Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Amberly Lago: Never Give Up | E118

Episode Date: June 14, 2021

Regardless of the situation, always have true grit and grace! In this episode, we are chatting with Amberly Lago, best-selling author, speaker, podcast host, and health coach. She started her speaking... career after her life was deeply altered and her world was completely changed in May 2010. While riding her motorcycle in Woodland Hills, CA, she was hit by an SUV and thrown thirty feet down a busy street. Her right leg took the brunt of the impact and was crushed almost beyond repair. Despite an incredibly difficult recovery process, being a former professional dancer, athlete, and fitness trainer, she was determined to not only save her leg, but her career, her dreams, and her dignity. After a lengthy hospital stay and 34 surgeries, doctors were able to fuse her leg together and repair her severed femoral artery despite the one percent odds of saving it and the initial recommendation to amputate. Her life experience and the proven strategies she has created to understand and maximize resilience resonate with companies whose core values include perseverance, grit, passion, and team building. And for audiences living with chronic pain (like her from CRPS) she delivers a powerful message of hope and offers solutions at conferences, workshops, and clinics. In today’s episode, we discuss Amberly’s upbringing, how she survived abuse as a child, the importance of forgiveness, and how to most past self-pity. We also dive deeper into the repercussions of her car accident, how to pace (not push) yourself through pain, and how Amberly starts her days off with reminders of gratitude. Amberly’s story is incredibly powerful and inspiring - you won’t want to miss this episode!   Sponsored by -    Policygenius. Head to policygenius.com to get started.   NordVPN. Go to nordvpn.com/yap or use a coupon YAP to get a 2-year plan plus 1 additional month with a huge discount!   Podbean. Go to podbean.com/hala to start boosting your business with podcast advertising.   Social Media:   Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at Hala@YoungandProfiting.com Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Follow Hala on ClubHouse: @halataha Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com   Timestamps:   01:11 - How Tough Love Shaped Amberly in Her Childhood 06:08 - How Amberly Survived Sexual Abuse 15:48 - Amberly’s Take on Forgiveness  19:39 - The Way Amberly Moved Past Self-Pity 24:49 - Amberly’s Adult Life as a Single Mom and Her Accident 34:15 - How Amberly Deals with Chronic Pain and How to Sensitive 43:08 - Where Amberly Got Her ‘Grace’ From 47:51 - The Way Amberly Starts Her Day  51:40 - How to Pace Yourself Through Pain 59:05 - Amberly’s Career Evolution 1:09:52 - Amberly’s Secret to Profiting in Life   Mentioned in the Episode:   Amberly’s Website: https://amberlylago.com/ Amberly’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amberlylagomotivation/ Amberly’s Podcast, True Grit and Grace: https://amberlylago.com/podcast/ Amberly’s Book: https://amberlylago.com/book/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode of YAP is sponsored in part by Shopify. Shopify simplifies selling online and in-person so you can focus on successfully growing your business. Sign up for a $1 per month trial period at Shopify.com slash profiting. You're listening to YAP, Young and Profiting Podcast, a place where you can listen, learn, and profit. Welcome to the show.
Starting point is 00:00:23 I'm your host, Halla Taha, and on Young and Profiting Podcast, we investigate a new topic each week and interview some of the brightest minds in the world. My goal is to turn their wisdom into actionable advice that you can use in your everyday life, no matter your age, profession, or industry. There's no fluff on this podcast, And that's on purpose. I'm here
Starting point is 00:00:45 to uncover value from my guests by doing the proper research and asking the right questions. If you're new to the show, we've chatted with the likes of XFBI agents, real estate moguls, self-made billionaires, CEOs, and bestselling authors. Our subject matter ranges from enhancing productivity, had to gain influence, the art of entrepreneurship, and more. If you're smart and like to continually improve yourself, hit the subscribe button because you'll love it here at Young and Profiting Podcast. This week on YAP, we're chatting with Amber Lago, a health and wellness coach, best-selling author, podcast host, and TEDx speaker.
Starting point is 00:01:23 As a former professional dancer and athlete, Amber Lee Lago's life was turned upside down at 38 when she was hit by an SUV. The tragic accident left her in a coma and the doctors told her she would never walk again. But Amber Lee being Amber Lee found the strength and perseverance to walk again, and she did much more than that too. She's now a leading expert in transformation and wellness, and she speaks in stages all over the world to offer hope and solutions for those struggling through life's obstacles or dealing with chronic pain. She's also the best-selling author of
Starting point is 00:01:55 TruGrit and Grace Turning Tragedy into Triumph and the host of TruGrit and Grace Podcast, which I was lucky enough to be a guest on. In this episode, Amberly and I will discuss her amazing healing journey and how she overcame countless challenges that were thrown her way. She'll share with us her Pacer method so we can turn our tragedies into triumph and we'll also go over her morning routine and understand how she gets the grace to go along with her grit. Hey, Amberly, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:24 I'm so excited to be here with you. Thank you for having me. I've been looking forward to this for a while now. So this best way to start my day. Same here. You know, I came on your podcast. It was such a great episode that I replayed online. You're so talented. Thank you. I saw that.
Starting point is 00:02:43 I was like blown away and I shared it too. I know I saw. Thank you. I saw that. I was blown away and I shared it too. I know. I saw it. Thank you. It's so nice to talk to somebody who just makes you feel warm every time you speak to them. And that's how I feel with you. We've had multiple interactions, a couple of meetings.
Starting point is 00:02:59 You were on a clubhouse panel that we also had on the podcast. And you're just such an inspiration. So I'm so excited for this conversation. And I just can't wait to get started. So let's bring it back to your child. That from my understanding, you grew up in Greenville, Texas, in a pretty small town, 20,000 people, like 50 miles outside of Dallas.
Starting point is 00:03:18 And you are a tomboy from my understanding. You are a tough cookie growing up. And so I want to understand what your childhood was like and how that tough love really shaped your character like the tough love that your family gave you and how that shaped your character. Oh, you know, thank you. You just took me back, girl. It's so funny. Yes, I was a Tom Boy.
Starting point is 00:03:39 I remember when I was about 18, I went on my first dance job. I was booked for a job. I grew up a dancer. And I think my mom put me in dance because it was kind of the girly thing to do. You know, Texas was like all about the pageants and being a southern bell. And there I was wearing combat boots and my brother's old jeans and a white t-shirt. And so when I went on my first dance job at 18, I remember there was one of the girls that I was working with that she taught
Starting point is 00:04:12 me how to wear makeup. And so the first time I ever really started wearing makeup or anything like that. And I'm grateful for the struggles that I had as a kid because it really did develop not just the grit that I have today, but it also really taught me about gratitude and the value of the dollar and how important it is to really work hard for something that you love because, you know, there were seven of us kids all together. Well, well, two were my stepbrother and a step
Starting point is 00:04:50 sister. So they lived with us in the summers. But there were seven of us. And my, you know, we didn't have much money. So if we wanted something, we had to work for it. You know, I just had a conversation with one of my daughter's friends who's a little bit older and she was upset because her parents wouldn't let her spend the night with her boyfriend. And I'm like, well, you need to get your driver's license. You need to get a job. I said, that's freedom. So for me, I knew, like, I had big dreams. I knew by the time I was really probably eight years old that I wanted to move to California and be a professional dancer.
Starting point is 00:05:28 That's when an MTV came out and I know a lot about that. And I saw these music videos and I thought, wow, I could actually get paid to dance and do things that I love. And so I knew the only way I was gonna get to do that was if I worked hard, saved up the money. And so I worked for jobs. I mean, I was a lifeguard, I babysat, I taught dance,
Starting point is 00:05:56 I worked at this little place called the cookie jar. And I was able to save up $1,200 and packed up my little Suzuki samurai. That was the car that I'd saved up money to buy while I was making payments on it. And I think it was not only this deep passion that I had for dance and I really wanted to go after my dreams, but I also didn't have a safe place growing up when my mom remarried. I was sexually abused by my stepfather. And so I knew I had to get out of there. And so I think I was fueled by my passion.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I had learned grit from my brother beating the crap out of me growing up. I mean, he blesses heart were friends now, but that was tough, but it taught me how to defend myself. And it's one of the things that got me into Croft McGaw and boxing and we tie. But I think all those things combined really pushed me to move out here despite a lot of people saying, you'll never
Starting point is 00:07:05 make it. What are you doing? Who do you think you are? You're just some small town girl. You'll never make it in the big city. And I was, I had to make it because I was not going to go back and live in that small town under the roof with someone who abused me emotionally, sexually, physically. And so I think sometimes that pain can motivate us to do things that are sometimes scary, but it's like, which is more scary, being in that situation or going after my dreams. And so I chose to go after my dreams. And here I am in California. Gosh, 30 years later, I'm still here. I love it here. Wow. Oh my gosh. There's so many ways we can take this. I want to stick on the sexual abuse with your stepfather because that must have been so hard to be living under the roof of somebody
Starting point is 00:08:05 who was abusing you. And from my understanding, like you didn't tell your mom for a while, you didn't really tell anyone for a while. So what was going through your head and try to take yourself back there. And I know that's probably going to be difficult. So share as much as you feel comfortable. Try to take us back there and then give your advice in terms of like, what would you tell a young woman going through the same thing right now? And how would you tell her
Starting point is 00:08:31 to deal with it? Well, you know, there's a lot of shame. There's a lot of fear that just goes along with the sexual abuse. And for a long time, I couldn't talk about it. And it actually, I thought that I had dealt with that trauma. And it wasn't until I started writing my book that I realized, oh my gosh, things that I thought that I had really emotionally processed, I realized I was just running from my whole life. Like I ran, really ran physically ran. I became like a track star set a record in Texas, but I also ran, I ran to California. And it wasn't until I started really doing some of the emotional healing work with therapist,
Starting point is 00:09:21 with writing, meditation, prayer that I started to heal, but during that time, it's really confusing as a kid, because, and I look at my daughters now, and when my oldest daughter turned eight, and then when my youngest daughter turned eight years old, I didn't realize things were coming up, and I suddenly became this big mom of air and it's because that's how old I was when the abuse started to happen and I was confused because
Starting point is 00:09:56 I trusted my stepdad and when someone tells you that this is okay and this is how dads teach their daughters, but you know in your gut that it doesn't feel right and when you speak out on it and they say you're wrong, it really there's this disconnect it teaches you not to trust your gut. And so it's been a long process of really learning to trust my gut and the thing is, you know, our heads might tell something or heart might tell something, but our guts never lie. We know that feeling when something's right or wrong.
Starting point is 00:10:33 And I was scared because I was so young and he said, I will kill your mom if you tell anyone. And I believed him. So for a long time, I didn't tell anyone, and I just never felt safe. And I finally got the courage to tell my dad. And that was your real father, my real dad. And that took so much courage because like I said,
Starting point is 00:11:00 you feel like it's your fault, like you're damaged. I felt broken, I felt so much shame, and but I was so scared and I didn't want it to continue. I went to my dad and I told him, and I said, Dad, you can't tell anybody. Promise me you won't tell anybody, but because he said, he'll hurt mom, he'll kill her, but but my dad never told anyone and he never did anything. And that was so hard because I felt, not only did I feel okay, at first, I'm not protected, I'm not safe, I felt unworthy, like,
Starting point is 00:11:40 well, I'm not even worthy enough for protection, I'm not even worthy enough for someone to stand up for me. And that's all I really wanted was for him to go in and save me. But you know what, it taught me, it taught me that we have to save ourselves, that we have to stick up for ourselves. And it taught me, well, I'm going to have to really take care of myself. And so it wasn't long after that
Starting point is 00:12:06 that I remember it was the last time my stepfather ever laid a hand on me. And I was in my room and he came in my room. And I, he grabbed me by the head and pulled me back. And this is probably a lot to share, but pulled my head back, pulled my hair back on the bed. And I kicked him. Ooh, didn't mean to get emotional.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Oh, I'm sorry, I'm really. Wow, you know what? I fought him off. And that was the last day he ever laid a hand on me again. And I think that goes along with like, and I'm not saying you should always use you know kicking and screaming, but sometimes I think maybe have to. But he never laid a hand on me after that. And there was a lot of emotional, you know, I remember he would he would look at me and say, my mom would be doing the dishes and he would mouth to me. You know, I remember he would he would he would look at me and say, my
Starting point is 00:13:05 mom would be doing the dishes and he would mouth to me. You just wait till your mother leaves. So I never felt safe and safety. I think we all just want to feel safe. We want to feel loved. We want to feel seen and heard. And so my default became to do something that made me feel good. Thank goodness. I think it's so important for kids, nowadays, especially, to have something, to have an outlet.
Starting point is 00:13:39 And for me, I'm so grateful. I had the outlet of athleticism. I turned to dance. I became a straight-A student and a bit of an overachiever. I mean, I was our member. When I graduated from high school, the principal called my mom and said, you know, your daughter has won every category. She's been chosen for class favorite, most likely to succeed, most school spirit, miss Greenville High School. She can only choose
Starting point is 00:14:15 two, so let her choose two of the two things that she wants to be nominated for. And so I think it shows that, you know, even though things may happen that are just horrible and heartbreaking and hard, that we have a choice to do something that brings us joy despite our circumstances, that we don't have to, even though that brought a lot of shame for me, we don't have to live in shame. We can walk with our head held high and we can't overcome things. And just because some bad things happen, doesn't mean that we're broken.
Starting point is 00:14:57 It means that we can heal and we can be resilient and we can get through those things. And I would say to anyone that is going through something like that, there's so much more nowadays, but thanks to social media, where people are talking about it. It's not such this big dark secret. And I would say reach out for help. And if the first person doesn't help you, then they're just not capable of helping. And you know, my dad did the best that he could. And it wasn't until actually I wrote my book
Starting point is 00:15:33 and I let him read the manuscript and I didn't wanna hurt anybody when I shared this part in the book, but it ended up being the most healing thing that came out of my book was, I healed my relationship with my dad and we were able to talk about those moments and you know he had a really rough childhood and I was able to kind of break that cycle of abuse and trauma by speaking up and having
Starting point is 00:15:58 a voice and now I talk to my daughters about that. So they know that no, it's never okay for anyone to touch you in an appropriate way or say inappropriate things. And I teach my daughters it's okay to cry because for the longest time, I didn't cry. I mean, so I'm grateful for these tears because I think from the age maybe 10 to I think I was 25 I never cried. And it wasn't until one day I was at the airport and I'd missed my flight and my oldest daughter I dropped my bags and started crying and she said, Mommy, I didn't know you knew how to cry.
Starting point is 00:16:43 And it was because my stepfather would look at me when I cried and he'd say, see, I got you. I knew I had the best of you. I knew I could make you cry. So now when my daughters start to cry, I'm like, yeah, you cry. Let it all out. Those are healing tears. Let it out.
Starting point is 00:17:00 You know, there's a time to get gritty. And, you know, suck it up., served me well for a long time, but there's also a time to really let those feelings come up so you can process them and feel them. So I would say to anybody going through any sort of situation like that, reach out, reach out for help. There's so much support now thanks to social media. Oh my gosh, and really thank you so much for sharing that. I know that that was difficult, but I think you probably helped a lot of people and inspired a lot of people with that story. So let's talk about forgiveness. Like, did you forgive your stepfather? Did you forgive
Starting point is 00:17:37 your mother for kind of not allowing it to happen, but not being aware enough, I guess, to know it was happening. And how did you deal with that? You know, forgiveness is, it sets us free. It's the gift that we give to ourselves actually. And for me, I never, and I've had therapists say, well, you must be upset with your mom. And honestly, my mom is such an incredible mom. She worked so hard. She had kids she put food on the table. She most of the time had two jobs at one time.
Starting point is 00:18:19 And it's hard to see everything that's going on. And with five kids, with two step kids that she had, I can only imagine, you know? And so I've never held any sort of resentment or anything for her. I hold such gratitude for her. In fact, when I had my own kids, I didn't know that I could have more gratitude for her,
Starting point is 00:18:44 but she had a lot of guilt about it. And so I said, Mom, I've healed from that. I've done, and I know someone has said, you know, when you cry, it means you haven't healed. And I'm like, I don't know if I believe that. I think that I don't know if you can ever completely 100% heal something like that. I think it's always things that will come up and you realize, oh, that's a layer that I need to work through or an
Starting point is 00:19:11 emotion I need to work through. And so my mom and I have a really great relationship where we can talk and but she did when I let her read the manuscript before the book was sent to the publisher, she said, well, can you, I wanted her to have an opportunity to have her say in the book. She said, well, can you write in there? If I could have done this, I would have done this. If I knew about the abuse and I said, but mom, this isn't a book about could of what it should have. It's a book about this is what happened and this is what I have done because of it. And so in other words, certain, you know, things don't always go as planned. But, you know, these are the cards I've been
Starting point is 00:19:51 dealt and I'm going to choose to play that hell out of these cards. And so I think it was really healing for her as well. Forgiveness with my dad, I didn't realize that I did need to forgive him for that time when I was a little girl and I just wanted to be rescued and saved, but I have, like I said, been able to really have meaningful deep conversations. And I think that that's part of being resilient and moving forward is when you can have those meaningful conversations that really matter that are hard. They're not so easy, but when you can have those conversations that count. So it's been a difficult process, but a very
Starting point is 00:20:38 rewarding journey because I have the kind of relationship now with my dad that I've always wanted to have. I'm really happy to hear that. I know that it probably helped you, which we'll get into a bit later on when you faced a lot of different setbacks with your health and everything like that. I'm sure going through really traumatic experiences like that and coming out the other side kind of taught you how to overcome setbacks, even if you didn't realize it then, even if you didn't realize that you had built that kind of strengths you how to overcome that. Even if you didn't realize it then, even if you didn't realize that you had built that kind of strength within you.
Starting point is 00:21:08 So let's talk about self-pity, because a lot of people have things happen to them, and they are stuck in this self-pity, and they just feel sorry for themselves. And, you know, what was me? How did you decide that you were gonna be stronger than that and focus on the present, the future, and not your past and just feel sorry for yourself? Well, you know what, I think we've all been there, right?
Starting point is 00:21:34 We've all had days for like, oh man, this sucks, woes man. Why me? Like, whether we've lost a job or, you know, our husband cheered on us me, you know, why me? Like, I, whether we've lost a job or, you know, our husband cheered on us or, you know, my husband didn't, my first husband did. Just wanted to make that clear. But I remember sitting in the hospital bed and I was, I mean, I was having that pity party.
Starting point is 00:22:02 I was like, oh my gosh, it was the moment when I was watching an infomercial about how to get a Brazilian butt. And I remember watching that commercial, and I was a fitness trainer. I was sponsored by Nike. I was nationally recognized as a fitness coach doing infomercials.
Starting point is 00:22:25 The day before I had a horrific accident, I was doing a fitness video. I was on the labels of vitamins. So if you walked into like CVS or Rite Aid, you'd see my picture with my daughter for this vitamin company called Hot Mommies. And so I was sitting there going, oh my gosh, there and down at my leg, which was held together
Starting point is 00:22:46 with these metal rods and completely exposed. I could see the inside of my leg. I had tubes coming out both arms and a pick line that went straight into my heart. And I started thinking, wow, me, oh my gosh, I I'm never gonna have a Brazilian, but what if I never wear a bathing suit again? And it became this roller coaster of emotions of what if, and what if my husband never loves me, what if I never walk again, what if today's the day they're going to amputate my leg? And I was like, whoa, I am crashing hard, and then I realize, you know, we have a choice. We can keep going down that road.
Starting point is 00:23:28 And it's okay to have those feelings and have that pity party. We just can't stay there. Or it will change the rest of our life, the whole course of our life. And so I thought, instead of why me, what's next? Well, what can I do? So that's when I grabbed this little note pad that I still have and I started writing down
Starting point is 00:23:51 everybody that had come into the hospital to see me, to give me gifts and food and flowers, every nurse that was taking care of me. So I wouldn't forget their name when they walked in to take blood or whatever. And I noticed how it really started changing the way I felt. Instead of looking down at my leg and feeling sorry for myself, I started thinking about how blessed I was for still being alive.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And you know, this morning, I think one of the reasons I'm so emotional is today is actually the day that 11 years ago I was hit by the SUV. And so today, I kind of take this day and celebrate life that I've been given a second chance. And I think that every day is a day for all of us to choose to celebrate life and the quickest and easiest way to get out of that victim mentality is to think about how grateful you are and there's always something to be grateful for. But I think we can have that victim mentality and say why me or we can have the mentality of a victor and say, what's next? Why not me? Maybe I can heal and show others how they can walk through those difficult times too.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And so gratitude is something I practice every morning. And this morning I also write to my sponsor. I've been sober for five years. This journey took me down a dark path where I also write to my sponsor. I've been sober for five years. This journey took me down a dark path where I started trying to drink for pain and I actually wrote to my sponsor this morning, gratitude and on top of that gratitude list was you that I got to be with you on your podcast because it's such an honor
Starting point is 00:25:42 because you're somebody I really look up to, especially with all that you've done with your life and your hard times. And so I'm just grateful to be here with you. Oh, Amberly, I'm so grateful for you. This is just like a love fest. Wow, I'm so honored that you know, you're spending such a powerful day for you with us on the podcast and I don't want to like bulldoze over this really important story and Turning point in your life when you got into this terrible accident like I was meaning to actually tell that story to our listeners Because I think it's so powerful. So you went to California Your career blew up. You're a dancer, you're an MC Hammer music video.
Starting point is 00:26:27 That was your big break, right? You said you were sponsored by Nike or on the faith, you were like on vitamins and vitamins and like people would see you in stores, you know, you became recognized as somebody really dominating in your field of fitness and dance. And you did it on your own, like you told us you basically ran away from home 18. And you did it on your own, like you told us, you basically ran away from home 18 years old and did it on your own, which is just so amazing. And then everything was just like a, it sounds like you just had a wonderful life
Starting point is 00:26:58 from 18 to 38, you know, or. Yeah, well, I was a single mom for a long time. And I- Tell us about, tell us that period 18 was a single mom for a long time. Tell us about... Tell us that period, 18 to 38, and then what happened that day? Well, you know, I think that I had worked hard to build my career as a dancer and then that transitioned into fitness. In between then, I met my ex-husband who my family was not very approving of.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Sorry, Savannah, my daughter, if you listen to this, but you know her dad, I'm grateful for because he gave me my beautiful daughter. But he had hair down to his butt. He was a rocker. I didn't know at the time. He was, had a little bit of some addiction problems, but he was a bad boy and I had never had a bunch of, I never dated or had a lot of boyfriends. Like I said, I was a tomboy and I didn't even develop. You know, grow and fill out a little bit until after high school actually. And so I met him and he swept me off my feet. That was very short-lived. I got pregnant three months after meeting him
Starting point is 00:28:09 and I got married when I was eight months pregnant. And I was really a disgrace to my family because I grew up in the Bible belt and I was living and sin. And so I decided at eight months to marry him to make it right. Even though I knew again in my gut that this is not going to work out, but I was pregnant and I was trying to do the right thing.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And so I think I married him because I wanted the approval of my family. And that was the right thing to do. Well, we were divorced by the time she was a year old. He was cheating on me. His, I won't throw him under the bus completely, but it wasn't good. And so I was a single mom for years, and my oldest daughter used to go to work with me,
Starting point is 00:28:58 and she would hide under the little office cubicle and the cubicle under the desk while I would train clients. She learned how to be a lady and sit and have manners because I had very high-end clients and Beverly Hills that were very well to do. And I was always invited to their galas and their parties and their, you know, their tea parties and they would always invite me.
Starting point is 00:29:25 I was there, what they called me was their aerobics girl. And so I would be invited and my daughter went everywhere with me. So she went with me and she learned how to sit and put an app in her lap and engage with them and have conversation. And she also learned the hard work pays off because I was able to buy my first house again after having lost everything, my ex-husband took everything. He took the house, he took my savings, he ran up my credit card bills, it was terrible. He destroyed my credit.
Starting point is 00:30:03 And so I rebuilt everything and rebuilt this business. It had several trainers that worked for me. It was a big business. So she saw that how hard I worked through those moments. And I have to just say, I'm so proud of her because she just got accepted to Yale. So she's going to be going to Yale. She wants to be a doctor. And I think that seeing me go through so many surgeries, I asked her, I'm like, what made you want to become a doctor? And she's like, mom, you did. Seeing you go through 34 surgeries is, and so she, I'm so proud of her. And so when I, life was good when, right before I had my accident, I finally met the man of my dreams. I thought I was going to be a single mom forever.
Starting point is 00:30:53 I was good with that. But we were told that we weren't able to have children together. Miraculously, we conceived. I have Ruby who is like my little mini me. She's a little athlete and a tomboy and I mean she's so much fun and life was really good and my career was booming and that's when I was doing the infomercials and contributing to magazines like shape and fit pregnancy and in a blink of an eye everything changed and I think that's like I, one of the reasons I was so emotional,
Starting point is 00:31:27 because I was thinking, you know, how grateful I am to be able to live life, to walk again when I was told I'd be wheelchair bound, to love again when I thought, oh my gosh, is my husband going to stick with me through all of this. And so I just feel so blessed. And I think sometimes it's important. We can get on that hamster wheel and everything can get busy. And we forget to think of just the little things that we're grateful for.
Starting point is 00:31:57 And so for me, I'm just so grateful this morning. I was like, I can get up and make coffee. I can't. And that's a lot of instead of saying, I have to do something. When you say, I get to do something, it just changes everything as well. So yes, I'm proud of my daughter. I'm like, for me, who I never even went to college to have a daughter go to Yale is like, yeah, that's, it's a miracle. It's amazing. It's hard work. Young and profitors, do you have a daughter go to Yale is like, yeah, that's it's a miracle. It's amazing. It's hard work
Starting point is 00:32:26 Young and profitors do you have a brilliant business idea, but you don't know how to move forward with it? Going into debt for a four-year degree isn't the only path to success Instead learn everything you need to know about running a business for free by listening to the millionaire university podcast. The millionaire University podcast is a show that's changing the game for aspiring entrepreneurs. Hosted by Justin and Tara Williams, it's the ultimate resource for those who want to run a successful business and graduate rich, not broke.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Justin and Tara started from Square One, just like you and me. They faced lows and dug themselves out of huge debt. Now they're financially free and they're sharing their hard earned lessons with all of us. That's right, millionaire university will teach you everything you need to know about starting and growing a successful business. No degrees required. In each episode, you'll gain invaluable insights from seasoned entrepreneurs and mentors who truly understand what it takes to succeed. From topics like how to start a software business without creating
Starting point is 00:33:22 your own software, to more broad discussions such as eight businesses you can start tomorrow to make 10K plus a month, this podcast has it all. So don't wait, now is the time to turn your business idea into a reality by listening to the Millionaire University podcast. New episodes drop Mondays and Thursdays, find the Millionaire University podcast on Apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Your dog is an important part of your family. Don't settle when it comes to their health.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Make the switch to fresh food made with real ingredients that are backed by science with nom nom nom. Nom nom delivers fresh dog food that is personalized to your dog's individual needs. Each portion is tailored to ensure your dog gets the nutrition they need so you can watch them thrive. Nom nom's ingredients are cooked individually and then mixed together, because science tells us that every protein, carb, and veggie has different cooking times and methods. This packs in all the vitamins and minerals your dog needs, so they truly get the most
Starting point is 00:34:17 out of every single bite. And nom-nom is completely free of additives, fillers, and mystery ingredients that contribute to bloating and low energy. Your dog deserves only the best, and nom nom delivers just that. Their nutrient packed recipes are crafted by board certified veterinary nutritionists, made fresh and shipped to your door. Absolutely free. Nom nom meals started just $2.40, and every meal is cooked in company-owned kitchens right here in the US.
Starting point is 00:34:46 And they've already delivered over 40 million meals, inspiring clean bowls and wagging tails everywhere. Ever since I started feeding my dog Nom-nom, he's been so much more energetic, and he's getting older, he's a senior dog, but now we've been going on longer walks, and he's much more playful. He used to be pretty sluggish and sleeping all the time, but I've definitely noticed a major improvement since I started feeding him nom nom. And the best part, they offer a money back guarantee. If your dog's tail isn't wagging within 30 days,
Starting point is 00:35:16 they'll refund your first order. No fillers, no nonsense, just nom nom. Go right now for 50% off your no risk two week trial at trinom.com sash app. That's trinom and om.com sash app for 50% off trinom.com slash app. Hear that sound, young and profitors? You should know that sound by now, but in case you don't, that's the sound of another sale on Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform that's revolutionizing millions of businesses worldwide. Whether you sell edgy t-shirts or offer an educational course like me,
Starting point is 00:35:53 Shopify simplifies selling online and in person so you can focus on successfully growing your business. Shopify is packed with industry leading tools that are ready to ignite your growth, giving you complete control over your business and brand without having to learn any new skills in design or code, and Shopify grows with you no matter how big your business gets. Thanks to an endless list of integrations and third-party apps, anything you can think of from on-demand printing to accounting to chatbots, Shopify has everything you need to revolutionize your business. If you're a regular listener, you probably know that I use Shopify to sell my LinkedIn
Starting point is 00:36:29 secrets masterclass. Setting up my Shopify store just took me a few days. I didn't have to worry about my website and how I was going to collect payments and how I was going to trigger abandoned cart emails and all these things that Shopify does for me with just a click of a button. Even setting up my chat bot was just a click of a button. It was so easy to do. Like I said, I just took a couple of days.
Starting point is 00:36:51 And so it just allowed me to focus on my actual product and making sure my LinkedIn masterclass was the best it could be and I was able to focus on my marketing. So Shopify really, really helped me make sure that my masterclass was gonna be a success right off the bat. It enabled focus and focus is everything when it comes to entrepreneurship. With Shopify single dashboard, I can manage my orders and my payments from anywhere in the world. And like I said, it's one of my favorite things to do every day is check my Shopify dashboard. It is a rush of dopamine to see all those blinking lights around the world showing me where everybody
Starting point is 00:37:26 is logging on on the site. I love it. I highly recommend it. Shopify is a platform that I use every single day and it can take your business to the next level. Sign up for a $1 per month trial period at shopfide.com.sash profiting. Again, go to shopfide.com.sash profiting all lowercase to take your business to the next level today. Again, that shopfide.com,
Starting point is 00:37:48 Sush profiting shopfide.com, Sush profiting all lowercase. This is possibility powered by Shopify. I'm sure it's hard work and you must be so proud and I'm sure your daughter looks up to you so much and just, you know, learned so much from you. And honestly, I feel emotional in this interview because I just feel like God has chosen you.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Like, I feel like you've been through so much pain and like unnecessary pain, like compared to most people in the world, like the things that you've dealt with, we didn't really get into it, but guys, she got into it, a very terrible motorcycle accident where an SUV hit her and
Starting point is 00:38:25 they told her that she would have to amputate her leg and she went to 34 surgeries and still has a leg that looks different than everybody else's leg. But what? She can walk, she can run, she can bike, and she focuses on the things that she can do. And like I said, I really think that you were chosen for getting other people out of their circumstances. Like now you're bringing so much good into the world even though you've been through the ringer, you know, and it's just, you're so strong.
Starting point is 00:38:54 And I just wanna say that you're just so strong and you're just so resilient. And this is your purpose, like turning your pain into your purpose, that's what a lot of people come on my show say and that's exactly what you've done. Thank you. Well, I think it can make a pain can be, it has been a really big teacher for me because I used to grit growing up in Texas and being an athlete and a dancer and and I learned a lot about grit, but I think it's also taught me about grace, about giving yourself grace,
Starting point is 00:39:26 about listening to your body and understanding what you need, and also about kindness and being kind to others and having compassion. And especially now with what's going on in the world, you know, I was just at a drive-bar the other day, I don't know if you ever go there. Yeah, and they were so nice and they said, gosh, you know the lady at the front desk remembers you. She's like, you're her favorite part. I'm like, really? That's so nice. And she said, well, it's because you're kind and so many people come in here and they're not kind. And I said, I said, yeah, you know, people are going through a lot, but if you can look at it and understand that maybe they're in pain or they're going through a lot and have some compassion and some kindness and that's that moment, it changes everything. And she said, yeah, but I wish everybody could be a little more kind.
Starting point is 00:40:25 And I think it's so true. If you can just have some a little more compassion, a little more kindness, it can change someone's day, it can change someone's life. And so I think that's what we need right now with so many of us going through. Thank goodness the world's opening up again. It's like that's what gives me hope. Like yes, I just did my first in-person event. I was like yes, I get to hug people, I get to be around people. But it just makes such a difference when we can connect with people with kindness. This episode of YAP is sponsored by NordVPN, the fastest VPN out there. Let's set some context because I'm sure there's some people who don't know what a VPN is. A VPN is a virtual private network
Starting point is 00:41:11 that protects your internet connection and privacy. It also allows you to take control of your IP address so you don't get blocked due to the country that you reside in. At Gap Media, we use VPNs all the time. I run a social media marketing agency and half my team is based in the Philippines and India. And oftentimes, we need multiple people in every social media account
Starting point is 00:41:34 so that we can get our job done. And so LinkedIn, Instagram, they'll flag if there's a lot of people from different countries in the same account, and they'll find it suspicious, even though we're just doing our job, and it's everybody employed at Yat Media working on the account. But that's where NordVPN comes in. It's super easy to use. It just takes a few clicks and you're done, and they have servers in 59 countries. NordVPN runs on every major platform, even your Android TV, and speaking of TV, don't let your location limit what you can watch or the games you can play. If there's a streaming platform or a game not available in your country, you can simply change your
Starting point is 00:42:17 virtual location. And the best part is, there's no more bandwidth throttling. With NordVPN, it encrypts all of your traffic so your internet service provider can't slow down your streaming speed. Go to NordVPN.com slash app and use promo code app to get a two-year plan plus one additional month with a huge discount. And guys, it is a big discount. They have a 30-day money back guarantee, so you've got nothing to lose that's NordVPN.com and ORVPN.com slash app or just use promo code YAP.
Starting point is 00:42:51 This episode of YAP is brought to you by PolicyGenius. It's warming up and the world is finally opening up. Many of us are gearing up to travel and take our first vacations in over a year. And that means there's no better time to save on life insurance. That way you'll have a bigger summer budget for summer things like pool floats, flip-flops, and that new luggage you've been eyeing. Between Father's Day, Flag Day, and National Yo-Yo Day, the month of June has a lot going on.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Thankfully, Policy Genius makes it easy to cross life insurance off your list so you can get back to yo-yoing. In all seriousness, if someone relies on your financial support, whether it's a child, aging parent, or even a business partner, you need life insurance. Policy genius makes it easy to compare quotes from over a dozen top insurers all in one place. And you can save 50% or more on life insurance by comparing quotes with policy genius.
Starting point is 00:43:51 You could save $1,300 or more per year on life insurance by using policy genius to compare policies. And the license experts at policy genius work for you, not the insurance companies. You can trust them to help you navigate every step of the way. And getting started is super easy. Head to policygenius.com and in just minutes you can figure out how much life insurance coverage you need, you can compare personalized quotes and find your best price. When you're ready to apply, the Policy Genius team will handle all the paperwork and all
Starting point is 00:44:23 the scheduling and it's totally for free and they never add on any sketchy fees. Head over to policygenius.com to get started right now. Save 50% or more on life insurance by comparing quotes on policygenius.com. Policy genius. When it comes to insurance, it's nice to get it right. Okay, so I want to talk about your chronic pain. So for my understanding, you, your doctors basically told you when you first got into that accident that they wanted to amputate your leg, but you and your
Starting point is 00:44:55 husband were firm and said, no, you know, we're going to work through this. You found a doctor who would, you know, perform surgeries for use that you could keep your leg, but unfortunately, it's lefty with chronic pain, right? And I think it's called like the suicide disease or something along those lines. So tell us about chronic pain, how you deal with it, and maybe help us understand how many people deal with chronic pain, and maybe like how we as people who don't deal with chronic pain, how it could be more sensitive and like aware of the people that are suffering with that. Thank you for asking about that. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:45:30 well, I just thought, especially being an athlete and being injured before and being a dancer, you get injured, you just work hard, you rest, and you get better. And I couldn't understand why my pain seemed to be getting worse. My leg was a different color. It looked, besides being deformed and scarred, it just looked different. And I remember someone, a friend of mine came over and he said, why is one leg a different color than the other one?
Starting point is 00:46:00 And I'm like, I don't know, it's healing, I don't know. And then I went to one of my doctors and I thought he's gonna be so proud of me because I'm standing upright on crutches and they told me it would take me two years to be upright because my leg was just so crushed into pieces. And I went in to see him and he ran out of the office and I remember looking at my husband and
Starting point is 00:46:26 going, well, that's not the reaction I was hoping for when he comes back in and he said, you've got something very serious. And I said, well, yeah, I know I've got something very serious. I was hit by an SUV said, no, you've got complex regional pain syndrome. Your life is never going to be the same. You're going to be permanently disabled. You need to go back home and get in your wheelchair. And I was like, well, how long do I need to stay in my wheelchair? He said, forever. And I was crushed. I thought, this cannot be the rest of my life.
Starting point is 00:46:56 And so I did probably the worst thing that I could do was I went home and I googled what complex regional pain syndrome was. And it's like, oh, it's the suicide disease. There's no, no, sure. The pain is ranked highest on the pain scale. And you will, your life will never be to say, it was horrible. And all the pictures that came up. And so that really led me to a place of denial. I was like, that's not me. I did not want to look at it. And I think that no matter what we're going through, unless we really take a look at it and we get take radical acceptance for where we are, that's when we can really start to take action steps to feel better. And so there, it's the numbers, not for CRPS, but people with chronic pain, the numbers are crazy. There's like three out of five people are, I think, three out of five that live with
Starting point is 00:47:53 chronic pain. And the chronic pain is when something that is, you know, last for a long period of time, for me, it is sometimes feels like there's a by script around my foot. It's a disease of a sympathetic nervous system. So it's where your your nervous system is all out of whack and there's a constant loop of pain. So I mean, I've tried everything from a spinal stimulator, ketamine infusions, Eastern Western medicine. I was on 73 homeopathic pills, like literally handfuls of pills a day, 11 different prescription medications, and nothing was helping with the pain, and nothing helps except really the
Starting point is 00:48:35 thing that has the most impact made the biggest difference was resilience. And that's something that we all have. And so I had to figure out ways to be more resilient. And that is really not a pill. It's not one thing I do. It's mind-body spirit. And it's a mind-body spirit transformation. And so for me, it's really about, it starts with mindset. And until you can get your mindset right, that's when you can start to say like you were saying earlier about the, you know, why me? When you can get out of that and say, okay, what's next? When you can start to switch the soundtracks in your head, the sound track of saying, oh,
Starting point is 00:49:20 I'll, you know, I'll never work again. I'll never be cured. I'll never, you know, I'm deformed and you can switch that to something a positive affirmation. Even if you don't believe it right away, you start to believe it, if you repeat it and it's powerful, if you say it out loud. So I think it's really important to look at what you're telling yourself because we can be our own worst enemy or we can be our biggest cheerleader.
Starting point is 00:49:45 And then I think it's so important to surround yourself with people who are positive, and I say this, because when I first got diagnosed, I had doctors tell me, well, you need to get in the support group. You need therapy. You need to get on this antidepressant. Antidepressants did not work for me. I tried several different ones,
Starting point is 00:50:04 and I know they worked great for some people, but for me, I threw them up. I tried several different ones, and I know they worked great for some people, but for me, I threw them up. I was sick every day, and I thought, I think I'll just, I know if I can move my body, it'll move my mind, and I'll feel better, because moving your body releases endorphins that combat pain. When you're in pain, sometimes you're scared to move.
Starting point is 00:50:22 You don't want the pain to get worse. There's a, you have to see how much you can move before you know, cause more pain. And then you also have to think about how you can rest. So you can recover. But moving your body is essential. And it not just releases endorphins, it makes you more confidence, it makes you feel capable.
Starting point is 00:50:45 So for example, when I was in the hospital, I couldn't even use the bathroom on my own. I had to use, and that's a humbling experience when you have to use the bed pan, but I knew if I could just try to do things to make me feel stronger mentally, physically, and spiritually, I would be better. So I asked the doctors if they could install a pull-up barb over the bed. I had one of my friends from the gym bring me some dumbbells.
Starting point is 00:51:10 And so I was doing curls from my upper body. I was lifting myself up, but for my bed pan, which the nurses loved. By the way, they're like, oh, good, she can take care of herself. But I did everything I could to make me feel like I was moving in the right direction. And so if you're in pain, it's so important to start where you are, use what you have
Starting point is 00:51:33 and do what you can. Even if that's a little bit, and that's a lot about what I share, like even on, you know, my social media, is things that you can do to start switching your mindset, to start feeling better physically. And so it's, I changed my eating and it changed my life. I cut out alcohol. I started drinking every day when no medications or anything was working. I was like, well, this wine kind of numbs the pain.
Starting point is 00:52:02 Kind of helps me stuff down these feelings a little bit, and I have the family history of addiction, and I knew, oh my gosh, how did I start drinking every day? How did this happen? And so I knew I needed help from that. That was like a vicious cycle. So it's so important to ask yourself, how's working, how's that working for you? Is that helping you or is it hurting you? Is it moving you closer to your goals or further away? Is it causing more pain? Or is it causing you to be more resilient, more power, more empowered?
Starting point is 00:52:40 And so I think it's a process of so many things, of shifting your perspective, of being an acceptance, of having a community of people around you, of getting gritty and tapping into your purpose, having a purpose, and then also resting and really recovering. That's so important. Getting enough sleep. Because I used to just hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle. And it's like, we need to have downtime so we can not just rest our bodies, but also spark creativity. Oh my gosh, she just gave so many awesome gems. I love how you talked about moving your body,
Starting point is 00:53:19 because that's also what you did when you were younger to get out of your pain. You know, you focus on dance, you focus on fitness and running and everything like that to kind of just get over your pain. And so that's definitely something that I feel like you probably learned from your younger years. So your podcast, your book, it's called True, Grit, and Grace. I think that it's very clear where you got your grit from.
Starting point is 00:53:42 But I'd love to hear the grace piece. Like where does grace fit into all of this? And how can we be graceful when we're trying to overcome our adversities? Oh, thank you for asking. And the grace part is something I think I learned the hard way. I mean, I always grew up going to church and I had a God in my life, but I really cut God out and I was all in my ego,
Starting point is 00:54:09 which ego stands for, I think, edging God out. And so I'd kind of lost that connection to my higher power and especially when I started drinking for pain. And that just really, you disconnect you from, and whether you believe in God, for me it's God, or whether you believe in universe, or higher power, my good friend Shannon always says, Gus, let Gus drive the bus. So God, universe, spirit. So always remind myself, get out of myself,
Starting point is 00:54:43 get out of my ego, get out of my own way, and let go and let God. And I think when we know we're not alone on our journey, that's what allows me to have faith and what lies ahead. But the grace part for me was when I was at my lowest point, and I was really thinking, you know, my daughters could find another mom, my husband could find another wife that I feel like by the grace of God there was that spark, that light, that little glimmer of hope that was left in me that took a lot of courage to ask for help. And so by the grace of God, I did ask for help. And I think that changed my life. I think that you never know how when somebody asked for help
Starting point is 00:55:34 that it could be that saving moment for them. And so I learned that God was there all the time just for me. I just needed to let God in. And so grace is for me that God has lifted the obsession of drinking, that God has watched at me. I have guardian angels. I swear they work overtime because it's been a journey.
Starting point is 00:56:02 I was hit by my daughter and I were hit by a car just in December and just this week it's taken this long months that my daughter finally said, Mom, you know, those little razors, the little scooters, let's go for a scooter ride. So it takes time to heal and I'm like, God was watching over me and my daughter then. God is always watching over. And so grace, the grace is the grace that would give ourselves to because I can be so hard on myself, my gosh, I can just beat myself up and tell myself I'm not good enough
Starting point is 00:56:37 or who am I to go do that TED Talk or who am I to be on your incredible podcast. You have like, you're the person I look to for what you're doing next for podcasting because your podcast is like number one. And so I could sit there and go, who am I to be on her podcast? But it's like the grace that we give ourselves that, no, you know, think about the hardest thing you've, when I'm feeling like that, I think about the hardest thing I've ever overcome. And I think, oh my gosh, if I can get through 34 surgeries, I can go stand on that stage, or I can go talk in that clubhouse room,
Starting point is 00:57:16 or I can, you know, go on the podcast, or whatever it is that you're scared of, it's like, think about the hardest thing you've ever overcome. And for me, I really make it a practice to connect to God every day. So I start my day with a prayer and it's not fancy. It's not pretty. A lot of times I just talk to God and some people might. I feel the most connected in nature, not necessarily in church. But so that's really the grace that I think that came into my life,
Starting point is 00:57:48 the grace that I give myself, that I think it's so important during these times that we all give ourselves a lot of grace because we've all had to change and be flexible. And some of us have had to completely pivot all together. So that's where the grace comes in. I love that. And then for my understanding, you start your morning with a prayer to kind of get you into the right mindset. Could you share that with us like how you start your day to get you in the right mindset? Yeah, I think that if I don't start my day with a grounding myself, oh my gosh, I am all over the place. And so when, you know, I want to grab my phone, first thing, I want to check Instagram, I want
Starting point is 00:58:33 to check emails, I want to see what's going on. But if I do, if you do that, you're pulled in a million different directions. It's like you, you know, you don't have to say so in your schedule, but when you start your day with your intentions and whatever morning routine works for you, I know, you don't have to say so in your schedule, but when you start your day with your intentions and whatever morning routine works for you, I think that you have to figure out what works for you and stick to that and do what feels good. Because if it doesn't feel good,
Starting point is 00:58:56 if it doesn't bring you joy, then you're probably not gonna stick to it. And so for me, what makes me feel better is if I start my day with a quick, it's a quick prayer, sometimes a long prayer before my feet hit the floor. Also a prayer throughout the day. And actually, I have this on my desk. It's the serenity prayer. And I love this because it doesn't have to be, it's not about religious, it's about spirituality. And for me, it's, you know, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
Starting point is 00:59:34 And so I say that prayer whenever I'm struggling, but I also said, you know, like I have a gratitude list and I write down what I'm grateful for, I write down what my intentions are for the day. So anything I do, whether it's writing a post or making a phone call or what coaching a client or being on a podcast or doing one of my podcasts, I always think about what my intentions are. And that is to bring hope and inspiration, to add value, and to bring some love into. And then I think, you know, it's important to have accountability for me that helps keep me on track. So every morning I read
Starting point is 01:00:15 something out of usually a daily reflections book or some sort of a spiritual book, and I screenshot it, and I take a picture of that and I send it to my sponsor and she sends me something back. So it helps when you think you're too busy and you can't do the, they're like, no, I'm gonna be accountable to this person and I'm gonna do it. So I think it's real important to have somebody
Starting point is 01:00:40 whether it's a friend, a best friend, a coach, a mentor, being a mastermind, hold yourself accountable and also so you know you're not alone. I think for me, a mastermind and masterminding is what changed a lot for me, not just with my mindset, but with my business. So you don't have to do it alone. That's what I would say.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Start your morning off getting grounded and know you're not alone in it. Yeah, and for me, like, this is one of the biggest takeaways of today's session is that you got to take time to work on your mental health and not just go to the thing that feels good, like pausing, taking time to reflect, taking time to be grateful, all of that. My next question is about the difference between pushing through pain and pacing through
Starting point is 01:01:29 pain, because I know that you're really not a proponent of pushing through pain. So I want to know why is that the wrong approach, and then how can we pace ourselves through it instead? You are so good. You know, I've never been asked that question. That's amazing. Yeah, because you know what? I used to push through pain and that's all I knew, you know, growing up and I was told, oh, you're throwing up, don't throw up on the track.
Starting point is 01:01:55 You know, my track coach would be like off the track to throw up and keep running. My dance teacher would be like, I don't care if your toes are bleeding and your point she used to show must go on. And so my whole life, I push through pain, push through so much. And let me tell you, you can't really push through CRPS. CRPS is the hardest thing I've ever gone through. It's harder than the 34 surgeries because you live with it every single day and the pain can suck the energy out of you. It can destroy relationships. It can make you bitter if you choose. But we have a
Starting point is 01:02:33 choice and it took me a lot. It took me down a dark path and to where I was having suicidal thoughts. I mean, it's called the suicide disease, and I quickly learned why, because it can be torturous if we allow it. We don't have the proper tools. And so I had a friend of mine ask me, well, how do you, once I started doing these things that I do every single day to be more resilient, I had a friend say, how do you do that?
Starting point is 01:03:03 How do you go get on a plane and go to an event? How do you continue to coach people and work when other people can't get out of bed? And I really thought about it and there are things that I do every day and we've talked about them, but I'll just share them really quick. So instead of pushing through the pain, I think, and some people get triggered and don't like the word pace, I know I didn't. And this all came about because my husband told me, you need to pace yourself and it pissed me off. And I thought, I don't, it's kind of like
Starting point is 01:03:36 when somebody tells you you need to calm down. It's like, what? I'm not gonna calm down. And so I started thinking, well, I do pace myself. And pacing for me is, and that's how I came up with the word, pacer. And it's a quick reminder for me to, whenever, not just pain, but whenever I'm feeling anxious or I'm sad or I'm in a thunk or I'm really tired. And I'm like, what have I not done to be more resilient?
Starting point is 01:04:03 And so you can be more resilient if you just do these five things. So perspective, shift your perspective. The moment you start to feel crappy or anxious or sad or scared, like the quickest and easiest way to shift your perspective is with gratitude. So I think about what is one thing I'm grateful for this morning. I woke up. My leg is really stiff. I'm going to jump to the gym yesterday. And I thought, gosh, I'm so sick of this pain. I thought, wait a minute. No, I'm grateful. I can walk because 11 years ago, I was on life support with tubes going down my throat. And a machine breathing for me said,
Starting point is 01:04:45 no, I'm grateful. And it quickly let me tell you, it really allows, it's alchemy. It turns what you can't do into what you can do and what you don't have into what you do have. Acceptance is the next part of PASER. Like we've talked about before, you take radical acceptance.
Starting point is 01:05:02 That allows you to take action steps to make your life the best that it can be. And when you start to share what you're going through and you get real, and it's hard to take a good, hard look at your life sometimes, but when you get real and you feel comfortable to share that with people that you love or trust, you start to build community,
Starting point is 01:05:23 and that's the next part of PASER because community might be the most important part of PASER. I used to try to do it alone and I couldn't. Together we're stronger. And that's something you do so well. You're always teaching people how to promote their podcast, how to build their platform, how to do, you know, whether it's through your podcast or through Clubhouse, I'm always amazed at how much you share and you give and the culture and the community that you have built. And that takes endurance, which is the next part of Pacer.
Starting point is 01:06:02 And that is really where I think your passion and your purpose come into play. It's, you know, we're not always going to be motivated. And so, if we can think about, remember why we started, that will usually light up a fire underneath us to keep us going. And then the last part of PASER, which I wanted to leave off, I wanted to leave the R off and just part of PASER, which I wanted to leave off, I wanted to leave the R off and just call it PASER. Because I'm still learning this last part.
Starting point is 01:06:31 The rest part is so hard for me because I think in my mind I used to think that resting meant quitting and I didn't want to be a quitter. But resting is really, if you really want to be resilient, you have to strategically stop. You have to allow yourself to have times to recover and rejuvenate. So you can be more creative. So that you can pause and then reflect on what you need to do. What are your next steps? It allows you time to listen to your heart and your soul and your intuition. I think that resting is, you know, so many people think of it as like a luxury or it's, you know, but it's really important if we want to keep moving and we don't want to get
Starting point is 01:07:19 burnout to take times to rest. So, you know, you can see more about in depth about the Pacer method on my TED Talk that I did. And there's a link for it, my buy-on stuff. But that's really what helps me. And I hope that it helps you next anyone who's listening that get through a difficult time. Like, what are those things? And I've had somebody, one of my friends, when I was freaking out, because we had some buyers here the other day one of my friends, when I was freaking out, because we had some fires here the other day,
Starting point is 01:07:46 and she asked me how I was doing. I'm like, I'm freaking out. We might have to evacuate the horses at the barn, and she was like texted one word back to me. She texted the word, Pacer, and I was like, oh yeah, how can I... Yeah. I love that.
Starting point is 01:08:04 I think that it's such a great rule of thumb for us to kind of have as a guide. And I think that some of us might be really good at certain parts of that method, but then not good at others. Like, for example, I'm just like you, like the rest piece is something that I always skip over. I always just try to keep going, keep going, keep going.
Starting point is 01:08:19 But it's important to rest, be mindful, be grateful, take a break, enjoy yourself and not just bring yourself out to your point. So I love that. So I also want to talk about the fact that you've transformed your career over and over and over, a dancer, to a fitness instructor. Now you're a speaker, your podcast host, four years ago, you didn't even know how to use a computer.
Starting point is 01:08:43 Like, that's incredible. How did you teach yourself all of this? How did you overcome the imposter syndrome? How did you evolve your career so drastically and become an influencer and all these different things that you are? It's so much different from who you were 10 years ago. So how did you do it?
Starting point is 01:09:02 Well, thank you. Yeah, and I wasn't that long ago that I wasn't even on social media. I mean, I started an Instagram just to really basically stalk my oldest daughter and see what she was up to. But, you know, I think to get over that imposter syndrome, I think, first of all, that's just a feeling that we get when we know we're about to do something really big and important and meaningful and so if we can kind of reframe it and that's what I do in my mind is like okay I'm stepping out of my comfort zone and I'm about to
Starting point is 01:09:35 make some magic and I'm doing I'm I'm moving forward and so I want to say that you're who may ever ever maybe listen list thing and you're, you're not maybe happy with what you're doing or you want more out of life. This is your sign to go for it. It's never too late. You're never too old, you're never too young, you're never, you know, don't, I used to think, oh, well, I'm just not smart enough, I don't have a college education or, and I've had plenty of naysayers, and you know what, I always, I've been an underdog for a lot of my life, and that's to me where I get a lot of my motivation is when somebody tells me I can't do something,
Starting point is 01:10:16 I'm like, oh yeah, really, thank you for that motivation. Watch me. Watch me, here I go, and so I think that when I think about the passion I had inside me was I wanted to give others the hope that had been given to me. I wanted to share. I thought if I can write a book and if I can show somebody that they can get through the most difficult moments that they can turn a tragedy into triumph, that they can never give up, then that will give my pain purpose.
Starting point is 01:10:51 That will make meaning out of going through the hell that I went through with my motorcycle accident. And so I focused on that and I didn't vote what my intention was. I thought, well, I I'm gonna write a book and everybody was like yeah right okay fitness girl you don't even own a computer and our member I was invited to go speak at this um motivational series by Lorna Jane and I'm not sure if you know who that is but it's a big line. And they invited me to speak at this event for inspiring women. And it was me and these fitness celebrities
Starting point is 01:11:33 and authors like Daniel Laporte. And then there was me. And the media rolled up and my picture was there. And I remember thinking, oh my gosh, all these people have these huge volumes. And I had like, I don't know, 300 followers on Instagram, no website, nothing. And when I decided to write my book, I hand wrote probably 80, 90% of the book and I remember when I had to send a picture to the event for Lauren and Jane. I didn't even know I was using my husband's laptop and I didn't even know how to attach
Starting point is 01:12:11 a picture to an email. And I asked him, I was like, honey, can you teach me how to do it? He goes, oh, what do you need now? And I was, I just cried. I was like, I don't know how to do this. And you're not helping me. And I was like, that's it. I'm gonna go buy a computer.
Starting point is 01:12:28 I'm gonna learn. So I went to Apple Bottle App Top, took a class, raised my hand over and over and over and asked, like, how do you, I didn't know anything about. I didn't know how to work it. But when the event came up for Lorna Jane, and I realized, oh my gosh, if I'm serious about having a message, I got to get serious about learning how to get
Starting point is 01:12:51 my message out there. So I learned how to use Instagram. I used Botlet laptop. I typed up my book. I found a publisher. They said, we don't do marketing. I figured out. I'm still figuring out how to do marketing, but I built it from the ground up and I leave my very first post on Instagram. I
Starting point is 01:13:14 leave them up there, which you see a lot of people that have hundreds of thousands of followers and every post looks perfect. I'm like, no, go take a look at mine on Instagram. I'll leave it there on purpose to show that we all start somewhere. I sucked and I still do some posts that are like, oh, why did I post that? That was terrible, but it's like, it's just getting out there and starting and doing it.
Starting point is 01:13:40 And if somebody like me can write a book by hand, learn how to use a computer, get a publisher, my book launched on the Today Show and became a bestseller in three different categories. And I went on to do the doctor's TV, hallmark, a TED talk. Now I've shared the stage with Mel Robbins, Jay Shetty, Brandon Bershard,
Starting point is 01:14:03 some of my favorite people, Trent Shelton. And so if someone like me can do this, anybody, you're listening right now, if you've got a book and you like 80% of people want to write a book, this is your sign, write a book. Just start writing every day and focus on why it is you want to write that book and who knows where it can connect you. I mean, I'm so grateful that the best thing that's come out of my book are the connections that I've made along the way. Like, I would have never met you had I not written my book.
Starting point is 01:14:35 I'm sure, you know, I would never probably be using a laptop or computer. Yeah. Yeah, so do it. Go write the book. Go after your dreams. Life is short. And I feel like we need to live full out and decide every day that we are going to find joy in the journey and really live our purpose and our passion. Yeah, bam. If you're ready to take your business to new heights, break through to the six or seven figure mark or learn from the world's most successful people.
Starting point is 01:15:05 Look no further because the Kelly Roach show has got you covered. Kelly Roach is a best-selling author, a top-ranked podcast host and an extremely talented marketer. She's the owner of NotOne, but six thriving companies, and now she's ready to share her knowledge and experience with you on the Kelly Roach show. Kelly is an inspirational entrepreneur, and I highly respect her. She's been a guest on YAP. She was a former social client. She's a podcast client. And I remember when she came on Young & Profiting and she talked about her conviction marketing framework. It was like mind blowing to me. I remember immediately implementing what she taught me in the interview
Starting point is 01:15:41 in my company and the marketing efforts that we were doing. And as a marketer, I really, really respect all Kelly has done, all Kelly has built. In the corporate world, Kelly secured seven promotions in just eight years, but she didn't just stop there. She was working in nine to five. And at the same time, she built her eight-figure company as a side hustle and eventually took it and made her full-time hustle and her strategic business goals led her to win the prestigious Inc. 500 award for the fastest growing business in the United States. She's built an empire, she's earned a life-changing wealth, and on top of all that, she maintains a happy marriage and a healthy home life. On the Kelly Road Show,
Starting point is 01:16:19 you'll learn that it's possible to have it all. Tune into the Kelly Road Show as she unveils her secrets for growing your business. It doesn't matter if you're just starting out in your career or if you're already a seasoned entrepreneur. In each episode, Kelly shares the truth about what it takes to create rapid, exponential growth. Unlock your potential, unleash your success, and start living your dream life today. Tune into the Kelly Road Show available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, you app fam! As you may know, I've been a full-time entrepreneur for three years now. Yet media blew up so fast, it was really hard to keep everything under control, but things have settled a bit, and I'm really focused on revamping and improving our company culture.
Starting point is 01:16:59 I have 16 employees, so it's a lot of people to try to rally and motivate, and I recently had best-selling author Kim Scott on the show. And after previewing her content in our conversation, I just knew I had to take her class on masterclass, tackle the hard conversations with Radical Cander to really absorb all she has to offer. And now I'm using her Radical Cander method every day with my team to give in solicit feedback, to cultivate a more inclusive culture, and to empower them with my honesty. And I can see my team feeling more motivated and energized already. They are really receptive to this framework, and I'm so happy because I really needed this class.
Starting point is 01:17:39 With masterclass, you can learn from the best to become your best, anytime, anywhere, and at your own pace. And we all know that profiting in life doesn't just mean thriving in business. With Masterclass, you can brush up on your art skills or your cooking skills, or even your modeling skills. With over 180 classes from a range of world-class instructors, that thing you've always wanted to do better is just a few clicks away. On Masterclass, you'll find courses from many app-a-all star guests like Chris Voss and Daniel Pink. I've been taking their sales and negotiation classes and I've been feeling like a real shark lately.
Starting point is 01:18:14 I've totally leveled up my sales skills. How much would it cost you to take a one-on-one class from the world's best? A lot. But with Masterclass annual memberships, it just cost you $10 a month. I have to say the most surprising thing about Masterclass since I started this incredible journey on the platform is the value. For the quality of classes, instructors, the platform itself is beautiful. The videos are super high quality. You can't beat it. Gain new skills and as little as 10 minutes on your phone, your computer, tablet, smart TV, and my personal favorite way to learn is their audio mode to listen on the go. That way, I can multitask while I learn. Get unlimited access to every class and right now, as the app listener, you can get 15%
Starting point is 01:18:59 off when you go to masterclass.com slash profiting. That's masterclass.com slash profiting for 15% off an annual membership. Masterclass.com slash profiting. Oh my gosh, this is so, one of the most inspiring episodes I feel like we've ever had on Younger and Profiting. But I keep feeling like crying. I just, because I'm so proud of you.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Like I'm so proud that you got over all these things and you followed your dreams and you didn't listen to the naysayers. And I think back to my story, how 2018, I wanted to start Young and Profiting Podcasts and everybody told me, what are you doing? You're ruining your life. You're following an old dream. You're never going to be able to do it. You're going to ruin your career. You're ruining your life. And thank God I just did it and didn't listen to anyone and figured it out and learned it on my own.
Starting point is 01:19:46 There wasn't office hours on clubhouse back then. I learned it on my own and you can learn anything on your own. Yeah, and I think, I feel like we're a lot alike and what we've overcome, your story's different than mine, but our mindset and our grit is so similar and what you have built. And I know you had some naysayers and you were dealt some cards that were like,
Starting point is 01:20:15 really, I worked my ass off and this is what I get, but I think every hard situation that you've been through too has led you, is giving you the grit and has led you to where you are today. And I think it also, do you feel like it makes you appreciate where you are today, even more? Yeah, I feel like the reason why I'm so hard working and just attack every day is because like nothing was ever handed to me.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Like nothing was, I was never like just picked for something and was like luck. Like never. You know what I mean? Like it's like especially with my name and everything like that. I was, it's actually been a fight to get anything good in my life. You know, only recently now I'm being really accepted. Just like the last year. Since podcast magazine was the first time I felt like I ever got something where I was like, wow, like I'm not sure if I was exactly ready for this. Like, they really gave me this really nice look. Like, that was the first time I ever actually felt like I got something not easy, but like, wow, I was actually given this award. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:21:23 Or like this, this opportunity. That's the know what I mean? Or like this opportunity. That's the first time I ever felt like I got an opportunity. You worked your ass off for that. Yeah, I know. And the work, you put in the work every day and a lot of people that listened to your podcast, they might not know if they don't do a podcast on their own,
Starting point is 01:21:42 just all the behind the scenes that goes on and bring in an episode every week. And I mean, you release so many episodes, but I just, the reason I say I really, I look to you for podcasting because you're such an inspiration to you for podcasting because you're such an inspiration in what you have created and what you've done. And what you're doing for so many women out there that you're given them a voice. And I was just talking to my youngest daughter about this last night because my husband and her kind of got in a little argument and he kind of shut her down. I was like, uh, uh, wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Nope, she's expressing her opinion. And so we had a big family talk around the dinner table. But we got in the car. I love our car rides, my daughter and I, because that's when we have our like really, our deep conversations. And I was like, you know, Ruby, I'm really proud of you for having a voice.
Starting point is 01:22:44 And for sharing how you feel, you know, Ruby, I'm really proud of you for having a voice and for sharing how you feel. I said, I want you to always speak up and know how powerful your voice is. And that's what you do for so many times. Oh, thank you. You're really, you're incredible. And I've just been so inspired by your clubhouse rooms. I wanna get in on clubhouse with you again soon and your podcast.
Starting point is 01:23:11 And so it's just such a joy to be here with you and connect with you in your audience. It's incredible. Thank you so much. Amberly, I feel the same way about you guys. You have to go check out her podcast. It's called True, Grit, and Grace. Amberly, the last question that I ask all my guests,
Starting point is 01:23:27 and this is your opportunity to give a piece of advice that maybe you we haven't covered yet. What is your secret to profiting in life? My secret to profiting in life is really having my priorities in place and knowing what my values are because to me, profiting is not just about money, it's about your health, it's about your relationships. And so I feel like when you know what your values are, it helps you make decisions a little easier. And when you know what your priorities are, it helps you put yourself on your to-do list. And when you can take care of yourself, then you can help others. And you can take care of your family and your clients. And so I think that just really take a moment to write down what your values are, what your priorities are,
Starting point is 01:24:25 because those slip me sometimes, because a lot of things come up, I'm like, oh, that looks fun. Yeah, I want to do that. I want to do that. I want to do that. It's like, no, what is the plan? How am I going to best profit for my pocketbook, for my health, for, you know, my family? And so I think it's really important to always go back to what you're values in your and having a table with that. I totally agree. 100% such great advice. And where can our listeners go to learn more about you and everything that you do? Oh, thank you. You can go to amberley.logo.com. I hang out mostly on Instagram at amberley.ilago Motivation and I've got some free downloadables in there in my link and you can find my podcast and everything online there.
Starting point is 01:25:13 True Gritten Grace, my book is True Gritten Grace, my clubhouse room is True Gritten Grace. And if you want to text me, if there's someone out there because I know we went deep today. I know like if there's somebody out there and you want a text being you don't want to DM me on Instagram. You can text me at 818-214-7378 especially if you're going through something hard and haven't shared it like we talked about a lot of trauma. So my favorite thing is connecting with people. So I look forward to hearing from you. And I will definitely, you know, I'm going to share this and shout it off the rooftops that I got to be on your podcast. I'm so grateful. Thank you so much, Amberly. What a great conversation. I think you motivated so many people. I personally feel like I'm ready to attack the
Starting point is 01:25:59 day. So thank you so much for your amazing words of wisdom. We have so much to learn from you. Definitely go check out her podcast, True Grit and Grace. Her book, True Grit and Grace, she is brilliant. Follow her on social media. Always a pleasure, Amberly. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:26:13 Wow, that Amberly logo really has some grit. She went through so much sexual abuse, a tragic car accident, and she came out the other side, a winner. You just can't beat the person who won't give up. That day when her life got turned upside down and she was hit by an SUV must have been so tough. I mean, at the time her face was plastered all over infomercial products.
Starting point is 01:26:37 She was working for Nike, she just married the man of her dreams, the world was at her feet, and boom, everything changed. It makes me feel so thankful for being healthy and whole right now. Life can transform at any moment, no matter how successful you are. So just make sure you value every single day like it's your last and feel grateful today. I mean seriously, breathe, take a moment and just feel grateful for where you are right now for the status of your health right now, because guys, as we get older, our health is only going to get worse.
Starting point is 01:27:12 And so just really, I really want everyone to feel grateful for where they're at right now. They're physical, they're mental, they're financial status, just be grateful. And the next time you do face an obstacle, remember Amberly and her story. She was a fitness trainer, she had her purpose was to help people be fit and healthy, and then she became dependent and disabled. Most people would just give up at that point and just be like, okay, I'm done, throwing in the towel, my life's over, but no.
Starting point is 01:27:41 She decided that she was going to shift her mindset, she decided she was gonna focus on what she still can do, she believed she could walk again despite what other people said, and it takes willingness, determination, and grit to go against the odds. And she did it all with a smile on her face, and I honestly think there's very few things in life that can't be accomplished without a lot of hard work
Starting point is 01:28:04 and a positive attitude. So that's my biggest takeaway for today. I honestly think there's very few things in life that can't be accomplished without a lot of hard work and a positive attitude. So that's my biggest takeaway for today. And if you're in the mood to keep hearing inspiring stories, check out number 95, tap into a miracle mindset with Tim Story. He's an acclaimed author, speaker, and life coach to top athletes and celebrities like Oprah.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Here's a clip from that episode. I love young people's energy. I'm surrounded by young people who work with me on projects, like from 17, 18 on. Because I love the creative energy. But I think this is one thing that draws them to me. We have people from all over the world trying to come to us in LA to do an internship with us,
Starting point is 01:28:43 because they love my discipline. And the whole idea is dreaming is easy, but to do the dream is a whole different thing. Walt Disney walked into an amusement park in the 30s and he said, one day, I want to build my own amusement park. Mine's going to be different, better, and more magical. Well, the thing about Walt Disney that I love is that as I began to study him, his work ethic was at the next level. So he really practiced these principles of the law of the harvest that you described, which is if you want a harvest,
Starting point is 01:29:22 if you want to create Disneyland as he did in the 60s After we saw the vision of it You first have to plow the ground Then you have to plant the right seed Then you have to water the seeds that's every single day your hustling and Then you're gonna reap a harvest But then the proverb says if you chase fantasies going to reap a harvest. But then the proverb says, if you chase fantasies, then you lack wisdom.
Starting point is 01:29:53 And you're right, we have a lot of people, even my age, that are still chasing fantasies to the stay, but you got a plow, you got a plant, you got a water, and then pay days on its way. Again, that's number 95, tap into a miracle mindset with Tim's story. And honestly, this is one of my favorite episodes on the podcast. It's one of my all-time favorites, and a lot of people reached out about how much they loved that episode. And as always, I'm going to shout out a recent Apple Podcast review. This week's shoutout goes to Z-Mokes. And by the way, guys, put your real name in the review because Apple Podcast user
Starting point is 01:30:25 names are so random sometimes. For example, like Z Mox, that might be the listener's real name, but I'm not positive and I'm almost positive that's not their real name. So I really want to be able to properly shout you guys out. So please leave your real name in your review. Alright, so the review goes like this. Favorite Podcast I discovered this year. This is a great listen, I haven't missed a show since the Seth Godin interview.
Starting point is 01:30:49 The host Hala dives into interesting topics and doesn't ask the same question I've heard popular guests asked hundreds of times on other interviews. I actually discovered this on YouTube and not linked in like other reviewers, and I recommend the video version for those on YouTube. It's really well produced and has connected me to other interesting content on there. Looking forward to more shows. Thanks, Hala. Oh wow, thank you so much, Z, for mentioning YouTube.
Starting point is 01:31:15 I just realized that I almost never mentioned YouTube on the show. So oops. You guys can check out the video podcasts on YouTube. We put them up every single week. So if you guys want to check out me interviewing Matthew McConaughey or Seth Goatton, like Zee was just mentioning, go check us out on YouTube. I'd love for you guys to subscribe to us on YouTube and let me know if you did.
Starting point is 01:31:35 As we wrap up here, I want to make sure you guys subscribe to the podcast if you enjoyed the show. And if you do enjoy the show and you listen all the time, tell your friends, put it in. One of your WhatsApp groups. Tell a family member spread the show. And if you do enjoy the show and you listen all the time, tell your friends, put it in one of your WhatsApp groups. Tell a family member, spread the love. Tell more people about Younger Profiting podcasts. I want to become the biggest podcaster in the world, help me on this mission. And you can take a screenshot of this app and then tag me at Yap with Hala. And then I'll be posted on my Instagram. It's a way that we can mutually benefit from each other. You can follow me on Instagram at Yap with Hala or LinkedIn and Clubhouse just search for Hala Taha. And if you haven't subscribed to Young Appropping Podcast, again, make sure you take a couple moments to do that so you be alerted
Starting point is 01:32:18 every time we drop a new episode and much love to my incredible Yap media team. I'm so proud of everyone. I'm so thankful for everyone. This is Hale signing off. Are you looking for ways to be happier, healthier, more productive, and more creative? I'm Gretchen Ruben, the number one best-selling author of the Happiness Project. And every week, we share ideas and practical solutions
Starting point is 01:32:43 on the Happier with Gretchen Ruben podcast. My co-host and Happiness Guinea Pig is my sister Elizabeth Kraft. That's me, Elizabeth Kraft, a TV writer and producer in Hollywood. Join us as we explore fresh insights from cutting-edge science, ancient wisdom, pop culture, and our own experiences about cultivating happiness and good habits. Every week we offer a try this at home tip you can use to boost your happiness without spending a lot of time energy or money. Suggestions such as follow the one minute rule. Choose a one word theme for the year or design your summer.
Starting point is 01:33:15 We also feature segments like know yourself better where we discuss questions like are you an over buyer or an under buyer, morning person or night person, abundance lever or simplicity lever. And every episode includes a happiness hack, a quick easy shortcut to more happiness. Listen and follow the podcast, Happier with Gretchen Rubin. Ugh, another pointless video call where nothing gets done. I think you're on mute, David. Sorry, what did I miss? I teach just approved Miro for the whole company.
Starting point is 01:33:45 Miro, that's the... Online whiteboard. For team collaboration, we can make these long video meetings so much shorter with Miro boards. We can share ideas, feedback, and updates on them whenever. Actually see what we're talking about. It's all online. Miro will make her flexible work set up so much easier, with one virtual space for our brainstorms, projects, presentations.
Starting point is 01:34:08 Oh, that sounds kind of amazing. So I don't need to wake up for 6am calls with the London Office anymore. Now you're getting it. Don't let time zones get in the way of your team working well together. See why 99% of the Fortune 100 trust Miro to get good work done from anywhere. Get your first three boards free at miro.com. That's m-i-r-o-dot-com.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.