Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - Mark Metry: Screw Being Shy | E61
Episode Date: March 30, 2020Eliminate your social anxiety, once and for all! Today we have a return guest on the show, Mark Metry. Mark runs an incredibly successful podcast, Humans 2.0, and has recently launched a book, “Sc...rew Being Shy: How to Eliminate Social Anxiety,” which has already become an Amazon best seller. In this episode, we’ll discuss why we are wired to be socially anxious and learn his top tips to decrease social anxiety Sponsored by Video Husky. If your’e looking for affordable video editing services to take your marketing to the next level check out /cart.videohusky.com/youngandprofiting and get 30% off your first month! Screw Being Shy: https://www.amazon.com/Screw-Being-Shy-Anxiety-Yourself-ebook/dp/B085T7D1X4 If you liked this episode, please write us a review! Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at Hala@YoungandProfiting.com Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Today, we have a return guest on the show, Mark Metrie.
Mark runs an incredibly successful podcast, Humans2.0,
and he's recently launched a book,
Screw Being Shy, How to Eliminate Social Anxiety,
which has already become an Amazon bestseller.
And this episode will discuss his top ways
to decrease social anxiety and the science to back it up.
Hey everybody, welcome to Young and Propheating Podcast.
I am live here with no other than Mark Metrie.
Welcome to the show.
What's going on, Hal?
It's great to be with you here.
While the world is on lockdown.
Just live our lives and do all the things that we had planned and stuff, you know.
Totally.
I mean, we have this in the books from months ago.
And since everybody's working from home, I thought, why not live stream this?
Because everyone's going to be on their computers anyway.
And so let's bring entertainment to the masses.
Why not?
So how is life treating you?
I mean, the world is crashing.
Everybody's scared of coronavirus.
What are you thinking right now?
Honestly, it's pretty weird because I'm sure like a lot of people,
I have like a major plan for us to do this month,
like watch my book, do a ton of these speaking events,
do my TEDx talk, all these different things.
And so all that just kind of isn't happening anymore.
But the book launch happened.
And so some good things, a lot of unexpected things.
But I'm grateful that I'm healthy, I'm grateful I don't know anyone who's sick and I'm definitely
an optimist, but I'm a little bit afraid.
Yeah, I mean, I think everybody is a little bit afraid.
I think the best thing you can do is prepare and be cautious.
I think a lot of people underestimate the coronavirus, and I even got made fun of a little bit
for like wearing a mask and stuff on the train.
But it turns out it was a big deal, and I just think that everybody needs to be as careful
as they can, and the best thing that we can do is stick together and be a kind human.
I know you wrote a lot of posts about making sure
you're a good human throughout all of this
because it's really easy to forget your values
and things when you're scared.
I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen
when I'm on an expert, but I definitely think
a lot has changed in the last 48 hours.
Like I think Italy had reported a thousand deaths. Whoa whoa a few days ago and then now it's 2000 so
I mean, I think I think that it's getting exponential which is bad and I live in the US and like a ton of I live in Massachusetts
I just came from New York where a ton of things were put on lockdown
Yeah, like you can't go to you basically can't go to any restaurants or cafes
or anywhere for the most part.
So I've been stuck in my house for since Thursday night.
I have not left my apartment.
You're seeing my room, nobody has seen my room before.
So welcome to my room, you guys are gonna be seeing
a lot more of it.
Yeah, well stay safe.
Anyway, let's continue on because you know what life has to go on whether physical life
or virtual life.
And so we're continuing on.
So your new book, Screw Bingshi, just came out.
Not first book.
And you actually came on my show.
Yeah, it's your first book.
I heard an interview where somebody was like, congrats on your second book.
And I was like, that's not it.
It's like in book.
So your first book came out, Screw Being Shy,
and I actually had you on the show about five months ago,
episode number 41.
If you guys want to check it out,
we talked about your whole back story,
how you grew up,
some of the projects that you did when you were younger
in high school and things like that.
We talked about your VR companies.
So if you guys are interested in what marked it in the past
and some of his big current projects, you guys can go back to episode number 41. But for
this episode, we're really going to concentrate on screw being shy, the topic of social anxiety.
So when you came on the show, you actually, I asked you if you were going to write a book and you
told me that you were thinking about writing a book, but it was a completely different idea.
You said it was going to be like some adventure book,
choose your own ending.
It was about mindset and you were gonna feature
your other people that you've interviewed before,
and then all of a sudden, you hear about your book
and it's about social anxiety.
And it came out and this was five months ago,
you told me you were thinking about writing another book.
So when did you get the idea to write this social anxiety book?
And how long did it take you to write? Because it was just just five months ago you didn't even have the idea for this book?
Yeah, so we talked in like what September at LinkedIn Global, I thought it'd been.
Yeah, I mean I remember at that time I was already working on a book.
It was going to be called like human 2.0 and it was like that similar idea.
And then at the end of that month in September,
I was in LA and I was doing another speaking gig
and I just got this idea and I just couldn't go to sleep.
And then that idea was, you know,
whenever I go speak at events or whenever someone
hears my story on like a podcast or whatever,
usually the main thing I get asked by people is like how did you
overcome social anxiety because that's a piece of my story. And so I mean there's
only so much I could tell that person because I know as someone who's lived with
social anxiety for over 10 years it can be something that is not the easiest to
talk about, given your condition. It's a very deep topic and listen, I've read books by a lot of people that I've had on
my podcast that are about like human confidence and behavior, but I kind of found my own unique
path out of it and then through my podcast and through me actually, like talking to, like experts and people that actually know what they're talking about and their respective fields.
I've been able to sort of like backtrack what I did on my own journey.
Sometimes unknowingly and sometimes knowingly.
And actually find out that other people have done this.
And there's like science to back up the things that I've been trying out and I've seen results.
And then also at that time,
as I just kind of got deeper in this topic,
when you look at the data,
social anxiety in America and a lot of other countries,
is like one of the most common forms of anxiety.
And it's also linked to substance abuse
and social isolation, both of which highly
increase your chances of depression and suicide.
And so, you know, I almost kind of fell down that path.
And so just kind of looking at all these different factors, I was just like, whoa, like there
needs to be some kind of a book, there needs to be like some kind of a movement or something,
because there's so many misconceptions
from being introverted to being quiet to what is shy actually mean, is that different
from being introverted, what is social anxiety, is that even real.
And so for me, I just kind of dove into this head-on and yeah, I mean, it's been pretty
interesting.
That's awesome.
Yeah, well, I got a chance to read your book.
Originally I was going to interview before the book came out so I was really happy that
we ended up rescheduling and I got a chance to actually read it.
It's really great.
Tons of research you also provided a lot of valuable insight from the different interviews
and people that you had on the show.
So I think it worked really nicely for you.
So really great job I just want to say that before we continue.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, and then let's talk about the difference
between shyness and social anxiety,
or if there's difference.
I used to think that there is a difference,
but when I read your book,
you're of the position that shyness and social anxiety
are really the same thing.
Could you just explain that to us?
Yeah, so first and foremost, there are two kinds of people, I think.
There are introverts and there are extroverts. These are largely just fixed traits about
your character that are just about your natural behavior. And what a lot of people don't
know is that being an introvert is defined as being someone who is predominantly more living in their internal world, like their thoughts, ideas, emotions,
whereas extroverted people are the opposite. They're more about the external world and whatnot.
So I'm an introvert, a lot of people, a lot of successful people are introverts, a lot of successful people are introverts.
So, you know, these are just two kinds of people. You're not better or worse if you're either or.
And being an introvert, you know, means that you could be a quiet person that is just
kind of more focused on your own like individuality with solitude and that's totally fine.
But when you need to speak to someone, you could do that.
And then I also think that being shy is a totally natural emotion that is totally healthy
to have every once in a while on like a normal spectrum.
And so I think that if you are maybe doing something for like the first time or where it's
environment where it's like your first, second, third time. There, or maybe it's just really uncomfortable.
Like you go to an event in like some city
where you don't know anybody there.
And like for the first five, 10 minutes, you're shy.
That's totally normal.
Yeah.
But you know, there are people that can be shy
like almost every time.
They go someplace where they have to talk to someone
or anything like that.
And so for me, like I just remember being shy from a young age and like literally just
not being able to talk to anyone. Like literally just any kind of scenario, whether it was like
at a restaurant, order my meal at a waitress, trying to like tell somebody something. I just
had a lot of difficulty. And so eventually what happens is if you are continuously shy
again and again and again, this usually happens,
usually early on by someone's age,
although this can also happen to adults,
but if that pattern is continued,
then eventually what can happen is social anxiety
can slowly begin to happen because your mind and body are
Inconscently in this feedback loop because you're shy and because you're nervous
So your mind will get nervous and because of that you'll feel your body signs of being nervous
Like your forehead or your armpits or your palms will start to sweat
Yeah
Your throat will clench, your mind will race.
All these things will begin to happen.
And so you get shy and you can't talk to people.
And then also what will happen is sometimes you'll walk into an environment, the same
environment.
And let's say you're not even anxious.
But your body has been conditioned to that.
And then your body will begin to feel the symptoms of having social anxiety, which when
your mind realizes that's happening, it will continue those cycle of thoughts of social
anxiety.
And so it really becomes almost like a trap that someone gets stuck in and now they've
almost lost their free will.
So whenever they walk into a social situation,
they just can't talk to people.
And so usually if people can't grow out of this
by the time that they're older,
like early adulthood,
this is where a lot of problems begin to happen.
Because when you think about it,
social anxiety is actually like a lot more serious
than people realize. If you have an experience this or you're just looking at it from the outside,
it can seem like, oh, okay, someone's just a little bit shy. And for sure, you can be a little
bit shy and not have social anxiety. But if you are socially anxious, this eventually leads to
you not really performing well in any kind of like social situation
that has a community or network attached because you're super afraid of what other people
will think about you.
And you won't talk instead.
I talk about the varying studies in my book, but there's like a study done by Stanford
University that found that people who are socially anxious are much more prone to use substances
or to socially isolate themselves
because it's either like, okay, I'm gonna try to do this
but because I have so much stress,
I'm just gonna use like some sort of easy fix,
like a band-aid fix, or it's like,
I'm not even gonna try it all
and I'm gonna socially isolate myself
which leads to a dose of other issues.
I believe it's worse for you than smoking 12 cigarettes.
And then what's funny enough is I did a podcast earlier today,
and it was a sales podcast.
And the host, he was telling me,
he was like, yeah, I talk about this all the time
on how you can be an introvert,
but still get your stuff done,
figure out the best way to live in the world
using your strengths.
And he told me that he really struggled with alcohol because he was using it.
And so, I mean, it's definitely a major issue.
And, you know, social anxiety can also be defined as an excessive need to manage one-zone
self-image.
And so it's like, it's not just about not talking to people.
It eventually affects
every area of your life. And it puts a boundary so that the person has no other chance
but to remove it. And like the matter of the fact is, it's like, last thing I'll say
I promise. It's like, this is not a new thing. Social anxiety is one of the most primal
and ancient fears that so many of our ancestors had because it
helps you survive to a degree.
So it's interesting.
Yeah.
And we'll definitely touch on that evolutionary biology and why that's important to understand
when it comes to social anxiety.
Really quick, I want to give a really interesting stat that I think plays to this a little bit.
15 million Americans suffer from social anxiety
and 36% of those people report experiencing symptoms
for 10 years before they get help.
And so I think this really plays on the whole covering
behind your shyness.
Some people just think it's a natural personality trait
that they're shy and they don't realize
that they actually have social anxiety
and they need to get help.
And so it's really important for people to look at themselves and analyze themselves and
see if this is more of a recurring pattern than just a little bit of shyness.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think, you know, first and foremost, big reason why I wrote my book is because, you
know, if you are super socially anxious and you have gotten to that point where you are socially isolating yourself voluntarily, I guess, technically, but you're in a poor spot mentally.
Let's say you are suicidal.
Currently, our mainstream options for this world today is either call the suicide hotline
or call your doctor or a therapist or psychologist and go talk to them, go visit them
or talk to them on the phone.
And so, I mean, if you're in that state
and social anxiety has driven you to that point,
you probably don't wanna talk to anybody.
And so for me, I wrote my book
because for the most part, I mean,
a part of it is, yeah, connecting to other people,
but a big part of my book is just things
that you can do alone. because I realize that this part,
this message was really missing,
and sort of a lot of us what we're taught today
in terms of how we're supposed to deal with this
in society.
And so, again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not,
anyway, with a professional degree
to be talking about anything healthcare related,
but, I don't really talk about anything
about that stuff in my book.
If you need professional help, definitely go for it.
But everything in my book is just things that you can do on your own with your own hands and feet and mind.
And that honestly, depending on the severity, are not that hard for you to do.
So, yeah, it's interesting.
In your book, you say that social anxiety is the result of psychological trauma right and so many people
when they think of psychological trauma they think of something really extreme like a murder witnessing a
murder or a robbery or being a car crash something like that but you say that there's like a spectrum to
trauma can you talk about that and and maybe also talk about what trauma that you faced as a child growing up and why that led to your social anxiety?
Yeah, so, you know, honestly, after interviewing almost 300 people in
varying different fields, I've basically concluded that, you know, one of the
root causes of a lot of our pains and stresses and struggles has to do with the
way that our brains and body forms in the early
years of our lives.
And so, you know, a lot of people know that being in a traumatic event can mess you up
for sure.
But like you said, like the definition of that is so loose.
And essentially, you know, from what I've learned is that trauma is basically anything
that happens to you that you didn't know could happen. And so you see something that you
didn't know humans could do. You see it. You saw something that you didn't know existed
in the world. That was pretty damaging or negative in a way. And so everyone has a, you
know, varying degrees. And it could even be something not happening. Like for example, your parents and your family at an early age just kind
of left you and they didn't really hang out with you. Then you could grow up feeling that
you're always isolated, even though you could be right in front of a next to other people.
And so essentially when that happens, your nervous system pauses and it's tracks.
And it is trying to figure out what just happened.
It's putting all of its energy into like, how do we process what happens so we can learn
from it and move on.
But what happens is, you know, you can go years and years without resolving that.
If someone is already unhealthy, if someone is already not on the path towards growth and towards mindset and all these things we talk about,
they can live their lives like 10 years, 20 years after the event that traumatized them.
And it could be affecting their behavior in ways that they don't even know.
And so, you know, for this in my book, I refer to other experts about this very deep topic that know a lot more about it than me like Dr. Joe
Dispensa, Mass and Kip, Dr. Nicole LaPera, because I mean I want it to include it because this is so
super important because I feel like honestly any conversation I'm in where I'm talking about a
problem or my view on the world and the root cause is not mentioned. It's just sort of, it's missing. And so I didn't want to make
a book that was all about all these tips and all these even though practical things that you can do.
But I wanted to get into, you know, the actual root cause and people need to understand that
whether you experience something and it traumatizes you, it affects your behavior. And so for me, it was moving to a different school into a super small town with 5,000
people and having no diversity in that town, going to school with people where everyone
literally nobody looked like me, everyone was the same Caucasian white.
That was also the time of post 9-11.
And I definitely faced some pretty severe racism when I was a kid
and a lot of bullying that came from that and also I think basically connected. I also had some
physical health issues happen at the same time. Like asthma, autoimmune issues with my stomach,
appendix, skin insomnia, bladder, rashes, my eyes, wide range of issues.
And it goes back to like when you're nervous system, when you have a traumatic event and
your nervous system pauses, it's not just your mental health, for example, that gets
affected.
It's also other areas of your physical health because everything in our body and our
lives is really connected.
You can't really isolate or separate anything for the most part.
And so when that happens, it's like you go on for the rest of your life and your brain
is not allocating, it's full 100% resources on like the present moment on whatever's happening
in your life because your nervous system is trying to go back to that traumatic event
and try to figure out what happened. And so that's why you get people and kids
with all these behavioral issues
not being able to focus a lot of adults.
And one part of it is biochemical
and another part of it has to do with traumatic experiences.
And people literally not being able to,
and because of that, because of the fact
that they're trying to go back to the past and figure out what happened, they're using that same data, they're using
their same intelligence, which could be wrong to then predict their future. And that's
what creates anxiety. And so it puts them in like the zone where they're basically stuck
in life. They can't move. And so another big reason why I wrote the book too is like,
like you, I'm in the entrepreneurial self-improvement world and I always hear people talking about like no excuses
And you should just try harder and all the stuff and for sure a lot of that stuff is out. I say no excuses all the time
But a big part of it is
you know
a lot of people that maybe don't have
Issues to this degree don't really know. And so if someone doesn't have the information, and even if someone does have the information,
they don't actually understand it and know how to apply it to their own lives, it's not
the fact that they just need to get more information.
It's not the fact that they just need to be motivated harder.
It's the fact that you need to address their underlying psychology and their physiology
and all the things that impact someone's life on a day-to-day basis. And so, that's
why I talk a lot about the science because it's like, you could just say all you want
to all day, but if done in the day, you know, you need to take the most effective approach.
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Yeah.
Well, let's talk about evolutionary biology.
So you sort of touched on it. You're talking about some root causes.
We said that psychological trauma is one root cause, but then there's our genetic makeup.
And it turns out that memories of our ancestors are actually stored in our genetics and make us react in certain ways that we can't necessarily control and that we're not actually conscious of.
So could you talk about this evolutionary biology
and how that plays a role in our social anxiety?
Yeah, so you know, honestly,
a lot of these thoughts come from Robert Green.
And essentially it's this.
I mean, we like to think of ourselves as
like a complete, original human being
that we're just like one of a kind.
And for sure, we are one of a kind to some degree.
But a lot of the things that make us us are things that we can't even control are things that not necessarily
we can't control but things that were sort of given. Like you're given for the most part
whether you're an introvert or extrovert. You're born into whatever location and whatever
happens to you. You know a lot of people have had terrible things
happen to them in their lives.
And it's not their fault that those things happen.
And so a lot of these things come into play on top of that.
It's like, there's a lot of talk on intergenerational trauma.
Yep.
And I was speaking to Mass and Kip,
who I referenced earlier on trauma.
And he was telling me that one of his clients came in
because she was experiencing rashes
every time she took a shower.
And so she went to a ton of different doctors
and they had her like change shampoos
and all this different stuff
and they were just like, yeah,
there's nothing wrong with you.
Like we don't know.
And so basically it turns out that her grandma
was killed in the holocaust by an acid shower.
And so when you kind of look at it,
there's some science to back this up,
but a lot of what we think makes us us
are really just underlying survival instincts
and things that our brain has learned over the years.
The same way that when an animal is born, you know, and it can instantly recognize things
like, hey, I should not get near that tiger because I just know, or I should, hey, I should
drink this thing called water.
Humans very much have the same thing.
And so, to that degree, a major part of what makes us us has to do with what runs our
minds, which is our brain.
And when you look at it, our brains have not evolved to make us happy.
Our brains have evolved to get us to survive.
And so whatever scenario, whatever internal environment,
your brain can create, based on the information,
it thinks it knows, it will create that environment.
And so what happens is we face psychological trauma
and then now our brain is like crap,
we gotta find a way to defend ourselves against this.
And so, for example, for me, when I was either made fun of
or reprimanded when I spoke up or whatever,
my brain learned, okay, so when you speak up,
people hate you and people make fun of you
and that's not good.
And so, my brain was like, hey, because of that,
we're not gonna talk to people again.
And then that became my mask, that became my armor.
And so for other people,
doesn't have to be about social anxiety.
For other people, it could be you are living
in a super strict immigrant household
where the only way to get love from your parents
is by getting good grades.
So then you study a ton and you get known at your school as being this straight A person
and you're sort of doing all these things to help make you survive.
When in reality, we're doing these things and in turn building an ego, building an identity
within that mask that is starving us of real validation from our lives.
Because a lot of us don't even want to be doing the thing that we're doing to help
keep that mask or like that suit of armor to defend us.
It could be, you know, you getting physically abused and deciding to, you know,
go to the gym every day and getting super physically strong so that nobody can hurt you again. And so this looks like a lot of different ways for a lot of different people.
And ultimately, you have to understand kind of a little bit about that
science to just kind of help explain things more.
Totally.
For sure.
And I think it's important to understand just back to the evolutionary biology
piece is that in ancient times, humans were scared of being kicked out of their
community, right?
So humans need each other.
Same way that we need each other now with the coronavirus, we depend on each other.
Like, if you leave us in a forest by ourselves, we're more likely to get killed by bearer
tiger for by ourselves than if we're with 20 people, right?
So people, you're really scared of being like ostracized from your community or being
rejected from your community or being rejected from your community
And so that really plays into people being socially anxious
For sure, and I mean I talk about this in my book. I didn't just mention it
But you know one thing I always am sure of to say is like you don't have social anxiety
I don't have social anxiety
But my brain can be socially anxious because you have to remember that, like you said, originally learned this from Seth Godin
and also the science backs it up that,
a major way that we died was by not being in groups
because that meant you couldn't find food.
You know, this is totally different world.
You probably get killed or kidnapped
or something like that.
And so, you know, a major part of our brain,
you know, has not just evolved to detect threats
like you have no food left or, you know, there's a tiger that's going to come kill you.
It's also evolved to detect threats in the other kind of environment, like our social
environment as well.
And so people, for example, that have social anxiety have been shown to literally have bigger amygdala's
in their brain.
And so, maybe people that are more sensitive to fear-based emotions can become socially anxious
because it's an ancestral fear, because a common punishment for speaking against a leader or someone in your tribe with authority
or the administration or the leadership or whatever was social exile, like you said.
And so that can also look like you not saying the right thing in a meeting just because
you're trying to pander to what other people want you to think.
And so, yeah, that's a major, major part of it for sure.
And then I talk about like other other pieces of the science in my book
Like what actually constructs our reality and the fact that you know the average human has up to hundreds of
Connative biases yep and distortions that our brain has created throughout thousands of years
To solve our problems faster and real time and so I mean like the most common form is the negativity bias, which is like, you know,
10 people walk up to you and talk to you today, and nine of them tell you something positive,
but one of them says, you suck, you're going to focus more on the negative aspect because
negative information is more valuable in terms of survival outcomes. And so that's one another one is like,
your brain quickly accesses memory
based on what you've previously been thinking,
but not necessarily your real memory.
And so that sometimes will give you a distorted view
of who you actually are in the moment,
which then will reflect your actions and decisions
when you're in that fear-based mode. And so I talk a lot about these and how they can affect you in your life because you
just really have to understand that there are rules, there are parameters in life, and
a lot of them are just based in like science.
And then once you learn those rules, then you can learn how to best abide and follow them
to your own standard to best meet your life.
And so once you become aware,
consciously aware those rules,
that I mean, I didn't know before this,
then you can begin to control your life honestly.
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We just talked about how there's all these unconscious things at play, right?
So one of the ways to become more conscious
is to start to pay attention to your thoughts, right?
And start to purposely change negative thoughts
and two positive ones.
Do you have any practical ways in which that you turn
your negative thoughts into positive ones?
And what you do to have a healthy mindset?
Yeah, so I mean, I would probably say a lot of people in terms of changing thoughts,
probably they say CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, that's one.
There's a study in my book from Stanford University that talks about how a meditation is equally as effective at treating.
Social anxiety specifically and the thoughts related to that as effective as therapy and other forms of medication.
So that's what I would probably say and honestly I think the big thing with this is like a lot of people,
I don't know, I kind of feel like there's a narrative that says out there that's like you have to control all your thoughts, all your thoughts have to be positive.
If you have a negative thought, just send it back. That's not really the way it works. I mean, once you think of thought, it's been thought. You can't take it back.
And so I think a major part is learning how to meditate. And I talk about this in my book, and I title this type of section, Meditation will Crack
You Open.
And essentially what you realize is that, you know, we are like this ocean of thoughts.
Every day the average human mind emits anywhere from 25 to 60,000 thoughts a day.
And so a lot of these thoughts sometimes were conscious of them.
We know we're thinking them. Other thoughts were unconscious of.
And when you look at all these thoughts,
these very much run the script of our lives.
The same way that you pick up a movie script
and you see a character and what they say,
that runs our thoughts.
And 80% of those thoughts are almost identical
from the day before.
And so I think a major aspect, a way to
start changing your thoughts is to not go through your thoughts at all because that makes
it worse. And so if you start to think, I should not think, I'm this, then your brain is
going to think, I'm this. Or it's like if I'm thinking like, I should start to be more
confident because I'm a loser and I'm having negative thoughts.
And I keep thinking about that, it's gonna keep happening.
And so I think a major part of this is
you can't really think your way to better thoughts.
You have to go outside of the mind.
And one of the greatest ways to go outside of the mind,
one of them is meditation.
And specifically with meditation,
you begin to realistically understand this because if
you're just hearing everything what I'm saying and you haven't, you know, meditate, you
don't know what I'm talking about, you might logically understand this in your brain, but
you don't actually know what I'm talking about.
And what I'm talking about is when you meditate and you disconnect from the external environment,
your thoughts overall, they don't decrease, they
actually increase.
And so you actually think more when you meditate because you just shut off your external environment.
And so your brain is no longer paying attention to anything, but it's now it's inside its
own mind.
And so when you do that, you think way more.
And so a lot of people try meditation and they're like, wow, I can't calm down my brain
Or I keep thinking I guess this isn't for me. Well, no, that's literally the point of meditation
The point of meditation is the same way you go to the gym and you lift it's to
Exercise your muscles and it sucks when you do it and so when you meditate every day day in and day out
You begin to actually understand what I've said
of life is just a series of thoughts.
You understand that life is just, you're on an ocean and waves are just crashing.
You can't stop the waves, the waves are always going to come, and those are our thoughts.
The best way to go about them is to address the emotional piece that can then make a decision
I want to do based on that thought.
Am I going to freak out and produce more negative thoughts?
Or am I going to take this with a grain of salt and realize what it is, which is a series
of feedback loops that my brain is giving me based on the different chemicals that my
brain is secreting, depending on the environment and my mood and all these different factors.
And so when you look at it that way,
you can no longer get it,
because this is the big thing, right?
Like, I think a major meta blocker of a lot of issues
and the big issue is not actually the issue.
So the issue is not the fact that someone is anxious, the issue is not actually the issue. So the issue is not the fact that someone is anxious.
The issue is not even the fact that someone might not be confident.
It's the fact that when they think that and they get shameful
that they're having that problem in the first place.
And so when someone gets shameful about something,
they're trying to hide it.
And so when you hide it,
you're actually not giving your brain in your body,
the other resources it needs to tackle that problem
and so it stays a problem.
And so for me, like I talk about in my book,
the big thing for me about social anxiety
wasn't even the social anxiety,
but it was the fact that like in every scenario,
I would try to hide the fact
that I had social anxiety.
And when I began to talk about it more in the fact that I faced this issue, the problem
got exponentially easier to manage and to solve.
And so I mean, I talk about it again in my book.
I call it shame the ticking time bomb, where a lot of times if we don't address these issues,
it leads to a life of
quite desperation.
We're trying to hide a lot of different things about your life and it goes past the normal
expectation for privacy and it's really impacting your life and it's isolating you and not
connecting you.
And so that's a major aspect of to understand of it too and not just with being shy,
but also a lot of our emotions.
Shame blocking them.
So essentially you're saying like label that emotion
and you can overcome it.
Is that what you're saying?
I mean, for sure, label that emotion.
I mean, I'm sure you've had people in your podcast
that have told you like, you know,
when you label an emotion scientifically
has been proven to affect you less.
But I'm also talking about like in a lot of households,
like a lot of immigrant households
that are more strict from a lot of the friends that I have,
being depressed is not a real thing.
Or, it was a shameful for you to feel
socially anxious, you're saying.
Yeah, or, I mean, there's a wide variety of issues
that you can do are like, oh, we just don't talk about that here.
I mean, there's a thousand different ways
that this plays out in every culture.
And so when that happens,
percentage of the population,
they grow shameful around this.
And this even becomes a more serious issue
because they're not talking about this issue.
But if they talked about it,
express that they began to open up the natural ways to heal
and get on that path towards growth,
you wouldn't have people, you know, 10 years
down the road that are suicidal using substances.
And so that's a major, major part of it.
And so it can affect a lot of different people from varying religions, cultures.
I mean, when you actually look at the data, shinest is the most common in places like Asia
and the Middle East, where those cultures, some of them are not really that open about these
things and they try to suppress a lot of different, if you look like this or if you act this
way and so, you know, that's a major part of it too and so when that happens in our society,
you also see an equal effect on people's mental health too that often doesn't get seen
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Wow, that's really interesting. I never really thought about it that way.
So you brought up Robert Green previously and when I was reading,
I think it was chapter three of your book
It's called Life's Greatest Invention. It reminded me of the law of death denial
So he wrote this book called the laws of human nature and he talks about the law of death denial
And essentially it's people being afraid of death we fear death
And he says that until we accept our own death, we can't be free
And so that's his thoughts on it. What are your thoughts on death?
And are you afraid of death?
And for the room afraid of death or not, I'm not sure.
But honestly, I think the big idea here is like Robert Green,
like you have to get an understanding of it.
Because I don't know about you,
but I never really actually thought about my death
until like when I was 18, 1919 and so I think a big reason for
that is because we value human life so much now unlike at a time previously in
history that has never happened before and so we're trying to like Robert
Green says like we're trying to almost run away from it.
Like we make these grave yards,
and we try to put people in the corner
that are dead, we try not to talk about it.
We try to hide it, and it's something that's terrible.
When a reality, I mean, 100,000 people die every day.
That happens every day.
That's just the cycle of life.
People are bornborn people die and
You know a lot of you know for example like when you look at any major
Religion culture tradition they all address death or the afterlife in some way shape reform
And so this is clearly an important problem and so for me like even though like these signs were everywhere
Whether it was a religion
or something, a reminder of death,
they sort of like blend in the background
and you don't really realize it
and you don't actually ever consciously think of dying.
And so when you really think about that,
I think it very much distorts you.
And so for example, like today,
because of the whole coronavirus thing,
honestly, like, you know, despite the thousands of people that have already died and a lot of the bad things that have happened,
I think a lot of people are being re-invigorated with a sense of what it means to be alive.
I saw I was on Twitter and I saw a janitor for a nursing home that said,
I mean, she dropped some f-boms in there,
that were inspirationally dropped,
but she was like, I'm cleaning every damn inch
and floor this restroom of these facilities.
I'm not gonna let anyone here die.
And so I think we almost have,
throughout the course of our entire history,
we've always been in wars, We've always been in like plagues
We've always been in varying flu that have killed millions of people. We've always been against some big enemy
And so for the most part, I think a major aspect of that for the last
You know a few decades for sure things have happened has
Greatly decreased because the world has gotten into a better place
Yeah, but I think when you were reminded of your death, it's so, so, so, so important.
And the fact is, is like, when you realize this, you're essentially like, wait, so if I
know I'm going to die, and I know I'm a shy person that I don't want to be anymore,
and I actually have a lot to say, and I like talking to people, but I just really can't get myself to.
When I'm dead, I'm gonna regret this so much.
Or am I really gonna let the opinions of other people
stop me because I'm gonna die one day.
And so you get down this line of thinking
and you realize that to a big degree,
death is life's ultimate motivation.
Totally.
And so when you get that,
it really begins to, you see your life
in a different perspective,
and on top of that,
you really begin to take like responsibility for your life.
Right?
So for example, today,
like the CDC and the World Health Organization,
and a lot of people are speaking out and they're saying,
hey, a major part of this is what you do on your own.
You have to be responsible.
Like if you are sick or if you think you're sick, don't go outside, make sure you're sanitizing,
make sure you're saying healthy, make sure you're doing all these things because you could
be impacting other people.
And so with our own lives, you have to take responsibility not for even your own health
or your sickness, but you have to take responsibility for for even your own health or your sickness,
but you have to take responsibility for your life itself, for your existence.
And the matter of the fact is, it's not like you have to take on everything in life, and
it's not about taking too much responsibility, and it's not about confusing something
being your fault versus it being responsible.
Or like a lot of terrible things have happened to a lot of us.
And it's not our fault that those things have happened, but you are responsible for who
you are today because those things might have affected you or not.
That's just the truth of the matter of the fact is.
And until you can get around that fact, you can't change yourself.
And so the way that I think about this is like, the
same way when you make a social media account, the same way when you're signing up for a program,
and it tells you, hey, yo, here are the terms and conditions. You gotta hit this box, you gotta
hit a degree, and if you don't, you can't play this game, you can't sign up. And so, you know,
we're not really given that at the beginning of our lives, but I kind of feel like this is
almost the same thing for someone to really realize this,
understand their death and realize what that actually means
for them to be responsible for it.
And I feel like if you know that,
and you also understand that the science
and the truth about how our society works
and the way our brain works,
and you realize the root cause,
then you can actually develop like a legitimate runaway, perhaps like a
ground plant that you can begin to take steps towards to help yourself on this
thing that is going to totally change your life. And so I feel like once you have
those three elements, then you can be like, all right, I'm going to be motivated.
I'm not going to, you know, not be unmotivated because I stopped caring about this.
I'm not going to like move on to the next podcast
or the next information thing.
You're actually going to care about this.
If this is a big aspect of your life
that you care about, so.
Yeah, totally.
So we covered a lot of the mental stuff,
like how to make sure that, you know,
we're not totally overtaken by our unconscious thoughts. We talked about
the law of death denial and how we basically need to use death as motivation. Let's talk
about our physical selves, our body, exercise, nutrition. How does that come into play when
it comes to social anxiety?
So researching how the human body, and specifically the gum microbiome,
and food and nutrition work,
has been like a side hobby of mine since like 2017,
when I began, or 2016, 17,
when I began to learn about health.
And then also when I met Nivee Jane,
who you've had on this podcast, I believe.
And he goes into it.
And so like for me, a major trend that I kind of saw was,
and even when you look at the mental health field,
there's an emerging field of science
called nutritional psychiatry.
And essentially what they're beginning to realize
is that food is actually one of the most powerful forms
of treatment for mental health,
which you don't really think of. Like for me growing up. I always just thought just eat what you got to eat to survive
And then if you eat too much then you're gonna gain weight and get fat
That's my only understanding of food that I had and then when I actually
dove into the research and the science and
And then you also look at like the mental health communities and even like
authors and leaders talk about this. They talk about a neurotransmitter that impacts many
aspects of our lives called serotonin. And serotonin impacts a lot of things about us from our
sleep to our mood to our appetite to a wide range of things to our mood, to our appetite, to a wide range of things,
to our social functioning in groups.
So it's extremely important for social anxiety.
And a lot of the mental health medications,
primarily a percentage of them target
that mechanism in the body and the brain.
And it actually turns out that 10, 15 years ago,
we thought that all of our serotonin,
all of our neurotransmitters, when are our brain.
It actually turns out that's not true.
And only 5, 10% of serotonin is in the brain.
90, 95% is in the gut microbiome.
Wow, what did you know about that?
Which is next to your stomach and intestines,
which is actually this vast ecosystem
of trillions of bacteria,
speak of bacteria and viruses,
that human beings have created a symbiotic relationship
with for thousands of years
that have basically made us the number one species
on this planet.
And so if there's something wrong with your gut,
then there's eventually going to be something wrong
with you.
And there are countless diseases, even outside of the mental health world, that are linked
to having an unhealthy gum microbiome.
And so a major aspect of this is like, if you want to improve your mental health, like
there's a section in my book where I say a strong mind is built in the kitchen.
And I think that's the first place you have to start.
And so a major aspect is you have to really begin
to either become conscious.
Everyone's a little bit different
on where they are in their health journey.
You have to at least become conscious
of what you're putting in your body.
And you really have to stop honestly eating
things that have been made in factories,
things have been made by scientists.
Because the matter of the fact is,
most of America is obese,
and that's not because those people are weak.
It's not because those people have less willpower
than you or I are even more disciplined.
It's because those people's nervous systems
and biochemistry don't stand a chance against
the billions of dollars of money that has been created
by keeping people unhealthy and creating artificial junk food that has literally like the same way
people talk about like Facebook and apps being addictive, these companies hire the world's best
scientists, the world's food gastrologists,
and they figure out a way to make their product,
you know, same way as any company.
How do we get the user to do it as much as possible?
Yeah. How do we make it addictive?
Sugar.
And the worst part about this is,
there's a study I mentioned in my book,
where they take the brains of people who are doing hard drugs,
like crack cocaine, heroin, and they also do brain brains of people who are doing hard drugs, like crack cocaine, heroin,
and they also do brain scans of people
who regularly consume junk food,
and the gray matter is almost the same,
which means that there is a severe amount of addiction
going on around the world.
And for sure, a big part of it is like for me,
when I was over 200 pounds,
it was initially led because I had so much pain
going on in my life.
That was the only way I knew how to deal with my emotions.
But also, food, especially processed food,
is extremely, extremely addictive.
And so what I talk about in my book is like,
if you have that problem, you need to, again,
same idea of what I said about thoughts, in terms of you can't focus on the negative thoughts, you have to go, you need to, again, the same idea of what I said about thoughts
in terms of you can't focus on the negative thoughts,
you have to go on the positive ones,
you have to do the same thing with food.
So don't focus on not eating junk food,
don't focus on not eating ice cream, not eating brownies.
Just focus and try to do your own research
and try to learn what healthy food
that you can easily put into your diet
that you can easily put into your schedule. that you can easily put into your schedule.
And when you start to slowly give your body
the right nutrients, fats, fibers to fuel your brain
and body properly, you're not necessarily gonna be that
pulled to eating like an entire pint of ice cream,
like I used to do all the time.
And so that's a major aspect of it.
And when you do that, you're gonna see a major increase
in your mental health.
And so that's number one, and I advocate for eating.
Again, I don't necessarily believe
there's a universal healthy diet,
because everyone's body and chemistry
and gum microbiome is different.
But I definitely advocate for most people,
probably a higher fat diet,
where the majority of their calories are coming from fat,
because there are countless studies
that I talk about in my book.
I mentioned chemical compounds like Omega-3
that most people know of,
things like vitamin D.
A lot of chemicals and a lot of vitamins and minerals
that are mostly found in fats,
in like products, foods, animals that you eat,
that are super good that are known as brain foods,
that I think a lot of people just quite frankly don't eat
or don't supplement with.
And so, me, I feel like I barely ate a vegetable in my life.
I had a strict diet of muffins and crackers and bread and all this stuff. And the matter of the
fact is, is if you're not eating vegetables, if you're not eating things that are natural
that come from the ground and that have just been made, your biochemistry is going to suffer.
And for me, I mean, I think I always suffered because of my health, because of food, but for
me, my breaking point was 1819 for some other people
It's like in their 20s for some other people. It's like they'll eat whatever they want and then they're 30
And they're like, oh, I don't know why I'm facing this problem and honestly, I think
After talking to a ton of scientists doctors on my podcast the best the best
I think probably 80% of your health is connected to your food.
Yeah.
The rest is other aspects.
And so for sure, it's not the end all, be all by no means.
Like you could, you could be eating a ton of vegetables and still hate your life.
If you haven't figured out some other things, and you're not relieving stress, but when
you look at it, I mean, when you look at stress, going back to like psychological trauma,
psychological trauma can't create the number one form
of chronic stress, number two form of chronic stress
is your diet, is your food.
And so when you look at that too,
it's like you've got to do that.
And then when it comes to mindset
and everyone's talking about the brain
and how to think better, it's like how else do you think
your brain is gonna recreate new brain cells?
How do you think it's gonna reenact?
Yeah, it needs the nutrients, it needs the fats.
You know, you can't be, in my opinion,
if you really wanna maximize your brain health,
you can't really be drinking alcohol every night.
You have to be moving a lot during your day.
You have to make sure you're sleeping for a good enough time.
And that could be depending on the person anywhere
from seven to like nine hours.
And so those are super-infectors to make sure your brain is properly restored because we now know that
if your brain is inflamed you have a much higher increase of getting anxiety, depression, suicide.
And so a lot of these factors are linked in together, especially in the body.
Yeah, and then the other two factors that are really important for our listeners to consider is
sleep and exercise.
Those two also decrease your stress and help you become a better person in general.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the two most important things are about that is this.
So I think if you are someone who's busy, which is everyone, I think you need to schedule
these things out.
Like I think you need to go to your count or you need to be like, okay, from 1015 to 1020,
I'm gonna get up and I'm gonna do as many jumping jacks as I can for five minutes.
And so I think a major part of this is like a lot of us go to the gym and we exercise
in certain amount of times a week.
And I mean, that's great and all, for sure, to be active, get fit.
But also, our body was not meant to have
a hyper-concentrated amount of activity for an hour,
and then sit down inside all day on like a laptop.
And so, schedule moving throughout the day,
and then also what I advocate for is,
trying to find some spot in your schedule
or you can schedule in a big walk.
And so what I do is like I'll try my best
to schedule a ton of meetings where I can just be on my phone.
I don't have to be looking at anything
and I can just have a meeting after meeting after meeting.
And I'll just be on my air pause
and I'll just go for like a two hour walk
or like a one hour walk.
And so that's a major aspect of it.
And then, you know, if you're eating healthy,
if you are exercising, if you're moving your body,
you know, sleep is probably gonna work much better for you,
but I'll share one tip about sleep
that I think is pretty powerful
that I don't really hear that often.
So I learned about this thing called sleep anchoring.
And essentially what this is is,
you go to sleep at night
and you close your eyes.
And essentially what you do is every time that
like you inhale, you inaudibly,
so don't say this out loud,
but you play a vowel sound in your head.
And so you could be like, ah.
But you don't say it. You don't say it. And you just say in your mind like,
say you breathe in and then you, you pretend to say a vowel.
Yeah. So while you're breathing in, you're saying a vowel. And then when you
exhale, you say a different sounding vowel. And so let's say that's
ooh. And so you inhale, ah, you don't actually say these, ah, you exhale,
ooh. And so you do this in your head.
And if you actually do this in your focus enough
and you do this for five minutes,
you're probably gonna knock out in like maybe three minutes.
Maybe.
This knocks you out instantly.
It creates a rhythm which mirrors the way
that your brain waves actually move.
And so when you do that, you slip into sleep
much, much easier. And so that
is a super easy trick that anyone can do. But a lot of people, what happens is they begin
to do it. And because they don't have a controlled mind, they don't have a strength in mind,
they lose focus. And so they start to knock out, they start to fall asleep, but they stop
saying the sounds, the vowel sounds. So then they're half asleep and then they wake up again, they're like, wait, what just
happened?
And so if you have a focused mind through meditation, this is going to be a lot easier,
but either way is super powerful.
It'll knock you out real quick.
Really cool.
Really great for our insomniac out there.
Thank you, Mark Metruz.
Like long insomniac.
Didn't sleep for the first time.
Same here.
I have like the worst insomniac.
I'm much better these days. I don't know what time. Same here, I have the worst of my life.
I'm much better these days, I don't know what happened,
but I used to have a lot of trouble sleeping.
Okay, so we're out of time.
So the last question I ask all my listeners
is what is your secret to profiting in life?
Whew, my secret to profiting in life
is the same way that you have profit in the business,
you invest, and then you get returns on your
investment. That's the way that I view life. And so that comes down to your daily decisions.
And so I know that every time I use my fork and I pick up something green over a donut,
I just made an investment. And I know I'm going to return a profit on that investment.
Years down the road.
And so that's an example and really every single thing I do.
For me, I break down life into just like the most simplest tasks that make, make of life.
So it's like, you have to sleep, you have to move, you have to eat, you have to eat slash drink, you have to talk to people,
you have to breathe, and then maybe you throw in
one other one in there.
And so if you can do those to the best of your ability,
and you can keep making those daily investments,
then you're gonna profit on each one of those,
exponentially, down the road
when they all synergize together.
And so I feel like that's what I've been able to do.
I feel like that's what a lot of people have been able to do.
That's why I feel like a lot of people who are more focused on the big picture of like,
what does life actually mean?
And they're not just focused on how to make more money or how to get more clicks on your
website or on your podcast as an entrepreneur
and they're focused about like their mental wealth and the more important things in life.
You know, then I think you can have that like perfect synergy of just like like what the best way
to describe this is a hurricane. I wrote an article about this and it's like eventually
I wrote an article about this and it's like eventually a
Hurricane once a hurricane starts it's picking up so much stuff It's picking us so much energy. It's going and going and it's attracting so many opportunities towards it
And so I feel like if you can lay out all these different areas of your life that are important to you and also what make you up as a human
And you try to your best to knock those out of the park,
then you're gonna be super, super successful
on your investments and profit in the future.
And also, if you wanna attend next year's investment,
you should go to Amazon,
and you should check out my book, Screw Being Shy.
Definitely leave a review for Young and Profiting,
for Hava, she crushes this podcast,
she's doing such a good job.
So many podcast guests that we have interviewed in common,
after they've been on your show,
have told me how great of a job that you've done.
Oh, wow, that's so great to hear.
And how successful you're gonna be.
And so, I wish you the best of luck
and people can check out my LinkedIn
and just check out the book, Scroobean Shy, M-A-R-K-M-E-T-R-Y.com. Awesome. Mark Metrie is amazing. We're gonna
stick the link to his book Scrooving Shy. It's on Amazon Kindle and Paperback.
We'll stick the links in our show notes and check out his podcast Humans 2.0.
It's super popular. We've had a lot of the same guests like you mentioned but
he's got a lot of awesome people on that show that I've never interviewed before, so go check out his podcast.
He does a great job as well.
Thanks everybody for tuning in.
Until next time, we'll see you next week.
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