery got the idea

to do like galactic events that span entire season? It was a very unique episode. I don't. I feel like we haven't seen something like this style before. Yeah, we haven't. And not to like play my cards too far for the the ending of our episode, but as the episode went on, I found myself enjoying it more and more. Like once, once they kind of got out of the way of trying to make it mysterious, and they actually started like diving into the plot itself, I was kind of into it. Yeah. This is a precursor for season two's mirror episodes, right? I don't think so. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's a direct relation,

but I think it's important to recognize that Star Trek does a lot of parallel universe stuff and a lot of alternate timelines. So if that's your kind of thing, like, you know, you're going to see more of it. My thing is mirror verse, Lorka. That's it. Mirror verse, Lorka, over everything. I feel pretty confident in saying with the cancellation of discovery, looming, that's never going to happen. I get it, but mirror verse, Lorkca is dead anyway. Oh, is that a spoiler? Can you bleak me? I mean, it's been out for like six years now, so... What's the Statue of Libertations on spoilers? You'll have to Google that.

The Statue of Libertations? No, I think anything over years good. Well, that's way too soon. Didn't you yell at me because I posted something on Facebook that was considered a spoiler? You were like, we're not friends anymore. And it was like a year and a half. No, that was definitely not me.

It was, it was Spider-Man related. I asked little remember. I said, brass on my friend anymore. That sucks. Was that like the kind of no idea that was the most recent one, right? It was it was no, it was far from home. It was a second. No, that was that was no, it had to be the most recent one because I that was the one that I took forever to see.

And if anything, that was like a few months before I saw it. I didn't post on Facebook that recently. I posted on Facebook for, I know why, I know why. I did Photoshop with it and I Photoshopped our buddy, John, in the background. And it was every time I see his face, I miss him. And that's what it was. It was a really good Photoshop.

I'm very proud of it. And then you just pooped all over it. Oh, I remember that now. Yeah. I was just messing with your flexibility side at that point. All right. Hey, Drew.

Yeah, buddy. So if you had to, you're a fan of the Mirrorverse stuff, right? What? The Mirrorverse, like the alternate universe and style. We don't, we don't, just to kind of get this out of the way, in Star Trek, we don't give the term verse to everything like they do in Marvel and DC. Don't shoot there.

Don't shoot. I just did. I did. I went there. Okay. I'll allow it. Not the merit for you. That's right. All right. So what we gotta say, we don't put the word first afterwards, right? But are you a fan of those mirror episodes? I am. Open most part. Yeah. So let. So let me give you this. If you had the opportunity yourself to remake this episode, what would you change to make it better?

Perfect. Go see. That's it. I stepped one. I mean, I think a lot of my choices would be editing, like just not relying on the two men fighting in the tunnel as Brad succinctly put it, that we kept seeing. And in hindsight, it makes a lot of sense as to what that was.

But yeah, I think that would probably be the biggest change that I would make. I mean, there was a lot wrong with this episode, but overall, like, it still was, I think, I think it was an interesting concept for the time that just the execution may have been a little lacking. But the idea of there being two universes where, you know, they cannot coax, the people from both universes cannot coax this in the same timeline, I kind of dig that. The idea that, you know, they, they would be stuck like fighting each other in this like third universe, if they were to like ever cross paths,, kind of dig that. And the idea of having a noble character that's willing to sacrifice his life

to protect everybody versus the one that's unhinged and just wants to get free. You know, like I kind of dig that too. So while we didn't get to know this character and spend a lot of time with him, I think it was pretty cool seeing this take on two different personalities from two different realities. I think I think it's to me it was a little bit different than when you have some of the more modern day telling like the mirror universe type stuff because when it with those you can have the same person and the same like two the same people in the same universe. Right. And they two of the same people in the same universe.

Right, and they do frequently. It's the whole point. Which in this one though, is like, it showed us how McCoy was like, oh, he's healed, no, he's not healed. And it was kind of like that where it's, that he would swap the character, I guess you could say. And that was a change,

because usually you don't see it that way where the person just goes away. It's usually just like the one person sneaking around the corner and like watching their double do something. Right. That's actually a pretty good point. So yeah, I guess Brad, same question for you. What would you change to make it perfect, perfect? Yeah, I guess Brad's the same question for you. What would you change to make it perfect, perfect? I think to me, there was like one line about like time travel that I felt that was just kind of not really needed. I can tell they tried to push in a sub plot, but they didn't really go anywhere with it. It just was, they made a mention of it and they never really preferred back to it too much.

with it. It just was, they made a mention of it and they never really preferred back to it too much. But I think that would, that would be it. It's just like, just ignore that entirely and focus on the one idea of like that, like two universe's aspect of things and go with that route. How about you, Mogy? I would add a ticking clock element and like you guys suggested remove the whole mystery of it. clock element and like you guys suggested remove the whole mystery of it. At a maybe a subplot of secondary characters investigating while the other ones are actually doing the action stuff. It kind of felt like there was a ticking clock. Maybe not explicitly.

Yeah. But but they're definitely were stakes. I get where Mjid is coming from coming from because it didn't feel like a bad lasruth was anywhere near like intercepting like the same one. And to me, I kind of agree with Majid on that. Like it didn't feel like, oh, it has to be done before that, you know, the countdown to zero. Yeah.

I get what you're saying is so true is because it, he, the countdown to zero. Yeah. I go, I go with your say is so true is because it he the bad guy was trying to get to the other guy to kill him. And so I guess that was in your mind, the ticking clock for my correct. I would say so like I'm just thinking about like, I mean, all right, to throw another comic book reference here. In event, in Avengers, Thanos didn't have like a deadline before he had a snap his fingers. He snapped his fingers when he wanted to when he had all the stones.

So there was no, there was no explicitly ticking clock in that he was a ticking clock, but he was still a compelling villain, right? The stakes with Thanos was him getting his hands on the stones. I hate that you you're you're you're setting me off like I did it on purpose. I know you did it on purpose. The trigger you I was I swear I wasn't trying to trigger. I took a nice deep breath. I say he, first of all, when you, when you mentioned that true, I was like looking at, excuse me, sir. Actually, how dare you? Oh, man.

Man, Drew is the first time you gas lit a magida, I guess. Oh my God. Did he did gaslight? We didn't need and everything. I didn't even mean to. I didn't even mean to. That's the expert mode. I could tell like from the look on his face, Drew, when you mentioned that, I was like,

Oh, don't be jeez get it into it. Yeah. See Brad point of popcorn. But seriously though. Seriously Thanos. Seriously. I can take this. I can take this.

I can take this. So you're correct in that Thanos did not have a taking time clock. However, the Avengers did have a taking time clock against Thanos. Right. Thanos was the ticking time clock. Right. So with them.

So in that same, in that same respect, then Lazarus was the ticking time clock. Yeah. And so that's, that's kind of how we really into that sense. There's actually Lazarus was Thanos. Actually, Infinity War is more of a race. Who could get to the stones quickly? Well, one team, oh, no, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I mean, the stones could be an allegory for the dilatine crystals. So tune in next time to yet another Marvel podcast. You had another Infinity War podcast. I'm gonna watch you finish it. Oh gosh.

Oh, I have one of those tension headaches. I want to kind of like wrap around your head. Oh, is this what it is to get triggered? Oh gosh. All right. I wasn't even trying. Where do I try? You're gonna talk drunk about the rock aren't you?

I'm so proud of you Drew. Thank you, Brad. Thank you. Thank you. So you're gonna the to him about the rock aren't you? I'm so proud of you Drew. Thank you, Brad. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So you're gonna the rock they announced live action in Moana and I think I have a shout out at being cast as Maui. I think I can probably do it. I think the rock would get cast first.

I think he's gonna cast himself as Maui, but I mean, I don't know who that is. Bro, I haven't seen it. Oh, my. I don't know. I haven't seen it. You don't watch this with the cats. You don't watch kids movies with the cats. Look, man, I have to I have time to watch two one hour episodes of TV. I don't have time to watch one, two hour movie, but you watch it to our baseball game. It is once once in a lifetime, man. It's going to be a little closer. It's the question. It's the question of three hours. So I thought they made rule changes to make the game worse. I mean, better, I mean, quicker.

They did. It is quicker. But instead of being three and a half hours, now it's like two and a half to three hours. 180 something games a year, 62, 162. How are the mental and the topic? How are the meds doing? What is that? How are the meds doing right now? Well, we just got shut out two games. So let's see here. We lost 10 to zero to Milwaukee two days ago. Yesterday we lost 9 to 0 and today we lost 7 to 6. So we got swept. Not a good day for my boys.

Well, you know, it's only been given the season that Yankees are already doing better than you. But yeah, that's neither you. So they're gonna go play the Steelers next, right? Shop, Brad. Ha ha ha. They're pronounced, uh, oh no, no Brad,

and they're done through the Pirates, but no. Ha ha ha ha. Ha, gosh. This is what it's come to us trying to gaslight each other. This is what we do now. I mean, basically. Okay, that's what the listeners tune for. It's just like us gasling each other.

All right, guys. Alright guys, well I think we've exhausted gaslighting. I mean, at whom are my kidding, there's always room for more gaslighting, but I think it's time we give this thing a score, what do you guys say? Yeah, I think it's a good time to pivot into that. Alright, so Brad, let's start with you. So for an episode where a whole lot of nothing happens, and quite frankly, one of the shortest summaries I've ever had to run, overall, it was surprisingly

entertaining. And I think the thing that I found most entertaining was the campiness. It was over the top campiness in my mind, and this was like, it's true stature at campiness. I think I really enjoyed that part of it. It wasn't perfect by any, you know, fair for imagination, but it was entertaining to a point where I if it was this was on I came across it

I probably watch it and I I give this a pretty solid seven Hmm, I'm bad that bad Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat as you man like this this episode started out really poorly and I was kind of bracing for the worst, right. But as as the episode kind of progressed, I found myself becoming more and more intrigued by the story. And once I was able to get past the really cheesy special effects, I love that, though, that was like what made it for me. Cause to me, that was just like the most ridiculousness. I mean, it was, but like it was almost like

fourth wall breaking at first too, you know? Like you could tell like somebody got his hands and some new toy and wanted to try it out. And he's like, whoa, I know I know a guy that works on this crazy space show. Yeah, it's called Star Trek. They'll this will fit in perfectly there. So that's not how that works. That's exactly how it works.

No, they anyway, they win in Dynam and they do cocaine together and they have this right idea about the old drunk. And that's how you sell it. You make them sign a contract. You sound like you're an expert at that. I've been run block a few times. Ooh, is that a admission of guilt? I gotta ask our lawyer friend.

I don't have to, I mean, I have to Venmo her a dollar put on a retainer. Is that how that works? I don't know, you'll have to ask her. But all that to say, yeah, I think I'm surprised to have landed on a seven for my score because I really thought that this was going to be bad and I was pretty cringey on it at first,

but I ended up liking this and I would definitely leave this on. So next week, what episode are we looking at here? I gave you no score. You literally just scared so for me. I know you gave it a zero. It's like, okay, all right. All right. This is this is what happens, what I'm not around. This is what happens when you guys talk about Picard. It's just you and Brad and your fellow to the cycle.

But if it's okay with you, true, like to give my score. Please go on. Okay. I'll try to fluff it up a little bit, Brad. Thank you. God, it's just episode was, what year was it supposed to release true

67 yeah now it shows Listen this is this is the kind of acid trip episode. This is the kind of things you hear about in in those Stories about your parents party in in the 60s and 70s This is it this was the the episode that helped cause woodstock. Maybe we can fact check that and just maybe just put it on Twitter. We'll get it trending. But I mean, maybe. It was so... I mean, maybe, you know, it was so... Bread, the way you described it is, it's the most Star Trek-esque episode.

I have to agree with you, man. What? You didn't say that to me? You didn't say that to me? Hang on. Hang on, I have to... You know what? Listen. You may not have said it to me, but do you, do you mean

this is what happens when Star Trek does acid? Yes. But also the most Star Trek-ass episode, Star Trek. It's, I don't know, man. It's the only thing it was missing for me is, is, God, what is his name? Sulu and, wow, I'll be here. Guys, you weren't on the episode? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sulu wasn't there.

I don't think Scotty was there. Scotty wasn't there. Scotty's talking to be there for a while, though, likeulu wasn't there. I don't think Scotty was there. Scotty wasn't there. Scotty's not gonna be there for a while though, like full time, right? I mean, he's a regular. And then we won't get well she until they do the musical reunion. Correct.

Wow, the Russian guy. Oh, check off. Check off. My God, that was so good. But you haven't seen him yet though. He hasn't been there? Check off. My God. So, but you haven't seen him yet, though. He hasn't been there. Check off has not appeared yet. He hasn't.

He's not in the series yet. Oh, all right. Get him until season two. Oh, spoiler alert. Is it? Yeah. Maybe. Anyway, all that being said, I thought the episode was hilarious.

The catch up for the bruises, elongated Kirk getting his butt worked and saying, no, don't jump in, I got this. I'll be in the main handle. Lazarus falling off of a cliff. And I'm certain that there is some correlation, some connection between the character of Lazarus, the character name of Lazarus and him just appearing on this planet.

Like there's some connection I'm not making, but it seems like it's right there in front of me. That being said, I would give this episode a solid five. I don't know if you guys like use the word solid before you give every score a score. I can explain why. Please, please do. Because it's so, because the entertaining.

Because so I'm using solid because I'm stuck on that number. Also, if it were like a 5.5, it's not very solid at that point. It's wobbly because it's in between two numbers. But I can promise you that I've heard solid 9.5 come out of either one in your mouth. So I feel like I started the word solid and Magigi's just copied me.

I'm like, you totally did. That's exactly what happened. Oh my God, I copy Brad. No way. I come Brad can't copy me and like, you totally did. That's exactly how it happened. Oh my god. I copy Brad. No way. Yeah. Yeah. I come Brad can't copy me and like, you know, do some shoulder presses and stuff. Valet. I have a joke, but it's not a pro for the podcast. Just do it. You do bleep it out. Just do it.

Fix it in a post because you'll claim it's cultural appropriation. Oh my god. I love to take this one offline then. Oh gosh. Oh, all right. Okay. All right. What do we watch it next week? True guys guys guys guys. I am very excited. Next week we're watching one of the all-time greats. The city on the edge of forever. I'm looking for it to that one. Meji, I'm really looking for it to that one. I've been counting down for it. Mijee, this is like in a lot of people's top, like, it's in a lot of people's top ten lists and it's in some people's like top three of all of Star Trek. Very curious to see how that holds up.

Yeah, no, me too. I'm also in for the one where Spock gets like genetically, like, you know, Riled up like, mm, mama, mama. He has to go back to his home planet and he ends up fighting her and then the music is playing. Bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap, bap. Can you do your Spock impression when we're time please?

Wish, push part. Ah! He gets so riled up like, oh mama mama. Such a horrible impression. You are. Logically, the right dimensions 36, 24, 36. Oh my god. You see just one eyebrow, spot just pop up. That's how does eyebrow.

It's so. Oh. I'm sure you've just broken grip. All right, we need to wrap this up. That's it, everybody. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. Good night.

Good night. Oh, God. Thanks for listening to yet another Star Trek podcast, we're part of the Retro Sessions Network. This episode was recorded on April 5, 2023. It's hosted by Brad Drew and Majeed. Thanks to Majeed for being Majeed. Thanks to Brad for being Brad and thanks to me for being Drew.

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