Your Mom's House with Christina P. and Tom Segura - Murder, Mystery, And Mommies w/ Susan Hendricks | Your Mom's House Ep. 793

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

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What's up everybody! It's me, Tom Segura. I will be in San Francisco, January 24th at the Chase Center, January 30th, I'm in Athens, Georgia, January 31st, Savannah, Georgia, February 1st, North Charleston, South Carolina, and February 27th, Evansville, Indiana. All the dates and info are at at tomscigaro.com slash tour. Welcome, welcome, welcome to your mom's house. What's everybody? We are back, we are here. And it is time to get going. This is a huge episode. It's great to be doing this show

for a year number 15, I think. No way, Jose. Are you serious? Oh, we started in 2010, so. God damn. It was later in 2010, but still. It'll be 15 at some point this year. Still my favorite thing to do in the whole wide world.

It's so much fun. To look at my Jean, my Jean Saint-Jean, and talk about farting and cumming and all sorts of good stuff. All types of neat things Rod my this year like a horse is Stacked we have to slow roll the announcement of all the things happening this year, but just know this is a Super packed year for us

I'm still on tour I will be shooting a special at some point this year. I have a show coming out I got some other things that I'm shooting. We're gonna be doing some stuff, YMH Studios. That's right. It's very exciting. There's a lot of stuff happening this year. There's a lot of stuff happening.

I'm not touring yet, because I'm still recovering from all my, oh, I know, bullshit. I know, I'm sorry you had Invisalign, and that was really traumatic. Yeah, it was. I had my own things going on. It's not a joke.

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What do you say there, pal? Bro, if I think it is what it is, I'm gonna be real excited. You don't know what it is yet. You don't know what it is yet, but this one's cool. Here we go Happy Saturday He's gonna puke yes, he is, you fucking liar. I hate you so much, you dumb- He's not!

Stop it! You're fucked, you know that? I hate you. I hate you so much! Yes he is, and I'm not looking. He's ruining the clip. It really does just- taste like cinnamon crunch. That's really good. It is always randy.

Don't bring anyone loving to this. Your mom and the fuck is dead! Welcome. Welcome to your mom's house. With Tom Segura. Tom Segura. And Christina Pazitzy. Christina Pazitzy. Welcome to your mom's house.

Hey Tom. I don't like you. You know what? I just got inspired for new artwork. No! Yes. He doesn't throw up. I hate you so much. You fucking ruined it. I don't want to listen to it. I love it. You ruined it. He doesn't throw up. Happy Saturday. What's wrong with his mouth? He's doing a gag. He is? How? Can you even curl your lip under? The whole time it doesn't pop out? You think that's really what it looks like? What do you think? He doesn't throw up. It really does Taste like cinnamon crunch That's really good That is his lip I guess I think it's his lip. I

Hope your lip looks like I thought you said it doesn't bother you know what you're putting your tea Why did you take it out? And I'm not gonna tell you why didn't why you take it out? You said it doesn't bother you anymore. I don't like it. I don't like I like either seeing it or not I don't like the in-between What I I don't like it. I don't like, I like either seeing it or not. I don't like the in-between. What? I don't like waiting the anticipation of this, the sound and the thing. Like I'd rather just see the thing. You literally were like, it doesn't bother me anymore. I, it's, what do you want from me? It's not my fault. My reaction.

What do you want me to do? Your reaction's stupid. You're stupid. You're stupid. You smell bad. I'm going to fucking draw another artwork for you. Stupid. You're stupid, you're stupid. You smell bad, I'm gonna fuckin' draw another artwork for you. Stupid, you're stupid. Your mother. So annoyed. Why would you open on that?

Why would you open on that? But I don't like that. You know it doesn't make me laugh. So that's just for you? Well, what, I don't get to laugh? I'm not allowed to laugh? Can you please do a palate cleanse or something better than this?

But you're ruining the vibe, just so you know. No, no, you've already ruined the vibe. No, the vibe was great. We were having fun, we were listening. Everyone was having a good time. Nobody liked it. Everybody was having a good time. Nobody liked it in there.

Really? Ask them. Ask them. I don't think it's funny. Jesus. Please, play something different. God, stop talking. You stop talking.

You're ruining everything. You're ruining everything. No, you are. You. You are, You're ruining everything. No, you are. You. You are, and you always do. Stop. I always! Yes.

This is like- Always. Your big flaw is that you ruin everything. Oh my god! Like we were all having fun, and then you ruined it. You knew that I wouldn't like the comic. No, he just- no. You knew I wouldn't like it.

He doesn't throw up, and you just got through saying it doesn't bother you! You planned that before. You just said it doesn't bother- I know, I You just said it doesn't bother you said I changed my mind I changed my mind the lady changed her fucking mind and you said it last week. You're like doesn't bother me anymore You said this I know well then show me another barf clip and I'll watch it. I didn't like the in-between I don't like the anticipation just show me someone puking or not fine. Show me someone else puking. I'll watch it Why are so many guys on here obsessed with saying, just be gay? Like, why do I have to just label myself when the more gay things I do, the more I want to

eat clams, young nubile clams from the west coast of British Columbia. That is fucking vile. I love him. No, he's so free. Can you imagine being this free and this happy? I just love him. I love that he's so he's just he just is. He's everything. Will Blunderfeld. Taking a shit like a gnarly shit while he talks about it. I guess everyone's saying just be gay,

is he not just being gay? But you can't label him. But he is doing gay shit constantly. He's saying he's not gay? He doesn't wanna label it as gay shit. That's the whole problem. It's just shit, it's dude shit is what he's trying to say. Okay. Maybe you should stop being so closed-minded and go on

Go visit him go on retreat fine any Well, yeah, would you come on a retreat with will? Oh, no Why why big you know, right how come how come? Yeah, how come? Well yeah. Nigga the video. That video. That's why. Well which one? What do you mean which? Any of them? Well. You can pick any of his videos. Could we do, could you do it if you just went to- So this is what y'all talking about in the conference room before y'all come in. No no. This is what y'all, oh how could we get Annie to do some gay shit? No no no no no not to do gay shit, not to do gay shit.

No, no, would you just go on a retreat? Hold on, hold on. Yeah, I'm waiting. Okay. Where you listen and you are participating to the level that you are comfortable with. No, no, I'm saying, just like learning, listening, growing, participating. Not doing gay shit. So what shit we doing?

Well, you know. No, I don't. Well, you're just learning, man. Nah, learning about what, dog? Learning about what? Is this an electrician course? What's he teaching me? Fucking trade skills and shit? Just to be, you know. To was he teaching me fucking trade skills and just to be you know

Did be more masculine? How do how to harness your masculine energy or cheat and you don't have to do anything like nude unless you want to Yeah I think I'm straight on this. I think I'm straight. I don't know what I could learn. Okay wear boxers Hold on you wear boxers. I'm wear like 12 boxers Okay, you wear multiple boxers wearing boxers shorts pants and you just let the the guru kind of guide you This is crazy. Come on. Is this a real ask? Yeah, actually asking me this I'm kind of are how did you think this was gonna go? I'm well, I thought that you would not want to but

But I do think there's a path to growth, you know, mm-hmm How much money would you say the would be a thing to this path? I mean there would be a fee involved obviously There would be a fee. Yeah, how big is that fee? I mean we can you know Let's let's say it on the show. Let's say it on the show everybody needs to know well It's not gonna come on. We can't talk. It's not this is not lottery stuff. I mean it would be a fee What does that what do you mean lottery stuff? What does that mean? Yeah, like you can't just throw out some crazy fucking number to go to a retreat. You know I'm gonna do it like your mom I'm gonna do it like a mom. I'm gonna throw out a crazy number. We're gonna do this

What's your fee for going to a retreat? I'm thinking like 50k. 50k?! Oh my god. To better yourself, this is for you. It's for your benefit. Okay, you gotta come down from that. He's acting like... 49k. He's acting like this isn't in his benefit.

I know. You're gonna learn so much, you're gonna come back a more masculine man. Come on, dude. You know what really made me look like a masculine man? What? That nice little rolly on this arm right here, or maybe two little rolls. Two? Damn. That made me feel real masculine.

You know what though? 450K in my hand. Any, any. By the way, you owe us because I hear that you're so fat that you've been breaking our chairs. Huh? Yeah. They say you broke the chairs in the conference room. You've been breaking our chairs. Huh? Yeah. They say you broke the chairs in the conference room. You've been breaking chairs. What?

You owe us. What is happening? Those chairs are ergonomic, $20,000 a piece. Yeah, maybe skip a few meals, man. Like how much are you weighing now? I'm confused. I don't know what this is, but I'm- You broke chairs.

You owe us. I broke chairs. You owe us is what I'm saying. I had never broke a chair. Yes you did in the conference room. They told us. What are you talking about us they all said that you broke the chairs You are leaning back because you're so fat. Oh, you mean no no no see what they mean to say is that they're stupid and they Don't know how to fucking use chairs nigga. I didn't break shit. Let me push a button

I'll fix it right back up if I got you a really nice watch would you go on the retreat? How much how expensive is this watch if I were to take it to the nearest pawn shop? You're gonna pawn it? No don't pawn it. Don't do that. It's an asset. It's an asset? Yeah, it'll increase value over over time. I'll get you a nice one. It'll appreciate in value.

I mean... You don't want to sell it. But see I'd rather just buy myself one, you know what I'm saying? Okay, okay. Let's say, okay, how about, okay. Alright. Alright, 40,000. One you know okay, okay? Let's say okay. How about okay? All right? God, just take that I can't give you $40,000 to go on a retreat man. Why not it's insane. That's not insane that is insane

This is an insane as to ask a black man to do some low-key gay. It ain't low-key gay Okay, so you're right. Oh, so are the samurai all gay. Oh my god. That's true Tom. Good point samurai. Ain't niggas All right, good answer now Come on man, you think there's no gay blacks black people in the world Is that what you're trying to assert how did how did you get this? Well, he's the assertion is that black people can't be gay that they just as nice How did you get, this is crazy. The assertion is that black people can't be gay. That date just is nice.

That is a nice one. Boy, I bet they'll look real nice on Eni's wrist. Oh my God. After his retreat, after he's built muscle and endurance and strength. Zolo, can you go ahead and copy paste that model into Google, put shopping in there? They got prices right there. What is that, 10? That's not right. That's too low for you, a $10 right there. What is that? 10.

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I owe you 10? Mm-hmm. I owe you $10,000? From the basketball game. What? When he won against Ryan? Mm-hmm. I thought we were doing something else from that. No, we cancelled it

We cancelled it. Oh my god, that's on you. How do we cancel it? What do you mean? What do you mean? And he cancelled it he won air hair plugs and then he goes then he goes changes his mind We were gonna fly you to Turkey to get your oh, yeah. You're all in on here Yeah, and then you change your mind. That's not our fault I mean we could do that too Yeah, but you got you can't back out and then change what you want after that we have to sign a contract See, I mean, but you can't change your mind and then go oh, but we owe you money I didn't change my mind. We said we said

What do we say we said 10k we said 10 G's and? Yeah, and then Ryan accepted what you mean? Ryan accepted mm-hmm and what happened there? We said he ended up y'all said ended up saying oh this is unreasonable we shouldn't do that because you know that's not what was it that was not fair to me because what if I lost and it's too much isn't that? Oh it was like a bet mm-hmm I got you. Yeah all right I'm a little confused. I'm confused too, but then I thought we ended up saying that the prize for any would be a trip to Turkey

to get hair. Yes. That was what we agreed on. That was, and then he came in and he was like, I don't wanna do that anymore. Then he changed his mind about what the prize was. I agree, it's very confusing. I'll tell you what, we'll settle all of it, 50,000.

You can't. Oh, sorry, This is ridiculous. You know what? Forget it. We got to get you to go on this retreat, man. Please go on the retreat. Please. What do you mean? This is, I can't believe this is a serious ask. It's a serious ask. I can't believe this is a serious ask. Please. I mean, I'm saying please too. No, I know but it's that your your pleas is unreasonable

You can't give you fifty thousand Tom which retreat are we doing? Is it wills retreat? Yeah. Oh, you got to go do that You see you see It's like I don't even know I don't even know if like I don't even know a 50k like if I'm really gonna do that and then I get there and He's like, yeah first you first thing you got you gotta do you just touch my dick a little bit it's like oh no that's not his style it's all voluntary whatever you do is is voluntary but he is not gonna force you to do come on dude that's not how he is I don't think you would just take one for the team and go take one for the

team for the sake of fun and self-growth. Come on, man. I mean, I just don't understand why you would refuse this help. It's so good. Just do it. Can we say you'll do it? We cannot say it. This is crazy. Come on. Good job, push. Don't you like being part of the team? I love being part of the team.

Well then come on, just do it. This is what it takes to be a part of the team? Yes. Well this is how you're one of the leaders on the team, yeah. What? You're a leader. I'm a leader. Yes.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right, that's a yes. You're doing it. I did not say that. Okay, great, it's done. I did not say that. Let's say it's mostly settled.

I did not say that. Yes. This is a conversation, I'm having a conversation. I didn't say yes, it's crazy. Okay, well we revisit, but basically, he's pretty much, he's going. He's psyched. Okay, so I'm excited for you. Here's the thing. I already have your prize for you for going

Hey black man. How are you? It's freaking And what kind of a person besides the snow bunny goes out in the snow in short person besides the snow bunny goes out in the snow in shorts. Anyways, I was just going to tell you that if you get you a snow bunny, we take care of your hair, we take care of your beard, we take care of getting reservations for food, we take care of stuff black guys struggle with. We take care of making snow snowman's do you want to build a snowman we take care of Casserole dishes for the family parties nice we take care of Everything hey black man. There she is. You know what time it is. It's almost tax season

Time to get you a snow bunny cuz nobody got that bread This is like a appealing thing to you I mean, it's appealing to look at I love I love watching this girl on Instagram But I would never get with that though that bipolar crazy shit. She's crazy. Yeah, that's why I Mania does great. I thought boys liked crazy chicks because they really put out. Yes, boys, you're right.

Boys, oh, men are over. Crazy? Men understand the consequences that come with those. Oh, right, yeah, the fatal attraction. It seems like you already went to Will's fucking retreat. You were talking like a grown man. That's right. That's right, and you know what?

It's a new chapter in your life. It's time to expand your horizons and try new things. Yeah, that's right. And you know what? It's time. It's a new chapter in your life It's time to expand your horizons and try new things Yeah, she says here that she's married and has two kids to a black man. Yeah. Oh sweet, but why she Listen, what better way to start your new years out when they snow money. That was spooky. She really loves black. Am I having a stroke or was that? She put it in slow mo.

You didn't, you put it in slow mo. It's like, either I did too many micro doses in the last week or, okay, okay, okay. She just looked, hey, can I, I think the new, remember what eyebrows were? Yeah. Eyebrows used to be the tell for crazy chicks. Yeah, yeah.

The new eyebrows is eyelashes. Oh, eyelashes. The lash extensions, let it look like that. Eyebrows are still a pretty good indicator, but yeah. Yeah. If you shaved your eyebrows and penciled them on, you're crazy. And if you do eyelashes like this chunky extensions, you're absolutely insane.

By the way, and this has been something I've been hearing a long, long time, because Eni brought up the basketball game. Ryan has been wanting to rematch Eni for a while. This is ridiculous. We're going to do this again. He wants to do it again. No way, Jose. Oh my god, bro. That's awesome. Well, Ryan's in much better shape. We're gonna do this again. He wants to do it again.

No way, Jose. Oh my god, bro. That's awesome. Well, Ryan's in much better shape. Yeah, it's this thing. He's lost a lot of weight. He's lost weight. He's been working out.

He's been taking good care of himself. Yep. Damn. Could be. Yeah, that'd be cool, except no rematch. Sorry, buddy. One and done. Hey.

Oh, he's afraid. How about if Ryan wins, you go to the retreat what the no why no no I'm already signing you up dude no yes no yes this is not gonna this has to happen Thomas come on any Thomas are we not friends this is not how you see this is how now I know how I sound when I do this to people. Okay, now I know how this feels. I see, okay. This is not gonna happen. All right, we're getting there.

Whatever. We're getting there. I am sending a message to him. You are? What are you saying? Are you telling Ryan that anything's good? That any wants to go, yes. Any, just do it.

Come on. What happened? Have the people. You know what I mean? I think you need to retreat more than ever because you used to have this confidence. Remember when anyone's confident? Used to.

And now you're just kind of like, oh, I don't wanna challenge Ryan. I can't, I'm afraid. Like, I feel like your confidence is waning. You need this retreat more than you know. Damn, now you just gonna try to hurt my feelings? Well, you need to build yourself, your masculine energy back up.

Yeah. Will can help you build that. Will can help you out. You wanna be a real fucking man like this guy? Zoinks! Fuck dude Oh fuck dude. Oh fuck dude. Wow, it didn't come out. It didn't come out. It didn't come out, yeah.

That's why he's not in royal pain. He was. You need alcohol to do that. He grips it and you can hear it clank against his teeth. Yeah, you need to be on drugs to do that to yourself. You need to be high on meth, opium. He needs Falcon Car Wash. Drinks, yeah.

Needs a little bit of Pepsi in a cup with some dog food on a knife. I don't sleep on a knife. Arrrr! He's like, mm, mm, mm. Yeah, you need to be on drugs to do this. That's the problem, he's sober. Yeah, man.

Damn. Oh, man. Damn. Oh man. This is America, right? You dumb motherfucker. You gotta get it going buddy. That's how you do it. Insanity. Here's a guy who looks pretty cool. This is a, I think maybe a holiday video. Here's a guy who looks pretty cool. This is I think maybe a holiday video

That guy's face is wrecked yeah That fall yep From the choke to the floor, landing on your face. He just did it to himself. He totally did, everything was to himself. That's the sad part, in slow motion. Yeah. It wasn't even that. They were like, get the fuck out of here.

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We have, how do you say it in English? Cucumbers. Cucumbers. How do you say it in English? How do you say? Como se dice? There's been some questions about where I'm born. I'm born in Boston.

So some of my childhood in Boston, some of my childhood in Spain. Got it. So that's why she was like, I don't know how to say. How do you say? Do it, Tommy, do her, cause you do that. How do you say? Tell her all these charges feel.

I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say. You're not going to ask me questions. You're're not gonna ask me questions. I'm gonna tell you okay Okay, I want you guys to realize that we have seven kids. She's you being here being here to Escort them to school escort them to school. They school home is not good It's not good so on a human level you guys know I'm not gonna say anything to you I'm not you know that no, so please Please my family in peace please and let this all play out She talks like she was born in fucking Honduras or some shit. It's so funny

Hilaria Lynn Hayward Thomas From Boston, sorry Hillary Hills from Boston She is of English French. Sorry, it's Hillary. Hillary Hills. From Boston. She is of English, French, Canadian, German, Irish and Slovak descent. She says she was raised in a Spanish speaking household and traveled to Spain annually. She also says she began to use the name Ilaria as she got older. So anyway.

Please, it's not good for my children, but why are you photographing me and my children? Here's the newest one. Oh my God. I can just explain what your. I mean, I don't know what that one is, but I can tell you that my tortilla potatoes, you have to not cut them too tiny because they're not going to have the right texture and then I my husband hates

um, cebolla Onions I forgot it Cebolla Cebolla So he hates cebolla and so I grind cebolla and ash hole Oh my god, and ash hole. What does she grind? My husband hates um, what's the word for it? Onions.

How you say? How you say. She's like how my mom talks. Oh, I know. That's how my mom talks. Yes. Who learned English at 31. Yeah.

She's claiming to forget her native tongue. It's just, it is so fun. How you say? How you say? And I make this tortilla here for you. And then my husband, he don't like, how do you say? On Jones? I forget.

I forget it, how do you say? My first language. My first language. How you say in English? Why, and she also has that baby voice, like that highly voice. If you're, listen, if you've been sexually assaulted no it's true that's why all the girls in porn they have high register it's a sign

of assault just lower the register in your voice and you'll sound way more intelligent no listen it's true story I believe it was Margaret Thatcher when she started working in Parliament yeah had a vocal coach to bring her voice down a few octaves. Because it's not pleasant to listen to it up here. It's not pleasant. Well, you feel like you're listening to a kid. You're listening to a little girl. You wanna listen to an authority,

you want the authority to have a deeper register. Like you, you got that gravel. Well, yeah, just talk like you mean business, right? Like, I've been doing a lot of things out there. You got that gravel. Well, yeah, they just like, just talk like you mean business, right? I've been doing a lot of things out there. Guys, I've been thinking. Oi! Anyone know something?

Going to the UK soon. Oi, that's right, love. Yeah. Oi, I'm Margaret Thatcher. First fucking things first. It's the Prime Minister! Hi! Higher taxes!

We are going to the UK. Oh no, I can't fucking wait mate. I have a tour. I'm so excited. Some of it is outside of the UK but it's still in the region. I'll be going to Dublin, Glasgow, London, Manchester, Birmingham, Cardiff and am I forgetting one? I don't remember. Bam Cardiff where am I?

Wales no that isn't Cardiff. Cardiff is Wales. Is Birmingham? Bam is Birmingham that's outside of London. It's all down in March. Let's see I'm so excited. Oh Belfast forgot Belfast Glasgow. Oh Nottingham.

Nottingham. Nottingham. Nottingham. Nottingham. That's exciting, mate. Wembley. He's doing the Wembley. Yep. It's all very exciting.

This is so rad. I can't wait to come. We're going to have the greatest family vacay. It'll be fun. Oi. Oi. What? No, you got to practice your cool British accent.

Oi. Nay. Nay. Nay is Australian. Nay. I know. They were... you know that that was a thing last night at bottom of the barrel? What? One of the things was like, how Australians say no.

Yeah. And then there was an Australian guy in the audience, and we made him speak. Did he say it? He went, nay. He was like, no. And I was like, you're not fucking doing it right. He was like, no.

We're like, say water. He was like, water. And we were like, that's, I get it. We were kind of come up with things that, for him to say that we would be lost on. It was very fun. Well, I can't wait for you to do your Cockney accent in England and tell people you love them and happy birthday.

Happy birthday, it's your birthday. It's your birthday. Especially when you tip people, it's your birthday. It's your birthday, happy birthday. Evening, governor. Hello. It's your birthday. Oh, this is some serious news.

Sorry, we have to switch to something serious. On Jonions. This is serious, if you don't mind. Oh, I'm sorry. Please. Could you get serious for a second? I'm sorry. Not everything's a fucking joke. Okay So one of the great crimes Of modern times this has yet again happened. I have been misgendered three times in the past

No hours at restaurants last night I was at Benny Hanna with my girlfriend and the server said what about you sir? What would you like my girlfriend? God bless her heart steps in says actually that's ma'am And she looks at my girlfriend and didn't really understand what it happened and said no I'm talking to him pointing at me our jaws were on the floor And we decided to leave because it was just a bad vibe Yeah, and just a few minutes ago I was at another restaurant for lunch and they showed me my seat and said,

here you go, sir. And I said, I am not a sir. Yeah. So fucking crazy that this keeps happening. I'll tell you why it keeps happening. It's cause you look like a guy. And you talk like a guy. Yeah.

So if you want people to fucking start calling you ma'am, start looking like one. I know. You're not putting in'am, start looking like one. I know. You're not putting in enough effort, fuckface. No, no. You gotta fucking try harder. There's a reason that everyone keeps doing this to you, is because your level of effort sucks.

Step it up. You have a masculine fucking face. I know. Go get some surgery, wear a prettier dress, get better hair, and start talking in a higher voice. Nicholaria. Yeah.

Also, maybe not wear a bark collar out in the world. I thought that was a voice adapter changer. I wish. Just a microphone. That's a, now it's a microphone. It looks like that collar you put on your dog so it doesn't bark when people ring the doorbell. I don't know how you can get mad at this fucking clown

He's been all it crazy so upset with people miss constantly misgendering me And you know who he gets mad at the bus boys and like people that have no you know Yeah, sweet fucking El Salvador in person pouring water Yes, he's like for fuck's sake He's like, for fuck's sake. It's just like a nice little immigrant guy. Yes. I'll tell you what too. I really do wish in another life, if I could open up a shop to consult trans women, like

help these dudes actually look like women. I would love to do that. And then I left because I wasn't comfortable anymore. And I went to a new restaurant and I asked before I sit down, where's the bathroom? And they said, well? I would love to do that. And then I left because I wasn't comfortable anymore. And I went to a new restaurant and I asked before I sit down, where's the bathroom please? And they said, oh, it's right this way sir. And I just left because I wasn't comfortable anymore. So you're just going to keep leaving every place. If you're a surfer in the food industry, you don't need to use words like sir or ma'am.

There are ways to be respectful without using those words. And if you get it wrong for someone like me, I will probably leave the restaurant. And it puts like a bad vibe on my day when it happens, especially when it happens three times in a row. Yeah. But this is fair to say also, this person is mentally ill. This, this is a complete lunatic. Like after seeing a series of these videos, you're like, okay, well, I think this is all a charade. And it's all about picking fights. It's like this person's waiting to be called out

and then get mad on TikTok. Like, just relax. And he's waiting to go in with his fucking- Dog collar. Well, his dog collar and his dock worker face and going like, hey, how come no one's like, excuse me, miss, because no one sees it. And then you're just and going like, hey, how come no one's like, excuse me, miss, because no one sees it.

Cause and then you're just going to be like, I'm going to keep going into places. It's like the definition of insanity. It is, it is. And I think, I imagine, I think this person lives in San Francisco, I want to say, which is a very open, lenient, um, trans friendly town. So, I mean, there's nothing but trans. And it just goes all the way back to your level of effort. You're just not trying hard enough.

No, you should try harder. I definitely need to get your face shit done, taken care of. Yeah, his face is still very masculine. It's not passing. See my wild side. I show everything. Oh, that's why he's doing this. But including a cock, which also belongs to men.

Watch me jack off with my feminine dick. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, come on. Now, wait, the gig is up. We know what you're doing. Yeah, this is all. Just directing traffic to the OnlyFans, huh? Got it.

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You know what we want to hear. I love this. I love this dude. That shift was really fucking scary. Yeah. That was terrifying. Let's watch it again. Yeah that was so scary. What's everybody?

Is this a message for Charo? Uh oh. Getting on only things girl. You know what we want to hear. Scary what's everybody? Is the message for charo? Yeah? Okay? Get on only things girl You know we want here. Yeah, it's great and by the way, he's got the cool guy angle Yeah, he's got bad the audio. I like it. He's got music looks like he's cooking or something. We're painting got an apron on Hey hitlers Brandon from Ohio. Just wanted to weigh in on the Charo OnlyFans debacle. Big time yes. Yes, yes, yes. The people want to see it. The people need to see it. It's riveting. It's exciting. It's new. I'd pay 15 bucks a month. Wow. Let's get Charo on OnlyFans. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much for that. That was great.

That was awesome. Hey Charlie, this is Lutid Yes from Scotland telling you to get your arse in gear and get that OnlyFans made. Let it rip! Yes, thank you. This guy's awesome. There's excitement around this

and I think we're gonna get her in here soon. We're gonna show her these and I hopefully think we can get a page going. She's getting ready. She's getting ready. She's getting her Botox today. That's right. Yeah, taking her to get her face.

Yeah, I got a cool phone call. What happened? She was like, I'm on my way to do this thing. I'm like, okay. I'm driving. She's like, how do I pay for this? Oh my God. Which is basically like, how are you gonna pay for this?

And I was like, I don't know, I'll reimburse you. And she's like, yeah, I think I have a checkbook. I go, you're gonna bring a checkbook? A check. God, you really are old as shit. I know. Anyway. She wants you to pay for it.

I got her a ride today. I gave her a ride. You took her? I didn't take her, but I got somebody to drive her. You hired someone to drive her. So she's shaking me down for the ride, and now she's shaking you down for the money. It never ends.

This is crazy. She's not destitute. She is not poor. At all. At all. I can't believe she just shakes us down for everything. Everything, everything. I can't believe she just did it to me now.

She's shaking me down. Yesterday it was, can I have a bag? Yeah, you have so many bags ask me for a bag So this is like luggage, right and I do have a lot of luggage. Yeah, just years of so much travel So I was like Okay, give me this backpack. I'm like now I just bought this backpack. Well, give it to me. I'm like no And so then she goes, don't you have something? Something I can have? So I fucking emptied a bag and I go here.

And I gave her a bag and I go, I don't think you're gonna wanna take this. Why? I go, because it's empty right now. When it's full, it's a duffel. You're not gonna wanna throw it over your shoulder, you know? Of course, it's heavy. No, it's fine.

And then in the car, I'm like, I really think you're not gonna like that unless it's full of your stuff. You are right. I go, yeah. She goes, so you have another bag? I go, yeah, I have a roller bag. I'll give you a roller bag,

because you're not gonna wanna lug one over your shoulder. No, you are right. When can I have the roller? I'm like, the fucking next time you come over. Unbelievable. She wants everything and she wants it right now. She should pair up with the fucking misgendered person. I feel like they would be a good match.

You know what we should do, I was thinking, because every time she sees what I have, she wants it. She wants my handbag. She gets in my car yesterday and she's like, oh, what do I have to do to get this bag? I go nothing, you can't have this. Here's what we should do. Let's go to the 99 cent store and just buy a bunch of shit.

A bunch of bullshit. And wrap every single thing so when she comes over, like, oh, we got you something. It's like a toddler. So she can feel like she unwrapped a gift. Yeah. Are you retarded? Yeah. So retarded. Yeah. So she can feel like she unwrapped a gift. Yeah. Are you retarded? Yeah.

So retarded. Yeah, she is. Annie, you really need to take a shit. Don't forget. I know you're black and you guys do your own thing, but you still have to shit. Thank you, Charles. Yep. That's very true.

Thank you for the reminder. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And we are back. You know, our guest perhaps from HLN, maybe CNN, and she's also the author of Down the Hill, My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. It's Susan Hendricks, everybody.

Yeah, good to see you guys. Thank you for coming. I'm so excited to be here. We're very excited, me in particular. He's been erect all day just thinking about talking about murders with you. I mean, you know that most of our television consumption is Jason, basically her just literally every night when I get into bed, she goes, are you going to watch a murder?

And she's like, I'm going to go to bed as you watch a murder. No, no, no. I go, what are you going to watch genocide, murder, serial killers, kidnapping? What awful thing are you going to do? And then she drifts off as I dive into a new story. Well, they're captivating. They bring you in. Thank you for doing this, because one of the reasons I'm ha... is that she also is like, you know, you're a sick person.

Yeah, like, she'll say this to me, right? She's like, you're sick. Something's wrong with you. Why are you watching this? Before sleep! What are you filling your head with? And then I also would be like, hey, you realize this is the number one show trending right now. Like she thinks, I'm like, you think they produce this for me?

Like there's a lot of people watching this. Let me tell you, we watched that documentary the other night and I couldn't sleep for two, what was it called again? You're talking about Lover Killer, Mother Stalker, Lover Stalker Killer. And I couldn't sleep for hours. I was so upset. I felt traumatized. I felt sick to my stomach. Now, how is it that, how do you, how do you live with this stuff? I was watching an episode, you guys, you know, I'm so excited to be here again. I'm a huge fan. You guys got me through COVID.

Thank you. I would come back and from the numbers ticking up at CNN and then it's like fight or flight constantly. And then I'd come home and I'd listen to Sebastian and Pecoria, you guys, and now my algorithm is, that's all I listen to is you guys. But right, my sister would say, oh, I fall asleep to forensic files. And when covering the story out of Delphi, it was two young girls murdered in the middle of the day and I was sent there by CNN.

I didn't know about the story much about it, just that the 14-year-old Libby was able to hit record on her cell phone, and they got this kind of, the guy on this abandoned bridge in the woods. I used to play outside, it was Gen X, that's what you did, come home when the lights go on. It was a day off from school, they were down there, and it was secluded, and she was able to, he was a blurry version, because he was far away,

but they got his voice saying, guys down the hill. So I was sent here, he was a blurry version because he was far away, but they got his voice saying guys down the hill. So I was in here, I met the families. Normally with the news cycle, when I'm in studio, teleprompter story, you know, the A block, the B block, it's very formulaic. So you care, but you're onto the next, the next, the next. Well, this one, I was in their kitchen.

I had spaghetti with the families. I saw their rooms and I went, oh my, I saw the bridge and they were looking for the guy. Fast forward, I really got to know them well, especially Libby's family and every family deals with it differently. And Libby's family was very open. They were speaking at CrimeCon, holding up a sketch like, we need help finding this guy. And I think that was their focus to get them through and Mike, Libby's grandfather, was there and he would say come to the meet and greet and I said it's inappropriate I shouldn't be here that I'm not part of these. He said come and he kicked me under

the table because in a nice way but say you have to be here these women would show up and cry they're waiting in line care. So I think what I found out through this whole community is the connection. So a crime connoissee there people who have who have literally gone through it. I interviewed BTK daughter Carrie Ross and on stage because I've met her through Kelsey's sister this girl. Well, she said I trust you, Susan. I gave Carrie your your name said, okay She just wrote a book. I said that's fine. And I met her she's amazing and she's shaking backstage and she said I'm nervous

People don't like me They say that I look like my father and I'm so glad that this family is nice to me cuz I'm on the other side And I said what other side there's no what you didn't do this. It was your father. She said I had no clue Susan He'd make me scrambled eggs. He'd say fill up your tires before driving back to college, walked her down the aisle. And that to me, I got that it's part of the fascination. Like, yeah, what? Wait a minute, what? Because the Mansons look like man. Yeah, the father and with this, it ended up being a guy.

CVS father, he walked his daughter down the aisle at CVS. When the aunt of one of the girls walked in crying for the funeral and said, develop a picture for her, he said, it's on me. It was him. He looks normal. We think that they're not going to look normal. That's part of the fascination, right? Is that first of all, I think you just, these are behaviors that all,

extreme violence is accessible to everyone. In other words, everyone has thought, God, I wanna kill this person. I'm so mad I wanna hit this person. But you always, you stop yourself, right? Like you wanna, you're so angry. And so the fact that somebody is capable of doing that, I think is part of the fascination

that somebody crosses the line, right? And then there's the story aspects to this because they're fascinating, like, how did the person go about doing this horrible thing? And then- Got away with it for five years, yeah. And to get away with it, and then how did we piece together

the investigation to catch the person? So that whole arc, I think, is why these stories never get old. It's just always, you're like, how did this happen? How can somebody do this? And then how do you catch them? And I have an eight-year-old son and I interviewed Anne Berger,

so I'm like, is it nature or nurture? Like, what is it? Can you raise a, like, what is it? She's like, well, that's the question that everyone asks, but it usually is. Not always, but there's abuse there We all want to like compartmentalize to be like why and the why is never like a oh, okay. I get it I get it. So he was 44 years old when he went down there and he said

when I first walked into this trial because I had seen him when they finally made an arrest and He he looked back at me and he didn't take his eyes off me first. And I went, like, you know how you normally do that? And I go, what's going on? This was a hearing before the trial. And Tara Libby's aunt said to me, oh, he always does this, he glares at us.

And he would look at me like this. The guy's like, five-four? And I'm like, what? 44 years old, wakes up one day and decides to murder someone. But I've gotten to know Paul Holes, who solved the Golden State Killer case, and he's like, Susan, you can have sick fantasies about this for years and never act on it.

That Golden State case is insane. What is that? Just tell me to remind me. Oh my God. It was originally. I'm scared. The person, because it happened from the 70s, and it was an ex-cop numbers were actually off the charts. It was sadistic. It was off the charts with how many people,

the murders are obviously the highlight, but the murders were the highlight. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it.

And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, he did it. And then he did it, he did it, he did it, I mean, his numbers were actually off the charts. It was sadistic. It was off the charts with how many people, not, the murders are obviously like the highlight, but if you know how many people he actually broke into homes and assaulted, even before that, it was like triple digits. And this is before, of course, cell phones, like with this guy who got caught, Richard Allen.

It was, he didn't bring a cell phone down there, but it's kind of like you're able to see his car pass a certain building, even though the town was less than 3,000 people. This guy who got caught, Richard Allen, he didn't bring a cell phone down there, but it's kind of like you're able to see his car pass a certain building, even though the town was less than 3,000 people, which I think it hurt him. 120 burglars. Jesus. 51.

Over years, and no one suspected he was an ex-cop, but what he would do, he'd tie up the husband, have him watch and put a crystal cup on his back and say, if I hear this smash, you're all dead. And he killed, I mean, countless people, of course. And finally, Paul Holt said to me, Susan, I had to look out for this. I put everything that aligned with what I thought.

I would say, okay, I think I got the guy. And he said, in everything that didn't, I'd kind of push away. And he said, I had to be very careful about that because it turned out that because the DNA came back, it wasn't the guy I thought it was. He pulled in front of his house and Paul Holes has the most amazing book. And he thought, I'm going to go in.

This is him. I know it's him. And he goes, thank God I didn't like what he fantasized about going in. And the first page of Paul Holes' book, he said he was so devoted. And he said, he was at this strip club and he thought to himself, he would see the young girl, he was with a bunch of guys and he'd say, I'd see her in like an autopsy table and he's like, I'm going crazy.

He's like, what the fuck am I doing, I'm going crazy. And he said he felt more comfortable though at an autopsy than a cocktail party. It ruined marriages, but he's good at it, I know. But he'd look at a scene and say, swab the foot, like he has a way of solving it. Yeah, this story was just, it was unbelievable. I mean, the HBO series, they had a series on it about- Michelle McNamara.

That's right. That's Pat Narsawals. Married to that actor. Yes. And she was obsessed with the case. Obsessed. Died during. Yeah. And it was, yeah, case. Obsessed, died during. Yeah. And it was, yeah, it is one of the most incredible stories. If it wasn't for Michelle McNamara, and Paul Hulse points this out all the time,

it wouldn't have been solved. She became kind of a- She was like the driving force of this thing. Yes, like an armchair detective, so to speak, and really kind of dug into it and was taking things to sleep at night. And then it ended up accidentally killing her. The prescription mix was something.

And sometimes I have my sister call, don't get too much into crimes. Michelle McNamara died. Like you can't, you have to separate this. And my mom would say, can't you tell them you have kids now, no more murders. I'm like, mom, I can't go into seeing them. Like, excuse me.

Excuse me, no more murders. Well, that's what I was going to ask you too, Susan. This guy also just, by the way, was married kids, grandkids. Of course. They all have the profile of being a normal human. You don't know. Do you ever get afraid of retaliation? I do, but I think that I'm very skilled at compartmentalization. I don't know if that's a good thing.

I'm able to at compartmentalization. I don't know if that's a good thing. I'm able to tell other people's stories and focus on that. I don't get afraid, but my son the other day is in second grade, he goes, mom. He's just so sweet. He goes, so there was a mom today at reading and she writes poetry with my friend's mom. And I said to

him I'm like my mom writes books. What kind of books? He goes don't tell anybody. Murder. And my mom goes well at least he said don't tell anybody. I'm like the Catholic way like where but I told that to Nancy Grace I'm like I swear is it therapy is gonna be therapy? Murder? And then I when when I decided to write this and it's it's different because no one was caught at the time I just got to know the families and I thought there's something there about their perspective and Growing up by digress back to New Jersey I think I was like 10 or 11 our

Cousin the key family is like four very pretty girls and the dad worked in local politics so did my dad and the brother and she was murdered and My dad worked in local politics, so did my dad and the brother, and she was murdered. And I heard my parents talk about it, like on the landline, and we heard rumors like, was it a drug dealer in New Brunswick, New Jersey? No one ever talked about it. And our friend, whose sisters were friends with Kathy Keith, said it was a drug deal and it was this. So finally, when I was writing this,

I mentioned it and I said to my dad, dad, what happened? And he goes, oh, it was her boyfriend. I went, what do you mean boyfriend? I thought it was a drug dealer. He goes, well, they were doing drugs, but it wasn't a drug dealer. I'm like, why didn't you tell us?

He's like, when am I gonna tell my teenage girls about that? So I did call the sister and say, can I mention this? And it was, there was a newspaper article that I found. And it's funny because it says like the headline of this. And when the editor Hachette said more of this, but if the sister said, I don't wanna talk about it, I wouldn't have. And it was more like the headline was like,

dead woman is daughter of official. Did they get preferential treatment? Which was like the headline was like dead woman is daughter of official did did they get? preferential treatment Which was like the headline but anyway, so I thought is that why I don't know why but anyway it's I think it's about the draw to it is People want to understand why and I feel like they can they think that they could help maybe I'm not sure Do you did you find that, I mean, obviously this, this title is very telling my descent into this,

that you became obsessed with this then? Did you become obsessed? Oh, I did. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was used to being on set and there's a teleprompter and their stories. And you just move on.

I did Anderson show at night and I knew move on. And you're good at moving on. And then I got to know them too well. And I would just start crying for no reason. And then the pandemic hit and my sister's like, I think you're too involved. I'm like, I'm not too involved. I just, and I get criticized, like we all do online, I guess. But it's like, she's not a journalist. Who does she think she is? She's too nice

to the local cops. They were, I really like the local authorities. But I found out my cousin, Kevin Hendricks, who's 10 years younger than me, I still look at him as a kid. He's in the FBI. And I said, what do you, can you look into this? Like what's going on? There's tips. It's a town of less than 3000 people. It's like, but I think that was a deterrent.

You would think, oh, it's Jim. No, you don't think it's the guy who you like, who you see in town. So, he's like, okay, I'm going to write you back like this and don't look at this and open this as this. And's like, okay, I'm gonna write you back like this and don't look at this and open this as this. And I thought, I'm gonna see stuff. This is two years before and around.

And he goes, oh, forget it. I don't know what he goes. They shut the FBI out. They kicked him out. Because when someone's missing, the FBI is automatically invited in. The girls were missing. When their bodies were found, they have to be invited in.

And guess what they gave them? The tip line, nothing. The ego. So you think you see it in the girls were missing when their bodies were found they have to be invited in and guess what they gave them the tip line nothing The ego so it you think you see it Wait now why do you think because you have I'm sure a very clear perspective on this Why do you think these stories and this genre in particular appeals to women so much? That's such a good point or a good question. And I've wondered that too.

And Kevin Balfe who puts on CrimeCon, I've asked him that. And it's a funny story, him and his brother own Red Seat Ventures and Nancy Grace came to them after HLN and said it was kind of a podcast umbrella. And he said, oh, let's go to the crime conventions. And there were none. And he said, so we started one. He's like, it could have been a colossal failure. He goes, I didn't know. I wasn't really, he said, oh, let's go to the crime conventions. And there were none. And he said, so we started one.

He's like, it could have been a colossal failure because I didn't know. I wasn't really, he said, but what I found is that women either wanna know, and I've heard this said in kind of a joking manner, like women, when they go on a date, if they don't know, they're worried they're gonna get killed. Like women want to be armed with the information.

So I don't know if it's that, but the Scott Peterson, I think it's the person who doesn't look like a killer. And so you're like, wait a minute, that guy could, and Chris Watts, the most horrific, it's like he looks normal. Who's Chris Watts? The one horrible. He looks totally normal.

Killed his two little girls and the wife. And the wife. It got so bad and I'm good at staying at this level on the air. Well that day, it was the hearing where the prosecutor, I think he did this on purpose, explained everything he did to those girls. And I was with guys I'm usually with, contributors.

This was Joey Jackson, an attorney, and my eyes were watering. And I looked at him and I go, I got it. So we kept talking and it was horrific. Yeah. Because usually it is the husband, correct, that kills children. I want to tell future husbands, if you're thinking about doing this, or like you get caught.

It's the guy. They always get caught. But what about those anomaly cases like the John Benet Ramses or Madeline McCaughan, or they're like, oh, it's not the parents. Like, I mean. Usually, um, and even in the Delphi case, usually these internet, the thing I love about YouTube and I was able to find you guys in podcasts, everyone has a voice, but the bad news is everyone has a voice.

So some people could go on there and blame the families that have nothing to do with it. I think with murder and abuse of kids, if it, it usually happens inside the house of its family, outside the house, when they're on a bridge, it's not going to be, you're going to be like, dad, sure. You know, if they're walking towards through with, it depends who you ask with Maddie McCann. I never, um, ever thought, cause I covered that, but not as extensive as others. I never met the parents, but I always thought like something happened. And it's funny, I stayed at a hotel with my husband.

I'm like, nobody leave this room. I'm a little nuts now. A lot nuts. Because I'm like, didn't you see the Maddie McCann thing? You think of everything that could happen. And he's like, we have a sitter. There's a sitter there. I'm like, should we not bring the kids? So you always think at the worst case scenario. But there are people out there who said, maybe it was an accidental death and the parents covered up. But you can find anything that you believe. That's true. That whole cover up and maybe, you know,

you can't help but think about the Jean Bonnet case. Because it's, you know, the other thing is, as I mentioned this in some of the other stories, like even the Menendez story is that, you know, you're alive during it, but you kind of, you're like, oh yeah, the guys that killed their parents. And then you watch the documentary again and you're like,

oh shit, I don't remember any of this, or I didn't know any of this. And the Jean Benet documentary was a real, really informative and also a big time refresher because I was like, you know, I remember the story. I even when- But you're young and you're like, I don't know. Yeah, you're young and you're like,

I remember that when it started, I was like, oh yeah, so who ended up being arrested for that again? That's how I, and I was like, oh right, they never really got anybody for that. I go back and forth on Jean-Benet at first. I never, I've met the dad at CrimeCon and a nice man. And I was in the green room with him and he said, you know, Susan, I think I'm fighting for that. Like in Delphi, I want the FBI to be, to stay in certain jurisdictions.

And I said, I understand. And at first I wasn't clear about what happened or I didn't have a thought. And then I read a book on it and I thought, ooh,. And at first I wasn't clear about what happened or I didn't have a thought. And then I read a book on it and I thought, ooh, could it have been the son? And that, you know, parents would, cause you're not, I thought about it. I wouldn't stick up for my husband if he did this ever.

But if my daughter accident, would I stick up for the kids? So that's where my head went. But I don't know if we'll ever know. The note was odd. The note's so odd. There's so many odd things. So what do you think of the note? The placement. Well, first of all, her being in the home, you know, the access to that home through that window. The note is beyond peculiar. But also seeing, okay, take the father aside, seeing how I believed how distraught this mother was.

Me too. And it just didn't register to me like that she was just being like, I got you to him on this. I know. It's very peculiar. I don't think we'll ever know. But I think something happened inside of that house and I don't think we'll ever know what it is. I really don't and it's horrible that Patsy passed away and that, you know, he wouldn't you know if there were suspicion on you just kind of go away. He's still at crime con. He's still out

there. He wants it tested. He even came out and said recently, look I think that that I don't know what you're gonna say. What? That, I think, here's what I, I think, okay, you know when the mind is very powerful and I'm not accusing anybody of anything, you know what I mean? But let's just say I did something terrible and I could convince myself that I'm innocent. And I might believe that lie so much. I might go to church every day just to show other people how innocent I am. I might try to absolve myself of the sin by overcompensating. Someone find my daughter, someone find my husband. I love Tom Seger so much. I called my friend. Before I came on here, I said I was going to talk about this. She's CSI and I said, what do you think? Tell me. I won't quote you, she just quote me. And

I said that. Well, there's people, a lot of people doing what she said, which is, you know, when they go, all right, we'll submit for this. And they go, sure, I'll give you my DNA. And then the DNA is a match, you know, that there is DNA, some DNA in this case as well, that isn't a match for the father. Right. And I think it depends on what documentary you watch, because my sister just watched

one that John was leading. Right. And so she said, there's no way. She said, Burke reminds me of Jack. My son's Jackie's age. There's no way he's going to kill. I said, well, what if it was accidental? And then they covered up. And she's like, I just think it's not true. And I'm not saying I feel bad if John, if he is innocent and think of the life in the hell he went through, but It's just bizarre the note that there's too many things. I don't know. It's so bizarre So bizarre, but you're right about that. So Cheryl McCollum is her name. She works for Nancy Grace She's the most amazing person. I love her and she's like season

This is Cheryl. She said if I was looking for Caroline her daughter would I say I? She said if I was looking for Caroline her daughter would I say? I found her or what I said like just that she picks up on things that I don't like and then there she was When you say oh my god, there's my son like but then I think back to like do we do we put ourselves in that situation? And think how would we react? But the truth is the Chris Watts the the Scott Peterson, they don't act right. They don't act right. They don't act right. And the dad, when he carried JonBenet's body,

which I found on TikTok. And invited all the friends over. And invited the friends over. And then I carried JonBenet's body out like this. Now, if you find your dead child, I would cradle. I don't give a fuck what evidence. This is not the way you carry the child you just found murdered on the floor.

I would be to my body looking for life and holding it. I don't even hold my fucking dog, my cat like that. Right, and you put yourself in the shoes. And yes, there have been situations where people have been accused and they didn't do it because we always think, oh, it's the closest too. But in the Delphi case, the grandfather, Mike say grandfather is like in the 60s he's like check me out test me you know that they like what I know they go to family first yeah but with John Bonet I think the fascination was and I remember same thing as you mentioned Tom with with the

Menendez brothers even I knew them one of them Lyle went to high school with my sister Princeton Day School I went to East Brunswick Tennis Club with them and we knew the tennis pro, Merrick. And it's funny because my dad remembers this. They stopped by. It was him and Lyle, the older one. And we weren't home. I was 14. I probably should have been hanging out with a 19-year-old tennis guy, right? But so they stopped by. We weren't there. And Merrick used to say to me, you know, Suzy, you gotta meet this Lyle, he's crazy. He'd pull up to Norwick airport in a Porsche and just leave it and that's where he parked.

And he'd pay for the towing. So when it came out on People Magazine and going to high school in Princeton, Chuck's was right near us. We ate there all the time, the restaurant they bought. Just like you said, you don't think about it, thank God murder wasn't my business at 17. I'm like, oh really, they killed for money and then you move on. But they had, now don't think about it, thank God murder wasn't my business at 17. I'm like, oh really, they killed for money

and then you move on. But they had, now that I think about it, they had access to all the money anyway. You don't kill your parents for an extra couple million. No. Was the shopping spree, I asked Ann Burgess, she testified in the first trial and she said, they had access, that was like a way of saying, you're gone.

You know, and I, and oh, I also interviewed one of the jurors, Hazel Thornton from the first trial. She said to me, Susan, I'm like, tell me what it's like when you go back and you're talking. It's divide, and remember, 90s. Men against women. Men were like, no way would a father abuse her kids. It just doesn't happen.

Boys, and are they gay? That's what the members say. Yes, and the women are like, not to say let them walk, it's a horrific crime, you saw. But they were saying manslaughter, they'd be out by now. So that's the argument. Hazel has said to me, I've been on with her, and she's like, Susan, I'm not saying they should have walked.

No one's saying that. But 35 years is enough. And considering the horrific abuse. And the DA, Gil Garcetti at the time, just lost OJ. So he's like, a lot of this is political. We can't lose this. No abuse is allowed in the second trial. One of the most telling things was that in the documentary

that came out recently about them, that the prosecutor, and prosecutors are always like, fucking lock this piece of shit up. She's a spitfire. She's a real spitfire. And she goes, the day, that's the woman right there. Where is she? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

She goes, the day that that guy died, the father, she goes, the world became a better place. So for the prosecutor to say that, you know, she was like, this guy, she goes, I couldn't find one character witness for the father. Not one. Not even one he paid. None. Think about how much money he had. No one. He must have been just a real fucking horrible guy.

Well, they have 20 family members, even on his side, who say let these guys out. Like, that's why I believe. But when I was watching that, I remember being young and watching that being like, ooh, I don't know about the sweaters. And I don't think as a society, we could wrap our brains around that that would happen. No, cause I remember growing up and thinking like, oh, those two douchebags killed her.

Me too. Cause you don't think about that context for sure. You don't think about it. But you shouldn't kill your mommy and daddy. I mean, lot of people are abused but geez Louise. No absolutely. But they paid their debt to society. I see what you're saying a hundred percent because my mom says that. Why do you have to talk about the mananas all the time? And she goes and they shot their parents. And I said I know mom but I said I don't want to get into details but if you watch the documentary about Menudo,

and nothing against that industry back then, but now that we know what we know, what did he have access to and how evil was it? But I think obviously, when they went to reload and shoot the mom. There's a lot of hatred in there, rage. Rage, rage. And, but I do think that they paid their debt to society.

I truly believe that and all of their family members, if they were even, you know, the father's family members, that's interesting that nobody liked the guy. Not one. She goes, she goes, that's the reason she goes, we couldn't even have a character witness brought to the trial because we couldn't find one. I think people think money equals problem solved and therefore why would anyone with money do that?

It hides a lot of things I think. And I even think with the Ramses, people are like, oh no, that wouldn't happen. Look at the facade, look at the way they look in their house. And I think that, and I do that, I fall into that of like, well, they don't look like they should look, they don't look like Manson. What could possibly be wrong?

But I think secrets are held tight inside of houses and you never know. And that's part of the crime obsession. You're watching like 20. Why would it? It's all the questions. You have unanswered questions, of course. And I don't know if we ever hear a why and go, that but that's like the you know, this is like the it's the the reason why Hitchcock became a phenomena. It's like you go this thing happened and then you you want to piece it together Everyone wants to piece things together. You want an explanation you want the the answer at the end Yeah, and every time a crime occurs It's a new question. Yeah, and you go like what like it's just what I found so the the trial

of Richard Allen and Delphi there are it's a business and so that I saw ABC NBC they're swarming And like who's getting exclusives? And do you know the family? And can you get the, and it's- And you guys all end up competing too because Netflix puts out the doc and then all of a sudden there's a Dateline special and then there's a CNN,

like everybody has to do their story on it. I think you guys who paved the way, it's true. Last night I didn't realize how long you guys have been doing this, but you really did pave the way, it's true. Last night I didn't realize how long you guys have been doing this, but you really did pave the way of different media. And what I love about you guys is people kind of talk about their feelings and talk about who they are. At CNN it's like teleprompter and anchor hair.

It's funny, Mr. Ball and I met with him about his charity. And I said, can I even say this fuck? And he goes, I love that you said fuck he goes you have anchor hair but we love you so maybe it made me laugh I'm like that's because of you guys at CNN I'd be like pulled off but my point is I think that you allow conversations to happen yeah that's why we really love you guys because it's authentic and at CNN I remember producers and I was like Susan I said you're kind of funny.

We like the commercial break, Susan. Oh, oh. I'm like, but I can't do the commercial break, Susan. I'd like, you know, it's like three, two, one. Sure, yeah. Pretend to be normal. Coming up tomorrow with the anchor voice. So I digress, but you guys allow

for those conversations to happen. Well, that's nice. And I forget your question, which. No, that's fine. I wanna ask you this. The gays are going nuts for Luigi Mangione. Oh. And so is the rest of society,

but gays in particular. I think me too. I think me too. If you saw my screenshots, so I was getting my haircut the other day and I was looking at like a haircut I liked and the guy cuts my hair and I was, why is Luigi on your phone? I know it was a screenshot of him, I'm sorry.

Stunning. Handsome young man. Smart. Smart. Young, young. He's very young. The gays really are going crazy. If you go on Twitter, it's like gay Twitter.

And also, there's a lot of debate over whether that penis pic is real. Wait, what? Really? Debate now. You guys are behind on the, what pic? We broke the story. What? The dick pics, we broke it.

You didn't see the dick pic? Please, play it. Mom, it's time to mute this. What? Susan, you gotta see his dog. You didn't see this stuff? No. Well, there was, people were saying

whether or not it's a Photoshop. Oh. Where? What a bummer. Was it the perp walk? Did you guys see the perp walk with the mayor who's in trouble with Diddy and Eddie's on the perp walk? The perp walk was kind of walk with the mayor who's in trouble with Diddy and Eddie? Yes, the perp walk was kind of crazy.

Well, there's that pic no, that's not the one but that is one that's not the that's not the one that's a good one but that's an example of He's closer to my son's age of my age. All right, let's see. I Know what the draw is though. What is the draw? The Robin Hood type of guy. Like my husband's father passed away last week. He was 70 at COPD for a while. He got COVID. They put him in the hospital. Nicest guy. We all went to Disney last year. Anyway, his insurance,

um, they sent him home early and he died. He was, I mean, and my husband was talking to him on the phone watching a Broncos game and my husband said, do you think he got too excited? He couldn't breathe. I'm like, he should have been in the hospital still. Or they said with rehab to build up the lungs and he died. He was mentally fine.

He was only 70. So I, and he said, it's the insurance thing. I said, that's why that guy. It really did like. Open our eyes. We're all talking about it. It sparked, which actually kind of defines how terrorism works, right? Because like a terrorist attack.

That is a good point. Isn't about the act of violence. It's usually done to point your eyes towards a cause, right? And then, and then that's when, that's when they consider it a success, is like if you do the horrific act of violence and they go, why did this happen? We did it because of this. And then if you're discussing this

and you're changing the way you view something, that's like a successful terrorist attack. This was killing one person, but it's. Oh, there it is. That's not it. Yeah. That's not it. That's it.

That's the one that people are. You're saying that's a fake. People are saying that might be a fake. Susan, please look, this is very important. Do you think that's his real piece? Now we're gonna go to a commercial break. Well, the lighting seems a little lost. Oh my God, you guys.

I mean, isn't that crazy? Now you can see. You don't do this at mean, isn't that crazy? Now you can see. You know, do this at CNN? And during the commercials? Now you can see why gay Twitter is going nuts. A producer would be in my ear and go, B-roll, we got B-roll, roll it. You think that's authentic?

Here's our B-roll, check it out. Is that authentic? Oh my gosh, you guys, he's too young for me, even to be a thinker. I'm stuttering. Look at it like you're a pediatrician. Do you think? I think it's real. You think it's real?

I don't know, because now looking at that, we did see that picture last time we discussed it. The shadowing, the light, it seems a little blurry at the head. It's a hog. Do you see the head is a little blurry? Yeah. It's in the foreground and therefore it should be clearer image, correct? Look, as a society, we came together over this guy.

Wait, did that sound right? Okay, we all got together over this guy. But, but, but, but, there's clearly something wrong. The mom was called and she said, is this your son? Like, he is a huge family. Like, if that was my son Jack, oh my God. But if that was like,

I'd be, that's my- Just don't close it, just move it off frame for a moment. I don't want her to lose her frame. I'm Catholic. I would, you know, she said I could see him doing that, so I'm wondering, was this the beginning of schizophrenia? I'm just making that up. Like, was something that- No, there's, first of all- You want to think that he's the normal University of Pennsylvania- I think he was this normal, obviously very bright guy. He's valedictorian, U Penn, and really sharp guy. But he started to retreat from his normal connections. Nobody was in touch with him.

That's not normal behavior, especially for somebody in their early 20s, started to post and write things that were not of the norm, like his going on, I think, some Reddit rants and maybe on Twitter about his feelings about healthcare industry. So you have these kind of behaviors that indicate something is changing, right? Then the actual act of pulling off this assassination. And now you have, you know, they had the very short manifesto written that he was like, this was my work alone and didn't want to, I didn't include anybody else on this,

but now pleading not guilty to it, which is- And matching the lawyer sweater. Isn't that weird? And the husband of that woman is P. Diddy's lawyer. They're a dream team though. I mean if anyone could get him off. I don't see how you can get off on this. I really don't. There's something called, is it jury nullification, which basically means they could go back. Same thing with OJ in my opinion. Oh, that a jury might let him off. Yeah, a jury might be, hey, you know, maybe Nicole did, but that there's a bigger issue was Rodney King. It just happened, and I understand. And they were, I remember, I think I was interning at a Fox affiliate in Phoenix.

I went to Arizona State. So I was, but I remember watching that and they had, he was a superstar, right? But I'm wondering, is this guy a superstar? Kind of, for a certain portion of the population he is. But mentally, did I think O.J. would kill again? No. No. Would, I don't know. I don't know the mental stability of Luigi.

I don't know. Well, Luigi might be like, I mean, it's reasonable to believe that he might have a new agenda or see somebody else that is reasonable to go after. Not that I think he's a career killer. I bet the family knows so much more than we know. Oh, for sure. Because what a heartbreak for them.

This kid, I watched this high school speech, valedictorian, I still don't know how to spell it, much less be it. For him to do that speech, it's like, what happens? But there is schizophrenia with boys, and I think girls, I think more boys at that particular time. That's when he could show signs. Well, the fact that he had this surgery that,

Oh yeah. That, you know, to have spinal surgery. But did he? Someone I saw on a show was saying, how do we know that's his x-ray? Well, yeah, but I think he's- He did though, right? He was injured. He's been, right? He was in there, okay.

He's been, you can find him talking about him going through this pain. I wonder if that pain shifted. Oh, I think that pain can shift something in you for sure. And pills and whatever else he was taking. Can mess with your mind. And you can kind of fall into schizophrenia at an early age because of that. But, you know, he was in real pain, I think,

with his back problems. I remember after September 11th, I think I was in Palm Springs at the time, everyone coming together and of course, I feel like, and not to compare this to that, but in terms of how like, doesn't matter what party, everyone agrees that our healthcare system is a disaster.

Is a disaster. Is a disaster. Whoever you ask. And maybe like if you can afford, it shouldn't be that you could afford it. And I was thinking like, so I was thinking this about my, I should have stepped in,

I wish I had gotten into my private nurse and why can't we stay? I didn't know how bad he was. It was sudden though. I didn't know that they sent him home and why can't we step, I didn't know how bad he was, it was sudden though. I didn't know that they sent him home, and we didn't know. But it shouldn't even be that, if you pay, he's paying health insurance. It doesn't, and it's, people get-

So egregious. And so I think that's the connection to him. And so I think that's the connection to him. That, he's the symbolic- Yes, he's the symbol of it. Face of it, and he happens to be good looking. I know, thank God we chose a handsome fella. Well it would be, I've thought about this,

that if he were not a good looking guy, there would still be people who'd be like, yeah, I get why you did this, and supporting the fact that like, I think Chris rocks at that, he's like, come on. But this changes it. He's like, if this guy looked like someone else, we'd be over it, he's good looking, right?

And smart, and came from that succession family. I'm dying a deep dive there. Like what, or. It's interesting too that the grandmother. What? The grandmother had a $30 million fortune that she left to her children and grandchildren, right? Of which he has won.

And in the will, it notes like if anybody's convicted of a felony, you don't get a piece of this. But I'm like, this is such an interesting thing to think you have to put in there. You know what I mean? Like, I just- But who does that? Yeah, like who goes with no felonies though? That sounds like succession. Like, that there were, she predicted that something like that would happen. I remember my Aunt Jeannie, who didn't die with much, you'd go, I love my Aunt Jeannie and Uncle Peter,

you'd go in their house and it felt like out of Mad Men. And they, I think they grew up in the Depression so they had Campbell's Soup, but they, he, my dad, who's an attorney, was the executor, and he said, Uncle Peter had $200,000, like stuff was hidden mattresses. But they left it to like my mom and certain people, but not the cousin that was divorced. That was the end for them.

That was their line. Yeah, like divorce. But felonies apparently with this family. But I wonder if it does go to trial. He's charged federally. But it's funny, I had questions about terrorism and you answered it. It's like- Well, and it was a big deal because when he was originally

arrested, they were saying that they were gonna charge him with second degree murder because in New York is a more likely conviction and the sentencing guidelines for that, they felt like they could for sure do that and then there was the shift to make it first degree terrorism, which is a much, but there's a much higher burden of proof for that. So there's a lower threshold to convict on second degree. But I think with the fact that, that, well, the video, obviously, they confiscated the backpack, the, you know, they had the gun there.

That's interesting. With Casey Anthony, there was a criticism of overcharge. So she walked. That could be interesting. Could be the, yeah. I heard this morning that P. Diddy is jealous of how much attention he's getting because they're in the same prison. And they have husband and wife lawyers. The wife is his lawyer, the husband's P. Diddy.

So P. Diddy is furious. He's like, why is everybody talking about Luigi, man? That is so ridiculous. But it's- But he's furious. Interesting about murder and what we think. And I looking at, I remember seeing that video and thinking, who was a silencer? This was a hit.

And then the bike. But then is it true that like a female flirting brought him down like the mask? Well, that's how that photo got circulated. The photo was circulated because like, it's not for this photo, we don't have a face. So if you don't have a face, how would people know who to look for?

We didn't have anything. If you're as savvy and you planned it, you don't flirt with the. No, he's out of this, Gordie. You're right. You know what's interesting though, is that I feel more afraid of a P-Diddy than I do this guy.

So do I, I was just gonna say that. We have different lines. With BDK, who was absolutely nuts and would kill again, I do this guy. So do I. I was just going to say that. Yeah. We have different lines. Like with BTK, who was absolutely nuts and would kill again, and he said that out loud in court, would certain people kill again? It's almost like the Menendez. Like when is a murder? And I guess that's why, obviously, they have the legal system in parole.

It's like, would they do it again? How have they acted in prison? And I guess that matters to the new DNA. Well, Diddy was in a deep dark hole. But Diddy's torturing people. And it's torturing people. Diddy, I think he tried to kill Jamie Foxx or somebody. I don't know. The more I go down it,

I don't know what to believe with him. But it's like, again, I ask why. You have everything. What are you doing? I mean, that was colligula. He was just like unchecked resources and power that just kept growing and growing. And then that, for him, it feels like it was just like to get that dopamine drip,

you just had to keep raising the bar until it got into this really sick, dark world. I don't know, I mean, who knows what would have been next for him if you followed the story. It's almost what happens to you, though. I feel like, I'm not saying that everyone's abused who commits murder, but kind of, I think so. It's like, what happened to you?

Oh, yeah. But there are people that are abused that never do this. I'm not saying that that excuses it. But usually when it's like serial killers, people that have patterns of repeated violence, you almost always, always find neglect and abuse almost a hundred percent. I asked Gabby Petito's dad that he's wonderful. Joe Petito. I said to him, I went to his house in Florida. He's from Long Island though, him and his wife. And I, they were setting up lights and it took forever. And I said,

I got to know him. Wait, where'd, oh, oh my gosh, this is embarrassing. So I was doing a Gabby Petito special at CNN and I was doing this and I said, I got to know him. I'm like, wait, where'd, oh, oh my gosh, this is embarrassing. So I was doing a Gabby Petito special at CNN and I was doing this and I was exhausted. And I'm walking to the parking lot and they're like, keep trying to call Joe. Here's his number. I'm like, hello? He answered, Susan?

I said, yeah, it's Susan Hendricks. How you doing? He goes, good. And I started hysterically crying. I'm overtired. I'm like, I'm so sorry. And he's like, don't worry about it. It's gonna be all right. I'm like, this guy's making me feel, I'm over tired. I'm like, I'm so sorry. And he's like, don't worry about it. It's going to be all right.

I'm like, this guy's making me feel I'm mortified. It's a father. And I just said, I'm so sorry. I just, cause the video came out of her, that body cam video of her. And I think that was my peak of like, okay, I need a break here. I'm crying to this dad. But so I got to know him and I said, what do you think happened?

This is off the cat. And he goes, I'm gonna show you something on my phone. And it's not out yet. I'm gonna show you something. I said, all right. He goes, Gabby texts me this that day. And it turned with a huge black eye. And I'm like, oh my.

And he goes, I said, do you think it's his father? Like his upper, I was trying to, I had gotten to know him and he goes, the mom, the mom. And I said, what? And he goes, did you see the note that came out? It said, burn after reading. Like it was, so body cam footage came out where he was seen smacking across the face.

I think she was, so an assessment had been done. That was in Utah. And I interviewed the assessor of this who, uh, who was the police chief who said, based on what he saw and investigated, she was the victim of long-term abuse. The girl was. Yeah. And I think watching that, I think I saw myself from him.

No, from him. Him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But long-term meaning at that age, it could be a couple of years. And I saw a little bit of myself in like who you dated at that age. Like, and so when I saw that in the newsroom,

it was very different than my friend Sammy, who is 25 or pretty, he's like, she seems a little off too. I'm like, Oh God, only certain people see what I see. Because he had kind of conned the cops who were there and said, is everything all right? And he's like, you saw him suck them in. It was something that I'll never forget seeing. And the father said, I can't watch that.

That's not really Gabby. I'll watch part of it, he said, but it gets very depressing. And he said, what keeps their family going? So Gabby's mom and dad were divorced when she was three. They're good friends with the now step parents. They're all good friends. They were at crime con one year and they're funny and nice. They went golfing with my husband. They're nice. They

came together. Now they're trying to help others like people who don't get as much attention as Gabby because I was asked that at crime con like, why because she's blonde and pretty and is that why? And I I said I'm not sure I don't make the decisions at CNN I don't know if it if that comes first then the attention comes or is it we put it out first but they're right everyone should get equal attention and now Joe and his family fight for that but he said watching that her mom said watching that her mom mom's Nicole, that she knew.

She knew right after that. And seeing that is horrible. Can I ask you this? When you've met people that have committed crime, violent crimes, do you feel an energy from them? For instance, in that John Bonet documentary on Netflix, the first police woman that shows up, she says, I locked eyes with the father with John, and I knew, and I knew. Like, did you,

do you feel a cold breeze? I will say that that's a great question. I felt it in Delphi when I first walked into the hearing. This was at the end of July. And when he turned around, and I know it's easy to say because he's an orange, you know, but that look was like, oh my God. And it's not about me. So I'm with the family. They said to me, Susan, come over here. I go, it's inappropriate.

I always said, now I hear my son say, that's inappropriate. And so I said, oh, they're like, no, come here. So I sat with them and he just glared and that's, I never got a feeling like that. But it's not often that I meet the guy, like the alleged perpetrator, whoever, I usually meet the families, the Joe Petitos, not the guy who's accused.

But with John Ramsey, I didn't feel it. But, and I wonder if I would have with BTK, it's interesting because I felt it with him, but he was in and he was looking at me and he was also at the ceiling doing this. BTK was? No, this is Richard Allen, which, and then when the trial came along,

I think he was faking it then, I saw a interview that he did and he acted normal because I was watching him and I go, how did the wife not know he was faking it. Then I saw a interview that he did and he acted normal because I was watching him and I go, how did the wife not know he was nuts? Because the wife sitting over there. Then I see an interview interrogation that he did and I'm like, because he's faking it. He is normal, like normal.

I think that the people who are able to do that, if I met him and he wasn't arrested, I don't think I'd be able to tell. I think they're good at it. Yeah. Well, what about these eyes? Look into these eyes. What do you see? What do you feel?

I feel the coldness. He's too much of an intellect. The coldness, the coldness. The dead eyes, dead and right. You know, my first gig was, I worked for America's Most Wanted. What? Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah. No. I was associate producer on Final Justice. He loves this. And then I switched over to America's Most Wanted. You know, I can't wait to call my husband because he's like, I'm a huge fan.

He's like, it's definitely gonna be the wife who knows all about the murders. He's not even gonna know what you're talking about. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like it, Susan, let me tell you, I don't like it, and I get more terrified, because this could be your neighbor,

this could be the school teacher because this could be your neighbor, this could be the school teacher, this could be anybody. Okay, well I'm nuts. They're called news moms, I'm side girl. I gotta ask you this though because you said you interviewed BTK's daughter. Yeah. Oof.

That story is obviously one of the most famous, horrific stories. But when you realized that this guy had the family and the like, like what was she like? What did you gather from? She was really amazing. She's very, you could tell that her nervous system is shot. And she said that she, her dad would say to her,

be careful, be careful that BTK, you know, lock the doors or do- No. Yes, and so she, I felt her get her mojo back so to speak like at CrimeCon I think it's a good thing it gave her strength. She was a and oh my gosh, so there's a Q&A session at the end And she wrote about it Two kids with her husband, but it caused a divorce and of course She says she has PTSD and all of that

But when the FBI first showed up at her door, They said she thought her grandmother died. They mentioned some Someone she it didn't click until they said your father's BTK and she said my life changed from then on I had no idea none zero and The mom and of course the brother everybody was shocked. I think she said, I have to own it, I can't hide from this. But I hope that people know that I, of course they know you had nothing to do with it. So someone stood up at the end and this gave her strength. I never thought I would hear this.

And I said, okay, you're next. And she said, hi, Carrie, I wasn't gonna come, but I heard you were here. My dad's also a serial killer. No. And I went, only a crime, gone to a place called crime, that you would find that. Somebody else saying that.

Yeah. That's cool. And so they walk up to her and say, hey, you know, and I ask Kevin that, who puts it on with his brother, how do you keep out the crazies? Cause you would think they'd be there. Yeah. And he said, well, it's two things.

If anyone does anything bad, they're out. Escorted out. But I priced them out. It's expensive. These people have like backstage for $1,000, the meet and greet. And he was able to do this upstairs, and it's different cities each time.

It's like they have sweatshirts that say, I'm basically a detective and like a payphone. I'm like, I remember people. And like cutouts of the Dateline people. But then on a different floor, it's with Delphi, like flyers, we want you to help out, but everybody's kind. They really are. They're, they're spending a lot of money to be there. They want to be there. And a good friend of mine,

he used to play for the Falcons, Coy Weier, I worked with him for years at CNN. And he's like, Oh, my gosh, my wife is so jealous. She was at the first crime con in New Orleans. I'm like, really? Why? But because people love 2020, Dateline. And I think, I don't have the exact answer, but I think it's because people feel more in control, maybe.

It comes down to like a mystery, who would do it and why. It's not so much a crime, like a drive-by shooting. The women, it's more like who did it. would do it and why. It's not so much a crime like a drive-by shooting that the women it's more like who did it and why and we never know why. We're always like why? Well and I was watching Gladiator 2 this morning as I was walking in my treadmill and I do think you know that is a primitive yearning is that humans need violence. We need that sublimation. We need to see bloody awful stuff because it is a part of the human experience, unfortunately. I don't know, maybe it's a cruel thing. I can't believe I was able to watch Friday the 13th at age like 12. I tell my mom that and she's like, I didn't know you were watching that. I'm like, we were screaming the VCR tape of like Jason slaughtering people. If my son's like now I overcompensate,

but clearly he knows what's going on because I did order books in the first person to see, oh my gosh, now I have to write this? How am I gonna write it? And tracking this, was it the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. So I ordered these books and he goes, mom, murder. And I said, oh no, that's an actress.

He goes, oh, shoo. I'm like, oh no, that's an actress. He goes. Oh My daughter is older she had she would never do that. He's definitely in tune to different things. He's like You want to see some wild shit? Yeah, you've seen this. This is a Brian I'm like a man. Yeah, of course. This is a Brian Kohi jr. You saw this? No, I thought you were gonna say Koberger Parents have some concerns of some stuff they may have found in your room? Yeah, I believe so. And what would it be? A human head and hands. Like for real human head and hands? Yes. From? That fellow who I'm missing recently.

Which fellow was that? Warren Brown. Warren Brown? When did he go missing? The night of the 27th. The night of the 27th? Okay. And how did you end up with him? I murdered him.

With what? A knife. Why would you have done that? I've always wondered what murder felt like. How do you know this guy? They told me that that was what was in the wallet. What do you mean that was? No, I'm trying.

How did you come across this guy? How did you come across the gentleman? I was driving and I saw a strange shape near the railway. So I parked my car and investigated it and I found it to be a man sleeping. Okay. Where's the knife at? It is in my sunken car. Well, it's in my car. I had that previously sunken. Well, when I killed him, I tried disposing of his body. He hits so much. I just...

I don't know how you guys are into this. Where's the rest of his body at? Where's the rest of the body at? Where's the rest of the body at? What parts? The rest of it, homie. Down the river. Down the river, bro. I'm gonna have you walk over here.

You're gonna sit in the back of my partner's control car for a minute, okay? Not yet. Just sit back there and hang out for me, okay? Why do you just keep the head in hands, I wonder? And the rest is down the road I'm gonna turn on the air for you in a second that way you're not too hot are you hot blooded? That way you're not too hot. I thought everyone knew about Jeffrey Dahmer and then the whole new generation learned about it. Look at that documentary, which is strange.

I didn't hear about that. So hop in here, I know you're tall so it's a little bit of a tight squeeze, but like, that'll get better. Hey, go back to British shows. Oh, we got more, right, Tom? My mom's like, why don't you watch Hallmark Christmas? I'm like, okay. And she called me and said, you know what to, right Tom? My mom's like, when are you going to tell more Christmas? I'm like, okay. Oh, they have to blur it out again. Oh wait, was it one gun?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so. But you see how he was like. Is this a serial killer? No. What state? This. I gotta go throw up.

Excuse me. Colorado. Can I pee real quick? Colorado. Grand Junction, Colorado. Grand Junction. Okay. I'm gonna pee.

You're going to leave right now? I have to pee so bad. I'm so anxious and nervous. I'm sorry. I have to pee. She's I'm so anxious and nervous. I'm sorry, I have to pee. She's such a bummer about this shit. Wait, how old is that kid? He was 19 when he murdered a 69-year-old guy. I know, it is weird. I think when Nancy Grace came into HLN CNN,

and the Casey Anthony, it's all about ratings and numbers. So that's when it kind of shifted. That's when I kind of got into the all crime genre. So it is my job. It's weird. I know. Do you think there's also something about just how many, you know, when you say like, it'd be great if everybody could get the same coverage. Yeah. Just how many horrific crimes occur, particularly in this country like this, violent crimes. And what I realized with Gabby Petito's dad told me that in the national parks, that there are dead bodies that are there

and no one talks about it. Cause I did say to him, look, I'm gonna be at crime con with you and that's gonna be a question. I even asked my bosses at CNN, I'm like, how do you think I should answer? Because they're like, well, don't bring that up. I'm like, I'm not gonna bring it up. They're gonna bring it up. Why do we cover blonde pretty girls or like the Casey Anthony's?

I hope this isn't airing because I'm scared, but I'm kidding. I don't know what the answer is. I think it's about what catches on. I know it sounds callous. Part of it though is the fact that when you show a blonde 20 year old who's gone missing or whatever, people's attention also just sparks for that.

It's not just the fact that you showed her, it's that people go, oh, what? And to me, I guess if I were to answer, it'd be like, oh, we saw Gabby because she has videos now and kids have younger, have things. With Scott Peterson's wife, it was just that one still shot. Do you remember with Lacey Peterson? Now kids have videos and you're able to kind of get a peek into their lives. Did you watch that doc?

Which one? The Scott Peterson? Yeah. Yeah. I forgot. I forgot so much about that case. With his ponytail. But I'm like, someone said to me at CNN and he kind of joke you get used to what you do Yeah, not joke about anyone's dying, but you get used to what you do and if you don't laugh you lose your mind Yeah, but someone's like how about that aging and Scott Peterson? What's going on with the skincare meaning? He looks good. I'm like You know, you kind of sleep like a baby. Yeah. Yeah the sister being like still that sister-in-law I'm sorry. She's in love with she's in love with me, but the Like a baby. Yeah, the sister being like still. That sister-in-law. I'm sorry, she's in love with him.

She's in love with him. But the crazy, one of the things that stands out so much is his behavior in the initial interrogation. Like the Christmas Eve. I hate guys who do this who don't cry. They have this raspy voice, they're like, we're looking for Lizzy. Like they have like this raspy,

like I don't know where she is, trying to sound sad. Practice it, Tom. It's a raspy like fried voice with no tears. Christina's gone. Is that good? And you whisper, yeah, perfect. Christina's gone. I hope we find her.

Yeah, and that's it, no tears. He was like, he's like, yeah, I got back. I went fishing and then I saw the dog was out. And then, I don't know, yeah, I hope we find her. Yeah, fishing on Christmas day. And Nancy Grace, I'm fishing on Christmas day. I love Nancy Grace. But didn't he like order a pizza

before he called her and missing or something too? He was so chill. Oh, he got, no, remember the cops arrested him. He had an orange beard. He took classes at Arizona State, my alum. But he, and they're like, are you hungry? And they went through a drive through and he got like in and out.

They're like, are you hungry? Good choice. Yeah, I'm starving. Yeah. I just killed my wife. With no qualms. But I mean, he did the worst performance, as far as putting on a performance,

he was just like, yeah, and the dog was out, so I knew something was wrong. So yeah, she's just, I don't know where she is. But I hope you find her. It's like, this is your pregnant wife on Christmas Eve, and you're like, I hope you find her. I don't know what to tell you, man. How about his mistress?

I really liked her. She was really nice. Coming forward and like, he's like, hey, I really liked her. She was really nice. Coming forward and like, he's like, hey, I'm in Paris. I see the Eiffel Tower. There's the Eiffel Tower. And she knows at that point that, you know, what's going on.

So she has to be like, oh, cool. Yeah. Do you see now, this is my job. So I would listen to you guys and was on the algorithm and was like, all I wanted to do was laugh. Like because it's like one extra, and I am, I will say I'm a little nuts. Like I'm so aware of my surroundings

that I was at the gym and I hit this, the elevator and I noticed like a guy was supposed to get off on the button. He clicked, but he didn't. He got off on where I did. And I'm like, and I take a right and I'm like, I'm nuts. I'm not. I remember one time, I'll never forget this. Stranger danger, baby.

I was a exchange. I was a foreign exchange student. I was in Madrid and the bus that would go to my stop, I was, it was taking it in the evening. and I got up from the back of the bus and a woman in the front of the bus Was getting off and she turned around and saw me. Oh and when I got off with her She ran like she ran and like and I like like screaming ran so I chased her What I did because I was like, this is so fun to see somebody this scared You know it was fun. Let the record show that he was joking about if I go missing guys She's my favorite clip of you guys is bill burr being like no you're you're the who's the bigger psycho. Yeah total Please I didn't know you worked for America's most wanted. Yeah, he loves it

Remember the milk cartons was anyone ever found from that? Jesus Christ, I hope so. I think so, but that show caught a lot of people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. America's Most Wanted caught so many people. Oh, with, what's his name? John Walsh. Yes! That when Fox went to cancel the show

after it had been on for years, there was a backlash that was so big that they brought it back. Good. Because they were showing, they were like, look, this show's already caught like 800 people. Yeah. It was really- It's a public service.

They should do it- It was like public service, yeah. Always. I don't know if you guys are aware of this subculture. So outside of trials, I covered this, but with like Karen Reed, there's these people on YouTube who want clicks, and there was Turtle Boy, who's like the conspiracy theorist. And like, she's innocent.

She was accused of killing her Boston cop husband. But you know, so there are people who now go to these trials. So the Brian Coburger trials coming up at the end of August. And that- The Idaho. Yeah.

And I got to know Stacey. Okay, who's this psycho, sorry. Ethan Chapin is, you know, the college kids who were murdered in the- This goofball. Off campus home, the three girls and the boy. I got to know Ethan Chapin's mom and I said to her, would you be on a panel with me? I'm interviewing like Yardley Love, who was killed in a lacrosse.

She played lacrosse at University of Virginia. And so I was doing a panel on kind of how do you recover? What is the strength? And there's a lot of gag orders. And I said, we won't talk about the specifics. And she said, I will. And she's so nice. She called me like two weeks before she goes, you didn't tell me the name of it. I go, I know. I'm sorry. CrimeCon. I left that to the end. Oh, yeah. I was like, I know. And she goes, I'll do it. And then I really love her.

She's like, I don't think I'm going to the trial. Nothing can bring my son back. She's like, he was at his girlfriend's house. And the one thing I will say, I know this sounds very depressing and we keep bringing up different murders. The families that I've met and the strength that I got from them,

and that's the focus of my book, it's unprecedented. If you think you're going through something, it really is. It pales in comparison to this. And you guys do that too. I feel like your genre and what you guys do when you guys were one of the first, it's like men don't talk about things back then that you guys talk about. Like, oh, like with Theo Vaughn, maybe I'm depressed maybe I'm depressed or maybe... Maybe you have emotions of it, yeah. Yeah. For my husband who watched it, that wasn't talked about. They watched like football games. You guys are doing something wonderful. And I think...

You're doing God's work here is what you're saying. I kind of thought through it. You are, but I thought through it. Like, that's what that does. It's like, they can get through it, then I can get through it. I think hurt people are drawn... I think you're right. ...to crime con. They really are. Don't you think there's always... It's good for them to meet other people too

that have been victims of this. Some things, even not maybe of a murder, but just something. Something violent. There's always something in the eyes though. Oh, I know, this guy's out of his fucking mind. The eyes are really a window. Wouldn't talk to that kid.

Wouldn't talk to him. And I remember talking to Paul Holes about it. He said, remember he saw snow or there's something snow. Like that is, I don't know if it's a sign of schizophrenia, obviously, but something was up, clearly. And remember the dad driving him across the country? But in that picture, like if he's a teacher at your college, you're not thinking mass murderer.

He wants Jake Gyllenhaal to play him. Is that what he said? I don't know. If this tells youllenhaal to play him. If this tells you anything, don't trust anyone. I mean, you could turn paranoid. So that's why I have to balance it out. And my mom's like, watch Hallmark Christmas movies. With the same plot.

So it is a little. But it is, again, the strength from the families. It is a little. Oh, yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal, I could see that. I think also I have an aversion to this type of stuff because I grew up in Los Angeles during the Night Stalker as a child. Oh yes, so did my college roommate. And it was so scary.

We were all terrified this guy was gonna climb in our windows at night. And it's very, there he is, childhood fear. I think that may have saved my life. And here's why, but as ditzy as ditzy can be, my parents said, you can go to any college you want, my dad, and my mom's like, I can't believe you said that. They took me to ASU. I live in New Jersey.

My mom cried the whole flight home. My sister went to Boston college. She said, you should go to Boston with your sister. Mom, I'm old. Now I look at pictures. I'm like, um, so my friend, Now I look at pictures, I'm like. So my friend Terry had a Jeep, and she ran out of gas all the time, two ditses.

And the guy pulls up like muffler dragging, and said, hop in girls, and has a badge. And I go, let's go. She goes, no. And I'm shocked she said no, because I was like, why? Like, and she's like, there's, growing up there was a night stalker worried about, you never know who's who. And I'm like, let's get in it's just like, growing up, there was a night stalker worried about you,

never know who's who. And I'm like, let's get in, he has a badge. Thank God. Thank God. No way. Well, I lived in Milwaukee during Dahmer and I got just a taste for chocolate. I was really like, this is what I wanna be doing.

It was exciting. I think you got the Dahmer glasses. Oh man. But the night stalker, I mean, we talk about people not looking like, he looks like a killer. That is the cool thing. How did they finally get him?

I don't even know that. The best, so the best part of that story is that it was the citizens of Los Angeles, they beat this guy in the streets. How'd they find him? They found him, somebody's. It's like looking in a window. No, he was all over the news in LA.

You couldn't not hear about the night stalker. And his picture was up everywhere. And somebody like saw him coming out of a Greyhound bus station I think in the neighborhood there. He was trying to steal a car. And they fucking spotted him. And these group of dudes beat him down. Think about before social media everyone's like I'm sick of this guy. And LA was and it was the greatest thing ever that he got street justice. Where did you go up in LA? The San Fernando Valley. So it's on five. Did you, last time I turned on Anderson Cooper, I'm like, it's burning.

It's devastating. Horrible. It is devastating. It's horrible. Devastating. This is the worst one ever, I don't think I've in my lifetime. And Getty Museum, I lived in LA a couple of years after college. Manhattan Beach first.

And then my dad calls me and he's like, do you have a job? I'm like, no, I'm just moving with my friends. I'm going out on the beach. But I loved living there. And I turn it on. I'm like, what the hell? It's so sad. It's really devastating. Very sad.

Not cool. Oh my god. Yeah, nice soccer case. There's a great doc about that, too. The night stalker? Yeah, it's great. Oh, maybe Jake Gyllenhaal played him, right? I think I made it.

Or I'm thinking of, what was it where they would leave signs that the- Zodiac? Yeah, did they ever catch that? No, Zodiac was, well, the theory is that the one guy who they presumed was him and that it was him because there's no other, there's nobody else that fits the profile like he did, he died, that guy. Who was the Long Island one who used to shoot people

in their cars like they were kissing? Oh, you're talking about that. I remember this. I know this one too. Son of Sam you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the new one. This is the Long Island guy.

Yeah. A friend of mine, Cheryl. This guy's a fucking architect. The CSI guy, woman that I'm friends with, she said, Susan, I was at his house. No. For the Nancy Grace Show, like after the fact. I'm sorry, but he's an architect in that house. It stands out, like Billy Baldwin went to high school

with the guy, like, cause he lived in upstate, and Seth like, I don't know, I mean, do you ever know? Everyone knows kind of someone in high school where you're like, I could see that. So there's the house. And I guess he had a room in the basement, like silence of the lambs. No. Yeah, like a soundproof.

That's quite a mug he's got on him though too. That is a, that is a face man. And it is sad going back to like the Gaviotitos, if these women, because they didn't have, some of them didn't have families who were going to be the dad that's standing in front of the microphone, you gotta wait with it for longer.

It makes it more sick. He was killing prostitutes. Yeah. So it's like people would just be gone. It's standing in front of the microphone. You gotta wait with it for longer. It makes it more sick. He was killing prostitutes. Yeah. So it's like people would just be gone. It's so sick. Disposable people. But this one woman who was on Nancy Grace was a prostitute and met him and said,

no, got the vibe and was like, uh-uh. Met her in a restaurant and he was furious but like the overpowering. And you know, I just miss the online dating, thank God. but who do you, you never know who's who, right? Well, we just, that stock Mary Kill, what was that? Stalker lover dancer. Yeah, lover, stalker killer, yeah. Immediately when he talks about going on a date

with the first girl and she's like, we had a party, we went to a bar and she's like flipping the bird and like, ah. And I'm like, that chick's so fucking crazy. Did you see that one? No. That one is really good. Yo, you gotta see it.

I think that one kept me up. I would put the end of the fire one above that. That one is incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's incredible. What's the premise of it? End of the fire? Yeah.

So this woman had given up her, this woman right here, had given up her daughter for adoption. And she decides, as an older woman now, to look up her adult daughter who she gave up for adoption. Well, she finds that the daughter she gave up for adoption had gone missing years prior. And that's the catalyst for this whole thing. And she ends up really being like we were discussing,

she ends up being the driving force for getting answers to like, what do you mean my daughter just went missing? And it's, I don't wanna give it away because it's such a good story. It's such a good story that, I mean, it really is, it's unbelievable. Christina, did you watch Leanne?

This one? Yeah. No. No, but she was hearing stuff. She, what happens is she's- Do you watch TV in different rooms? No, I fall asleep to him and I hear murder in my sleep. She'll just hear, she'll be like, and then assaulted and put a cigarette out on her eyes.

And she's like, thank you, I'm trying to sleep now. Or if it's having to do with children I can't do it I can't do it I can't and that when I said your weekends on see I would say okay this rundown it's a Saturday it's literally I said no dead kids like this is horrific and I know that we shouldn't like I'm sorry but I can say that like with kids I can't watch any kids stories I can't. Yeah, I know. I don't wanna watch any kid stories. I don't. I'm telling you, you just did the adoption. No, this is different.

John Bonet is where I drew the line, and I got obsessed with John Bonet and Maddie McCann, and I was like, I can't do this anymore. What do you guys think happened to Maddie? What do you think happened? I think what you said to the extent of some maybe neglect, because they were, so if people don't know, it was a group of tourists, English tourists, and they were what in Portugal.

And they decide to not get babysitters. Instead, they let all their children sleep alone. Right. And said they have tapas. How many feet away, around a bush, down the hotel, and they figure we can check on these kids every so often, they should be fine. Well, one of the kids disappears.

I think, oh, I think they drugged her because they're doctors, they probably drug the children to go to sleep and I think it was a death. Because here's what gets me is, I think it was an accidental death and then they got rid of the body because the blood sniffing dogs, remember that? There's the dogs that are like experts, corpse sniffing.

The dogs alarmed on that. I do, I always think it's the dogs that are like experts that stopped corpse sniffing they the dogs alarmed on that I do I always think it's the parents I mean do you think Casey did the same thing Anthony Anthony allegedly people guess that it's like chloroform to go out and party yeah hello that's what they do because that's what those parents did I think they drugged the kids to go to sleep so that they could have fun at the top of place down the street and it And it's funny, my mom would watch me during this and my daughter was that age at the time. I think of Emory too much and I'll call her about Delphi and I'll say, Mom, this is what I saw in court. She'll start crying.

And she's like, it's just so sad. And not that I'm not sad, but I'm like, realize how hardened because I have to like talk about it on the air and so I'm almost able to compartmentalize But who knows long-term damage like you're you're able to talk about it because it's my job So yeah, but it is horribly sad and the one day so we're we get lottery tickets for pool reporters So I'm in the front row and that day that I got the pool. I took myself out of the lottery after that. I said to Nancy's producer, I'm like, get me out. Because it's front row and it was the crime scene photo day. And it was zooming in and I went, like, oh no. And I had to, I got in trouble too, you laugh. So I had to take notes

and I knew that it was going out to a pool because there's no cameras. And my notes weren't that good. And we're in a lunch break. And the Carroll County Comet newspaper lady who was like, Susan, I need your notes. I said, they're not done. I'm just writing, I'm Googling the blood term. It was DNA day and I'm so stressed. And then I sent it at four o'clock.

I had to take pictures so everyone could get it. Well, Nancy's producer calls me. I've been friends with them at CNN. He goes, check him out, you got fired. I go, what do you mean? He goes, you got let go. You didn't hand your notes in at noon. I'm like, I'm fired for the pool. They're like, yeah.

I'm like, good. I'd rather wait in line with the cool people anyway. It was just so funny. I'm like, they're like, we won't be needing your services for the notes. But I'm like, I don't want to sit in the front row and be worried about the notes. And that's the fine line.

Because I got close to the family, I was like, you in the front row and be worried about the notes. And that's the fine line. Because I got close to the family, I was like, you know what? Because I did go to the hearing and Mike the grandfather's like, who you with now? I'm like myself. I wanted to be there.

I didn't want, so it's kinda like, I don't know. I think I'm two in it almost with this case. Like that I don't, it's a little nuts. Well, for people who to do a deep dive, because you did, get down the hill, the descent, my descent into the double murder in Delphi, which I'm excited to read. I am.

Maybe you can read out loud to me as I fall asleep tonight. I can read to the kids. Well it's funny, I asked the families because it mattered to me. I didn't want them to not want me to do this. So I said to them a couple of times, I said, if you don't want me to do it, I won't do it.

And Becky said, no, it's okay. And she read it. And this was a very big compliment to me. Tara Libby's aunt said, can you send me four for Christmas? Because it's not, at this point, we didn't know much, but it's really about them going through beginning to end and their perspective. So it wasn't like, you know,

not that I'm on my high horse saying I'm better, because people are really fascinated by the actual killer. You know, we can name them. We rarely can name the victims. So I just wanted it to be a different perspective. I'm not saying I'm amazing by doing it. It's just what I knew, what I could write about. And we don't get to hear those stories. I don't think, you know, I've ever heard of a book like

that where you hear from their perspective and how absolutely traumatizing that has to be. And to be able to keep going on. And that's what it is. It's the connection that at Crime Crime, like if they can get through that, how do they get through that? Then I can get through anything I'm going through. That's so true. That's a good point. So true. So that's what I gained. I've learned so much from them

and Kelsey, Libby's sister, wrote the foreword, I asked her, and I'm like, if she can get through this. She was only 18 at the time. She dropped them off at the bridge. She blamed herself, she didn't know what to do. I went to her baby shower. She has a little girl, she's pregnant again. So yes, I am too close. But I love them. I really like her baby shower. She has a little girl, she's pregnant again. So yes, I am too close.

But I love that. I really like them as people. And I think, I felt for the first time I was in the inside looking out, instead the outside looking in and getting the sound bite. And I know it might be nuts, but it's my perspective. Tell you what, I think you're nuts. I think you're nuts, but I'm gonna read this.

All right. Susan, thank you so much for coming. Thank you so much. Thank you guys for having me. It was so fun chatting with you. Hopefully you can come back and we can do another dive into crime. Would love to.

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