Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Lauren Berger: Get Your Life Together | E92

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

Meet the Career Queen! In this week’s episode, we are talking with Lauren Berger, CEO and founder of both Intern Queen and Career Queen as well as author of the book, Get It Together. Lauren has helped over 6 million people be connected to internships and jobs to ultimately help them find their dream career. In this episode, we’ll talk about Lauren’s beginnings as an intern herself, why she started Intern Queen, and how she created momentum for the site. We’ll also discuss key, easy insights on how to stay organized, time management advice, and the mindset of Method Over Mood.  Sponsored by Podbean. Podbean is podcast hosting platform with all the features you need to start a podcast, promote your podcast, and monetize your podcast. For 1 month of free hosting visit: www.podbean.com/YAP Social Media:    Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at [e-mail] Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com   Timestamps:   02:56 - All About Lauren 04:27 - Lauren’s Internship Experience 08:12 - Where Lauren Focused Her Internships 10:52- Transitioning from Intern to Full Time 14:39 - How Lauren Started Intern Queen’s Momentum 22:57 - Importance of Self-Love 26:22 - How to Sort Out Priorities 35:05 - Ways That Lauren Stays Organized 34:22 - Advice on Time Management 37:53 - Learning Self-Discipline 42:00 - Method Over Mood 45:36 - How to Deal with Rejection 50:12 - Lauren’s Secret to Profiting in Life   Mentioned in the Episode:   Lauren’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenberger Lauren’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/internqueen/ Intern Queen Website: https://www.internqueen.com/ Career Queen Website: https://www.careerqueen.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Halla Taha, and on Young and Profiting Podcast, we investigate a new topic each week and interview some of the brightest minds in the world. My goal is to turn their wisdom into actionable advice that you can use in your everyday life, no matter your age, profession or industry. There's no fluff on this podcast, and that's on purpose. I'm here to uncover value from my guests by doing the proper research and asking the right questions. If you're new to the show, we've chatted with the likes of XFBI agents, real estate moguls, self-made billionaires, CEOs, and bestselling authors. Our subject matter ranges from enhancing productivity,

had to gain influence, the art of entrepreneurship, and more. If you're smart and like to continually improve yourself, hit the subscribe button, because you'll love it here at Young & Profiting Podcast. This week on YAP, I'm chatting with Lauren Berger, CEO and founder of both the internqueen.com and careerqueen.com, as well as the author of three books, including her latest release, Get It Together.

Lauren has helped over six million people be connected to internships and jobs to ultimately help them find their dream career. She's spoken at over 200 universities, leadership conferences and entrepreneurship events. And her YouTube channel boasts over 1.2 million views, and Lauren's career advice has been featured on the Today Show, CMBC, Entrepreneur, Glamour, and more. Lauren not only delivers unique career advice to her audience, but she also has a marketing agency that helps leading brands activate brand ambassadors and establish a presence with both college students and young professionals worldwide. Her current roster of clients includes Michael Kors, Kuregg, Whole Foods, Estay Lauder,

and over 30 other major brands. In this episode, we'll talk about Lawrence Beginnings as an intern herself, why she started Intering Queen, and how she created momentum for the site. We'll also discuss key, easy insights on how to stay organized, her time management advice, and getting into the mindset of method over mood. Hey Lauren, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast. Thanks for having me. I think this is going to be a great conversation

because I think my listeners are really interested in the stuff that you have to say. So to briefly introduce you to my audience, you are the founder of internqueen.com and careerqueen.com. You've written three books, you've spoken at over 50 conferences, and you had 15 internships during your college career. So very interesting career journey.

You know, you're a young entrepreneur, and one of the things that everybody asks in a job interview, one of the first questions that people get is, so tell me about yourself. So I figured that would be a great way to kick off the interview. Tell me about yourself. Absolutely, I think that be a great way to kick off the interview. Tell me about yourself. Absolutely, I think that's a great transition there. So like you said, I'm Lauren Berger, I'm the CEO and founder of internqueen.com and careerqueen.com, which are two websites that are totally free

for young people to go to and get great internship and career advice. I also started our IQ agency or intern queen agency, which is a full service college marketing agency where we specialize in connecting brands with Gen Z. So my life is college students in recent grads all day every day and I really made my living and my career helping people get from where they are to where they want to be and really excited to be here with you guys on the podcast today. Very cool. So like I mentioned earlier, you had 15 internships during your college career. Based on the research my team gave me so correct me if I'm wrong. Absolutely. So I did 15 internships when I was in college. I always have to follow that up with.

No one needs 15 internships. I definitely in college. I always have to follow that up with, no one needs 15 internships. I definitely recommend college students getting one to two internships under their belt before they graduate. But for me, I was really addicted to these experiences and they really helped me navigate what I did wanna do after college and also figure out what I did not wanna do.

Yeah, and so when you were in these internships, your goal wasn't really to get a job. Like you obviously only spent a few months there and then moved on to the next thing. So were you doing like a fall, spring, summer internship? How did you pack so many internships throughout your college career?

Exactly. I was doing internships in the fall spring and summer. Sometimes I was doubling and tripling them up. One summer, for example, I was going to school in Florida, but I flew out to Los Angeles for the summer to intern and I took on two internships. And then I realized that I had, I was doing like a Monday, Wednesday and a Tuesday, Thursday internship. And then MTV came along and said, well, we have an opportunity for you to intern with

us Friday, Saturday, and Sunday to do something with what was MTV radio at the time. So I said, great, sign me up. I think that internships now, the internships that my company and InteringWean are still part-time internships. They require 12 to 15 hours a week and they're paid. But a lot of companies, because so many companies have switched from unpaid to paid internship programs, a lot of companies are requiring longer hours than they used to. So whereas 10 plus years ago, it made sense to do three internships because no one was requiring

that much time. Nowadays, it probably wouldn't be as practical as it was back then. Yeah, I was just going to ask you, were you getting paid for these internships? Or really, was it just free work you just wanted the experience? I mean, I really wanted the experience. That's why I was there. I was always working a part-time job while I navigated my internships in school. But most of the internships that are paid now were not paid when I was in school. So Kudo, style of the students that are getting paid. Now, I think that's wonderful. But I was really doing it for the experience. Totally, and that's a point that I want to call out

for my listeners. Sometimes it's not about the money, sometimes it's about the experience. As many of you know, I worked at Hot 97 or Radio Station for free for three years, three whole years as an intern, you know, and so, and I worked almost like 30 hours a week sometimes, and that's probably highly illegal now,

but at the time it was normal. It was normal for people to work for free. You know, even at Young and Profiting podcasts, our interns typically work for free for a few months and then they get paid. Like there's still a certain amount of time that I expect people to work for free because I feel like it weeds people out

in terms of who's really motivated, who's there to learn, who really wants it versus who kind of just wants a check, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it is interesting again. A lot of the companies that I used to intern for that were unpaid are now paid. I think there's a lot more just oversight in general.

But I always tell a student, if you're choosing between a paid and an unpaid opportunity, like you said, it's not a question of the paycheck. You're gonna get the paycheck, and if you can't get a burial, get it somewhere else. But it's, you know, what does your gut say? Is this experience going to help you figure out and essentially save you time and get you a bigger paycheck down the line? And if the answer is yes, then it might be worth your time. You have to evaluate that. But if the answer is no, then you can say no, and that's okay. I think that sometimes that intern queen,

I spend a lot of time telling people to say yes to opportunities, because if you don't say yes, a lot of these magical moments won't happen. And then conversely, I spend a lot of time telling people to say no, because well, you do want to say yes to the right opportunities with so much noise and distraction and events and all the things going on, you do have to be really selective in terms of how you spend your time.

So it's really a matter of thinking, okay, is this a yes opportunity or is this a no opportunity? Because we do all have to guard our time because it's time is the most valuable thing we have. So it is this sort of like precious balance that we're all working between our, or no working, a precious balance that we're all working between our, or not working, a precious balance that we're all walking between our yeses and our noes. I totally agree. So in terms of these 15 internships where they all very different or were they all in media, was it something that you did enable to know what you wanted to do in life and how you wanted to spend your time? So I did most of my internships around either media, marketing,

entertainment, PR, and journalism. I would say those were kind of like the five things that I was really interested in. And I think they're all sort of connected in one way or another. If you have a PR job, you have to be a great writer. If you've did a media job, usually requires a knowledge of PR skills. So they'll kind of feed into one another.

But each internship that I got was in those fields and sort of taught me a little bit more about that specific industry. And I would do some internships and think like, yes, that's it, that's what I wanna do. And then I would do some internships and say, well, that was a great learning experience, that's not for me.

And I used all of these learnings about myself and what I like to do and what I didn't like to do to kind of sculpt myself as a businesswoman, and I still use so many of the skills I learned as an intern today as an entrepreneur. Yeah, you've probably got so many different skills and experiences. And we always talk about skill stacking on this podcast, meaning learn a little bit of everything and put them all together and you have unique value. You don't have to be the best, you know, marketer or the best PR person, but you have like just enough to be dangerous. So I think that's great.

I like that just enough to be dangerous. That's great. Yeah, that reminds me another piece of advice I give people along those same lines is, you don't have to be the best person in the room, right? You just have to be the best fit for the job. And the best candidate versus the best fit for the position are sometimes two different things.

I've interviewed people who are like the best candidate in the land, right? But frequently with those people, I'm like, why are you interviewing for this position? Like you clearly have achieved all the great things. Like is this really what you want to spend your time doing every day? Like did you read the job description?

So don't worry about the person that sits next to you. That's had the 15 internships. Like focus on the job description or the internship description. And if you have relevant experiences that correlate to what that company is looking for, don't get caught up in the, am I the best person in the world? Yeah, totally. I think that's great advice.

So let's talk about your first job. So after college, you landed your first job. And it was actually a very strict environment, so much so that you had to ask to go to the bathroom. It was that strict in terms of your time. Yeah. So at the time, did you realize that you were in such a strict environment? I mean, you had other work experiences.

So I think you, you, you might have known, right, that it was unusual, maybe to have to ask to go to the bathroom, right? And then did that trigger you to want to be an entrepreneur because you felt so kind of trapped in that job? So I think that I had all these internships, but as an intern, I think, yes, you learn a lot of different skills, but I think as an intern, especially when you're not working full-time hours, you're there and then you're not there and then you're there and then you're not there.

So, you're not necessarily being treated like a full-time employee would be. So when I made that transition into a full-time employee, I don't think I, I think I was moving so quickly to be honest that I don't know that I knew what to expect. I don't, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna be an assistant. But like, I don't know that I really took the time to think about like what that means. I was in a situation where the person that was training me had sort of already started their next thing.

So I was kind of trained on the fly. And I'm sure that I had the fake it till you make it mentality. And so I was pretending that I understood on the fly when I really didn't. So looking back the advice that I would give to people that are starting new jobs is like, a, write everything down, even the stuff that you think you're going to remember, write it down, like ask a lot of questions. And then if you feel like you're not adequately trained for your position, you know, ask for more training,

because it's easier to get the learnings then, then like three months in, realize that you don't know how to do certain things, right? And at that point, like, your boss doesn't even know what you don't know. So you really have to be vocal at the beginning, but again, it's hard. I always say, you don't know what you don't know.

So you can think you're great and then realize, uh-oh, am I not know what I'm doing here? And that was definitely the situation that I was in. I was at a talent agency and everybody around me was really passionate about reading movie scripts and then determining what talent should play those roles, right? Like, who should be the leading lady in the script? And that's a very cool thing. I have a lot of respect for everybody in that industry, but I, at the end of the day, realized that I didn't want to go home

on the weekends and at night and read movie scripts and think about who the best person to play the roles would be. Like, I wasn't connected to that in my heart. And so I remember feeling really jealous of my coworkers because they were really passionate about what they were doing. And they would like beg for more scripts to read over the weekend.

And I couldn't relate to what they wanted more of, but what I was jealous of was their passion for their work. And I remember thinking, I wanna be passionate about my work, and I want to want to move up in my career. But I, so I wanted something that I could connect with, and the thing that was always in the back of my head was this intern queen idea that I had senior year of college. And so after a lot of self-taught and confusion and talking to people that did not understand. I finally sort of had that entrepreneurial gut feeling that if I don't do something now I'm never going to do it and I ended up quitting and starting my own business.

That's amazing. Kudos to you for being an entrepreneur so young in life. I'm just now, I was an entrepreneur right out of college like you. I started a blog site. For three years, it was really popular. We almost got a show on MTV. We did more like hosting parties. Yeah, it was really crazy. Had a lot of ups and downs and we were like the sorority of hip hop and had a very big hip hop site and very popular in the New York tri-state area. But I shut it down because I couldn't monetize it. So I'm curious to know, you built these websites. Essentially, your business is based around

these websites that you have, internqueen.com, careerqueen.com, and being kind of like an engine, a search engine for internship opportunities from what I understand. Did you learn how to create websites like on your own? Did you go to YouTube school? Like, what'd you do to really get up to speed in terms of launching this business? So what you said is probably the biggest misconception, which I'll tell you more about intern queen. So when I totally agree with you that it is so hard to monetize a website, right?

Because you're basically what advertisers want is they want traffic and how do you get traffic? That's marketing and SEO and all these things, right? So when I started Intering Queen, the way that we were making money is through a very minimal amount of advertising on the website because we didn't have a lot of traffic because I started it and didn't have a lot of money

to invest, right? I also want to point out that Intering Queen has never taken on any investment money. And as you know, I feel like that's really important to point out because so many people think that you do have to have like a huge check written to you right to start your own business. So when I first started Interimpoint, I was like, how the heck am I going to monetize this and then be able to hire someone to build out this huge internship search engine, etc. So when I first started, we were monetizing the business through, again, advertisers on the site, which was minimal, speaking engagements was one of the first things that I started getting paid for because frankly, I didn't even need a website to do that,

right? It just was the Lauren show. I had a blog site on WordPress, and that was enough for that. And then, you know, I would get, I would say like every year, I would get like a cool endorsement deal that would just sort of be lucky, right? I'd get, I would say like every year, I would get like a cool endorsement deal that would just sort of be lucky, right? I'd get a LinkedIn note from someone or whoever. So I didn't need to make that much money. I just needed to be able to make sort of what I was making at the talent agency, which was like also pretty minimal

at the time to support like my rent, which in LA, it was not cheap, but I needed the basics to survive. So I started doing that, and I did that for the first two years of the business. We also started getting paid from companies that wanted to post their internships on our site, which we still do. Now, that is great and all, and so many people,

there's so many people out there that I, again, respect and admire who have smaller websites and drink queens a smaller site, I'm career queens a smaller site, and they're able to monetize off of personal appearances, endorsements, book, I have books out, things like that. That's a hard, it's a hard path. It's hard to control the brand endorsements. Again, I find that even now 13 years in, sometimes they come and sometimes they don't, right? Some years are hot and some years are not.

Web traffic is tricky because Google's always changing its algorithms, like it's a hard business to be in. And so what I did about two or three years into Intering Queen, which really revolutionized the way that I was making money was we started our college marketing agency, the IQ agency. And the website is IQagency.co for anyone listening. But basically I said, okay, what's my special sauce?

And my special sauce was our student community. We have a great relationship with so many young people from across the globe. That was our special sauce. Again, I'll try to be cautious of time and not get too far into my story, but I was watching American Idol one night, and I saw that the Ford Motor Company was sponsoring it.

And I thought, why is Ford sponsoring American Idol? Oh, because they must want to get in front of young people. Well, I have young people in my audience, maybe Ford wants to work with me. And so I literally called the Ford Motor Company after a year of back and forth because it did take a year. I don't want to sugarcoat that. I closed my first pretty large business deal with them and we started the Ford College Ambassador program powered by the interim queen. And that was sort of our first step into segwing the business into a college marketing agency.

So today, again, several years later, we have some of the biggest clients in the world. We just finished a program with T-Mobile. We work with Michael Kors with Bragg and Bo and across fashion beauty lifestyle, food, etc. And that's really how we make money at Interingwie. And again, a lot of people don't know that because our student facing website is what people know us for, but it's great because it's really taken the stress off of things like brand endorsements, which as you know, can be just difficult and then you end up working with brands that you don't love

because you need the money. It's just like, it's kind of a tough path, I think. So this marketing agency has been great because we can use the profits of that to fuel our free content. Because if you're gonna have free content, that takes time, energy and money, right? So it's been a really great business model.

And so I really encourage, I'm trying to, I want to make sure I sort of turn that into advice for the listener. So I guess the advice there is really think about what makes you special. Like what is your special sauce? And how can you potentially market and monetize that? And who are the people that would really care

and who really need what you have and again for us That's our students, right? So that's our that's kind of our story about how we monetize the business I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that and I can relate on so many levels like I said I had a website straight out of college. We were a very popular website I used to host parties alongside with Funkmaster Flex and DJ Camillo and all these huge, all these huge DJs. We were like, you know, super popular and I had a big following and I couldn't monetize it. It was so hard. I just couldn't figure it out. I was too young. I was too stupid and I didn't stick with it long enough.

Not stupid, not stupid. You are that is awesome what you did. You should be so proud of that. That is so cool. It's cool. It's cool. And I mean, I've done a lot of things since then that I'm really proud of. But I mad at myself sometimes. And I think even the girls that had the website with me because everybody was like, how could you shut this down?

We've got so much momentum. And everybody knows about us. And I was just like, you know what, we're not making any money. And I got to grow up now. I got to shut this down. And so sometimes I wonder, like, what would have happened if I pivoted, if I started something new, if we turned it into something else?

I probably would already be a super star by now, but it's okay, everything happens for you. I think so. You know, everything happens for a reason. And I really think that one of my mentors, who actually I was thankfully able to hire and now helps with operations at Interimquian. But she told me a couple years ago that I had a strong gut feeling. And I think that I used to think that whenever I had an instinct about something that

was an insecurity of mine, like, ooh, I have like, that feeling must be self-doubt or I'm being insecure about this decision and I was really hard on myself. And then Leslie, his her name and Leslie said to me, she's like, Lauren, that's not self-doubt, that's a gut instinct and you gotta use your gut and your gut is gonna steer you in the right direction. And it was such great advice.

And I really try to think about that today. Like, what is my gut telling me is the right or wrong thing to do? And I really try to listen to it. And it, what is my gut telling me is the right or wrong thing to do? And I really try to listen to it. And it sounds like, for whatever the reason was, right? Right or wrong, it was your gut that steered you in the direction and you followed it. And I think, you know, it is what it is.

And you probably end up where you're supposed to be. Exactly. And just the last thing I'll say on this, because it just gets me excited. I think when you lead with passion, you don't need to have your plan right away in terms of how you're going to monetize, how you're going to make it big. Even with this podcast, it started out as me investing into this podcast. I pivoted into starting a podcast marketing agency and we're already like this summer. We're already on track to make multi, you know, seven figures

next year. You know, already we're making multi seven figures next year. Already we're making multi-seven figures. That's huge, that's so cool. Yeah. Yeah, and it's because I was open to the opportunities around me, and I knew that maybe the podcast is not going to be the thing that makes money, but something around the podcast like our marketing. So I just want everybody to know that sometimes it's okay

to just lead with passion and see where it goes. All right, so let's talk about your latest book. That's what I wanna get into now. So your latest book is called Get It Together. Get it together, because don't we all need to get it together sometimes? Yeah, and so it came out in 2018 and you give a lot of actionable advice

in terms of how to build your schedule, self-care, maintaining your relationships, and so on. So one of the things that you first talk about in your book is the importance of loving yourself. So tell us about how you learned about self-love. Did you always love yourself? And at what point did you start, what changed you or impacted you where you realized you needed to start loving yourself more. That is such a good question and I'm not sure that I I'm not sure

that I even knew the answer to it. I think that what I what I realized so when when I was writing get it together I knew that I along with my readers all felt stressed. I knew I knew I knew a couple things in comment right we all felt stressed we all felt overwhelmed and we all felt knew we had a couple things in common, right? We all felt stressed. We all felt overwhelmed. And we all felt like we were so busy, but not necessarily getting things done at the end of the day. Like we'd work all day long or for college students.

Go to school all day long. Do all these different things. But at the end of the day, those calendar items weren't making me feel fulfilled. So I knew something was wrong. And so before writing, get it together, I just sort of journaled for a while and did like a bunch of in the book world, sometimes they call it word vomit of like, here's all the things that went wrong with my day. Like, here's what I'm

upset about. I'm upset about this. And this went wrong. And this went wrong. And it was work stuff, it was personal stuff. And I basically used all of that sort of word vomit to kind of structure the book because I said, if I'm dealing with this and I was trying to be as raw and vulnerable in what I was writing as possible, then I think the world is needing this also. And I think it was the, again,

I don't know if self love is the word, but I was putting so much pressure on myself to go everywhere, to be doing everything. And as an entrepreneur, I'm't know if self love is the word, but I was putting so much pressure on myself to go everywhere, to be doing everything. And as an entrepreneur, I'm sure you can relate. Like, there is this pressure, especially as a female entrepreneur to be written up with the cool girls, right? There's like, there's a couple cool,

entrepreneurs and you wanna be like featured with the cool girls and then you wanna meet this person and do this and like, and you put all these things on your calendar and then I think with friends and a personal life, there's a similar, like unspoken competition of like, did you do more today? Did you hang out with more people? Did you have five plans on a Sunday? Obviously, COVID, like COVID was like, we're going to shut down your entire life.

Right? So now everything's different. But yeah, I felt like there was just all of this pressure that we were all putting on ourselves. And I just felt like I was putting all this pressure on myself every day. And then I wasn't even happy looking in the mirror at the end of the day. I wasn't happy with what I was accomplishing. I wasn't.

I remember saying to my husband actually, we do all these fun things, but it doesn't even matter because we don't get to reflect on any of them. Like we're so busy doing the next fun thing. And you know, I'm super blessed. I have a great husband. We travel all the time. We used to travel all the time. We do all these cool things, but I said to him,

I don't even have time to process the things that we do because we're already doing the next thing. And again, whether that's work related or personal, or, you know, in our personal life, that's how I was feeling. So that's what I wanted to fix. And really kind of sorting through all the issues was what get it together allowed me to do again for myself, but also

for all the readers. And I tried to be again as Ron vulnerable as I could in writing it. Yeah, it was a fun read, I have to say. I was like kept reading and reading. So what's your what's your compass then, you know, we're all over committed. We all feel pressure from our friends and we end up not having time to go to the doctor or to take a break and do nothing, be bored. And also just have time to follow our dreams. You know, I had to definitely prioritize my life differently when I started this podcast

because I was focused on my dreams while my friends wanted to keep partying and this and that and I needed to get buckled down. So for you, what's your compass for saying yes, first no to an opportunity or to an activity? It is really hard. I mean, I try to prioritize, even as an entrepreneur and I know this surprises a lot of people, but I try to prioritize my family and friends first, like above work. I feel like that's really important to do. I had a baby in six months ago. She's six months old. And so I've been challenged to sort of get it together all over again, because now I have, you know, this new person that I need to try to prioritize as well. So, you know,

I try to prioritize friends and family first, but, does mean that the random friends that everybody has don't always get the time. And I've had personal friends say to me, like you're not calling me back enough, and I've had to say to them, like this is what I can give you right now, and that's it. I've also something that I've been challenged with and I'm sure your listeners and you can probably relate

is texting. People expect an instant response or even like a within two hour response. And if I'm working, me texting you is going to delay so much of my focus, right? Like me texting a friend back about plans for like next Saturday. If I do that in the middle of my work day, that's going to create such a distraction for me, right? It's going to. And then if they like, and then if they write me back, it's this whole thing. So I've really sort of tried to stop responding to text messages during the work day.

And I think we all think that like a text message needs an immediate response, especially if it's, you know, even if it's from important people, unless it's an emergency, I really just don't respond anymore. And I respond to them later when I'm done with work because again I'm giving them half responses. I've just realized I can't do three things at once, right? So I really try to give my energy to one thing at a time and I really try to look at everything that comes on my calendar and say and I needed for this and as a business owner I have there's eight people that work at intern queen full time. So it's not a hundred but you know know, it's eight people's a lot,

and we're a young business, so I'm very involved. And as a boss, I often have to say to myself, I know you want to be on that call, or in, but chill out. You can't be today, right? Like the world's not going to end. And so it is really hard to know, like, when to tighten the reins and then when to, like to let people do their thing. So I struggle with that a little bit,

but I've been trying to trust more and back up a little bit more, but it's always hard. And I would just say if you feel like there's a pattern and you're constantly, one day of frustration happens to everybody. But if a whole week goes by and you're frustrated every day and you don't think you have time for your kid or your husband or your friend or yourself, yourself, right, I think that's when you should try to look at your schedule and see what

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I'll stick to the link to my show notes. Happy podcasting. Yeah, I agree. And I think paying attention to the time that you waste. I think a lot of people watch mindless TV, a lot of people scroll mindlessly on social media. Social media is great if you use it with a purpose, you know, and I think a lot of people just use it and feel bad about themselves and get jealous

and just get, sometimes I sit there and I watch reels now. They're so entertaining, but it just waste your time. And so be careful with that, because it could just suck up your time. That could be your side hustle time. And you're just spending it on TikTok and reels. It's so silly. You nailed it.

And even like, you said, mindless TV. So I love some bachelor. I love some housewives. And I try to intentionally know, so you said, my list TV, so I love some bachelor, I love some housewives, and I try to intentionally make time on certain nights, right? Like Mondays, dancing with the stars night, right? Like, fro yo dancing with the stars, that's my jam, but like sometimes my husband will be like,

you were so excited to like take a break and disconnect and watch dancing with the stars, and you're scrolling on TikTok. Like you're not even enjoying your own thing that you set out to do. And this is supposed to be your break. And he's totally right. So I think what you're saying is so important.

Like, whether it's work or personal time, like put down your phone, stop scrolling. And I think some time away from our phones is what we all, whether we think we need it or not, you need it, you know? And I think just even for an hour, trying to put your phone away, like nothing, you know, the world isn't gonna fall apart, it's gonna be okay.

Yeah. So let's talk about organization and routines, because I know you talk about this a lot in your book too. So would you say that like naturally, you're a very organized person, or was it something that you really had to train yourself on? I would say I continue to have to train myself on being organized and I'm always experimenting with different things like for example and I know we're on video.

So the video folks can see this but the listeners cannot. But like right now I'll just describe it. But I have this like new kind of see it like to do a format. So it's like the to do the notes, the hours, and I've been using this every day. Or sometimes I'll do it, I usually do it like tonight. I'll make my little notepad set up for tomorrow and I'll write out the calls I have in the hour slots

and then I'll write out my to-do list items. And then I usually write next to the to-do list item. I'll write how many minutes or hours. I think that item is going to take and that really helps me. If I have a 10 minute gap, I look at my list and I'm like, okay, what's a 10-minute task rather than starting something and then having to, again, take a break and get distracted from it. But to answer your question, yes, I have to work on organization all the time. How about in terms of having a clean environment and being on time?

I think they go hand in hand actually because I think a lot of people are late because they can't find their keys or they didn't know what they were going to wear. They're not wearing. Yeah, so what's your advice on that? Because I think that's part of being a professional. Yeah, absolutely. So I think it's about knowing what you need. I think I talk about this in the book.

So for me, so for example, I'm at my parents' house right now. You guys, for those of you on video, we're in my dad's study right now. So like I'm in Florida for a month over the holidays with my family. And so every room is not my office set up, right? Like it is at my house in California. So here, I think it's just knowing what you need.

So like what I need to be productive and feel good about my day is I need my computer, I need my phone, I need my AirPods, I need an ice coffee, and because I'm at my parent's house, I need a coaster under the ice coffee, and I need a charger, right? And I need my, the notepad I showed you in a pen. And like those are my things that I need to have to feel organized and like I'm in control of my day. If I didn't have the notepad, I would feel like something's off. So I think it's a matter of like knowing what you need to be productive.

Like I am one of the people like I have my AirPods in and I listen to like loud music blasting and like I get into the zone when I write my book, same thing. Other people, they want, they need quiet. So I think it's like knowing what you need and making sure that wherever you're working that day, because right now people are having to be really flexible

and I'm adaptable. It's just knowing how to set up your space. And then what you're talking about with being on time, I think a lot of that is just, it's really old preparation, right? It's thinking ahead, it's thinking about where you're gonna be, what you're gonna be doing in the whole situation.

And a lot of that is just looking ahead. We use Asana at intern queen, which is a task management tool. And it's really easy to just sort your tasks by the due date and to do your things for today, right? And I really challenge my team to always look at tomorrow. Look at the next day, like, don't just look at the task that's due today. Like try to challenge yourself.

Can you get three days ahead? So it's looking ahead and just knowing what you're gonna need to set yourself up for success. Yeah, totally. And I think it's also realizing your personality. If so for me, I'm pretty carefree. And so I think I always have all the time in the world because I'm very positive, I'm very ambitious, I'm pretty carefree. And so I think I always have all the time in the world because I'm very positive, I'm very ambitious,

I'm very motivated. And so I always think, oh, I have all this time in the world and I'm always running. I was even 15 and learning to sleep to this interview. And it's not that I'm not working hard. It's just that my personality, it's very hard for me to think I don't have enough time. I'm always positive thinking I have enough time.

So I think it's also about thinking about your personality and who you are and then putting some boundaries and rules around yourself. Cool. So you have a very fun story in your book. You talk about being a young entrepreneur and not having the motivation to get dressed in the morning. So now, you know, because you're not going to be in a hoodie today. Yeah, you're not a hoodie today. But like, you know, you, you were a young entrepreneur, you were used to going into the office and you didn't have to go to the office anymore. So you had trouble waking up early and you had trouble getting dressed. Oh my gosh. And I think I know I was wondering what story you're going to reference. And I think in the story you're talking about, I talk about my husband, right? And how he had it all together. And I would copy him. Exactly, exactly. So now everyone's in this situation. We're in COVID. We're all working from home.

A lot of us are working from home. And even me, myself, I love to get dressed up. But sometimes I just don't feel like it. I feel like no one's going to see me. I don't necessarily have to turn my zoom on in the meeting. And I feel like being in my PJs all day. But what's your perspective on that? Is that healthy? Or like, why did you decide that you were gonna get dressed every day no matter what? Yeah, so when I first started my own business, because I came from such a rigid, structured environment

at my first job out of college, the idea that no one cared where I was all day was confusing, it was kind of scary. I mean, you go from college, where it is, yeah, you're on your own, but it's structured. You have classes, you have your schedule, people are checking it on you, you have your roommates, to again, a job where it was really, again, rigid, disciplined environment,

there was a dress code, all kinds of things. And now I go to like nothing, like no one cares where I am all day. It's all on me. And so learning self-discipline was really hard. I assume that a lot of college students are dealing with that right now with virtual school. And I actually think that skill is going to really pay off in the future. And a lot of executives that are learning how to work from home and be flexible. I had to learn that very early on. So for me, it was really difficult to wake up, to not stare at my bed and want to go back in it. And luckily, I was dating at the time. Now he's my husband, but I was dating an entrepreneur

who had been running his own business with a business partner for many years. And so I would watch what they did. And it was almost like he was my teacher, right? And I remember they would have morning conference calls so I would be like, oh, I'll have a conference call with myself, all right? And then it was with my first team members, but I was really lucky to have that sort of guide

to show me how to structure your day when no one's gonna structure it for you. That was really hard. I did go, I've gone through many phases with the whole like getting dressed for work and and looking super professional. I would say nowadays, I'll really only get like dressed. I would say like not, I feel like the hoodie is like work from home gear, right? I would say, and when we have like client kick calls, or if we have last week, I did five evening presentations where I did these big panel speaking events.

Of course, then, you know, you put on the makeup, you get dressed up and whatnot. But I feel like right now, as long as I'm not working in what I've slept in, I feel like it's fine. As long as you look presentable, as long as you can get on the Zoom. As long as you look somewhat well groomed,

I think having kind of, again, your hoodie, a hoodie and bike shorts has been like my go-to after pregnancy and being on Chappernore look. So yeah, so I think my, and I think it's interesting, not having, I do think there's this, I don't know if you wanna call it a trend right now, I mean on Instagram, right? That like, you don't necessarily have to look perfect all the time.

And that's a hard thing to kind of, I think, wrap your head around because I always felt like I had to be like perfect and on and look like my newscaster self, you know, at all times. And now I think people are kind of cutting one another a lot more slack for a variety of reasons. But yeah, so I think now try to not work It try to not work in what you slept in just so you feel like you're transitioning from personal time to work time But otherwise I think be be comfortable and of course if you're doing a job interview or something like that, you know dress it up Yeah, totally like he said be comfortable be clean

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It's called mood over method. I actually had Seth go in on the show a couple weeks ago and we talked about something a pretty similar. He talks about being a professional in his book when it comes to creative work and when you're creative, you have to be creative no matter your mood. And that's what being a professional is. It's doing your work, which you have to do no matter your mood. And so he was saying, there's no such thing as writer's block, for example. Like that's totally an excuse that writers say because they're not in the mood to write

when really it's their job to write. And so they need to embrace the process, know their process and be professional. So tell us about your mood over method. I think it really relates to all of this and break that down for us. Yeah, I mean, again, I think the example that I give in my book for this is the typical everybody, like I feel like at night, we're all so ambitious, right? We're like, we're going to get up tomorrow morning at 5 a.m. and then we're going to do workout and then we're going to do this. And then like, it's 5 a.m. and you we're gonna do workout and then we're gonna do this and then like it's 5 a.m. and you're like heck no, snooze, snooze, snooze, snooze, snooze, right? And that's an example of like

you had a strategy but instead of going with the strategy you decided to go with your mood, right? You're feeling that you were tired, that you were sleepy and again not to say that that's right or wrong but you didn't quite go with your plan, right? So I think it's really important to try to be consistent and really follow through on whatever that plan is. And also know yourself, like I've really tried to stop making over ambitious like I've tried to stop making plans that I know I'm not going to do, right? Like stop writing 100 things on your to-do list when you know you're only going to get to the top five. Because at the end of the day, you're the one feeling frustrated with yourself when actually going into it, you already knew you

weren't going to accomplish all these things, right? And I think that's a hard thing for all of us to work on. So I recommend really trying to stick with the strategy and not the I'm tired and sleepy. I'm in a bad mood. I don't want to go anymore like no, you said you were going to go to this event. You RSVP'd for it. Clearly you had a thought process there. So don't not go to the event because your friend called or your board or your sleepy or you want to watch Dancing with the Stars right or whatever it is.

So really try to go with that mindset over your mood, and I think that'll help everybody get it together. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think it's important for for you to keep commitments with yourself. And a lot of times it's easier to say, oh, it's just, you know, it's just a date with myself with a gym. Who cares? But it's your health. It matters. And just because your friend, you didn't make plans at your friend to meet you at the gym, doesn't mean you don't have to go. And I never heard anybody who regretted going to the gym after they went. Nobody ever regrets it.

You know? And so it's like, I think my best advice for people who have trouble starting, I have a lot of people who ask me, I can never finish anything. I never get my work done. I can never focus. Do it for 10 minutes. Do it for 10 minutes. Start it for 10 minutes. Right, I think that's a great point.

Yeah, it's like once you start, you know, you're halfway there, you get it done, you know, but if you just never start, that's where the trouble begins and if you never keep your own commitments, that's when you become unsuccessful. Everybody who's successful keeps their own personal commitments, whether that's on their to-do list, whether that's their health, they keep their own commitments. And so I think that's one of the secrets of success, honestly, is keeping your own personal. I totally agree.

Okay, so last item from your book, we're running out of time here and then I'm going to close this out. Let's talk about rejection. I've been rejected so many times in my life. I'm sure everybody deals with rejection, no matter how talented you are, no matter, you know, actually the more talented you are, probably the more opportunities you're going to get and the more rejection you're going to face because you've got more opportunities. So I myself have been a victim of rejection.

You tell this really cool story in your book about a sponsor basically dropping you, they used to sponsor all your events and then one year they decided that they no longer wanted to work with the intern queen. And it crashed you. But you took it in a really professional way and you handled it really well and I have learned the hard way about rejection and handling it really badly. So tell me about how you handled it well and the advice that you can give to people when they get that rejection note and how they should approach it.

Yeah, so if I remember that story correctly, I'm thinking, I wonder if I said it the exact same way in the book, I got the email and you know, it's really hard. Just tell it from your heart, it doesn't matter. I know, I'm sure it's stuck in your brain. It's hard when you have a lot going on in your day and then everybody deals with this

and then you get rejected in the middle of your day So what I really tried to do was I got this email and it hurt and some rejections don't hurt But some emails do and this was an email that definitely hurt right like I was emotionally attached to this email So I got this email that this company big company didn't want to work with me anymore and we had You know they always say don't take things personally as an entrepreneur. And that's easy to say and hard to do because you do. I find even now so many years and I find that I'm still investing so much in myself to do a great job for the relationships that I create. So I create a relationship

with an executive. I try to do it so well. So then when they take the opportunity away, you feel like it is personal. So I had a really busy day that day. So instead, I think I even started drafting a couple of responses that were a little bit knee jerk, maybe had a little bit of sass in the tone. And then I was like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do that.

And I went back to my, I sort of had like, let's put it in a box mentality. And then I went back to my to-do list. I did a bunch of other things. I've learned that when I get rejected, one of the things that makes me feel better is accomplishing something else.

No matter how small, just like the act of doing something else is really helpful. So I did a couple of other things, sort of took a deep breath. And I think it was maybe like two or three days later, I went back to the email, sort of took a deep breath. I didn't feel as connected to it. I didn't feel as fired up right as sometimes we all do the day we get those kinds of emails. And I really just

had like the old school kill them with kindness mentality of like it's a long career even though we're not working together now. It doesn't mean we, you know, we might work together in six years right, whether it's at this company or maybe this executive is at a different company, and I just tried to write back a really kind response. And so that's how I handled it. But I think that a piece of advice that I give in my speeches and presentations is no doesn't mean never, it just means not right now.

And something that's been really a hard lesson for me to learn as an entrepreneur is that you meet an executive. You sell them, you pitch them, you get them to say yes. And then in your mind, again, especially I think us entrepreneurs do this, you put these people. So let's say like Sarah Smith works for Duncan, right? And Duncan is actually the dynamite, but let's say Sarah Smith is a big person. Sarah Smith says yes to a deal, right? I've now in my heart put Sarah Smith on this pedestal. In my mind, Sarah Smith is a yes person.

She loves me and everything I do. Two years later, Sarah Smith says no. And now, as an entrepreneur, I'm like, I'm shocked. I don't know what to do. Sarah Smith was a yes person and now there are no person. And so that's been really hard. And I think it's an important thing to note, is that just because someone,

not to be negative and be Debbie Downer here, but you do need to realize that the people that say yes to you might come back and say no for other things, and you need to be ready and prepared and have sort of that thick skin developed to deal with that, because it can be really challenging when the people that say yes come back to you as later in saying no, and I've dealt with that a lot. So again something that's helped me is moving on to the next thing on

it to do list, stepping away from it, giving it some air, giving yourself some space and then writing back a kind email. And if you need to challenge the response and ask for feedback, that's fair as well. Yeah, I totally agree. I think the best piece of advice is never right. Never send anything that's written when you're mad. I got fired from hot and any seven. I was an unpaid intern. I still got fired, quote unquote, because I was like, you know,

this glorified intern that worked there. And it was because I didn't get this job that I wanted as an assistant producer after working for free for three years. And I wrote a really nasty text to the guy who did get it, and he showed it to Angie Martinez, who was the host of the show. And so I got fired for that.

I ended up fixing my bridges after that, but it was one of the biggest lessons that I had to learn the hard way, because I wrote something really mean and sent it as soon as I felt really bad. And you'll always look at things differently a couple days later when you cool down and whether it's your personal relationships

or professional relationships, you wanna just calm down before you say anything that cause your words stick with you forever and it can really hurt your reputation. Okay, so last question, the last question I ask all my guests is what is your secret to profiting in life? I think that it's really been prioritizing personal things above work.

And even for entrepreneurs, it's easy to say work, work, work, work, right? And I see a lot of my friends that have corporate jobs saying work, work, work, work, work. But at the end of the day, we only have so much control over our work. You know, if you have a bus, when you get, I mean, we saw with COVID, there were so many people that thought they had these jobs forever that were, you know, laid off out of nowhere. And so I just think it's so important to have, to have special, unique relationships that you, you know,

to some extent, control, right? So I think prioritizing, for me, it's family and friends, for other people, it's religion or whatever it might be. But for me, it's family and friends, for other people, it's religion or whatever it might be. But for me, it's prioritizing family and friends first, putting the majority of my time and energy there. And that way, I still, if my work, I'm still passionate about it, but when work isn't

going my way, and it's a constant roller coaster, it's not like this all the time, right? It's not all the way up all the time. I think that's been really helpful and it gives me a lot of personal satisfaction at the end of the day. Cool, well, I think you've covered a lot of ground here. We had a great conversation. Thank you so much for coming on Young and Profiting Podcast.

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