Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Dr. Caroline Leaf: Eliminate Toxic Thoughts | E114

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

Did you know that the Mind and the Brain are two separate things?!    In this episode, we are chatting with Dr. Caroline Leaf, a best-selling author and cognitive neuroscientist. Since the early 1980s, Dr. Caroline has researched the mind-brain connection, the nature of mental health, and the formation of memory. She was one of the first in her field to study how the brain can change (neuroplasticity) with directed mind input.   Dr. Leaf is also the best-selling author of Switch on Your Brain, Think Learn Succeed, Think and Eat Yourself Smart, and many more. She teaches at academic, medical and neuroscience conferences, churches, and to various audiences around the world. She is also involved in the global ECHO movement, which trains physicians worldwide on the mind-brain-body connection, mental health and how to avoid physician burnout.    In this episode, we discuss how Dr. Caroline first started working with the brain and the mind, why she chose to focus on the mind, and the unique aspects of it. We’ll also chat about the differences between the brain and the mind, how the mind and soul are connected, the physical impact toxic thoughts have on your brain, and Dr. Caroline’s advice on how it’s possible to heal with your mind instead of medication. This conversation got deep and uncovered so many things I never knew about what our minds are capable of - you definitely want to listen in!   Sponsored by Capsule. Visite capsule.com to get your prescription hand delivered today - for free!   Social Media:   Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at [e-mail] Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Follow Hala on ClubHouse: @halataha Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com   Timestamps:   00:39 - How Caroline Got Fascinated with the Mind 02:53 - Why Caroline Knew the Mind Needed to Be Explored More 07:52 - Difference Between the Brain and the Mind 20:04 - Caroline’s Perspective on the Soul 31:15 - Healthy vs. Toxic Thoughts and Their Effects  39:04 - Why Are People Dying Earlier Even With Technological Advancements  57:06 - Advice To Heal With Your Mind 1:08:06 - Dr. Caroline’s Secret to Profiting in Life   Mentioned in the Episode:   Dr. Caroline’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drcarolineleaf/ Dr. Caroline’s Website: https://drleaf.com/ Dr. Caroline’s Book: https://www.cleaningupyourmentalmess.com/ Dr. Caroline’s Podcast: https://drleaf.com/pages/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Proven Steps to Reduce Anxiety, Stress, and Toxic Thinking, dives into mind management techniques to build awareness and heal the mind. In this episode, we're going to uncover Dr. Caroline's five steps to clean up our mental messes. We'll talk about the difference and relationship between the mind and the brain. We'll look at how thoughts impact our biological age, and we'll understand what a good thought looks like in the brain compared to a bad one. We'll also discuss how we can overcome trauma, why as a human species, we're dying 18 to 25 years younger and will better understand

the root cause of mental illness? This episode is jam-packed with useful information. It's one that I bet you'll have to listen to twice or rewind to appreciate the fullest. If you enjoyed this episode, please let me know your favorite takeaway by leaving us a review on Apple Cast Box Podbean or wherever you listen to this podcast. Without further ado, here's my conversation with Dr. Caroline Leif. Hi Caroline, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast. Thank you, Hilux, I love you to be with you.

Likewise, I'm so excited because we're going to talk all about the brain and the mind and the difference between the two and how they're related. I can't wait to get into all that stuff. But first, I want to understand where your fascination with the brain and the mind first came about. From my understanding, you grew up in Zimbabwe and that's when it first hit you in terms of this is the passion that you want to go on with your life. So tell us about that, how you first got fascinated with the brain and the mind. Absolutely.

Well, as boardings in Bob, we grew up in South Africa, and we've been in the States now for the last 13 years, and we travel globally. I used to practice 20, 4, 25 years as a clinician. Another brain, a mind brain research, and neuroscientist, I've been doing that for 38 years. So I've been in the field for many, many years, and my fascination with the mind of the brain began as a young girl. I was very fast, I was going to become a neurosurgeon, I even got into that field and decided that I actually wanted to know more about understanding of the mind as opposed

to just the physical brain. And I was trained in the era of when they didn't believe that the brain could change, but they did understand that the brain was separate from the mind. Then over the last 40 years, as we've learned more about the brain, the mind has been kind of separated and kind of ignored, and all seen as a byproduct of the brain. So we've kind of transitioned in a negative sense. A lot of the sciences transitioned in a negative sense that we've advanced with brain science,

but gone backwards with mind understanding. And so I decided to dedicate my career to understanding mind, what it is, what are thoughts, what are memories, what's the difference between the mind and the brain, what happens when they interact, why do they need to interact? I can you manage this process, do you have any control over the process? And I started out my work trying to understand, I just fascinated as a child with the brain in the mind and started out my initial research with people with very severe issues like traumatic brain injuries and severe wall trauma and learning disabilities, dementia, autism and then carried on in that field but then adapted my work to helping everyone because you've all got a mind, you've all got a brain and you all need to manage

it. So it's just been a developmental process and my most recent book, Cleaning Up and Mental Mace. I put my most recent clinical trials in there in a summarized, simple version just to show people the reality of mind, brain, and the mind, brain connection. So I know that you've been studying this for, I think, 38 years plus. So that's a long time. And you were actually trained to believe that the mind cannot change the brain.

And that's how you were trained. So with that, how did you know when you're gut that there was more to the story and that you needed to dedicate your life to figure this out? Well, it was one of my neuroscience lectures that and neuroscience was in its infancy in the 80s. So I have to tell you that there was, we talk about neuroscience, it was more neurology and it was neuroscience but it was just, it was very much in its infancy and it was believed that if you had damage to your brain, well, that's it. And I remember one of the lectures talking about this and I thought, this is not right because our mind is always changing, our experiences are changing, our day-to-day life is so totally different all the time. So it cannot be that the organ

through which the mind works and uses, that the mind is changing, obviously the organ that the mind uses would change as well. So I challenged the one of the professors and they said, I said, how can that be? And they said, well, it is the way it is. And I said, well, I don't think that is the case. And they said, well, that's a ridiculous question. And I said, is it really a ridiculous question? And I started, I said, let me work with the worst, give me the worst scenario, what would be the worst scenario that I could use to show you that I believe I'm right? And they said, well, work with traumatic brain injury because once your brain's traumatized

from a brain injury from a car accident, well, that's it. You know, you can't really do anything about that. You just literally have to teach the patients to compensate. So I started there, I started working with traumatic brain injury and one of my first subjects, one of my first research studies was a student of 16 who was quite an average student, not brilliant, but you know, she was the average and she had a terrible car accident, was in a coma for longer than two weeks. Now back in the 80s, if you were in a coma for longer than eight hours, you were told by the neurologist that you were basically brain dead.

So her parents were told that she's brain dead. Then she was moving around a little bit so they said she was a vegetable. Long story short, they just basically wrote her off. The medical community wrote her off and so but she fought back. In her coma, she fought back. Her parents continue to stimulate her, believe she'd come around after two coma. She fought back her parents continued to stimulate her beliefs. She had come around after two weeks. She basically came around and they contacted me more or less six months.

But within the first six months after her accident, where she was functioning back on a, now listen to this sort of second grade level. So she was totally frustrated because here, her peer group were going into 12th grade. And she could barely cope on a second grade level. The fact that she'd actually come out of her coma was a miracle, but that wasn't what she wanted. So they contacted me, I said, look, I was a young scientist, new research, I said, well, we can try this,

I believe it will work. But anyway, it's long story short, fast forward eight months and this young girl not only finished, caught up with her peer group, but she finished school with her 12th grade peer group, but not only just finished school, which was in itself America. So she caught up from second grade to 12th grade in like an eight month period, but she not only did that, she actually went on to become a math genius, which was amazing. So she finished off with grades that were way better than prior to her accident. So she was evidence that with directed mind input, with really hot, and this is not just, this is really deliberate intentional using of the mind

and developing of the mind, who brain changed. So that's neuropastocity where the brain can change. But the brain can change on its own. The brain changes by being changed by something and the something is your mind. So brain a mind are two separate things. And what I would develop was a system to help this particular patient and then all the other subjects and patients since then.

And I've continued to research that is a system for how can you get your mind managed and self-regulated so that you can direct the neuroplasticity of your brain, the brain changes and therefore body changes and how to do that in a successful way. So that really just catapulted me into doing more and more research. I did a lot of, I do in the field research, so I don't bring people into a lab and create a fictitious situation. I didn't want to do that kind of research. I go into the field and so I worked for years with different types of patients and different

types of situations, so different organizations like government and education, schools, universities, are trained positions, are worked in corporate. So I worked in a multitude of different places from all different socioeconomic strata, war torn countries, every color that you can, every race to try to be able to reach an understanding of mind as a universal concept. And basically that's what I've done for 38

years. And that's what I present in my work. And in my most recent book, Cleaning Up Your Mental Mace, it's kind of a summary of this philosophy plus a very practical application of how you, anyone, you all got a mind, can use your mind to change your brain. And to everybody listening, I would highly advise the book. She gives five simple steps on how you can do this. We're not going to be able to cover every single step in this podcast. We'll try to, but you guys should definitely go read the book so that you can really understand how to use this powerful stuff. So I want to step back a little bit because I think my listeners are, I think they're all new to this. I think we know a lot about positive affirmations and all that kind of stuff, but I don't think we know the science

behind everything. And so first, what's the difference between the brain and the mind and how are they related? Such a good question. That's the base place to start. And just for your listeners, that's the book, cleaning up your mental base. And she's holding up a book for the listeners. For the listeners, yeah, I'm holding up the book. And then I have other Props as well, but I'll describe them. So there are some views. Is it just listeners? Will they be some views as well? Do you put it on YouTube? Yeah, okay. Perfect. Yeah. YouTube and all some views, there's a just listeners, will there be some views as well? Do you put it on YouTube? Yes, there's a lot. Okay, perfect. Yeah, YouTube and all social media will be video. All the social media. Okay, perfect. So I've got some props to help people understand.

And the first prop that I've got, I'm holding up a brain in a skull, it's not a real brain. So for the listeners, I'm holding up a brain in a skull. And the reason I'm doing this is to give you the very strong visual image of, this is not who you are. You are not your brain. Your brain is what you use. It's part of you, but it's what you use, but it's not the u-ness of you. And it uses its uniquely designed to match who you are as a person, but if you are dead now, the difference between you and I, how are you having this conversation and the listeners and viewers, and a dead person person is on mind. So the mind is our aliveness. So the brain, if you did, if I was holding up, if this was a real brain, we could stare at this brain all day long and mind would never be produced from it because

it's a dead brain. So what makes this brain different if it's a brain in a dead person or a brain that's taken out of a person versus you and I who have our brains in our skulls and we are communicating. It's our mind. So our mind is separate from the brain. It's our aliveness, our ability to be alive and to experience life and to process that. So our mind, therefore, is external to the brain and the body, but it also moves through the brain and the body. So on a physics level, you want to use it sort of to understand

on two levels, your brain is easy to understand. It's the physical substance. It's in your skull. I've got another little image of a model of a body, and your brain and body are your physical. That's easy to understand. You can look at yourself, you know, you've got a skull. That's easy, but that's only one percent of you are.

One, maybe 10 percent of you are. If you are, one maybe 10 percent of who you are. If you did, this just disintegrates. If you did, it doesn't do anything. We can put all kinds of technology onto dead brains and dead bodies that they're not going to respond. But you and I alive, we could have EKGs, QEGs, all the various different types of FMRIs and we would see responses. So what we are reading is when you look at technology, brain technology,

for example, I use QEGs, you are seeing the mind moving through the brain. So the mind is this force, this energetic force that is around the body, it's like a cloud around the body. So here's this bone model of the body again. And if you imagine sort of field or a gravitational field around this body, that's what the mind is. And it also moves through the body. So to make this really simple, I'm going to give you a couple of different analogies to visualize this. So the first thing is we're we're sitting, we're not floating. That's because of gravity. That's because we live in gravitational fields. But what scientists have found, and this is science, this is science right back from in Einstein's day, even earlier,

the ancient wisdom. I know that you're very interested in that as well. Ancient wisdom speaks about the mind and brain separately all the time. It's only in this last 40 years that the narrative has mixed the two together, that the mind and the brain are used. But for up until 40 years ago, it was always considered separate, the physical from the mind. The mind being this energetic force that moves around the body. So, I'm not using our current physics. We can talk about gravitational fields. Just a couple of years ago, scientists won the Nobel Prize for being able to measure gravitational

fields and not only will we be in gravitational fields, but we have our own unique gravitational field around each of us. You've got jaws, our contact, yours, you can't take mine. And it's also within that gravitational field, you've got things like electromagnetic effects and you've got all the you know, you've got sound waves and electromagnetic light waves. You've got all this this stuff that we know so much more about now with modern science. We've got words and and technology to describe it. Now what's important here is that if a person's dead, that goes away. You don't see that when a person's alive, you can put a QEEG on and you can read the energy response in the brain. You can put an EKG on the heart and you can see the energetic response in the heart. That energetic response is mind.

So mind is this force that's around and through the body and it's only there when you're alive and that's why I talk about it as being your aliveness. So that's on the kind of physics level. Another way of seeing it on the physics level, all just as an analogy, is maybe you did this at school where you were given a piece of white paper and then there was a pile of iron filings on the paper and a magnet. And we all know that magnet if you push magnets together, they'll push each other apart, you know, magnets attract, you can put a magnet on the a-tack paper clips, we all understand that, but you can't see the field around the magnet that's attracting the paper clip. But if you- but be notes there, that's kind of see the field around the magnet that's attracting the paperclip. But if you, but be notes there, that's kind of like the mind, the brain and the body are like

this magnet. But then it's field is around it, you can't see it, but it is this force that is what we are using to experience life and moving through the brain in the body. If you take a magnet and you put it in the middle of a pile of iron filings, so just graded iron filings, they go from being a pile to being a whole arrangement around the magnets. And that creates, that's what you call an electromagnetic field. So in this field around us, there's an electromagnetic field. It's a quantum field. It's got lots of different ways that you can understand it, but it exists. And it's basically the mind. On a psychological level, it is how we think and feel and choose. So

notice I'm saying those three things together. When you think you feel, when you think and feel you choose, so thinking, feeling and choosing is mind in action. So when we talk about mind, we can think of it as the physics field, gravitational field, and psychologically, it's how we think, feel and choose. So at the moment, all the listeners and viewers are hearing, auditory sound, are hearing all voices, but actually what being received by the mind field is sound waves, electromagnetic light waves, it's creating reactions in the gravitational field, and all that's moving through the brain. And then the brain is responding, electrically, chemically, electrometrically,

quantum level, and genetically. And as it responds genetically, as soon as you have a genetic response, it means things are made. So structural changes occur with little amino acids which group together to form proteins are made. So at the moment, all words, this conversation, everything I'm saying, the questions you ask in the discussion we have, all of this is being received into this field by the listeners and the viewers and it's being processed through think field, choose, think field, choose at 400 billion actions per second. You're going through these cycles of think field, choose, think field, choose, think field, choose and that think field chooses pushing this energy through the brain and the brain is responding because as the mind

hits the physical brain there's a reaction and that reaction is electromagnetic chemical quantum and genetic. And as I say when it's genetic then it makes something and it makes proteins. So those proteins then hold my words as vibrations and the proteins group together because I'm saying lots of words. So there's lots of proteins and then you basically grow tree. So what I'm holding up now is a little green plant that looks like a little green tree. That's in a pot.

So obviously it has roots and that's a thought. So the consequence or the product of mind is thoughts. So here we're listening to this discussion on mind brain. So that's the discussion. So that discussion is coming at you through this whole physics gravitational field, think field choose, and it's becoming this protein tree that's made of proteins. And the words that are being heard and the things that are being seen are in the little proteins vibrating and the proteins that form these branches.

So as I'm speaking, more branches are growing because I'm giving more information. But the words that I'm saying are the roots. So these, every tree has roots. So this is a thought that you're building of this discussion. And if you look at like a tree's got lots of branches and lots of roots, a thought has lots of branches and lots of roots, which are memories. So I'm giving the information I'm giving is actually memories, which are built into a thought. So a thought is made of memories. They're not the same thing. A thought

is actually made of lots and lots of memories. Could be hundreds, could be thousands. So everything I'm saying is going into the roots. Like a tree you plant the seed and then the roots grow. As you introduce me, you plant at the seed. We're going to talk about mind brain or mental health or whatever, the how you introduce the podcast. Then as I'm speaking, the words I'm saying I'll be converted by the listeners into these roots. And every word I'm saying is adding more branches. So by the end of our discussion, there could be 2,000 roots in the system. As the listener is receiving that, then the listener immediately interprets, because you all have your own unique perception.

So the branches, so the intersior, the roots of the source, the branches, then are your interpretation, your perception, how you are seeing this, based on your own experience, all the things you've read and who you are as a person and your cultural upbringing, and everything you know about this field,

and everything you know about life because we're talking about life stuff here. So these branches here are your thoughts, feelings and choices, the result of your thinking, feeling and choosing your mind and action of this information. And that's how we experience life. We build 8 to 10,000 of these in any one day. Because as soon from the time you open your eyes

till the time you go to sleep, every experience is going through this process. It's being received through the gravitational fields, you think you'll choose, and the product is built, which is the thought. So the experience, what you read, what you hear, what someone says to you, the email, the social media posts, the comment on social media, the conversation,

the relationship, the business plan. That's the source. Your interpretation is this, then this is how you act out. So how you show up, what you say and what you do, your behaviour. So everything you say and do, like I'm speaking now, I'm not speaking from random, I'm speaking from thoughts that I have built over the years, over 38 years, I've got an extensive set of thought trees related to this topic. So I'm drawing on this information as I'm speaking. And so that's what we do all the time, which is, yeah, which is amazing. So I've got years of experience. And with your

questions, the way you ask me, I'm pulling up certain trees that are all kind of linked. It'll be a whole bush of trees linked to the root system because it's all connected, but different trees in the same root system. And I'm pulling on those as I'm talking to you. And as you're listening to me, you're pulling on your own root systems to build this new thought. So that's what's happening. That's what we do all day long. That's and that process can be controlled, which is amazing. So the mind is doing the work and the physically effect is happening in the brain. And not only are we building these trees in the brain, but we build a wave-like version of them in the gravitational field.

And there's a third place. We also, there's a representation of this in the DNA of every cell of our body. And we have 37 to 100 trillion cells in our brain and our body. So at this moment, everything that the listeners are hearing and seeing is being converted by mine, think, feel, choose gravitational fields into the brain as thought trees, root systems, what I'm saying, interpretation

of the branch memories, and in the DNA, and in the, in waveforms, like wavy trees in the gravitational fields, three places we built the consequences of our experience, and that happens all day long. And we've been doing this since a certain age in the womb, so we have trillions and trillions of thought trees in our brain, gravitational fields, and the DNA representation, which is phenomenal. And all of that you can control. It's so amazing. It is absolutely amazing. It makes you feel so blessed to be a human, you know, like just the fact that we are human and we have this incredible brain is a blessing. And I feel like, hopefully if you got nothing else from that, you realize that how magnificent it is to just be alive and be a human

because you don't have a mind if you're not alive. So there's so much to go with that. I want to know about your perspective in terms of the soul and your perspective on source, energy and the universe and what you believe knowing what you know about our mind and our brain, because I feel like you are one of the few people in the world that really, really understands what's going on. So what is your perspective on spirituality and all of that? I love that question. So spirituality is science. So it's the same thing, two sides of the same coin. So when I talk about all these science-y things, I'm talking about the spiritual nature of man.

So I'm talking pretty much, and there's all these different words we can use in every single religion. You're going to find different names, but it's all pointing to the same thing. So I like to talk about the concept as the soul, you know, you like in the Christian religion, you'll talk about spiritual body, but you'll see representations of that in everything. You'll see it in Islam, you'll see it in the Jewish tradition, the Torah, you'll see it across the Ayurvedic text. So you'll see it in all the ancient texts, you'll see a version of that. So everything points to the same concept that mankind has this

spirit soul thing and a body. And the spirit soul is this gravitational field. So I see this soul and the spirit, you could say this, I talk about the spiritual level being this gravitational field that moves through and the thing feels choose. And you could take it, and I often talk about the spiritual level, being this gravitational field that moves through and the stink field choose. And you could take it, and I often talk about that, as well, I do talk about it in the book as well, is you can take the spirit and the soul and you can say the spirit is the sort of deeper part. But I prefer to explain the soul and mind as the same thing.

I think it pretty much is the same thing. It's all ability to stink, feel and choose. But you can look it in this way. You have a messy mind and you have a wise mind. Every human at their core, they spiritual core has this wisdom. And this wisdom is this in neurobiology and neurophysiology we talk about being wired for love,

that the brain and the body doesn't have any structural design for anything that is toxic and the body doesn't have any structural design for anything that is toxic and manged toxicity. So we have designed for making a mess and repairing the mess, but not staying in a mess. So we have the design for maybe getting into an argument because that's the messiness of life. But if we stay in the argument, we don't have design for that. What we have designed for is having the argument and then fixing the argument, managing the

mess. That's what I talk about cleaning up the mental mess. We designed to clean up the mental mess. And that's a very solished, spiritual thing that we're doing and we're using the brain and the body. So without the brain and the body, we can't express ourselves. So the mind and the soul, the spirit soul, mind concept, I go to a lumpet under mind and you look at a lot of the ancient texts, you'll see mind is referring to spirit and soul as the same sort

of thing. So and that's the, you can also talk about it as consciousness, but that's also not enough because consciousness, I talk about this in the book, you've got the mind has got different levels and the one levels the conscious mind, then you've got the non-conscious mind and you have the subconscious mind you have three levels of mind and that's people get very muddled up as well. So to make this really super simple think first of all of mind and brain as I've described so mind is this force this gravitational field and it's think field choose brain and body is the physical. Without the two separate the mind can express itself or the spirit can also call it express itself but with body it has a place now to store and express so we can express ourselves so through

the body that's where the magic happens the mystery of this connection between the mind brain body integration. Okay the instinct of okay so mind is the soul spiritual level and if we think mind, the easiest way to expand it is let's go back to the messy mind versus the wise mind. It's not these. So think of it being a pilot in a plane, the soft and high explain it. And in a plane you have the pilot and you always have a co-pilot. And the co-pilot gives the bigger picture, kind of looks into what's going on, keeps a

handle on planning, looking present, past and future. It's kind of the business, there's wisdom in the co-pilot, not that there isn't wisdom in the pilots, but the pilots really experimental, they are actually doing the action of flying. And so that's your messy mind. And that's what we, when you wake up in the morning, so the time you go to sleep, the messy mind is operating. It's your conscious mind. So consciousness, when you talk about a stream of consciousness, that is when you're

awake. So you open your eyes, between the time you open your eyes until the time you go to sleep, you're experiencing the stream of consciousness. And your messy mind is experimenting in that process. So we don't know what's coming up. We can't control people. We can't control events in circumstances. So it's very experimental.

And that's why it's messy. But messy is okay because messiness allows us and affords us the opportunity to repair and to grow. So if you have a, if you do get irritable and snappet someone, you can either stay irritable and stay snapping and keep the damage, your brain and body are not designed for that. Or you can respond to your wild for love design and your optimism bias. Recognize that as an imbalance.

Recognize the impact that's had on you and on the person, because it will cause brain damage in both you and the person. And you can mind manage that. You can self-regulate that. You can apologize and you can change your behaviour. That's mind management. That is you using your mind to manage your mind. That is the messy mind that experimented and made a mess.

And then the messy mind is actually listening to the wise mind, the co-pilot, and drawing on intelligence. So that ability to correct yourself, the ability that we have now to have this kind of conversation will be exploring the deep things of life. And we're getting kind of deep with all This is the wise mind, analyzing life. When you give someone advice and someone comes to you and asks you a question and you say, you give them and you say, wow, this is like amazing advice, I should take my own advice. That's your wise mind. When you're in a situation and you know what you should do, you don't

always do it, but you know what you should, that's your wise mind. Your wise mind is at the core of your being. It is your, for one to the universal kind of word, I use the word, Godness. Could be Godness. It could be your ancient wisdom, source energy. Makes so much sense to call it source energy because that's why I don't like to talk about God because it defines it to a religion.

And this is, we're talking about something that's beyond just man's religion. This is, we're talking about life. The essence of man's religion. This is we're talking about life. The essence of life. So sources are great. It's a great but there's the wise source where you can add. So what we do in life is we've got to train ourselves to listen to the source, to listen to the wisdom and that is cleaning up the mental mess.

That is the messy mind learning to listen and tune in and introspect and find that wise mind and connect with that. And we can train ourselves to do that. If you played a musical instrument, do you play one? I sang, I can play piano a little. Okay, so let's say now you wanted to become an expert piano player. You would have to spend a lot of time with a great teacher, maybe a series of teachers you'd have to spend hours every day, and you would eventually master it, and maybe you have a natural talent and become brilliant, but you'd certainly become very good because

you dedicate a lot of time. In other words, the point I'm making is you could train yourself to become a really excellent piano player, maybe even a brilliant piano player, but it requires very deliberate and conscious attention and a decision to do that and do the development. Or you could just be sort of an average player and just play now and then, you know, like me, I'll play chopsticks and that's about it, but I used to play the mandala and not don't play anymore, but I could do the same thing, I could go and relearn it. So the point I'm making is we can just, we are mind is working anyway, but if we don't manage it and we don't develop it, if we don't decide I'm going to develop to the level of brilliance and skill, then you stay in a messy mind.

So cleaning up the mental mess, the concept that I'm delivering to people and helping people to understand is that mind is this developed mental process. It's this thing that you can grow. It's malleable, it's trainable. It's a deliberate and it's always working. I mean, you can go three weeks without food, you can go three days without water, you can go three minutes without oxygen, but you don't even go three seconds without your mind working. So your mind is working regardless.

So my question or my proposal is if your mind is always working and it's working with this messy mind, co-pilot mind, we can improve how that happens. So we can get our messy mind to constantly be listening, or to be listening the majority of time to the co-pilot working with, not even so much listening, but working hand in hand with, because messy is not bad if it leads to growth and repair, or repair and growth.

Messies are only bad if you don't repair and grow, and you get stuck, that then maintains brain damage in the brain and body and increases vulnerability to disease because it changes the environment of the whole gravitational field and the body and increases vulnerability to disease by 35 to 98 percent, which is phenomenal. So we, but with mind management, you can reduce that risk factor in your body. You can create and you can then activate the natural form of copia and natural healing. Thoughts have weight, these things that are products of mind. These have weight, these have physical structure in the brain and collectively as you train your mind and as you train yourself to work on these and as you train yourself to access

the source to build these, your wise mind, you are building incredible, powerful weight into your brain. Which is, so in other words, you are creating. Every time you think right now you're all creating because your brain is changing. That's neuroplasticity. This is the question that told me was ridiculous in the 80s, which I showed by the late 80s. I showed that to some of the first neuroplasticity research saying that, hey, if you change your mind, you can change your brain.

Which I didn't believe, by the mid 90s it was accepted when we had, if immorality technology and we could not just, I just had CT scans when I first started, which is a static image. By the mid-90s we could see the changes happening and we could start seeing what was going on. So therefore now we know that the brain always changes. The mind is always changing, the brain is always changing. So at this moment you are being a creative being.

You are changing your brain, your brain is not the same as what when you started the conversation. That means you are creating structural change. So my point is that you can design that. You can direct that change by how you manage in your mind. Because your brain will simply do what your mind tells it to do. So if your mind goes down the root of complaining or negativity or that's just, and you practice that enough within 63 days you built a habit, take 63 days to build a habit within 63 days of complaining. So nine weeks of

complaining, you have wired in a toxic pattern. So here's a toxic tree. I'm holding up a wiry tree. I was going to ask you what do they look like? Yeah, they literally look like misfolded proteins. So that's why I use these two energies. It would be healthy and it would be toxic. So she's carrying up one really healthy plant and then one that looks like dead in black, basically. And the black one is the negative thought. It's the toxic, healthy versus toxic. So and I'm saying healthy versus toxic because negative and positive are too narrow.

So healthy versus toxic because you healthy is, is use, you may still feel depressed, but the fact that you're working on it, you, and you try to find out why, that you, you still depressed, but you, you're working on it. That's healthy versus saying that depression is all bad. See so to, because depression is not bad at all. Depression is a messenger. Depression is a signal telling you that there's something you need to work on. You need to become a thought detective.

Because everything that you're a core in the beginning, I expand how we build a thought with our mind, and this is then how we show up. So if you want to know what's going on in your mind, you just gotta look at what you're saying and doing. What are you saying? What are you doing? What are your emotions?

How are you showing up on all those levels, your behaviors, your emotions, your perspective, and your body, what you're body telling you? And when you look at those as warning signals, those are what this is generating. And then you can look at what you're generating and you can track it back why. And that's what generating this. That's what the neuropsychil is, which is the second part of the book, which is the system I developed over 38 years.

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Actually change the way your brain is wired into something healthy, is that correct? That's exactly what's happening. So, and you're using your mind to do that. So, your mind changes your brain. And when your mind changes your brain, your brain controls your body, so then your mind changes your body.

But your mind is moving through your entire body all the time. That's why we'll have researchers that talk about the intelligence in the cells of the body. Because your brain and your body are made of 37 to 100 trillion cells. And each cell's got the DNA and it's responding. So as you are listening now, you're trees are building in your brain,

but your whole body is responding. So this mind, your mind is a global thing over your entire body. And it's changing your body. So you are a change agent, you are actually making change. Thoughts have got weight, their substance. So we've created some, so from your mind, you create physical structure. And then what you say and do, so let's just think of the invention of Zoom,

that we are also reliant on now. The team of people that created that concept, that started as a thought. So there was a problem how do we communicate via technology in Zoom was developed years ago but some person asked the question how can we have communicated in a more effective way whatever the question was. So that was the experience that they had an experience that required this and they then started thinking and working it out which then led to the stripping voltage, then this then led to the invention. The invention doesn't have just a random, it doesn't just pop out of the air, it comes out of someone's

head. So someone's mind created that and then worked with a team of anything. Everything you look around, just look at a painting, look at the cars, look at buildings, look at architecture. It's phenomenal. What we've been doing is humans. It's all come from the mind. The mind is doing that work and using the brain and the body to be able to express it so to make it happen.

And that's what we can do. Now we look at the bad things that have happened. I mean, look at the negative things. Look at the walls and look at how this incredible knowledge we have as humans can be misused. So mind can be misused and that's very toxic. And people that are very toxic, that will genocide and terrible things that happen, people that rape and murder, their own brains are damaged because their brains are not on or wired for love.

So those toxic thoughts, this is brain damaging, this is increasing vulnerability to disease, this is creating, you know, this is very real, this is increasing vulnerability to disease, this is creating, you know, this is very real, but this is not the norm. So therefore keeping these suppressing trauma or growing toxic, what if you think about the most will grow? And if this is what you thinking about, this is what you see, look, I'm looking through the tree, I'm looking through this toxic tree now, as opposed to looking through a healthy tree. I'm holding up the healthy tree in front of my eyes now. So how we look at life is what and what we think about the most is growing into our brain, changing our brain and our body. And that then produces what we say and

what we do. So we impact the world with our thoughts. The world's impact is coming from every invention, everything that happens, every political decision, every racist, systemic racist decision, every person that's hurt, it's come from someone's mind. It's so powerful what you're saying. Like, it's literally so groundbreaking what you're saying. I can't believe that they don't teach this stuff in school. When I was reading your stuff,

I just, I couldn't believe that like, we don't know about this. It's not commonly talked about. We only hear about positive affirmations. We don't really hear the science behind it. It's all kind of woo-woo when it's actually real, when it's dictating the whole world and everything we live in and everything we experience. So it's so powerful. Now you've got it exactly. Mind is considered, it's considered the hard question of science, but consciousness, which is what we have in your wake, which is just a mind when we awake.

We haven't even spoken about the non-conscious yet, which is so powerful. But that's not the hard question of science, it's the most obvious, because just to ask that question you've used your mind, so how is mind hard? If you want to study mind, what are you doing? That's what you have to look at. What are you doing? What are you saying? That is evidence of mind and action. That's the iron filing shape on the paper. Remember the method you can't see the field, but put it

in iron filings or put it next to a paper clip and suddenly there's something happening? That's what mind is. So you want to study mind, what is a person saying and doing? Look at just look around you. Just look at your room. Look where you're studying now. Everything around you's come from mind. And if you look at, so therefore look in your room, look where you're studying now. Everything around you has come from mind. If you look at, so therefore, mind can be studied. So then mind, you need to look at conscious mind, is you can't just talk about consciousness, which is what they do in the literature. They talk about consciousness, and you hear people talking about stream of consciousness,

and that often the source research, they'll talk about stream of consciousness. But there's more, there's the unconscious. The unconscious mind is the biggest part of us. The unconscious mind is only 10% of the mind. And the mind is 99% of who we are. So what's the other 90% of mind? It's the unconscious. And that's where all of our thoughts are stored. And it goes, it works 24-7. It works at 10 to the 27, which is faster than 400 billion actions per second. It moves beyond space and time, so therefore it operates present, past and future all the time. It can be understood to a certain extent using things like quantum physics and gravitational fields.

And that's what is operating 24-7 and that's connected to the source. Every human has that. It's connected to the source and the source is uniquely playing out in each person. So that and what we need to do is find our own unique intelligence which then is part of the puzzle of every single human on the planet. And you know when mankind gets to that kind of level, when we start recognizing that because it's survival it's actually love. We're talking about something that's love based because it is for survival, it is for positivity, it's for health, love. That's the basic core tenet of humanity and the basic core tenet of wisdom

is basically operating together as a community for the betterment of mankind. And we've been very bad about that in the last 150 years, but really in the last 40 years, it's been really, really, really bad. Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the last 40 years, because I hear you talk about this often how, you know, we've had so many medical advancements, but in fact, we're dying a lot earlier. 18 to 25 years earlier is what I remember you saying. So why is that happening? Like, how is that possible? Like, technology is, you know, accelerating so fast, but yet, we're still dying earlier. It's really counterintuitive. So, can you explain that? Turkey. Turkey can't intuitive.

And thank you for asking that question. It's a very intuitive view to have picked that up because it's something that we should be telling everyone. You quite right. We should be teaching this as in schools. I didn't South Africa, I worked, I was huge teaching across the country, they're teaching in schools, teaching this, I've done a lot of work in this country, but it takes, it's a very different way of thinking.

So it takes time, so I'm always grateful to talk about this like on a, anyway, to help try and expand this concept and get people thinking. Okay, so that's the one thing. So basically, what's happened is that we were very good about exploring mind up until about 40, 50 years ago. And really, and you still got your philosophy of this day, there's still a huge body of science, but it's been pushed aside by a dominant classical philosophy of reductionism, which basically means that we have become very advanced from the mid 90s with neuroscience. The brain has taken over, and it's great that we understand the brain.

It's led to the most phenomenal discoveries, but it's become a deep sense of mind. So everything became mind. So instead of mind being separate and forced away, I've described it, the brain has become it and they talk about mind being almost like a mistake by a product of brain. So they talk about brain-producing mind and that then leads to this concept of, you're not a human with a story, you just basically brain, you just mechanical things.

So if you feel depression, regardless of your story, you've got something wrong with your brain. You've got a brain disease, you've got a neurobiological brain deficit, you've got a broken brain, you've got some whatever. So they're always looking for the neurobiological correlate, which means they're looking for where in the brain is this emotion, is that experience, is that thinking that it starts

there and produces. So therefore your individuality or uniqueness, your perspective of life, the beauty, the core humanity, which is this individuality that is accelerated, I mean, or that is accentuated or enhanced in community, it's not about that is accentuated, enhanced in community. It's not about you, it's about you in the world, but it's the individual pieces that make up the whole. That's been pretty much obliterated, all reduced down to brain, brain, brain, brain, brain. And at the same, when you do that, you then, as I said, you ignore the person's narrative. Now, you can't ignore 90 to 99% of humanity.

You can't switch off the gravitational field. You can't switch off the basic laws that how you are experiencing is affecting how you function. So you can't tell a child who's repeatedly abused and then gets put in a foster care system and gets more abused and then gets labeled with all, as in this climate gets labeled with all kinds of labels and maybe gets more abused and then gets medically abused because they get given all these drugs and so on too,

because they so-called behavioral issues gets a friend equal and learning to say able to do something. You can't tell that person what's happening and they shouldn't be happening is that they're telling that kind of person, oh you're a broken band, you diseased. Now they're not diseased, they've had a terrible life. They are having a response, a reaction. If you repeatedly abuse, obviously you're going to be a behavior problem. You don't even know how to cope with yourself. You're going to hate yourself. You don't know what to do. You don't know who to trust. You don't know what way to turn. So that will manifest in whatever you can do to cope and that's going to be different for everyone. And obviously it's on a negative spectrum.

But that's not a disease. So what has happened over the last few years is prior to that we would see your experience as a reason for how you show up. Now, your experience is not the reason for how you show up. It's your brain is broken. That's the reason for why you show up like you do. So the child's battling with behavior issues

or the person's really depressed, it's not about your story. That, you know, yes, your story is going to make it worse, but they are saying it's your brain, it's your genetics, and that's wrong. And when you have that view, it's unscientific, it cannot, it does science, 40 years of science has shown, it's the wrong way of doing it, it doesn't work, it's made things worse, depression, anxiety, et cetera, haven't magically gone away, like cancer's been, it's made things worse, depression, anxiety, etc. haven't magically gone away, like cancer's been, we've got cancer pretty much under control with advances in medicine and we've got things like heart disease to, to

menacely under control because of advances in medicine. That works for the body, it works for the physical parts of the body, but it doesn't work for mind. Mind can't be put into that kind of category. Mind is so massively expansive. And everyone, there's no cookie cut of framework. You can have two people in the same home that have had the same abuse.

And one will be a total success, and one will be a drug addict. And they've had exactly the same upbringing. We see this with identical twins. They're totally different pathways in their life. In other words, the uniqueness of humanity has been obliterated. The story of humans has been obliterated. And when that happens, you will have a major problem.

So for years, for decades, we have been living longer because of advances in medicine and technology. Because medicine was so bad. And it was not existent, and then medicine developed, which was phenomenal. And it's continued to develop. So it's kept people alive. But we've reached the point in history, where that advance in medicine technology brain science

is we know how to keep a person alive. But we've taken away an ingredient, that is the most important ingredient in that's mind. And that then has caused, so for the first time in decades, people are not living longer, they're dying younger, eight to 25 years younger. And it's called death of despair. So people are dying literally from lack of hope. When you have a person who's been through multiple abusive situations, you take a woman who's in abusive marriage and it goes on for years and years and she gets extremely depressing,

it goes to the doctor and it's been really bad and gets labeled as schizophrenic and bipolar and gets given medication. That totally does ignoring the person's story. You don't need to give them a label, they're not disease, that person has been through trauma, that person's story needs to be heard, that person needs support to be a thought detective, to be able to recognise that depression is a warning system. It's a signal. It's basically your, if you think of being a detective, it's your clue that there's something going on. So the top of the trees is how that person

is thinking, feeling and choosing about the experience. The roots are all the abuse of experiences over time, which are manifesting in how that person is functioning, which is then all of us is showing up in the depression, the withdrawal, the breaking down, the whatever it may be. So if we see it like that, then we can say, okay, your depression is not a disease, it is telling us, it's a messenger, it's telling us about your story. Let's be thought to tipters and let's understand your story, let's deconstruct it, and then let's reconstruct it.

You can't change the effect that the abuse happened, but you can change how you respond to it and how you want it to play out into a future. So if you look at this tree, and if you look deeply inside, and I'm holding up the green tree again, and some of the branches for the view is some of the branches are light green

and some are dark green, and they like that for a reason. The dark green is how you want to be in the future. You want to be free of that abuse. You don't want to be depressed. Depression will still come. It's a normal part of life. But you don't want it to be controlling you

that you depressed all the time. When you have a bout of depression, you want to be able to recognize what it is and manage it. So this person, it's take the snow of the woman who's abused multiple abuse in a marriage situation. The process looking at the abuse deconstructing and reconstructing over time and this takes cycles of 63 days. Eventually you're going to build a new thought. This thought will lose its energy. This energy will be transferred from this toxic thought this of all the abuse of situations and all the memories surrounding that that injury transferred

to the new tree. Energy's never lost any transfer to. So if I take the energy from here, this dies and if I put it here, this grows. And in this, the light is the story, this, the reconceptualised. This is what happened, but this is how I want to live my life. The dark is the how I want to live my life in the future. How do I want this to play out? I want to be happy, have a happy relationship. I want to feel good about myself. I don't want to feel the shame. I don live my life in the future. How do I want this to play out? I want to be happy, have a happy relationship.

I want to feel good about myself. I don't want to feel the shame. I don't want to feel the fear. I want you to be able to wake up in the morning and be happy I'm alive and not terrified of the day. So that's the dark green. And that's what you're moving towards. That's not going to happen with a label and drugs.

That's going to happen with you understanding how to manage your mind 24-7 because you're living with your mind 24-7. You wake up with your mind, you go to sleep with your mind, your conscious mind is awake when you're awake, your non-conscious mind is awake 24-7. So while we're awake now, the non-conscious is working with the conscious. So that's why we get triggered. So now this person, this woman is in a situation that says she's now working through the situation

and she's now maybe in day 42 or something. And a situation happens that is triggered. She may be a seizure of the ex-husband or something like that. And that then triggers a response. But because she's in the process of healing, the trigger can be recognized for what it is. It's a trigger of that fear, that pain of what happened. And there's a logic, a wise mind, can then copilot, can say to the pilot, okay, that's what happened.

But this is how we're going to manage the situation, we're going to practice this. By day 63, when the trigger happens, you're not going to respond with a flight from flight, you're going to have the so strong and so full of energies, it's going to grow, like a plant's going to grow. It's only small in the big, it takes 21 days for it to be made, for this to go and this to grow. But it takes another 42 days to make the strong enough that it's a habit, that it actually impacts your behavior. So by day 63, onwards, when you're in a situation where you something triggers a memory from your past, you still feel that the anxiety, you still may feel the bit of depression, but the difference is you now know why and you now know what to do.

So instead of you falling into a slump and not being able to function in your day, you can have that moment of acknowledgement of the pain where it's coming from the source, and this is what your plan is to overcome that. And so you move forward into a new relationship. See what I'm saying? That's the power that we have within us. So I'm not going to say that you're going to eliminate depression. I say you're going to eliminate the source of depression and therefore increase your management of future parts of depression by 81%.

So therefore what that means is that all of us are going to have periods of depression. It's so normal. It's not, we've got to normalise what they've taken away and abnormalised. They've made it abnormal. If you have any kind of depression or up and down moods or you're feeling suicidal, 95% people have suicidal thoughts and I'm not overriding that. There's these are vitally important. In fact, I'm giving more level of importance when I say it's so important to pay attention to your mind.

That I'm saying self-regulatory mind all the time. Neuroscience shows us we can do that every 10 seconds. That's how important it is. I am saying that if you just give it a label of bipolar and a medication, you're taking away the importance, you're dishonoring and invalidating that person's whole life experience. And you're not giving that person the power in their lives, you're not empowering them to face this toxic issue and reconstruct it to a point that they can actually have mental peace. So when we have a day, we'd let's say now that you've gone through this healing and it's 20 years later and you're 20 years after the abuse, but you're in a situation where something bad happens and you feel a bit depressed, you're in the pandemic, maybe this happened 20 years ago,

now the pandemic happens and these things that can make us all depressed. It doesn't mean we brain diseased. It means that we're having an adverse experience. Because that's the concept. So people, when you take that away, what happens then is that moving the mind and keeping these, keeping that abuse, keeping the trauma, this increases vulnerability to disease by 35 to 98%. So here's the math. If you don't deal with your stuff and you just get it labeled in surprise, because that's what the current narrative is doing. The current gold standard of psychiatric treatment

is labeled and there's these therapy, but the therapy's very often also just a bandaid on a wound. It's not really solving deconstructing and reconstructing and equipping people. If you do that, you then increase the vulnerability to disease. If you increase vulnerability to disease, what's going to happen? You're going to die younger.

So this shift over the last 40 years has been happening. So people are now getting not processing, keeping this, which is then shortening life spans. And also you can give in drugs that also shorten life spans, psychotropic drugs, shortening life spans. They double the risk of suicide. They're in span, psychotropic drugs, shorten life spans. They double the risk of suicide. In women, antidepressants increase the risk of suicide by three to four times. And in kids it's even more. So antipsychotics increase the risk of suicide.

And all of these psychotropic increase the risk of anxiety and depression. So the very thing they're supposed to be treating, they're actually increasing. And we've been sung, the wrong message has been sung. The science is evident. These things do not work. People are dying. So in 1996, they started seeing this trend. And by 2014, it was confirmed that people are dying younger. And then the pandemic hit just a few years later. While we in the midst of the pandemic that hasn't been spoken about, which is not dealing with our mind. And now the pandemic's happened, what are they saying? There's an increase in mental health disease, and we have to give more diagnoses and more medication. It's going to make it even worse.

It's not the solution. The solution is we have to listen to people's narrative. We have to work as communities to help people to cope with these changes. And we have to deal with things like systemic racism, etc., etc. We have to make massive community changes, not just individual changes. Wow. Sorry. I was alone on to a very good question.

No, it was so good. And don't be sorry, that was amazing. So if I could just kind of regurgitate what you said, we are living in a world of labels, right? We're always labeled. You're depressed, you're bipolar, you're sick, you're diseased, and these labels are just covering up and suppressing us. Even the medicine is numbing our thoughts and the sacro tropics, yeah.

Yeah, it's basically just covering it up. It's not actually fixing anything. And so the dead black thought trees that you were telling us about, which are very much alive, which are very volcanic in nature. Okay, so there are live these toxic trees in our brain keep growing

because we're not actually fixing the problem, we're not actually rewiring our brain to heal ourselves. So it's so crazy, like it's actually unbelievable that this is happening right now. It is unbelievable. And what you know, what's worse, starting to interrupt you, but you know what's worse is that even the day-to-day stuff is not being managed. So we think, okay, well, the orientation, the politics happening, the systemic racism, and seeing the reading the news, we think, okay, those made, I'm reading the news, it

didn't happen to me. We don't think it's a fate, but it is because those little traumas are basically converging and growing and becoming as traumatic as these and we're not managing those either. So that's also what I'm proposing, not only do we need to detox the traumas of the past, we need the patterns, we need to look for the patterns, the patterns tell us what is big and then we need to spend dedicated 15 to 45 minutes a day working on the patterns. But you've also got to manage your moment by moment, you wake up in the morning, you've got to go to work, you've got to do this, you've got to do that, you've got to be a parent

whatever, whatever it is that you do, how are you doing it? Are you getting mad, are you getting irritated, are you getting crazy and traffic, are you snapping at everyone? Are you freaking out at every news bulletin? Are you scrolling through social media and getting in post-acendron every time you look at the comments on or someone else's post? You know, no one's talking about that. We have to manage that too.

We have to self-regulate 24-7. And when I say 24-7 consciously and deliberately when you're awake, you can actually do it every 10 seconds. The neuroscience shows you can stand back and observe your unthinking and monitor yourself and change yourself so that I can other words, if you're in a conversation, in a business meeting and you find yourself getting terribly worked up because of what someone's saying, you're getting really mad and you're getting

want to say something nasty, you can do the neuropsych, on that moment in five seconds and you can get yourself calm and under control. Then it's that you go from, you can benefit from the meeting. Then you can go from that meeting, maybe you pick up the kids from school or something and they will fight in the car and you're going crazy because you haven't quite processed the meeting and you upset about that and other kids and all you can do in your cycle get yourself under control each time. You can have an argument, have to get onto a podcast or someone says, or you get a terrible email now, you've got to interview someone because you're not doing that a lot. Interving people, you've got to be really focused. It's not easy to interview someone.

And then you may have something may have upset you. So you could have done a neuropsychal just before to get your mind back. In other words, we should be monitoring our mind and we are designed to do that every 10 seconds. When we awake, and then at nighttime, our mind's still working and sorting out for people that are in the day. So if we've got a good neuropsychal system, we'll be managing our mind of our mind management's in place during the day. That means when we go into the night we go in with a more peaceful sleep because sleep has been so badly affected

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I interrupted you these. Sorry. No, it's okay. I need to bring you back on the show because I feel like there's so much that I need to talk about. Maybe I'll bring you on clubhouse or something soon. There's so much I want to ask you. I guess where I want to kind of close this out

is actionable advice. So let's say that one of my listeners out there and I know that there's somebody listening and we're on the topic of depression. That's probably medicated right now for anxiety or depression. And they've been told that this is how they're gonna heal and this is the only way to treat what's going on.

So what's advice would you give them to kind of start improving their lives and moving towards healing themselves, using their mind rather than using medication? That's a great question. So first off is that medication, we told'm not anti-medication for like heart disease and diabetes and just general medication for medicine and surgery, I think it's a fantastic phenomenal thing and your mind is so important in beginning the benefit from that.

And research has shown just very quickly that if you are let's say getting cancer treatment and your mind is not, if you're not managing your mind, you won't get the same kind of benefit. There's huge amounts of bodies of research showing that to get benefit from medication for physical illness, you really need to have your mind involved. Okay, so that's the first thing. So when we talk about psychotropics, we're talking about antidepressants, anti-anxiety meds, anti-psychotics and stimulants. Now, the anti-orities are the wrong word because they're not anti-anything. They're based on the concept of an antibiotic. And antibiotic is given

to fight a bacteria, so it's anti-the bacteria. So, psychotropic language has been stored and formed that. And the impression is that, okay, well, if I take the antibiotic and kills the bacteria, if I take the anti-depressant, it kills the depression. It doesn't do that. Because depression isn't a chemical imbalance. Depression is coming from, it kills a depression, it doesn't do that. Because depression isn't a chemical imbalance. Depression is coming from, it's a signal, it's a warning signal, it's not a chemical imbalance and it causing a chemical, it's not a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not an it, there's no research to back that up at all. It is a response to an underlying cause.

And because it moves through your brain, your brain will respond with imbalances, chemically imbalances and neurotoxicity and all that kind of thing. But it's different for every person. In the book, cleaning up your menstrual mates, I do show how I looked at things like inflammation, cortisol, DNA, and how when we don't manage our mind, those get worse. But as soon as you manage your mind within nine weeks, you can change or tell a mere length, which means that you literally can reduce your life span. We had people that were so depressed at the beginning of the study that, at the beginning

of, and this is when in the book, that they had been clinically diagnosed with depression, and I'm holding up now for those of you that can't see, I'm holding up what we're quite called QEG head maps, And it's just basically a photograph, it's QEEG image of inside the brain and there's three rows, the top rows blue and the bottom two rows are gray. Okay, so what that means is that looking inside a person who's very depressed,

the energy in the brain, the energy response in the brain, the blood flow, all that kind of stuff, the blood flow, oxygen, et cetera, is very flat. And you don't want that. You want it to be like waves in a sea, where you've got the big waves at the back and then they're built to the breaker and they crash on the beach and there's the ripples. And you want that kind of flow in your brain across both sides. And that's a grey brain.

When that's happening, you'll see shades of grey. When a person's very depressed, you'll see blue. Now when you manage your mind, the blue changes to grey. So what that's was showing is in our clinical trial, we showed that people that we'd diagnose with clinical depression and they'd try everything. They, once they were managing their mind using the neuropsycho, the five steps, which is in the second half of the book, very, very simplisticly explained, etc. They, the depression, lifted within 21 days.

It didn't go away, it lifted. And the difference was, instead of them saying, I am depression, which was the identity, by the 21 days, they were saying, I am depressed because of huge difference. By the 63, they were not scared of depression, they recognized they could use the depression to help themselves. So that's massive. Okay, so basically, to come back really to the medication, then on a practical level, you cannot just stop a psychotropic. Psychotropics are basically like anaesthetics, so they numb the brain. And that's why people feel better on them very often because the pain is numb, so that terrible pain that you can't get out of bed, that love, so you feel like you can live

again. And that's what a lot of people do say. So, you know, maybe for 24 hours or 48 hours, but not longer, because they're very addictive and they do change the brain. So some of you may have been on these drugs for years and I use thinking, oh my gosh, I've damaged my brain. Yes, unfortunately you have damaged your brain, but your brain can heal. That is the beauty of this. And but you never just stop them immediately.

So I have to put a disclaimer in here, do not just stop any kind of antidepressant or antisaquatic or stimulant because your brain will go into shock because your brain is physically changed so you have to come up very very slowly so if you make the decision to choose to come off you need to get with a medical professional who understands how to get you off medication and then you taper off taper TAPER you can google tapering and we're putting up a lot of reference we've got a lot of resources on our site too and drdering. And we're putting up a lot of resources on our site too, and DrLeaf.com, and we're putting up even more.

But basically taping means that you take fraction less every day. So your body, so you help your brain to heal in the process of taping off. That's vitally important. I just have to stress that upfront. You cannot just stop called Turkey, because suicidal thoughts and all kinds of things

will come back. And then you'll get told by your doctors that the diseases coming back. It's not a disease in the first place. It's withdrawal effects. The drugs create withdrawal effects. And the last thing with drugs is that you can request from your doctor who ever put you on for the informed consent, which is a big document that tells you everything about drugs. If that doctors legally are required to do that before they put you on and most doctors don't and it's a legal requirement and if you read that document you would have very strong second thoughts about taking them because that document's folded all the things that the drug could do to you.

But it's really important that you find the source. So see that a pressure not is something negative. See it is a helpful messenger. It's telling you something. So embrace it instead of suppress it. And don't see depression as an yet, see depression as a clue, be a detective, be a thought detective. So okay, that depression is a messenger, it's helpful. As soon as you do that 1400 neurophysiological responses in your brain and body will start working for you and your resilience will increase.

So you'll add a chew to okay, this depression is fine, it's okay, there's a reason for it, it's not a disease, I'm not a broken brain, I'm okay, this is just a response, it's a clue, it's a signal to something going on, and then you begin the process of being a thought detective. Then you start doing the five steps every day for 15 to 45 minutes for the first 21 days. And from day 21, 22 to 40, 263, you just do step five. The five steps, and then there's a million other things that you can do around this,

there's so much in this tables, these explanations, there's examples of how to use for detoxing and everything, but basically the five steps train you to become together awareness of what the signals are, what they mean. So what are the emotional, what are the physical So what are the emotional, what are the physical, what are the behavioral, what are the perspectives, signals, all the signals.

So I teach you in the five steps how to gather awareness of the signals, but you're doing it as the pilot and the co-pilot. So you distancing yourself, you don't immerse yourself in that tree, you literally imagine flying over a forest as pilot and co-pilotilot messy mind and wise mind. And you're paying attention to the signal. What's the signal? Depression. Imagine a little signal coming out of the tree, a little smoke signal. These are little wires sticking up there. You land your

plane, you instead of just going over and ignoring it and suppressing it and pushing it and hoping it'll go away. You land your plane, you get out your plane with the copilot. So you're always with your wisdom and you stand back and you observe. So I'm not in it, I'm not under it. If it's a imagine it's full of rotten apples. You don't go stand under it and all the apples fall on your head. You stand back and you pick the apples, you gather awareness. That's the concept. That's the sort of how you come into the process and you gather awareness of all the different signals. Then you start reflecting very objectively. You've got to go through the sequence. Each sequence is creating more the brain, two sides of the brain to work together, increasing

blood flow to the front of the brain and oxygen, increasing your decision making capability, pulling in more gamma activity, that's increasing integration. There's all the signs of what's happening in each step I've put into the book, not all of it, the simple version. So each step is sequentially designed, you can't skip a step. You do all five steps because it's progressively taking you into a deeper state. So the second one is basically a deep reflection. The third one is, third and fourth steps are writing steps. You do two very specific ways of writing, they're not just standard journaling, but each is taking you deeper and deeper, and then the last step is an action.

That ends the work for the day because you don't want to be working, you don't want to get stuck in this all day long. You just focus on that toxic stuff for that 15 to 45 minutes. So the act of reach, the action step five is just something that keeps you anchored back in a safe space. So it's just, I am not shame or something like that. So it's a statement that every time your mind wants to go and ruminate, you don't allow it. You capture that thought, you put it in the box, you say,

tomorrow I'll work on it for today, that's all I'm going to do. And you work. So because you do, the whole point is that you do it over time. You're not going to get everything revealed in day one. It takes a full 21 days to embrace process and reconceptualize into the healthy tree. And then you reduce that fire for the rest of it. So, I mean, that's a pretty quick brief walk through, but there's some detail in the book. And there's an app to the Neurocycle app that is also literally giving you therapy. I was just going to say, guys, she has so many different resources. She has her book, The Mental Mass, then she has an app.

She has a podcast. So I highly recommend, like, honestly, guys, I've recommended books in the past, but I really, really recommend this one. I feel like you guys are going to find so much value. Dr. Caroline Leif, this was amazing. The last question I ask, oh, my guess is, what is your secret to profiting in life? Mind management without a doubt is, it's all driven by mind. So everything is driven by mind. So that's the, without managing your mind, your life is just a mess. And from there, it's just a natural profiting in everything relationships, your self-peace,

finances, business, et cetera. And you can also get better perspective. You don't look at anything, I don't look at anything as an external thing to bring into me. Everything's from inside art, because it's mind out. And then you've much more accepting of everything that happens. And I have goals and visions obviously, but they're not external that I'm trying to get in. I'm growing from the inside out.

I feel like what you're talking about is literally the future. Like you are talking about the future, what everybody's going to learn in school 20 years from now, but we're learning it now and you can take advantage of it now, even though it's not mainstream. So I want everybody listening and to realize that. Thank you so much, Dr. Caroline, where can people learn more about you and everything that you do? Absolutely. Thank you so much. Dr. Caroline,

me, is my Instagram handle, all my social media handles, obviously from Instagram, we all know you can get everything. That book, Cleaning Up or Mental Mace, and it's available wherever books are sold, and also on our psychdoctorleaf.com, we've got a story, all my other books are there, the neuropsychal app you can get in Google's iTunes, everything you can get through my Instagram page will take you to everything like everyone knows. And then my podcast is called Cleaning Up your Mental Mace. Perfect, and I'll stick all those links in the show notes. Thank you so much for your time. It was such a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Thanks for listening to Young & Profiting podcasts with neuroscientists, Dr. Caroline Leaf. Caroline was absolutely brilliant, and honestly her brain is on a whole other level. She literally thinks faster and talks faster than any other guest I've ever interviewed on this podcast. I loved when Caroline talked about how the mind and body are interconnected. Every human is technically wired for love. We're built for love.

And when the mind and body are not connected, that's when chaos ensues. Negative thoughts literally look like black trees in our brain. And whatever you think about the most will grow. We are what we think, and what we think about the most will grow the most. So if you think about bad thoughts a lot, that's going to keep growing and growing. You're either building chaos in your brain and making a mental mess, which can cause brain damage, or you're building order into your brain, cleaning up the mental mess and boosting your

brain health. Which side of the coin do you want to be on? I know which one I do. And aside from the coronavirus pandemic, I think we're also facing a mental health pandemic. We live in a world where for the most part we only suppress, label, and drug or mental distress Instead of embracing it, processing it, and reconceptualizing all the sufferings that we face in life When we don't process that suffering that pain is an embedded Toxic energy in our brain and it's embedded toxic energy in the cells of our bodies

And it's literally making us die 18 to 25 years earlier as a human species. As we learned in this podcast, this has to change and it starts with you and me. Dr. Caroline taught us that it takes 63 days to build a habit so get out there and begin your journey. A good place to start is to download Caroline's app neuropsychal or grab her book Cleaning Up Your Mental Mass. If you want to learn more about the different techniques to combine the mind and the body, I encourage you to take a listen to my episode number 46, Mindfulness, Meditation, and Manifesting with Emily Fletcher.

In that episode, we explain how meditation can help you cure insomnia, reverse the signs of aging, and even make you smarter. Here's a clip from that episode. If you invest the time on the front end to learn how to do it properly, then you're going to see very quickly that you are investing your time in meditation. And then the question becomes, are you willing to invest 2% of your day, which is 15 minutes twice a day? Are you willing to invest that so that the other 98% of your life can be more amazing? So that your sleep can be more efficient.

So you can have better sex. So you can be more present with your kids. So you can crush it at work so that you can achieve all the things that you want to achieve yes, but more importantly, enjoy yourself along the way. And so really the only thing I want to put out there is that if you're not getting a return on your investment for meditation, then you should consider changing techniques. Because they're not all created equal. Again, that's number 46, mindfulness, meditation, and manifesting with Emily Fletcher.

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