Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Marietta Gentles Crawford: Tell Your Brand Story and Transform Your Career | E79

Episode Date: September 8, 2020

Becoming a master at the art of self-promotion and personal branding is key to stand out and make a good impression.   Snap judgements are made very quickly in the world we live in, so your personal brand is more important than ever! How do you show up? What do people say about you when you aren’t in the room?    Today, we are talking with Marietta Gentles Crawford, a personal branding strategist, author, and coach. Marietta worked for Fortune 500 companies for over 15 years before becoming an entrepreneur to help small businesses and freelancers build a personality-driven brand.   Tune in to hear all about Marietta’s bad work experiences and how they helped her become a career change expert, and learn the importance of your brand story and how to create one keeping her WIFM (What’s in it For Me) principle in mind.    Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at [e-mail] Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com   3:31 - Marietta’s Background and Expertise 5:08 - Imposter Syndrome & Confidence 9:35 - Work Breakdown and Learnings 17:10 - How to Make a Career Change  19:16 - Questions to Ask When Self-Assessing 21:32 - How to Move Forward with a Plan 23:34 - SMART Goals 25:30 - Toxic Thoughts and the Importance of a Good Mindset 27:20 - Importance of Brand Story and How to Develop it  32:11 - WIFM, or ‘What’s in it For Me?’ 36:35 - How to be More Likable  39:14 - Common Myths about Authenticity 41:21 - Confidence vs. Arrogance 43:36 - How to Share Your Opinions 46:40 - 80% Building Relationships, 20% Building a Personal Brand 48:48 - Marietta’s Secret to Profiting in Life   Marietta’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Thrive-Building-Personal-Elevating-ebook/dp/B0722NT5NZ Marietta’s Website: www.maribrandsforyou.com Marietta’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariettagentlescrawford/   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Marietta Crawford, a personal branding strategist, author and coach. Marietta worked for Fortune 500 companies as a writer for over 15 years before becoming an entrepreneur to help small businesses and freelancers build a personality-driven brand. She's also the author of From 9 to Thrive, a guide to building your personal brand and elevating your career. A book that's been a go-to career guide for both entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs. Tune into this episode to hear all about Marietta's

bad work experiences and how they helped her become a career change expert and learn the importance of your brand story and how to create one keeping her WIFM, what's in it for me, principal and mind. one keeping her WIFM, what's in it for me, principal and mind. Hi, Marietta, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast. Hi, how are so glad to be with you here today. So I'm gonna get straight down to business.

You are the author of, from nine to thrive, a guide to building your personal brand and elevating your career. And it's a personal branding book that's been a go-to career guide for both entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs. So for all of our listeners out there listening who might not know who you are, could you tell us just a little bit about your experiences that make you an expert in this space in terms of personal branding and helping people land their dream jobs. For OK, perfect.

Well, I actually started as an entrepreneur within multiple companies. And when I started my career, I was very ambitious. I was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. And then I would be in a role. And I'm just like, oh, you know what? I would be these are underpaid. I was in a toxic work environment. I felt I deserved more.

So whatever the case was, I often switch careers. I transitioned a lot. And while I was transitioning for different roles, I realized that I had this strength, especially in interviewing. At first, it was just like, okay, how do I hop into a new role? How do I present myself for a different position? I've worked with finance, government agencies, healthcare, retail, all over.

And I found that it was my personal brand and being able to learn how to communicate my strengths. So that's actually how I started my business and evolved from there. And then we started using LinkedIn to build my brand and then also helping entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs do the same thing. Very cool. And so this was your first book, right? Yes. Okay. And so when you are writing this book, did you feel like a level of imposter syndrome because you know you have a super polished personal brand. You have excellent content. Your articles are great.

You've written for very high level publications. But at the end of the day, you've got a smaller following than other people who are in your space. So when you set out on this mission to write this book, did you feel any level of imposter syndrome? And how did you get over that? Oh, I love this question, Hala, because I always say, in a way, yes,

because even though I was confident in my skills and I'm confident, especially in putting it all together based on my experiences, I'm a trained digital brand strategist, I've not only do it for as something I was comfortable doing, but also make sure I trained under best, which was William Aruda. He has this whole community of recertifications. But at the same time, I also had this confidence where I just felt like I wanted to put a very

honest outlook of what it looks like to change careers and to build your brand. And I think like most of my imposter syndrome or just a little bit of like insecurity actually came from being very vulnerable. I heard experiences that I'm not necessarily proud of, you know, where I'd like maybe went off on a coworker who was making $20,000 more to me and it's so funny because I tell that story all the time. And just doing things that maybe doesn't seem perfect when people think about building your brand and elevating your career,

but I wanted to show a different side because a lot of times when people think about branding, they think about perfection. As far as not having the big following what I was doing it, or even now, as far as numbers, I never really focus on that, to be honest, because even with LinkedIn, and that's something that that's my main branding platform

and where I help people as well, I feel like followers are great. Obviously, it shows a good amount of reach, but at the end of the day, I always feel like it's about quality. And sometimes, it really is about who is connecting to what your message, and that may not be everyone.

So, as far like the numbers, I always say it's about quality as well and making sure that people, the people that you need to reach your message, cares your message. So with the book, it didn't really bother me as much because honestly, I knew that I had a message that someone was gonna connect with and that was the most important thing.

Yeah, okay, you remind me a lot of myself because I expected you to be like, yeah, I definitely had imposters in Drowm, it was so hard and I did exo-izerate a Ken over it. But you're like, you just like Arnai even, you're just like, I'm just gonna do it. There's what anybody else thinks

and you just kinda just went out and did it and you believed in yourself. And really, that's amazing. That's a really rare quality to have. Most people, if they didn't have, a Harvard degree or a doctorate in front of their name or whatever it is, they might not go after it. And you ended up writing a really, really great book

that a lot of people love. So Kudos to you. Thank you, Hala. And honestly, that book that I wrote was a couple of years ago. And I still get people that are actively purchasing that book. And I'm so glad that you brought it up in that sense of numbers and following,

because at first, when you think about publishing a book, everybody wants to say that they're the number one best seller and all these things and these hacks. And I really was going to go that route because I'm also competitive and I'm like, yeah, but then I just found myself getting really burnt out. And I was just like, you know what? I want to do it my way.

And I really wanted to be a quality book for the long haul, not just necessarily all this hype in the beginning. And like I said, a couple of years later, I still see I get those notifications that, you know, someone is purchased and I get my royalty, I, you know, not sit in rich and buying a guy, but I get people just saying how it's changed them, help them grow their careers, make more money and that makes me feel good more than anything.

Yeah, I loved it because it was really funny, like, when I was reading the book, I was expecting something like really serious and it was just like full of jokes, so it was really funny when I was reading the book. I was expecting something really serious and it was just full of jokes. It was really well written, probably because you are a writer, right? And you would be doing this for 12. Yeah. So, you know what you're doing in terms of engaging an audience with your writing.

So let's talk about you and your experiences. You touched on it just a little bit ago that you told off somebody who was making a lot more money that you told off somebody who's making a lot more money than you at work. From our research, I've learned that you've had a lot of bad work experiences. You've changed jobs more than you'd like, and you've had a breakdown at work before, and not a QC one, a really tense situation where you didn't bite your tongue, you didn't hold anything back. So tell us about this breakdown at work. I think you had more than

one, but tell us about the one that you think you think the most entertaining and what you learned from it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, this is all I'm an entrepreneur now because obviously I didn't do well working with people working in within companies at that time. I'm a full now, but that situation was very interesting because when I was working as an employee, I was very ambitious. As I am now as an entrepreneur, and it was one of those high-tenth situations where I was working for a city agency where we were doing trainings. And it's the gift of being like, good at what you do. The reward is getting more work, you know? So we were doing some new hired training. I was training maybe like every

single day nine to five. I'm thinking about everything. I want to see my my my they were customer service reps or call center. And I wanted to see them succeed. And then there was like another person and it's so funny because he must hate me. But he was like there for a while and he was okay, but he didn't have the same workload that I had. So it was one of those days where it was towards the end of the training and I was trying to be super woman, right? So I'm like, okay, I got this. I'm tired. I'm burnt out. I want someone to say, Hey, Mary, you look tired. You've been training all week. Can we relieve you and no one said that? No one cared in my eyes, right? So it was just like that moment of being really tired. And then I look over to my team. They were like in this open area like called a bullpen. And I see them like giggling, laughing. And in my head, it's kind of like when you watch a sitcom

and like you see like, you know, this whole alternate vision of what you think people are doing versus the reality. And in my head, I'm just like, they get to have fun and I don't have, I'm not having fun. This is not fun. I think they're going to work. And I somehow went over to the area and he was reading a newspaper. So he was literally at his desk, legs crossed and reading a newspaper and just like chilling. And at that moment, I just really turned red and rage. And I was just like, everybody's, you know, I'm here working so hard. And here it

is. You're making $20,000 more because I knew how much money he was making. And you're sitting here reading a newspaper. And it was one of those moments that I wasn't proud of my BFF now. I just knew her at that moment. And I remember she was, she still makes fun of me because I kind of stormed off dramatically afterwards.

And she was like, bye, Marietta. And I just looked at her, I was like, so it was not the best reaction, obviously. But the lesson that I learned in it is that I had to be, when you think about your brand and you think about your reputation, you also wanna make sure that it is consistent with who you are, right? Because people who know me knows that I'm not, they knew that I was a good person, they knew that I was a hard worker,

but in that moment, it wasn't a good reflection. So it was one of those things where you also have to learn to measure how you react to something and maybe not do it in the moment if you wanna have a positive impact. Yeah, I can totally read that. I got fired from my first job at hot 97 because I sent somebody a really nasty text

that I was going to work that day. I was so young. I was still in college. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. But I wrote to him like, I'm not going to work today. You can learn how to do it on your own. Something really nasty and I got fired from that. So I totally

know what it's like to just be angry and to say something before you even really think about it. and I got fired from that. So I totally know what it's like to just be angry and to say something before you even really think about it. And it's really important to stop, think about it, sleep on it, and don't say anything when you're angry. That's one of the biggest lessons I've ever learned in my life is to just not write anything down when you're angry.

I think it's safer to even have a conversation than write an email or text or something when you're angry, because those things can get circulated and then you're cooked. Yeah. So you learned from that, what do you do now so that you make sure that you don't kind of blow up

in the order to maintain your personal brand? Well, it's different now, because as someone who is a business owner, I wanna make sure that it's all about my clients at this point. So the key now really is not taking it personal, right? You don't want to take anything to heart where you feel like it is about you. You always want to take that step back and say, okay, well, maybe it's about me, you know,

first of all, sometimes things are like a mirror. And it's like, what could I have done better taking that type of accountability? I think what I do now is I always think about my name, my reputation. And when you talk about personal branding, it's like what people say about you when you're not in the room. So I really am very conscious of that,

because I remember, one time I was doing some coaching with a client and we had a really rough start. I'm very meticulous with how I send emails and we accommodated her actually on the weekend for her schedule. It was a Sunday, we're doing a session and she didn't follow the instructions. I was waiting for maybe 15 minutes on the call and she didn't. So finally I sent an email to her and I'm like, hey, I'm waiting for you, what's going on.

So when she did finally get into the call, it was tense, like, I'm usually a very upbeat person and, you know, good energy. And it's not that I had that energy, maybe I did, but I wasn't just going to be like, hey, and reward behavior that obviously she wasn't, you know, doing what she needed to do. So she sensed that and she was like, well, maybe we need to reschedule because it sounds like you have an attitude.

And at first, like, my literally, how are my heart is beating very fast. Because I'm just like, you have the audacity to call me out. But then I had to just say, you know what, we're gonna get through this. I need to maintain my name. I know that she's probably feeling bad about it. And I said, no, we're fine.

And long story short, we went on with the session. We had an amazing session. And towards the end, she apologized. And she was just like, you know what, I messed up. I didn't read Dean Sharksons. And she was just like, thank you. So being really conscious of your name and making sure that even if you're feeling some type of way,

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It reminds me of that headline test that everybody always says, if you read what you did in one sentence in a headline in newspaper, like, would you be proud of it? Or, you know, and you test the waters that way. Like, if I wouldn't be proud of being positioned this way in a headline in a newspaper, don't do it, right? Yeah. I think I was a jacked up of you, though, Halla, right?

Like, if you, if sometimes you can ease tensions just by like not getting defensive, but people mirror that as well. So I think that's being aware of that can even change a dynamic before it even gets at that point. That's so true. Just having that aura that like you're not pissed off and calming yourself down, people will feel that and will kind of reciprocate. I totally, totally agree with that. So all of these different work experiences and having to find new jobs periodically, that really actually helped you to master the activity of landing a new career, right? So if somebody listening out there is looking to make a career change,

what is the first thing that you would tell them to do? I would say take an assessment of your personal brand. And let's say we strip the word personal brand because I know not everyone loves the word or can connect with it. But I would say take a look at what you're good at, right? What are your strengths? And ask yourself what do people say over and over about you that are qualities that are good. And usually those are your personal brand attributes. So when someone's trying to transition into a role, a lot of times they focus on skills, right? So they'll say like, I'm detail oriented,

proven track record, team player, like all of these words that are like fundamental skills that at the end of the day, you should be these things, right? So when you think about like someone who wants to transition, you wanna think about attributes that are like very specific to you. Is it your humor? Is it your loyalty?

Is it your people purse a champion? Those are attributes that really beyond all of the skills, they make you stand out as someone differently. So then I would say at that point, think about what is transferable. So people sometimes will think, well, they look in the idea, they look from the concept of titles, right?

So don't look at your title. So for example, if you are a program coordinator you're thinking okay and you want to go into a role of event management. You may think well I'm a program coordinator so I'm looking my box here is just program coordinator but you want to follow skills you want to think about what are the skills that you have that beyond a title can be transferred anywhere and then once you identify those skills you want to think about what are the skills that you have that beyond a title can be transferred anywhere. And then once you identify those skills, you want to be comfortable communicating them

so that it's not just a box that you're put in, you're put in for yourself more than anything, because you're thinking in terms of titles. I think that's really great advice. And so what are some of the questions that we should ask ourselves as we start to self-assess what kind of skills and attributes that we have? What do you do better than anyone else, right? So that's a, that's like a real ego question. Like what do I do better than anybody else? But like what is it that you do that you you're always complemented from by from your your co-workers, your your your managers, you know, is it that you're that type of person who is such a connector that you can pick up the phone and somebody will do something for you very well, right? Are you the type of person

that so organized that you can really plan in a way that's different from someone. Because those are important too. And then I would say, I was another question to ask is, for everybody that does the same thing that you do, what makes you a little bit different from them. Because often, like for example, I was doing a training with engineers. And as engineers, they were all, you know, I said, how many of you guys are analytical? Raise your hands. Guess who raised their hands?

All of them, right? Because engineers are very analytical. And I ran down a couple of other skills. So I said, if everyone has those same skills, in your competing with those people, you need to pull out what's different. So for example, if you're an engineer, people may say, okay, you're really quiet. That means that you're used to working alone.

If you're someone who has great interpersonal skills and you love working with other people, that's what you want to focus on. So it's not only focusing on like skills and what you're good at, but compared to everyone else that in your industry or other candidates, what do you do that you know that they can't do but is well sought after? Really, really, really great advice.

I love that. So basically you're saying first thing to do is to take a self assessment and start to figure out like what makes you unique, what are the skills that make you unique, what are the transferable skills that doesn't really lock you in a box in terms of the title that you currently have, that you can then go out and try to find a new opportunity, whether that's in a new industry, whether that's a new career title, really great. So what else do we do? Do you suggest that we have a plan or do we just kind of hit the ground running with our

new resume and just go for it? You do have a plan. You do have a plan. do we just kind of hit the ground running with our new resume and just like go for it. You do have a plan. I'm all about planning, right? So a lot of times when someone is looking, especially now, like we're living, we're in times where, you know, the economy, some people may think, okay, this is, you know, maybe voluntarily looking for a new role, maybe it's not because for their own choice, they're thrust into the situation. A plan is always good because you want to be strategic with your time.

So sometimes people will think, okay, well, if I'm looking for a job, I'm just gonna apply to every single thing, right? And it's like, at this point, that doesn't serve you any well. That's not gonna serve you good. So the plan would be to really focus on what are you going to do? So like you just like we talked about, you're assessing your personal brand. And then you want to make a plan to update your resume, update your

LinkedIn profile and make sure that it's all a cohesive brand, right? Because you don't want to start looking out here and there and then someone is checking out your LinkedIn profile and it's not consistent with what you're trying to do. So making sure everything is in order first before you start looking out for jobs because people look at your length and people are looking at all these things and checking you out first. And then I would say tell anybody and everybody that you're looking for a new role. Because a lot of times it's not only by, you know, applying for something that you see there, a lot of opportunities are from a word of mouth. So letting people know what you're looking for exactly, don't make them even have to think about what you're looking for. You tell them, right? And then once you do have that together, then you

start targeting these opportunities and being prepared for when someone calls to be able to describe why you should be that person that is for that second interview or that virtual video interview, however it's going on right now. Yeah. In your book, you mentioned something called Smart Goals. A lot of people have heard about this, but in case they haven't, what's a smart goal? A smart goal is very smart. And it stands for specific, meaning so again, you want to be very specific about what you're looking for. So it's not about, I want a new job now,

I want to change my career now, I want to start a new business or a side-hast hustle now. It's okay, I have 60-day, 90, 90 day plan just to your point, how long you said you have a plan or do you wing it. It's like, here's my schedule for the next 60 days. This is what I want to do. And my goal is to look for a new opportunity where I can transition my career where I feel good again, right? And you want to have it be measurable. So M is for measurable. So measurable meaning, again, the time frame that you're looking for, even if you have to adjust it,

that's fine. And then you want it to be attainable. So something that, so if you're saying, for example, if the reason why someone wants to transition roles is because they want to make more money, I'm saying that you want to make 100,000 more may not be attainable within 69. It could be more power to them, but maybe not. So you want to be there.

And then that's where you have realistic. So you want to be realistic with what the R is for realistic, with what you can do, what you're able to do. And then the timetable is the timeframe that we're talking about, whether it's 60, 90 days. So it's a good way to make sure that you have a concrete plan. One of the things with smart goals is that, again, you can adjust, like, so just because you put a goal together,

you know, as you're going through the process, you may need to go back, start all over again, or tweak your goals. But at least if you have a starting foundation, you can feel confident about what your next steps are. I think that's really good. So one of the things that I feel that really holds people back from making a transition

is because they're mentally not ready and they've got toxic thoughts. And there's really a mindset shift that needs to happen. Could you tell us a little bit about that? Yes, and I do have a chapter in there that talks about these toxic thoughts. Often, the biggest obstacle in our ways can be ourselves. That little person on your brain is like, who's going to hire you at this point? Are you really as good as the next person?

And it's horrible because we can almost be our own worst enemy at times and stop us. So when you have those toxic bullets, it's really a matter of really questioning, where is it coming from, especially if you're trying to transition your career at a time where maybe you've been at your job for 10 plus years. That's all you know.

And the fact that there's a part of you that wants to change, but there's a part of you that's like, hey, I'm a pro at what I do. I hate where I'm working. But starting all over is like feeling like I'm a freshman again. And that doesn't feel good. So you really want to take a step back and say, where

are these toxic thoughts coming from? Is it fair of change? Is it in security? And if it is some type of velvety to it, like you're saying, hmm, I'm not as qualified, you know, people that are in these roles are have a PMP certification or they have certain certifications or degrees that I don't have, it's fine to be realistic with that, but instead of staying in that negative thought, change that by saying, what can I do to get myself there? Maybe you want to start putting in your goals to get that certification so that you feel more confident, too.

I think that is excellent advice. Let's talk about developing a brand story. So we know this is very important. People call it a brand story, they call it an elevator pitch, whatever you want to call it, I think it's the same thing, correct me if I'm wrong. So why is having a brand story so important? How do you develop one? And maybe you could share your brand story with us too. Okay, so the elevator pitch in the brand story is different in the sense is similar But like when you think about the elevator pitch It's about who you are what you do and who you help in in this in a summary right?

So it's almost like the snapshot or the cliff notes version of What you do that you can say really quickly is somebody really wanted to know or you're just kind of explaining or you're in a networking event. When you talk about your brand story, it really pulls more from that elevator pitch into more details. And your brand story is really important

because again, it's about differentiating yourself from others. Especially if you're trying to transition your career, you know, the common mistake is that people want to show how I'm just like this person, how I'm similar to my favorite entrepreneur. I'm similar to this favorite person who's really good at what I do. And when you think about your brand story, you want to pull out what is your unique journey to where you are in your career. Because that's where people, they say that the humans, like the best way that people communicate or understand or connect is through storytelling, right? People connect that it's the most natural, fundamental form of communication.

And people will connect more to stories than to just, you know, pieces of like facts or just, you know, words like like detail oriented and proven. So finding your story is important and the way that you do it is think about, what is your evolution? Even when you talk about your own story, Aala, and you started, you were working in a radio station and you've moved up and you've worked in marketing

and you've worked in different roles, what is your driving factor? What drove you to doing what you do? What challenges did you have along the way that made you who you are? What lessons that you've learned? So your brand story is really important because at the end of the day, even if you're in the same place, there were different paths that you took to get there. And it's important to be mindful of that because sometimes you just think, oh, there's nothing extraordinary about my story, but it could be and you're missing out on that. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. So maybe just to give us an example of what a good brand story sounds like. Could you tell us

yours? Yes, well, I started out, so when I was in college, I went to college for English, and I wanted to be a journalist so bad. I mean, I really wanted to be more on the journalistic side, and I remember my first job out of college was at editorial assistant role. And part of that, as I was going through, actually even before that,

as I was going through the path of becoming a journalist, I realized that it was a little bit more than I can take as far as you had to call people. And I'll never forget the time there was a story, a local story where a child passed away, in a car accident, and I had mentioned to a colleague that I knew the father, and the colleague was like, well, can you get me that number? And I was, okay, so I can call him.

And I just didn't feel good about that. So as I went through my career and I started to realize, okay, I don't want to do this part of it. I want to do something else. I realized that I was able to still use my writing skills in different roles like training and technical writing. So my story came out of wanting to be a writer and it went through different shapes and turns to corporate America.

And then at that point I said, you know what, I'm ready to go out on my own. And a part of my brand story that I always say is that I left my job when I was three months pregnant to start my own business because that's how passionate I felt about it. So it's just these compilation of events that are very specific to your unique experience. Now, when you're expressing it to people, obviously, it's like, how do you condense it?

We don't really need a whole rundown of what was going on since the 90s, but it's about really pulling out key points that would be of interest to other people. Yeah, and it's clear that you didn't memorize it. It wasn't something that you memorized. And you also shared your feelings. Like you wanted it so bad.

It was, you didn't feel like it was a good fit for you when you needed to call people up and it got too personal for you or invasive in terms of being a journalist. So really cool that you explained it in that way and you stories just like you had mentioned is the best way to kind of connect with the people that you're trying to connect with. Something else that I know is really important when it comes to your brand story or your elevator pitch is making it relevant to your audience.

So I think it's called like WIFM. What's in it for me? Can you explain that principle to us? Yes, the whiff, I say, pin, you know, it's like, you know, and just to one point to go back to one point that you said, how that was so important is that even like when you're interviewing, when you're thinking about transitioning, use these stories, right? When you when you're really comfortable about those things, use stories to, instead of saying like,

when someone says, tell me about yourself, or what makes you good at what you do, instead of saying words like, I'm detailed oriented or I'm passionate, use a story that shows that you're passionate without you actually having to say that, and it really makes a bigger connection. So when we talk about with them, what's in it for me?

We always wanna make sure we're presenting information with our target audience in mind, right? So for someone looking to transition, you're maybe talking to a recruiter, right? And you may be talking to a hiring manager. So your key is not to just focus on the fact that I wanna job, right? Because everybody to just focus on the fact that I want a job, right? Because everybody, you know, like that's the obvious that you want to have a job.

You know, you want to make sure that you're touching in what's in it for that other person. So, for example, one should let that recruiters like that first, like the gatekeeper, right? Because they're trying to see like if you're someone that's were passing on to the hiring manager. So, think about it from what is the recruiter looking to know, right? So when you're having that conversation, the recruiter wants to know if you have the fundamental skills. So that's something that when you're communicating

and talking to them and answering questions, you want to bring up experiences and talk to things that you know that they have the checkbox that they're looking to confirm Yeah, and then you want to when you get past that stage to a hired manager You want to look to like the other things besides the obvious for example You are you likable you want to show that like if you hire me? I won't be a pain and in pain. I will be someone that can get along with everyone.

And a perfect example of that, when I think about wisdom, what's in it for me, is I remember having an interview for a consultant role in finance. And at that time, I never had a finance role before. And I remember the higher managers said, well, why should I hire you out of everyone else? He's like, you know, you haven't had the experience before. And so what I did is I put my answer to what I needed. I knew he wanted to know. Like, are you gonna be easy to train? And I said, because at the end of the day,

these are skills that words are year-end, healthcare, whether you're in math, you're in macy's, wherever you are, they're transferable. But I'm someone that is easy to get along with. I learn quickly and I know that I will be confident to be able to do what can be done. I heard from him that same day. By the time I got back to the job that I was trying to leave, I got a call from him. So when you think about the what's in it for me, what's in it for that person,

don't come from the standpoint of like, I need to say everything that I want to say to let them know how excited I am to have a new job. Talk to what they want to know because besides the skills, honestly, people want to know that you will get along with others, you'll be a good fit, you're likable, and you're someone that, you know,

they won't regret hiring because you can train anybody the skills, right? But personality is important. I think you hit on such an important point when it comes to gatekeepers and being likable. You know, people are the gatekeepers in life, like whether you like it or not. Most of the time when you want a new opportunity,

there's a gatekeeper, whether that's the hiring manager, whether that's somebody who's, if you're for me when I was trying to get a show on MTV, whether that's the producers, whether whatever it is, there's always a gatekeeper usually that is going to open the door for you, or close the door for you, and it really all depends on if they like you.

Yes. Like you said, telling a story helps you be more likable because they connect with you. So instead of telling people like, I am really smart or I do have finance skills. Tell them a story about how you solved a complex problem with your finance skills and make sure that they know that you're approachable, you're likable.

How else can we be more likable? What are some other tips in terms of your personal brand and being more appealing to people, being more likable, how else can we be more likable? What are some other tips in terms of your personal brand? And being more appealing to people, being more likable. Well, being carefree. So one of the things I talk about for branding, like I have my, my framework is the forciase to brand clarity, which is being clear, you know, having a clear elevator pit, having clear what you do, being credible. So obviously having the expertise to back up what you're saying you're able to do, being consistent. So like even when we talked about planning, pre-planning, you're having your resume, your LinkedIn, everything

is consistent online and offline as far as where you are. And then that last C is being carefree. And what's interesting is that a lot of people struggle with being care free. And when it comes down to being likeable, it's really about being who you are, right? Because if you feel like you have to be someone else to fit into a role, then that's going to be a challenge because either a that is not going to be for you anyway because obviously it's going to be hard being somebody you're not, but B, you want people to appreciate you for who you are. And I remember meeting someone, she was a project manager,

and she was working for the company for, like she started at the company at maybe 17 years old, at 17, like really, really young. And she worked her way into a higher position. And she told me that she struggled with being carefree because she felt like in order to be taken seriously, she had to be that serious person because people always kind of thought of her

as like the little person that started out, maybe as an intern or whatever, not really a project manager. So you have to be so confident enough to be who you are, because that's what people are going to connect with, like even when you mentioned about my book having been, there was humor in it. Like that to me is a big compliment because humor, that is my personality, that is who I am. And some people may think that if you're writing a career book and you're being an authority in personal

branding, that you must be very serious and you must be very true and perfect. And I'm like, no, I don't want to, I want to be who I am. So the more comfortable you are with just embracing those quirks and embracing like what makes you who you are, the more you're going to be carefree. And the more carefree you are, the more you're more likable you will be. So the people that you're supposed to be cool with or you know work with or know. Your dog is an important part of your family. Don't settle when it comes to their health.

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It's all over social media. There's so many different blogs on it. But aren't we also supposed to be like genuine human beings? And now it's getting sold as like a hack for personal branding, be authentic, right? Be authentic and you'll have a great personal brand. So what do you think the common myths are when it comes to authenticity?

I love it. I love that you mentioned that because it is something like a buzz word now. It's like, why should that be a hack? But I think social media sometimes is the part of that where we see everyone that looks so perfect, right? We see sometimes that like the people who are the influencers are so perfect that it puts that thought in everyone that my goodness, that's what it is to be authentic. Like, oh, perfectly, you know, bookshelf.

I love that neither you or myself have bookshelves in the background. And it's like no shade to anyone who does or who has the perfect bookshelves, but it's like, it's the most natural thing should be to just show up as who we are. And I think that the more that people try to shape, you know, their personal brand to be forced to be this fake real, as I would call it, it puts this bad impression that

like real means that I am, I woke up like this. And I think that's where it comes from sometimes, but you're right. Like we should be authentic. And I think the other side of it, as you mentioned that, is that people try to be too too real. So then everybody wants to outvonderable someone, right? So you want to outvonderable the next person and to share all of your stories to connect. But then is that being authentic?

I'm not sure. It's hard to judge, but if it doesn't feel real to you, if you feel like you have to put that much effort, then that's not gonna make you feel comfortable showing up either. Yeah, so something else that you brought up very briefly is the fact that like you need to have confidence, you need to have confidence in yourself. There's really a fine line between being confident and arrogant.

So how do you walk that fine line? And how can we come off as confident, but not arrogant when we're in a job interview or when we're meeting somebody for the first time? I think the fine line and the real fine line between confident and arrogant, I say sometimes like, you know, you have to be somewhere between mother Theresa

and Kanye West, right? So like the fine line somewhere between that is, it's humility and self-awareness. So I think confidence is really important because honestly that's what's going to propel you to that next level, you know, prepare you for the knows as you're transitioning into a new role and as you may be applying for jobs and trying to transition your career and it's not happening as quickly as you would like. So that confidence is going to be important because you may see everyone talking about their

wins and you're like, well, when is it going to happen for me? You know, when am I going to have my win? And so you need to remind yourself that it doesn't have anything to do with you and that's where confidence is important. But you're right, there is a line where arrogance isn't good because if you're arrogant, when you come down to like the whiff them and what, you know, there is a line where arrogance isn't good because if you're arrogant, when we come down to the whiffle and what someone is looking for, no one wants to work with someone, they feel like they cannot. They're not going to be a positive part of a team, or that you can't tell them, you can't give them constructive criticism, they think they know what to work with and know it all all either. So the fine line between that

is being confident in your skills knowing that your strengths are valuing, valuing knowing that your work that $20,000 that you're asking for when someone says, what is your salary requirements, but it's also about being self-aware and catching yourself if you feel like, okay, you know what, am I being humble? Am I being a sponge where maybe I need to listen more than to talk? So self-awareness is important because it'll allow you to catch yourself. I find that the people who are not self-aware or not humble or that's where they will go more towards the arrogance side. Yeah, so when it comes to standing out amongst the sea of people, whether it's writing or whether it's just like videos, whatever content you're putting out there, it's really important to have a perspective to have an opinion. But how can you make sure that you have a perspective, you have an opinion, but you don't come off as being too opinionated or too offensive or too biased towards one topic or another. How do you manage that?

That's a good question because part of personal branding is having a point of view. When you think about standing out, you're standing out because your message is connecting with that specific person. You don't want to hide that. That's where some people who are a little bit hidden you know, hidden gems is because they're so neutral on everything, you don't really know what they mean. But when it comes down to it, as far as, you know, making sure that you're not going overboard

in your point of view is that you also have to be open to other people's opinions, right? So your point of view is important. People should know it. It is going to be a part of your brand, your core beliefs, right? That's what gets you up in the morning. That's what makes you write into your blogs and do your podcasts and write those books. Those core beliefs are important, but when someone else disagrees with you, if they're being constructive, you have to be open to receiving that. And it's how you act in those moments is I think the difference between

having your opinion be stay there and open and also coming off across as someone who is thinks that everything that you say is right. You also don't have to, I think that we shouldn't worry too much about making other people mad though. If it's something that you strongly believe in, right? And I'm talking about something that you would it mind someone took a snapshot of, right? Because in the days of social media, there's, you know, nothing is invisible, right? So if you're writing a comment on LinkedIn or if you wrote a blog or whatever, you can delete it, but somebody caught it, right? There's some type of trace of it. So, you know, when it comes to having your point of view, I would say never say anything that you wouldn't validate

or say, yes, I did say that, I still stand by that. You never want to write it, you never want to say it. But also understand that as someone disagrees with you, how you react to that is also important too. And going back to my point about, like just not caring sometimes, if you make someone mad, it's okay, I think to be polarizing it sometimes. I mean, there are some times where you do need

to take a very strong stand about it. And that's going to be personal for each individual. As long as you feel like you're doing it with integrity, you're not doing anything that's going to jeopardize your brand, your career, then if some people don't agree with what you're saying, then you have to be okay with that too and not let that stop you from using your voice. Yeah, and I think you have a good point.

Basically you're just talking about having good character, how you do anything is how you do everything. They say your character is what happens when nobody's looking and it's the same thing. How you act in the comments is just as important of how you act when you were writing that article, right? So, I'm gonna maintain your brand in all situations. So the last question I'm gonna ask

before we wrap up is about networking. So you say we should spend 80% of our time building relationships and 20% of our time marketing our brands. Can you shed some color around that and what you mean by that? Yeah, I love that question because there's a difference between personal branding and self promotion, right? So when people think about, I want to build my brand,

they think that personal branding is about showing everybody how amazing they are, right? You know, this like it's like, oh, oh, this is me and look at me. And we both know that there's more to it than that if you really want to connect with people. So a lot of times when you think about establishing yourself as an expert in the industry and the career, yes, you do want to promote yourself,

even from the standpoint of looking to change jobs or career, you do want to let people know. You do want to talk about your skills, but you also want to make sure that you're building relationships with people. One of my favorite quotes, one of my networking, my favorite networking quotes is from Dill Carnegie. I use it all the time. And he says, to be interesting, be interested. Mm-hmm. I love that. Yeah. and it's like, we take the time to be interested in others. Ask questions. Ask other people questions like, hey, you transitioned in your career. What did you do? How did you do it?

What was your challenge? Meet people. Be open to just not asking for something for people, especially like on LinkedIn when people say, okay, you want to, you know, I'm all for using LinkedIn for personal branding. I think it's a powerful tool, but people think that means that you're just like, well, buy my stuff, right? Just buy my stuff, buy my stuff because I said it, that's good enough. And it's like, you want to give people a reason to care and you want to be interested in

other people. So there is a place for you to promote yourself, but personal branding is more than self-promotion. Personal branding is saying, here's my skills. This is what I'm good at, and this is how I could use it to help you, to make you better, to also not just be about my goals, but how do I help you reach your goals as well?

Yeah, I totally agree. I couldn't agree more. What is your secret to profiting in life? Never giving up. Never giving up. It sounds like such a cheesy answer sometimes, but really I think being able to not be so stuck to a particular idea.

So when I think that my secret I would say is not giving up and I'll double it, being open to pivoting, right? Being open to change. For example, when COVID hit, it changed a lot of how we're doing. It changed businesses, it changed jobs, people are working remotely, businesses,

they're in personal events are there. So in order to profit, you really have to look at where you are now, what is the current situation? And if what you were doing yesterday is not working anymore, you have to be okay with readjusting and always readjusting. So I would say the secret is not being afraid of change, being resilient and knowing that pivoting is actually a part of the process because if you're not pivoting, you're not profiting.

I really resonated with that. I just wrote a post about this on LinkedIn. I just want to share it to my listeners in case they're not following me on LinkedIn. And basically, I told them that, yeah, it's like my sixth show. This is not my first show, you know, it's my, it could be counted as my seventh or eighth show if you count Facebook shows or college radio. And so I've been doing this for a long time and trying and failing and changing and adapting and pivoting. And you know, I had a corporate career in the middle of all of it. And so what did I do? Like you said, I never gave up and I wasn't afraid to change.

And what a great lesson that is. Thank you so much. And where can our listeners go to learn more about you and everything that you do? Thank you, Hala. And I really appreciate old insight questions that you had. If www.marry.mi.ri brands for you, and I'm on LinkedIn as well.

So they finally made Mary at a Gentles Crawford. I love to connect and mention that you found me on how to show a young and profiting. I'm sure you got a lot of followers from this, especially once we'll be blasting it out. So thank you so much for coming on the show. Again, her book is 9 to Thrive. I can't recommend it enough, especially if you're looking to transition careers. It was a really good read.

Like it's super easy to read, funny, packed with great advice. It's not just left. So definitely go out and get that book. I highly recommend it and I'll put it in my show notes. Thank you. Thanks so much for coming on. It was such a pleasure.

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