Young and Profiting with Hala Taha - YAPLive: Making Illness Optional with the Power of AI with Naveen Jain | Uncut Version

Episode Date: April 23, 2021

Can we fight off diseases and help cure illness through the power of AI?   Join Hala for a Live Young and Profiting Podcast Episode with Naveen Jain, founder of Viome. He will discuss the ongoing fight against chronic disease using AI analysis of microbiome and nutrition.   **Meet the panel**   Naveen Jain   Naveen Jain is driven to solve the world's biggest challenges through innovation. A man who knows no limits. His audacious vision and magnetic personality continually inspires others to follow what feels impossible.   The founder of Moon Express, World Innovation Institute, iNome, TalentWise, Intelius, Infospace and Viome - using AI to discover what foods and supplements are ideal for optimal health.   Naveen creates companies that make a true impact. This episode is sponsored by Everyplate!   Mentioned in the Episode:   Viomes Website - https://www.viome.com/ Naveen’s Website - http://www.naveenjain.com/ Naveen’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/naveenjainintelius/ Naveen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/Naveen_Jain_CEO Naveen’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/naveenjainceo/ Naveen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/naveenjainvideo/videos   Social Media:   Follow YAP on IG: www.instagram.com/youngandprofiting Reach out to Hala directly at [e-mail] Follow Hala on Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Follow Hala on Instagram: www.instagram.com/yapwithhala Follow Hala on ClubHouse: @halataha Check out our website to meet the team, view show notes and transcripts: www.youngandprofiting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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If you're smart and like to continually improve yourself, hit the subscribe button, because you'll love it here at Young & Profiting Podcast. Hey guys, you're about to listen to a live episode of Young & Profiting Podcast featuring serial entrepreneur, Naveen Jane. After the interview, Naveen was generous enough to give us a promo code for $10 off Vyom. If you don't know about Vyom, it translates insights from your body into personalized, nutritional recommendations to help address the root cause of biological aging and chronic disease.

Vyom is how Naveen plans to make illness optional in the future. Head to Vyom.com and use promo code Clubhouse10 for $10 off checkout. Hey everybody, you are listening to a live episode of Young and Profiting Podcast. We are live on Clubhouse. In the Human Behavior Club, the largest club on the app, I'm joined by Navine Jane. He is a serial entrepreneur, a philanthropist and a billionaire who is driven to solve the world's biggest challenges through his moonshot projects. Naveen came on Young and Profiting Podcast back in episode number 22,

and in that episode we discussed moonshots or astronomically ambitious projects that address a huge problem, propose a radical solution and use breakthrough technology to achieve the goal. And we focus that episode mostly on how we can be more imaginative, how we can be more open to possibilities.

And we also talked a lot about his space-related projects. So today we're going to focus on something different. Another amazing moonshot project that Naveen is working on. It's called Vyom. It's his startup and it aims to make illness optional through the power of AI. And guys, we are going to go deep. Naveen is going to help us understand

the root cause of disease. We're going to understand how the microbiome in our gut works and why balancing it is important. We're also going to talk about how AI could be the way that we eliminate all chronic diseases in the future. So if you're looking forward to today's conversation, make sure you ping your friends into the room, tap that plus sign at the bottom of the screen,

invite your friends, and also make sure you follow the Human Behavior Club because I am hosting live, young and profiting episodes each and every week, Tuesday at 8 p.m. Eastern. I also want to welcome my friend Lauren to the stage. She's another big podcaster. And so I'm sure she's going to have some insightful questions

to ask. And I've invited a couple other of my podcaster friends who are probably going to turn up. And at the end of this session, we are going to do open Q&A. So if you guys have a question, what I want you to do is raise your hand early and put your question in the bio. Lauren is going to scan them and sew as my team. And we're going to check out those questions and make sure we get them question in the bio. Lauren is gonna scan them and so is my team, and we're gonna check out those questions

and make sure we get them answered at the end. So with that, I'm gonna kick off the interview, and my question is obviously for our special guest, Navine Jane, you are a wildly successful entrepreneur. You've had several successful companies in the past, and honestly, you could be retired right now, spending your days on a beach with a margarita instead of trying to solve the world's biggest problem.

So I wanna unpack how you landed on focusing your time on volume because I know you're super smart, you wouldn't be spending your time on this if you didn't think the end goal was possible. And I also wanna talk about how you got inspired to launch the company volume and how the sickness of your father really led you down this path. So would you please unpack all of that for us? Oh my God, Hala, there were 10 questions in there. So let

me see if I can remember them. To me, the success is not about how much money you have in the banks. Your sexes can only be defined by how many lives you're able to improve while you're still alive. So to me, a person who stops being curious is a dead person. So the only way to know you are alive is to really continue to be intellectually curious because the day you stop becoming curious is the day you actually die. And so to me, a person who spends a day or their life playing golf, that to me seems like whatever, I mean, the person has friend,

I mean, in my humble opinion, has become a parasite on society. If your whole purpose in life is to put a small ball in a hole and that's what you call are your life's purpose. To me, I think you have outlived your life at that point. So to me, you have to constantly figure out that every day of your life, what are you going to do to contribute

to the betterment of humanity? And it's not just for you, it is in obligation you have for your own family, to your own community, and to your own country, and to your own planet. And every single day you have to ask yourself, what am I doing? That is going to move the needle and potentially will impact

and improve lives of billions of people on planet Earth. And someday beyond. I love that. And I love the fact that your mission is so pure and you really want to help humanity. So from my research I love the fact that your mission is so pure and you really want to help humanity. So from my research, I found out that your father really had a big impact in terms of giving you the idea to go down this path and start volume. Could you tell us about that story? Honestly, Hala, it is more than just my father and my parents, you know, from the time I was born, we were poor. So it to us, it was never

about money because we realize the money can come and go. What is always stays with you is the love and a caring family that you have. And to us, that was always something we can always hang on to. And in my life, everything I have done is continue to focus on giving the same type of our value system to our children. Where we tell our children that you know our love for you is unconditional but our in some sense our approval is not. So that means we will always love you but doesn't mean we are going to approve of the things you do. Get us me to say that I am proud of you. You have to go and do things that actually improve people's life because to me that is the what value system we have.

But I'll always love you. I'll always be doing things for you because as out of love but I'm not going to say I'm proud of you because you go out and do things like sell drugs. That's not going to say I'm proud of you because you go out and do things like sell drugs. I that's not what I'm gonna make me proud of you Right, so the point is you always have to look at the things and things Do our children believe in our value system or not? From the time they were young we will always focus on them to start thinking about what is possible? And you know even my I remember I had a my mom and I'm going to come back and

answer your question eventually that, you know, my mom will always say when I was young, that, you know, Navin, you're so bright, you can do anything you want. And then she will go out and say the last beautiful sentence, sky is the limit. Without ever realizing that sky is nothing but a fragment of our imagination, there is no physical boundary called sky. We make up because we see something that we think cannot be crossed. But if you go from here to Mars, you don't call in Mom, Halfway through and say, Mom, I just pass the sky. Right, there is no sky. And point is we create these sky life limits all over us. In our life,

we create these skies. The things that we believe cannot be crossed until you get there and then it looks like what was in the hurdle that I thought actually existed. It wasn't really there. It was simply my imagination. And these things start simple, oh, I am born in this family. I don't have these resources, so I can't do that. I am brown and I'm black and I'm white. I can't do that. All these imaginary hurdles we put in our life. And these are simply the excuses for not to do things like.

The other big one that I find as an entrepreneur is, a lot of the people don't do things because they say, I know nothing about this subject. How can I go out and do that? And to some extent, it is the same problem I had. I don't have a degree in science or biology or when I did my space in the aerospace. But the point to me was, in fact, the minute you become expert at something, you actually become useless at it. And what I mean by that is you become incrementalist. That means the best you can do is to improve it by 10% or 15% for you will never be able

to change it by 10 times or 100 times. Only way to do that is to fundamentally look at from a different perspective, look it from a perspective of a non-expert and challenge the foundation of what experts have taken it for granted. Now, to answer your question, as I was finishing up my project of going to the moon, my dad fell sick and he had a pancreatic cancer. And I lost my dad a few years ago to pancreatic cancer. And to me, that was a wake up sign that this is something

that if I'm losing my dad to this, can this actually be prevented? And it occurred to me, there is absolutely no reason why human beings should suffer from any chronic diseases. There is nothing in our biology that says, you turn 40, you're going to become obese, you're going to have diabetes, you're going to have a heart disease, you're going to have dementia, you're going to have depression or you're going to have anxiety or you're going to have these things. And people have this misbelief that somehow your genes are your destiny. And it turns out your genes actually don't even change when you become depressed. If you do your DNA test today and when you get 200 pounds, your DNA is still the same. You become diabetic,

your DNA hasn't changed. In fact, none of the chronic diseases ever changed your DNA. And if your genes are not changing, then what is changing? And it occurred to me, the constantly think that changing is your gene expression and being naive I thought what if we could measure the gene expression and understand what is causing people to have diseases then we can make illness optional and everyone used to say being healthy is a choice and I turned that onto the its head and say what if being sick is a choice. And I turned that onto the, it's had and say, what if being sick is a choice? And that was the fundamental belief

that chronic diseases can be prevented and chronic diseases can be intercepted and reversed. Oh my gosh, that's so impactful. I love that backstory. And I wanna get into later on in the interview, I wanna talk to you about all the different challenges you faced when you started Vioen. But first, I want to kind of get to the science and the medical stuff behind it. And I want to start off with some context. Here's a mind-boggling thought for everybody listening. According to Naveen, we are just

one percent human. We're made up of trillions and trillions of microorganisms, and we have more foreign cells in our body than human cells. So that's a really crazy statement. Can you go in deeper on that? Well, first of all, it's not a crazy statement. It is a fact, right? There are 100 trillion microbes in and on us. There are about 39 or 40 trillion microbes just in our gut alone in our mouth in our

nose in our ears in our lungs on our skin all over us being fat. I just said 150 to 1 if you look at all the genes that are expressed in the human body less than 1% of those genes come from our human genes. So we're basically a beautiful container for these microorganisms. And it's not that they are a parasite on us. Early form, if you go think about it, 3.5 billion years ago. The only life on planet Earth was these organisms, right? So it started with a me by the single cell, then they became the eukaryotes,

and they became the multicell organism. So you get the viruses in the bacteria. And for billions of years the only thing we saw was viruses in the bacteria in the east and the fungus and the mold and these fages that actually the virus is that infect bacteria. Now when the humans, I mean if you think about evolution of humans, we are not a very complex entity. In fact, if you look at the human beings, our DNA only produces about 22,000 protein coding genes.

In fact, the earthworm has 32,000 protein coding genes. That tells you that, you know, if you ever get too cocky, that you are basically in terms of the number of gene that are expressed, are less than earthworms. But what makes us so complex is we have formed a symbiotic relationship with trillions of these microbes. And to some extent, we have outsourced many of the functions to these microbes and we formed a symbiotic relationship.

So for example, the human body cannot digest fiber. But if we eat fiber, which is what most of our ancient people did, they'll take off the roots from the plant and they'll start eating it, all that fiber went to our gut or and there it got fermented and in turn the microbes converted that into short chain fatty acid. Things such as butreid, which is exactly what body cannot produce. So the microbes now produce the butreids,

the vitamins and supplements and the nutrients constantly for us and they become our part of our first soldiers that actually tell the body when there is a package and that's coming in from the food that you ate. And that's why our immune system, 70% of our immune system is along our gut lining. So imagine that we as human beings are basically a donut shape, right?

The YouTube that goes through us. So the top of the tube that's your mouth are basically a donor shape, right? They are a tube that goes through us. So they are the top of the tube that's your mouth and then you poop out, right? So point is that through that tube, all along, there are microbes and most of them are in our collar. These microbes, in fact, are impacting every part of our human health. So as we go along, I'm going to give you more and more signs around that in the last six months, what have we learned about how does the cancer work? How does the cancer protect itself from immune system? Why do we develop the autoimmune diseases?

And you know, why do we some people develop diabetes? Other don'ts, you can have two identical pattern or twins, identical DNA, and one of them may develop it. It sees other doesn't. And if you feed both of them exactly the same food, one of them may get a high glucose response and other person may get none because of how your microbes are transforming the food. How does your saliva or oral microbiome

is pre-processing that food? So I'm going to go through the science and the latest research. And in fact, everyone who is listening to it should be able to just Google. And if you just Google depression and microbiome, Parkinson's and microbiome, Alzheimer and microbiome, and pick a disease you want, the cancer and microbiome,

you'll start to see hundreds of research paper that starting to actually show that how our microbes and our mouth and microbes and our gut are actually linked to these diseases, not only in starting the diseases, but also in the progression of these diseases. Wow, that was so much Naveen. I can't wait to dig into all of that more. You sort of alluded to it. You mentioned evolution very briefly.

And I was researching you and I found something really fascinating, which is you think that humans may have evolved from these microorganisms. Oh my God, I was just not, I was just, I'm white. I didn't think you were going to make me tell you the story of the human creation. It's a great story. We have to hear it. OK, Hala. So basically, I was trying to explain

that how these microbes are not just very passive. And these microbes play the very active role in about, what who we think we as humans are? So just to, first of all, I'm gonna tell you a story, but before I even tell the story, let me give you some of the latest research. So there was about a month ago, there was a research done where they took 18 people

who were addicted to alcohol. And all they did was change their gut microbiome, and in this case, through a fecal transplant, basically, they change their gut microbiome, and in this case, through a fecal transplant, basically, it changed their gut microbiome, taking one person's poop and putting other person's poop in that person. And just by doing that, their addiction to alcohol went away.

Now, think for one second, what happened here? The alcohol addiction was simply what you gut microbes were demanding that the person get. So that means our appetite, our desire and what we want to eat is in some way controlled by these micro-ordans. In fact, there was another research done at ASU where they took the kids who had autism and simply changing their gut microbiome, the symptoms of autism went away. Same thing with bipolar. So it occurred to me that we start to think about

all the things that are happening in the human body and how microbes I evolved. I came up with this idea that what if these microbes actually created humans? So here you go, Hala, since you asked me, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you my human creation story. So millions, Hala, since you asked me, I'm going to go ahead and tell you my human creation story. So millions, obviously, you know, the microbes are three and a half billionaires old and

the human species give or take a couple of hundred thousand at most, that is old, a year old. So imagine, millions of years ago, all these microbes got together and said, you know what, we are sick and tired of living in this small space in Africa. We want to go out and control the world and they all looked at each other and one microbes said, I have an idea. What's your idea, son? Imagine if we can create something by paddle and we all, trillions of us can stick to it.

This by paddle entity is gonna go all over the world. We will let, we will control their brain in terms of what food we want and they're gonna scrounge around all over the place, looking for the food for us and they're gonna start feeding us. And guess what? They're gonna poop everywhere they go and they're gonna to spread us around

and we're going to just take over the world. It sounded like a good idea, except of you. One other young man said, have you completely lost your mind? How are you going to make sure that they feed us what we want? And he said, that's really, really easy. We are going to put one of our brothers right inside their cell. They're going to call that mitochondria. And mitochondria is nothing but one of our bacterial brothers that's going to be inside

their cell. That's going to provide all the energy to their cell. And anytime they don't feed us well, they're going to call our brother and say, shut these guys down. And all of them are going to be dead. They want to stay alive and they want to stay healthy. They're going to feed dead. They want to stay alive and they want to stay healthy. They're going to feed us what we want. And suddenly people start to believe this is possible. Except one skeptic says,

you are just not thinking right. These things are going to someday develop their own brain. And what is going to happen to us, just like today, we all humans have worried that one day the artificial intelligence is going to become so smart, what's going to happen to us. Just like today, we all humans are worried that one day the artificial intelligence is going to become so smart, what's going to happen to us human beings? And these microbes thought, oh my God, what if one day these bipedal entities, some days start to develop a mind of their own, what are we going to do about that? And the microbes said,

we have a plan in place. We're going to have a direct connection to their brain. And these idiots are going to call that a vagus nerve. Just thinking just because it's named after Las Vegas, what happens in the gut is going to stay in the gut. They're so wrong because what happens in the gut is going to change everything. And with that vagus nerve, we're going to control their what they eat, what they want,

what their behavior, their mood, we're going to control everything. And we're going to call these bipedal entities, the humans. And that's how ladies and gentlemen, the humans were created. So if you ever get too proud of who you are, you're simply a beautiful container for trillions of these microorganisms that are actually pulling all the strings and we are nothing but a puppet for them. I love that story. I wanted you to say it because I feel like it helps people understand it in such simplistic terms when you tell it in that story. I feel like everybody understands

microbiome and the importance of gut health a little bit more just because you shared that so thank you new Dean. So, Neuveen, we were just talking about microbiome and everything like that. One thing that I heard you say is that when it comes to diseases, we typically hear that it's genetic. Like when I think of like my dad had diabetes, I was always told it was genetic, I was always worried, I was genetically disposed, but you say that 99.9% of our genes is something that we can control. So can you help us explain why linking disease to genes isn't really the way we should think about it? So there are very, very few diseases and these are called rare genetic diseases, right? So sickle cell and there are a couple of other decisions which essentially are genetic diseases and they are known as rare genetic

diseases and as you and I can both gas why they are called rare genetic diseases are because they are rare right. So this is not a problem. So if you think about diabetes, diabetes is a symptom and now we actually understand the mechanism of what happens. So when two people eat the same food, our glucose response in our body is completely different based on how that food is metabolized or digested by our gut microbiome. And so interestingly, we can now predict that when you eat, that when after you do a wine test, we in fact can predict which food that you eat is going to have high glycimic response or glucose, low glucose response in your body.

And what we see is some people can eat bread and have very little glycimic glucose response in terms of elevation. And some people actually have very high response. Some people have high response from almonds or banana or some different foods. And that is the thing is interestingly, there was a research done in UK on 1,000 identical twins. And it turns out that twins

would have completely different glucose response for the foods that they ate because of how those foods were actually digested by the gut microbiome. So now what we're realizing is actually we understand, in fact, there is a very good research paper that recently came out in terms of how does the diabetes or obesity happens. So there are set of microbes. They release what they call protease, called GLE, G-E-L-E, and this particular protease actually binds to human peptide called GLP1. And the GLP1 for the people who you don't need to know about that is simply a mechanism that a human body uses for glucose, homeostasis and for your appetite control. So when this microbes are releasing this particular protein that binds to this particular peptide, suddenly your glucose homeostasis is no longer working.

And now your body cannot maintain the glucose control. It starts to release more insulin. And the more insulin it releases, the body becomes less and less receptive to it. And it releases more and more. And eventually you get very high insulin in your body and you start to develop diabetes. And that's really the kind of mechanism that you start to see in the people is that they eat food that's constantly increasing their blood glucose and their glucose homeostasis is not working well.

Now, so there are several things you can do here. One is to understand exactly what foods you should be eating and why, what foods you should be avoiding and why. And I just don't want to use this podcast to actually sell Vion, but I'm going to just simply tell you, what is it that we do as a company? So you have a fairly good idea of why I started this.

What is it really means to our customer? So you simply go to ym.com, that's viom.com. You sign up for your health intelligence test. So we actually take a touch of your stool, few drops of your blood, and in turn, what you get back is everything that's happening in your body. So what does your biological age look like? Everyone knows the chronological age. How well are you treating your body. So what does your biological age look like? Everyone knows the chronological

age. How well are you treating your body and that shows you your biological age? It shows you your gut health, it shows you your cellular health, it shows you your mitochondrial health, it shows you your immune health, right? And it tells you how well you're going to respond to the stress in the body or not, right? And all of this kind of stress response health. And all of these insights of stress response help. And all of these insights, and then we come back and say, not only here are your scores, and we give you tens of his scores under each one of them,

like under gut health, you get to see your digestive efficiency, your metabolic efficiency, how much of putrid you're producing, how much of self-vibe you're producing and things on and on and on. But the most importantly, what we tell you is, here are the foods you should avoid and why. So for example, when I did the test the first time, I used to eat very healthy, I thought. So I was eating primarily, I'm a vegan.

So I was eating broccoli and cabbage and the bristles sprout and spinach and lentils and it's like, I was thinking that I was the healthiest man. And I thought I'm gonna do a test, is gonna come back and say, you are the model of healthy eating. Well, it turned out that every single thing that I thought was healthy was actually harming my body and causing inflammation. So it told me not to eat broccoli and brussels sprout and cabbage because my sulfide production by my gut microbiome is so high

and all these foods contain very high amount of sulphate. And if I keep eating them, I am causing my gut to be inflamed, that is causing my gut lining to be permeable, that is causing the inflammation in my body. And that is the reason why not only I feel tired, but I was also getting weight. It told me not to eat spinach because my gut microbes are not able to digest, oxalate or oxalic acid.

And spinach is very, very high in oxalate. And if you don't do that, stop eating spinach, you're going to get kidney stone or other inflammatory marker. I thought I grew up watching Popeye and I knew that spinach is healthy because Popeye told me so. But I didn't realize that Popeye was not the scientist and I did not follow and guess what?

Year later I ended up having a kidney stone and then I realized, oh my God, that I really, really need to start thinking, rethinking what I think is healthy. And interestingly, same thing on a protein, I was eating so much protein thinking it's going to help me build since I'm a vegan that I really, really need to eat more protein because they're so, you know, most people are vegan don't get it as much protein. Well, it turns out that I was using so much protein.

It was not being digested. My body was going into my colon and these bacteria were fermenting this protein, releasing ammonia, releasing chitrasin and they were all causing massive amount of inflammation in my body. Now just to tell you that, that simple thing actually, so we give you this food recommendation that we tell you why, then we tell you, here are the nutrients that your body is lacking. And it literally tells you that here is what's wrong with your score and you need 22 milligrams of elderberry, you need 17 milligram of curcumin, you need 79 milligram of amelies and every

single ingredient in what quantity. And we literally make those capsules with those ingredients in that quantity for each individual. So think about that. Literally tailor made capsules on demand with the nutrients that your body needs at that second. And that to me is a complete game changer that you no longer have to rely on faith. And every time you retest, you can see how your body is changing based on all the changes that you have made to your diet and it's constantly a debt. So if you test every three months,

every three months you get to see what foods are now good for you or bad. So foods that are bad for you may actually become good and the things that are good for you may actually become bad. So it's constant adjustment that you make and I do it every six months. And so in fact, you can sign up, and you can get the test every six months, and you get your personalized tailor-made supplements, and you get your food recommendations. And as your body adapts and changes,

we constantly change with that. And that is a fundamental belief is, now I'm going to give you two pieces of news that I have not in fact even announced yet publicly. So you are everyone who is here gets to hear at first. We just got the FDA approval. And this FDA approval is for art technology that looks at gene expression and we are able to now detect oral cancer and throat cancer with 97% specificity. And FDA just gave us a breakthrough device for that.

That means FDA believes there is nothing like this exists and there is nothing like this that has ever been done and it's called breakthrough device. And we just got that up to the last week. And just to show you that when you're starting to understand these mechanisms, we in fact are now developing a vaccine for colorectal cancer with a very large company because we now understand what is causing people to happen, you know, the colorectal cancer. And my hope is that in the within the next decade, we will be able to eradicate cancer from humanity completely. So, we are now doing a research on pancreatic cancer, which is how I lost my dad.

You know, ovarian cancer, breast cancer, so lung cancer, liver cancer. My hope really is that as we starting to understand more and more of these mechanism, we'll be able to prevent them using nutrition, food as a medicine, and sometimes it is too late and will may have to use a some type of a vaccine or a drug to be able to intercept it. But our hope really is early diagnosis, like what we did for oral cancer and throat cancer. And we'll be able to hopefully do it for other cancers as well, is what's going to allow us to actually use food as a medicine and not have to take a drug if you can diagnose them early enough.

The other thing I was going to mention was we also developing a vaccine for autoimmune diseases very similar to why does an immune system attack itself. I mean think about it, why would our immune system attack our own body? Well what happens is many of these organisms, these microbiome actually bi mimic the same type of protein that is in our joints. And when that happens, our immune system is trying to attack the protein that these are and the organism that are releasing this protein ends up attacking the joints itself because they are the same protein which is bio mimicked by these are organism. So I think once you start to understand in what conditions these biomimicries happening, you can actually stop it before that using a vaccine very similar to how we do the COVID-19.

So, my feeling is that the gene expression technology that we have, by the way, the technical term for the gene expression that we do is called mRNA. This is a new four-letter word that most of us are getting used to now, but this mRNA is something we have been doing it for five years. And what's really happening is this mRNA has become essentially the key to understanding how we can very, very quickly personalize and adapt to the environment that these organisms are in. That means you can make these mRNA vaccines very, very quickly That means you can make these mRNA vaccines very, very quickly, based for each person, each cancer, for each human being's, each disease.

One day, we'll be able to print these mRNA vaccine on the desktop, on the doctor's office, as soon as the doctor does the test, and say, here's your mRNA vaccine, and injects it. So I really, very hopeful that within our lifetime, we can make illness optional. And I didn't say we'll be able to eradicate illness because that is not in our control.

What is in our control is to tell you what is happening in your body, what you need to do to stay healthy, but the choice is yours. And that's why we say illness is optional. Wow, Naveen. First of all, I want to say that we can make this entire podcast a commercial about Vione because,

guys, Naveen is not sponsoring this episode, but it is so important and you're actually, helping humanity, I know you're doing this for good intentions. You don't need to start a business. So that's why we're talking all about Vione right now. It's really something that's helping humanity. Lauren here, Lauren Tickner, she's the host of Impact School.

She's gonna ask you a question about VioN. Yeah, it's absolutely wow. I saw you speak at Thrive quite a few years ago now and I've been following long-sense that I love everything that I've been hearing. When I hear you on the podcast and things like that and so my question is this, so my partner, I should just take a VioN test and got the results and things like that. And so my question is this, so my partner, I should just take a test

and got the results and everything. And it's been fascinating reading through everything. So let's just say, for example, because of the fact that your microbiome changes, if you let's say, eat something outside of your normal, let's say you do the test, maybe a couple of days after having, I don't know, like some McDonald's or something, or maybe something that you're ultra sensitive to,

is that gonna affect your results and how are you kind of overcoming that? Yeah, so first of all, it doesn't, and here is why. I mean, so in some sense, think of it as like on a lake, if you throw in a pebble, there is a small bit of ripple, but it comes like back together, right? So if you consistently keep eating that food, then you've got

microbiology fundamentally changed. Otherwise, there is a small bit of perturbation, but the ecosystem comes right back together, right? So sometimes when you're walking on an Amazonian forest, right, you can step on the ecosystem, it little bit gets, you know, and perturb, but it comes right back and actually grows until people start to walk on it every single day and there are thousands of people walking on it and suddenly that ecosystem dies. So I think the same thing happens. So it's not that one time or two times you eat certain food and suddenly your whole ecosystem

each. It gets a little bit disturbed but it comes right back together. So I think that is, so we, in fact, did a test where we took the samples of people for 30 days and let them eat what the normally they would eat. And we saw that they were actually very, very little difference and AI was able to completely predict who these people were. And even though they were 100 different people with, you know, 30 different tests, we were

able to actually separate out and say, this all 30 sample belong to this person and these 30 belongs to this person, right? So that was really, really interesting. And yeah, so I think Lauren, I don't know if I answered your question or not. Yeah, no absolutely, it's really interesting here. You say that, so if that was a simple answer. Thanks Lauren, that was an excellent question. So I want to dig deep on something that you were explaining previously. You were talking about how spinach is actually poison for you, but from my understanding, it can be a superfood for me. So how is that possible? How is we're explaining previously. You were talking about how spinach is actually poison for you, but from my understanding, it can be a superfood for me. So how is that possible? How is it that we

all react to food differently? And again, I think that is what I was trying to explain. That there's no such thing as universal healthy food or universal healthy supplement, right? So we see the people have this idea that, hey, I take vitamin B, it's of course just good for me. Well, we see that vitamin B3, which is nice and actually can be very harmful to you if you have very high uric acid production in your body. So if uric acid production is high, then last thing you want to do is to actually take

a vitamin B3 because that's going to actually harm you. The same type of thing happens like when people say, well, turmeric and curcumin, these are always good for everyone because they are anti-inflammatory. Well, it's good for some people and they're going to harm the people who actually have very high production of bile salt because curcumin converts the bile acid into bile salt. And I can go on and give you tons of example, right? Some people, the red meat is good and because it has a lot of nutrients and some people, the red meat actually will cause your heart disease.

So how does that happen? In this case, like in the red meat, it has carnitin. And the carnitin and actually gets converted by the microbes into something called TMA, tri-matholamine, which gets absorbed by the human body and are liver convert them into TMAO, which is tri-matholamine oxide, which is exactly what causes the heart diseases to happen. Now, if your microbes are not producing enough TMA, then you can eat red meat. And there is a reason why many people in the Midwest can eat meat and potato, live to be 95 or 100 and they're healthy and some people have red meat

even once a week and they actually get obese and they get all kinds of disease, right? So it's really is about each individual and they're the oral microbiome, they got microbiome, and you know, how it interacts with your host and your immune system. So ultimately, the chronic diseases are caused by the chronic inflammation. So the minute you start to change the inflammatory markers in your body, lot of the symptoms that we call diseases actually go away.

So what we find very interesting is that we, as company and not focused on is specific disease. When you do a wine test, we're not saying we will cure this. What happens is very interestingly is we're simply trying to reduce the inflammation in your body, give you the stuff, more of the good stuff, reduce the stuff that is actually bad for your body. And amazing things happen. People tell us that acne is gone. They no longer have eczema. They're losing weight.

They sleep better. They have more energy. They no longer have depression or anxiety or a brain fog. And these were all the symptoms of inflammation. I'll say, so depression and anxiety is actually an inflammation in the body. And now the research is showing that even the Alzheimer or Parkinson's is actually other inflammatory diseases where the microbes in fact when the blood brain barrier as we age and because of inflammation, constant inflammation in the body becomes permeable or leaky, then these

organisms go into the blood and are microgilia. The gillia itself actually produce the amyloid beta to protect the brain from these infection and that ends up getting tangled up, becomes a cow protein that causes the neurons to actually get destroyed. And all of these are fundamentally are the infectious diseases that could ultimately be controlled by controlling the inflammation in the body. And I was going to just also mention, since I was talking about cancer, the couple of very recent research paper on cancer that I think anybody who is interested in that feel should just Google and you'll be able to find them. One paper is about, they looked at 18 different types

of cancers. These are from liver cancer, to lung cancer, to the ovarian cancer, and cancer, and breast cancer. And they found there is a unique microbiome inside the tumor of every one of these cancers, which is really interesting. What is the microbes doing inside the tumor? Well, that's the first puzzle. The second puzzle was really interesting, that we see,

and that was a research that just came out, where they did an immunotherapy on the people who had melanoma, which is skin cancer, and the immunotherapy did not work for these people. And they simply changed their gut microbiome through freak-al-transplant, and the sameotherapy did not work for these people. And they simply changed their gut microbiome through Frikkel Transplant and the same therapy started working. What changed here? All changed was simply the microbes and how they interacted with the immune system that caused the immunotherapy non-responders to become responders.

The third thing was another interesting research that if you google you will see that the tissue, the tumor is displaying the microbial peptides on top of the tumor cells. What does it really mean? That means why would an organism like a tumor who wants to survive will display a foreign thing on its surface inviting the immune system to attack it. Unless, somehow these microbes are bio mimicking the self and the immune system is thinking it is actually part of our body and it's not attacking it anymore.

And these microbes are actually now become symbiotic with our tissues in the different areas of organs of our body and they basically become another organism inside us as a super organism. So these organisms in the tumor is using the microbes to protect itself while and the microbes love it because the tumor is feeding the pancreatic cancer, the professor at a researcher at NYU injected the antibiotics directly into the pancreas at humor and killed the microbes that were inside the tumor. It was in the mice just to be very clear. And automatically, the immune system killed the tumor.

And that tells you the power of these microbes in protecting the cancer and the progression of cancer. So to me, I think there is a very, you know, I'm starting to, as I said, feel much more optimistic that we as humanity within a decade will be able to solve this problem. And once we, you know, solve the problem of cancer, then we can start to look at all the mental health issues. We are seeing some amazing, amazing results from our customer. So we did about four different clinical research with our own customers. And we saw within four months, the depression clinical score is called pH Q9 came down by 32% in four months, whether people who are using recommendations.

The IBS, which is about 15% of the population suffers from IBS, which is a stomach ache and gas bloating and digestive issues, constipation, the idea. That score for the people who are a severe IBS came down by 36%. The risk of diabetes came down by 30% and the anxiety score which is measured by GRD 7 came down by 29%. Now these are still, you know, sample size on each one of them about 200 people. So it's still a very small study. But it's time to show that the potential we have of controlling these

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And he considered nutrition as a main form of medicine. So where did we go wrong? If hundreds of years ago they knew about this, what happened? Well, it's a thousands of years ago. That's probably what happens. See, we as humans are constantly forget the knowledge that people had acquired in the ancient times. In fact, if you go back, even before hypocrities, if you look at the old,

you know, the book ancient books in Ayurveda, they talk about that each person is unique. And, you know, there was a very interesting concept. And again, I'm not a religious person. There is a cre- in the Hindu religion, there is a creator of humanity and it's called Brahma. And they show that life starts in the navel. And that was literally where our colonies are. So they're basically saying the life begins in your gut. And what was that concept of life beginning in the gut? And the only thing I can see is that when the baby is born, as you know, the first exposure to the baby gets on the microbiome is through the birth canal. And he is that when the baby is born, as you know, the first exposure to the baby gets on the microbiome is through the birth canal.

And here is very interesting. In the first few days of the mother's milk is primarily a human oligosaccharide, which is a fiber that cannot be digested by the human body. And this human oligosaccharide is simply there to feed the microbiome and actually so these microbes can train the immune system. So babies get infected very quickly because the immune system is actually not trained yet. And as these microbes start to get mature, they start to train the immune system, who is a friend, who is a foe, which is pathogen, which is commensal. Now very interesting, why would a nature create an office

spring? And the first few days, saying, I would rather not feed the office spring. I would rather feed these microbes to keep the office spring healthy. And then it starts to tell you how all these things are actually connected. And hypocrities, and they say, 25 hundred years ago,

as you mentioned, another thing that he said that I think most people forgot He says all diseases begin in the gut So if you were to just search hypocrities all diseases begin in the gut So he said not only he realize at that time the somehow your gut was a key to the human health and he said all This is big in the gut key to the human health. And he said, all this is the beginning of the gut, let food be die medicine, let die medicine be the food. And there was another fellow physician who said, one man's food is another man's poison. Right. And that's really interesting that all of these things we knew that there is no such thing as universal healthy food. And today, now that we have signs, we're going back to the future.

Yeah, 100% it's like, now we're going, and I see that a lot, you know, I do these podcast episodes a lot. And it always seems like these new innovative ideas. It's something that we forgotten a long time ago, like some of this mindset stuff in terms of, you know, your thoughts become your reality. That's stuff that they kind of knew way back when that we're kind of reenacting these days. Oh my God. I gotta take you on a tangent here because this really interesting fact is that, you know, most of us tend to label things when they happen. And you know, that automatically changes your perception of what happened.

And worse yet, it actually changes how you react to it, right? So today, let's assume COVID happened. When people believe, oh my God, the life is ending, it's the bad thing. Then we all react in a way that is stressful and that causes us all to get depression, or you take the stuff that say, it happened, we don't know it is good or bad, because the impact of it will not be probably for a long time, even in the short term, of course, there are millions of people who are suffering,

the millions of people who have died. So there is, of course, it cannot be considered something good for humanity. But when we look back at this and I'm not trying to be you know insensitive here but I'm looking at a bigger picture right 10 years from now when you look back at this event we will realize that this was probably one of the best thing that could have potentially happened to humanity. Because in advance, our healthcare system by a decade, we would not have had telehealth for another 10 years or 20 years, because most hospitals would have never in fact done

it. We would have never had remote education, because the teachers union would have never allowed it in this country, right? And you start to think about people starting to believe that they have a control of their own health. It used to be, I do what I do when I get sick, I go to the hospital and COVID made us realize that last thing I want to do is to get sick and go to the hospital. So what did we do? We started working out. We started to eat healthy. We started to take our supplements and we started to build our immunity. And suddenly we realize that our actions actually have our health consequences. And which is,

this year there was no flu season. Why was it there was no flu? Because we believed until now, come fall season, it is inevitable that we're going to have flu. But there was no flu because we wore masks and we maintained social distancing. So what I'm trying to say is suddenly the disease is that looked inevitable. Now we start to realize that actually it is in our own power to be actually able to protect ourselves. And these are the things that I think when we look back,

we start to realize that people are now becoming a CEO of their own health. People are starting to believe that their actions can be controlled and they can stay healthy. I think these type of things in a long term is going to make humanity better. Yeah, 100%. And there's always a silver lining like you said. Like, COVID was horrible, but look how much tech advancements that we've had from that to your point, remote work, remote education, telehealth. These are all benefits of what we went through. And thank God there's some sort of silver lining to all of this, right? And Naveen, I'm going to move

on to some questions related to the actual business aspect of you starting volume. So I know that you're a very smart man and you probably went through a process in order to kind of make sure that this idea was viable. So were there certain technologies that you had to make sure were in place before you could proceed? And what were some of the big challenges as you were thinking of this idea and making sure it was like a viable option to start this company? Well, first of all, Hala, great question. And I think the food I answered that question, I want to actually just,

people who are listening to it, want them to know. The work that you do is such an impactful work. And you don't know and you have not been actually following Hala on LinkedIn and in fact, on all the social network you're really missing out on something. To me you are one of the generally good human being doing a great work for entrepreneurs. So anyone who is currently an entrepreneur want to become an entrepreneur, no someone who is an entrepreneur you really got to be following her. I find your content to be absolutely amazing. Right?

So having said that, and I just want people to, you know, sincerely find a way to follow her on all the social media. Now, I have a framework. When you want to do something absolutely audacious, what things that I call moon shot, that's something that is not 10% better for something that's 10 times, so 100 times better than what exists in the real world. Then you have to have a framework. And I have a very simple framework. And whenever I start a company, I ask myself three questions. Why this? Why now? Why me? And I'm going to give you the word, those three questions mean, and then

I'm going to tell you how I applied that to IOM. So why this is a simple question that says God forbid you are actually successful in solving this problem. Would it help a billion people live a better life? And the reason I use that as a marker is that tells you that even if you're successful, if you're not actually going to move the needle, you're playing a small pawn and that can never be a company that will ever be a super successful. Because you know, if you can find any product or a service that improves the life of one billion people, you can create a hundred billion dollar company.

And that's really the thing. But you cannot create a hundred billion dollar company if you set out to create a hundred billion dollar company You have to focus on improving the lives of a billion people The second thing is why now why now is essentially two part puzzle what had changed in the last 12 to 18 months But more importantly, what do you expect to change in the next three to five years? What technologies you think are going to come around that will allow you to solve this problem today than it was possible five years ago. And the reason I do that is to

see, am I using the yesterday's technology to solve tomorrow's problem? Or am I using the technology of tomorrow to solve today's problem, What am I using the technology of tomorrow to solve today's problem, right? And the really interesting thing is, many of the times you need to intercept the technology where it is headed rather than the technology where it is today. And I can give you many examples,

and I'm gonna come back and say, how I apply to Wyoming, and then I, the third question really is why me. And why me. And why me is probably the most important question you have to ask yourself. And this is about what questions that you are asking, which is different from what everyone else in the industry is asking. That means the questions you ask is the problem you solve.

And that means if you are not thinking differently than anyone else, then you're solving exactly the same problem that anyone else is and you simply become a commodity. And that means how do you are going to differentiate yourself by actually looking at the problem differently than other people have done. Now, let me apply this to Wyoming and that will actually show you how I apply this framework. We said, what if we can prevent and reverse chronic diseases? So when I started a company, our tagline is still the same. Imagine living in a world where illness is optional.

So we thought, what if we could prevent and reverse chronic diseases, would it help a billion people live a better life? The answer was 7.4 billion people, check mark. Second part, why now? And we see it to solve this problem that three things need to happen. You have to be able to digitize the human body. Let me take the bi analog biological sample to be able to sequence them, understand exactly what biochemical activities are happening inside the body. And at that time, the cost of sequencing,

when I started the company was about $1,000. And I thought, oh my God, there is no way we can build a consumer product that is going to cost $1,000. But we were absolutely convinced in the next two to three years, this cost will come down to $100. Well, it so happened, a cost of sequencing actually came down to about $15. So even though while I was about 10 times optimistic, it turned out to be actually almost 10 times pessimistic. And that is the power of exponential technologies that you think you're being actually because a mind is designed to think linearly, not exponentially. And I'm going to come back and explain that concept, but let me finish this part. The second part was that even if we were able to sequence, how are we going to be able to process

this much information that's coming out of the digitizing the body? And the cost of processing we will need is super computer. And at that point, we started to see this cloud computing and but they were very expensive. And when we started when we started to start to come, why own a cost of processing each human beings data was about $45. And it turns out that we knew the cost will come down to about $10 at that time. It turns out the cost actually came down to about $50. And that's another one that we found were absolutely we were on the right trend, but we completely missed how fast it was the technology was moving.

And the third thing was, we believe the AI has to become so powerful that can actually make self learning and start to learn itself on finding why people are getting sick. And that we were absolutely convinced. And now today, we have completely self learning, machine learning AI. The third part was the probably the most interesting why me and I think how are you indicated earlier that all everyone in the industry was focused on the genes and DNA and even the people who are looking at the microbiome at that time they were all trying to figure out what microbes exist in your gut and I

thought these how can knowing the microbes in your gut will ever help you? Because your body and your immune system doesn't have eyes and ears. It doesn't say, I just saw the acermensia. I just saw the, you know, Bifidovacteria. It simply cares about what chemicals are being produced. And we thought, what if we could analyze the gene expression

instead of genes, we'll be able to know what microbes are being produced and how they're changing the human gene expression. If we could do that, we can solve this problem. And that's the reason we focused on finding a way to analyze mRNA. And it turned out there was no one was doing it and there was no technology that was available

in anywhere to do the mRNA sequencing. It took me six months I went to Lawrence, Liverpool Lawrence, Berkeley National Lab, I went to NASA JPL, went to NASA Houston, NASA Kennedy Space Center and finally found the technology at Los Alamos National Lab where there was a scientist who were working on this for 10 years for solving this problem for bio-defense work. I still today have not figured out because I don't have a security clearance at that level that what they were working on, but I managed to get the exclusive license of technology

which became wild. Now just to give you an idea, the reason it's a good business is not because somehow we figured out how to, you know, we focused on creating a massive enterprise. We create a massive enterprise because we found a way to help lots and lots of people. And I hope it's clear to everyone who's listening to it. If you want to build a great company, find a way to improve the lives of people. Oh my gosh, 100%. I love that you broke that down. I think that's so helpful. And all the things that you went through to get this company off the ground and all the research that you did, it's just so impressive. And so my last question is really about AI,

and then we're getting to Q&A. And by the way, guys, if you guys want to ask a question, raise your hand, and we may put you up on stage. So, Naveen, this has to do with AI. I want to understand like, how many people have taken the volume test so far? And when people take the test, does that actually help the AI algorithm get better? And is volume more accurate now than it was, let's say, two years ago, because more people have taken the test. I just have to say it. I mean, you are one, I mean, one smart woman. What else to tell you?

This is the concept. It takes people, honestly, people who have been working in the industry for 10 years have not run this concept that you just described in such simple words. It's called flywheel effect. Does your 100,000 customer and millionth customer is better than your first customer? So if you are selling a service that your customer, the first customer gets the same product that your millionth customer gets, then you have not created any flywheel effect. And especially, so that means the data that you are collecting

would it allow every single person who joins you to actually become better by being part of that network? So in our case, we have analyzed over quarter million people now. And it's really amazing. As we have learned from a trial and error through different mechanism that we are learning from people who have different diseases, now we are able to do things that could not be done two years ago.

So for example, we may have completely missed out on certain cases when we give people a curcumin that instead of curcumin we should give them elderberry because that is going to work better for these people versus Calcumid because we tried that on people where Calcumid did not work but elderberry did and that allowed us to learn the pattern and we said now we know why it did not work and why the people who comes next. Now, every single person who joins us today not only benefits from everyone who came before them, they actually helped everyone else before and people who came after. And to me, that's the only way we as humanity will ever solve this problem of chronic disease is when we all come together and say, you know what, we're going to come together

to actually help us understand why people are having these chronic diseases and to be able to solve that problem early enough while we can intercept these diseases. And to me, if we can get to 2 million people, we would be able to solve this problem. And that's really my whole goal in life is to be able to solve this problem instead of using suffering. And it's not just for me or my parents, but imagine if we don't solve the problem, our children and grandchildren are going to continue to suffer from these chronic diseases.

To me, this is an epidemic that we should add, even though, you know, we are in the middle of a pandemic, but remember this once in a hundred years, we have not had a pandemic for a hundred years, 1918, the Spanish flu. So point is, the epidemic of these chronic diseases is they're here and now every year, we lose millions of people to heart disease, millions of people to cancer, millions of people to diabetes,

millions of people to depression and suicide, we have to solve this problem and we all have to come together to do so. Yeah, Naveen, I would love if you could give me some sort of a promo code that I can give my listeners because I believe this is something that everybody needs to kind of get involved in because to your point, like the more people who do this test, the more you're going to help the next person who does this test. So I think it's really important for us to get involved. So, Hala, I would love to do that except I, Hala, this is for me. So, Hala, this is for me.

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people. But if you go to the website right now, the health intelligence kit, the help, the subscription, that's all marked down to the point of us just being able to keep the lights on. But Marty, I mean, this got to be really, if we can give them a quote for at least $10. You tell me, Naveen, I'll be happy to do it. How about this? Find a way to do that and sell it to Hala, please. You got it.

Hey guys, it's Hala. Quick punch in here to let you guys know the promo code. Head to vium.com and use promo code Clubhouse 10 for $10 off checkout. Now back to this amazing interview. So we're gonna move it on to Q&A. I've got a lot of my mods here on the stage. Some of them are podcasters,

some of them are Clubhouse influencers, all of them are super smart. And I know they have some great value to share. So let's kick it over to Paulina. What is your question for Naveen? Hi, Halla. Thank you so much. Naveen, my question to you is this,

you're a real thought leader. I have been following you for a while. I think what you're doing is beyond revolutionary because you're not just trying to create a product. You're trying to systematically collectively get rid of disease or using, you know, our bodies essentially. My question to you is, how do you frankly not sell out? I'm sure there are people that are throwing money at you. How do you stand by your, why you, and why do you get to do what you

do? I'm sure that you have many, many opportunities to sell out. How do you say to yourself and to your mission in a world where many people don't? Yes, Paulina, first of all, you know, just as you know, I came from poverty. I mean, we didn't have food to eat. We didn't have a place to stay. And God has been so kind to us. I mean, there is very, you know, very few things in life that I need. I'm, you know, I'm a vegan to begin with. In all the things that I want in my life, I have more of everything because I have three wonderful children who don't need anything from us. I mean, two of them went to Stanford. My daughter started a company on Women's Health before that she was doing, removing gender bias from hiring because they are mission-oriented people. My oldest son, unquote, he is into his third unicorn.

And a young person who also graduated from Stanford he became his Schwartzman scholar and he started his company. So my reason I mentioned this is to us, it's not about money. And the thing is the things we are working on, we get plenty of investment. So even though we are currently losing money,

but we know over time, we will find a way to be able to actually solve this problem. And then we do, we're gonna have a $100 billion company in our hand. If we stay focused on our mission to solve this problem. Now, we have invested over 100 million of our own money into this business. When I say our own money and investors are together,

we have spent over 100 million to this company. And to me, this is a problem that needs solving. And if we do imagine how massive this company will be because every farmer company at that point becomes obsolete. And these farmer companies have their worth over trillion dollars. Where does all that money flows into a company that is preventing the chronic diseases? So to me, in a long term, there is no doubt in my mind we're going to be super, super successful. So there is no reason to sell out. What would I do if I sell out? I'll just start another company.

Anyway, so my hope is to build it to a point where I can hire another mission-oriented CEO, and then I can go on to solve the problem of education, to solve the problem of agriculture, to be able to transmit and connect the human brain so that we don't have to speak to each other, to be able to listen to each other. I mean, just like a modem, old days, you have to have a modem to communicate. Speech is like a low bandwidth modem. What if I could subscribe to Hala's brain? And every time Hala has a new thought,

I actually get upgraded. And I imagine all of these things are possible. It's just a matter of us going out and solving them. So my hope is that sooner or later, we solve this problem and then I go on to solve the next problem. Thank you so much. And you should write a book about how to motivate children

to stay in their power and create these kind of incredible companies because I think for me, I grew up in poverty also. Sometimes I look at my children, I say to myself, my over-end those in them because I grew up so poor. How do you balance that piece? How do you train your children to be these incredible human beings while they have access to the best? Oh my God. Honestly, I believe there could be a whole clubhouse session just on that because parenting is so counterintuitive from what we think. What we think if we are doing it for children, we actually are doing it for ourselves by harming children, right? So it's

a guilt that we have that allows us to indulge our children because we feel bad. We're not thinking about what's good for them. We're thinking about what's easy for us, what's good for us, right? And I can give you a whole bunch of things around that. So Hal, if you're on to it, maybe we can do a whole clubhouse session or Polina, if you want interested, just shoot me an email on a DM me on any of the social media. And I'm grateful to give you my thoughts on how to reach children. Yeah, and totally obviously, Neveen, we can have a million sessions here on Kovhast.

Really happy to always host you. So that's no problem. Okay, so we're going to thank you, Paulina. That was an amazing question. Let's kick it over to Elizabeth. What's your question for Neveen? Thank you. I have so many, but I'll keep it to one. Naveem, I have a question about

monogut and in terms of, are you seeing that there's a particular place of people that have more monogut versus others and what does that look like? I'm sorry, I don't know what monogut is. Oh no. So monogut is when I guess when when you have a lot of probiotics, for example, and then the gut microbiome is really not diverse enough. So, yeah. Okay, so mono gut, I understand that. So basically what happens is, first of all, it's really, really bad. You want the diversity of microbiome and you've got,

remember, you know, more diversity of functions, not just diversity of organism. If you have all the organisms producing exactly the same thing, you will get over abundance of the same biochemical. So you want the different types of functionality. That means organisms that are producing completely different stuff.

What is the most amazing part of this ecosystem is, the same organism can produce completely different stuff in your gut versus my gut. And that depends on the surroundings or the ecosystem. It finds itself in. So you can have the whole concept of this good microbiome and bad microbiome actually came from infectious diseases.

People thought the microbes are bad, but I think it is not the microbes are good or bad. They do good thing or a bad thing. And it turns out a good microbe can do bad thing in a bad environment and a bad microbe can do a good thing or a bad thing. And it turns out a good microbe can do bad thing in a bad environment and a bad microbe can do a good thing in a good environment. And I can give you an example. Accomensia is considered a probiotic.

And however, accomensia is exactly the same organism in some other people's gut. It becomes actually the causative of multiple sorosses the brain disease. Right? You look at CDIF considered a really really bad bacteria that can kill people and other people see if actually can be commensal and produce butrate that can be extremely good for your body. Right? So it is not about the diversity of organism, it is about diversity of the functions that the organisms are providing. It is about diversity of the functions that the organisms are providing. Awesome. Thank you so much. And so can I follow up with that?

Of course. Yeah. Okay. So when you are doing these tasks, do you see that there are specific people, I guess, populations that have more of that? What we notice is that people take probiotic right after taking antibiotics. What happens is at that point, all of the microbes are gone. And as opposed to naturally creating an ecosystem by eating various types of fermented food,

if people start taking probiotic, which is only one type of organism or few types of organism, they end up colonizing it and that actually becomes much more harmful. So people who take the probiotic right after taking antibiotics actually not as good. Normally what I would recommend would be for people to actually after they somehow have to take antibiotics is to start eating all different types of fermented food from, you know, kombucha, to kimchi, to yogurt, to pickles, to everything they can find. As many raw foods as you can to essentially build a diversity and then to provide. Young and profitors, do you have a brilliant business idea but you don't know how to move

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I have another follow-up question to that, so I know antibiotics are really bad for a microbiome, and there's certain foods that affect it negatively. Is there anything outside of food that impacts microbiome? Of course. I mean, obviously, anytime you have some pathogens that ends up getting into the gut and you get massive amount of diarrhea, you are essentially getting rid of a lot of your microbiome at that time, right? So, food poisoning, I mean, that's essentially pathogenic. So, when you get food poisoning, or you end up, you know, most of your probably young don't understand the colonoscop.

When you do that, you have to clean your colon out. So you take next-sitants and stuff. And it gets the thing basically, a wife's out for your wife's out for your most of the microbiome. But antibiotics is probably the worst of all the things. And not suggesting people never take antibiotics. Most of the time your immune system should be able to deal with most infections that most people have. So in a sense that if you build your immunity and your immune system is actually strong,

more often than not, you will never need antibiotics. And in this country, such an overuse of antibiotics, especially for the young children, as soon soon as they get here in friction, mom and dad run and basically, as opposed to letting the immune system deal with it, they give antibiotics and that actually ends up harming the child over time. And there is so much research now that shows that number of diseases that are because of the use of antibiotics

and the children are young. So just Google early use of antibiotics from the children are young. So just Google, early use of antibiotics and you will see how many diseases it causes because of killing those microbes. Yeah, it's so ironic too, because it's like antibiotics for created to help people, but then it's really heard us in the end. It's so funny.

Okay, so let's go to Jeremy and then we'll kick it to Lauren and Matt and then Michael. Navin, what is up, brother? Such a big fan of your work and what you're creating in the world. Two quick questions. Number one, you know, as you know, 90% of our serotonin is produced in the gut and depression is the number one disability in the world and it tripled during COVID. So I'm wondering like what is Vione doing maybe on a bigger level, on a

bigger stage, to really target mental health with what you guys are doing, because I think a lot of people don't understand that connection. And the number two, is there anything to scale intuition, meaning like I think a lot of people don't understand that connection. And the number two, is there anything to scale intuition, meaning like, I think one of the great things about Vioam is like building awareness with our body, what foods agree with us, what foods maybe we should avoid and stay away from. And ultimately, I think that can build the intuition muscle,

like knowing intuitively what our body needs and what it doesn't need, right? And I think so many people have been disconnected from their mind and body. So I was wondering if you could maybe address both the sorry for the long-winded question. No, no, I think it's a good question. So first of all, we are really focused on mental health. As you say, this is one of the epidemic of our society. You know, as not only just because of COVID, the amount of stress people have at work because they are not being taken care of.

They're constantly in the fear of losing their jobs. They're constantly struggling with their personal lives. And to some extent, as you mentioned, the 90% of Saratone is producing the gut. And a gut on a brain are completely connected through this vagus nerve. And there is no doubt. In fact, as I said, we did the research within four months, we were able to improve the clinical score of depression for pH Q9 by 32% and anxiety by 29% GAD 7, let's go. So, you know, we are obviously trying to get as many people to learn about that. I'm working with Deepak Chopra and Gabiala when they have this a new movement called Never Alone,

so you can go check it out at neveralone.love and it's all about depression and so side. And we are trying to find the, you know, right group of people who can help us spread the word because awareness is the key. When people are depressed, they can't be the one who are going to find a solution. It is their loved ones who have to really start to bring them into the right nutrition because when someone is depressed, they are not thinking about their health. So you have to really find a good loving ecosystem

around them who can provide the right set of nutrition and as their gut health improves, their mindset will improve and their depression will go away. And then they can start taking care of their own health. So it is, you know, as I said, this is a big problem for the society and we all have to play our part in it. Awesome. Jeremy, that was a great question.

Yeah, thank you so much for that. Thank you so much for hosting this. Navin, I do have a really big health and wellness platform, a community of over 700,000 on TikTok. So I'd love to support and add value as much as possible, because I feel really aligned to your mission. Thank you so much. Thank you, brother.

Anything you can do to bring the awareness to us, I mean, to me, that is the main thing. And reach out. And Mori is here. Just reach out to Mori. He can help you put together whatever you need to help you get going. So Mori, how would you do that? Any any thought on that?

Well, I mean, you know, we can definitely look at different ways, but just, you know, shoot me a DM on Instagram. We're very lucky to work with some very passionate influencers, and there's a few ideas that I have, but just shoot me a DM on Instagram. Let's take it offline and see if we can both accomplish our mission together and make it even stronger. Thank you, Jeremy. Yeah, and I think Lauren is also interested in partnering.

She's a huge influencer too. So Lauren and Jeremy, make sure you reach out to Mori. And of course, I'm always happy to help anyway that I can. Hi, you are the amazing human being. And I would love to work with you. So let us take this part. I've never heard him compliment somebody like this in my entire life.

Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate you guys. Oh my gosh, thank you. So kind. All right, so let's keep this moving. Navine, I do want to be conscious of your time. Do you have an extra 10 minutes? Like, okay. Seven minutes. I have a quality of 630. So I have. Okay, we have seven minutes. So with that said, I do want to pass it over to Vagisha. You are an audience member. You came up. You wrote your

question in your bio. You followed the rules. So what is your question for Navine? your question in your bio, you followed the rules. So what is your question for Naveen? Hi Naveen and hi, Hala. This was such a great talk. I am a researcher over in Canada and we're doing something similar for fetal spina bifida. So this talk was really, really interesting to me. But then Naveen mentioned that his greater mission is to make the lives of seven billion people better. And that's such a great mission. So I start thinking about along those lines. And what I wondered was essentially in the bean what you're talking about is moving towards personalized medicine.

But what we currently have in Atlanta, North America is very much curative medicine, and I know we want to shift towards preventative and even personalized medicine. So how do you think we can make or change the medical education system, or is that even needed to change the medical education system, to just change the model of medicine and healthcare within North America? So do you have any plans to take it even one step larger and scale it up to that level? Yeah, of course. I mean, so, I use a good question here. Unfortunately, in North America,

especially in the United States, everyone in the, what I call that, healthcare, medical, industrial complex, the medical and industrial complex, everyone makes money when we are sick and no one makes money when we are healthy. And that is a fundamentally a broken incentive for any system. So system, you know, it's not the people in the system are bad. The system is set up that if a doctor keeps the patient healthy, the doctor will get sick because there is no money. Right. So point is these, we have to fundamentally change the way people are

infected to keep the other people healthy. All I can say is in many villages in India, what they did was very interesting, I remember, that there was, you know, there is a doctor or someone in the village. Everyone would pay the doctor as long as no one is sick. And as soon as someone got sick, the doctors stopped getting paid. And the doctor's job was to make sure they go house to house and making sure no one ever gets sick. But, and that's the means the kind of model we really need in this country is to be said that, you know, the medical system gets paid for keeping

you healthy, not for keeping you sick. And the second thing is, the whole idea of a chronic disease for pharmaceutical company has really turned into a lifetime subscriber. That means they never want to cure a disease. They simply want to manage the symptoms. And that's the problem, right? You have an autoimmune disease. They don't try to find out what is causing the autoimmune disease. They simply give you drug to suppress your immune system and that causes more problems right. So every single thing is about suppressing the symptom. So in every time you take a drug it causes three more symptoms and then they suppress those three symptoms and give you drug and they causes nine more symptoms and by the time you get to our age now you're popping more pills than blueberries and they get a problem with that system. So I think

what our hope is the only person who doesn't want to be sick is the consumer who is sick and we decided we are going to actually go around the system to the people who want to be healthy and And once you do that, this is literally how disruption happened. Anyone who has ever never read the book, you should read a book called Innovators Delima by Clayton Christianson. And he talks about that most people think that innovation, when you have a new innovative system,

you should go to where the industry is. So that means go to the healthcare system because that to where the industry is. So that means go to the healthcare system because that's where the money is. What happens is the healthcare system is an organism. Anytime something new comes up, its immune system becomes highly active and it wants to kill the something novel. And what's this?

The most disruption comes from outside the industry. So if you look at IBM PCs, it didn't come, or the, so every innovation, whether these cell phones, whether it is PCs, they all came around the industry. So if you look at IBM PCs, it didn't come. So every innovation, whether these cell phones, whether it is PCs, they all came around the system. They didn't enter the system through where the industry was. So I believe the best way to do that is for us all to come together, people who believe in the mission. And suddenly we will have so much data, so much efficacy, then suddenly the system will have no choice but to adopt the prevention as a mechanism of cure.

Thank you. Your ideas are so revolutionary and also I love all the analogies. You, you, thank you so much, Naveen. Thank you, Vagisha. That was a great question. Now, Naveen, I know you just have a couple minutes left. So I'm going to let you say your goodbyes. Could you leave us on a

positive note? Let us know what you think your predictions are for the future of health and tech. So I can tell you that our future is very, very bright. And in the reason is the technology is moving at a

pace that within the next 10 to 15 years, the problems that look unsolvable are going to get solved. So all I can say is everyone who is listening to it dreams so big that people think you're crazy and never be afraid to fail because you only fail when you give up everything else is simply a pivot. So live a life of an adventure, live in life that has ups and downs. Don't settle for a smooth life because when you look at your heartbeat it's constantly going up and down, when it is smooth, you're dead. So don't live a smooth life, that's a life of a dead person. Live in life of a heartbeat that tells you you your life. So embrace the ups and embrace the downs.

Just enjoy as it comes. What a great way to end the show. Thank you so much, Navin. You are such an inspiration. I love all the work that you do. I would love to host you back on Clubhouse. Clearly, there's a demand for it. We've got lots of hands raised.

Lots of people didn't get to ask their questions. So maybe we can have you back soon. But thank you so much for your time, Neveen. Thank you, Hala, with that piece soon. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Bye. All right, guys, thank you guys so much for tuning into this live episode of Young and Profiting Podcast. I want to say thank you to my moderators on stage for your support. I'm sorry for you guys who didn't get to ask a question. Samira, I know we missed out on you. I owe you one.

Make sure you DM me on Instagram. I'll do something special for you. And for now, this is Hala and friends signing off. Thanks for listening to Young and Profiting Podcast. I don't know about you guys, but I am sold and ready to take my volume test. I feel like I learned so much in this interview and I can't wait to see the positive changes

all seen my body once I get my results back from volume. And more than just me, bigger picture, I can't wait to see the positive impact this technology has on the world. We can make illness optional. This is a revolutionary concept and it's revolutionary technology. Guys, Navine is not giving me a dime. I just support this mission. Head to Viam.com and use promo code Clubhouse10 for $10 off checkout.

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