Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - YAPLive: Breaking Into The Tech Industry Career Panel on Clubhouse | Uncut Version

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

How can you break into the tech industry and land a successful career doing something that you love?   Today on the show Hala is joined by industry experts, top recruiters and career coaches to discuss how you can more effectively land those interviews in the tech field, and how you can blow them away during that interview.    The tech industry has been strong over the last several years: IT unemployment continues to shrink, salaries inch higher each year and innovation continues to create exciting career opportunities. In fact, a recent survey found that 86 percent of businesses have trouble finding tech talent and the gap is only getting bigger and job opportunities projected to grow 11% by 2029.   In this episode, Hala and friends chat about how using your personal brand can speak volumes when trying to break into the industry, and how getting used to industry language and key terms before you’re actually in the field can help give you the confidence you need. The panel also covers how to stand out amongst a sea of resumes, ace your interview and sky rocket your career once you have your foot in the door.     Meet the Panel   Jarrett Albritton (http://linkedin.com/in/jarrettalbritton) A client-focused sales team leader with a consistent track record of delivering value to clients while meeting measurement targets. Since 2006 Jarrett has closed over $40 million in software and tech deals. www.rockonsuccess.com/3secrets   Christian Bourdeau (https://www.linkedin.com/in/christianbourdeau) Christian has a goal to help minorities, women, students, and non-tech pros pivot into tech. He works for PlayStation as a senior analytics engineer.   Glaze Martillano (https://www.linkedin.com/in/glazemartillano/)  Glaze is Talent Acquisition at Facebook & Instagram and Career Coach. She is a huge advocate for women in tech and diversity, empowering high-ambitious professionals to align purpose with impact.    Jonathan Javier (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-wonsulting/) Jonathan is the CEO and Founder Wonsulting with a mission: to turn underdogs into winners. Jonathan has helped tens of thousands of clients land offers at top companies including Google, Facebook, Amazon, LinkedIn, Cisco, and more    Lauren Berger (www.internqueen.com) CEO & Founder of both CareerQueen.com and InternQueen.com, reaching over 6 million people and connecting them with their dream careers. Lauren also has a marketing agency that helps leading brands activate brand ambassadors and establish a presence at colleges   Social Media:   Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at [e-mail] Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Follow Hala on ClubHouse: @halataha Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Halla Taha, and on Young and Profiting Podcast, we investigate a new topic each week and interview some of the brightest minds in the world. My goal is to turn their wisdom into actionable advice that you can use in your everyday life, no matter your age, profession or industry. There's no fluff on this podcast, and that's on purpose. I'm here to uncover value from my guests by doing the proper research and asking the right questions. If you're new to the show, we've chatted with the likes of XFBI agents, real estate moguls, self-made billionaires, CEOs, and bestselling authors.

Our subject matter ranges from enhanced in productivity, had to gain influence, the art of entrepreneurship, and more. If you're smart and like to continually improve yourself, hit the subscribe button, because you'll love it here at Young and Profiting Podcast. So you guys are tuning into Young and Profiting Podcast. I'm your host, Halas Ha-Ha. And today we are talking about breaking and making it in the tech industry. So for everybody tuning in, you know that the tech industry has been super strong over

the last several years. IT unemployment continues to shrink. Salaries get higher and higher every year, and innovation continues to create exciting career opportunities. In fact, in a recent survey, 86% of businesses have trouble finding tech talent, and the gap is only getting bigger and bigger. And so job opportunities are projected to grow 11% by 2029. So in this live

episode, we're going to learn about what it takes to make it in the technology industry. We're going to talk about how to stand out amongst a sea of resumes, how to ace your interview, and how to skyrocket your career once you've got your foot in the door. So I've invited five amazing panelists. Looks like one of them is not here yet, but a bunch of them are. So I'm going to introduce you guys. We have, first we have Lauren Berger, who is to the right of me. She's a CEO and founder of CareerQueen and internqueen.com. She reaches over six million people and connects them with their dream careers. And she also has a marketing agency that helps brands activate brand ambassadors

and establish a presence on colleges. Lauren is an OG in the internship and career space. So, so happy to have her here on the panel. We also have Jared Albatron. And he is one of the biggest tech influencers and moderators on Clubhouse. And since 2006, Jared has closed over $40 million in software and tech deals.

And he currently works as an account executive at Planet. We also have Christian Bordeaux here on the panel. And he has a goal to help minorities, women, students, and non-tech pros pivot and detect. He currently works at PlayStation as a senior analytics engineer. And we also have Glaze Martellano, who has joined the panel. And she is a talent acquisition expert at Facebook and Instagram. And she's also a career coach.

And she is a huge advocate for women in tech, which is great because we're definitely going to get into that on the panel. And then lastly, we have Jonathan Havier. And he is the CEO and founder of one sulking with a mission to turn underdogs into winners. Jonathan is also a huge LinkedIn influencer. And he's helped tens of thousands of clients land jobs at Google, Facebook, Amazon, LinkedIn, and more. So really happy to have this amazing panel here. We're going to have a great session all about how to land your dream job in tech. And welcome to the stage, guys.

Thank you so much for joining. And with that, I'm going to kick off the interview. OK, like how I want to open this up is to talk about all the different job opportunities available in the tech industry. When people talk tech, a lot of the times, they only think it's like about coding and IT jobs, but in reality, there's lots of different ways

you can break into the tech industry and you don't necessarily need a coding background. For instance, I work in marketing and both of my corporate jobs were in tech at Huat Packard and Disney Streaming Services. And while it was super advanced digital marketing, there's lots of different opportunities from HR to research and finance that's not necessarily all about IT that's still needed for the tech industry. So can you guys kick it off by letting us understand how big of an opportunity this is? What's the scope of the different careers that are involved in tech? And why do you think this is a great space for people to start or pivot their careers

until? Let's kick it off. We want to kick it off. All right, Christian, let's go to you. All right. So for tech, right, there are so many different types of roles in tech. And why should you get in tech is because it's kicking ass right now. And I hope I can do that on live because the jobs that you can get are just one, they're very in demand. And then two, like tech companies are on the rise, especially with COVID. So, you know, what kind of job titles can you expect to see around these things in tech,

right? So, Hala, you mentioned you're in marketing, but I have a list of job titles here from least technical to most technical in my opinion. So I put for the least technical types of roles, you can get into tech sales, you could be an account executive or a customer success manager. And there's even marketing as well. And these different fang companies, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google, Intel, Microsoft, and all these things, right?

Then the next level of, I would say, is like a business analyst, where you don't have to code as much, you just need to know Excel and some process mapping. And that's really just domain knowledge of business. Then you go up a step up, which is like a data analyst, where you're going to start using coding like SQL, Python, Tableau. And that's really just domain knowledge of business. Then you go up a step up, which is like a data analyst where you're gonna start using coding like SQL, Python, Tableau.

Then the next level up, in my opinion, is a data scientist and machine learning where you get a lot more technical. You're developing models that can predict the future. Then there's the other way where you can get into data engineering and software engineering, where this is where you just in the code. You like you just literally sit in front of your computer and make sure that code runs and it works.

And then there's also DevOps, which is development operations. And then again, they're just setting up all of these different things. So those are the job titles I think of. I'm going to pass it right back to you, Hollow. Thank you so much, Christian. I think that was super valuable. And it looks like Jared has something to add. Yeah.

So this is Jared speaking. I believe that tech is one of the best spaces to get into, even if you're not tentacle and the roles that Christian mentioned, especially around sales, account management, marketing, enablement, operations, those are less technical where you have transferable skills from any industry and transform the tech, especially if you're going into a tech industry that supports the industry you're in. So if you were in banking before, you can go into financial tech, your transferable skills will be even more accepted because you know the

lingo of finance, you know, the systems in place, you know, the problems that the technology solves. So you'll even have a step up, but the thing I love about technology that most is it's pretty recession proof. even have a step up, but the thing I love about technology that most is it's pretty recession-proof. Startup space, there's always a new startup being funded, and whenever there's recessions or things like COVID or things that impact the economy, companies use their budget to spend money on technology to increase efficiencies in automation or to increase revenues through, you know, basically AI and automation and things of that nature. So when things go bad, technology still gets spent money on, and there's business cases for it. And then, you know, these big companies like IBM and Google and Facebook just get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then these startups that

basically created become the next Facebook's in the Google. So as long as you have a great reputation within your teams and you have a great reputation with your customers, you will go a long way in the tech space and you'll always have a role available for you from my perspective in tech. This is Jared, I'm done speaking.

I think that's a really great point. And since you brought up this crossover from industry to speaking. I think that's a really great point. And since you brought up this crossover from industry to industry, I think that's really key because a lot of people have dreams of changing careers and detect, but they think it's impossible. They think that if they spent their entire career in a totally different industry like healthcare or food service, that they have no chance.

So what would you guys say to those types of people, who think that their industry kind of has locked them into that singular industry? Jonathan, what do you have to say about that? Well, I would say everybody, especially if you're trying to switch industries. So quick background about me, but I actually was in retail before.

And I always wondered, I was like, wow, how do I get into tech? Well, you find people who are in the industry you are trying to get into and you network with them. And so what I used to do all the time was I identify, for example, I'm in retail. So I would go and put past company on LinkedIn as, let's say, Coles, Ross, et cetera. And then I put the current company as a company that I start to get into. So let's just say Facebook, Google, and LinkedIn. What will happen is you'll find every single person

who is transitioned from a retail position to a tech, literally from that, and then you send them a personalized invite and then say, hey, I saw that you used to work in X, Y, Z industry, and now work in this industry. I'd love to connect. Those are the people that are more willing to speak with you and are going to be able to share your story and you can correlate directly with your own.

So I'd highly recommend doing that. Another thing too is, well, love Jared and Christian's answers. What y'all can do actually too as well is let's say that you're interested in a business analyst role. Simply search business analyst on the search bar and go to the bottom and it will say what other people have also searched. Those are also relevant fields and are very similar to the field that you actually searched.

So if business analyst is in your forte, maybe you can be something else. Christian, what do you have to say? Oh my gosh, I love this topic. How do you pivot into tech? And I think that for me, it's like my biggest story. For me, I was a professional photographer. I shot for concerts. I shot EDM and rock concerts, and I pivoted into tech

in 2019. I made a 2019. I started off like I was doing photography and I was shooting weddings and everything. I was only making around like 30, 35K a year. And for me, I was like, I loved it though, you know, getting to see my favorite artists, blah, blah, blah, but I knew I wanted something more. And something that I was always doing was I was analyzing my photo data, where my Instagram data. And I was like, dang, this is cool.

I could figure out which photos to take so I don't waste time doing other things. And that's kind of what started turning in my heads, like, all right, how can I start doing this? I started crunching numbers in Excel. And I decided like, hey, you know what? I want to do this more. Like apparently this is a job.

And I got laid off in my last job and I was just like, hey, you know what? I want to do this more. Like apparently this is a job. And I got laid off in my last job and I was just like dang, you know, I, this is the time, you know? A layoff is really just a way to get laid up, right? Layup the news thing. So I decided to go into a data analytics bootcamp. So in May 2019, I wrote my first line of code saying, hello world on Python.

And throughout that whole experience, you know, I was learning, like for me, coming from a marketing background, I got my degree in marketing. So like I knew like, okay, cool, what do I need to sound like in order to get this kind of job, right, fake it till you make it? So I joined this bootcamp and I legit wrote my resume out

before I even finished the course because I was like, all right, these are the words that I want to see. I need to see SQL in my resume, I need to see Excel, I need to show projects, and I was like, all right, these are the words that I want to see. I need to see SQL in my resume. I need to see Excel. I need to show projects. And I put fake projects there. And like then, like as I went through the course, I was able to actually like put those projects in because I had a homework assignment that you see.

Well, it's like, great. I have something that says I know SQL now. And you know, I started building this up one page resume and three months in, I had learned enough to get by and I was like, okay, cool. This is why I'm going to start applying to jobs. And I would say the biggest tip is to make sure that you craft your LinkedIn to make it look very data oriented. I made my photography job look like I was a photographer analyst.

And I just talked about like how I created a formula to take the perfect shot that artists wanted. And you know, how to shoot a certain shot and what settings to have these certain shots at, right? It was very analytical about how I phrased things. So I completely pivoted my marketing and photography background and shifted it into tech because I read so many job descriptions

and I just like this, I need to look like a model citizen for this. So after 20 interviews and 16 failed 20 in person interviews, I interviewed a lot. It was crazy. Once you get marketed out there in your LinkedIn spot on, people will call you. And I failed 16 thing. I failed Red Bull. I failed AT&T. I failed NBC, but I landed I landed three offers. I landed Mattel. I landed Wathemaker, and I landed Nike. And all three of those, it was crazy. Nike actually was offering the least amount of money, but I was able to get all three of them and negotiate and just have a bidding war. And out of that whole thing, by the time I

graduated college, I had accepted my offer at Nike for the highest price and also a senior level title, which was nuts to me. So I was able to break in because not only did I shift my whole marketing of my personal branding, but I also made sure to want to learn the skills and to showcase those skills. That is the biggest tip. If anybody's trying to pivot into tech,

I recommend to separate yourself from other people, even other coders, is have a project on your LinkedIn. And if anybody wants to visit my LinkedIn, I have the project that landed me Nike. And you guys can take it, do whatever you want with it, take my photo off, put your photo on, but eventually you're gonna have to explain what's going on.

But I think that is one of the most important things when you're trying to pivot, whether you're coming from healthcare, construction, food service, I came from photography, which is one of the farthest things away from data analytics, and I was able to pivot in 2019. And now, I'm at PlayStation, where they just made a better offer. And once you're in tech, you're in for life, I feel like, because everybody's just going

to hit you up with offers. Like, once you get in and you stay somewhere for a year, they're just going to want everybody's going to fight over you. You have Google, Facebook, all of these people are fighting over me and it's just kind of, it's nice. And I think that everybody should be able to get these types of things. And now I make over 200 K a year, which like I went from 30 K to over 200 and it's just like, damn, this is crazy.

So this is Christian and that's my story. Oh my gosh. What a great story about pivoting. And I totally agree. It is all about the lingo. When I was working at Hewlett Packard, I was in marketing and it was super old fashioned marketing. Like we were not doing anything advanced and I remember Disney streaming services reached out

to me on LinkedIn from my personal brand on LinkedIn, which we'll talk about in a bit about why that's so important. They reached out to me because of my podcast and they're like, we're starting a new streaming service. You have podcasting experience, be like your background, you know, come in. And I remember before my interview, I was studying like crazy, the streaming industry because I knew that part of the puzzle of getting that job was to know the lingo, to talk

their talk. And I had no idea about subscriber acquisition or retention or anything like that. I literally learned about it and then had the acumen and the lingo to talk like I knew what I was talking about during the interview and they hired me. And it was all about studying the lingo and knowing the language that people talk. I think that's really like half the battle. Okay. So you brought up a lot of skills, Christian. So let's pivot into skills. Can you guys tell me what you think the most in-demand skills are right now in 2021

when it comes to tech? All right, the reason why I know these four skills is because I did a whole analysis on LinkedIn where I scraped every single job description around data scientist, data analyst, and data engineer. And these four skills came up. In order, in the way I would learn it is Excel, SQL, that's SQL, Tableau, or a data visualization that's like Power BI, Google Data Studio, and the last would be Python.

Those are the four most common technological things you can learn, and trust me, those four things are each of them are a rabbit hole. If you could just learn those four put those four in your resume I think that's going to be a killer resume also projects I think those are really good Jonathan. What do you think? Totally good that too as well. I think sequel and excel are two platforms that are definitely utilize especially in Technical fields like when I was at working at Google and Cisco, I utilized those on a daily. I would say to his, well, everybody, if you were trying to gain skills in those particular fields,

always remember like, I get the question all the time in which people are like, wow, like how do I even increase my skills in these fields? You can, number one, do your own project. So like last year, when everyone's jobs were getting affected by COVID-19, we had this Wonsultank Project 2020, where people were able to create their own projects

based off their passions and what skills they wanted to strengthen. So a lot of people actually utilize SQL and Excel to make a lot of different databases, et cetera, and actually present it to us in some senior leaders at different companies. So always remember you can make your own projects, and then also too as well, if you want to increase your skills,

talk to folks like Christian or individuals who are on LinkedIn. And ultimately, if you're able to do that, you'll be able to gain those skills and learn more about how they do it on their day-to-day. Yeah, 100%. OK, guys, so let's move on to talk about the job hunt. And the pandemic has really shaped the recruitment space in a negative way. I mean, so many people have lost their jobs, so many people have been furloughed.

What kind of challenges do the unemployed in particular face right now? And I'd love to hear from Lauren or Glaze or folks that haven't spoken up yet. What do you guys see in terms of the pandemic and the environment that we're in and some of the challenges that unemployed folks face right now. In terms of the job landscape, look, I think it's no secret that it's rough. Everybody knows that and like you said, how there's been so many people that have unfortunately lost their jobs, et cetera.

That being said, the other side of it is that so many companies are hiring. Every time I hear someone tell me they can't get a job, the next conversation I have is about how many job opportunities are open. I know that at my organization, in Turinquian, we're hiring for a junior level community and content coordinator position.

We're hiring for a paid summer internship position. We're hiring for a social and marketing manager position. And I'll tell you, it hasn't been any easier to hire now Then it was two years ago. So I do think there's still a disconnect and there are still a lot of great opportunities out there Accessibility is also something really interesting. I Hosted a panel the other day with a big marketing executive and so what that tells me is if a legacy brand like Ford is rethinking virtual work. A lot of other companies are of course gonna be thinking

that as well. And that's kind of exciting because that means that people might not have to choose between being near family or being near opportunity. So I think that's gonna be really interesting. And pivotal change, you know, change things up a bunch of us over the next five years. All right. So anybody else have anything to add in terms of the pandemic and the job landscape? Maybe Jonathan, do you have anything to add there? I have you, buddy. The job search is a total mental game. I think what happens is there's so many different happy to announce posts on LinkedIn that we exhibit in Posters and you're because we think we're not good enough because we see all

these posts and we're like, dang, like, I wish that was me. And I remember when I was on my job search and I was about to graduate from college and I didn't have a job lined up, but I knew for a fact that one day maybe I would make it into my career. So for all of you who are still on your job search and who are listening to this right now, just know at the end of the day, number one, you only need one yes and one job. One thing that people, what happens is you'll reach out to many different folks and they won't respond, right? But the thing is, do you focus on the people who don't respond or you focus on the people who do? The mindset

is to ultimately focus on people who don't respond and be like, damn, not good enough when in fact, focus on the people who do. And fortunately, you have six folks here on this panel who are people who always respond and help others. So that's one part. Nothing too as well. If you see this happy to announce post everybody, go look at the people who they tagged. Now, why say this is because the people that they tagged are the hiring managers and recruiters for the roles that help them get to that position. So for example, if I say this is because the people that they tagged are the hiring managers and recruiters for the roles that help them get to that position. So for example, if I saw something from a business analyst for Facebook and I saw that they

tagged the actual recruiter hiring manager, I would actually reach out to them and be like, hey, I saw that you got Glaze a job at Facebook. I'd love to connect and hear more about what you look for in candidates because you never know if they have another opportunity waiting at the door for you. I think that's an absolutely exceptional point. So everybody has been in fact affected by the pandemic, but in particular, I think women and minorities have really, really been impacted. In fact, I saw a stat that employers in the U.S. cut 140,000 jobs in December. And apparently all of them were women.

I don't know how this is possible. I had to like double check this tab, but all of the jobs lost in December in the US were women. It's pretty crazy. And so what do minorities, black, Latino, women, what do they need to be doing differently when it comes to the job hunt? Is there something in particular that they should be doing differently?

Let's go to Christian. I have a really good example for this one. So once I finished my whole bootcamp, you know, my mom saw like the craziness, like I was able to break six figures before she was and she works professionally in HR. And I was telling her like, look, mom, look, all these cool dashboards I'm making, I'm making HR dashboards. And she was like, dang, I want to do the same exact thing. So she got into the boot camp and what we're doing with her is,

we're doing the same exact thing I just said. It's like no matter what, make a project, pivot your, um, your LinkedIn and really just leave with the projects because we have a resume already and just put yourself out there. Again, just like Jonathan said, this is a mental game. This is like, you have to be able to like just go out there and start interviewing and start taking a test. Do your first whiteboarding session, start studying for it. And once again, I failed 16 interviews. Like, I think those 16 interviews were everything I needed to know that like, hey, this is how I should be prepared for an interview. I wish I did some kind of like prep work,

like actually like going through and doing a sequel, like test. But I failed a bunch of them and I got the experience from that. And so with my mom, what I'm doing with her is doing that. And now she's actually already broke six figures and it's nuts. I don't want to just put her down to say how old she is, but she's older, she's Asian, and she's a woman. And so I would consider that a minority, but she got a tech job. And now she works at a tech company,

making six figures, doing those things that we learn in the boot camp and also just showcasing that skill set in a clear and concise manner. And another really cool thing too, is it's like cool, mom, like now you're getting a taste of this and we're actually able to go now with clubhouse, right? How can you use clubhouse to break into the tech industry?

And I just want to definitely shout out Jarrett. Jarrett runs these amazing recruiter rooms where he puts all of these recruiters glaze, that's where I met glaze. And you know, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google, everybody, Intel, Microsoft, and they put them all into one room. So then that way, like, they can say,

hey, we have data analyst positions open, feel free to hit me up, and like you skipped the ATS, go straight to them, they put you to the recruiter, and next thing you know, you're talking to somebody the next day. And, you know, I think that's a big clubhouse hack is go to Jared's rooms, because people are getting jobs there.

And with hers, my mom is currently in this next set of, the final steps of this interview. And it's crazy, the salaries are just so much higher. And it's seriously a life hack. To get into tech is a life hack, because you do a whole lot less work. Initially, it's a learning curve. But afterwards, it becomes something that you can just do. Seriously, a life hack to get into tech is a life hack because you do a whole lot less work. Initially, it's a learning curve,

but afterwards, it becomes something that you can just do. So, yes, for within. Yep, yep. Sorry, I was just gonna agree that it really is a life hack and these companies just have more budget for higher salaries, like that's really it, right? The salaries are just generally higher because there's less risk involved with a company

because they're just more lucrative and they're making more profits. So, Jared, I'd love to pivot to you since Christian brought up two things that I want to talk about. The first one is that tech is not just for young people. Old people can pivot into tech. So I do want to talk about some tips for older folks who are not fresh out of college to get into tech. And then, Jared, let's go to you first. Let's talk about how you've been using Clubhouse to connect job seekers to recruiters and maybe some success stories that you've seen happen in your rooms. Yeah, no, thank you.

And this is Jared speaking. So first of all, most of the question about like what do minorities and women, you know, need to think about when navigating the tech space. Number one is just they need to feel empowered, confident, and just know that they belong. They're wanted, and there is a space for them. And that's been my biggest mission on Clubhouse. It's just to really inspire people to say, look, they are looking for us. And we just have to make ourselves available.

And here are the entry paths into tech. So, you know, I came on clubhouse with like 80 followers in December. I've been in tech for 15 years now, I started off at IBM and then worked with startups and I've been an enterprise software sales executive. So, you know, meeting with CTO, CFOs, chief revenue officers, figuring out what are the big pain points and their most expensive initiatives and then show them how we can bring a solution to them and then execute it through the implementation, show them the increase in results in ROI and then they basically buy and end around the organization.

So I bring that up because sales is such a great entryway and a tech where you can have no tech experience, but if you have a little bit of sales experience or if you just have the ability to show somebody, I can work hard, I'm solution oriented, I can research, and I can just hustle. You can get in as a sales development rep or a business development rep, you know, basically set up meetings for an account executive that's experienced at account executive will teach you the ropes and then from there You can move up the ladder to where you have a six-figure salary You can have you know on target earnings between quarter million to three hundred thousand dollars

And I know some account executives out of made, you know seven figure W2s But once you get in via text sales then you can migrate over into account management Or you can learn those things that Christian was talking about and also get mentored by people on other teams, whether it's engineering or UI UX, business analyst, et cetera, and you can go ahead and make that pivot, especially in startups where you can be more nimble within the organization

because you have access to leadership. But in terms of the rooms, I mean, basically what I've been doing is just trying to decrease the barrier for people to get into tech by getting folks like Glaze, Christian, and other people that have decision-making power in the rooms with them to say, here are the roles we're looking for,

and here are the skills we're looking for so that people that look like me, more women, LGBTQ, etc. that might not be easily searchable and findable for recruiters and LinkedIn can hop on the stage and make themselves president. And because, you know, my algorithm initially with Clubhouse, I was only seeing African Americans and I was mainly an African American clubs. I've been able to really help people get jobs through these rooms and we've had at least 10 to 15 people

get jobs from clubhouse and I'll just kind of wrap it up here so everybody has a chance to talk. Getting into tech is all about your network. And if you're outside of tech and it's hard to get the network, so with clubhouse, it allows you to basically accelerate your access to network because most jobs are not even posted on Indeed or LinkedIn. They're usually given out to employees to refer to people within their network because they're like if Christian

They refer somebody they're probably going to be great and that's only going to help PlayStation So my biggest thing for anybody trying to get it in a tech is Network and get referrals why referrals so powerful Because referrals get you past the Abathokin tracking system, which can be a black hole where you get thrown out because your resume has some words that don't fit the algorithm. And now it can be personally handed to the hiring manager from somebody like Christian or Glaze or Jonathan that everybody respects.

And not only is it that going to be an advantage for you, but another advantage is Christian, Jonathan, and Glaze may be motivated because they'll get a $3,000 to $5,000 bonus because you get hired. So they're going to help you with your resume. They're going to help you with the interview process. They're going to talk to the hiring manager about, hey, Jared, the person I referred you to, is any awesome, you should definitely hire them. Because when I get hired, they get a trip to Dubai, or they get a buy some extra Bitcoin, or they get to take their kids to Disney World. So the key to getting the tech is networking, and the key to networking is confidence being prepared, and knowing that you belong.

And that's what I try to do with Clubhouse is utilize it as a way to network with the decision makers, and also help them feel empowered about, here's as a way to network with the decision makers, and also help them fill in power to about, here's how you get in, and you are enough, and you do belong. So let's get you in here. And I just want to announce, I no longer have planet. I actually launched a staffing firm called DEI Staffing

Stensware Diversity Equity Inclusion. And it's my main purpose is to get more diversity equity inclusion in tech. And because the clubhouse and my access to such a diverse network of people trying to get into the tech I really do feel like the staffing firm is going to be groundbreaking and I'm excited for joy to get on the app. I'm excited for the LinkedIn creative program and other ways that we can get the word out that hey we have a lot of amazing talented people that are outside of tech looking to get in and let's just pull your hands out and pull them up and in

and let's change the landscape of technology. So yeah, this is Jared, I'm done speaking. Oh my gosh, congratulations, Jared, on your new company. That's so exciting. I had no idea, so congrats on that. So let's continue this along. You guys brought up networking. So maybe that's the best place to go to next.

When it comes to networking and keeping in touch, it's all about the right people that you meet. Like you said, Jared, it's all about getting that referral. So what are the best networking tips that you guys have? Maybe let's kick this off with Jonathan. I know you have a million network tips. So I'm going to kick it off to you. And then hopefully we can hear from Lauren or Glaze as well.

Yeah. This is a great topic. So I think the most important thing is this is going to sound so silly and simple is literally asking. Now what do I say this? I think what happens, especially for those who come from underrepresented backgrounds that we're afraid to ask because we self-reject ourselves. And we think that people, for example, will say, no, I don't want to refer you or no, I don't want to help you. What I say all the time is, if you never ask, you never know.

And if you never ask the answers, always know. Remember what Christian was saying in regards to referrals? Employees of these companies get paid to refer you. Always remember that. And what Jared said in regards to getting to that Ruffle pipeline is extremely important to do so because you don't want to be like everybody else which is simply just applying to the different roles.

But how do you get referred? So one thing what I would say is find a common ground with somebody, this is so important. And one thing like we mentioned before, woman in tech, everybody go on LinkedIn and you'll notice that there's so many woman in tech if you actually look at that glaze is profile on her about section It literally has to hashtag woman in tech go search woman in tech hashtag go to post and you'll find all the people Who have posted about being a woman in tech go network with them if you're a woman in tech connect with them say hey I loved your post about xZ. I'd love to connect. It's exactly how you're able to build

rapport, especially with these individuals. Another thing as well is going to events like these and looking at people in the crowd and connecting with them are linked in. But not only events, these events, but go to LinkedIn events, and this is what I used to do all the time, I would search whichever company I was interested in. Let's just say Facebook. I go to Facebook, I'd filter the events. I would go attend an event that was hosted by Facebook and then I go to attendees and then I'd filter it to Facebook employees.

So I'd see all the Facebook employees attending the event, which was the same event I was attending. And then I would reach out to them and be like, hey, like I saw that you're going to be speaking at the event or you're going to be attending the event, which I am to as well. But you'll see how I establish that common ground. You find common ground with everything, anything. Sometimes that common ground is simply that you are both human.

Always remember, there's common ground with anybody you reach out to or you never work with. Great, great tips, Jonathan. And I really, really liked you also bringing up the fact of community. Just joining a community like women in tech, there's so many different groups out there. I'm sure there's like Asians in techs, Black in techs, Arabs in tech, whatever it is, there's groups out there that you can join and people will want to help you, especially because you guys have that common ground, right? So I think that's an incredible hack. Thank you so much, Jonathan. Anybody else want to give their networking tips?

I know you guys are super networkers. Let's go to Lauren and then Glaze. Hey, hey everybody. So in terms of networking tips, I think number one, if someone says how have, so I've, by life, I run intern queen. I've been an, if someone says how have I, so I've, by the way, I run intern queen, I've been an entrepreneur for almost 13 years, I've never raised any money, so I've done it the good old fashioned hard work in hustle way. But when people say, how come you've been successful,

it's not because I'm the most talented at anything specifically, right? In the land, it's because my follow-up game is pretty killer, right? Meaning that when I meet someone, you bet your bottom dollar, I'm gonna follow up with them. And I try, like, we all do to walk that line between, you know, being persistent, yet annoying, but I think it's up to all of us to really advocate for ourselves and put ourselves out there. And I think my follow-up game, specifically with, like, if I'm pitching someone and sending a cold email, if that person doesn't respond, which they're probably not going to, right? Because the percentage of cold emails that get responded to are pretty low. It is

my job to follow up and then to follow up again and then to follow up again. And some of my large scale business deals have been people that I've had to follow up with maybe 11 times over the course of two years because they just, you know, they were busy and they didn't need my services at the time. So I think I think a strong follow up game is definitely key. would be like Jonathan said just taking advantage of all the free events right now. There's so many great events and so many of them are Have you know free offerings obviously on clubhouse? I'm at intern queen. We always have events. So if you are interested in events We have a tech event coming up next Tuesday with tech execs from Google Disney and Adidas If you want to attend just DM me and I'll send you the link, but there are so many opportunities like that.

And like this, right, where you can connect with people. So if I were you guys, and you know, I'm gonna be looking up Christian, I'm gonna be looking up Jared's rooms and glazed and Jonathan after this. And I'm gonna be trying to connect with them on LinkedIn and on following them on Clubhouse, which I've already done, but everyone listening should definitely do the same.

So don't underestimate the value of any contact you have. 100%. I love that follow up game. Super strong over there, Lauren. Let's hit it to Glaze. What is your best networking tips? Hi, everybody. Thanks so much for having me.

First of all, Hallein, everybody has said so many great things and advice. Jared, Lauren, Jonathan, Christian, such a great panel of people tonight. So a couple of things that I wanted to also share, I think the most important thing is to get comfortable networking online. I know that it's not for everybody. I'm like what I would probably call myself like an introvert extrovert. I know that it's not for everybody. I'm like, what I would probably call myself like an introvert extrovert, you know, at a party it's kind of like, oh, I want to go home now. Like I get in there for 10 minutes. I'm like, no, no, no, I can't talk to people. I need to go home now. So in a way, virtually networking has been like a big game changer for me because I feel like

for a lot of people, once you get comfortable, you can really find that confidence to speak to people just because for me, it's helped in a way where it's not so much face to face. There's not a lot of like body language really happening, especially if it's over the phone. So I would say getting comfortable and the way to do that is you can ace your virtual informational interview or a networking check really just by practicing with a friend. Have your friend ask you questions and then give you feedback on your delivery. I think that can really give you a lot of information on how you or body languages, how you're speaking with people.

And then another thing I think that Lauren's also mentioned is having that like great follow up game. So staying in touch with people, you want to take advantage of the job market right now by really getting clarity about where you want to work and the type of role and title that you are really seeking. So making sure that you do have that document, that list, your target industry, the companies, the job titles, especially if you want to break into tackle pivot into a specific career. Think about more broadly the career that you want and then start to stay in touch with

people. The biggest thing about getting in touch with people is making sure you're talking to them on a human level and not making it seem like you just want advice from them and there's no way that you can help them. So making sure that you touch base with them on a human level and letting them know that you are here to make a genuine connection. Yeah, I think that's a great point.

Like don't go reach out to them and like immediately ask them for a favor, get to know them, engage on their content, and then maybe ask them for a favor once they've kind of like vetted you out and you've had a few touch points with them I think that's a great point young and profitors do you have a brilliant business idea, but you don't know how to move forward with it Going into debt for a four-year degree isn't the only past to success instead learn everything you need to know about running a business for free by listening to the millionaire university podcast the millionaire University Podcast is a show that's changing the game for aspiring entrepreneurs.

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I would go there and people would just think I was this like stupid girl And I never got a job and I never knew why like I really really wanted a job And I just couldn't get my foot in the door and the recruitment space sometimes seems like a black hole You know and like you could just be applying applying applying getting nowhere getting no calls applying, applying, applying, getting nowhere, getting no calls. Can you guys peel back the onion in terms of behind the scenes in the recruitment world? Like, what really goes on? And how can we optimize our resumes and everything that we do

so that we actually do get callbacks? What goes on behind the curtain in the recruitment world? Glaze, I'd love to hear from you, or Jonathan, or Lauren, or Jared, or even Christian, if you have any idea, but what goes on behind the scenes? Let's go to glaze and then Christian It's hard because I'm like 50 50 I really really truly believe in every candidate I get a chance to speak to and

Any candidate that I do get a chance to be on the phone with I I do my due diligence and I do take an interest because that's how I started in this industry. I started off as an 18-year-old starting, you know, my finance degree and I was like, okay, I need a summer job, I need to make money and I started basically calling different types of people from different industries, finance, tech, and that's when I actually started recruiting for research emotion, hiring for Blackberry. And I said, wow, this is so interesting. I love what people are doing. How do they get from here?

How do they get from there? What are these skills? And so for me, as I started to learn more, there's two parts. There's the agency industry. And then there's the recruiter that you get to talk to that works directly for the company.

And in both areas, I did feel an immense amount of pressure to make sure that I'm delivering on the client side, but also, you know, making sure that any person that I do talk to from the candidate side that they have a great experience. So I get when candidates get really bummed out, thinking, oh wow, that recruiter didn't get back to me. I applied, it's a black hole. So I do go out of my way to give that extra info wherever I can, that extra two minute chat, if I can.

I am a human being. I do get hit with a ton of questions. I look at my LinkedIn right now, and I get really scared of looking at the messages that I have. But I do try my best to steer you in the right direction. And the best way you can really get a recruiters attention is if you are trying to connect with them, you send them a very, very short, very specific ask in your email, or I would say like a LinkedIn email. I don't generally like to look at my email. It's full of other things that are like internal,

candid, really related. So if you do get a chance to speak with somebody like a recruiter, just make sure you're asking them to be LinkedIn. A very specific ask like, hey, Gleys, like I'm trying to apply to this role. Can you let me know what the status is? Or I'm looking to break into this area.

What can I do to change that? Anything specific, that is better for me than like a big question where I know I'm going to have to like take 30 minutes out of my day to talk to you. And I'm sorry, but I am one person. And I also have family, I have a daughter. And then on top of that, I have to make sure I do well on my job. So I just want to make sure it's easier for me when you catch my eye, when I catch your message for five seconds. Oh, okay, I can

really help this person really quickly. Let me see what I can do to help them. Yeah, I think that totally makes sense. How about resumes, guys? How important is a resume when you're applying? How do people actually... They must be getting thousands and thousands of applications. There's no way that these recruiters are reading all of these resumes or even the hiring managers. So what's the mechanics behind that? That's what I wanted to really get to. Let's go to Christian and then anybody else who wants to answer. I don't know. we should pass it to Glaze. Glaze is the technical worker to go for it. Yeah. Yeah, so the name of the game is to really get in there

as soon as you can. So if you have your LinkedIn or indeed set up for career alerts, that's the best way and to apply to it. And then go look on LinkedIn, see who the recruiter is. Most of the time, like if you see on my LinkedIn page, I do share which business I support. And I always do for every company that I've worked with just so that it's easier for people who are looking

because it can get very, like, you know, you'll go to a company and you'll see there's like five talent recruiters and it's like, okay, what business do they support? And more than half of the time, they do support a specific business. And so go look for that, let them know, let the recruiter know, hey, like blah, blah, blah, blah, I've applied to this role. I think I'm a great fit because do a short summary, attach that. And that's a great way.

And then go look to see who you have that works, that company and see if you can get a referral. That is really the best way setting up those career alerts, making sure you're getting in there right at the top of the game. And I can't speak for everybody, but when I was working at Law Blot and I was working on the IT rules myself, I would probably get all the applications for the first,

like for example, a business analyst, I'm getting 300 applications and literally probably like five days. It's a lot for me to look at. And so what I do is, for the first, I would say a couple of days, I would look at the resumes, I would look at each and everyone, I don't know how other recruiters do it, maybe they'll say, I go do a control search find, there's like something in the system where they look at scale. Okay, I only want to look at people with job buying the resume.

I actually look at every resume because I don't want to miss anything because people write their resumes differently. And then I want to be able to look at their LinkedIn profile. So if you do have your resume, make sure that your LinkedIn profile is also LinkedIn there in your resume. So if I'm looking at those, I would say like the first hundred people I'm looking at, and then I'm really getting inundated because there's a lot of other things that are happening

at the same time with other roles that I'm working on. I'm doing pre-screens. I'm setting up interviews. So the best way you're going to be able to get a recruiter's attention is to get a referral. Internally at Facebook, if you get a referral, it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna get an interview, but you're definitely going to get to the top of the pile within like five days, and it is going to get looked

at by a recruiter. That is a definite yes. Awesome, awesome tips. Let's go to Jonathan. What are your, what's your like insight in terms of what goes on behind the scenes when it comes to resumes and maybe your tips for having a great resume? Yeah, I totally agree with Blaze. I'll give to actually number one, make sure you're reaching out to like, if you're going

to reach out to Recuder, make sure it's the right one. And why say this is because I actually didn't even know this before like six years ago, but I used to reach out to technical recoupers and I'm not technical right technical recoupers recruit for technical roles. Right. So if you're a student, it's university recoupers right if you're in leadership roles leadership recoupers, honestly search it on LinkedIn and go find those folks who are specifically recruiting for those roles. And like glazezed said, on her profile, you can actually see exactly what she's recruiting for, which is leadership, software engineering, and product management, I believe, last time I checked. So that's number one. Number two, I totally agree with the referred part, and I'll actually break down kind of the, I call it the four tiers of applying by one sold thing. This is actually what we have got us on Forbes, but consider this. So for example, let's say Glazer said you got 300 applications for a business analyst role at Facebook.

That's tier four. How many people do you think actually apply to business analyst roles at Facebook? Let's just say 300. Let's say in a week, it's 2000. How many people actually get referred? So someone referred by, let's just say a software engineer at Facebook, maybe like 50, right? But the thing is there's actually two other tiers that people don't know about, which is number tier two, which is the hiring team member.

So it's someone who's actually on the team who's hiring. How many people do you think are recommended by them? Maybe like five. And then last but not least, the actual hiring manager. How many people do you think are recommended by them? If you were a recruiter, what would you look at first, the one who gets recommended by the hiring manager or the application? How many positions are they recruiting for? Probably like one or two. You see what I mean?

So what happens and why I'm sharing this is because do you want to be in the pool of 2000 or do you want to be in the pool of less than 50? And that's the strategy that I would say. And last but not least, everybody, if you have a friend that works at one of these companies, remember that they have internal access to the company, aka, if they go to the job description or job wreck, they can see exactly where the recruiter hired manager is. Great job. Okay, so I'm going to kick it over to Jared. Jared, can you talk to us about the importance of keywords in your resume? Does that matter or is that a myth?

Yeah, and I'll definitely kick it over to Glaze if she has any more insight from a recruiter's standpoint. But one thing that's really important is to actually match up your resume verbiage to the job description. So when the job description has some lines and there's some vernacular that it's included, see if you can authentically keyword authentically reverse engineer some of that wording into your resume so that if they are going through the applicant tracking system

and they're looking for certain keywords, like sales or marketing or business analyst or et cetera, at least you will get past that phase. There's a website called jobscanter.co where you get a couple of free passes where you can put your resume through a job scanner to see if it actually passes. That way you can avoid that feeling of rejection because you're not even passing the first phase of the applicant tracking system, which is really an algorithm that just looks out for certain keywords and they may not even get you to glazes desk if you don't match that. So that's

a good place to kind of just test out. Is my resume actually making it through the applicant tracking system or not? But you got to be authentic about your experience obviously, but if you can make some of the wording match up with the job description, you're going to be exponentially in a better place of getting through the applicant tracking system. Cristian, do you want to add to that? Yeah, definitely. So I want to explain just for everybody out there, how recruiting works, just three buckets that your resume needs to optimize for.

So the first bucket is ATS or applicant tracking system. Then the next one is the recruiter. Then the last one is the hiring manager. So ATS, so this is how the flow works. If there's a thousand resumes, it goes to the applicant tracking system and the applicant tracking system, we'll just drop resumes that don't fit the formatting.

For example, if you go through Adobe Photoshop, you export it as an image, they're just going to drop it. Some readers just can't read it. It's just not meant to read photos. So beware of that. So let's say a thousand applicants go through this applicant tracking system. It's going to get cut down to like maybe like a hundred that actually like pass through. And then from that, the recruiter is going to look at those hundred and like, okay, cool. How many of these hundred applicants do I actually want to send over to a hiring manager, right?

You don't want to send too many because essentially you want to do the work, right? You want to do the front end work. This person's gonna take the hundred and then probably pick maybe let's say, picks 50 calls, let's just say 50 of them. Honestly, that sounds like a high number to me. And maybe glaze, you can definitely pick it on that.

So they call these 50, they screen them out. And they're like, hmm, I have a really good 10 people that I want to showcase to a hiring manager. So then that hiring manager gets those 10 applications. And from those 10 applications, they're like, okay, cool. This person seems good, this person seems good. And they might not choose all 10. Maybe they'll choose two or three. And so that's kind of like how the system works. So

now, if that's the system, how do we get the most out of it? So this ATS system, right? That's filtering, you know, like 10% of all of this, like only the top 10% are coming out of it. So, if you could completely skip the ATS and go straight to the recruiter. You have an extremely higher chance of making it. That's why when we're saying, hey, get this referral, go for it. I'm actually going to give a little freebie here. If you guys want to be referred to PlayStation, if you're in the crowd right now, I would say go to my bios, scroll the way down, and I'm going to say this for the podcast. If you want to work at PlayStation, I have a referral link that will go take you straight to the recruiter.

And I currently have 90 people from Clubhouse in there and it's very exciting time. So it's bitly bitbyt.ly-ch-ps-ref-er-al. It's bitly-ch-ps-referral. referral, and with that you get to go straight to the top. So if you want to work at PlayStation, that is the way to go. And yeah, they do give us a kickback, so it's a win-win situation. And yeah, pretty much you want to optimize for each one of those things. So I'm going to just talk a little bit more about this.

So you have to optimize for the ATS. The ATS is looking at keywords, right? Essentially, what's your resume, what you can do is just put all the keywords there multiple times and your, it'll work really well, right? But once a recruiter sees that, they're going to be like, what is this gobbledy book? Why is this like zero, um, indents and, you know, the margins are zero and it's just a bunch of words. It looks like the matrix, right? Like that would trick the ATS system, but it's not gonna trick a recruiter.

So you need to make sure that your keywords line up to the job description and they line up to what a recruiter would want. So you have to fill those two buckets, right? So once you fill those two buckets, then it's like, okay, so I have this super awesome resume that's keyworded, it's matching the job description, but then you even have to go one step deeper. It's like, all right, the hiring manager, right? This is where you have to learn about the

hiring manager with the recruiter. And this is where that resume piece comes in. We're like, hey, not only do you have to match these keywords, but you have to show proof that you have added value to an organization. And that's where resume writing goes in. And that's a whole other room, for sure, like how to write an effective resume, you know, using action words and showcasing how you help the business. And that's what's going to really help a recruiter, I'm sorry, a hiring manager, like really pull the trigger on you to get to interview you, right? That's just like a resume is just to get you the interview.

That's what a resume is for and also give you a little passive out it. You have to ace the interview as well. So that is like the whole overview of that. And once I understood that, I was like, oh my gosh, this is why professional branding is so important because, you know, when you're first impression of you, is your LinkedIn and your resume? And you have to understand that whole flow. I mean, you don't have to, like, I'm telling it to you.

But if you, that's why all these tips is kind of puts it into perspective, like why you need to do those things. So this is Christian and I'm done speaking. Christian, that was so value packed. This is the point of young and profiting podcasts. It's all about actionable content that you can implement in your life

and you really, really broke it down. That's what I was looking for when I was saying, like what's going on behind the scenes? And it's true, like it's all about the keywords. And you brought something up that was really important. And that's your personal brand. So for me, there was a point in my life when I was struggling trying to get a job. And then I got a job.

And then I started this personal brand on LinkedIn. And then all of a sudden, the recruiters were coming to me. Nothing changed. I was still the same hardworking person. It's just that I grew a personal brand on LinkedIn, and then instead of me having to look for a job, all of a sudden it would be recruiters in my inbox every day, asking me if I was interested in opportunities.

So instead of going after the job, the jobs were going after me. So that's a really cool shift. And so let's talk about the importance of a personal brand. Does anybody here wanna talk about why of a personal brand. Does anybody here want to talk about why having a personal brand and positioning yourself as an expert is key when you're trying to get a new job and be a desirable job applicant?

Anybody want to speak to that? I volunteer Jonathan. Jonathan, let's go. Thanks, Christian. But honestly, personal brand brands so important nowadays because For example everybody you see everybody on this panel here like When you think of hola, what do you think of you think of poly her podcast right when you think of Jared What do you think of you think of someone who's always giving back to the community hosting some of the biggest sessions?

Etc. What do you think about Christian Christians the Gary V of technology and he technology, and he loves to help minorities, women, and people in tech. And you also have seen that he still cares about giving his referral link to all of you for free, right? Same thing with Glaze to as well, right? Glaze, you know that she is a woman in tech that she loves helping diverse folks, et cetera, right? And she's all about diversity. Do you all know how I found that out about every single person?

I actually looked at everybody's LinkedIn right before this for five minutes. I actually wrote down about five paragraphs for each one paragraph for each person. And why I'm telling you this is because a personal brand reflects who you are. It's seen on your LinkedIn. What you want to do is very important in your about section. You want to describe yourself in regards to who you really are. What's your story is when people go to your profile, what do they think of? Do they think of, oh my gosh, I want to hire this person? Or do they think, oh, this profile is empty? I'm going to

go skip it. One way you can always improve your LinkedIn profile to improve your personal brand is go search, want something Wendyulting Wendy, on LinkedIn, and you'll find an actual profile with everything in there. It's free. It's a fake account. It's just a person we made at want-sulting, but literally has everything that you should have in your profile. So make sure that, think about your LinkedIn profile

as being your personal brand, but also your resume. When someone looks at your resume, are they going to look at it more than six seconds? Or are they just gonna look at six seconds and then put it to the side? So that's why it's important to go that personal brand. And then last but not least, cross post everybody. I love cross posting on multiple platforms.

Like on LinkedIn, for example, I make a LinkedIn post. And then in my comments, I'll say, you wanna see more, go to my Instagram. Then on my Instagram, I'll make a LinkedIn post, and then in my comments, I'll say, you wanna see more, go to my Instagram. Then on my Instagram, I'll be like, oh, you wanna see more, reels, go to my TikTok. Then on TikTok, I'll say, you wanna see more TikTok videos, go to YouTube.

Cross-post, because then you're able to grow everywhere on multiple platforms. And I'll say YouTube, go to Clubhouse. See what I mean? Everything is basically connected together. And when you connect everything together, that strengthens your personal brand, which allows opportunities to come to you instead of you always having to seek opportunities. Boom, that was perfect, Jonathan. Jared or Christian, do you guys want to talk about growing your

personal brand on Clubhouse and how you guys were able to do that and why you guys think that might be beneficial for job seekers? Yeah, I can touch on that. And before I even get into clubhouse, just talking about like tech brand in terms of just you as an employee, once you land a job in tech, be very, very intentional about how everybody feels about you while you're there and then when you leave because in tech, it's all about back channeling. Every single job that I got was from somebody I worked with in the past that said, you know, you've got to bring Jared because he's consistent, he's a team player, everybody loves working with them,

and he hits his numbers. And the thing about sales that I love is that it's not subjective, it's a varied numbers driven game, which is why I really, you know, say everybody should, if you want to get in tech, think about sales because you can have metrics on your resume that are just more powerful than any sort of jargon. You know, 150% of meetings booked per quota, you know, 200% of revenue for Q1. All these numbers on the resume is a brand of this person's dependable and I want them and I have been applied for a job at 15 years

I just wanted to say that But more importantly you have to make sure that your management your teammates the people that support you They all feel are appreciated as you go through your success at the company So I my brand was anytime I closed a huge deal at the organization, I shot it out the SDR, I shot it out marketing, I shot it out, customer success, I shot it out of everybody so that when I'm looking for roles and I reach out to them, they are more than happy to help me because I helped them within their career by building up their brands, by giving them the success that I achieved whenever I was at a company. So I just wanted to say that real quickly about just tech brand.

In terms of clubhouse brand, it's really just about contributing value wherever you can bring it. So for me, it's let me be a connector and connect you to the thought leaders within U.A. UX, an engineering and data science and business analyst. Let me be the person that finds them in the crowd, looks at the bio, oh they work as a cybersecurity specialist in Deloitte. Let me pull you up, let me moderate you, let me big you up and let me

give you the stage. So just basically being that person that always helps others one find opportunities or create their own brands, what that does is it creates relationships that will lead to a lot of brands. What that does is it creates relationships that will lead to a lot of opportunities. So Clubhouse is a great place to do that, but you have to be more intentional about helping people and bringing people up and putting people on versus how can I get put on.

So I'll leave it at that. I'll pass it to Christian. All right, for those that don't know, Jared is the Goat of tech on clubhouse. And I have been nicknamed the baby goat of tech. And yep, there was my goat laugh right there. And yeah, so pretty much building up your brand is exactly what Jared said, right? Add value to your space.

So if you're a software engineer, come out here. There's a lot of software engineers like junior software engineers that are going through boot camps and they need help. Like they like for me, I was lucky when I went to school. I was in person. So I got to actually talk to my teachers, sit down next to them. If I needed help with work, they would help me. And they're like, I would describe the situation and be like, all right, so I have this, I have this. How do I get to this? They would be able to break it down, right? And so with Clubhouse, like, well, one,

you don't have to live anywhere near this person, right? Like I'm talking to people in Canada, in China, in New York, in San Francisco, and you know, these people that were not easily accessible are now here on Clubhouse. So if you have those kind of skills and you wanna grow yourself in this tech space, I would say it's pretty easy.

In a sense of like, start up a room saying software engineering, tech help. You know, ask me anything, ask a software engineer anything, and you know, if you really want to step it up, what you do is you work with other people, and I think with clubhouse, this is the whole thing, it's all about community, and the way that algorithm is put,

is like they really push that. Like they want everybody to collaborate. So for me when I start on this app, you know, add zero followers and immediately I was like, I want to be in the tech rooms. And I met Jared there. And I think by that when I met Jared, he had like 10,000 followers. And I didn't know anybody else that had anywhere near that. Like even at 1000 to me was like, geez, you're a God. And so pretty much I just kept following him everywhere. And I just kept adding value to his stages. And the next thing you know, we're collaborating.

And now we run a club together. So, you know, that's just how it is. And then like, you know, when you grow with other people and this isn't just clubhouse, right? This is every kind of social media anywhere, right? When you want to grow, you want to work with people at your level and above your level and help people below your level. So like, even for me, like I bring up people like when I met somebody like the super into tech, like at Netflix, he came onto the platform

and I was like, Oh, dude, we need you. And you know, he, I remember he had like 10 followers, but he was so new, brought up onto the stages and like, I remember a week later, he was at a thousand. And so like, that's the kind of thing is like you have to collaborate with bigger people, but also like, help out the smaller people. Like Jared and I remember a week later, he was at a thousand. And so that's the kind of thing is, you have to collaborate with bigger people, but also help out the smaller people. Jared and I, we don't run rooms every single day of the, right? Like what we do is we sit in other rooms too and add value to the smaller rooms

because with our larger followings, we can fill that room up with like 100, 200 people, and that's pretty much it. So collaborate here on Clubhouse, but it's really just collaborate everywhere on social media if you want to build your personal brand. So this is Christian, I'm done speaking. Yeah, I think those are great tips. And sorry, I have to shout out the go and baby goat of tech on Clubhouse in our room. That was hilarious. You had us all cracking up in the package. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh my gosh.

Okay, so we talked about resumes. We talked about networking. Let's say everybody listened to your advice. We did the networking. We got the referral or a resume was good. It had the right keywords and it got through the door and we landed the interview. What happens next?

How can we rock this interview? Let's go around the room because I think everybody has their own interview tips. Let's start with glazed. Give us your best interview tips and then let's keep it quick and go around the room. Glazed, Jonathan, Christian, then Jared. Okay, best interview tip I would say is, my God, there's so much I could think of, but I would say the biggest piece is to come in with a role-adductor of stories. You are going to get hit with different types of questions and you want to make sure that especially for a behavioral interview, hiring manager will ask you about how you managed a certain problem, how you navigated a challenge, did you show any empathy, so you want to have the framework so that you

are sharing what you did in terms of what was the problem, what was the approach that you took, what was the results, and also sharing what would you do next time? And making sure that you have a specific story related to an experience that you've had to deal with in a past experience, that's probably going to be one of the main things that would be my tip for interviewing. Thanks, Glazed. I think that was great. Jonathan, what is your best tip for interviewing?

Yeah, I would say the top three most commonly asked questions are, tell me about yourself, why this role and why this company. I think that you definitely should prepare for all three of those and make sure that they have, like they said, a very articulate story for each and every one of those. I know the thing as well, if you buddy, remember that recruiters are your friends. I have so much respect for recruiters. I'm actually hiring right in how for one sold thing and I can't even get, I can't even go through 100. I don't even know how you do it glazed and everybody's recruiters. I don't know how y'all do it.

But it's really difficult. So, what I say is your recruiters, your friend, ask them questions. What I used to do all the time is I would tell people like, if they passed the recruiter round, I would tell them like, hey, go ask the recruiter like what potential questions you should prepare for for your future interviews. And sometimes they'll give them like the actual questions or they'll give them like a little scope in regards to what they could potentially be asked

or just the different topic. So I would say those are kind of like two tips, but basically I would leave it at that. Everything that you say is gold, Jonathan, great job, Christian, what are your best interview tips? Yeah, I will be quick. So I would recommend with those questions that Jonathan mentioned,

the top three tell me about yourself, write out those questions. That's what I did. When I first got here on Clubhouse, I knew being succinct is the game. And what I did initially was type out everything, I would say, like when it was like my turn to ask a question, I made sure to write it out and wordsmith it. And by the time it came up, it was like, tell me about yourself. My name

is Christian. I'm a senior business analyst at PlayStation. And I'm really looking to learn about moderating. Boom. Right. I mean, obviously you don't have to speak that fast. But if you haven't written down, it's easier to get forward because the last thing you want to do is sit in front of a recruiter and they're like, okay, they see their eyes like jumping around and stuff. They're getting bored and also take that into consideration as well. So this is Christian and that is my tip. I actually think that's an excellent tip. Anytime I've ever been on an interview, what I would do is I would write down all my relevant work experiences related to that job so that

I would remember it because sometimes they would ask, what is your relevant experience and your mind, Michael, blank, even though you have done 10 projects related to that? So writing down all your different big projects that you've done and how they relate to the job and just preparing. I think we'll just make you so much more confident when you actually go into the interview. So I think that's a really great point. Jared, what about you? What is your top interview tips?

Yes, so my top interview tip is really just to really think about the person that you're interviewing with and what did they personally care about, which is they want somebody that they feel confident, can problem solve, has done something similar before and was able to be successful and is passionate about the role and has the ability to do research and learn on their own so that they're not having to hold your hand. So really just come to the interview process, understanding how can you come across that way

and the best way to come across is to, you know, research the 10K, research recent events, really research the job description and what actually matters to them. And then ask questions in the interview as a consultant to understand how can I make sure I best serve you once I have the role because I am that passionate about having success at PlayStation

and also helping you, Christian, achieve your goals. So what are your goals? What are the things you're looking for that matter most, to you when hiring somebody so that you can make sure you let them know, well, here's why I am that person, and here's why I am that passionate, and I'm showing you that through my research. So that's on the high level.

My best interview advice is to really treat it like a consultant, treat it like somebody that is there to make their job easier, make them look good, and you're gonna exhibit that through servant leader and we love to serve people. I know it for a fact. Love to serve people and find a lot of fulfillment by helping others. And so I'd love to get into the Q&A portion. If you guys have a question for the panel, raise your hand. We're going to try to get through as many as we can. Rochney, you're up first. How can we help you? Hi, Halah. Thank you so much. So my name's Rochney.

I have background e-commerce retail, building partnerships and crushing revenue goals, and now I'm pivoting into tech to dive into business development or product marketing. And so my question is, I know referrals are important, but so is getting your application early for like a resume. So should we apply it only when we have someone to refer us

or should we apply for the job first and then submit it afterwards once we have a referral? It feels like a little catch-toying, too. So what's your guys' tip on that? Yeah, Roshni, first off, thanks for that question. I really appreciate it. This is why it's important to network early and to network when your position's not even open yet.

I think what happens a lot is that people will go network once the position opens and they're like, oh shoot. I gotta go find someone to refer me at Facebook, whatever, right? So I think what's very important, Rochney is like, for example, if you are interested in, let's just say, I don't know, YouTube, right?

Let's just say YouTube, go network with people specifically and I'm assuming you're trying to go for strategic partnerships because you're saying partnerships, but go network with people specifically in. I'm assuming you're trying to go for strategic partnerships because you're saying partnerships, but go network with people currently right now in strategic partnerships. Even if they don't have a position open because then when a position opens, you'll be the first on their mind and Jared and Christian and Glaze were saying before, there's always this hidden job market where people will ultimately look at the referrals first or will look into their internal employees and then ask, hey, do you know someone for this role that you could refer to it?

So I think that networking early would be really key in that case. But yeah, if you cannot get a referral for that role before the deadline, I would say just apply. But if you can get a referral, like honestly, like a lot of people are willing to do it, but you have to build that rapport. Like people have said here on the panel, don't just pee in your first message, hey, glaze, could you give me a referral to Facebook? And you've never even spoke with her before, nor have built before yet, right? So network early, and if you can't get a referral, just simply apply. Thanks so much Jonathan.

I think that's great of us. Anybody else have anything to add for Rochety? Thank you so much Jonathan. I think that's great advice. Anybody else have anything to add for Rochene? Yeah, no, but if you do have to just reach out to somebody cold without the chance to build rapport, my biggest advice is make it so easy for them to refer you that they like you. So you have the job wreck, you have the resume buttoned up,

you give them a quick little synopsis, like very quick of like, hey, I'm Rochene, I have seven years of experience for this role that requires five. I'm super passionate about this role at Facebook and I would love for you to refer me. And if you do get a referral bonus, I can't wait to make you that money. If you have any questions, let me know. Happy to answer anything about my background so you feel comfortable referring me. But hopefully this can be super easy for you and you can just refer me.

And even after you get the referral money, let me take you to dinner. So I don't know if you noticed, but I keep on mentioning what's in it for them. And then I also make sure that they know that I am more than qualified for the role. I'm passionate about it. And basically, I'm gonna make you look good. You're to make you look good, you're going to make money.

But if you want to talk to me more, let me know, I'm happy to have that conversation. And then you throw in, let me buy you dinner after you get that whatever amount of check. So just really make it so much about what's in it for them and make it seem like such a low risk that they're like, shoot, let me get this money and just throw the resume in there. Or let me have a quick tim in a conversation with them, thank them for helping me make some money pretty soon and then put that resume in for them. So that's my advice.

It's make it more about them than you and make it so easy for them to refer you by making it super clear that you're likable, you have the experience and here's all the information. You don't even need to ask me a question. This is Jared, I'm done speaking. Yeah, just a piggyback off that. I would say plus one to everything Jared says.

I just want to talk about referrals. So there's some companies where it's really hard to get a referral at Netflix. This is what I've heard. Is that when they give it a referral, their name is tied to that referral. So if you do horribly, they look down upon that employee. But then there's other places like PlayStation and myself where they're like, cool, just

get us applicants. And you know, if you get that applicant that goes all the way through the system, then they're going to reward me and then you, if you get the job. So there's a balance between that. So just understand that some companies like, it'll just be easy, like, I wanna refurbome you just like before you even finish the message, you're gonna get a referral link. And that's why for me, it's easy to share,

but this is not every single company. So just be aware of that. So if you wanted to work at PlayStation, you see anything that you like, you could literally use my link. You could pretty much just a link and it takes you to every single job that's open. And you could kinda sift through that. So there's a little value ad right there for you to every single job that has that's open. And you can kind of sift through that.

So there's a little value add right there for you, Rochney. I'm done speaking. So many tips to Rochney. I'm so happy that we were able to support you today. Do you feel like you got your question answered? Oh, yeah, most definitely. You guys hit it like beyond my expectations. So that was super helpful.

I hope this helps other people in the crowd too. I'm sure it does. Thank you so much for asking your question and having the courage to do so. We're going to move on to Lisa. How can we help you today? I first want to thank you, Hala, for inviting me to ask a question. And I just wanted to thank all of the panel listening to the great strategies that everyone is talking about. to the great strategies that everyone is talking about. I am a seasoned employee for many years. And my question is more about branding. I have experience, past experience in culinary, business

legal, IT, and now in education. So my next steps or kind of a turning point for me is really learning more about education nonprofits, nonprofit organizations to promote STEM education for children. I guess my question would be really am I going to turn to starting my own business for STEM education or look into companies that focus

more on STEM education. Yeah definitely. So one thing I think I'm looking at your profile. Are you currently in Wisconsin? No I'm Massachusetts. Okay then this is not your profile anyways. When it comes to branding right it's pivoting all your experience, like, let's say you worked at a restaurant or let's say photographer, just because I can talk about it, right? Like, I wouldn't say in my experience section, I wouldn't say like photographed these people. I would say analyzed photos that help lead to better customer satisfaction, XYZ, right? It's really just pivoting your entire focus to be soup. Let's say you wanted to become a data analyst.

You super focus your entire profile. That's the great thing about LinkedIn is that you could pivot it. Like if I wanted to become a software engineer, I could pivot everything to be very coding-oriented because I do a lot of stuff in code, but like I purposefully pivot myself. So it looks like I'm a super business intelligence analyst person on LinkedIn. So the way that you do that with branding, and so if Lisa, since you're like relatively new, I actually run a LinkedIn masterclass every Monday, Wednesday at 6 p.m. Pacific time.

I'll here on Clubhouse and we talk about how to brand your profile to be noticed by recruiters. So I'll just give you the highlights pretty much. You want to have a cover photo that just explicitly says your name and like three job titles that you want. And you want them to be similar to what like the role you're looking for. And that tells a recruiter above the fold that says like, okay, this is what Lee says about. So the next thing is make sure your headline is SEO optimized.

Again, I would say the best thing you can do for your headline is say your current job title at company. And if you're not working at a company, then just put the job titles of this things you're looking for. So data analyst, business analyst, web analyst. Like that would be an example. And you could just separate them with a pipe or something. A pipe is like the letter is like the lowercase L, but it's right above the enter key. Okay, so the next thing is

make sure you're about section is really pointed towards saying like why you're a data analyst and in your featured section, make sure you have your projects of your analytics works. And I'm assuming analytics just so I can speak on one kind of wavelength. And just make everything look like you are a thought leader in the space and also comment and follow people that are talking about that. In your skill section, take off anything that doesn't have to do with data science or data analytics and just fill it with the things that are important. And let's say you want to get into data analytics, you can look at my profile, which I was able to, again, scrape all of LinkedIn and figure out what those top keywords were, and I just optimized it there. And plus, I was able to validate that with LinkedIn people through Clubhouse. So that would be the way that to optimize your professional brand on LinkedIn, especially if you're trying to pivot into those new roles. And let's say you currently have a job, it's easier to get a job when

you have a job and just pivot your entire LinkedIn. I would say don't worry about, oh, the most important thing, make sure you say open to opportunities, open to work on LinkedIn. That's going to let recruiters know to hit you up. I mean, I probably get it hit up like once or twice a day for a different job somewhere in the world. So definitely start building up that social equity, your social branding, and you're gonna crush it. So this is Christian, I'm done speaking. Awesome, go ahead, Jonathan. Yeah, Lisa, first off, welcome to Clubhouse

and it's so great to see you here. Yeah, I would totally agree with Christian, absolutely amazing points. Definitely have your LinkedIn profile up to date. One thing as well is I'll go towards like the personal branding side. Always remember that you can utilize other people's personal brands to build your own personal brands. And why I say this is because what I used to do all the time was when I was first starting my business

and starting to do XYZ was I would go look at all of the top influencers or people with the most following who posted the most selling den and I would basically leave a comment in regards to based like my two cents. Right? Same thing can happen to you. So for example, let's say you're interested in nonprofit. What I would do is go look for all the nonprofit leaders that work in the different companies you are specifically interested in, that post selling deniton. and I would leave my two cents in regards to any different topics

that you're passionate about and they're passionate to as well. What will happen is you'll grow a personal brand that correlates directly with their own personal brand and people will look at your profile and be like, who is Lisa? Who's commenting on all these different non-profit posts? And then that in line, other people will say, oh my gosh, when I think of it on profit, I think of Lisa now. So always remember that you can utilize

other people's personal brand to grow your own. It doesn't have to be by yourself. I think a lot of people try to grow their own personal brands by themselves, and that's fine. But the thing is, you have a lot of folks who are willing to help. All you have to do is ask and leave that two cents. And last but not least, don't be afraid to share your voice and your opinion, your voice is extremely important to share. I think what happens, like for me, I used to be scared

of sharing my own voice and story, but when I started sharing it, and when everybody here starts sharing your own story, you'll realize that you're not alone. So for anybody out there, Lisa, and everybody in the crowd, if you have a story, share it. Tag everybody here. And we was in the panel and be like, I learned XYZ today, this is my story. And I want to share it with all of you. And you'll see that you are not alone in this world and this life. Amazing. Jonathan, you are a pro. Everybody here on the panel has been so amazing today. I want to shout out to you guys. Thank you guys so much for joining me on this podcast,

for providing so much value, for spending your time. I hope everybody in the audience taps all of these profiles, hits the follow button, taps the bell for always, follows them on Instagram. These are people that love to serve and provide value on this app and off the app. So definitely give them a follow and support them. Lisa, were you helped today?

Do you feel satisfied from your answers? Very satisfied. I do have one more quick question. I don't know if it's quick, but what if I'm interested in dual industries? And dual industries. Yeah. So I have a culinary arts background and I'm an educator right now. So, but I have right now I'm doing Facebook lives for culinary. And I don't I don't want to tap into that particular Facebook page for something else.

I know that I can connect things, but I'm still learning all this technology. Do you guys think it's possible for her to optimize all her profiles for two industries, or does it make more sense for her to kind of lean into one? What do you guys think? Christian? Yeah, I think here's a deal. I would say just pivot it to one. And I mean, like, okay, if you're going into data analytics, it's kind of like you can do it for any kind of industry. So I don't know if you're trying to break into tech or if you're trying to do something very specific in the nonprofit area,

I would say go all in on nonprofit. And the great thing about LinkedIn is that you can just completely shift it to the other way if you want to, but I would focus on that. I would focus on one. It's, but like again, if you're trying to break into tech, like it's kind of like

you can be in anything, every company is a tech company because everybody needs tech help. Like, oh, all right, are you going to start handwriting receipts? Heck no, we have quick books and we have Python scripts that can run things automatically, right? So that's kind of my take this Christian. I've done speaking. Awesome. Thank you so much, Lisa. I hope that was helpful. I'm going to move you down to the audience. And it looks like Hidia is next. Hopefully I pronounced your name correct. How can we help you today?

I actually go with Heidi. But thanks for having me. So I don't actually have a question. I just wanted to, I'm here to learn and also share some tips if I may. I am FounderCU of its Health Technology Company, it's a national platform and in Canada coming to US soon. And in terms of recruiting, I personally recruit my early people

and I use LinkedIn recruiter. So LinkedIn is absolutely super, super important. Your bio is super important because I use key search keywords to search for what I'm looking for. If it's a developer or product manager or digital marketing or whoever I'm looking for, whatever region I'm looking for, if I'm looking for remote position or certain specialty, certain coding language, I always use keywords on LinkedIn. And I have come across people with no picture and different languages that they end up being the best, absolutely best at GEMS. So yeah, I just wanted to share that experience

since we're talking about this topic and technology. And I hope that was useful. And I'm just here to, you know, if I can give back in any way. Thank you. Thanks, Heidi. I'm sorry that I pronounced your name like your Arabic or something.

I don't know what I was thinking. It was so obvious, but thank you so much for your value. We're going to move on to Sasa. How can we help you today? Hi, I just want to first start off by saying thank you guys so much for putting together some panels really helped and it came at the perfect time for me personally. So I have a current graduating senior like I literally literally finished it weeks from Howard University, and I have a background in TV and so and I'm just kind of trying to figure out where should I start if I'm looking for tech roles, like what would you recommend in terms of like

getting resources and figuring out where that would fit where I'd be able to kind of make that pivot if that makes sense. So, Sasha, I think the next thing the first thing you got to figure out is a what kind of role that to this, if that makes sense. So, Sasha, I think the next thing, the first thing you got to figure out is what kind of role do you want? So I'm gonna give you a list of roles that I want you to research. And yeah, pretty much. So it's gonna go from the least technical to most technical.

And this is just my opinion. So the least technical types of roles are tech sales, account executives, and customer success managers. The next level up in tech is business analysts. You don't have to code too much. You just have to understand the business that you're in. So if you go work at Warner Brothers, you go work at NBC, like you won't need as much tech,

but you will need to understand the domain, like how do movies get sold and so forth. The next is a data analyst. This is where you're going to be a business analyst plus you get to code. And immediately once you start coding, the salaries just jump up, maybe like 30K. And then the next level up is if you want to continue becoming a data analyst, you can become a data scientist and machine learning, where you start doing really sciencey related stuff and hyper tuning, machine learning algorithms and things of that nature. Then if you want to become, like let's say you want to become more of a back end person where you don't really talk to people very much, but you just, you find that you love to code, I would say data engineering and software engineering and DevOps.

So I hope that you took note of all of those things. I would say research those, but also just look at Facebook, go to Instagram or go whatever company tech company you want and start looking at job descriptions. And then start looking at what jobs are open and start looking through those. But that list I gave you, I think it was a pretty good comprehensive list. I forgot there's UX and UI and web design through those. But that list I gave you, I think it was a pretty good comprehensive list. Ah, I forgot, there's UX and UI and web design as well.

So add that to the list somewhere. Definitely check those out. And then once you figure out what kind of like maybe one or three roles that you wanna do, then double down, go learn, there's so many free resources online. I didn't even get to talk about that. Like there's LinkedIn learning, it's not free, but you can get it for free. If you're in Harvard,

you probably have it. You could probably get it for free. Udacity has some free courses, you to me, code academy, and there's just so many resources that I forgot. We should have probably mentioned in this breaking into tech industry because it's super important how to get this information, but a lot of it is free. And if you really want to just double down, you're like, screw it. I want somebody to teach me. Go to a bootcamp. I think that's like one of the fastest ways to go about it, but I would recommend wait until you can go back in person. I think that's going to be the best experience because then it is just fun versus being online courses. I'm sure Harvard is a hoot on Zoom. So this is Christian, I'm done speaking. Oh, sorry. I don't go to Harvard, I go to Howard.

Sorry. Oh, my bad. I'm misheard. And I was just going to add it a quick. So if you need any resources, I should have mentioned this before. I have some free resources in my clubhouse bio. It's just bitly slash J.O.L. resources.

It's in my bio. So if you need a resume template, cover letter template, now we can template all that.O.L. resources. It's in my bio. So if you need like a resume template, a cover letter template, never can template all that, it's free. So you can just, you can have it if you want it. But, um, and Christian said everything, plus 5,000 to Christian's points. Yeah. Oh, sorry, sorry, go ahead, Jared. I was just going to add, I'll put everyone's link in my show notes. So for everybody listening on the podcast, all the links are going to be in my show notes. Yeah, so this is to everybody that's like, where do I start in terms of tech careers? The best place are the career pages of companies that you're interested in.

So one, figure out like what tech companies should be the most interested in and why. So is in music tech because you love Spotify and you love how their technology is so innovative. You love music and you think it's a cool culture. Then go to Spotify careers by just Google and Spotify careers. And cool thing about tech companies is they really break down the roles by departments. So if you have an idea of maybe I'm interested in marketing and sales that have done that in the past, then go to marketing and go through every single job role. Even from the executive down to the entry level and just read the job descriptions and

just really envision, could you see yourself waking up every day being super excited about it? And then once you figure out, oh, I love this job role, then reverse engineer and go to LinkedIn and type in that job role and see what companies are hiring for it. And then from there, you can kind of figure out, okay, this is the job role for me. Now, let me optimize my resume to speak to this job role and let me also research what this job role is all about and how this job role affects the company's bottom line.

This is Jared, I'm done speaking. Awesome, Sasa, I feel like you got a lot of great advice. Do you agree? Yes, I agree, Holo. Ah, Sam, well, thank you so much for having the courage to ask your question. We're going to move on to Chloe. How can we help you today? Hi, guys. Hi, Holo. Thank you so much for bringing me up on stage.

Um, hi, Jonathan. I had the opportunity to meet both the goat and the baby goat of tech a couple of hours ago. It's a high question and hi, Jonathan. Uh, I'm an artist. I paint I also give private French and English lessons. Tech has always been a little intimidating for me. I haven't done much career-wise, it was tech-related. I've always been quite shy, I must admit it, about entering tech rooms on clubhouse.

But thanks to you guys, I'm actually a little more curious and surprisingly considering it now, we'll be building my own business. I'm definitely going to work on my LinkedIn, and Excel, and SQL skills, and thank you again, guys, for all the networking and interview advice. My question has already been answered, has just been answered, so thank you so much for asking the question. She's asked everything I want it to know and you guys have been in the answered all the questions. So I don't have another question but I want it to let you

know that it's been an awesome session. You guys are up here on stage, changing people's lives and careers, giving out so much and adding so much value and I shall definitely attend more of your tech rooms. So thank you again, Halaj, Jonathan, Jarrett and question. This is Chloe and I am Dawn speaking. Thanks Chloe. I really appreciate that and I'm sure everybody on the panel appreciates that. Your dog is an important part of your family. Don't settle when it comes to their health. Make the switch to fresh food made with real ingredients that are backed by science with nom nom.

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trinom.com slash app. So we're gonna keep the Q&A moving. Jasper, you're up next. What is your question for the panel? Alright, thank you very much for bringing me up and stage. I absolutely appreciate this. Thank you, Hala, Jared, Christian, Jonathan,

and everybody else listening right now. I have two questions initially, but Jared already answered the first one, which is about starting in tech, like being a baby, wanting to start in tech. And I definitely jought some things down. I also would like you to use this opportunity to basically just say what I do for a living. I'm a radio announcer. I've been doing this for a moment. Sorry, I'm fairly new in Clubhouse, so I'm a little bit nervous, but I'm just trying to get the question out.

So earlier on, that we're talking about personal branding and how important personal branding is, essentially, to your business and what you do. And I have a question that I feel I need an asset to, which is basically about having a personal brand business model should I be thinking about that at this stage and how important is it for my business?

Well, I can kick this one off. I think everybody needs a personal brand. I think it's never too early or too late. I think you have a personal brand, whether you like it or not. It's just whether it's stronger or not. So people are going to Google you when you're looking for a new job. No matter what it is, like the first thing people are going to do is pop your name in Google or pop your name in LinkedIn. And something's going to show up, is it what you want to represent yourself or is it what you don't want to represent yourself? So I think it's never too early or too late to start a personal brand.

You should start one now. It can only benefit you. Anybody else on the panel have anything to add here? Yeah, I mean, and Jasper, the question was basically, should you start a personal brand at the side, correct? Just to confirm? No, I mean, like a business module. Oh, a business model to start.

Yeah, I can talk about this actually, because I did this model that's like, yeah, I can talk about this actually because I did this. Yeah, so, yeah, I totally would say yes. Because like when I was in corporate, like when I was at working at Google, that's when I actually started one soul thing. Because I saw that there weren't people who looked like me nor came from my similar background, right? I think what happens is it all kind of starts as an idea, everything, and you'll see that a lot of you can utilize your core role right now to network with different individuals.

Like for example, Jared just left his role at a specific company to do his own, which is absolutely amazing and incredible because that side hustle ultimately turns into a main hustle, and I think that's a dream for a lot of people that sometimes turns to reality as long as you work hard on it and you network with the right people. So I would 100% agree with starting your own business at the side. Hopefully I answered your question. I think that I misheard you. So I'm really sorry, Jasper. So you were asking if you should start a business on the side of your radio career? Yeah, both of you both answered a question actually. I was talking about a business on the side and also like the business model for my personal branding.

Like, what do I need to know about the business aspect of my job? Because a lot of people don't do this. We get hired all the time and we just go to work by the end of the day. If you're not making money then why are you working? Oh, I got it. I hear it.

I'll have some more in depth actually. Yeah, it's a grind, honestly. When I was working in corporate at Google, after work, I would literally do workshops. In this pre-COVID, I would literally go do workshops with so many different individuals. And sometimes I got burned out. But yeah, Jasper, especially when you're starting

to start your own side thing, get a team who also has the same mission as you. I think the mission of your company is extremely important. For example, for one soul thing, our mission is to turn underdogs into winners. Whatever mission you have in life, whatever you find passionate, utilize that and have a team that surrounds you that also abides with that mission. Because then you're going to be motivated every single day and you're going to have people who hold you accountable to be like, hey, Jasper, or any help with XYZ or Jasper, let's make this even bigger than it already is. So, yeah, a team. The team aspect is extremely important. And honestly, for me, for my business, it wouldn't be where it is today without an amazing team of underdogs turn winners. I 100% agree.

Just maybe a lot of people in the audience probably don't follow my podcast and are probably new folks. So you don't know this about me. But I started a side hustle while working at Disney streaming services. streaming services. I actually left Disney February 1st and I started my side hustle in January. I grew it to 35 employees and almost seven figures in recurring annual revenue before I quit Disney. And it was totally possible to do that. And the reason why I was able to have a marketing agency with clients and making ton of money and work full time is because I had a team and because I wasn't afraid of putting in scalable processes in place and hiring and training a team and trusting other people to run my business while I was working during the day. And I think one of the key things with this, Jasper, is you may want to consider workers

overseas, especially when you have a full-time job because for me, I used to have most of my team was in the Philippines and India when I was working at Disney. Half my team was in the US, half my team was in the Philippines, but when I was first starting, most of them was overseas, and it was because I would end work and they would start their day around 8 p.m. at night, and that was the perfect time for me to work on my side hustle. And so I would work with my side hustle team overseas from 8 to midnight or so. And basically did that every day and just grinded it out and built this company. So having a side hustle is a great way to follow your dreams to end up becoming an entrepreneur.

If that's what you want, your side hustle can always stay your side hustle. It doesn't need to become your full time thing, but it's totally possible. And I totally encourage you to do that because when you want, your side hustle can always stay your side hustle. It doesn't need to become your full-time thing, but it's totally possible. And I totally encourage you to do that because when you follow your passions, you know, things end up working out if you love what you do. Thank you so, so, so much. This was definitely impactful. I think Jonathan has something to say. Oh, no, I was just, I was just clapping for a hall.

I totally agree. I totally agree with that. A good place to look is also upwork for international. People to help you. All right, I'll definitely check that out. Before I leave, I just want to throw that out there. I'm currently in Lagos, Nigeria. Like I said, I work on radio.

I also do amazing voiceovers. So if you're kind of like looking for a Nigerian accent or you want someone an amazing voice like mine to do your business, you want me an amazing voice like mine to do your business You want me to do voice over for you just hit me up. I also followed all the moderators So um, I don't mind following you about I totally Benefitted from this conversation. Thank you so much Thanks Jasper and you're being recorded for young and profiting podcasts

So thousands and thousands of listeners are gonna hear your pitch for that. So congratulations and hopefully somebody needs a Nigerian voiceover and we'll contact you. So thank you so much. And we're gonna go to our last question of the night. And that is Janine, how can we help you? Hello, yay, I made it.

Thank you everybody on the panel. I'm Janine. Today's actually my first time on Clubhouse, so I'm pretty excited to be here. Thank you for inviting me on the stage. So just a little bit about me, my background is in advertising. And my question specifically was for Christian. I know that you previously had mentioned the importance of having projects on your resume and when applying to jobs. I personally have a couple projects on my resume that definitely have helped me

through my interview process and have things to talk about. But I was wondering if you could maybe dive a little deeper into that, like what types of projects should be reflected? Can these be like projects outside of work, or can we use projects we've done within our day to day work as well? Yes, definitely. So that's a good question, right? What is the purpose of a project?

The purpose of a project is to, especially in tech, it's just a showcase that you can do the job that they're asking for. So if you're gonna go into data analytics, you can do a project on open source data. And I think that's the biggest mixed conception is that when people are trying to pivot into a new role, let's say, for example, they're in marketing,

just like Janine, right? Like they have to do a project that they worked on at their previous company, but the fact of the matter is, you could use open source data. So there's this website called caggle.com, k-a-g-g-l-e.com, where they have a bunch of free data sets out there. So let's say you get this data set,

now how do you create the best possible data projects? Let's say you want to get into data science data analytics, right? I would say the best way to go about it is once you do finish it and there's a PowerPoint, put it onto your LinkedIn and just have it there and sit there and just showcase your thought leadership. But when you create a project, position it as if you are a consulting agency

solving a problem for somebody else, right? Because you just wanted to be a value ad to somebody else. So what I did was for my data project, I chose a widely known data set. It's called a Superstore data set. And pretty much there is these, like this data set has been used and abused. And everybody has solved everything on this data set. So I just got to pick a couple of questions that were obvious.

It's like, well, what are my sales year over year, month over month, week over week? And I was able to create a dashboard that said, Hey, I can answer that question. So I created a list of seven or six or seven questions. And I just answered each question with a dashboard and showed people how to use it with that project. And then what that shows is like, Hey, you understand very basic questions because in the real life, that's all the questions I'm getting. They're like, how many people do we have in our organization?

These are like some of the basic questions that may seem like, oh my gosh, that's so easy. But business people aren't tech people. And especially in data analytics, they have like every business problem is very similar. And most of them aren't too complicated. So catch the lowest hanging fruit, do complicated. So, you know, catch the lowest hanging fruit, do these easy questions, solve them, and then end with a call to action saying, Hey, we are a consulting company. And this is how we solve the problem, summarize it by the Bing, by the boom, put your email address, your phone number in that project,

slide that in with your application as well. So that way, you're optimizing for the recruiter bucket as well as the hiring manager bucket. Because when they open up that project and your resume, they can see like, oh, wow, this looks really good. They flip through it, either like physically, like if we go back in person, I always printed these out and gave it to them. Like, there's like, tell me about yourself, slide them my deck. And that's the way to go about it. But also, you know, always include it in your applications as well, because in that way, they understand where you're currently at. And for me, it's easy to see where somebody's at by their portfolio

and whether or not how much are going to have to train this individual. So this is Christian and that is how to create the best type of data project. So, Janine, thank you so much for asking your question. Did we help you today? Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much, Hala and everybody on the panel. It was very insightful today in Christian. Thank you as well for answering that. Awesome. And welcome to Clubhouse. I hope to see you again in some of our rooms. Thank you. Yes. I'll definitely be joining back. It's really exciting to be here. I realized that you could tell I'm new because there's that little hooray icon. We call it a party.

We call it a party hat. Oh, yeah. It's such a newbie party hat. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, cool. Thank you very much, guys. And Janine done speaking. Thanks, Janine. All right, guys. So the way that I want to close this out is I want to give some encouragement to everybody out there who is currently looking for a job because when you're unemployed or furloughed, it can be really tough, you know, it can feel like you're getting no progress, you're doing a lot of work, nobody's responding, you're not getting callbacks or interviews. And so I want to close this out by giving some words of encouragement to those peers of ours out there that are unemployed and who are losing confidence.

How can people keep their confidence? What are your words for encouragement for people who are on the job hunt right now? I'll go first. What I'll say is that when I was younger, there was a period of time where I couldn't get a job. I couldn't get a job. I couldn't get it. I don't know what it was. I would apply to all these jobs.

I had a lot of experience. I was a smart girl and I couldn't get a job. The way that I got my job was through an internship that got my foot in the door. Then from there, it was once I had my foot in the door, I could prove myself and I never ever applied to a job ever again. I was recruited for jobs after that, right? And so I just think it's just that one chance, you know, and once you get that one chance and you get your foot in the door, it gets a lot easier. So that's my tip to you is keep going because it just takes that one person to take a chance

on you. And if you prove them right and if you do a good job, you will keep getting promoted and getting paid more and more and more. And then maybe one day even launching your own business like I did. So keep going. Don't give up. Jared, what is your words of encouragement for those out there who are having struggles finding a job? Yes, my words of encouragement is, you know, it's a numbers game. The only person that loses, the person that quits. So don't quit. Every time there's a failure, look at it as a lesson to be learned from.

You know, how could I phrase that interview question differently, ask for feedback, etc. Some tangible things that I would love to end with is if you are on Clubhouse, I absolutely and you're discouraged about the, you know, employment field, definitely come to my room every Thursday, 5 p.m. Eastern time. It's called CH Tech Career and Recruiter Spotlight. We've had at least 10 people get hired. Christians' mom is in the interview process from the room. And, you know, there's people that were interviewing for six months. That didn't get a response. They got three to four interviews from my room. So if you're on clubhouse, definitely every Thursday, 5 p.m., Eastern time, CH Tech Careers,

it'll be posted on Hall of the site. Also, I have a webinar next Friday called Rock on Success. Let me just make sure I say correctly, Rock on Success, ROCK on success.com, four slash three secrets, number three, April 23rd, 1 to 2, 30 PM Eastern time. We'll be giving free tangible tips on how to construct your resume, interview your LinkedIn, how to ask for referrals, how to search career pages. So definitely check me out there. And then connect with me on LinkedIn.

And if you aren't on Clubhouse, I have 20 invites from my club. And I really like to prioritize it for folks that are just really wanting to get their tech network expanded and have been really struggling to get in the job market. So if you are that person, just say Clubhouse invite in the subject, I don't even know who to give it to, so I'd love to get to somebody that's been struggling to get a job so they can be a part of these rooms.

Make sure you get on stage and, you know, present yourself for some entry-level roles. And we'll love to, after this podcast, say, hey, I gave 20 invites out and I got 20 people jobs. So, Jared's done speaking. I gave 20 invites out and I got 20 people job. So Jerry's done speaking. Oh my gosh, definitely take Jared up on that offer. And I have a lot of invites too. So if you guys run out of invites with Jared, hit me up to you. And I'll give you guys some clubhouse invites so you can get on this app so you can network and hopefully land a job.

Christian, what is your words of encouragement for those out there who are struggling getting a job? Yes. your words of encouragement for those out there who are struggling getting a job? Yes. So one thing, you know, kind of big peaking back off, Jared, it's like, yes, you got to keep applying to jobs, but don't let that be your only thing that you do. Like make sure you're applying to jobs, you're looking for jobs, you are improving your skills. So continue with learning, but be sure you're networking. I know we kind of drove it home tonight, and it was really like, hey, make sure you look out for those referrals, you look out for those things,

but make sure that you're a catch too. So make sure your LinkedIn is good, make sure all of that's good. And here's one thing that like for me, I didn't really think about until I was deep in the woods with job hunting. If you are not getting calls to, if you're not getting phone screens,

that means your resume and application isn't good enough. If you're getting phone screens and you're not getting the next step, that means your phone screens, you need to analyze what you're doing. If you're getting interviews, and I feel like with interviews, you kinda know if you do well or not,

but I've already, I've had somewhere, I'll like, die, crushed it, and I didn't hear anything back. So take those things into consideration. If you're resumes and like for me, when I got out of college, my resumes were just getting nothing. If anything, every job I heard back from was a multi-level marketing companies. And I remember one day I went on five interviews and they were all the same thing,

like sell stuff at Costco. And there's nothing wrong with that, but that was definitely not what I was trying to do. So be intentional with your time and that's pretty much it. Like when you go through those different stages, make sure you optimize for those different things. Like all right, cool.

I need to work on my interview skills. I think if you're gonna start off, focus on your resume building skills, get those phone screens, fix your LinkedIn, get those phone screens, get those in-mails, and start those conversations. And once you get to those interviews, start going hard on learning interviews,

look up YouTube videos, how to do this. And then once you get through those phone screens and interviews, really like kill the interviews. And then also the next step, right? When you do get that offer, make sure that you don't take the first thing, you know, never take the first offer unless you're like completely desperate, but like, there's always money to be made on that table

and that's a whole nother course, look at how to salary and negotiate. I mean, for me, I was almost able to double what I made from when I initially got into Nike and almost doubled it. And so with that was like, because one, I had leverage, but two understood what the market was for these roles. I know that was like pretty much a whole guide versus a tip. But yeah, I feel like the audience should be able to hear that. And like, especially if they're just listening to this last piece, especially every

all the audience, I think that could be a really good summary of like what happened today as well. So this is Christian. I'm done speaking. Yeah, I think that was great Christian. Thank you so much, John. What is your words for encouragement and for all these people who are having trouble getting a job and need some extra confidence? Yes, of course. Jared, Christian, great, great words of wisdom right there. I just add, you know, at the end of the day, you got this,. Like, it's more said than done, but like I said before, you never fail if you never

stop trying and you just got to keep going. The job search is a total mental game and it's all about mindset. You only need one yes at the end of the day. Do you focus on the 99% of people who might not get back to you without one person who does. When I was in my career, I had one mentor who always had my back and was the one who actually referred me for all the different roles. And he was the main reason why I was able to break into my desired industry. So always remember that there's people out there that are willing to help. And thankfully there's four on this panel here that are willing to help each and every one of you get jobs in 2021

So be sure to put yourself out there and last but not least everybody like I said this before but make a LinkedIn post Share your story Tag us in it. What's gonna happen is I believe that together we have almost 200,000 followers on LinkedIn All the right. I think just between me and you we we have 200,000, so I think there's more than that. Like 250, right? Like, if you do that and shout out, like, you know, Hollis podcasted you as well. Like, it's amazing work that she's doing.

You'll see that a lot of people are be like, oh, who is Kate? Who's Dare? Who's Janine? Right? And you'll be able to share your story and our network will go to you and be like, maybe they'll have an opportunity for you as well to get recruited. So I challenge anybody to do that so that you can go their personal brands and ultimately turn from an underdog into a winner. Beautiful. Guys, this was such an amazing session. I feel so blessed to have had these great guys up here on stage with me, Jerry Christian Jonathan. We had Lauren and Glaze here also contributing earlier in this session. And I do this room every single Tuesday at 8 p.m. Next week, I have Navine Jane joining me. He is a billionaire

CEO and he we're going to talk about gut health. We're going to talk about how to make illness optional through AI It's going to be an amazing conversation. Naveen Jane is so fascinating He talks about space exploration and how we can save the world through getting resources from outer space and other planets So he's really wild in terms of his thinking and super futuristic So super excited for that session and then the following week I have near a L coming and and we're gonna talk about the psychology of habit forming products. So lots of great sessions coming up.

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